Post-election video chat: Where does GOP go from here, and does Obama have a mandate?
Here’s the third installment of the Google+ Hangouts that Jay Bookman, Aaron Gould Sheinin and I have been doing. Spoiler alert: You’ll see more disagreement between Jay and me than in the first two…
Please feel free to keep talking on the thread downstairs as well.
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Michael H. Smith
November 7th, 2012
8:33 pm
Overall, of course.
Hanging your hat on one win is not living in the now, man. That’s living far from reality. For what it is worth I’m one for one for the ,”now”, as you call it: I won on charter schools lost on obumer wining.
Real Athens
November 7th, 2012
8:33 pm
“Why do blacks continuously vote for the party that supports the continuation of Social Security and Medicare, when the vast majority of them do not live long enough to use those programs?”
Tiberius? “vast majority”?
Your sheet and pointy hat are showing again.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2012/0619/Racial-gap-in-life-expectancy-reaches-new-low-in-US
Liz
November 7th, 2012
8:37 pm
President Obama has a huge a mandate from women in general, and especially unmarried women (who want their reproductive rights protected under the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling), Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, Jews, GLT, and young voters per stats published today.
Women put women in the Senate in numbers NEVER seen before.
Yesterday was a great day for women.
I suspect Romney’s lack of respect for those 47% he referred to on that infamous tape, showed up in great numbers, in support of a President who respects them.
Chris Salzmann
November 7th, 2012
8:38 pm
Time to tuck in my little girl. G’night all. POS, I worry about you with all those thoughts you have about Nambla. Get your head out of your ass and learn a few facts of life yourself. If you don’t educate youngsters about the consequences of unprotected sex, teen pregnancies are the result. Simple cause and effect. Oops, that’s science and judging from your narrow minded beliefs, that’s a dirty word.
You are too funny
November 7th, 2012
8:38 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
October 25th, 2012
4:57 pm
11 days, 11 hours and 1 minute until this long, stupid, disgusting national nightmare is ova.
buh bye obozo.
yoyo32
November 7th, 2012
8:42 pm
think he forgot to put in them 4 more years :p
Michael H. Smith
November 7th, 2012
8:46 pm
Chris Salzmann
November 7th, 2012
8:32 pm
When Glass-Segal was struck down removing the separation of investment banking with traditional banking, the seeds of the financial collapse were firmly planted.
It went far beyond ending Glass-Segal. PBS Frontline did a fantastic job of detailing exactly what took place and who was involved. Even more information has been posted on Wikipedia. Anyone who believes this was a partisan event, is in the kindest of terms, IGNORANT OF THE FACTS!
For what this is worth: Putting Glass-Segal back on the books isn’t the answer but ending or separating the government backed participation in the housing and mortgage industry. Not only because it not constitutional but because it is too darn risky and too far easy for systemic corruption to take root.
Government debt is the only instruments the Federal Government should back with the taxpayers name and money.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 7th, 2012
8:53 pm
Regarding Fox viewers:
A whole lot of viewers who are quite surprised to find that they are once again outnumbered by Americans who actually like better access to health care and don’t all keep Carrie Mathison-style timelines of the Benghazi cables on their living room walls. Now these disappointed souls wonder: Why isn’t the world the way we thought it was Tuesday morning? Just guess where they will turn for the answer.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/how_fox_news_failed_the_republican_party_in_the_2012_election.html
Michael H. Smith
November 7th, 2012
9:05 pm
Oh brucie, you’ve finally convinced the Reagan Wall you’ve been talking to…. that it should not be taken down!
Goodnight.
td
November 7th, 2012
9:15 pm
Yes, the Republicans had a setback yesterday with the re election of BHO, but it is only a small setback in the grand scheme of things and may be a good thing is the long run.
Republicans held the HOR’s and are being told even as we speak that giving into the Obama agenda without getting massive conservative concessions will result in a primary challenge.
30 Governors are now Republican
29 state legislatures are now totally controlled by Republicans and in an additional 6 states at least one chamber is controlled by a Republican.
In the above 29 states the Republicans were able to gerrymander districts in such a way that the Republicans should be able to easily maintain control of the US HOR’s for the next 10 years.
In looking at the 2014 Senate races the Dems will have to defend seats in 8 states that were won by Romney and the Republicans do not have to defend any seats won by Obama.
Obama is the one that wants to leave a legacy and can not get anything accomplished without the HOR’s and complete compromise.
The only real negative thing is that we must hope that the SCOTUS conservative Judges can hang on for four more years.
