Post-election video chat: Where does GOP go from here, and does Obama have a mandate?

Here’s the third installment of the Google+ Hangouts that Jay Bookman, Aaron Gould Sheinin and I have been doing. Spoiler alert: You’ll see more disagreement between Jay and me than in the first two…

Please feel free to keep talking on the thread downstairs as well.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Darwin

November 7th, 2012
11:08 am

Only losers console themselves with the mandate debate. Congratulations President Obama!

Rightwing Troll

November 7th, 2012
11:08 am

Jay is wrong. Huntsman was a great candidate.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
11:09 am

Brett Baier to Karl Rove, on the air:

Ultimately, it was left to Fox’s Bret Baier to make a feeble excuse for the chastened Rove. “Maybe we got you a slow computer,” he offered weakly.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
11:09 am

Four more years
More Conservative tears

AmericaIsFirst

November 7th, 2012
11:10 am

If this isn’t a mandate I don’t know what one looks like. He got the EC and Popular vote. The people have spoken. IF all of the Republicans in the house’s term had been up for re-election I’m sure that the Dems would have gotten more traction, probably got the majority back.

These Republicans are stubborn, but it takes more than blind determination to make a difference. IF they would just start acting like representatives of the people and start LISTENING instead of dictating to their constitutients they might deserve another term. If they keep fighting progress they are doomed to obsolence.

Kyle Wingfield

November 7th, 2012
11:12 am

AmericaIsFirst: Every House member is up for election every two years.

Kyle Wingfield

November 7th, 2012
11:13 am

Rightwing Troll expresses a truism: The further to the left Republicans are, the more liberals like them.

It’s the same for center-right Democrats and conservatives, of course.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 7th, 2012
11:18 am

The GOP needs to jettison the religious right. Period. End of sentence.

If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one.

But leave the rest of those who do alone.

If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t marry a gay person.

But leave the rest of those who do alone.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 7th, 2012
11:20 am

“Jay is wrong. Huntsman was a great candidate.”

I actually agree with Jay for once. It wasn’t Romney. No candidate could have turned the tide of personality Obama has and his payoffs to union teachers and auto workers with taxpayer funds.

And Huntsman would have been infinitely worse. The guy is certified Verbal Valium.

jconservative

November 7th, 2012
11:21 am

Statement this AM from Marco Rubio:

“”In the next Congress, I am committed to working on upward mobility policies that will ensure people who work hard and play by the rules can rise above the circumstances of their birth and leave their children better off,…. The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities who are trying to make it, and Republicans need to work harder than ever to communicate our beliefs to them.”

Will they?

The numbers I have seen show Latinos were 19% of voters and Obama carried 69% of their vote.
Add that to Obama’s margin of 68% among unmarried women, 93% among blacks, 74% among Asians and 70% among Jews. And Obama took 50% among Catholics, of whom Latinos are a significant number. Romney took protestants 56% to 43%.

It is easy to sound the death knoll for the Republican Party. It is not dead. But it does need “fixing”, as we southerners are fond of saying.

I heard a number this AM – each month 50,000 Latinos turn 18 and register to vote.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 7th, 2012
11:21 am

A 2 percent win in the raw vote does not a mandate make.

Hillbilly D

November 7th, 2012
11:22 am

In my opinion, the Republicans have lost the “Reagan Democrats”. If they want to win, they have to figure out how to get them back.

HDB

November 7th, 2012
11:22 am

Republicans need a systemic change; they can no longer fail to embrace the changing demographic of the nation, persist in racial fear-mongering, voter suppression/intimidation, persist in denigrating an ever-growing segment of this nation, create policies that marginalize a growing minority population….

Republicans can’t continue to be viewed as just the “white peoples’ party”; the ol’ Confederacy is slowly dying…..

AmericaIsFirst

November 7th, 2012
11:27 am

Kyle, Thanks for the correction. Me Bad…

JB

November 7th, 2012
11:27 am

Mandate? 56 million of 115 million voted against the President. About 2 1/2 mil people difference. I would think he would get together and try to work with the GOP, and yes it’s a two way street.He will get his precious tax increase, and full bore cluster F____ Obamacare, but HALF the voters in this country DIDN’T vote for him.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 7th, 2012
11:27 am

HDB, I have a question for you. I’ll have to see than answer later as I have to go out the rest of the day, but please try to answer it seriously and with some sense of thought.

