REVEALED: What the IRS form for Obamacare might look like (click on link to see it)
OK, this is not an actual IRS document: It’s a mock-up of one by Americans for Tax Reform. But it incorporates requirements from Obamacare in the kind of form you can expect if President Obama is re-elected and Obamacare is fully implemented. Bottom line: Your 1040EZ form is getting longer and less EZ.
Yet another reason we should move Tax Day to the day before Election Day.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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iggy
November 1st, 2012
2:07 pm
Well, I dont like this AT ALL.
southpaw
November 1st, 2012
2:08 pm
In 1993 or 1994, I saw the Form 1040 BS. Look for the tax forms to start looking more and more like that.
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
2:10 pm
Since Grover Norquist is the founder of Americans For Tax Reform, I don’t think a mock tax form made up by his group is very likely to be accurate about Omamacare.
And yet, somehow, you do, Kyle. I wonder why that is?
independent thinker
November 1st, 2012
2:18 pm
Its very simple- you either have health insurance and are exempt or you do not and do not qualify for Medicaid or Medicare. You pay the tax and Reagan’s EMTALA statute guarantees you free socialized medical care if you show up at an emergency room. Just like a tax for Medicare coming out of your paycheck for your future benefits..
Funny how the same people don’t like people paying their fair share for hospital care as a tax also don’t give a hoot about the 47% not paying their share of taxes- any hypocrisy there?
Kyle Wingfield
November 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
carlosgvv @ 2:10: Do you have any actual criticisms of the document, or are you just casting aspersions today?
Aynie Sue
November 1st, 2012
2:36 pm
The document is exaggerated, considering the source and Kyle’s outrage, but no more complicated than the other tax schedules. So what’s the problem? I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.
Have you ever filled out an application for health care insurance, Kyle? Guess not since you’re horrified by the prospect of a 1-2 page tax schedule.
Beyond the Middle of the Road
November 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
Although there’s a tinge of truth to this I think this was created primarily for laughs. It certainly brought a smile to my face; sometimes I think people take this kind of thing too seriously. Of course this has been discussed a zillion times here; but my two cents is I prefer the Affordable Healthcare Act aka Obamacare to the alternative of not having it. I once worked for a very large firm that went bankrupt and I recall the pain and hardship of folks trying to find health insurance in the open market. Keep in mind that a bankrupt firm with no benefit programs doesn’t have COBRA or anything else for that matter. I mean, if the point of all the money we spend on the military and homeland security is to protect and save American lives… then how could having 30-40 million more folks insured be a bad thing? Obamacare may be flawed but it will undoubtedly save lives and improve the overall health of our fellow Americans. I would gladly pay 14 more cents for a Papa John’s pizza for that (of course, if you really want to be healthy you shouldn’t be eating Papa John’s pizza).
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
Kyle – 2:19
That is not what I asked you.
Bruno
November 1st, 2012
2:47 pm
Put me down for the religious exemption.
Bruno
November 1st, 2012
2:49 pm
I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.
I would too, if it were only that simple. Any reasonable analysis of ObamaCare shows that health care costs will be going up, not down. Any other conclusion is simply wishful thinking.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
Oh oh oh. Stop the presses!
The right tries humour!!!!!
Wow, move over Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert. There’s a new player in town and his name is Grover.
Kyle Wingfield
November 1st, 2012
2:50 pm
Well, carlosgvv, without specific criticisms, I don’t know what about it you find unlikely.
Don't Tread
November 1st, 2012
2:51 pm
“I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.”
I’d willingly fill out the form to make you pay for it.
Kyle Wingfield
November 1st, 2012
2:53 pm
Aynie @ 2:36: Is outrage the only emotion you’re capable of detecting? Because that’s certainly not what I intended to express.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
Obozo’s loser base doesn’t file tax returns and is therefore not too worried about any new or existing forms.
Vote American to fix this impending disaster.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
A staggering 68 percent of registered Republican voters stated that they believe demonic possession is real. Meanwhile, only 48 percent of self-identified Republicans believe in another equally if not more scary natural phenomenon: climate change.
alternet.org
You Cons are truly scary. To think we let you folks control 1/6 of our lawmaking body.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
I say we don’t tax them for not having health insurance; We take away their guns and ammo instead.
Kyle Wingfield
November 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
Beyond @ 2:45: ” sometimes I think people take this kind of thing too seriously.”
Exactly.
Don't Tread
November 1st, 2012
2:59 pm
“We take away their guns and ammo instead.”
Liberals seem to have this nagging problem with other people having rights.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
how could having 30-40 million more folks insured be a bad thing?
———-
How could having 30-40 million more folks take a taxpayer-funded Mediterranean cruise be a bad thing?
It isn’t hard to spot the publicly educated on this forum. They’re the ones with zero economic thinking ability.
Skip
November 1st, 2012
3:08 pm
“might look like”, and I might win the lotto. But I’m not counting on it.
ray44
November 1st, 2012
3:15 pm
Mr. Wingfield and his looney right wing friends will not acknowledge that the current healthcare system is unfair to hospitals and to everyone who is paying for healthcare insurance including the small business “job creators” that they purport to care about. No, the tax penalty is not a perfect solution but it moves the ball in the right direction. Everyone who can contribute should. The only real objection is that a president whom they abhor (for reasons that I will not stoop to discuss) has proposed it and it helps people, who, to put it bluntly, are now dying in the streets or the back of cars for lack of care or from inadequate care. And smug little ******s like Mr. Wingfield are free to spout their venom as if it has any merit. It does not but they have no shame.
joe
November 1st, 2012
3:19 pm
God help us if we have to suffer through 4 more years of this obozo dictatorship. No way we survive all that spending and executive orders…
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
3:20 pm
New Jersey voters will be exempt, from this form, because the first thing they do in an emergency is remove government hurdles to make things simpler. Would it not be wonderful, if all America could have the burdens of government removed permanently.
jconservative
November 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
Kyle, Are you going to put up something on this?