Real Athens
November 7th, 2012
9:15 pm
Welcome the “young republicans” and future GOP leaders Kyle waxes poetically about. The South continues it’s long crawl backwards.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idRvF0sKjQHkUisXIezd_jvXubug?docId=3e7426e3cb5b470584c9bea51817240f
Real Athens
November 7th, 2012
9:18 pm
“Republicans were able to gerrymander districts in such a way that the Republicans should be able to easily maintain control of the US HOR’s for the next 10 years.”
You just don’t get it, do you?
ATLien
November 7th, 2012
9:20 pm
turned on Hannity, b/c I just wanted to check the craziness. And boy it is crazy. How do you right wingers believe this tripe? Accusing Obama of running a dirty campaign? Mitt didn’t? Axelrod should be “embarrassed”. Seriously? These dudes ran one of the greatest campaigns ever. Gosh as long as this type of stuff dominates the airwaves and you ignorant conservatives believe it, you guys are in the wilderness forever.
@@
November 7th, 2012
9:31 pm
“For purposes of forging a bipartisan agreement that begins to solve the problem, we’re willing to accept new revenue, under the right conditions.”–John Boehner
The neighbor fella acts like that’s news. Where has he been during the campaign?
Eliminating subsidies and tax credits…nothing new there.
As a conservative, I’m okay with Obama’s re-election. Those who voted for him are gonna be hit with the economic realities of their mistake and it ain’t gonna be pretty. My husband and I are prepared to weather the storm. Unfortunately many aren’t
I look forward to the “Told ‘ya!” moments.
The best learned lessons are those that hit hard.
td
November 7th, 2012
9:36 pm
Real Athens
November 7th, 2012
9:18 pm
“Republicans were able to gerrymander districts in such a way that the Republicans should be able to easily maintain control of the US HOR’s for the next 10 years.”
You just don’t get it, do you?
Oh I get it. This is an ongoing battle for the heart and soul of the nation. The Progressives have been in constant battle mode since the early 1900’s. Conservatives have always thought that politics only matter a little and business is way more important. I have been fellow conservatives for years that the battle must be continual and constant and maybe they will start to listen.
ATLien
November 7th, 2012
9:38 pm
@truthbe — Very nice, that type of thinking doesn’t help your cause at all and please don’t forget to thank the white voters as well
@@ –you have no idea what you’re talking about. I bet you couldn’t explain one Obama economic policy that adversely affects the average american. Please give your own analysis not a Fox news soundbite. I dare you.
@@
November 7th, 2012
9:43 pm
Atlien:
I dare you.
Sorry…I’m not qualified in drug rehab. You’ll have to go through election withdrawals without me.
schnirt
td
November 7th, 2012
9:47 pm
TruthBe
November 7th, 2012
9:44 pm
I understand the anger but this is ridiculous and not a very constructive way to vent because you will be banned as soon as Kyle reads your post.
Archibald Leach
November 7th, 2012
9:52 pm
Kyle, I still dont understand how you supported the charter school amendment being a small government conservative. How is an unelected state board that approves charter schools against the will of a local school board a good thing?
gm
November 7th, 2012
9:55 pm
Scum Hannity blaming the media for the lost, high school drop out Rush Limbaugh saying the people that voting for Obama are welfare dependents, when will old white males conservatives especially from the south learn, kids 18-27 are not listening to you nut jobs.
Romney won the confederate vote, wow that is really something to be proud of, you will never win as long as scum like Hannity, Rush representing you
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
November 7th, 2012
10:06 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
ATLien
November 7th, 2012
10:10 pm
@@ — just as I figured blindly led by the ignorance spouted on fox news and talk radio. No self understanding of any issues whatsoever.
@@
November 7th, 2012
10:23 pm
@@ — just as I figured blindly led by the ignorance spouted on fox news and talk radio.
Greta, Cavuto, JER on a regular basis. NEVER talk radio.
There’s more to FOX than meets your eye. I refuse to watch Shepard Smith, not because he’s a liberal….he’s just too silly for my taste….et up with the verbal cutesies, that one. It’s impossible to take him seriously.
Dusty
November 7th, 2012
10:25 pm
Did anyone actually watch the video today? Did Bookman and Kyle throw spitballs at each other?
aper airplanes?
They should. This blog sounds like grade school stuff. You did! Did not! Did so! You dumb! Wahhh!
