Presidential prediction: The candidate who defies history and wins will be . . .
History and the numbers say Barack Obama will be re-elected tomorrow. History and the intangibles suggest Mitt Romney will unseat him. Which will prevail?
Let’s look at each.
The numbers have moved solidly in Obama’s favor. He caught Romney in the Real Clear Politics average of national opinion polls on Halloween after trailing for the better part of the previous three weeks. More importantly, he holds leads — usually narrow leads, but leads nonetheless — in enough swing states to push him past the threshold of 270 electoral votes (EVs).
There’s been much parsing of the polls this year, much of it focused on the partisan-ID breakdowns that various pollsters were using. A poll of “likely voters” inherently tells us something about who the pollster believes will actually bother to vote, and that’s as much art as it is science. Many pollsters have been forecasting an electorate similar to that of 2008, a wave election that saw Obama rack up 365 EVs and the Democrats claim a huge majority in the House and, eventually if briefly, a filibuster-proof margin in the Senate.
It strikes me as very unlikely that the electorate will tip so heavily in favor of self-identifying Democrats again. That said, the pollsters would have to be very wrong for Romney to win enough states to capture the presidency. If you look at the RCP average for the swing states, he has a lead in states with a total of 235 EVs. For him to surpass 270, the polls would have to have been wrong by more than 2.8 percentage points on average — bumping his total to 285 EVs.
One of the last states that would flip to him in that scenario would be Ohio. That’s ominous because no Republican has ever won the presidency without winning Ohio.
On the other hand, Obama arguably has an even tougher historical precedent to overcome. Only two presidents have won re-election with a smaller number of EVs. The first was Woodrow Wilson in 1916, who had captured an excessive number of states in 1912 because William Howard Taft and Teddy Roosevelt split so many votes on the right. That won’t be the case in this year’s election. In the event, Wilson did increase his share of the popular vote, from 41.8 percent in 1912 to 49.2 percent in 1916.
The second was Franklin D. Roosevelt, who won a larger margin in both the popular vote and the Electoral College in his first re-election (1936) but tapered off in his third and fourth presidential victories (1940 and 1944) — situations that aren’t really analogous to Obama’s seeking a second term.
Barring a huge turn of events, Obama is not going to repeat his 2008 performance in terms of EVs or the popular vote (he won 52.7 percent of the latter four years ago). So his re-election would be fairly historic.
Why do presidents almost never win re-election with smaller majorities? Maybe it’s a matter of a small sample size; only 15 men have ever been elected to two or more consecutive terms as president. Or maybe voters tend to decide the incumbent either deserves re-election or doesn’t, and move either decisively in his direction or away from it.
If it’s the latter, almost every other measure of this contest favors Romney. Enthusiasm has been higher among Republicans almost uniformly. Obama breaks even in approval ratings — at best — and has lost his edge in favorability. Self-described independent voters have favored Romney — often by double-digit margins — in most polls, regardless of the top-line leader.
The states that moved into the “tossup” category during the past month are states the Democrats once considered comfortably in Obama’s column: The action toward the end of the campaign, in terms of spending and appearances by the candidates and their surrogates, has been in traditionally blue states such as Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Early and absentee voting totals in most swing states, particularly in the specific areas of those swing states he’s counting on the most, point to a shift away from Obama compared to his totals in 2008. Seven of the 10 swing states according to RCP have elected GOP governors since 2008, and an eighth (North Carolina) is expected to do so Tuesday.
In short, the numbers are what they are — but anyone looking for reasons not to believe the poll numbers can find plenty of them.
My head tells me Obama will be re-elected. My gut tells me this hasn’t looked like the kind of campaign an incumbent wins.
My gut tells me the surge Obama has seen in national polls during the past week comes from voters he wasn’t going to lose to Romney, but could have lost to apathy, who will show up and cast ballots for him — but mostly in states he was going to win anyway. My gut tells me we might be seeing a repeat of 2000, when it looked like the Democrat would win the Electoral College but lose the popular vote, only for the scenario to flip in the final days.
My gut tells me Romney picks up North Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Colorado and at least one of Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania — and will become the 45th president of the United States.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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mike
November 5th, 2012
4:24 pm
Kyle, if your “gut” tells you all of that, you may have a salmonella infection. The only way President Barack Obama could lose this election is if it is rigged by the Republicans.
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Flounder
November 5th, 2012
4:28 pm
This Small Business Owner, and flabbergasted-at-how-anyone-could-think-Obama-deserves-re-election … sure hopes you’re right!
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
4:32 pm
Kyle
Going to be close race. Did you pick McCain or did you know it was a done deal?
Dearie
November 5th, 2012
4:33 pm
Good column ~
Just let it be over quickly. The country can’t take too much more.
SBinF
November 5th, 2012
4:34 pm
History and the numbers say Barack Obama will be re-elected tomorrow. History and the intangibles suggest Mitt Romney will unseat him. Which will prevail?
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Pretty indicative of our political climate….some people subscribe to quantitative analysis and science to understand the world, while other people go with their gut feeling.
Kyle, why not just pray and ask God to tell you who will win?
The only thing that’s certain is about 50% of the population will be very, very disappointed tomorrow evening.
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
4:37 pm
Count Down: Oh no, the writing was on the wall four years ago. I won’t be shocked by just about any outcome tomorrow. Kind of the way I feel about UGA football games this season…
Tom
November 5th, 2012
4:39 pm
Here we view modern conservatism in its essence: a tissue of fairy tales and wishful thinking.
Scott Fresno
November 5th, 2012
4:40 pm
History and the numbers say Barack Obama will be re-elected tomorrow. Magical thinking and denial suggest Mitt Romney will unseat him.
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
4:40 pm
Kyle
UGA fan myself.
I say Obama close, but will not be surprised to see Romney win. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Obama win the EC and Romney the popular vote, but not the other way around. If Romney wins EC, he will also wins the popular vote.
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
4:40 pm
SBinF: As I wrote in the OP, likely-voter polling is an art, not a science. And the other numbers I based my gut feeling on — numbers about enthusiasm, favorability, etc. — are still, you know, numbers. It’s just a matter of which ones you tend to believe. My head tells me these other numbers ought to be more reflected in the topline poll results. My gut tells me they’ll be reflected in the actual voting totals. We shall see.
But I do agree with your last line — although I’m not sure one of those halves, the pro-Obama one, is mentally prepared for the very real possibility its guy will lose. See, for example, mike @ 4:24.
Kansas City
November 5th, 2012
4:41 pm
Honest guy. Impressive.
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
4:43 pm
Kyle
You have some right leaning bloggers who are no more prepared than mike.
Wont name them, but I am sure you know who they are.
The excuses will be coming either way.
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
4:44 pm
Byte Me: C’mon, you know I don’t allow folks to just sub out one letter in a banned word. Kind of defeats the purpose of banning words. And that particular word isn’t my call. Re-submit that comment with a synonym, and it’ll be fine.
carlosgvv
November 5th, 2012
4:44 pm
This race is too close to call. This, in itself, is a problem. Regardless of who wins tommorrow, about one-half of the nation will have voted for the loser. This means we are a deeply divided nation.
I think Lincoln said a house divided against itself cannot stand.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
Your gut is full of s—.
Just had to say that.
You’re going to be wrong, but at least you’re more consistent than your candidate.
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
Count Down @ 4:43: True. I just think it’s a more pervasive problem on the left.
joe
November 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
Mike–the only election rigging going on is by the new black panthers, so shut it.
Romney gets 285 tomorrow.
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
Kyle
You have one who predicted a Romney landslide. What will be that blogger’s demeanor if Romney loses?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
No prob, Kyle, thanks for letting me know.
alanstorm
November 5th, 2012
4:46 pm
Tom, you epitomize the essential emptiness and vapidity of the left. Obama went with “Hope and Change” in 2008, and “Forward” in 2012, two of the most meaningless campaign slogans ever created, but the conservatives are the are the ones who show fairy tales and wishful thinking.
Right.
SBinF
November 5th, 2012
4:46 pm
“As I wrote in the OP, likely-voter polling is an art, not a science.”
And this is certainly true, however if you take hundreds of polls over time, you begin to see a picture that is far more scientific than artful. Many people on your end of the political spectrum swore up and down that the polls were all biased. Then when they showed Romney gaining ground, the polls suddenly had validity. The problem I guess is that the Right is fine with facts and figures when they agree with the Right’s opinion. any other time they are part of some huge liberal conspiracy. In this case, the numbers don’t point to a Romney win, so we’re now left to interpret tea leaves (since you know, polls don’t mean much).
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
4:46 pm
Well the Redskins lost at home yesterday so we all know what that means….
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
4:48 pm
Kyle
I would say it is a problem that a percentage in each side does not handle what well. Who is worse? I do not know, however I can say it was difficult to count the whiners after Bush won and Obama won. Still is in my opinion. Guess it is a matter of perspective and perception as well.
Tom
November 5th, 2012
4:49 pm
Right, alanstorm: “Believe in America” Didn’t Willard rip that intensely fact-based apothegm off from one of the later Rocky movies?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
4:49 pm
My prediction, by the way is 303 for Obama. That includes VA, CO, IA, OH, NH. Only state that is unclear to me is FL. NC goes to Romney by 2 points. OH we won’t know for at least 2 weeks, but we’ll know who the president is before midnight.
You should have a poll about when the election will get called.
Aquagirl
November 5th, 2012
4:49 pm
Your gut is full of…..
Well, I certainly hope he isn’t trying to store it in his aorta or lungs instead. That wouldn’t end well.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
4:50 pm
I will say I’m surprised that Obama is polling so high (not 50% anywhere though). The way things have gone the last 4 years Obama should be down 55-45 or something like that. Guess there’s a lot of people who are ok with the “new normal”.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
4:50 pm
Well the Redskins lost at home yesterday so we all know what that means….
Yeah, it means they better get an O-line or RG3 is going to be a cripple in a few years.
Sandy Survivor
November 5th, 2012
4:51 pm
I think you’r e right Kyle. Although I think it will be a bigger win. I think the President loses the Youth vote he had last time. College kids are not dopes. they have seen NOTHING from the promises 4 years ago. they are unemployed and in debt…He loses a good percentage of Catholics.. Not all, but enough to make a big difference because of his stance on contraception and Obamacare, Loses ALL Evangelicals. He is losing his stronghold among married women. He is getting pummeled by men. His base is roughly 35% of the electorate. He has lost many,many independents. Independents are breaking 59/35 for Romney. he will lose at least “some” fiscal conservative Democrats and will get NO Voters that voted for McCain. He is losing some Union workers, ie, Coal miners and pipeline workers… Add it all up, and it’s Romney by way more than the polls show.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
4:51 pm
The way things have gone the last 4 years Obama should be down 55-45 or something like that. Guess there’s a lot of people who are ok with the “new normal”.
You haven’t considered that it’s a CHOICE between two (viable) candidates, huh? Both are flawed, but one is more flawed than the other. People get that and are making their choice.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
4:52 pm
Exclusive: Romney up ONE POINT in Ohio and TIED in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to his campaign’s internal polling
Romney is also three points up in New Hampshire
But he is trailing in Nevada, according to campaign pollster Neil Newhouse
If the figures hold true Romney will almost certainly become the 45th President of the United States
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228359/Romney-campaign-internal-polling-puts-Republican-nominee-point-ahead-Ohio.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
4:52 pm
Well, I certainly hope he isn’t trying to store it in his aorta or lungs instead. That wouldn’t end well.
Having just had a colonoscopy, I’m very clear on where s— is stored.
H.E. Pennypacker
November 5th, 2012
4:54 pm
“The first thing happens is, don’t believe — the public polls are wrong. That’s the first sign of a campaign that’s about to lose. The second thing, we’re going to change the nature of the electorate, and you’re not seeing it reflected in the polls. And the third thing is, the only poll that counts is Election Day. When you hear those things, you know you’re about to lose,” – Matthew Dowd, Republican political strategist.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
4:54 pm
“Yeah, it means they better get an O-line or RG3 is going to be a cripple in a few years”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskins_Rule
HDB
November 5th, 2012
4:56 pm
FWIW…here’s my prediction…..
WA, OR, CA, CO, NM, MN, IA, WI, IL, LI, PA, MD, DE, DC, NJ, NY, CT,MA, RI, VT, NH, ME, HI…that gives Obama 272 electoral votes!! If he gets OH, and loses CO, Obama gets 281 electoral votes……..
Obama can win without OH and FL…but if he gets EITHER, Romney is toast!!
Republicans in PA are already starting to go after primarily black precincts in an attempt to suppress the vote…….
http://www.citypaper.net/blogs/nakedcity/GOP-poll-watchers-allegedly-targeting-black-precincts-in-Pittsburgh-.html
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
4:57 pm
“The first thing happens is, don’t believe — the public polls are wrong. That’s the first sign of a campaign that’s about to lose. The second thing, we’re going to change the nature of the electorate, and you’re not seeing it reflected in the polls. And the third thing is, the only poll that counts is Election Day. When you hear those things, you know you’re about to lose,” – Matthew Dowd, Republican political strategist.”
“Obama Campaign Manager: ‘Don’t Believe the Polls? You Don’t Need To’”
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/obama-campaign-manager-don-t-believe-the-polls-you-don-t-need-to–20121031
Tom
November 5th, 2012
4:58 pm
Here is the McCain campaign’s internal polling just before the election 4 years ago:
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/11/04/the-latest-from-inside-mccain-hq
td
November 5th, 2012
4:58 pm
I also believe that Romney wins. I have barely seen any mention of it in any political reports in the papers and on the air but I think there is a hidden vote that has totally been forgotten this election season. Religious conservatives. There are 2 millions plus of them that only go to the polls to vote on social issues and they stayed home in 2008. I do not think they will sit on the sideline this year and will come out and vote for Romney. You also have all the Catholics that were in the pulpits this past weekend basically saying a vote for Obama is a vote against the church.
This will be the difference imho.
HDB
November 5th, 2012
4:59 pm
…please add MI, not LI!!
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
4:59 pm
This small business owner is flabbergasted at how anyone could honestly think that the highly unprincipled, ever shape shifting, Morphing Mitt is fit to lead.
Other than that, I don’t care.
Unlike you apparent teenagers, I’ve been around a few of these rodeos.
And nothing of real significance in my life has ever changed, no matter which of the two party’s frauds sat in the West Wing.
They are nothing more than flip sides of the same corporate owned coin.
But you boys go on believing that you’ll be in Nirvana soon if Flip wins and that evil, Marxist bogeyman goes away!
LOL!
Romney will lose.
I just want to see the depraved Joe Walsh in Illinois and Alan West in Florida join him…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
5:00 pm
I also believe that Romney wins.
You have that long-standing bet about this on Bookman’s blog, right?
H.E. Pennypacker
November 5th, 2012
5:01 pm
I will give you credit Kyle, you made your case and put a prediction out there.
On the other hand you have the likes of Dick Morris, Karl Rove, and Joe Scarborough all loudly predicted a Romney victory last week and then at the last minute they put forth a Hurricane Sandy qualifier, (saying the storm stopped Romney’s momentum, even though polls were moving away from Romney prior to the storm), allowing them to later be able to have it both ways.
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
5:01 pm
The way things have gone the last 4 years Obama should be down 55-45 or something like that.
I tend to agree.
But then the Democrats should have steamrolled George (W)orst Bush twice.
Alas, this is the result when you trot out awful competition…
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:01 pm
Exclusive: Romney up ONE POINT in Ohio and TIED in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to his campaign’s internal polling
According to my internal polling im beating them both and will be the next President.
LOL
Cheesy Grits loses all those states and also Colorado. Virginia is a longer shot but Obama may win there as well.
As for the southern states. Once again we go red. No chance of a deep south state voting for the black guy.
None.
The dumber the state, the redder it is.
SwamiDave
November 5th, 2012
5:03 pm
The Obama campaign is having to compete in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, & Colorado. You can usually tell how a game is going by where the game is being played. They have claimed that Romney’s play for Pennsylvania was a “Hail Mary”. It fully depends upon where on the field the race is currently being played. Romney’s campaign feels that they are close to scoring; Obama’s is convinced that he is not.
Throughout October, the outcomes of polling have been governed not by the responses, but the turnout models that the pollsters assumed. Polls favoring Romney have assumed a more equal distribution of voters (like 2000 or 2004). Polls favoring Obama have assumed a distribution like that of 2008 (or -in some cases- assuming greater percentages of Democrats than voted in even 2008).
One set of assumptions will be found correct tomorrow night. If the models assuming D+x are correct, then it will likely be a close Obama win. If the models assuming a more equal distribution are correct, then it will be a very good night for Romney.
Either way, there is vindication for some and disappointment for others on the very near horizon!
-SD
HDB
November 5th, 2012
5:03 pm
It won’t be voter fraud that turns the tide…it’s voter SUPPRESSION…championed by the GOP!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/poll-watching_n_2078563.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
5:03 pm
td
Please post the link that shows religious conservatives voted in less percentages in 08 than they did in previous elections.