“Bloomberg endorses Obama”
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
3:25 pm
Mayor Bloomberg has endorsed Barry Oblunder. Anyone who supports limiting how much Coke you can buy at once, has a natural proclivity for Barry, the rule maker. No surprise there. Sorta like the Cookie Monster endorsing Famous Amos, or Mrs, Fields.
Tealiban Party
November 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
Obozo’s loser base doesn’t file tax returns and is therefore not too worried about any new or existing forms. Vote American to fix this impending disaster.
This is especially rich considering you are supporting a tax cheat for president.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
3:28 pm
No, the tax penalty is not a perfect solution but it moves the ball in the right direction.
————–
If it’s working, why are premiums going up?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Taliban, the only thing missing from your post is any sort of grain of truth.
Junior Samples
November 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Why criticize a fake form?
Although I have no doubt Victoria Jackson will weigh in soon with her informed opinion.
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
3:31 pm
Same old trouble as always. We don’t have any pioneers left.
The early people of our country did not have health insurance. In many cases, there were no doctors anywhere. Yet these same strong people moved forward, made homes, raised families and farms and businesses and established one of the greatest countries in the world.
But that was different, you say. Not so. The difficulties now are just of another nature. We don’t have shortages. We have too much in this blessed country. Yet neither haves nor the have nots know how to move on and make a country greater. Even the “inbetweens” seem stymied. Few seem capable of self reliance without direction. So a few control more and more puppets.
We forget independence and want help. We want freedom but we stymie free enterprise with drawbacks. We want justice but even the rights of citizenship are juggled out of the law. We want good health but want the government to “furnish ” it with good “medicine” instead of using good sense.
Kyle, your (mock) tax form is just one more indication of our loss of independence. The government wants more and more of your income because they know better than you how to spend it. That is the non-spirit which has risen in the USA. It has been nurtured by the Obama Admiisitration who wants to give even more “help” to all you helpless citizens who are fearful and timid of your own strength.
I long for the pioneers and their spirit.. They showed us how to do it. But we sat down and forgot.
Dum-Bass
November 1st, 2012
3:31 pm
BloomingID10TBerg endorsing O’bummer is like Bobby Petrino endorsing motorcycles now.
Kyle Wingfield
November 1st, 2012
3:38 pm
jconservative @ 3:21: I’ll put up just as much about that endorsement as I did The Donald’s. I consider them equally important and effective.
1961_Xer
November 1st, 2012
3:39 pm
Question 12: What months were you covered by an affordable qualifying health insurance plan?
That is asking for an opinion (i.e. determining if something is “affordable” or not).
Earnestly
November 1st, 2012
3:40 pm
Republicans need constant reinforcement and rationalization of their ideals because they don’t want to admit that their greed drives their politics. Their are two camps opposed to Obamacare; insurance companies who won’t be able to make up their own rules and ignorant people who are afraid they will have to pay for someone else’s healthcare. The reason I call them ignorant is that we already pay for the less fortunate’s healthcare through taxes that support medicaid and public hospitals and by longer wait times in emergency rooms. What solution for the overwhelming cost of healthcare and the shameful number of people who can’t afford healthcare has your party proposed Mr. Wingfield? Let me guess, let the “free market” take care of it!
Earnestly
November 1st, 2012
3:42 pm
Yes, I know, there, not their.
Kyle Wingfield
November 1st, 2012
3:42 pm
Earnestly @ 3:40: I’ve written about alternative reforms many times before.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
3:43 pm
The early people of our country did not have health insurance
Note that we don’t live in caves and wear fig leaves anymore, either. It’s called progress.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
3:45 pm
Earnestly, I don’t think the insurance co’s are against ACA at all. They have to cover everyone but, at the same time, they get a broader base of revenue to pay for that coverage.
ACA was hammered out with those insurance co’s at the table.
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
Finn happily reports that he read where “Republicans believe in demon possession”..
We all know that’s a case of hokus pokus. But , if I keep reading Finn’s devilish posts, I just might be persuaded about those possessive little demons.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm
Earnestly, if my health insurance premiums aren’t going to pay for the uninsured, why are they still going up?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm
Dusty, you cooking up brontasaurus tonight? I hear it’s good fried. Tastes like kittens.
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
Kyle – 2:19
Very well, I’ll word my question so you can’t use a non sequitur to dodge it.
Grover Norquist, an extreme right-wing Tea Party Republican, is the founder of Americans for Tax Reform, the group who made up this “tax form”. Why would you think he could present a balanced and fair picture of Obamacare?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
Why won’t Obozo show us HIS form?
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
Finn,
I was so happy to read your 3:43. I was sure you lived in a cave and wore a fig leaf. Good luck with the hut and the thong.
Tealiban Party
November 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
November 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Taliban, the only thing missing from your post is any sort of grain of truth.