Maybe by tomorrow the newness of success will wear off and people will realize that we are just as bad off as we were before. Sixteen trillion dollar debt still hangs over us while growing.. Nobody knows the requirements of ObamaCare or what. Stock market low today. Taxes to get higher soon. Groceries keep inchng up. Gasoline comes down but travel isn’t fun with foreclosure hitting homes. Good jobs are NOT plentiful and unemployment still looms. China is getting skiddish.
Yeah, let’s celebrate. Prince Charming is going to be King MIdas and everything is going to turn into gold. This is Fairy land where all dreams come true and work is a faux pas .while we dance in the moonlight.
Enjoy my friends. Prince Charming has promised.
getalife
November 7th, 2012
10:31 pm
Two thumpins equals a mandate.
@@
November 7th, 2012
10:36 pm
Two thumpins equals a mandate.
And 2000…2004…2010 equalled what, Getalife?
You are too funny
November 7th, 2012
10:37 pm
“And 2000…2004…2010 equalled what, Getalife?”
12 yrs, 8yrs and 2 yrs ago?
MarkV
November 7th, 2012
11:19 pm
The sky is falling!!!!!!!
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 8th, 2012
6:11 am
On topic……and the bitter truth about the GOP, which means Wingfeild will probably censor this.(it seems as if Bookman doesn’t censor the unpleasent truth as frequently).
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I know that the term Neo-con is overused but it is a self-named term. You republicans should really educate yourself on the origins and history of Neo-Conservatism. A quick history of the start of this bankrupt philosophy——
“The “new conservatives” who now run the Republican Party and much of the Democratic Party as well, are a peculiar bunch. The leading lights of “neoconservatism” during the Reagan years “were Trotskyites who had replaced their hereditary agenda of global socialist revolution with one of a global revolution of ‘democratic capitalism.’ Unashamedly embracing Machiavellian tactics against opponents and against the American people, they gloried in ‘big government’ and fervently planned to project American armed force around the world, the national debt be damned.” None of this “could be considered a “conservative” agenda . . .”, they write.
McClanahan and Wilson don’t mention it, but the intellectual guru of most of the high profile neoconservatives was the late Leo Strauss, a University of Chicago professor. Strauss was quite the crackpot. He was an atheist who “scoffed at the idea of God,” wrote Daniel Flynn in his book, Intellectual Morons, but who nevertheless preached about the value of using religion to dupe the masses into accepting the neocons’ interventionist foreign policy agenda. The “evangelical Christians” in America would be Exhibit A of the success of this Machiavellian strategy.
A neo-con is just another type of progressive.
And the GOP is full of em.
It doesn’t bode well for your party or for America either.
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Where does the GOP go from here?
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Until they get rid of every last traitor who signed the NDAA…..the GOP can all go to hades.(or New York city).
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The only future for America is Paulism.
cc
November 8th, 2012
7:32 am
True fiscal conservatism in America is dead as of November 6, 2012. The death of capitalism in America will soon follow. The majority of voters who voted for the “free stuff” will soon see the “free stuff” become unavailable. The results of these changes will prove cataclysmic. The survival of America as a nation is no longer in question. As Obama continues to weaken us economically, militarily and diplomatically, our enemies prepare themselves. The 60’s chant, “Better Red than dead” suddenly takes on a new relevance.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 8th, 2012
7:38 am
Thomas Heyward, how many bills has Ron Paul authored actually passed into law?
HDB
November 8th, 2012
7:43 am
cc
November 7th, 2012
5:40 pm
Kamchak:
I was wrong.
I placed my faith in an America that no longer exists…a whiter, racial/demographically biased America, NOT in Americans with a will to persevere through self-reliance with a “can do” attitude. Fortunately, changing demographics has placed those Americans in the minority of voters!
There…fixed your statement!!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 8th, 2012
7:44 am
What is amusing is Steve Douchy yesterday saying the results of this election should be seen by Obama as a wake up call and he should learn his lesson and moderate his goals for the next 4 years.
I guess he doesn’t understand who won and who lost. Boy, I sure am glad the people on the other 99% of news media shows aren’t this delusional.
dcb
November 8th, 2012
7:45 am
Mandate – schmandate. 52% may be in political terms a mandate. But the way I look at it – barely over half our citizens out there feel “my way is the best way” mantra of the president. Including and especially virtually half the states (including Georgia) that went red and have state and local governments definitely not agreeing with the top-down government system. 52% these days in federal elections is far from a mandate – I’d suggest moving the bar up to at least 60% plus for that term – especially with the liberal media so intimately involved in getting their candidates’ philosophical positions in front of an emotional public (rich, womens’ rights, gay marriage, illegal immigrants, photo id, etc) – including those like the AJC and CNN who claim to be objective in their reporting.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 8th, 2012
7:45 am
Hey cons, I thought ya’ll were taking yer country back?
fail
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 8th, 2012
7:46 am
dcb, it’s a mandate. Obama won by a larger margin than Shrub in 2004. If I recall correctly, that was considered a mandate.