Why do blacks continuously vote for the party that supports the continuation of Social Security and Medicare, when the vast majority of them do not live long enough to use those programs?

Kyle Wingfield

November 7th, 2012
11:28 am

HDB @ 11:22: It would probably behoove the GOP to counter the backlash to voter ID laws — which I think are necessary — by taking proactive steps to help minorities get IDs. I mean taking the process to them, where they live and/or work. Make it clear the laws are about reducing fraud, not voting. And they haven’t done enough, in terms of actions, to make that clear.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
11:30 am

The further to the left Republicans are, the more liberals like them.

That’s true, if you define “left” as “not crazy nutbag $#!^.”

Conservatives/Republicans have been using a fairly small base of crazies for support—-people who believe climate change is a conspiracy, gay marriage will end civilization, Democrats are allied with Satan, blah, blah, blah.

In the long term this bites you on the @$$ because people eventually notice climatologists are not evil scientists and their gay neighbors don’t mow the lawn in leather chaps. Opposition to things like science and choice in who you marry aren’t conservative in any way. They’re not connected to any political philosophy, and in some cases are in opposition to what conservatism espouses. They’re just hot-button issues that appeal to emotion. Conservatism has no center or clear thought process.

That’s a big problem.

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
11:31 am

“Make it clear the laws are about reducing fraud, not voting. And they haven’t done enough, in terms of actions, to make that clear”
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There is a reason for that Kyle. In order to do one, the other has to be true.

zeke

November 7th, 2012
11:32 am

Only in his and Jay’s mind!

Tall

November 7th, 2012
11:33 am

…”Republicans need a systemic change; they can no longer fail to embrace the changing demographic of the nation, persist in racial fear-mongering, voter suppression/intimidation, persist in denigrating an ever-growing segment of this nation, create policies that marginalize a growing minority population….

Can you elaborate on all this allegory? This is why Obama won? There is no proof to this nonsense,but if you express it often enough….enough folks and the media will believe it.

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
11:35 am

“Why do blacks continuously vote for the party that supports the continuation of Social Security and Medicare, when the vast majority of them do not live long enough to use those programs?”
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And conversely, why do the majority of lower middle class whites vote for the party that supports policies that increase the shift of wealth to the top 1% when an even vaster majority of THEM will never be part of that demograhpic?

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
11:36 am

“demographic”

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
11:37 am

Why do blacks continuously vote for the party that supports the continuation of Social Security and Medicare, when the vast majority of them do not live long enough to use those programs?

You really don’t know? Most people make plans on living into their 70’s and 80’s. Most people don’t say, “well, my race usually dies before then so I guess I’ll vote against this.”

the vast majority of them do not live long enough to use those programs

data source or just pulling more stuff out yer…

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
11:38 am

“A 2 percent win in the raw vote does not a mandate make.”
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but losing the popular vote and having to win an election via lawsuit does?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
11:42 am

The life expectancy for black men in 2008 was 70.8 years, up from 68.8 years in 2003 but still well below the 76.2 years for white men (who had an average life span of 75.3 years in 2003), Harper and his colleagues found. Life expectancy for black women rose from 75.7 to 77.5 years, while the life span for white women grew from 80.3 years to 81.2 years.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/05/science/la-sci-life-expectancy-gap-20120606

Maybe Tib just doesn’t know what age you need to be to get SS? Nah, he just pulled something outta his rear that fit his intended narrative.

Bruno

November 7th, 2012
11:42 am

Although Romney may not have been the most dynamic candidate, I’m still trying to figure out what motivated the majority of Americans to vote for Obama. What did he do to deserve a second term??

It looks like 4 more years of mediocrity.

Bruno

November 7th, 2012
11:43 am

TBS–If you poke your head in, let me know what your charity of choice is, and I’ll make good on our wager.