You seem to be confusing me with the Romney campaign.
md
November 1st, 2012
3:59 pm
Obamacare is a bit like raising teens, one can counsel them until they are blue in the face but the teen will not understand it until the get to experience it……some learn by listening but most learn by doing. Once the full force of Obamacare hits the pocketbooks of the middle class they will then sit up and take notice……the changes to fsa’s, hsa’s, the hidden taxes, the cost to medicare,etc etc……
On top of that, once the masses realize that it is an entitlement program and the feds get to manage it, they will realize that the Big Gulp is just the tip of the iceberg.
Warning to all fat people (obese to the pc crowd), you are in the cross-hairs…….if you think the number one killer and the number one cause for rising hc costs will be left unchecked to screw up the cost structure of the dems shiny new baby you are fooling yourselves………
Beware the twinkie tax, and the halloween tax, and every other tax that will discourage all the fat people from choosing to be fat………………..it’s coming, mark my words.
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
No bias whatsoever… correct? It’s just a non-biased, informational attempt to show the American public a form they MIGHT be subjected to, correct? Nothing implied at all about this form and the information contained within, right?
If that’s the case, then why make the effort?
Matz
November 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
Guess what? The Ninja Turtle at my front door last night wasn’t really a Ninja Turtle; he was a small, extraordinarily cute human boy.
Halloween was yesterday, Mr. Wingfield. Trotting out Mr. Norquist’s tax form costume and trying to scare everybody with it is so… well… last month.
JDW
November 1st, 2012
4:04 pm
After the election Grover will edit this line…
“If Mitt Romney defeats President Obama on Election Day, November 6, 2012, and Republicans take control of the Senate and maintain their majority in the US House, youmay disregard this form as Romney has promised to repeal Obamacare.”
to read…
Since Mitt Romney has been defeated on Election Day, November 6, 2012, and Republicans have failed in the quest for control of the Senate and the majority in the US House has been reduced, it is now time for panic. Obamacare will not be repealed and our lies will be dragged into the open unless you act now. Send as much money as you can to Grover Norquist c/o Americans for Tax Reform and I will spread it around to the remaining Republican Senators in the hopes that we can keep filibustering until we can create a new set of lies.”
I am sure Georgia will be fertile fund raising ground for this effort.
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
4:04 pm
“Earnestly, if my health insurance premiums aren’t going to pay for the uninsured, why are they still going up?”
Because that’s what they do… every year without fail or explanation… each and every year. Thank goodness somebody finally decided to try and do something about it. Too bad wingnuts hate the color of that persons skin more than they care about the economy or the middle class…
md
November 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
” The reason I call them ignorant is that we already pay for the less fortunate’s healthcare through taxes that support medicaid and public hospitals and by longer wait times in emergency rooms.”
And the not so ignorant understand that obamacare will make it worse……..want to guess what happened to the ER’s in MA after they passed their version? Yep, it got worse……why you say? Because the element that was using the er as their own personal doctors convenience store could still do it AND they had a shiny new card courtesy of the taxpayer to pay for it…….the best of both worlds.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
Sorry to disappoint you Dusty but I can’t rock a thong.
hat would keep all the neanderthals in stitches 24/7.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
4:07 pm
AND they had a shiny new card courtesy of the taxpayer to pay for it…….the best of both worlds.
AND who was paying for it before the Romneycare version?
ummm, tax payers?
JDW
November 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
“The early people of our country did not have health insurance”
Well they didn’t have doctors either Dusty, you think we should give those up as well? How about computers or TV maybe even your smartphone….argghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
So folks that were already using the ER for free medical care started using the ER for free medical care even more once they got a shiny card?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
“Too bad wingnuts hate the color of that persons skin more than they care about the economy or the middle class…”
You do know playing that card reflects more on you than those you assume it may apply to….right?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:13 pm
“AND who was paying for it before the Romneycare version?”
Yes, taxpayers…..but not near as frequently……..now, even the occasional runny nose gets put on the card…………it’s a freebie with no limitations……..of course the costs will go up as the frequency of use goes up………..
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
4:13 pm
You do know playing that card reflects more on you than those you assume it may apply to….right?
Not really. But it sounds like a nice, if ineffective, out.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
“So folks that were already using the ER for free medical care started using the ER for free medical care even more once they got a shiny card?”
Yes………..”even more” being the operative words………..
Ray
November 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
You know, we wouldn’t need any new forms like this, or something similar, if we had just passed something like the public option for health care. But Obama tried to compromise and go for this Heritage Foundation plan, to keep private health insurance companies involved as the promary payor of health care services. A lot of good trying to compromise and put forth a conservative plan did for Obama among conservatives.
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
4:16 pm
LilBarry,
Would you please rephrase your 3:51 question “Why won’t Obozo show HIS form?”
I mean after Prince Harry showed HIS.. …oh nevermind.. let us move on. They are both supplied with health insurance at government expense………..
Yo yo yo
November 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
md
And you will have a CHOICE not to purchase those food if your assertions come to fruition?
It is all about CHOICES, remember?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
“Not really. But it sounds like a nice, if ineffective, out.”
Yes, really……it makes one look super stupid to paint an entire group of people with one broad brush…….folks that try to defend that look equally foolish………
old timer
November 1st, 2012
4:21 pm
“I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.”
You probably won’t get reliable, affordable health care for any Americans. We will get higher costs, long lines and long waits for treatment.
Cutty
November 1st, 2012
4:24 pm
” It’s a mock-up of one by Americans for Tax Reform.”
Didn’t need to read any further. Wingfield is parroting junk from Grover Norquist. That’s scraping the bottom of the barrel, even for you Kyle.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:24 pm
yo yo yo……I feel for you if you think it is ok for the gov’t to single out any behavior that may be bad for us, where in the world would you draw the line??