Thanks
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 5th, 2012
5:04 pm
Cheesy Grits: The more patriotic the state, the redder it is.
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Fixed.
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
5:05 pm
What’s funny, SBinF @ 4:46, is that folks on the left started making some of the same excuses about the polls once Romney took the lead. It’s more human nature than anything partisan or ideological, imo.
Like I wrote, my head tells me the polls tell a persuasive story about a very narrow Obama win. But they don’t tell the same kind of story we’re seeing play out via the campaigns. Which is what made me start questioning whether the polls really had it right.
As I said earlier: We shall see. The best news of all is that it won’t be much longer now. (One can hope, anyway…)
Kansas City
November 5th, 2012
5:05 pm
I have never ready Mr. Wingfield, but I am always impressed by an honest opinoin columnist. They are so rare these days.
Dusty
November 5th, 2012
5:06 pm
Good estimate, Kyle,
I’ll take Romney any way I can get him
As to that gut feeling, mine says”Dinnertime!”.
That’s the only sure prediction I’ve heard today…
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
5:07 pm
Romney winning independents 59%-35%
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/11/04/top16.pdf
curious
November 5th, 2012
5:07 pm
Doesn’t matter who wins. The country will continue to move forward at a slow to moderate pace.
Whatever budget cuts are made will be erased by budget increases. It just depends on which special interest group gets the best return on investment.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:07 pm
GOP will win Florida primarily due to Gov Scott not allowing early voting.
If your path to victory is hoping people dont vote.
Well what does that say for you as a party ?
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
5:08 pm
td @ 4:58: Ralph Reed’s organization has been much more involved in GOTV efforts this year than in ‘08. Fwiw.
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
5:10 pm
Thanks, Kansas City.
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
5:11 pm
You have that long-standing bet about this on Bookman’s blog, right?
Yep, with yours truly. He insisted on making it happen with me (not sure about anyone else) and being the all around good guy that I am, I accommodated him!
Remember what it was, td?
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
5:11 pm
Stephenson @ 5:07: If Romney wins that group by even half that margin, I don’t see how he can lose.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 5th, 2012
5:12 pm
Cheesy Grits: If your path to victory is lengthening the voting process to give Democrats more time to stuff the ballot box.
Well what does that say for you as a party ?
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Fixed.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
5:13 pm
Romney winning independents 59%-35%
Except that the poll was a national poll and no one cares about those now except for trends and the trend is that it’s a close election, which is what the poll shows. State polls are MUCH more accurate than national polls at this stage, which is why states are getting polled so heavily right now.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:14 pm
Ralph Reed
Truly a great American.
Rips off Indians with Jack Abramoff.
Probably makes him a hero to the right.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
5:14 pm
The only thing Hurrican Sandy did was show how impenitent FEMA is, no matter who is in charge.
Kyle Wingfield
November 5th, 2012
5:15 pm
ByteMe @ 5:13: Oh, if he wins independents nationally by 24 points, that will translate to the state level.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:15 pm
Cheesy Grits: If your path to victory is lengthening the voting process to give Democrats more time to stuff the ballot box.
Well what does that say for you as a party ?
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How does one stuff the ballot box ?
I mean literally how do you do it ?
Edward Gibbon
November 5th, 2012
5:16 pm
Even if Obama had had a decent 1st term (like Bush 43), there is no way that he would get Dem/GOP/Independents that were for him turnout the same or larger than ‘08 as the enthusiasm would no longer be there. Inasmuch as he’s had a miserable 1st term, the pro-Obama vote will be greatly diminished. On the GOP side enthusiasm has never been higher and a large majority of Independents support Romney. Romney wins in landslide. QED
ByteMe - Got ilk?
November 5th, 2012
5:16 pm
ByteMe @ 5:13: Oh, if he wins independents nationally by 24 points, that will translate to the state level.
Right now, the south is Romney +22. There’s no way THAT translates nationally either.
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
5:18 pm
Kyle
Ralph Reed is working more in 2012 then 2008.
That does not mean the voting that td spoke about was down in 08 as opposed to previous elections and it could be that he has been working to bridge religious differences.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:18 pm
Lets just put it this way.
Is it possible all the polls are wrong.
Yes.
Of the last 32 polls done in Ohio. Obama was ahead in 31.
Is it possible there all wrong.
Sure.
But I wouldn’t want to bet on it.
And when Obama wins Ohio. Its over.
JakeTobias
November 5th, 2012
5:19 pm
It will be Romney in a landslide. The experts said Carter/Reagan would be close. After the attempted Cintoncare failed, the voters spoke at the midterms. With Obamacare, they spoke again at the midterms. It will be Romney in a landslide, because Obama is more Carter than Carter was.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
5:20 pm
“The Obama get-out-the-vote drive (GOTV) is not quite the powerful juggernaut it was in 2008 and the Republican effort is far better than four years ago. The Republican National Committee isn’t alone this time. Americans for Prosperity and a coalition of a dozen conservative groups—from the National Rifle Association to the Republican Jewish Coalition—have put together a massive GOTV effort focused on swing voters in key states. They’ve averaged 1.8 million phone calls per day in recent days.
Early voting numbers are further evidence of ground game parity. Democrats have a slight edge, but their numbers are down significantly from 2008. Far more Republicans have voted early this year than in 2008.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/why-romney-will-win_660391.html
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:20 pm
Right now, the south is Romney +22. There’s no way THAT translates nationally either.
Right. The black guy could have a cure for cancer and he would be down 10 in the South.
That doesn’t translate to the rest of the non redneck country.
Edward Gibbon
November 5th, 2012
5:22 pm
State polls are most assuredly NOT more accurate. They are often done by non-professionals unlike the national ones by Gallup and Rasmussen. All the state polls have a widely inflated Dem turnout. Any state where Romney is w/i the margin of error, he wins easily.
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
5:22 pm
Romney is weak on defense.
Obama sent bin Laden to the bottom of the Indian ocean. Mitt said in so many words that he wouldn’t have even bothered to go after him.
At this point in our nation’s history, we simply cannot afford to have an effete coward from Massachusetts in the west Wing…
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
5:22 pm
Jake
Actually the majority of polling in 1980 showed Reagan leading and with momentum.
Taking polls from weeks and even months before the election and attempting to depict it as what was occurring right before the election is either being disingenuous, uninformed or just lying.
MANGLER
November 5th, 2012
5:23 pm
We already know that healthcare and education costs are going up and that, barring an international calamity, we are rebounding and 12 million jobs are coming along with moderate growth for the next 4 years, that’s if nothing new happens from today for the next 4 years.
If Obama is re-elected, then the filibustering Congress will need to do something akin (but not with Akin I hope) to compromising to get something accomplished. They won’t be able to block everything forever or it will become blatantly obvious that it is in fact, their fault. By blatantly, I mean even fox newscasters will say it.
If Romney wins, then the filibustering Congress will have to watch how much they let get accomplished because if the spigots suddenly open wide on Jan 21st, then it will be obvious that it is in fact, their fault.
MANGLER
November 5th, 2012
5:23 pm
I do propose a drinking games for tomorrow night:
a shot for each time Ohio changes color on whatever board you’re watching
a shot for each time CNN says “Bain”
a shot for each time Fox says “Benghazi”
a shot for each time NBC says “flip flop”
a shot for each time Wolf Bitzer’s facial hair gets blended in with the green screen behind him
shall we?
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
5:23 pm
Jake
Plus Carter’s approval rating was in the 30s. That is not the case for the incumbent today, but do carry on with your nonsense.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:25 pm
The experts said Carter/Reagan would be close.
A myth.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/electionate/107171/exploding-the-reagan-1980-comeback-myth#
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
5:25 pm
George W Bush had a decent first term?????
WOW!!!
The man was a total train wreck in first 100 days alone…
Tundra Dude
November 5th, 2012
5:26 pm
S. Billings:
Exclusive: Romney up ONE POINT in Ohio and TIED in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin,
Thanx for the humor. (you pay the piper, you call the tune)
from dailymail.uk:
Mitt Romney is ahead by a single percentage point in Ohio, according to internal polling data provided to MailOnline by a Republican party source
Edward Gibbon
November 5th, 2012
5:26 pm
The South are not rednecks and do reflect the rest of the country. California, Illinois, New York, Maryland and Massachusetts are out of step (and going broke, just a coincidence, no doubt) because they are filled with people who depend directly on the fed gov, overeducated idiots who can’t even dress themselves and arrogant jerks. Really smart people have left or are leaving those sinkholes.
Troy
November 5th, 2012
5:27 pm
Obama inherited a bad situation BUT he made it much worse, so why should we vote for someone to fix a worse situation when he could not fix a bad situation? It does not make sense. I dont care who the president is, if he cant live up to his promises then he should be a one term president and that includes the next president.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:28 pm
State polls are most assuredly NOT more accurate. They are often done by non-professionals unlike the national ones by Gallup and Rasmussen.
I agree Fox News is unprofessional but the last poll they did in Ohio had Obama up three points.
ragnar danneskjold
November 5th, 2012
5:29 pm
Pretty good analysis, for both sides. My gut says Romney in a cakewalk, due to the economic fundamentals – nobody thinks Obama has the slightest idea how to improve the economy, certainly nobody who hires people to do anything. “More of the same” sounds more like a threat than a plan.
cc
November 5th, 2012
5:29 pm
Kyle:
Your gut is correct, and the election won’t be as close as most people seem to think. Romney wins, and wins convincingly!
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:31 pm
The South are not rednecks and do reflect the rest of the country.
As Gov Christie pointed out the states that take from the Federal Government are the Southern States.
Northern States like New Jersey and New York send far more money to Washington than they ever receive back.
The welfare states are the deep south states. Alabama Georgia Mississippi etc
Alpheus
November 5th, 2012
5:33 pm
“Pretty indicative of our political climate….some people subscribe to quantitative analysis and science to understand the world, while other people go with their gut feeling.”
As someone who is familiar with statistics methods, and have been closely following the polls in this election, I wouldn’t be so ready to dismiss “gut” feelings.
For one thing, statistics itself is an art rather than a pure science–if it were otherwise, we would remember President Dewey. It is my understanding that only about 9% of people called respond to any given poll–that’s one massive “nonresponse bias”!
And then you have Obama’s office biasing Gallup, by threatening them with legal actions if they didn’t change their methodology.
And finally, you have levels of energy: Obama has attracted “Incredible Shrinking Crowds”, while Romney energy is pretty strong, even in places like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Most polls are based on 2008 turnout numbers–an election that was an aberration in many ways as well (and was different even from 2010 numbers).
There are lots of reasons, both tangible and intangible, for distrusting the polls. Some of this can even be quantifiable, for those who do it; but for those of us who don’t do it, but sense that something weird is going on, we can call this our “gut”.
Of course, ultimately the only numbers that count are the votes that are cast on or before November 5th.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:34 pm
Pretty good analysis, for both sides. My gut says Romney in a cakewalk, due to the economic fundamentals – nobody thinks Obama has the slightest idea how to improve the economy, certainly nobody who hires people to do anything. “More of the same” sounds more like a threat than a plan.
I hire people and ill vote for him. Adding 150,000 jobs a month is a heckuva lot better than the 500,000 plus we were losing each month when Obama took office.
Unlike you ive done pretty well. But of course I dont blame the government for all my problems like you.l
SBinF
November 5th, 2012
5:36 pm
What’s funny, SBinF @ 4:46, is that folks on the left started making some of the same excuses about the polls once Romney took the lead. It’s more human nature than anything partisan or ideological, imo.
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Who was making this argument on the left? Disdain for polls is well documented on this blog and others, as well as the GOP elites.
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
5:36 pm
If I wanted to hide my money overseas like the GOP candidate does, I would vote for the uber-patriot Mitt…
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:36 pm
And then you have Obama’s office biasing Gallup, by threatening them with legal actions if they didn’t change their methodology.
Thats what a Republican hears.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/22/13417662-us-sues-gallup-alleging-pollster-overcharged-on-government-contracts?lite
Thats what actually happened.
Its ok happens all the time.
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
5:39 pm
We do not need a president who will blame our own American personnel overseas for sympathizing with their murderers.
Mitt – Unfit to lead.
Beyond The Middle of the Road
November 5th, 2012
5:40 pm
“The best news of all is that it won’t be much longer now. (One can hope, anyway…)
Kyle, rarely have I agreed more strongly with any statement made on ANY of these forums.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:40 pm
There are lots of reasons, both tangible and intangible, for distrusting the polls
The main one being you dont like what they say.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
5:40 pm
Romney wins!!!! Obama has not broken 50% much of anyplace and stats show that the incumbent gets about what he polls, the undecided tend to vote for the challenger. No one in history other than FDR, has won with an unemployment over 7.5%. Carter lost with a 7.5% unemployment. Obama is less popular than Carter in non Dem fairyland.
As Clinton so apply said, this Obama stuff is just one big fairy tale.
Well, Little Red Riding Barry doesn’t escape the wolf in this fairy tale.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
5:42 pm
” “More of the same” sounds more like a threat than a plan.”
Except it probably won’t be more of the same. It will be more like Obama’s version of “austerity”: letting the Obama tax cuts expire AND allow his sequestration plan take effect.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 5th, 2012
5:42 pm
Way to commit to an answer, Kyle.
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November 5th, 2012
5:43 pm
Rafe
You could be right about the outcome, however Carter was polling in the mid 30s. Obama is mid to high 40s depending on the poll.
Huge difference.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
5:45 pm
2004 John Kerry and Bruce Springsteen in Madison, 70,000 people there. Skerry John loses.
2012 Barry Obama and Bruce Springsteen in Madison, 18,000 people there. Bruce is losing his mojo or Barry is losing.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 5th, 2012
5:47 pm
Obama wins easily
It will be over pretty early once Ohio is declared for Obama
Only question is can he pick up Florida and Virginia.
If so it cold be a landslide and a clear mandate for his second term.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 5th, 2012
5:47 pm
The way kookman spins up excuses, you just know that obozo’s a goner.
Intown
November 5th, 2012
5:48 pm
If Romney wins it will be due to a campaign of voter disenfranchisement under the guise of eliminating voter fraud (when it is under any guise at all).
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
5:49 pm
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Obama is mid to high 40s depending on the poll.
49% doesn’t get it, unless one of the third parties gets more than 2%, in one of the critical states. Not likely, there are just not enough Jamvets out there.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
5:51 pm
From the AP November 3, 1980:
Carter, Reagan too close to call race, polls say
“As the 1980 presidential campaign moves to a close, national polls say the race between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan is too close to call.”
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November 5th, 2012
5:54 pm
Rafe
I meant approval ratings. Some want to cite the similarities of this election and 1980.
Unemployment is similar. Heck it remained bad until late 82 into 83, I believe.
1. It is cited that polls showed Carer ahead. Not true, vast majority of polling had Reagan leading and gaining momentum in the last few weeks.
2. Obama’s approval ratings are not the ratings of Carter.
Doesn’t mean that Obama doesn’t lose tomorrow, however it does mean the dynamics are not as similar as some want to assert.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 5th, 2012
5:56 pm
The only states obozo has wrapped up are kalifornia, konnetikut and new yorKKK.
Oh, and nevaduh.
SBinF
November 5th, 2012
5:57 pm
Obozo…wow, that’s so original. You’re very clever. You should write for Leno.
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November 5th, 2012
5:57 pm
Stepenson
You area welcome to fixate on one poll or headline, however the link below tells a much different tale. It has numerous polls.
Thanks for playing
http://www.amstat.org/sections/SRMS/proceedings/papers/1981_011.pdf
Tundra Dude
November 5th, 2012
5:57 pm
SBinF wrote:
Kyle, why not just pray and ask God to tell you who will win?
Surely you jest. How would He know. ??
This clown had “called” 3-4 candidates…..they all fizzled out.
mike
November 5th, 2012
5:58 pm
If Romney wins tomorrow, it will mean that there are more old, white people and rednecks than there are educated white people, blacks, and Hispanics. It’s just that simple.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
5:58 pm
If so it cold be a landslide and a clear mandate for his second term.
Yep, Michelle will be proud of her country for a second time, whoa. Then she will be off on another lavish vacation, and the little people who voted for him, will be back where they were to start with, looking up for a handout from their messiah and hoping that other people’s money just lasts for 4 MO! Barry will be back on the golf course, with the folks who bought his victory.
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November 5th, 2012
6:02 pm
Stephenson
http://christwire.org/stephenson-billings-biography/
Is this you?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
6:04 pm
Mike
If Romney wins tomorrow, it will mean that there are more old, white people and rednecks than there are educated white people, blacks, and Hispanics. It’s just that simple.
No, mike, it means that there are still more makers than takers, that is why we do not need 4 more years of Barry creating takers.
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November 5th, 2012
6:04 pm
Rafe
I do not see a “landslide” either way. Close either way. Maybe even Romney winning the popular vote but losing the election.