HDB

November 7th, 2012
11:50 am

Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 7th, 2012
11:27 am

To give you the best answer I can:

Prior to 1964, the preponderance of African Americans were not considered a part of the American populace; it took passage of teh Civil Rights Act for African Americans to get full constitutional protections. Because LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act and the changes that the GOP underwent to be viewed by African Americans as the “white peoples’ party, African Americans shifted their loyalties to the Democratic Party. Since 1964, the Democrats have done much to maintain minority constitutional protections; part of those protections is the participation of Social Security and Medicare. The life expectancy of minorites has been historically lower…but it is growng; in some cases, survivor benefits of Social Security go to support the surviving spouse….so in essence, a part of an estate does go to the heirs.

Kyle Wingfield
November 7th, 2012
11:28 am

Kyle, the problem is that voter FRAUD is virtually non-existent! The primary reason that voter fraud became an issue in 2008 is the VOLUME of the minority vote that came out for the President. Republicans saw that, knew that they couldn’t win the battle for ideas nor the demographics….so they did all within their purvue to suppress the minorty vote!! That was made quite evident in PA, OH, FL!! When someone beats you by playing within the rules, somehow, the rules always get changed!! There were ELDERLY people who were disenfranchised because of voter-ID; there were EX-felons who were disenfranchised — particularly in FL…because their voting rights were not reinstated after they served their sentences! Republicans made it known that they were going to suppress the minority vote by any means necessary….but it STILL failed!!

If Republicans want to ensure the elimination of these abominations, then agree to a NATIONAL STANDARD for voting…don’t leave it to the states…..or the reincarnation of Jose Cuervo (Jim Crow in Spanish…) will occur……

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right

November 7th, 2012
11:50 am

Finn, I’m trying to have an adult conversation with HDB. Please stay out of this one.

10:10 am

November 7th, 2012
11:52 am

Obama is the first re-elected president since World War II not to improve his margin of victory and to get fewer Electoral College votes in re-election.

Alex Jones

November 7th, 2012
11:56 am

Obama does not have a mandate, but as President Bush once stated, “elections have consequences”.

That is a two way street.

I SEE RED PEOPLE

November 7th, 2012
11:58 am

Republicans told us their stirring victories in 2010 indicated a mandate.

I think the term is malappropriated. If 2010 was a GOP mandate, what we witnessed last night was a wholescale repudiation of Republican principles.

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
11:58 am

Bruno

Listed it last night. Wasn’t sure if you were going to come on or not.

Hope all is well with PB and yourself.

http://www.lupus.org/webmodules/webarticlesnet/templates/georgia_home.aspx

JDW

November 7th, 2012
11:58 am

@Finn…”data source or just pulling more stuff out yer”

Nope standard Tiberius…just making $&!T up…here is a real data source that contridicts that nonsense…

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/births_deaths_marriages_divorces/life_expectancy.html

HDB

November 7th, 2012
11:58 am

Tall

November 7th, 2012
11:33 am

“Can you elaborate on all this allegory? This is why Obama won? There is no proof to this nonsense…..”

Actually, there IS proof!!
Romney stated that he needed to INCREASE the white vote and DECREASE the mnority vote in order for him to win!! Romney stated that he had to win at least 63% of the white vote…..he lost that demographoc by 3%. When he attached himself to the birthers (Donald Trump, for one), that exacerbated the racial animus from the GOP!!

In 1968, Kevin Phillips, the architect of Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” , publically stated that “blacks have no place in the GOP”; would you expect support for a party that feels that way about you???

If you note Republican policies, historically, they ignore the minority consiituencies; they fail to campaign in the inner cities, ask for minority votes….they fail to embrace Affirmative Action (which was a Republican policy), health care reform (another Republican policy), eduaction support to the public schools….these policies greatly affect the economic progressivity of ethnic minorities!!

JDW

November 7th, 2012
12:00 pm

Of course last week Tiberius was telling us all how Romney had closed the gender gap…yep closed right down to about 19%

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
12:01 pm

Tiberius @ 11:18

Neal Boortz was saying the same thing this morning.

HDB

November 7th, 2012
12:02 pm

Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right

November 7th, 2012
11:50 am

Tibbi…the life expectancy statistics that Finn has brought forth ARE correct…..what Social Security does in that case acts as income insurance for spouses if the other dies!!