I hate smoking, but I’ll defend those that choose to do it as it is none of my business how they go about killing themselves…….but once we as a society allow the vices of others to be outlawed then there will be no one left to fight when they come for our vices……it’s not up to some group of politicians to tell us what choices to make………may as well put chips in our skulls if one believes otherwise.
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
4:26 pm
JDW
Pioneers did not have doctors but they moved on steadfastly.. We HAVE to have doctors at government expense or we shall all perish. (Lib mantra!)
Who do you think now has more the spirit of independence and self reliance? I know it is hard for you but guess guess guess????? It aint liberals, oh pompous one…
independent thinker
November 1st, 2012
4:29 pm
Amazing how the cons will worship and glorify anything coming from Norquist and El Rushbo. They will even make it the highlight of their editorials.
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
4:31 pm
Rightwing Troll – 4:04
They want a whiter White House so much the’re willing to sacrifice their own well being to a George W. Bush close.
md – Sometimes, race REALLY matters in people’s thinking. Yours, for example.
John Roberts, fmr. reliable conservative
November 1st, 2012
4:34 pm
Kyle on behalf of myself and all ObamaCare supporters I want to thank Americans For Tax Reform for making it clear in Part IV of Form OBMA that the individual mandate penalty is not a penalty at all, but a tax. I’m still pattin’ myself on the back for coming up with that idea!
JDW
November 1st, 2012
4:36 pm
@Dusty…”We HAVE to have doctors at government expense or we shall all perish.”
Most likely, Aubrey de Gray notwithstanding, we shall all perish anyway. However with doctors at the best price and availiblity for all it shall be later rather than sooner which most of us prefer.
“Who do you think now has more the spirit of independence and self reliance?”
Why those that fight for longer life and better health of course…it keeps you out of diapers and the nursing homes.
“It aint liberals, oh pompous one…”
A matter of perspective and I am ok with mine.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:37 pm
“md – Sometimes, race REALLY matters in people’s thinking. Yours, for example.”
Race isn’t the factor, stupidity is………you sure you want to join them??
Painting any group of individuals with a broad brush for any reason is stupid………….
mike
November 1st, 2012
4:38 pm
This really makes one wonder why all those Republicans were for before they were against it? All I can attribute it to is one of those end of the earth Mayan calendar things. How else can you explain it?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:40 pm
” I’m still pattin’ myself on the back for coming up with that idea!”
Actually, Rpberts didn’t come up with the idea, it was argued as a tax in the briefs prepared by this admin…….they told the public it was not a tax yet filed court docs claiming it might be……..and many fell for it.
mike
November 1st, 2012
4:45 pm
That is not to say that I am a fan of the ACA — I am not. We have turned insurance into an administration agency. Which do you think would be cheaper: buying your own prescription drugs or paying an insurance company to do it for you? What do you think the no lifetime cap on benefits did to the price of insurance? How about no coverage for pre-existing conditions?
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
4:48 pm
carlosgvv
So “we” want a whiter WhiteHouse? Please give us instruction as to what color we should prefer.. How about purple with orange striipes? Pale green with pink?
The Constitution does not give color instructions so I kinda thought we had ironed all this out and might even elect a black president and a white vice presiden or a white president and maybe a black secretary of state. You just never know do you?
Anyway, the citizens of the USA will vote next week. I am sure you will support the next president that the people of America have chosen. Rright? (Yes, I am planning to do just that after I vote.)
Yo yo yo
November 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
md
Thanks for at least being honest enough to admit that your “choice” shtick that you love to tout out is applicable when it meets your narrative.
Now have a drink and carry on, Mr Choices when it suits me.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
If America is so racist, why was Barry elected to begin with? This excuse for his failure and poorly thought out policies, is to be expected, but so lame.
Matz
November 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
Pioneers did not have doctors but they moved on steadfastly.
Except those who got sick the way I did this year. They died. Buh, bye. Nice knowin’ ya.
We HAVE to have doctors at government expense or we shall all perish. (Lib mantra!)
Actually, just having doctors who are (a) accessible, (b) affordable, (c) actually give a darn whether you live for die would be awesome! That’s hard enough now even with “good” insurance! Can’t even get an appt without ins., let alone a treatment plan going forward. No way for most to pay the bills afterward on their own. As for the give-a-darn factor, I don’t know what they’re teaching these little know-it-alls at “medical assistant” college, but caring about the problems of sick people is NOT in the curriculum!
Who do you think now has more the spirit of independence and self reliance?
Thank GOD I had insurance and the intelligence and assertiveness to advocate for my own health, research, ask the right questions, and relate my deteriorating condition. I’d be dead by now if I hadn’t been able to do these things for myself. What do the less fortunate people do? They DIE, and Dusty probably applauds them for doing so.
I know it is hard for you but guess guess guess????? It aint liberals, oh pompous one…
That’s just an ignorant, bigoted statement.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
“Thanks for at least being honest enough to admit that your “choice” shtick that you love to tout out is applicable when it meets your narrative.”
You aren’t making any sense……we already have the choice to eat those foods……what you seem to be in favor of is NOT having the choice to eat those foods as we see fit but as another greater power sees fit………if you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
I’ll ask again, where do you draw the line if you are in favor of limiting/restricting choices??
kay
November 1st, 2012
4:58 pm
I don’t know if this is a vote for or against this provision because filing out one page of mostly yes or no check boxes is going to add an additional two minutes to my tax time. Even less in the subsequent years because that info will already be filled in from the year before. (Does anyone fill out the tax forms by hand anymore?). If this was meant to freak someone out, its a major fail. its actually much more pleasant than I would have guessed.