If Romney wins, he wins both. I could see Obama winning the Electoral College but not the popular vote
mike
November 5th, 2012
6:04 pm
I think the American public has vivid memories of the disaster that was the George W. Bush presidency. They remember the irresponsible tax cuts (which we still live with today). They remember the irresponsible wars based on lies (which we still live with today). They remember the irresponsible housing bubble used to cover up the recession caused by outsourcing American manufacturing. But, most of all, they remember that Republicans, under George W. Bush, very nearly caused the world economy to collapse. Then, they had the gall to condemn Barack Obama for “saving” Wall Street from the collapse they caused. I believe it’s going to be generations before the American public forgets what the Republicans did to this country. If ever.
independent thinker
November 5th, 2012
6:04 pm
Good analysis- If Obama loses it will be because of the following:
1. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi;
2. high unemployment;
3. increase in deficit ;
4. “you did not build it comment”
5. Obama is an introvert and does not know how to woo the opposition or even members of his own party;
6. Looming crisis in the entire Middle East;
7. acting too presidential and aloof in the first debate and not being aggressive towards Romney;and
8. Lingering doubts of his true core beliefs.and
9. lack of business experience.
Romney could easily lose because:
1. GOP has caused gridlock in Congress;
2. He has numerous conflicts of interest;
3. He truly does not give a damn about the 47%;
4. He looked like a fool in the last two debates;
5. He is a chickenhawk draft dodger who protested for the war and the draft;
6. He is hiding too many questionable transactions by not disclosing his taxes;
7. He is the father of Romneycare but disavowed Obamacare;
8. He has not been truthful on his position on tax cuts for the rich and how it will benefit him;
9. He has not been truthful about his fake blind trust;
10. He has not been truthful about women’s issues;
11. He has not been truthful and given full disclosure an profits from the auto bailout and his family’s
profits in Delphi;
12. He has not been truthful on his history of offshoring and outsourcing.and
13, He has saddled up with the worst of the neocon chickenhawks but does not give a damn about our troops and veterans.
Conclusion.
If George Romney were running for president I would vote for him but not the son.
I am voting Libertarian.Anyway it makes almost no difference in this state who you vote for in the presidential contest.
Orson
November 5th, 2012
6:09 pm
Mike forgot to add the other “reason” Obama might lose – Republicans ARE RACISTS! – LOL! (diagnosed by “dranity” – yes, she’s a real Board Certified psychiatrist – just google.)
Aquagirl
November 5th, 2012
6:10 pm
Is this you?
If that’s the Stephenson Billings we know and love we’re not getting enough of his funny stuff. His FB page is a scream.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
6:12 pm
In Closing Arguments, Obama Echoes . . . Bush
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/02/in_closing_arguments_obama_echoes____bush_116030.html
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
6:15 pm
This is me:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2010/08/satirical-christian-site-hoodwinks-the-huffington-post/23306/
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
6:16 pm
And this:
Rachel Maddow and NBC Struggle With Satire
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/02/rachel-maddow-and-nbc-struggle-with-satire/21285/
Mom
November 5th, 2012
6:22 pm
Kyle… I pray you are right…
Alpheus
November 5th, 2012
6:24 pm
Let’s step back from the polls for a second, and just look at what’s available to see.
In Pennsylvania, signs for Romney are sprouting like mushrooms, while Obama signs are difficult to find.
In Wisconsin, Obama draws a crowd of 18,000 when he expected a crowd of 30,000.
In the various places Romney goes to, crowds are large and enthusiastic.
In speeches, Obama doesn’t advance any new specifics, and doesn’t really defend his record, but lashes out against Romney–reminiscent of George Bush Sr. against Clinton in 1992.
Does this *feel* like Obama is winning, and Romney is losing?
If we look at the polls, we see a lot of them using the turnout of 2008 as their model, when that was a special election in many ways; when we have a 9% response, which leaves the question of “Why does 91% not take the survey?” To say they are not hit because they use cell-phones, and are most likely Democrat, is wishful thinking on their part, for two reasons: Many of those who don’t respond, or refuse to respond, are on *land lines*; and, regardless of their non-response, we it’s dangerous to interpolate the polls into this group, because we simply do not know, and cannot know, why they didn’t respond to the poll.
Now, to suggest that the people missed because they aren’t home, or own a cell phone, or simply refuse to answer, are likely to be Democrat, is as much wishful thinking on their part, as mine is that Romney might just pull through: we simply do NOT know what these people are thinking.
(And to throw even more doubt into the polls: I don’t know how widespread this behavior is, but I’ve read accounts of a couple of people, who when they talk to a pollster, will lie, and say “I’m a Republican, and I’m voting Obama.” That’s another type of bias in polls that is impossible to fix; I cannot remember the formal name for that bias, though, but it can be a major bugaboo for statisticians.)
I am unaware of any poll in any swing state that has Obama above 50%. That’s not a good place for an incumbent to be in. Anyone who thinks that Obama is a shoo-in is as guilty of wishful thinking as anyone who thinks that Romney is.
And, being as familiar with statistical methods as I am, I, for one, find all this fascinating. A lot of polls say Obama is going to win, but there are a lot of reasons (including a lot of statistical ones) to question those polls!
Orson
November 5th, 2012
6:24 pm
correcting the typo: “drsanity” – it’s obvious, almost.
ragnar danneskjold
November 5th, 2012
6:28 pm
Just sat down with an electoral map, assumed Romney would lose Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan, but I still have him winning. I differ from Joe Trippi by giving Romney Wisconsin, Colorado, and Virginia. Those six states seem to be the ones to watch – if Obama loses as many as three of them, he loses the election, he has to take four out of six. Romney could run the table and finish with 325.
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November 5th, 2012
6:29 pm
Alpheus
Do you live or work in these states? Is your info coming from unbiased sources?
saywhat?
November 5th, 2012
6:29 pm
Your gut is full of…..
Well, I certainly hope he isn’t trying to store it in his aorta or lungs instead. That wouldn’t end well.
________________________________________________
Its the few who store it between their ears that end up ruining it for the rest of us.
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November 5th, 2012
6:30 pm
ragnar
Vegas is waiting for you. You can win big at Intrade…
Place your bets.
Aynie Sue
November 5th, 2012
6:31 pm
Romney as 35th President of the United States? Now that’s really scary!
Please tell us it’s a leftover Halloween joke.
saywhat?
November 5th, 2012
6:31 pm
If Romney wins, I hope my kids aren’t with me when it happens. The sight of monkeys flying from my butt might disturb them.
Get Real
November 5th, 2012
6:33 pm
That is why you play the game, what it looks like on paper does not matter….
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
6:36 pm
CNN Exit poll results (2008):
Democrat (39%)
Republican (32%)
Independent (29%)
Gallup 2008 final election poll:
Democrat (39%)
Republican (29%)
Independent (31%)
Gallup 2012 Daily election tracking (9424 likely voters):
Democrat (35%)
Republican (36%)
Independent (29%)
Get Real
November 5th, 2012
6:39 pm
saywhat?
I am a Wizard of Oz fan, so I look forward to monkeys flying out of your butt….your children will be much better off
ragnar danneskjold
November 5th, 2012
6:40 pm
Dear Count @ 6:30, one can get the same effect by moving into common stocks – Romney win will make the market move big. I plan to get out of my Canadian funds tomorrow.
Of course, if Obama wins, the market will go south again in a hurry.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
6:42 pm
The CNN/ORC International poll has the race tied 49-49 w/a Dem +11 sample (yikes)
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November 5th, 2012
6:44 pm
ragnar
If you could get the same rate on a consistent basis that you would get by betting Romney for the election, you would be Warren Buffet times 10.
Bet big and take Intrade to the bank……..
You in?
richard40
November 5th, 2012
6:45 pm
I agree that romney will get FL, NC, VA, and CO. I also agree romney will get one of OH, PA, or MI, but think he can also get WI or NH.
Child, Please
November 5th, 2012
6:49 pm
Insanity=Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result
Kind of like voting again for a President who has graded out at a solid D for 4 years while country ‘quietly’ slipped another $5-6 trillion in debt and has said NOTHING about eliminating it.
I know, he’s been busy running around apologizing for our country, etc.
cc
November 5th, 2012
6:50 pm
When the election dust finally settles, President-Elect Romney will emerge with a very convincing win. And I will rejoice . . .
As LBB says, “Vote American”!
mike
November 5th, 2012
6:52 pm
Boy, wishful thinking is rampant on this blog tonight! Romney MAY get FL. He will likely get NC. He WILL NOT get VA and CO. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE he will get OH, PA, and MI. To suggest that Romney will get WI and/or NH is beyond ludicrous. I hope you have plenty of meds on hand.
econgal
November 5th, 2012
6:52 pm
Think we will have a Dewey defeats Truman situation. Zogby and Gallup quit polling and have not been back up since the Hurricane. They warned about polls not being accurate going into election day. In our highly Democratic State, the Republican won most of the election on the schools the kids pick the President. By a slim margin, but a win nonetheless.
td
November 5th, 2012
6:53 pm
mike
November 5th, 2012
5:58 pm
If Romney wins tomorrow, it will mean that there are more old, white people and rednecks than there are educated white people, blacks, and Hispanics. It’s just that simple.
Wrong. If Obama wins it will mean that he carries suburban white married women with children and Catholics.
BIllroubanis
November 5th, 2012
6:54 pm
The Redskins rule clearly says Obama shall win. During even-numbered centuries both results go the same way–if the Skins win, so does the incumbent, That way there are always en even number of winners in DC(either 2 or 0), to match the even-numbered 20th Century, which incidentally also has the digits 2 and 0 in its makeup.. During the odd-numbered centuries, the Skins do the opposite of the incumbent, so that there can be only one winner, which is an odd number. Proof: Bush won in ‘04.
If you believe any of this crap you need to get your head examined. Hopefully they’ll find what the problem is and correct it, and maybe you’ll become smart enough to never again vote for a CEO of a Venture Capitalist firm as president of a country that needs JOBS. But it will probably be too late for the country by then….
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November 5th, 2012
6:55 pm
econgal
Gallup is back. Romney plus 1. Before Sandy they had Romney plus 5.
td
November 5th, 2012
6:55 pm
mike
November 5th, 2012
6:52 pm
Boy, wishful thinking is rampant on this blog tonight! Romney MAY get FL. He will likely get NC. He WILL NOT get VA and CO. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE he will get OH, PA, and MI. To suggest that Romney will get WI and/or NH is beyond ludicrous. I hope you have plenty of meds on hand.
I will bet that you also said Rick Scott would be defeated in the recall election and probably was one of the ones that said Barnes was going to beat Deal.
mike
November 5th, 2012
6:55 pm
Child, Please: “Insanity=Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.”
Oh, how right you are! Voting for Republicans to return to the George W. Bush era is not only the definition of insanity, it is the epitome of right-wing idiocy.
Forrest
November 5th, 2012
6:56 pm
If there is truly any justice, Romney will win.
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November 5th, 2012
6:58 pm
td
Let me guess, you follow Dick Morris and Michael Barone.
mike
November 5th, 2012
6:59 pm
I know one thing. And that one thing is for sure. There are going to be a lot of despondent right wingers come Wednesday. I predict that business for psychiatrists will increase exponentially. As well as Korean massage parlors!
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
7:00 pm
Obama Campaign to Supporters: Don’t Panic Over Early Exit Polls
http://politicker.com/2012/11/obama-campaign-to-supporters-dont-panic-over-early-exit-polls/
Tealiban Party
November 5th, 2012
7:01 pm
mike
November 5th, 2012
4:24 pm
Kyle, if your “gut” tells you all of that, you may have a salmonella infection. The only way President Barack Obama could lose this election is if it is rigged by the Republicans.
I thought I got some good laughs on Galloway’s blog about the Woodstock Retirement Community anti-riot mobilization, but this takes the cake Mike. Hilarious.
td
November 5th, 2012
7:01 pm
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November 5th, 2012
6:58 pm
More Karl Rove but Morris has been in the polling business for a longtime and Barone has been analyzing elections for a long time.
Mr. Snarky
November 5th, 2012
7:04 pm
Kyle, sounds like your gut engages in wishful thinking. Sort of like W on Iraq. We shall see.
If Romney does win, I’ll be curious which version shows up.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
7:05 pm
“My warning, we need to stay calm for much of the day,” Stephanie Cutter, Mr. Obama’s deputy campaign manager, said, touting thousands of early ballots already submitted by voters. “We’ve already banked a pretty big portion of our vote.”
And yet Dem early voter turnout is less than 2008 and Republican early voting in 2012. Not a good sign IMO.
mike
November 5th, 2012
7:08 pm
“They’ll welcome us with open arms!”
“The oil revenues will pay for the war.”
cc
November 5th, 2012
7:10 pm
td:
Get a real good look at these Obama supporters’ screen names: you won’t be seeing them again after the election is over and Romney has won. We’ll have to get used to a whole new bunch of libtards’ screen names. Oh, the moaning, groaning and b#tching we’ll have to read through . . .
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
7:12 pm
I predict that the polls will be rendered meaningless for this election, and likely the next one as well.
The methodologies being used are with land lines (which are disappearing) and also do not take into effect early voting.
Add to that, the mainstream polls are using a model (in many cases) with a higher turnout of Democrats than turned out in 2008. The “enthusiasm gap” between McCain and Obama does not exist in 2012 with Romney and Obama. In fact, larger crowds are greeting Romney at every even, and Obama’s crowds with Bruce Springsteen are drawing anemic responses.
The President looks, moves and sounds tired. In some instances, he sounds resigned, citing that this is his last campaign no matter what that is causing it. Or, could it be he sees the writing on the wall with his internals? Romney, on the other hand, sounds energized and upbeat. He’s added two more campaign stops on Tuesday in Ohio and Pittsburgh.
The early returns on the East Coast will tell it all. If Romney wins FL, NC and VA, we’re in for a long night of watching OH, CO, PA and WI. If Romney loses any one of those three eastern states, we can all go to bed early. If Romney wins PA in addition to the first three, it’s all over.
I still maintain that it will be less than 20 electoral votes between the winner and loser. That will be thrown out the window if Romney wins PA. And given the early absentee voting in OH and demographic changes, I just don’t see a path for Obama to win that state.
Either way, I will not be surprised with either outcome, just pleasantly surprised if it is Romney.
Ed Snack
November 5th, 2012
7:13 pm
Mike, the only way Obama can win it is if the Democrat machine can find enough dead and unqualified voters to make up for all the swinging votes who are swinging away from them. And they are trying !
screwed either way
November 5th, 2012
7:15 pm
my gut tells me the fraudulent votes will all be cast for the socialist U.N. agenda 21 supporting Kenyan.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
7:15 pm
Obama Campaign to Supporters: Don’t Panic Over Early Exit Polls
What they mean, Stephanson is that they can’t tell their supporters about all those bags of ballots that will not surface until Wed. The unions in places like Nevaduh and Pennsylvania have been putting in OT, getting those votes ready.
So, don’t get discouraged Dems, we have been preparing for 4 years for any unpleasant happenstances.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
November 5th, 2012
7:17 pm
In a way it doesn’t matter if Obama is re-elected. The House will stay Repub, they will NEVER work with him. I’m assuming that the Senate remains Democratic also. Back to square one. What happens when China decides to stop lending us money. My understanding is we spend one trillion more than we take in. That’s why a businessman is our best hope?
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
7:23 pm
As Ohio Counts, So Waits the Nation
“If the presidential election goes into “overtime” — if no winner is known on Wednesday morning after the election — the culprits may be procrastinating absentee voters in Ohio. If it goes on beyond that with no decision, it may be due to lawyers from both parties’ fighting trench warfare over individual ballots in a bloody recount. It could easily happen in other states, but the danger of an “overtime” election is perhaps greatest in Ohio.
This year for the first time, Ohio officials mailed every registered voter in the state an application for an absentee ballot. A total of 1.3 million applications flooded in, and to date some 1.1 million, or 85 percent, have been returned. But many of the rest won’t be mailed before the election. So what if the voters who failed to send in their absentee ballots show up at their polling places on Tuesday asking to vote?
They will be allowed to, but only by provisional ballot in order to make sure they don’t vote twice.
…By law, none of those provisional ballots can be opened and counted for ten days — until November 17…”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332461/ohio-counts-so-waits-nation-john-fund#
Hillbilly D
November 5th, 2012
7:38 pm
Here’s my prediction (even though nobody asked):
You’ve got your true believers on both sides, who’ll vote for their candidate. Most of the rest will either hold their nose and vote for Obama or hold their nose and vote for Romney. Whichever camp can get the most nose-holders is the one that will win.
And while I’m answering questions that nobody asked, I’m voting against Amendment 2. It’s the perfect opportunity for somebody to lock their buddy into a 20 year lease before anybody realizes what is going on. Can’t/won’t happen you say……
More than 10 years ago, the Jackson County Board of Commissioners wanted to build a new courthouse, but they were held back by a provision in the state constitution that said local governments could not issue bonded indebtedness without first getting voter approval in a referendum.
