Initial post-election thoughts

A few quick thoughts before I go record another Google+ Hangout with Aaron and Jay:

  • The Dow dropped about 200 points at today’s opening after a decent rally yesterday. Looks like I wasn’t the only one with a gut feeling about Mitt Romney winning the election.
  • Can we all just agree on no more nominees from Massachusetts? Romney, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis … the last person to reside in Massachusetts at the time he won the presidency was John F. Kennedy. (On second thought, maybe I should be encouraging the Democrats to nominate Elizabeth Warren in 2016 …)
  • With almost all the votes counted, Romney is a little less than 3 million votes off John McCain’s 2008 total — while President Obama is nearly 10 million votes off his own total from four years ago. Those numbers will shrink somewhat, but it’s safe to say that turnout was down and most of those who stayed home were previously Obama voters. These most likely were the folks who still told pollsters they were undecided right up until the election. Romney may have lost the election in part because he couldn’t persuade them to show up and vote for him.

I’ll have more after we get this video done.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
10:10 am

Initial post-election thoughts

My gut is sloshy this morning.

mike

November 7th, 2012
10:15 am

I sincerely hope Kyle’s “gut feeling” is feeling better this a.m. and that he is recovering from his “wishful thinking” virus. Those usually run their course in around 24 hours or less.

Now I know that those of you on the right suspect that I am going to gloat over President Barack Obama’s overwhelming win and mandate. You are wrong. No, I think it’s painfully obvious to even the most dense Republican/Tea Party nutcase: you are out of step with the majority of the American people.

What you really want is a fascist government without democracy. I’m not going to revisit the numerous gaffs and insults and lies and half-truths that alienated the voters. There’s no need to. This should be a gigantic wake-up call to the Republican party. If you allow your party to be shoved to the far right by nut-jobs, prepare to fade into history and obscurity.

MarkV

November 7th, 2012
10:17 am

“The Dow dropped about 200 points at today’s opening after a decent rally yesterday. Looks like I wasn’t the only one with a gut feeling about Mitt Romney winning the election.”

And that had nothing to do with the situation in Europe, had it, Kyle?

Rightwing Troll

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

Landslide indeed….

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
10:21 am

MANDATE!!!!!!!!!!!

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
10:22 am

I love the smell on MANDATE in the morning.

Aquagirl

November 7th, 2012
10:24 am

another Google+ Hangout with Aaron and Jay

Awesome, I’m looking forward to some SANE conservative commentary.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
10:27 am

Kyle, I think your gut is telling you prime rib would be good for dinner tonight.

Centrist

November 7th, 2012
10:28 am

The Charter School huge landslide vote sure exposed that purposely bogus AJC poll for all of its intentional bias. The AJC’s “No” endorsement was totally ignored by at least Cobb, Cherokee, Fulton, Gwinnett, and Dekalb Counties (all I looked at).

Credibility has to be earned, and is more easily lost. The shrinking AJC has done it to themselves.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

November 7th, 2012
10:28 am

Now that Obama has a clear mandate the Republican party must take a good hard look at itself.

Just appealing to southern white racist is not going to win anymore. The demographics have changed.

………………………….

Also how about those polls. They were really skewed towards the Democrat werent they.

LOL.

Once again the poll that missed it the most was Rasmussen.

I look forward to the weeks and months ahead of excuse making by the GOP.

On a sour note the Charter school amendment passed.

This means in Georgia tax pay dollars will fund private school educations and Christianity will be slowly worked into the curriculum.

Sad day as Georgia takes yet another step back.

MarkV

November 7th, 2012
10:30 am

Remember the predictions?

Romney 308 electoral votes, 52.8% popular vote
Obama 230 electoral votes, 46.3% popular vote
Fringe candidates 0 electoral, 0.9% popular vote

.Romney wins by a larger margin than predicted.

I’m now calling it for Romney in a landslide victory. You’ve heard it here first.

Good show Ragnar, Rafe , Del

mike

November 7th, 2012
10:30 am

Colorado legalizes marijuana.

zinc

November 7th, 2012
10:30 am

And the sun came up again this morning. Life moves on.

Curious if you will commit on the following in the coming days: 1). Accuracy of polls despite the cries from the right;. 2) Issue of overconfidence on the right that they had this in the bag; 3) How the Republican party lost an easy election (just like the D’s in 2004); 4). Where are new Republican voters going to come from; 5) How Republicans can stop excluding people and listening to the will of the people to develop their platform (see also ME, WA, MN, MD, CO votes last night).

JF McNamara

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

The Dow is down because of Europe. Bad news on Germany. The market is up 70% under Obama. I don’t think they are mad he won.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

November 7th, 2012
10:31 am

The shrinking AJC has done it to themselves.

I wouldn’t say the AJC is shrinking. Its called the internet.

Every bodies circulation is down. But they have a good web presence and seem to be doing just fine.

Peadawg

November 7th, 2012
10:34 am

“Initial post-election thoughts”

Republicans can only blame themselves. The rape comments, gay marriage, etc…leave it alone. It’s time to love like God preaches, not discriminate. The farther right y’all go the worse it will get. Stop thumpin’ that Bible.