MarkV
November 1st, 2012
4:59 pm
Kyle,
Tell us, what exactly is your problem with the form – even if it were real? Are you afraid you would not be capable of filling it in?
Yo yo yo
November 1st, 2012
5:01 pm
md
Ok Mr Choices
What a pansy self serving shtick you have. Read it a few times.
But thanks for the exchange. Try to find some humor along the way in life. You come across as much too dry, but of course that is a choice as well
Adios
Junior Samples
November 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
OUCH!
http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/files/documents/CRSTaxesandtheEconomy%20Top%20Rates.pdf
So tax cuts for the wealthy don’t work after all, and the republicans suppressed the report.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
Yeh Kyle, what’s the matter with a huge tax increase on the middle class? (sarc)
Us folks that haven’t read through it don’t care if it will cost us a ton of money………we like the idea of “buy a thug and insurance policy” day…………..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
I can see why the libs this afternoon are in a singularly humorless mood, given the pasting Kyle gave them on the charter school amendment earlier today.
Lighten up, Francis.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Well don’t run off yo yo, come back and at least try to put up a reasoned debate…….or you can choose to slink away……………..
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Ah, the joys of single-payer health care. Can’t wait till we get this here:
NHS millions for controversial care pathway
The majority of NHS hospitals in England are being given financial rewards for placing terminally-ill patients on a controversial “pathway” to death, it can be disclosed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9644287/NHS-millions-for-controversial-care-pathway.html
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Dusty – 4:48
I know you think that’s humorous but I’ve heard funnier things in a sinking lifeboat.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
“As confirmed by IRS testimony to the tax-writing House Committee on Ways and Means, “taxpayers will file their tax returns reporting their health insurance coverage, and/or making a payment”.
So why will the Obama IRS require your personal identifying health information?
Simply put, there is no way for the IRS to enforce Obamacare’s individual mandate without such an invasive reporting scheme. Every January, health insurance companies across America will send out tax documents to each insured individual. This tax document—a copy of which will be furnished to the IRS—must contain sufficient information for taxpayers to prove that they purchased qualifying health insurance under Obamacare.
This new tax information document must, at a minimum, contain: the name and health insurance identification number of the taxpayer; the name and tax identification number of the health insurance company; the number of months the taxpayer was covered by this insurance plan; and whether or not the plan was purchased in one of Obamacare’s “exchanges.” ”
http://www.atr.org/new-obamacare-tax-form-mandates-americans-a7285
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
md – 4:37
Stupid is the large group of individuals who will vote for Romney. It’s no suprise you’re in that group.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:12 pm
All that bill for basically nothing:
CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured
” A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says that under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, 30 million non-elderly Americans will remain without health insurance in 2022.”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-leave-30-million-uninsured
DawgDad
November 1st, 2012
5:12 pm
I saw this form on-line earlier today. I do hope people get upset; they should. Illegal immigrants and people on welfare are “exempt”. Many companies (thousands, last I heard) , many huge ones, are already getting “waivers”.
This is the face of socialism. Intrusive/prying government, taxing Peter to pay for Paul, extorting support or passive acceptance from the public, wielding power and doling out benefits or penalty waivers – for what in return? Incremental tyranny.
There is a huge, HUGE difference in providing personal health information to your private insurer and providing it to the government, ANY government. Private insurers can’t legally “write off” anybody, or use the information for illegal purposes, they have to live up to the terms of their contracts. The government can, either for the “collective good” (as those in power define it), for political purposes, out of corruption, or just out of plain incompetence.
Obamacare/government healthcare is the WRONG solution. A lot of us will keep up the fight until it is history.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:14 pm
“Stupid is the large group of individuals who will vote for Romney. It’s no suprise you’re in that group.”
Now there’s some good reasoned debate….thanks for the intellectual stimulation………..it goes hand in hand with calling everyone that doesn’t agree with the ideology of the left racists………
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
Obamacare exempts millions–prisoners, illegals, welfare recipients
“In just 14 months, Americans will be required to prove that they have federally “qualified” health insurance or face an Obamacare tax of $695 to $2,085. That is unless you are in prison, below the poverty line, or are an undocumented immigrant, according to the anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform.
When added together, those three groups total up to one-sixth of the nation’s population of 314 million: 218,929 are in federal prisons, 12 million are illegals and 42 million are below the poverty line and eligible for welfare, though some fit into all three categories, according to federal reports.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-exempts-millions-prisoners-illegals-welfare-recipients/article/2512205#.UJLmNG88CSq
mike
November 1st, 2012
5:19 pm
R.I.P. Pascual Perez. Murdered in robbery in the Dominican Republic.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:22 pm
Obamacare/government healthcare is the WRONG solution. A lot of us will keep up the fight until it is history.
Let me know how that works out for you.
I got news for you. Universal Healthcare is here to stay.
Just like it already is in every well established democracy in the world.
FYI Gay Marriage being legal is next and there is no stopping that one either.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:24 pm
“In just 14 months, Americans will be required to prove that they have federally “qualified” health insurance or face an Obamacare tax of $695 to $2,085.
Dang right. I have insurance and im tired of paying for you freeloaders.
Why should I have to pay and you get free care at emergency rooms for the sniffles.
Its time to pay up deadbeats.