Jackson County voters turned down the bond proposal in a referendum, so the commissioners took another approach. They drafted a lease-purchase arrangement to have a new courthouse built, then approved it without holding another referendum.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/archives/74595/
Del
November 5th, 2012
7:43 pm
What we’ve seen is a hodge podge of various polls both state and national. The two polls that are both full time professional polling organizations are Gallup and Rasmussen. I place my trust in those two polls that show a very tight race. The fat lady will only start warming up late tomorrow evening.
Del
November 5th, 2012
7:45 pm
Oh and BTW…I’m projecting Romney/Ryan in a landslide.
iggy
November 5th, 2012
7:46 pm
George Will sees it as 321 Romney and 217 for The Grand Poobah. My money rides Mr Wills prediction.
However and as Gordon Solie said oh so often…”That remains to be seen.”
Im gonna be watching PA…if PA goes Red early you can look to other “swingers” to follow suit.
Romney takes FL, VA, NC and CO…Agreed.
td
November 5th, 2012
7:46 pm
Hillbilly D
November 5th, 2012
7:38 pm
“And while I’m answering questions that nobody asked, I’m voting against Amendment 2. It’s the perfect opportunity for somebody to lock their buddy into a 20 year lease before anybody realizes what is going on. Can’t/won’t happen you say……”
We are in agreement on this point. I also voted NO on this amendment as well as amendment 1.
Old timer
November 5th, 2012
7:47 pm
Though I hate it…I believe Obama will prevail and we will spend 4 more years without a budget.
iggy
November 5th, 2012
7:47 pm
And as Mr Spock so often says…”The needs of the Americans outway the needs of the democrats.”
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
7:47 pm
You cons writing that Pennsylvania is in play, kill me.
Where do you come up with this crazy stuff?
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
7:48 pm
Barack Obama and the paradox behind his African American support base
The ascent of the first black president has coincided with a steep descent in the economic fortunes of black Americans. But that hasn’t impeded their outward optimism about Obama
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/03/obama-african-americans-paradox
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
7:49 pm
I don’t think Kyle is so courageous with his “prediction”. He tells us that the polls favor Obama. Then he tells us his “gut” favors Romney. Of course his gut tells him that. First, his gut is his desire speaking. Second, calling this election for Obama, win or lose, he loses face among his rabid right following.
That said, I like Kyle Wingfield a lot. Can’t agree with much he says, but I respect his attempt to divine logic from fantasy.
td
November 5th, 2012
7:51 pm
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
7:47 pm
You cons writing that Pennsylvania is in play, kill me.
Where do you come up with this crazy stuff?
Same way that Georgia turned red. The suburbs of Philadelphia go red with all the rural areas of the state. It is plausible but maybe a little unlikely. Better chance for Wis since Rick Scott won the recall election and his turnout machine for that election is working for Romney now.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
7:51 pm
I’m sure Republicans will question their choice of Romney as their candidate within 3 years. The man they detested until the rest of the field revealed itself to be a laughingstock.
Hillbilly D
November 5th, 2012
7:54 pm
td @ 7:46
I almost never vote for an amendment to the Georgia Constitution. They’re nearly always a pig in a poke.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
7:56 pm
td @ 7:51 – or the fact that the polls have gone from Obama +12 (or more) down to +3 (within margin of error) over the last 6 months. It’s now considered a toss-up.
td
November 5th, 2012
7:57 pm
Hillbilly D
November 5th, 2012
7:54 pm
td @ 7:46
I almost never vote for an amendment to the Georgia Constitution. They’re nearly always a pig in a poke.
Agree again. I think I might have voted for 2 or 3 local splost that have been totally explained ahead of time. I do not think I have voted for one Constitutional amendment in 25 years of voting.
UGA ECONOMICS MAJOR
November 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
OBAMA WINS!!WHO NOT RICH AND WORTH 6 MILLION AND UP WOULD VOTE FOR ROMNEY WHOM WANTS TO BE JUST PRESIDENT OF ONLY 53%OF FOLKS IN THE COUNTRY WHILE THE 47%ARE ON THEIR OWN??WHAT WOMAN WOULD VOTE FOR HIM THAT HAS GOOD SENSE??ROMNEY HAS NO IDEA WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE POOR OR MIDDLE CLASS HE CANT FEEL YOUR PAIN…
td
November 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
7:56 pm
td @ 7:51 – or the fact that the polls have gone from Obama +12 (or more) down to +3 (within margin of error) over the last 6 months. It’s now considered a toss-up.
I agree but I just have a hard time believing in a win since it seems to look like PA is in play every four years. Could be different since a great deal of the youth have moved out of the state and it is the oldest state in the nation now.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
And don’t underestimate the “coal vote”…..
November surprise: EPA planning major post-election anti-coal regulation
“President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency has devoted an unprecedented number of bureaucrats to finalizing new anti-coal regulations that are set to be released at the end of November, according to a source inside the EPA.
More than 50 EPA staff are now crashing to finish greenhouse gas emission standards that would essentially ban all construction of new coal-fired power plants. Never before have so many EPA resources been devoted to a single regulation. The independent and non-partisan Manhattan Institute estimates that the EPA’s greenhouse gas coal regulation will cost the U.S. economy $700 billion.
The rush is a major sign of panic by environmentalists inside the Obama administration. If Obama wins, the EPA would have another four full years to implement their anti-fossil fuel agenda. But if Romney wins, regulators will have a very narrow window to enact a select few costly regulations that would then be very hard for a President Romney to undo.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/november-surprise-epa-planning-major-post-election-anti-coal-regulation/article/2512538#.UJhg2288CSq
splavistic
November 5th, 2012
7:59 pm
Your reasoning is weaker than a bucket of day old spit. Mind vs. gut. Pshaw. Obama is going to win, and I’ve been predicting that since last year. Just look at the prediction (i.e. betting) markets. The odds would send many a bookie to the bottom of a river if Romney wins. LOL.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:00 pm
“Where do you come up with this crazy stuff?”
Unlike you, we use data.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:02 pm
UGA Economics Major, please stay off the CAPS LOCK, and out of the liquor cabinet, OK?
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
8:02 pm
td @ 7:59 – True. Pennsylvania hasn’t gone red since Reagan. Closest since then was 2008 w/Kerry +2.5. Of course Obama was +10.3 in 2008….
Ed
November 5th, 2012
8:03 pm
God sent Sandy to assure 4 more years.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:03 pm
There are a lot of reasons to vote against Obama.
Too bad Romney couldn’t distinguish himself from George W. Bush, original architect of our horrendous decline.
There was a reason that America drop kicked the GOP from the Oval Office in 2008. Had they owned their failure and sought to rehabilitate their failed policies, perhaps they could have won back the electorate in 2012.
Hating on Obama is not the equivalent of transforming your party. Hence, a loss tomorrow.
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
8:05 pm
Sorry, actual results +2 for Kerry in 2004, +11 for Obama in 2008 (+5 Gore in 2000)
http://www.270towin.com/states/Pennsylvania
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
8:06 pm
“God sent Sandy to assure 4 more years.”
You mean the Katrina of the NE, at least compared to FEMA response?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 5th, 2012
8:06 pm
UGA ECONOMICS MAJOR: ROMNEY HAS NO IDEA WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE POOR
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Yes, what we need is a People-magazine reading, American-Idol-watching loser of a President to go along with our loser parasite citizenry. Whoever promises the most free stuff paid for by the productive wins.
You’re pathetic, as are your Democrat fellow travelers.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:07 pm
“There was a reason that America drop kicked the GOP from the Oval Office in 2008. ”
A horrible candidate and a novice VP candidate?
‘Cause, if the country really despised the GOP for it’s policies and performance, it would never have come roaring back to take the House in an historic election just 2 years later.
So your analysis (or opinion) is incorrect, Cameron.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:08 pm
I don’t know….pandering to the American people by promising tax cuts across the board is pretty pathetic as well.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
8:11 pm
td
It is Scott Walker, in WI and Rick Scott in FL.
UGA Econ Major, better switch to education or forestry, doesn’t appear you have much chance in Econ, unless the Terry School of Business has really lowered their standards.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:12 pm
“I don’t know….pandering to the American people by promising tax cuts across the board is pretty pathetic as well.”
So what do you call the payroll tax cut, Cameron? Wasn’t that across the board?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 5th, 2012
8:12 pm
Tax cuts across the board? Isn’t that what Obozo signed off on after getting whupped in 2010?
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:12 pm
Tiberius, you know and I know that Democrats NEVER turn out the vote when the Presidency is not on the line. 2008 was overwhelmingly a referendum on the failure of the GOP as the nation was slipping precariously into a depression. 2010 was the result of a vociferous right goading its constituents into blaming Obama for the mess.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:15 pm
So on the one hand, you rail against Obama, the socialist Marxist, and on the other, you admit that he cut taxes. How many sides does your mouth have, anyway?
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
8:16 pm
Why does Obama hate NJ and NY?
Here’s a video calling attention to how President Obama abandoned those who are recovering from Hurricane Sandy to go back on the campaign trail:
http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/video-sandy-victims-beg-help_660345.html
Look before I leap...
November 5th, 2012
8:16 pm
Proof positive that listening to right-wing talk radio causes brain damage:
from Edward Gibbon:
“The South are not rednecks and do reflect the rest of the country. California, Illinois, New York, Maryland and Massachusetts are out of step (and going broke, just a coincidence, no doubt) because they are filled with people who depend directly on the fed gov, overeducated idiots who can’t even dress themselves and arrogant jerks. Really smart people have left or are leaving those sinkholes.”
from 2010:
State Ranking for per capita GDP (and how the states went in 2008 for EV):
CA 12th (Blue)
MD 13th (Blue)
IL 15th (Blue)
MA 6th (Blue)
NY 7th (Blue)
GA 35th (Red)
Five of the bottom 11 would be considered southern states.
TN (Red)
AR (Red)
AL (Red)
SC (Red)
MS (Red)
The other states in the bottom 11 are all red states with the single exception of MI.
Put this is the category of things that make you go hmmmm.
My boo
November 5th, 2012
8:16 pm
The teavangicals are about to learn a biblical lesson. Love defeats hate every time. God bless the USA and Prez Obama!
mike
November 5th, 2012
8:16 pm
EVERYBODY’S HERE! Welcome to the land of wishful thinking! Let’s all polish up our spin machines for tomorrow night. OK, everybody! Repeat after me: ROMNEY’S GOING TO WIN! ROMNEY’S GOING TO WIN! ROMNEY’S GOING TO WIN! If that fails, you might try a few incantations. SOMETIMES that helps. What a pathetic farce!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 5th, 2012
8:16 pm
No one blamed Obozo for the Dodd-Frank recession. Americans blamed him for his failed, idiotic, Marxist response.
$800 billion and unemployment higher today than when he took office.
Fail.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:17 pm
And if you think that the GOP lost in 2008 because of a LOUSY candidate and a NOVICE vice president, you obviously are too involved in your own party to see it objectively.
Palin was the darling of the tea party until the GOP grew tired of her embarrassing them….THIS YEAR.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:18 pm
“So on the one hand, you rail against Obama, the socialist Marxist, and on the other, you admit that he cut taxes.”
And who are you addressing that to?
Cane89
November 5th, 2012
8:19 pm
Even as an Aftrican American man, I hope President Obaman does not win re-election; our economy is at a stand still and not getting any better. I am fortunate (blessed) to have used my God given talents to earn income sufficient enough to make charitable contributions and still pay too much money in federal taxes. Like Romney, if I given 30% of my income to charities that I support; the federal government should not ask me to pay more than others who make less to pay. To put the burden of the Nation of those who sacrifice, take more risks, and use their God given talents to earn an income for their families is wrong (both morally and spritually). Stop tyring to make everyone the same and applaud those who are favored and charitable.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:19 pm
I always get a chuckle when someone blames minority Congressmen for the demise of our nation. As if they didn’t need the GOP to pass the legislation, or the President not to veto it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:19 pm
“Tiberius, you know and I know that Democrats NEVER turn out the vote when the Presidency is not on the line.”
2000 and 2004 would say that you are very, very wrong, Cameron.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:23 pm
“And if you think that the GOP lost in 2008 because of a LOUSY candidate and a NOVICE vice president, you obviously are too involved in your own party to see it objectively.”
First, you need to learn something about me. I’m not a Republican. In fact, I usually vote Libertarian or None of the Above in Presidential elections.
Second, a better set of candidates would have made it a much closer election than it ended up being. Obama would have still likely won, but he was blessed with McCain and Palin.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:23 pm
And an electorate too dumb to know how inexperienced and unprepared for the Presidency he actually was (and remains).
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:24 pm
That would be 2002 and 2006, Tiberius. Off-presidential election years.
And it looks like I had a Kyle moment. My gut told me that Dems have lost consistently in these elections, but the reality differs. My bad.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:27 pm
Sorry, Tiberius. Didn’t realize you weren’t a partisan. I don’t think much of Democrats, but I have no stomach for Republicans. In other words, I live my life in a perpetual state of political misery.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:28 pm
“I always get a chuckle when someone blames minority Congressmen for the demise of our nation. As if they didn’t need the GOP to pass the legislation, or the President not to veto it.”
You need to brush up on your Congressional history, Cameron.
The House was in Democrat hands beginning in 2006. That means that “minority” congressman was Chairman of the House Banking committee for two years before the recession hit (blocking requested reforms of Fannie and Freddie, btw) and Dodd was a member of the Democrat majority party in the Senate as well – doing the same thing on that side of the aisle.
political arsonist
November 5th, 2012
8:29 pm
you are getting almost funny as noot. oh yeah, you voted for the chubby moon man
Stephenson Billings
November 5th, 2012
8:30 pm
As always, it will come down to turnout. If the Dem/Republican turnout is about 35/35 or close to it and Romney just gets half of the projected independent vote he’s polling to get, he’ll win in a landslide.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
8:30 pm
Look before you leap
You and Finn are always castigating the red states.
My theory is, the difference is in the Democrat portion of these states, the GOP portion is about the same. Have you ever considered that the difference in income and education may be that our Dems are poorer and less educated than the Dems in the blue states. Blue states have more Dems, obviously they are blue, but a better paid more educated class of Dems(union folk), red states just have more government dole uneducated Dems.
The difference being poorer schools, less value put on education, and less unions equal less income for the uneducated.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:30 pm
“Sorry, Tiberius. Didn’t realize you weren’t a partisan.”
Oh, I’m a partisan, Cameron, just not one tied to a particular party. I’m a social liberal and a fiscal conservative who would like nothing better than the smallest government possible.
td
November 5th, 2012
8:32 pm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
8:11 pm
td
It is Scott Walker, in WI and Rick Scott in FL.
You are correct. Thank you for the correction.
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
8:35 pm
“The House was in Democrat hands beginning in 2006.”
100% false
The election of 2006 took place in November, which is the next to the last month of the year. That lead to the House changing hands in Jan 07.
Might be best for you to look at Congressional history before calling out others to do the same.
What else can I assist you with this evening?
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:35 pm
Tiberius
Not to ask you to condense your politics in 50 words or less, but how can one be socially liberal and fiscally conservative? Being socially liberal….costs….money.
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
8:37 pm
The 2006 United States House of Representatives elections were held on November 7, 2006 to elect members to the United States House of Representatives. All of the 435 seats in the House were up for election. Those elected served in the 110th United States Congress from January 3, 2007 until January 3, 2009. The incumbent majority party, the Republican Party had controlled the house since the 1994 election and were defeated by the Democrats who won a majority in the House ending 12 years in opposition.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 5th, 2012
8:39 pm
Being socially liberal….costs….money.
Candid, not true. It costs nothing to leave people alone, socially liberal people only want the government out of their life. I am one as well.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:41 pm
Pardon me for getting my dates wrong Count Down (I meant the election of 2006).
You can stop being a butt-hole now.
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
8:42 pm
Tiberius
Guess you never read your own posts.
You reply as you wish and I will do the same.
Your welcome.
Candid Cameron
November 5th, 2012
8:43 pm
What happens to America if the trend towards the erosion of the middle class continues, and wealth continues to elevate to the few? Are the resulting poor SOL?
Just asking.
michelle
November 5th, 2012
8:44 pm
thanks kyle! Romney will win tomorrow!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:45 pm
“Not to ask you to condense your politics in 50 words or less, but how can one be socially liberal and fiscally conservative? Being socially liberal….costs….money.”
Nope, not if your small government belief is primary. But in 50 words or less:
I will never try to take your life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud, and simply ask you to do me the same favor. Abort or don’t, marry or don’t – I don’t care. Just leave me and my paycheck and lifestyle (as boring as it is) alone.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
8:54 pm
“What happens to America if the trend towards the erosion of the middle class continues, and wealth continues to elevate to the few? Are the resulting poor SOL?”