Will

November 7th, 2012
10:34 am

Do you think all those republicans who hooted about Nate Silver’s prediction model will now concede that the man knows what he is talking about?

Me neither.

While we are at it, have you ever seen anything like the show Karl Rove put on last night on the republican television network (and the republican network let him bully them into attacking THEIR OWN experts in voting analysis)?

Talk about a poor loser!

This is the same man that boldly predicted a 300+ electoral victory for Governor Romney!!

JB

November 7th, 2012
10:35 am

To win, the GOP is going to have to go young and brown. Rubio and Jindal will have to be the next ticket, but If the next 4 years add up to as bad as the last 4, the GOP might run a pasty old white guy and win…LOL

SBinF

November 7th, 2012
10:35 am

Post election thoughts:

Nate Silver’s quantitative modeling methods > the average GOP pundits gut feeling.

Don't Forget - Obama is a two term president.

November 7th, 2012
10:35 am

Kyle – The Dow dropped about 200 points at today’s opening after a decent rally yesterday. Looks like I wasn’t the only one with a gut feeling about Mitt Romney winning the election.

Yeah, keep deluding yourself. Despite all the polls leaning toward Obama, Wall Street went on a “gut feeling”.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/2012/11/07/eurozone-recession-worse-rebound-slower/wTtzCcBZ6h1gbGmONLdBCM/story.html

The first step to recovery Kyle is to admit you have a problem.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
10:36 am

How’s that voter suppression working out for you, Cons?

SBinF

November 7th, 2012
10:36 am

“To win, the GOP is going to have to go young and brown. Rubio and Jindal will have to be the next ticket, but If the next 4 years add up to as bad as the last 4, the GOP might run a pasty old white guy and win…LOL”

Oh yes, because putting up a minority candidate is all the GOP needs to pull minority support.

You are brilliant, how are you not already a FOX news pundit?

JB

November 7th, 2012
10:37 am

And as for me personally, I’m going dark on news and politics. I’m going to focus on my health, my family, my faith and open up some new avenues of interest.

Bye bye Tea Party

November 7th, 2012
10:37 am

“Romney may have lost the election in part because he couldn’t persuade them to show up and vote for him”. That’s funny. Actually Romney did loose and it was because more people voted for the other guy, because more people believe the other guy’s policies are better for our future. You can make all the excuses you want but the simple fact remains that cutting taxes on the highest earning white christian Americans and gutting the clean air and clean water acts, eliminating all forms of publiclically funded education, and protecting fetusus (but not babies). at the expense of every other possible policy position or issue is simply not a winning strategy. But keep trying.

Hillbilly D

November 7th, 2012
10:38 am

You’ve got the same President and you’ve got basically the same Congress. It’s not likely that the next 4 years will be any different than the last 4.

Producer

November 7th, 2012
10:39 am

Bill O’Reilly said it succinctly last night on Fox News: “The people like their stuff.” Both parties have been buying votes since FDR began social security. This will not end. Ever. Period. Our country will shortly bankrupt itself and literally die. As much of a Republican as I am, it isn’t Obama’s fault. He just did what he needed to do to get elected. People will continue to raid the wallets of the productive to get benefits they do not deserve and have not earned. Stick a fork in us. We’re done.

Cutty

November 7th, 2012
10:39 am

Colorado legalized marijuana and Mitt got smoked!!

I just knew Kyle would go negative instead of looking at the demographic problems in your party. You were wrong w Newt and again wrong w Mitt. Maybe you need more facts to bolster your many wrong opinions.

ObamaLovesChina

November 7th, 2012
10:40 am

Well, at least China is happy with the result. Now I’ve always wanted to learn Chinese

JB

November 7th, 2012
10:42 am

bye bye tea…..He lost by 21/2 mil votes out of 115 mil. I wouldn’t call it Obama mania.

saywhat?

November 7th, 2012
10:42 am

I predict that after four more years, Obama will be toast and no longer president.

Odis

November 7th, 2012
10:43 am

Take that MITTCHES!

commoncents

November 7th, 2012
10:43 am

I think we all lost… Nothing was accomplished at the federal level over the past 18 months due to campaigning, and when it was all said and done, nothing changed. Now we can go back to the status quo of having a do-nothing elected body who cannot think or rationally compromise. More “my way or the highway” debates…

On a side note, I’m ready to become one of the 47%… I would have loved to show up to vote in my pajamas and not worry about how the impending tax increases will affect my governement cheese

gasux

November 7th, 2012
10:43 am

It shows that we are tired of extremism that cost you the election.
It’s the radical, extremist, neo-fascist ideology.
It’s the fact-free, religious zealotry, belief that those of one religion have the right, the duty, to force their religious beliefs on all others.
It’s the bold-faced -isms. Racism, anti-Semitism.
It’s the xenophobia.
It’s the fearful, woman-hating, misogyny.
It’s the corporate feudalism and the venal, corrupt drive to enrich the few at the expense of the many. It’s the corporate kleptocracy.
Republicans represent the very worst of fears and radical extremism.
Republicans represent the very worst of tyrannical, authoritarian, totalitarian desires of one group controlling others.
It’s your rejection of facts, science, and education that is your undoing.