Obama has a mandate.
JDW
November 8th, 2012
7:59 am
Mandate-The concept of a government having a legitimate mandate to govern via the fair winning of a democratic election is a central idea of democracy. New governments who attempt to introduce policies that they did not make public during an election campaign are said to not have a legitimate mandate to implement such policies.
If Obama suddenly decided to slash taxes 20%, increase defense spending and turn Medicare into a voucher he has no mandate….
On the other hand if he asks the rich to pay more, continues to match defense expenditures to needs and agressively rolls out Obamacare…yes he does.
bu2
November 8th, 2012
8:00 am
@C.S.
The US prospered in the 50s and early 60s because the rest of the industrialized world was destroyed in WWII. JFK lowered taxes to try to stimulate things in the early 60s. And the 70s were an era of tough times. Jimmy brought us 21% mortgage rates, double digit inflation and 8% unemployment. It took Reagan to lower tax rates and get the economy rolling again.
Michael H. Smith ~ toc, toc, toc... we approach the Marxist Socialist cliff
November 8th, 2012
8:02 am
Socialism is the word for a failed immoral socioeconomic system derived from the evil mind of Karl Marx because he could not think of any thing worst to offer the world of the mentally slothful who are too lazy and scared to work for what they need, in lieu of Capitalism that demands everyone earn what they can to meet their needs based on their own abilities.
No more obumer phone, foo stamps, EBT cards, section 8 houses or welfare redistribution as obumer wants it:
From each according to their ability to each according to their need
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 8th, 2012
8:19 am
Michael H Smith, I think you need to worry about the padded cell instead of the fiscal cliff.
Just sayin’.
tiredofIT
November 8th, 2012
8:24 am
Obama Wins 8 of 10 Wealthiest Counties in US
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 8th, 2012
8:25 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 8th, 2012
7:38 am
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Only a collectivist or Hardcore progressive would measure a man’s worth by how many laws he passed.
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It’s never to late for enlightenment.
Liberty should not be feared and the big government who you expect to protect you…won’t.
No matter how many laws are passed.
tiredofIT
November 8th, 2012
8:34 am
Savage Nation, WND, Blaze,Beibart … Here’s your sign
MC
November 8th, 2012
8:36 am
Where do they go? Down the road to oblivion if they keep alienating Latinos and women. Leave a woman’s reproductive system out of the conversation. It’s her business and hers alone. Get on board with comprehensive immigration reform. Most importantly purge the right wing from the party. Their neanderthal social views don’t fly in the 21st century. Get rid of them Whatever it takes and bring back the moderates and independents that abhor their vile social agenda. If republicans don’t do this they may never see the White House again. And with the power of the Latino vote 100% evident on Tuesday it won’t be long before the republicans lose a multitude of seats in the senate. Republicans better learn it not wise to keep poking the bear in the eye with a stick. Eventually he will devour your. He started eating this past Tuesday.
Michael H. Smith ~ toc, toc, toc... we approach the Marxist Socialist cliff
November 8th, 2012
8:37 am
You shouldn’t think brucie wilcox, with only two half live oxygen depraved brain cells in your COPD head to keep your lungs working, you should worry about that padded box old buddy.
clem
November 8th, 2012
8:54 am
to td, cc, going right etc….you folks were wrong. the converse is true. learn or become extinct.
mike
November 8th, 2012
9:07 am
Judging from TruthBe’s comments on the preceeding page, its obvious that Kyle’s not around. I suspect that those comments will be removed and TruthBe’s days of blogging here are numbered.
mike
November 8th, 2012
9:09 am
I enjoyed reading them, though. It shows the raw emotion the “lower” right has invested in this whole thing. Throw your toys all around the room, hold your breath till you turn blue. We’re all enjoying the show!
clem
November 8th, 2012
9:18 am
mike, read those truthbe rants, whoa…..would love to me that fellow in a dark ally someday.
cc
November 8th, 2012
9:22 am
HDB@7:43 am:
“There…fixed your statement!!”
It wasn’t broken and needed no repair.
Michael H. Smith@8:02 am:
“From each according to their ability to each according to their need”
The Obama doctrine is slightly different: From each according to their monetary success, to each according to their “wants”.