Two points:
First, on the erosion of the middle class. Government statistics on poverty show that the percentage of people living in poverty hovers between 13% and 18%, and has since the advent of the Great Society enacted by LBJ. That means that untold trillions of dollars have been spent on the poor to elevate them out of poverty and the result is – no real change. So if the middle class is, indeed, shrinking, where did they go? Not lower, as the government even says they didn’t.
The only other direction is – UP.
To your second point, the resulting poor have a safety net that isn’t going to go away, despite what liberals and Obama supporters say. And frankly, given the relative standard of living of the poor in the US vs. the poor in other countries, the poor here aren’t as bad off as many think. Don’t get me wrong; they aren’t living the life of Reilly, but they’re not at death’s door, either.
My issue is with the unfettered expansion of the safety net. People need to try every non-government solution first before heading to the government for support, but it’s the other way around and has been trending in the wrong direction for decades. That needs to stop.
Tyler
November 5th, 2012
8:54 pm
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sixfootgirl
November 5th, 2012
9:02 pm
Thank you for a thoughtful column. It’s so nice to read measured commentary.
I agree with many of your assessments, except your conclusion. I think Sandy, the Bloomberg endorsement and the bi-partisan showing in New Jersey may have stirred a huge group of apathetic, or maybe I should say resigned, potential voters. I think Obama may win by as big a margin as before.
And I think Alabama will crush Georgia if it comes to a showdown in December!
Del
November 5th, 2012
9:04 pm
My boo, sounds like you’re defecating in one hand while wishing in the other. Rub your hands together tomorrow evening to find what you might have all over your wishes. Good luck.
Del
November 5th, 2012
9:06 pm
Believe in America, believe in NOBAMA.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 5th, 2012
9:06 pm
Sixfootgirl, why do you believe that an endorsement of the mayor of NYC would have any effect outside of NY?
Del
November 5th, 2012
9:09 pm
Bloomturd’s endorsement of Obama isn’t likely to have any effect on the national election.
Progressive Humanist
November 5th, 2012
9:12 pm
Kyle shows his true conservative stripes- he makes his pick not on the evidence in front of him but instead on what he wants the outcome to be. And I had thought he was not quite as divorced from reality as the ignorant masses who are his party’s base. Yes, he tiptoed around the issue and equivocated, but he chose to reject reason and side with unsubstantiated opinion. Maybe he actually does have a future in conservative punditry.
godawgs82
November 5th, 2012
9:13 pm
Count on it. Romney gets at least 300 electoral votes.
Everyone who voted for McCain votes Romney.
Not everyone who voted Obama votes for Obama again. And some who voted for Obama won’t vote for either candidate (ie won’t vote at all). Guaranteed.
jconservative
November 5th, 2012
9:15 pm
Kyle – “My gut tells me Romney picks up North Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Colorado and at least one of Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania — and will become the 45th president of the United States.”
Kyle I would say your “heart”, not your gut, is picking Romney.
But truthfully, it is to close to call.
I have been playing with the RealClear poll averages for a few weeks. The move toward Romney I was seeing is now gone. Obama is up in 8 of the 12 states I am following. And there is no movement in the last 4 days. The numbers just sit there unchanged.
Romney will not carry any of “Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania”. He may lose Colorado also. But even without Colorado I have Obama with 281 EVs with a strong possibility of losing New Hampshire which would still give him 277 EVs.
I am Catholic and we Catholics need Romney to win. But it appears Obama will win and we will need to win the several dozen lawsuits already filed. SCOTUS we are on the way!
Count Down
November 5th, 2012
9:15 pm
“Real wages” in regards to the middle class wages have been stagnant for numerous years.
Anyone pointing to one party is not really thinking.
cc
November 5th, 2012
9:21 pm
Del@7:45 pm:
You and I are on the same page. Romney will win, and he will win BIG! I really am looking forward to getting the first decent night’s sleep Wednesday night that I will have had since November, 2008.
JKL2
November 5th, 2012
9:27 pm
For those voting for love of country instead of for revenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsa4uLmTw0M
cc
November 5th, 2012
9:28 pm
“I think Sandy, the Bloomberg endorsement and the bi-partisan showing in New Jersey may have stirred a huge group of apathetic, or maybe I should say resigned, potential voters. I think Obama may win by as big a margin as before”
Oh, yeah, New York and New Jersey are really states that are considered “in play”! No one outside of New Jersey and New York give a rat’s rear end what Bloomblossom and a bi-partisan New Jersey thinks or does.
roswell mom
November 5th, 2012
9:30 pm
Tiber – Yes, some people are relatively poor and the percentage hasn’t changed all that much. Of course, the definition of “poor” changes over time, so you’re pretty much going to have the bottom 15% being the bottom 15% no matter how much or little they earn. What has changed greatly over time is the percentage of total income going to the top 1% of households. These are the people that whine that the government wants too much from them because they’re creating all these jobs and are so good for society. If life is so unfair for them, why are the rich getting richer at a faster rate in the USA than in any other first world country?
teaching taxpayer
November 5th, 2012
9:32 pm
Kyle, I hope your conclusions are proven incorrect, but I respect your honesty in telling how you derived them. Right now, we’re all guessing who will win. Anybody who says otherwise is selling snake oil.
roswell mom
November 5th, 2012
9:32 pm
Chippy Mitt waiting for good things in Missouri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMD02zU9SE
zeke
November 5th, 2012
9:39 pm
Hope you are correct, Kyle! Another 4 years of this idiot coupled with Pelosi and Reid might just end this grand experiment!!!!
My boo
November 5th, 2012
9:40 pm
Why can’t Mitt screw in a light bulb? He can’t decide which way to turn.
My boo
November 5th, 2012
9:45 pm
What does Ann wear to get Mitt in the mood? A pink slip.
jconservative
November 5th, 2012
9:49 pm
Nate Silver is out with his day before prediction:
Obama with 314 EVs and Romney with 224. Obama with a 91.4% chance of winning.
The question on the table if Romney loses is “How?”
ODD OWL
November 5th, 2012
10:08 pm
When Mittens Romney made those disparaging remarks about the 47th %, Little did Romney know that he was prophesying the percentage of votes that he will win tomorrow, 47%… Forward !!!
ODD OWL
November 5th, 2012
10:12 pm
Just for the record, its Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid…
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
10:15 pm
I really am looking forward to getting the first decent night’s sleep Wednesday night that I will have had since November, 2008.
Which might just explain the collective and perpetually enraged right wing hysteria and delusions!
My advice for you neocons – anti-depressants and lots of sleeping pills!
But also be good to yourselves! And treat yourselves to a new fainting couch after tomorrow night!
Jane
November 5th, 2012
10:17 pm
Why do liberals hate rich people?
JamVet
November 5th, 2012
10:19 pm
Why does Jane hate liberals?
Jane
November 5th, 2012
10:38 pm
I dont hate liberals. Just do not understand how they think. If Obama is relected the national debt is surely to comtinue to go up and up. How do Obama supporters think this money is going to be paid back? Obama believes he can solve the problem by raising taxes on the rich but that will not even start to pay what he is spending. Obama is going to bankrupt this country if he hasnt already.
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
10:42 pm
Jane
November 5th, 2012
10:38 pm
I dont hate liberals. Just do not understand how they think. If Obama is relected the national debt is surely to comtinue to go up and up.
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Why? We have already put those two wars you Republicans put on credit card in the bill pile and are paying for them. Obama didn’t start any more. We have already put that unfunded drug mandate that Bush didn’t pay for on the books and are paying for it. We ARE paying off Bush’s mistakes and aren’t adding new ones. What is so hard for your tiny little mind to understand?
iggy
November 5th, 2012
10:43 pm
” Obama is going to bankrupt this country if he hasnt already.”
Thats the intent. “Tear out the bottom, then the entire house crashes”
MarkV
November 5th, 2012
10:44 pm
“Just do not understand how they think. If Obama is relected the national debt is surely to comtinue to go up and up.”
Apparently it is easier to understand Romney’s plan to cut taxes 20%, thus losing 4.8 trillion in tax revenue over 10 years, and add to that additional trillions of unnecessary defense spending, and not have the national debt go up and up.
Eleanor Eisenberg
November 5th, 2012
10:45 pm
I hope you’re right, Kyle…but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
All the early voting has been real heavy this year, and the great majority has been because the Democratic Party (and Black churches, in many areas) have made real pushes to get Democratic voters to the polls. (That’s one reason there has been so many lawsuits demanding early voting…gives them time to get more of their voters to cast votes.)
Also, Hurricane Sandy was a huge swing in the momentum. President Obama got to campaign by just doing his job…all the while claiming NOT to be campaigning. That’s one huge advantage of being the incumbemt…remember Bush at Ground Zero? Plus, that immediately transformed all FEMA money into Obama campaign funds.
And I think this is going to be one election where the Electoral College actually helps the Democrats. I think that Obama is going to carry a few key states by razor-thin margins, and the “winner take all” system will help him. If all states used the “congressional district aportionment” system for casting electoral votes (like Nebrasks and Maine), no election so far would have been different, although the final totals would have been slightly different. But this election might well be the first one that the “winner take all” system for electoral votes makes a huge difference.
md
November 5th, 2012
10:45 pm
One has to like the very first post on this topic……if the other side wins, it’s because they cheated.
I suspect we will hear quite a bit of that regardless of which side wins, but it sure didn’t strike me as being full of confidence……
My boo
November 5th, 2012
10:50 pm
Community organizer 2, Raving lunatics 0
Jane
November 5th, 2012
10:58 pm
Judging by the answers I got to the question about how Liberals think, yall dont know why ur voting for Obama other than the fact he will better than the alternative. Yall cant tell me the reasons why ur voting for Obama, just why ur not voting for Romney.
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:04 pm
ane
November 5th, 2012
10:58 pm
Judging by the answers I got to the question about how Liberals think, yall dont know why ur voting for Obama other than the fact he will better than the alternative. Yall cant tell me the reasons why ur voting for Obama, just why ur not voting for Romney.
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I CAN tell you how to spell the word *you’re*n if you ask me nicely.
Jane
November 5th, 2012
11:07 pm
And by the way, I not a Republican. I am a registered Democrat and voted for Obama 4 years ago but just cant see why anybody would want to put Obama back in the White House after the last 4 years. He is a joke.
iggy
November 5th, 2012
11:08 pm
Heres how liberals think.
Address the symptom of the problem by tossing more dollars at it. Not solve the problem.
We are all good, we are all the same, we all should have the same house, auto, health insurance, clothes etc.
Damn the USA and its constitution for surrender to the UN.
Those are just a few…
Sick of Progs
November 5th, 2012
11:18 pm
My boo
November 5th, 2012
10:50 pm
Community organizer 2, Raving lunatics 0
Marxist Commie 0, Sensible people 2
Master (de)Bater
November 5th, 2012
11:19 pm
Fred @ 10:42 pm
“Jane
November 5th, 2012
10:38 pm
I dont hate liberals. Just do not understand how they think. If Obama is relected the national debt is surely to comtinue to go up and up.
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Why? We have already put those two wars you Republicans put on credit card in the bill pile and are paying for them. Obama didn’t start any more. We have already put that unfunded drug mandate that Bush didn’t pay for on the books and are paying for it. We ARE paying off Bush’s mistakes and aren’t adding new ones. What is so hard for your tiny little mind to understand?”
See, and what’s amazing, Fred, is that despite all that stuff being arguably true, yet Obama STILL spent more, as if THAT would solve the spending problem? Not only does your response not answer Jane’s question, it actually also validates her point. Well done!
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:21 pm
Jane
November 5th, 2012
11:07 pm
And by the way, I not a Republican. I am a registered Democrat and voted for Obama 4 years ago but just cant see why anybody would want to put Obama back in the White House after the last 4 years. He is a joke.
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RIGHT……………………….
What State do you live in? You aren’t a sock puppet lol you are a pantyhose puppet. Apparently one with an airless crotch…….
ODD OWL
November 5th, 2012
11:23 pm
If non rich Americans wish to have a safe, happy and prosperous future, they should vote Democrat and join a Union… Give the Democrats the tools they need to repair what the Republicans have screwed up… The Democrats need a huge majority in the House, a filibuster proof super majority in the Senate and re-elect President Obama in a historic landslide… Share the wealth, tax the rich, pay down the debt…
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:24 pm
See, and what’s amazing, Fred, is that despite all that stuff being arguably true, yet Obama STILL spent more, as if THAT would solve the spending problem? Not only does your response not answer Jane’s question, it actually also validates her point. Well done!
And here we see the talk radio indoctrinated mind. The part of your mind that WANTS to be free tells you the truth, thta what Isaid was true. But then the dumbass part kicks in. Somehow paying Bush’s debts make them Obama’s.
Really? Were you sober when you wrote that? Please tell me you weren’t. I’d much rather think you are drunk than know you are stupid……..
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:25 pm
Come on guy’s He is backed by President Clinton & General Colin Powell what more doo you Want !!!!!!!!!!!!
Master (de)Bater
November 5th, 2012
11:25 pm
MarkV @ 10:44 pm
“Apparently it is easier to understand Romney’s plan to cut taxes 20%, thus losing 4.8 trillion in tax revenue over 10 years, and add to that additional trillions of unnecessary defense spending, and not have the national debt go up and up.”
Uh, cutting taxes does NOT necessarily cause loss of tax revenue, especially if incomes increase to make up for the lower rates. History also proves this time and again, yet you make statements ignoring its repeated lessons.
Could you cite the source quoting Mitt Romney saying he will raise military spending in the trillions of dollars, please.
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:27 pm
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:25 pm
Come on guy’s He is backed by President Clinton & General Colin Powell what more doo you Want !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lucidity from those who post?
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:31 pm
Do U Hard headed RE_____DS Remember wat they Told President Clinton in the same situation!!!!!! And do u hard heade RE____DS Remember how prosperous the economie got!!!! Need I say More!!!!!!!
Master (de)Bater
November 5th, 2012
11:34 pm
“Somehow paying Bush’s debts make them Obama’s.”
Since that was the only rational thing you said, I’ll quote the worthy part.
If ALL Mr. Obama did was pay Bush’s debts, then I’d say you were right, but that is NOT the case, and you know it! Stop ignoring all the stuff–Obamacare being the one you can’t ignore, because it is his trophy legislation–that works against your argument, because that’s the only way you can continue without it collapsing on itself.
If Jane was wrong, then why is the DEFICIT (not the debt) MUCH higher than it was? If he was any good, at least the deficit would be ROUGHLY close to what it was. It is not, and you can’t just blame Bush for that without closing your eyes to truth some.
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:34 pm
HEY Fred Call Me in 4 Years and Thank Me !!!!!!
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:37 pm
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:34 pm
HEY Fred Call Me in 4 Years and Thank Me !!!!!!
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Thank you for what? For being an insipid little asshat? Why would I think you for that? Or do you mean thank you for dumbing down America? No need to do that, I see a bunch of folks like you who can’t communicate using written English that think they are cool. I mostly see them posting on Facebook from their jobs at McDonald s………
ODD OWL
November 5th, 2012
11:41 pm
Republican debt = $11 trillion dollars, plus $500 billion a year interest x 4 years = $13 trillion dollars Republican debt… President Obama borrowed $3 trillion dollars for TARP, stimulus, auto bailout, unemployment insurance, food stamps…. Any charges that President Obama ran up a huge debt are bogus and based on ignorance and bias… The President has actually paid down the debt by $1 trillion dollars and reduced the yearly deficit by $300 billion dollars… Arrogance is ignorance matured…
ATLien
November 5th, 2012
11:43 pm
Nate silver 91% chance of Obama reelection. Lots of number crunching he was pretty accurate in 2008 and 2010. His methodology is quite solid.
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:44 pm
So u Think Romney is the SOLUTION !!!!
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:47 pm
ODD OWL
November 5th, 2012
11:41 pm
Republican debt = $11 trillion dollars, plus $500 billion a year interest x 4 years = $13 trillion dollars Republican debt… President Obama borrowed $3 trillion dollars for TARP, stimulus, auto bailout, unemployment insurance, food stamps…. Any charges that President Obama ran up a huge debt are bogus and based on ignorance and bias… The President has actually paid down the debt by $1 trillion dollars and reduced the yearly deficit by $300 billion dollars… Arrogance is ignorance matured…
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LOL Now I see why you go by Odd Owl. That statement above is definitely “odd.” Can you show any proof that President Obama paid down the debt by 1 trillion and cut the deficit by 300 million? Cause quite frankly girlfriend, all THAT is news to me………….
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:49 pm
Hey RE____ard FRed It’ s Spelled Thank Not Think !!! So Who Can’t Spell or Communicate Now!! And by the way i own Mcdonalds Stocks and they keep on climbing !!!
Fred ™
November 5th, 2012
11:52 pm
Yeah Richie, I mean Richi, you da man. U so kool. U b da b3st k00l dude in this jolnt. ur the best 4 the c4teg0ry of asshats.