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carlosgvv

November 7th, 2012
10:44 am

Big Business has two choices:

1. They can continue to sit on their huge cash reserves, hold hiring down, and cripple the economy in other ways, all to force the country to vote for their candidates of choice.

2. They can resume hiring and get back to business as usual and do less meddling in politics.

(you didn’t really think Obama has been not hiring and creating jobs, did you?)

Conservative Perry

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

Does anyone else wonder why there were 10 million less votes for Obama than in 2008 (okay, they weren’t as excited about him anymore which I understand) but there were also 3 million less votes for Romney than for McCain (with this revitalized, excited conservative support) not to mention the defeat Obama movement? This year we had less people voting for the president than in 2004. Our country has grown since 2008. Something does not seem right here. Think about it.

iggy

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

SBinF

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

He lost by 21/2 mil votes out of 115 mil. I wouldn’t call it Obama mania.
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Yeah, now you are reduced to crying about the margin. Let it go. Mitt Rmoney would give his left testicle to have those numbers flipped. I wonder then if you would be saying such things about him?

lefty_316

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

Kyle it’s time to quit looking for silver linings and take a good hard look at the GOP.

The party is no longer the party of fiscal conservatism. Tom Coburn and others may chirp about such, pretend it is, but the track record over the past 12 years speaks for itself. The party needs to regain that mantle. A good starting point would be taking the lead on a debt compromise.

The GOP is no longer considered the party that champions individual liberties. A good starting point for reclaiming that mantle would be a campaign to do away with the invasive provisions of the Patriot Act.

The party is anti-science, anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-Planned Parenthood. It’s change-or-die time; those positions are all complete losers. Evangelicals say “we won’t compromise our values.” Hey that’s fine, it’s time for them to go start their own party. Americans neither want nor need a major political party to dictate morality. The evangelicals didn’t turn out for McCain in 2008 and apparently didn’t turn out for Romney either. They’re useless.

A dad

November 7th, 2012
10:45 am

I wonder how those crowing that Obama has “a clear mandate” would react if Romney would have won last night. By their definition, had Romney won he too would have had “a clear mandate.” The actual truth is this country is essentially split in half, so the proper course would be a little bit BO and a little bit MR, but alas, methinks all we’re in for these next 4 years is more of the same. Neither party has a clear majority, which means that neither party’s agenda is supported by a majority of the citizens so unless there is true compromise on both sides, this country is screwed! Will that ever happen? Judging by the derisive comments from both sides on this and Bookie’s blogs, I for one seriously doubt it. One thing you can say as a fact is that rather than being the great uniter as promised, BO has turned out to be the great divider. 50+ years and I’ve never seen such a sharp division in this country. Sad folks, Truly sad. BTW, what is everyone planning to do when the recession returns in about 2 years and unemployment climbs higher and higher? Just saying….

JB

November 7th, 2012
10:46 am

Can’t wait to hear him the next two years as unemployment rises EVERY month and he tells us his plan is working to restore America. Big tax increase and Obamacare coming….and so are pink slips. Those evil rich white guys are still in charge of jobs.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
10:46 am

Conservative Perry, it’s called voter suppression and it works.

Democrats don’t have to cheat to win.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

November 7th, 2012
10:46 am

While we are at it, have you ever seen anything like the show Karl Rove put on last night on the republican television network

Even more telling is the fact that the very same Karl Rove runs the largest Pro Romney super pac this last election cycle.

And yet he sits right there on Fox News.

His reaction to Ohio being called is priceless.

commoncents

November 7th, 2012
10:47 am

gasux
generalize much?

We could come up with a whole list defining the extreme liberals like you just did for the right. Which liberal news group gave you those talking points?

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

November 7th, 2012
10:49 am

Best news of all

Cheesy Grits will now just go away.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 7th, 2012
10:49 am

BTW, what is everyone planning to do when the recession returns in about 2 years and unemployment climbs higher and higher?

And the cons are back to looking a their crystal ball which just fails them over and over and over again.

iggy

November 7th, 2012
10:50 am

“recession returns in about 2 years and unemployment climbs higher and higher?”

I dont think it will take that long. Try early 2013.

iggy

November 7th, 2012
10:50 am

iggy

November 7th, 2012
10:55 am

“JB

November 7th, 2012
10:46 am

Agreed. Employers are already replacing fulltime workers with part-time workers in order to avoid HCare and they have the right to do so. Many employees are gonna be thrown into the ObamaCare “pit of hell” for which they voted.

Its gonna get ugly…reeeaal ugly.

Get ready folks…next round of pink slips are being printed…

gasux

November 7th, 2012
11:00 am

@Commonsense:No liberal newsgroup put words in my mouth. I’ve received a good education in Minnesota and the USAF. I was taught to think for myself. How about you?