H.E. Pennypacker
November 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
Kyle,
Given that both candidates worked hard in courting Michael Bloomberg’s endorsement it seems a bit dismissive to try to equate it with that of Donald Trump’s and sweep it under the rug, (no pun intended). I can’t imagine many independents and/or undecideds taking the GOP flamethrower’s opinion into consideration in these closing days.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/nyregion/tough-criticism-of-candidates-by-bloomberg.html?pagewanted=all
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
it goes hand in hand with calling everyone that doesn’t agree with the ideology of the left racists………
They aren’t all racist. Kyle for instance isn’t.
But if you think for a second someone calling Obama a Socialist or Communist or Muslim really means that you’re wrong. They probably dont know what those words even mean.
What they really want to say is that he is a Ni**er. But they know that will get them in trouble.
So they use Muslim or Communist instead.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:28 pm
“FYI Gay Marriage being legal is next and there is no stopping that one either.”
And I can care less what individuals do, but I don’t think folks are really thinking this one through. It isn’t about gays marrying, it is about breaking down a line/definition/barrier that also has huge financial implications…….by removing the definition, it throws every entitlement program we have into financial chaos………especially once the line is down, then it won’t just be who is the spouse but how many spouses one can have. It’s all financial.
Get ready for the debates on SS survivor benefits, and family welfare benefits, and on and on……the can has more worms in it than one can imagine……….
If one thinks we have problems funding the entitlement programs now, especially with the baby boomers, they haven’t seen anything yet…………..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
5:29 pm
Pennypacker, Obama can have that snivelling midgets endorsement.
It’s not worth a damn in swing or red states
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:30 pm
Given that both candidates worked hard in courting Michael Bloomberg’s endorsement it seems a bit dismissive to try to equate it with that of Donald Trump’s and sweep it under the rug,
Agreed. Because as we all know the duly elected mayor of the largest city in the United States is on par with a reality TV star with a catch phrase.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
“Dang right. I have insurance and im tired of paying for you freeloaders.
Why should I have to pay and you get free care at emergency rooms for the sniffles.
Its time to pay up deadbeats.”
You do know that is a fallacy of a belief…….the deadbeats will still not be paying, they will be multiplying……at your expense. aca EXPANDS medicaid, aka the deadbeats…………
mike
November 1st, 2012
5:31 pm
Stephenson Billings: I read your post @ 5:06 in its entirety. I think you are shooting for cheap hysterics here. My Mother died from colon cancer. When she was diagnosed, she was already Stage 4 (advanced). In her final days, she didn’t need any tests or procedures to tell her the inevitable. What she did need was caring and concerned palliative care (the alleviation of pain and suffering). I’m surprised that you would stoop to such cheap and alarmist posts to advance a non-caring agenda. You should be ashamed.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
It’s not worth a damn in swing or red states
Red states certainly not. They aren’t going to vote for a black man if he had the cure for cancer.
Swing states probably so. Especially one like Ohio.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
“What they really want to say is that he is a Ni**er. But they know that will get them in trouble.”
The problem comes in when “they” includes everyone opposed to the left. I’m sure there are plenty of folks that have a problem with race, but trying to apply it to everyone that may use a certain term or word is where the problem comes in………..that’s just pure assumption.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
“Its time to pay up deadbeats”
Yet, approximately 30 million STILL won’t have insurance per the CBO and millions more will be exempt. Seems to me it doesn’t really solve anything.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:36 pm
Either way I’m ( obviously ) and Obama supporter.
And let me tell you I feel really really good about Tuesday.
Increasingly Romney s chances are coming down to the polls being wrong.
While there is a chance of that. I wouldn’t want to bet on it.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:36 pm
mike @ 5:31
Don’t blame me, blame the Brits.
I think it’s uncaring to reward hospitals for basically removing people from their expense sheet.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
The problem comes in when “they” includes everyone opposed to the left.
If you would have read the whole thing you would have seen I made exactly that point.
When I hear Muslim I know what its code for.
I’m not stupid.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
Cheesy, I suggest you ask almost every independent you can find in Ohio and see what they think about limiting their big gulp.
You won’t get the reaction you think you will.
Bloomberg is your God of regulations, not the rest of us in the real world.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
md
Entitlements is an issue that would have to be addressed if gay marriage were legalized.
That is a good point. With that said, it should have absolutely zero baring on whether the Supreme Court hears a case and if they do, how they rule on it in terms of its legality.
But nice spin and deflection. Seems like a cozy place for you to say on one hand, I don’t care, but on the other keep true to a more conservative leaning stance. You deserve credit for coming up with that one. Kudos to you.
mike
November 1st, 2012
5:41 pm
Stephenson Billings: I do blame you. You and your pathetic article are trying to indict the British NHS and, by extension, the American health care system for simply acknowledging the inevitable: we’re all going to die. Your reasoning (by posting that article) is that we should continue to spend inordinate amounts of time and money on patients when the outcome is inevitable. Again, you should be ashamed of yourself.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:41 pm
“When I hear Muslim I know what its code for.
I’m not stupid.”
No you don’t, you “ASSUME” that you know what it means, but in actuality, there are people out there that think he was born outside the US and is a muslim……that doesn’t necessarily equate to racism……..stupidity maybe, racism no……….
md
November 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
“But nice spin and deflection. Seems like a cozy place for you to say on one hand, I don’t care, but on the other keep true to a more conservative leaning stance. You deserve credit for coming up with that one. Kudos to you.”