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November 5th, 2012
11:53 pm
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Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:55 pm
Odd Owl U r On my Christmas LIst !!!!
Liz
November 5th, 2012
11:57 pm
What ever happens tomorrow, I hope you are not going to say you had it right, tonight, the evening before the election. I don’t think I have seen anything so well written, trying to have it both ways.
Richi Rich
November 5th, 2012
11:57 pm
Is Asshats A Redneck Thing !!!!
Fred ™
November 6th, 2012
12:00 am
No Richi, it’s a computer thing. I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.
Computers B different than texting…………..
Fred ™
November 6th, 2012
12:02 am
Thyme 4 u 2 call victory Richi, I’m going 2 b3d.
iggy
November 6th, 2012
12:02 am
“Share the wealth, tax the rich…”
Straight communism and no doubt from the likes of Lowery, Bookman, Reid, Jackson, Spelman, Rev Wright, Pelosi etc…
Patty
November 6th, 2012
12:04 am
You know, I hate all the crap being flung between both parties. Obama did this; Romney said that. What happened to civil disagreement; the art of respecting each other enough to agree to disagree. Libs screaming at the conservatives; Conservatives screaming right back. Voting is a respected right, not a Falcon’s football game!
Before people start flinging accusations back and forth, let me just make it simple–both sides(Repubs and Demos) are at fault. There’s a great many intelligent people on both sides–as well as a great deal of stupidity and arrogance.
JKL2
November 6th, 2012
12:04 am
richi rich- So u Think Romney is the SOLUTION !!!!
No, but my cat’s display more leadership ability than obama. I would say barack would come in fourth if you rated the obama family on leadership ability.
You already have a joke in your hand, we don’t need one in the White House.
Chris Salzmann
November 6th, 2012
12:08 am
The bottom line is, who would you like to be going into this election? Obama or Romney? Who has more paths to victory? If you can answer that truthfully, then you know who’s going to win.
Romney’s campaign is beginning to crack and sounding increasingly desperate. The Jeep ad about jobs going to China was such a blatant lie that Chrysler stepped in to debunk it. Ryan claiming today that Obama threatens “christian values”. Ann Romney is looking more strained than usual.
My prediction is that Obama wins this by at least 280-290 votes. Likely to be some upside to that.
Richi Rich
November 6th, 2012
12:11 am
Patty U Hit it at the heart of it all !!!! U R right we needed leadership at both ends!!! Now The question is who do we go with for the future of our great country !!!!
Richi Rich
November 6th, 2012
12:12 am
Goodnight Fred !!!
Richi Rich
November 6th, 2012
12:18 am
Enter your comments here
Xavera
November 6th, 2012
12:23 am
R’s who might be tempted to sit out today’s election because of (fill in blank) need to remember that the next president likely will have the opportunity to fill two or three Supreme Court vacancies in the next four years. Amazing we didn’t hear more about that during the campaign.
Ty
November 6th, 2012
12:29 am
I think your gut is correct. Finally, America will be on a path to prosperity. Total repudiation of Obama’s social agenda. Mitt Romney, a man of integrity that invisions a path to unite us.
I’m embracing the idea of a business leader sleeping in the Nation’s House.
The liberal ideas sound good in theory, but when pencil meets paper the numbers inevitably never add up. Ask yourself this question: How can we sustain a viable economy if half of the country is paying the way for the other half? Never works! Never!
ODD OWL
November 6th, 2012
1:09 am
The Republicans in the battleground states don’t think that voting is a Constitutional right… The Re-puk-licans in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Penn are making it as hard as possible for Democrats to vote… Haven’t you seen the long lines in these states for early voting ??? P.S. Republican-Independent candidate Gary Johnson is polling about 5% in all the battleground states… Thats bad news for Romney/Ryan…
Uncle Billy
November 6th, 2012
5:43 am
Obama wins a bigger victory than last time. 350+ electoral votes. Polls show he is trust more on the economy and foreign policy than is Romney. Also he is rated as more likable than Romney who has a “plan” which he will not reveal. I never saw how such a person could be nominated, let alone elected.
marko
November 6th, 2012
5:57 am
President Obama wants to slow the rise of the oceans was the punch line that left them laughing at the republican convention. In the days leading up to the election Mitt was closing fast. Then came Sandy. It’s funny to me that the party that claims to be so holier than thou doesn’t recognize an act of god when they see one. Not only did the storm stop Mitt’s momentum, it reversed it. Polls are good when they tell you what you want to hear, and evidently they’re lies from the pit of hell when they don’t.
One factor that could skew the polling would be an over sampling of land lines, and a corresponding under sampling of cell phones. Let’s see who has land lines? Could it be old white People? Cell phones? That would tend to be the not so old and not so white. I would think that polling inconsistences, if they exist, would tend to favor the president. However, if voters in democratic districts should suddenly find themselves attacked by hordes of locust I’ll be forced to concede that I was wrong.
Rightwing Troll
November 6th, 2012
6:22 am
Speaking of pencil and paper, did anybody ever manage to reconcile all of Mittens numbers and how he could actually pull it off?
Rightwing Troll
November 6th, 2012
6:26 am
45%-55% of the EC… who actually prevails? I dunno. Good luck to you all, and remember, whether it be President-elect Mittens or Oblama tomorrow he’s OUR president.
And quite honestly, not much will change, no matter how deeply you’ve bought into all the hyperbole.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
6:45 am
Rightwing Troll: Speaking of pencil and paper, did anybody ever manage to reconcile all of Mittens numbers and how he could actually pull it off?
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We’ve got the actual numbers from the last four years–or do you put more faith in prognostications than in reality?
$6 trillion in new debt, record numbers in poverty, and unemployment higher today than four years ago.
That’s the reality of Obozo.
cc
November 6th, 2012
7:01 am
LBB:
Add to your numbers the four Americans killed in Benghazi who were refused assistance, and Brian Terry, the U. S. Border Patrol officer killed by one of the guns from the “Fast and Furious” debacle.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
7:36 am
Hey Cons, don’t forget to vote on Wednesday!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
7:38 am
Vegas now has moved Romney from a 3-1 underdog toward a 4-1 underdog.
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner
mwuahahahahahahaha
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
7:45 am
Isn’t it nice that we still get to vote on who becomes President, rather than people who make book.
Henne
November 6th, 2012
7:46 am
Dewey didn’t defeat Truman and Romney won’t beat Obama.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
7:56 am
Barack’s post might have some value if he (or she) would stop calling people names and provide something resembling depth.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
7:59 am
So, America. Do we go with the employee with the mediocre job record but has proven he can handle any situation – both in house and out of house? Or do we can him and go with the guy with the shiny resume that is long on sparkle but shallow in details?
You decide. Sparkle or substance?
tiredofIT
November 6th, 2012
8:04 am
Watching one of Romney’s campaign speeches yesterday, I will say he displayed the passion of a 2 by 4, not a man that wants to be president. Inside, he knows it over.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:19 am
“Do we go with the employee with the mediocre job record but has proven he can handle any situation – both in house and out of house?”
Handle any situation?
Really?
Did he “handle” the debt and deficit? No.
Did he “handle” Benghazi? No.
Did he “handle” bi-partisanship? No.
Did he “handle” creating any net jobs? No.
Did he ‘handle” openness and transparency? No.
Really, Finn?
And Romney shallow on details, huh? Governor of Massachusetts, didn’t raise taxes, balanced his budget, lowered unemployment to to what is considered to be full employment levels, maintained top notch public schools, created jobs without government help, saved the Salt lake City Olympics. Romney’s resume is something Obama could only dream of, even after 4 years as President.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:21 am
tiredofIT, I suspect you’ve never watched a Romney speech in it’s entirety in your lifetime.
And if you put both men side by side yesterday, you’d see that it was Obama who was tired and listless.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
8:23 am
Governor of Massachusetts,
With 800+ vetoes. Many of those the state legislature just overruled him.
tiredofIT
November 6th, 2012
8:28 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:21 am
tiredofIT, I suspect you’ve never watched a Romney speech in it’s entirety in your lifetime.
And if you put both men side by side yesterday, you’d see that it was Obama who was tired and listless.
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Romney looked like he was about to cry yesterday.
Darwin
November 6th, 2012
8:40 am
What I have learned this time around is that the positions that the politicians take don’t mean anything. Romney’s position on everything shifts with the wind. The people voting for him don’t have a clue what he stands for. The only thing they care about is that “Democrats care about everybody.” And half the population hates that.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:42 am
“With 800+ vetoes. Many of those the state legislature just overruled him.”
And none of that changes his accomplishments, Finn. He still balanced the budget. He still didn’t raise taxes. He still kept his schools #1.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:43 am
“Romney looked like he was about to cry yesterday.”
One word, tiredofIT:
Bull.
H.E. Pennypacker
November 6th, 2012
8:45 am
Kyle,
The next time you get a similar feeling in your gut, I would suggest a touch of bicarbonate of soda, which should clear it up and allow you to get back to thinking with your head.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:45 am
“Romney’s position on everything shifts with the wind.”
In reality, it doesn’t very much. All you’re doing is buying into the DNC and Obama talking points using parsed and out of context comments.
“The people voting for him don’t have a clue what he stands for.”
I know EXACTLY what he stands for, so in this case, you are wrong, Darwin.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
8:46 am
Tib, give me your address and I’ll have a case of Kleenex delivered tonight. Or did you stock up the bomb shelter this weekend?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
8:47 am
I know EXACTLY what he stands for…
Ok, Tib, lay it out for us.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:52 am
“Ok, Tib, lay it out for us.”
Pick any issue, Finn (if you even know what the issues are in this campaign).
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
8:55 am
abortion
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:55 am
Oh, and no Kleenex will be needed no matter which way this goes. I’ll be happy if Romney wins, but having a GOP Congress in place will keep Obama from destroying too much more of this nation. My biggest disappointment if Obama wins will be upcoming Supreme Court justices. In that instance, I hope the GOP Senate doesn’t fold on his next picks as they did with his last 2.
And I can’t wait for the Congressional hearings on Benghazi and Fast and Furious once this election is done.
JDW
November 6th, 2012
8:56 am
Well the end is nigh! Barring an upset of epic proportions tomorrow will dawn with the President’s re-election with an EV count of probably around 303, the Senate in Democratic hands and some small gains in the House. Hopefully The President can rise above mediocrity in this cycle and allow taxes to revert to the Clinton era levels, hold the line on the Sequester and drive a budget bargain with the obstante Republican minority that includes revenue enhancement and spending restraint. It would be nice if we could get immigration reform passed and the health care law tweaked to counter the knucklehead Republicans that have not taken the Medicare deal.
On the Republican side, there had best be some serious soul searching because if you couldn’t make gains in this cycle when will this message EVER work?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
8:59 am
OK, abortion.
Romney personally believes that abortion is wrong.
From a governmental side, he would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned and have the states decide how they would like to approach this. He doesn’t want the Federal government to fund abortion activities. Finally, he believes that abortion should be illegal, except in the case of rape, incest, or the life of the mother.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:01 am
Romney on abortion:
1994
“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it”
United States Senatorial debate, October 1994.[2]
2012
Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney pledged to be “a pro-life president,” a day after an interview in which he said he doesn’t intend to pursue anti- abortion legislation if elected.
“I’ve said time and again, I’m a pro-life candidate, I’ll be a pro-life president,”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:03 am
Even if you forget about the 1994 comments, what about the flip in October? Why?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:04 am
Finn, you can parse and pull comments out of your butt all day long, but you cannot take a single statement and make an entire position out of it.
It requires intelligence and investigative skills you do not possess.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:05 am
Romney losing his temper:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/11/05/romney_mormon_video_radio_show_host_jan_mickelson_interviews_testy_mitt.html
mike
November 6th, 2012
9:12 am
If you’re one of the ones who think President Barack Obama has not accomplished anything during his presidency, I offer this list:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/01/a-long-list-of-president-obamas-accomplishments-with-citations/
Notice that there is a link included with each of his accomplishments.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:13 am
Ooooh, Romney gets testy about his faith . . .
Given that his faith is his PRIVATE life, I’d get testy if people asked me about mine on the campaign trail as well.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:15 am
If you think that the above list of alleged Obama “accomplishments” is contrived, you’ve at least done your homework.
If you can cut and paste such a contrived list, you haven’t.
mike
November 6th, 2012
9:18 am
I see Tiberius is in “full howl” this morning. Wonder how long that will last. LOL! What time do you take your nap every day?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:19 am
He signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices
Yeah, that is contrived. Tiberius, you are a sick person. Is reality that immobilizing to you?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:22 am
Finn, you DO realize that the CARD act merely allows credit card companies to charge the people who actually pay their credit card bills a higher finance rate to cover the costs of those who default on them, don’t you?
Of course you didn’t!
‘Cause that is the net result of that Act.
iggy
November 6th, 2012
9:24 am
In these last anxious hours I believe America is wondering…How will Snooki vote?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:25 am
Newt is calling it for Romney. That guy has never been right. Remember him saying “It’s a good bet I’ll be the candidate”
Glad I didn’t bet any money on that one.
iggy
November 6th, 2012
9:26 am
Im hearing rumors this morning about Obama telling Michelle to begin the search for a moving company…
mike
November 6th, 2012
9:26 am
iggy: “In these last anxious hours I believe America is wondering…How will Snooki vote?”
I know I laid awake and tossed and turned all night last night!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:26 am
Tib, here you go. Here is a list of what the card act does.
Bans Unfair Rate Increases
Prevents Unfair Fee Traps
Plain Sight /Plain Language Disclosures
Accountability
Protections for Students and Young People
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:28 am
Finn, when the first thing on the contrived list is his legislative success rate in his first year you know it’s contrived, given the fact he was greeted with a Pelosi-led House and a 59-41 margin in the Senate (once Franken was selected).
iggy
November 6th, 2012
9:30 am
Dems need their credit card rates, provisions spoon feed to them.
mike
November 6th, 2012
9:31 am
Finn: your mistake is that you are trying to use logic when dealing with Tiberius. Logic is completely useless and is brushed aside.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:31 am
Finn, it doesn’t matter what the Act was INTENDED to do. It matters what the Act HAS done. And all it has done is what I described above, because the one thing you can be sure of is that government has no idea how to craft legislation to do what they intend it to do.
iggy
November 6th, 2012
9:32 am
“Bans Unfair Rate Increases
Prevents Unfair Fee Traps”
Whats that supposed to mean? If one doesnt finance their life then they wouldnt have to worry about such trivalities…
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
9:32 am
Finn, if you have a problem with your credit card company, don’t do business with them. The card act is just more liberal fascism.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:32 am
“Logic is completely useless and is brushed aside.”
This from a guy who cuts and pastes who is addressing another guy who cuts and pastes.
Del
November 6th, 2012
9:36 am
I like Kyles gut prediction. Rasmussen has been pretty steady over the last 10 days. Gallup took a leap in Romney’s favor but now is running about the same as Rasmussen. While I like the RCP averaging methodology I put more confidence in the professional polling organizations Rasmussen and Gallup and there polling shows a neck and neck toss up race. Rasmussen gives Romney a slim edge in FL, VA, CO tied in Ohio and Wis. and about a point behind in N.H., behind in Nevada but within the margin of error. With North Carolina probably Romney, he should sweep the South. We shall see.
mike
November 6th, 2012
9:37 am
Tiberius: “This from a guy who cuts and pastes who is addressing another guy who cuts and pastes.”
You know, Tiberius, it wouldn’t hurt you to offer some links to some of your “opinions.” I say opinion because very little of what you offer here could be consider factual.
mike
November 6th, 2012
9:37 am
Off to vote. I cannot wait any longer.
Darwin
November 6th, 2012
9:37 am
Tiberius proves my point.
iggy
November 6th, 2012
9:39 am
I was able to vote twice, so I did. Im gonna head out later and attempt to sneak in elsewhere and cast more Romney votes!!
YEAH BABY!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:41 am
“You know, Tiberius, it wouldn’t hurt you to offer some links to some of your “opinions.”
See, here’s the problem, mikey. They’re my opinions, which means there are no linkies to give you.
However, my opinions are always formed by facts. Facts gleaned from homework I do myself, not through the work of others telling me what I should think.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:42 am
Facts gleaned from homework I do myself, not through the work of others telling me what I should think.
Delusional…..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:43 am
“Tiberius proves my point.”
Really, Darwin? In what way? You claimed that Romney voters didn’t know what he stood for. I’ve already answered Finn’s first challenge on abortion.
Would you care to ask about any other Romney positions?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
9:49 am
Would you care to ask about any other Romney positions?
The planet Kolob. Tell us about that!
JDW
November 6th, 2012
9:50 am
“However, my opinions are always formed by facts. Facts gleaned from homework I do myself, not through the work of others telling me what I should think.”
Tiberius missed the part in logic class where they discussed the concept of a premise which then serves as the construct to a logical conclusion. Actually providing supporting evidence of a premise runs counter to the way things work in Tiberiusville.