On a personal note, Social Security assisted me in caring for my mother until her transition last year; that income assisted in paying for her care due to her acquisition of Alzheimers’ Syndrome….that was additional insurance for her……..

4williec

November 7th, 2012
12:03 pm

A mandate is what Reagan had…when you have almost as many people that voted against you as for you, it’s hardly a mandate.

I SEE RED PEOPLE

November 7th, 2012
12:03 pm

Alienating the religious right would be akin to alienating the southern vote. It’s too intertwined to even consider. You broke it, you bought it.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
12:03 pm

LOL, the Democrats pounded the conservatives last night and the Conservatives are on here asking us to explain why that happened.

If you still don’t know, go back and read the postings of liberals over the past 10 years. But you folks don’t really want to know.

Interested Observer

November 7th, 2012
12:05 pm

Re: “Make it clear the laws are about reducing fraud, not voting.”

I wish that were true, but some Republicans have admitted, out loud, that the purpose of these voter ID measures are to suppress the vote to improve their chances for winning elections.

Suppressing the vote is also why Republicans across the country, especially Florida and Ohio, have sought to reduce early voting, confuse voters about what IDs are required, make it more difficult for provisional ballots to be counted, purge eligible voters from the rolls, send “poll watchers” to distribute false information about required ID, make it significantly more difficult to register in the first place, and much more.

The more people that vote, the worse Republicans do. So, their strategy is to reduce the number of people who can vote. Republicans have clearly decided that that is a lot easier than persuading people to vote for them.

Beyond The Middle of the Road

November 7th, 2012
12:11 pm

Please… in 2001 Bush claimed to have a mandate and political capital and he lost the popular vote. A win is a win is a win. I guess Bill Graham can now add Mormon back to his list of cults.

jimbob

November 7th, 2012
12:11 pm

Mandate, heck I’d like to have a womandate. That’s what the Democrats have. I would hope what elected officials have is a date with reality. Please bring a huge bottle of common sense with you. It starts by locking away that crazy senator from Kentucky.

HDB

November 7th, 2012
12:12 pm

…from the Washington Post…I think this is a good explanation:

Republican leaders awoke Wednesday to witness their grim future. Without a makeover, a party that skews toward older, white and male voters faces political peril in an increasingly diverse and complex America.

President Obama’s decisive victory over Mitt Romney served as a clinic in 21st-century politics, reflecting expanded power for black and Hispanic voters, dominance among women, a larger share of young voters and even a rise in support among Asians.

Nationally, the steady and inexorable decline of the white share of the electorate continued, dropping to 72 percent, down from 74 percent in 2008 and 77 percent in 2004.

The Hispanic share grew again, encompassing one in 10 voters nationally and reaching higher levels in states such as Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico, which have become comfortable turf for Democrats in presidential politics.

In Colorado, a state many Republicans thought they could win, Obama won three-quarters of Hispanics, up from 61 percent in 2008. Obama increased his Hispanic performance along similar lines in Florida as well, a result that included Democratic dominance in the heavily Puerto Rican swing precincts around Orlando and the election of a Cuban American Democrat to Congress, symbolizing the end of the GOP’s decades-long lock on that community.

“We’re going the way of the dinosaurs, and quick,” said David Johnson, a top GOP strategist in Florida. “The meteor’s already hit, and we’re just trying to wonder what the blast zone will look like.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/republicans-face-murky-political-future-in-increasingly-diverse-us/2012/11/07/3b71e4f2-28e7-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html?hpid=z3

4williec

November 7th, 2012
12:12 pm

Rush Limbaugh might have said it best…. (paraphrasing) when the choice is between work and santa clause, who votes against santa clause?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
12:13 pm

Can ya’ll find someone besides Mr Magic underwear for 2016?

ABR = Anybody but Romney

They BOTH suck

November 7th, 2012
12:15 pm

4williec

Since the vast majority of those who voted for Obama do work, what is your point?

Rush also said Romney was going win

just saying

jimbob

November 7th, 2012
12:16 pm

Ah, come on I SEE RED PEOPLE, we kissed off the Soutern vote with the Civil Rights Bill, you know LBJ’s legislation that completed what Lincoln set out to do