It can’t be spin when one is merely pointing out the obvious…….as i said, the debate is just getting started. And when if the SC rules that anyone can marry anyone, the next logical step is to ask how many they may marry, for that too is an arbitrary line………..
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
5:45 pm
md
You do not like others generalizing but you are pretty good with a wide brush yourself.
The irony and hypocrisy just zooms right over your head.
H.E. Pennypacker
November 1st, 2012
5:48 pm
It’s not worth a damn in swing or red states
Tell that to the 514,000 Jewish people living in South Florida.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_urban_areas
mike
November 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
Most of what is uttered by the right is long on hysteria and short on truth.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
5:49 pm
md
Spin all you like if that makes you feel better, but any ruling should not involve those issues you mentioned. It would only need to be addressed if ruled legal. If not then there isn’t an issue.
It is a comfortable place for you to hide. That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
5:50 pm
Carlos
I wasn not being humorous about the White House .But what you brought up I thought was rediculous. America is supposed to be one for all and all for one. But you always forget.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
5:52 pm
Like the phony war on women, Mikey?
Your monopoly on hysteria knows no bounds.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:55 pm
mike @ 5:41 –
not sure what I should be ashamed about. I didn’t write the article. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the journalist who wrote it.
But, IMO, the NHS should be ashamed of themselves for more or less competing to see how many patients they can put on the “pathway to death” to increase their bottom line, and in some instances without the consent of relatives or the patient recovered. To me, that’s uncaring at best, criminal at worst.
Unfortunately a lot of people in this country want to head in this direction. Things like this and death panels are inevitable because, as the saying goes, you eventually run out of other people’s money.
MarkV
November 1st, 2012
5:56 pm
Obamacare supporters: Millions more people will get health insurance.
Obamacare opponents: We will have to fill in a one-page form!
Dusty: Freedom and independence will be lost!
An Observer
November 1st, 2012
5:57 pm
Isn’t Obamacare free? Why then do I have to fill out a tax form? Something strange is going on here.
mike
November 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
In fact, I would like to offer a brief commentary about the right in America.
They ship your job to China then chastise you for being one of the 47% who doesn’t pay any taxes.
They mock you working at your $7.25/hour job by saying that you vote yourself largesse.
They laud war in all its glory in the name of patriotism.
They gleefully allow their Constitutional rights to be taken away in the name of homeland security.
They relish tax breaks for the rich and the treatment of investment income as capital gains or interest income taxed at 15%.
They want to establish their own school system of “separate but unequal.”
They demonize unions even though most of them enjoy working conditions that union members fought and died for.
But, most of all, they live in this selfish, take-all-you-get world of mindless accumulation. Completely devoid of any sense of community.
Georgia
November 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
That OBMA form is a long way to go for no laugh, or point. And isn’t publishing chuckleheaded tax forms like taking digital photos of our currency? I mean, it’s gotta be so illegal. But I won’t turn anyone in. I’m no rat.
I love it when I Kaiser Soze Kyle.
MarkV
November 1st, 2012
6:09 pm
Stephenson Billings @5:12 pm: All that bill for basically nothing: ” A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says that under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, 30 million non-elderly Americans will remain without health insurance in 2022.”
Leaving out, naturally, the little detail that ACA “will reduce the number of nonelderly people without health insurance coverage by 14 million in 2014 and by 29 million or 30 million in the latter part of the coming decade.”
For Stephenson Billings, 14 million in 2014 and 29 million or 30 million later isI “basically nothing.” Typical.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
6:10 pm
Nice cut and paste job there, Mikey. Did you get those from the dnc or George Soros?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
6:12 pm
It will be nothing because President Romney is going to fix it so it will actually work.
DawgDad
November 1st, 2012
6:13 pm
I won’t respond to all your points, but a couple deserve comment. First, “the right” didn’t ship your job to China. You are working here in the USA, right?
“They demonize unions even though most of them enjoy working conditions that union members fought and died for.”
Over-dramatizing this just a bit don’t you think? Died for? Oh, I’m sure somewhere along the line some people died, but “fought and died for” implies a quite different kind of struggle.
I’m a manager in a Fortune 500 company and I don’t think many union members would tolerate my working conditions.
“But, most of all, they live in this selfish, take-all-you-get world of mindless accumulation. Completely devoid of any sense of community.”
Really? How in the world would YOU know? Answer is, you don’t. For starts, check Romney’s tax return vs. Obummer.
mike
November 1st, 2012
6:15 pm
No cut & paste, Tiberius. All original.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
6:16 pm
“For Stephenson Billings, 14 million in 2014 and 29 million or 30 million later isI “basically nothing.” Typical.”
So let me get this straight. We had to pass this bill because there are approximately 30-40 million Americans w/o insurance currently. By 2022, there will still be approximately 30 million uninsured. Guess that makes perfect sense to libs…..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
Then I feel sorry for you that you are so genetically stupid that you believe that crap, Mikey.
You are everything we’ve come to expect from years of government education.
mike
November 1st, 2012
6:19 pm
Dawgdad: “I’m a manager in a Fortune 500 company and I don’t think many union members would tolerate my working conditions.”
I sincerely hope that you are not getting close to your 50th birthday. See you in the unemployment line.
Oh, how far the pompous self-righteous fall when they fall. By the way, have you given any thought about your upcoming “second” career?
MarkV
November 1st, 2012
6:21 pm
Stephenson Billings @ 6:16 pm
Still can’t figure out the 14 million in 2014 and by 29 million or 30 million in the latter part of the coming decade that will be insured because of ACA?