Tiberius generally makes up his premises then stands aghast as his “logical conclusions” are rejected.
JDW
November 6th, 2012
9:53 am
@Tiberius…”I’ve already answered Finn’s first challenge on abortion.”
Reallyyyyyyyyyyyy…hummmmmmm…must have missed the part where you addressed the 180 degree shift from 1994 to 2011 followed by the constant “Etch a Sketching”.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:56 am
“The planet Kolob. Tell us about that!”
Sorry, I don’t do religious beliefs.
Of ANY kind.
I just don’t care what any elected person believes in from a religious standpoint, as long as he or she doesn’t try to cram that belief down my throat through legislation or otherwise.
So, Finn, find me ANY instance where Romney has tried to push his religious faith on anyone through his government actions.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
9:57 am
“must have missed the part where you addressed the 180 degree shift from 1994 to 2011 followed by the constant “Etch a Sketching”.”
Since you miss A LOT, JDW, I’m not surprised.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
10:02 am
“Tiberius missed the part in logic class where they discussed the concept of a premise which then serves as the construct to a logical conclusion. ”
Very well, JDW.
Find me a link which shows that Romney didn’t balance his state’s budget.
Find me a link which shows Romney actually raised taxes.
Find me a link which shows that Massachusetts schools dropped in their national ranking while Romney was governor.
Find me a link which shows the unemployment rate going up in Massachusetts during Romney’s term.
You see, son, you can make claims all day long that I need to back up my opinion with links, but if you cannot find any alternative data to disprove my beliefs, I’m pretty much covered.
In EVERY world. Even your fantasy one.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
10:04 am
Anyone see the Who doing Quadrophenia last night?
They BOTH suck
November 6th, 2012
10:05 am
Election Day / Super Bowl of the political sphere
A big thank you to all those who served or are currently serving in a military or police capacity. Your efforts play an integral part in keeping this country safe; which in-turn allows us to have great days like today.
Regardless of the outcome, election day in my opinion is one hell of a special day.
If you haven’t voted, please get out there and do so.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
10:06 am
Sorry, I don’t do religious beliefs.
Is that a religious belief? According to Billy Graham, that is a cultist belief.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
10:12 am
“Is that a religious belief? According to Billy Graham, that is a cultist belief.”
Not any more, Finny!
You really need to keep up with current events.
Oh, and thanks for showing your religious bigotry on this election day. Maybe next time you can show it on the anniversary of the signing of the Constitution to further disrespect the Founding Father’s intentions.
MarkV
November 6th, 2012
10:14 am
Master (de)Bater @11:25 pm: “Uh, cutting taxes does NOT necessarily cause loss of tax revenue, especially if incomes increase to make up for the lower rates.”
So the argument is as follows: Romney WILL cut the tax rates across the board, which will cut the tax revenues by the estimated $4.8 trillion in 10 year, minus the unspecified cuts in loopholes and deductions, which would be a political suicide to spell out now. And IF the economy improves sufficiently, that MIGHT make up for the lower rates.
And IF NOT? We will be in an even bigger hole than we are now. But that will be for the next Democrat to worry about and be criticized for.
Rush
November 6th, 2012
10:15 am
Finn livin’ on the blog again…..didn’t you state yesterday that Tiberius should pay rent? Pot calling the kettle black…..glad to see you are pontificating on others religion. Why don’t you impress us with your knowledge of the various cults? Will sit on pins and needles…..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
10:16 am
I see MarkV continues his engagement in creative fantasy this morning.
MarkV
November 6th, 2012
10:18 am
Master (de)Bater @11:25 pm: “Could you cite the source quoting Mitt Romney saying he will raise military spending in the trillions of dollars, please.”
Romney Web page: “This will not be a cost-free process. We cannot rebuild our military strength without paying for it. Mitt Romney will begin by reversing Obama-era defense cuts and return to the budget baseline established by Secretary Robert Gates in 2010, with the goal of setting core defense spending—meaning funds devoted to the fundamental military components of personnel, operations and maintenance, procurement, and research and development—at a floor of 4 percent of GDP.”
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Compared to the Pentagon’s current budget, Romney’s plan would lead to $2.1 trillion in additional spending over the next ten years, according to an analysis conducted for CNNMoney by Travis Sharp, a budget expert at the Center for a New American Security.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/10/news/economy/romney-defense-spending/
cc
November 6th, 2012
10:19 am
Finn McCool’s posts reminds me of a weapon I once tested. It delivered rapid short bursts of lead, but was notoriously inaccurate.
MarkV
November 6th, 2012
10:22 am
I see Tiberius continues to justify his “King of Obnoxiousness” title.
JDW
November 6th, 2012
10:22 am
@Tiberius…perfect…take a look at how you misrepresent…
Tiberius wrote…”Find me a link which shows that Romney didn’t balance his state’s budget.”
Now unless you live under a rock you know that Massachusetts law requires that all state budgets be balanced. Romney didn’t do anything that any other Governor wouldn’t have been required to do.
Tiberius wrote…”Find me a link which shows Romney actually raised taxes.”
Well not but about $500 million annually…
“The state of Massachusetts raised $500 million in new revenue during Romney’s first year in office from fees, more than any other state surveyed.[34] Romney proposed 33 new fees along with increases in 57 existing fees,[35] resulting in higher costs for birth certificates, new car purchases, driver’s learning permits, firearms permits, professional licenses, and billboards advertising, as well as for many state services.[36][29] He also increased a state gasoline fee originally intended for cleanup of contamination around underground fuel storage tanks.[3] The two cents per gallon increase made for a total effective state gasoline tax of 23.5 cents per gallon, generating about $60 million per year in additional revenue ”
Sounds like a tax increase to me.
Tiberius wrote…”Find me a link which shows that Massachusetts schools dropped in their national ranking while Romney was governor.”
Massachusetts schools have been rated highly of course that is not Romney’s doing
“Education experts also link student success with the aggressive education reform law Massachusetts passed in 1993. These reforms established a state accountability system that became the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System, or MCAS.”
All Romney did was cut funding and ride out the term
@Tiberius…”Find me a link which shows the unemployment rate going up in Massachusetts during Romney’s term.”
“Job growth in Massachusetts rose at a rate of 1.5 percent (compared to the national average of 5.3 percent), placing Massachusetts 47th of the 50 states in new job creation over the course of Romney’s term.”
Plus….
“Unemployment in Massachusetts rose during Romney’s first year from a rate of 5.6 percent in January 2003, when he took office, to a peak of 6.0 percent in mid 2003.[68] It then steadily declined over the remainder of his term, ending at 4.6 percent in January 2007,[68] his last month as governor, for a net improvement in unemployment of 1.0 percent.[61] Much of the improvement in unemployment during Romney’s first three years in office reflected the loss of working-age adults from the labor force,[64][69] many of them having left Massachusetts for other states during the period.[70][64] Massachusetts experienced one of the highest levels of net out-migration of any state during Romney’s term”
Only reason the rate was down was people LEFT.
Everyone one of your premise’s/Romney accomplishments is bogus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorship_of_Mitt_Romney
www. politifact.com/ truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-said-massachusetts-schools-are-ranked-/
ragnar danneskjold
November 6th, 2012
10:24 am
Funny political cartoon
http://www.gocomics.com/glennmccoy/2012/11/05
Leftists and humor challenged – but I repeat myself – ought not bother, it will just make you mad.
cc
November 6th, 2012
10:26 am
“And IF NOT? We will be in an even bigger hole than we are now”
Based on the actual experience of the past four years and the additional $5 06 $6 trillion (depending on which way you figure it) added indebtedness, anyone would be foolish not to want to try something different! What’s the matter? You don’t like “change”? You don’t want to “hope” for something better?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
10:29 am
Wow, JDW, sounds like Robme is the correct name to use.
or, Fee Robme
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
10:30 am
So I’d accept your surrender, JDW, but you never really got on the field to do battle.
Balanced the budget – check!
Didn’t raise taxes – check! (btw, the increase in fees were actually targeted to be borne by the people who used the services required – not letting the general tax rates fund those services – and he lowered overall tax rates to offset)
Schools stayed the same – check!
Unemployment dropped – check!
A stunning failure to debate, even for you, JDW. And THAT bar is always set a the lowest level.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
10:30 am
You don’t like “change”? You don’t want to “hope” for something better?
so, suicide is better than slogging through the current pain of which we are pulling out of?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
10:32 am
Schools stayed the same – check!
What do you have against “improving” the schools? Shouldn’t that be the goal?
MarkV
November 6th, 2012
10:36 am
cc @10:26 am: “Based on the actual experience of the past four years and the additional $5 06 $6 trillion (depending on which way you figure it) added indebtedness, anyone would be foolish not to want to try something different! “
What a wonderful argument! Try something different! It just does not matter what, the main thing is that it will be different, regardless of consequencest!
Progressive Humanist
November 6th, 2012
10:39 am
Here’s a strongly conservative leaning data-driven site (I know, the terms “conservative” and “data-driven” are really oxymorons and should rarely appear in the same sentence unless the word “not” is found in between them).
http://www.electionprojection.com/2012elections/president12.php
It should raise the blood pressure of the cons on here at a time when they are doing their best hope/pray/wish/spin job to convince themselves that Myth will be their president tomorrow morning.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
10:41 am
“What do you have against “improving” the schools? Shouldn’t that be the goal?”
Uh, Finny?
The schools were ALREADY #1 in the nation. In case you missed it, there’s no other way to go “up” from there.
MarkV
November 6th, 2012
10:41 am
Tiberius@10:30 am
“So I’d accept your surrender…”
One of the many obnoxious, tired expressions Tiberius uses ad nauseam.
JDW
November 6th, 2012
10:44 am
@Tiberius…
So in your world what time does Mitt descend from Kolob to anoint you of the chosen…after all you know EVERYTHING…even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
10:45 am
Hey, MarkV, bring anything to the table this morning instead of tired attacks and worthless wordsmithing?
Didn’t think so.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
10:48 am
there’s no other way to go “up” from there.
This is why you are not a leader of men.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
10:54 am
“So in your world what time does Mitt descend from Kolob to anoint you of the chosen”
As I stated before, JDW, I don’t do religion. That is a private matter between a person and their beliefs.
But thanks to you as well for bringing in your religious bigotry into the discussion on election day.
Always nice to see proven once again that liberals haven’t really progressed in their tolerances of things they don’t agree with.
And I don’t know everything – just a whole helluva lot more than you ever will about politics and the candidates.
Dusty
November 6th, 2012
10:57 am
Folks,
Why don’t you take the day off and just watch the results coming in? I can’t see how this “dueling” helps the country at all. Trying to cut each others throats in politics is bound to make conflict lfor the governmen/citizens of our country.
Didn’t you learn anything in the disgraceful foul play conjured up against Bush while he did everything in his power to advance our country? It is a lasting disgrace still offered by weak minds.
Now you are setting the stage for another foul onslaught for whomever wins this election. The attributes and failings of both candidates have already been fully discussed and cussed.
Let’s drop the sticks and stones mantra and look beyond the childish behavior. Our country needs the support or cogent citizens, not a pack of watch dogs snarling at each other.
JDW
November 6th, 2012
10:59 am
@Tiberius…”just a whole helluva lot more than you ever will about politics and the candidates.”
MarkV
November 6th, 2012
11:00 am
Tiberius @ 10:45 am
A question + “Didn’t think so.”
One of the many obnoxious, tired and very stupid expressions Tiberius uses ad nauseam.
JamVet
November 6th, 2012
11:03 am
I am shocked to find that tibs is fighting with most of the other children this morning!
How very ugly and unusual.
LOL…
Dusty
November 6th, 2012
11:09 am
JamVet
You are on the wrong playground so quit trying to kick the ball around.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
11:10 am
Not surprising, AmVet drops by to contribute . . .
. . . nothing of substance.
snoqualmiefalls
November 6th, 2012
11:12 am
25,000 attorneys on the ground for the partisan fight after this election… so folks it will not be over this evening. No I dare say it will land in court, appealed to the Supreme Courtand since it is stack with cons I am sure former Governor Romney will be appointed.
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
11:14 am
Dusty
Did Wingfield appoint you to run this blog?
No he did not, so why act like you do?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
11:16 am
Maybe during the next 3 years Mittens can nail down some of his beliefs on the important issues. Living by the seat of an Etch-A-Sketch is no way for a grown man to live.
Dusty
November 6th, 2012
11:20 am
Black label
Wingfield did not appoint me to run his blog anymore than he appointed you to tell me what to post.
If I may be so direct, mind your own business.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
11:25 am
The schools were ALREADY #1 in the nation. In case you missed it, there’s no other way to go “up” from there.
And they vote Democratic.
Meanwhile the Southern States are all last in Education. And they vote Republican.
Coincidence.
Hardly.
md
November 6th, 2012
11:27 am
“need to remember that the next president likely will have the opportunity to fill two or three Supreme Court vacancies in the next four years.”
Except the supremes tend to retire accordingly as well……..I’d say it only matters when they die in office.
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
11:28 am
Dusty
Show me where I told you what to postm
Thought so
I asked you a question because you routinely post as if you run this blog.
If you can’t handle a question, that is your problem. Not mine.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
11:28 am
Dusty, trying to get everyone to stop jabbing while putting in multiple jabs of her own. Well played.
Jack
November 6th, 2012
11:30 am
The Pennsylvania voters probably remember that were called “bitter people who cling to guns and religion.”
Partisay
November 6th, 2012
11:32 am
Folks,
Why don’t you take the day off and just watch the results coming in? I can’t see how this “dueling” helps the country at all. Trying to cut each others throats in politics is bound to make conflict lfor the governmen/citizens of our country.
______________________________________________________________________________
Then in the next paragraph, she critisizes democrats for attacking Bush while “he did everything in his power to advance our country?” Then of course she adds, “It is a lasting disgrace still offered by weak minds.”
Then of course she stays on here and “duals” with other posters. Hypocritical? I think so….
md
November 6th, 2012
11:33 am
“He signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices”
But what did it actually accomplish? What it did was socialize the losses of the deadbeats as the banks could no longer charge them higher rates and fees. All they could do was raise everyone else’s rates……which they did across the board. So once again, the responsible pay for the irresponsible………..
gary
November 6th, 2012
11:34 am
That is an idiotic statement. He will win because the country is tired of seeing our debt, unemployment, entitlements grow along with government regulations increasing and holding back businesses.
Save America and vote Republican.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
11:35 am
The Pennsylvania voters probably remember that were called “bitter people who cling to guns and religion.”
Why would it matter? Anybody offended by that ( because there is a hint of truth to it ) is a redneck who is going to vote for Romney anyway.
Darwin
November 6th, 2012
11:35 am
Before I took a multiple choice quiz on where Romney stood on tthe issues, the teacher told us there was no wrong answer.
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
11:37 am
Partisay
Typical Dusty. She thinks she can come on and throw jabs without any coming back.When they come back she feigns outrage.
Hypocrtical? Yes
Ironic? Yes
Simple minded? Yes
Very funny? You betcha
iggy
November 6th, 2012
11:40 am
“So once again, the responsible pay for the irresponsible”
I paid mine off immediately. IF I use them, and thats a big IF, I pay the balance. The Credit Card Companies can KMA as can Obama and his socialists measures.
Thulsa Doom
November 6th, 2012
11:44 am
There goes cheesy grits with his usual racist comments including redneck. Well at least we know where he stands and he’s not trying to hide his racism.
ragnar danneskjold
November 6th, 2012
11:45 am
Has anyone ever seen a thoughtful or incisive comment by a leftist on this blog? Don’t think it exists. Just epithets.
Dusty
November 6th, 2012
11:47 am
Wow, Cheesy Grits and other disseminated voices,
I bet you eat fried chitlin’s every morning for breakfast. Why all the blurbs against Southerners? Extra pay for that?
For you other disseminators of the dismal, take a peaceful hike and contemplate. Romney is good! Romney is good! (It will clear your mind and make you smart!)
Peadawg
November 6th, 2012
11:48 am
gary
November 6th, 2012
11:34 am
Unemployment has been going down.
“holding back businesses” – Businesses have had record profits. Do you want Obama to become a dictator and tell them they have to hire?
Dusty
November 6th, 2012
11:52 am
Hi Ragnar,
I am always glad to see your posts. Intelligent!!
What’s the news from your Navy son and the friend of old who went to California for a school job some years back? Just wondering…..
Thulsa Doom
November 6th, 2012
11:53 am
Insightful comments? You’re asking quite a lot from the liberals on here Ragnar. Hyperbole and heated emotional rhetoric. Its how they roll.
md
November 6th, 2012
11:57 am
“I paid mine off immediately. IF I use them, and thats a big IF, I pay the balance. The Credit Card Companies can KMA as can Obama and his socialists measures.”
I did too, but I did keep a balance on one of them only because they were willing to play the game. I told my banks they had 2 choices (there’s that word again), lower my rate or not lower it and I’d pay off the balance. Only one was willing to play, they got my business. Of course the others keep sending me these better rates after the fact………screw them, they made their choice.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 6th, 2012
11:58 am
Insightful comments and liberals don’t really go together.
And hiya Thulsa!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 6th, 2012
12:00 pm
I no longer do credit. If I don’t have the money I don’t buy it.
Haven’t come up against an obstacle to that just yet.
cc
November 6th, 2012
12:01 pm
“Hyperbole and heated emotional rhetoric. Its how they roll.”
As surely as the sun rises in the east . . .
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:03 pm
I told my banks they had 2 choices (there’s that word again), lower my rate or not lower it and I’d pay off the balance.
You’re paying the banks to thank them for not raising your rates? LOL Please tell us you aren’t a financial consultant or a personal money manager!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:05 pm
today is either the day Nate Silver gets his kudos or he goes back to playing cards for a living.
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:05 pm
No ones trying to keep people from voting. Cheating on the count – maybe. But anyone that is legal to vote will vote if they wish. Unfortunately for Obama many pushing to legalize weed are to doped up to go vote and the rest of them are in prison on felonies and can’t vote. Expect Dems to continue to push to have felons legal to vote.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 6th, 2012
12:06 pm
Once again Finn shows us his lack of basic English language skills. . .
md
November 6th, 2012
12:08 pm
Oh I do credit, lots of credit purchases, just about everything I buy is with the card……but paid in full every month (except the one with a small balance). Those skymiles sure come in handy with free flights for the family. If I’m going to spend money on purchases, may as well get a few freebies out of it…………..
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:09 pm
Still problems in south Florida with pollsters trying to intimidate voter I.D. checkers. Incidents have been reported.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 6th, 2012
12:09 pm
Just lost power at the house. It had better be back on in time to watch returns come in!
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:12 pm
Part of those that voted Obama last time are switching because Obama didn’t keep his promise to pay their electric and grocery bills. But he did get them a free cell phone.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 6th, 2012
12:12 pm
Just wondering, but wouldn’t the candidate who defies history be the first Mormon president?
Just sayin ‘!
md
November 6th, 2012
12:13 pm
“You’re paying the banks to thank them for not raising your rates?”
I’m paying the bank because of the lower rates because I preferred to have a stronger cash position, vs paying it off and depleting my cash. It’s a strategic decision, not necessarily the smarter move…….times are tough, cash on hand is a good thing.
GaDem
November 6th, 2012
12:19 pm
Kyle, I’ve long thought that you were an idiot, but this column proves it beyond a doubt. Obama is going to win over 300 Electoral College votes, and you rednecks better get use to that idea.
4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:20 pm
Four more years of Nanny State Pelosi and Hairy Weed’s far left partisan politics is like electing a street sweeper to do brain surgery. They are a failure on the economy but a success at porking up their supporters with our tax dollars and grid lock will continue.
southpaw
November 6th, 2012
12:22 pm
We don’t need no stinkin voter ID laws!! Nobody’s been convicted yet!
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/11/06/democrat-double-voter-caught-in-north-carolina/
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
12:26 pm
Obama is going to win over 300 Electoral College votes
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I refuse to believe the citizenry is that ignorant and gullible.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:27 pm
Can we discuss the Woodstock gated community that is shutting it’s gates at 6pm cause the residents are skeered?
Why isn’t that getting any play in the AJC?
iggy
November 6th, 2012
12:27 pm
Once again the The New Black Panthers, of Ohio, are enforcing voter intimidations laws.
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:27 pm
GaDem – my my my – racist type hate against “red necks” from the smug, arrogant left. Those “rednecks” in Idaho are projected to vote for Obama. . You are not a GaDem – you are a Dem that has moved to Georgia. If you don’t like”red necks” you are free to leave and don’t let the screen door hit you in your fat rear end on the way out!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
12:30 pm
Why isn’t that getting any play in the AJC?
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Probably because it isn’t happening.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
This country is not going back to the far right politics of the Republicans.
Assuming the Republicans dont steal this one like they did in 2000.
Its 4 more years of Obama and then 8 years for Hillary.
Old Timer
November 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
If Obama wins it will becasue of all the votes he won by promises and entitlement, not what he has done for the country. Think debt, executive orders, government grid lock, no budget in three years, Obama Care and Bengazi–his statement that Al Qaeda is on the decline to uninformed. I predict this will be a Dewey-Truman election with the parties switched. Obama has done everything he could to buy it, even auditioning for TV shows.
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:34 pm
Obama has one plan for our economy and that is to steer every tax dollar he can to his supporters and himself. According to Forbes Obama was not a millionaire while in the private sector but he has since fattened his bank account the last four years and is now a member of the hated 1%.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
12:35 pm
Probably because it isn’t happening. ,/i>
Wrong again. You should be used to that by know though.
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/20010281/fearing-unrest-woodstock-community-locking-gates-after-election
Kyle Wingfield
November 6th, 2012
12:35 pm
All right, everyone, stand by for another Google Hangout video with Jay and me. Sometime between now and 1 p.m. …
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
12:37 pm
Obama has one plan for our economy and that is to steer every tax dollar he can to his supporters and himself. According to Forbes Obama was not a millionaire while in the private sector but he has since fattened his bank account the last four years and is now a member of the hated 1%.
All lies.
Obama made all his money from a best selling book.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2012/05/16/obamas-worth-nearly-6-million-see-why-hes-down-since-last-year/
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 6th, 2012
12:39 pm
Haven’t read all the posts, but have you guys noticed the Dems/Black Panthers are back to their dirty tricks in Philly. They kicked out the GOP poll watchers in a bunch of precincts. Judge ordered them back in, they ignored the judge and would not allow them. Now the Sheriff is having to enforce the Judges ruling.
Tonight when Barry loses, the Finn, HEB, and the Obamabots will be crying about the GOP disenfranchising their voters, hah!
They BOTH suck
November 6th, 2012
12:39 pm
Barry
Are you sure about that?
http://www.peachpundit.com/2012/11/05/woodstock-community-closes-gates-to-protect-from-civil-unrest-teens-on-lawn/
Thought so
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:40 pm
So, if Obama wins – either by a squeeker or a landslide, can we expect the Cons to act any differently than they have the past 4 years?
But of course, should Romney win, they will expect the liberals to accept defeat and begin working with the new guy in earnest.
Right?
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:41 pm
Dead brain zombies vote Obama……. if reelected insist on random drug testing for the CROAKAINE Prez.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:44 pm
Where is the reporting on the black panthers, and please nothing from Heritage Foundation, LOL.
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:45 pm
Hairy Weed has already stated that the Dems would not cooperate or compromise with a Repub Prez………. don’t expect bipartisanship from either side any time soon. Grid lock continues. TERM LIMITS for CONGRESS.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
No, Finn, we expect whoever wins to act like Americans, i.e. supporting free market capitalism, free people, personal responsibility, and American values. Naturally, if Obozo wins, real Americans expect his liberal fascist agenda to be obstructed.
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:47 pm
Go Dawgs – beat Aubarn! Woof Woof Woof
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:47 pm
Stanley told the Times that he “made the decision to close the gates based on a recommendation from local law enforcement officials, and that he did not believe there would be election-related chaos.” But Jim Galloway of the Atlanta Journal Constitution got a different story when he contacted local law enforcement.
We just fielded a call from Calvin Moss, the Woodstock police chief, who said that he has had a conversation with Stanley this afternoon — and Stanley denied getting any such information from the Woodstock police force. “We have no reason to believe that the election and its aftermath will be anything but peaceful,” Moss said. “Certainly we would give no one that kind of information.”
alternet.org
Cons are the chicken littles of America. I guess we libs need to protect them.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 6th, 2012
12:48 pm
http://washingtonexaminer.com/philly-gop-poll-inspectors-being-ousted-for-dems/article/2512714#.UJlNNG872Ai
There you go Finn. It will make CBS/CNN in about 2 weeks if Obama loses, never if he wins. Hard to give you a liberal source, if they refuse to cover the news.
iBS Aplenty
November 6th, 2012
12:48 pm
Ragnar -
No doubt the truly insightful commentary comes from the libertarian wing of the Repubs. “Mid South Philosopher” used to hold down this turf admirably or at least so I thought. Haven’t seen him in a while – maybe I just don’t “recognize” him…
I still feel Mr. Romney should have based his political strategy more on the repeal of ObamaCare. It certainly was an issue where the Dems were very weak, what with the bribes and shenanigans needed to get the bill passed. But Romney hung his hat on an ability to lay the economic malaise on the president. Seemed like it was working – now, too close to call.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:49 pm
Barry, thanks for making my point!
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
12:50 pm
Naturally, if Obozo wins, real Americans expect his liberal fascist agenda to be obstructed.
” Real Americans ”
Thats a hoot.
What he means is ” White Americans ”
Its part of the code they use.
I guess the stock market doubling under Obama didnt have anything to do with the free market
LOL
You guys are clowns.
bluecoat
November 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Romney has more experience losing.My gut says he is too old to change ways.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Court-appointed Republican poll inspectors are being forcibly removed from voting stations in some Philadelphia wards and replaced in some cases by Democratic inspectors and even members of the Black Panthers, according to GOP officials.
Key phrase being the last one.
According to GOP officials.
Fail
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 6th, 2012
12:53 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinstate-booted-philadelphia-election-officials/
Now, they have a mural of the Messiah up in one of the precincts, kinda like a Cuban election.
Oblama
November 6th, 2012
12:54 pm
To get to Nanny State Pelosi’s 56 states I suggest breaking up the two largest electoral states. Start with North New York and South New York and North California and South California. What are the other four states you would divide?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 6th, 2012
12:55 pm
Kyle, we want you two to wear boxing gloves this time.
We demand blood!
iggy
November 6th, 2012
12:55 pm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
November 6th, 2012
12:39 pm
Hopefully Eric Holder will save the day…LOL!!
Financial Times
November 6th, 2012
1:02 pm
Stock Market Doubling under Obama? You are truly an incompetent blowhard!!
iggy
November 6th, 2012
1:03 pm
Ive not yet seen the Kyle vs Bookman video but I think Bookman has a very nice toupee’.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
1:05 pm
What are the other four states you would divide?
Frankly I would just let the south go If I were America. Let it go totally.
They can elect Jefferson Davis grandson or something and live the way they want. Backwards.
Also the red states take far more from the Federal Government than they pay in. They are the welfare states.
States like New Jersey, as Gov Christie pointed out, take far less from the Government than they send in.
States like New York and California have been subsidizing the South for a long time now.
Just let the South go and let it turn into a third world country. Then the rest of the USA can thrive.
iggy
November 6th, 2012
1:06 pm
“Cons are the chicken littles of America. I guess we libs need to protect them.”
The members of this gated community are just attempting to save lives and ammo.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 6th, 2012
1:08 pm
Stock Market Doubling under Obama? You are truly an incompetent blowhard!!
Ummm it Did.
But detractors of President Obama should remember one thing – Wall Street has been booming under this president. Since Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the Dow is up about 48%, the S&P 500 is up 60% and the tech-focused Nasdaq is up 90%.
http://investorplace.com/2011/01/president-barack-obama-good-for-stock-market/
md
November 6th, 2012
1:15 pm
“Also the red states take far more from the Federal Government than they pay in. They are the welfare states.”
That myth again?
Now go do some homework as to why…….it has to do with military spending (you know, all those bases in the south that protect the country) and medicare…….and that would be all the old people that flee the brutal north for the crappy beaches of the south…………
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
1:20 pm
The Dow was at 14000 under Our President Bush, before the Dodd-Frank recession.
Our President Bush: Superior to Obozo.
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
1:26 pm
Lil Barry
It was 14000 when Bush left? Talk about the collapse on his watch.
If you are going to tell it. Tell it all.
just saying
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
1:30 pm
Lil Barry
Start with 7949 Dow then proceed per your usual crying diatribe about how the Democrats wrecked the economy.
How funny that you constantly show the high mark of the Dow under Bush as if that what it was when he left office.
No cry on as usual. You are one little funny dudette.
FAIL
md
November 6th, 2012
1:34 pm
“about how the Democrats wrecked the economy.”
Bush actually started calling for the reform of Fannie and Freddie way back in his first budget in 2001…….and warned it could lead to a crisis on several occasions……….and the party of “no” at the time started with a D………google can be your friend.
So yes, we could absolutely have a debate as to how the dems wrecked the economy……I would point to some of the things the gop did as well, but a case can be made that the dems were the culprit…………
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
1:37 pm
md
The military issue is a valid point, but did you purposely forget about the percentage of government assistance receiving residents or are you not aware of that?
You know the answer, but didn’t mention it on purpose. I have read where you have done the same thing several times on this blog. You are not that slick, eventhough you have convinced yourself that you are. So you go do your homework then comeback.
Your welcome. Glad I could point that out for you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 6th, 2012
1:38 pm
The Dow has almost nothing to do with the health of the economy, even less to do with government intervention in same.
It has much more to do with the fiscal health of a select few companies.
People on both sides wold know that if they followed reality instead of quoting mindless numbers every now and again to try to make some stupid political point.
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
1:39 pm
md
No, the bubble was the culprit and all of your conjecture will not change that. Barry only sees things one way. You do as well, but like to present that you are open minded, but you are much more transparent than the Obama Administration to say the least.
You will be coming on here, crying for the next 4 yrs, just as you do now. You diatribes will be the same. You are the laid back excuses man.
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
1:42 pm
Tiberius
Agree. Merely pointing out that when LLB finds it advantageous he touts the height of the Dow under Bush, but never mentions where the Dow was at when Bush left office.
Either way. Have a super duper day.
md
November 6th, 2012
1:45 pm
BL,
Notice the big blue states in the top 10:
http://www.statjump.com/lists/public-assisstance-dp3c123ts.html
md
November 6th, 2012
1:48 pm
“No, the bubble was the culprit and all of your conjecture will not change that.”
And Fannie and Freddie played no part in the bubble……
Uh-huh……..
They actually added more to their portfolios during that time frame than they did in ALL of their history prior to………….please, get a clue.
md
November 6th, 2012
1:51 pm
And I’m open minded, but only to a degree…….I stop at the “vote your neighbor to pay more” line…….
Linda
November 6th, 2012
1:52 pm
Kyle, You were smart to compare your head with your guts. Had you compared your head with your heart, the heartless liberals here would have no idea what you were comparing.
Arguing over polls is just as pointless today as it was nine months ago.
The fact that Obama does not deserve to be re-elected is a fact. Liberals tend to rely on Obama’s words, whereas conservatives rely on his actions. His actions have never matched his words.
Those hollow styrofoam columns reminiscent of Greece, of all places, were a dead giveaway, along with the fake smoke & mirrored teleprompters.
He promised to stop the flow of the oceans, but Sandy defied him & his FEMA squad who told homeless, hungry, thirsty, wet, cold, powerless callers to get help via the internet.
Obama has never wanted to BE president. He enjoyed RUNNING for president & ACTING like he was president. If he looses, that will not change much. On Wednesday, he can continue RUNNING for president for the next 4 years, just like he has for the last 4 years.
iggy
November 6th, 2012
2:21 pm
Obama is like Teddy Kennedy. He doesnt want to be President, he just doesnt want anyone else being President.
And Mr Fairplay Teddy, sabotaged Carters campaign against Reagan.
Black Label
November 6th, 2012
3:20 pm
md
You must have been an out of control individual at one time or have you been so dry and rigid your entire life?
Some people who exhibit patterns such as those you exhibit, do so to suppress bad habits of years past. They get in a “rigid” zone.
Bless your heart and keep the faith
md
November 6th, 2012
4:34 pm
Rigid? This is just a brief snapshot of what I ALLOW others to see……..
As for the rigid part, actually just the opposite……I say live and let live, but since it is fact that we choose everything we do, don’t come crying to me when your choices don’t work out for you…..I live with my bad choices (I have no problem raising my hand and saying my bad), so others can do the same.
Should a student that chooses to study 24/7, does not partying and makes A’s have to share those A’s with a student that CHOOSES to party 24/7, does no studying and makes F’s??
Now expand that question to life in general and ask yourself the answer……….many don’t much like their answer because it boils down to choices……or blame and excuses.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
5:47 pm
Cheesy Grits: ”Real Americans”…Thats a hoot…What he means is ”White Americans”
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So you think only white folks can be real Americans? I don’t.
Cheesy Grits: Racist.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 6th, 2012
5:53 pm
I did tell it all, Black Label…Our President Bush got the Dow up to 14,000 and then the Dodd-Frank recession hit. All this after inheriting the dot-bomb collapse and the Islamofascist 9/11 attack, which was conceived, planned, trained for on Clinton’s watch.
Obozo hasn’t managed to get it back to where it was before the recession. Obozo’s record is exceedingly pathetic.
Darwin
November 7th, 2012
9:26 am
How’s your gut today?
Evolve or die
November 9th, 2012
12:53 pm
Opps, didn’t get this one right