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
6:22 pm
….not to mention that millions more will be exempt from the mandate….
obamacreep
November 1st, 2012
6:30 pm
You missed the part about the abortion credit, Wingnut.
obamacreep
November 1st, 2012
6:31 pm
Oh yeah and the if you were raped by a family member exemption.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
6:33 pm
I see the trolls have arrived. Must be a slow day at Bookman’s blog.
obamacreep
November 1st, 2012
6:33 pm
Plus, we’re considering a dirty floor/ train offset in honor of sandra fluke. The more that you lay, the less you will pay, that’s what biden says.
obamacreep
November 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
Got ten kids you don’t really want? We got a deduction for that.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
All Obozocare does is improve the self-esteem of the deadbeat class. Instead of showing up at the emergency room and having to acknowledge the fact that they’re deadbeats, they will now have health insurance just like the folks who work for a living, paid for by…the folks who work for a living.
mike
November 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
I think “obamacreep” is on your side, Stephenson. At least, that’s what it seems.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
6:43 pm
Lil Barry
Well I for one will be glad your self esteem has been boosted and you will not have to keep going to the emergency room for the sniffles. Good for your Barry.
cc
November 1st, 2012
6:44 pm
ObamaCare is not about healthcare. It is a massive redistribution of wealth. The redistribution of wealth is the purpose of the legislation.
Healthcare is expensive enough, and the cost of insurance is expensive. Adding a federal bureaucracy plus thousands of IRS agents to enforce this redistribution of wealth will increase the costs dramatically.
If “the poor” can’t afford healthcare, taxpayers could have supported a program using tax dollars for them much, much more easily than paying the price ObamaCare will cost, but as I stated, healthcare was not the motivation anyway.
I do have a very real problem paying for healthcare for people who can’t afford it, but can afford lottery scratch-offs, beer, wine, cigarettes and dope.
I guess I’m just not sympathetic enough . . .
mike
November 1st, 2012
6:51 pm
cc: “If “the poor” can’t afford healthcare, taxpayers could have supported a program using tax dollars for them much, much more easily than paying the price ObamaCare will cost, but as I stated, healthcare was not the motivation anyway.”
cc, I don’t how to break this to you so I’m going to try to do it the easy way. We already have a program like you describe — it’s called Medicaid. Which, of course, is on the chopping block if Romney/Ryan are elected.
Gotcha
November 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
You are referring to an organization led by Grover Norquist? The one who mandates that all GOP elected officials take a “no new tax” pledge? Please. Train wreck!!!
obamacreep
November 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
Why has mike forsaken me? Has he seen through my facade?
Have I not hooked you up with food stamps, mikey? Have I not swaddled your children in sack clothe? Do I not provide you with a hovel to live in, when the crackheads are not squatting in it?
What makes you think I will not give you the finest health care system in the world?
mike
November 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
You know, it’s really hard to defend the indefensible. It’s tough when your whole ideology is built on lies. When selfishness and greed are paramount in your life, it becomes impossible to face life when you fall from grace and lose your job and find yourself on the outside looking in. When you champion the unvarnished greed of the corporate class, you can’t help but be disappointed in the end. For you see, they don’t really care about you, it’s all about the money.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
mike: Medicaid. Which, of course, is on the chopping block if Romney/Ryan are elected.
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Link please.
Didn’t think so.
Liar.
obamacreep
November 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
Yes, in my health care system, just like the post office, there will be many lines to endure on the way to your free abortion. And you may not survive it. But the key word here is “free.”
So pay up.
mike
November 1st, 2012
7:02 pm
obamacreep: “Why has mike forsaken me? Has he seen through my facade?
Have I not hooked you up with food stamps, mikey? Have I not swaddled your children in sack clothe? Do I not provide you with a hovel to live in, when the crackheads are not squatting in it?
What makes you think I will not give you the finest health care system in the world?”
Try to take it easy. They’re on their way. They know it wasn’t your fault that you “got out.” You’ll be back where you’re safe in just a little bit. Until then, try to remain calm.
mike
November 1st, 2012
7:07 pm
Lil’ Barry: Link please.
Didn’t think so.
Liar.
“Romney supports a plan that would reduce federal Medicaid funding for states by 38 percent. Arizona and Rhode Island, like other states that have reformed Medicaid with federal approval, did so by tapping funding above what Romney’s proposal would allow. Romney’s Medicaid proposal could even jeopardize the health care reform law he enacted as governor of Massachusetts in 2006, which is partially financed by federal Medicaid dollars.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/mitt-romney-medicaid-cuts_n_2004019.html
BTW, Kyle, I hope you took note of this personal attack. I think calling someone a liar should warrant a few days off.
Lil’ Barry, you just never learn, do you?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
7:10 pm
It’s not a “personal attack” if it’s true. Medicaid isn’t on the chopping block. You should know better than to take on folks who know what they’re talking about. Hanging out with libtards you’re not used to that.
Liar.
mike
November 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
Now, Lil’ Barry, try to calm down! Otherwise you’re going to “blow a gasket!” I guess you didn’t get a chance to peruse the link and quote I posted. Lil’ Barry, I wouldn’t want you to go and have a heart attack on us or anything!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
A link to Huffpo? Why bother.
President Romney’s Medicaid plan increases funding every year. Hardly on the “chopping block”.
Next.
mike
November 1st, 2012
7:19 pm
“There’s a reason that hearses aren’t equipped with trailer hitches: you can’t take it with you. Whatever material gain we get in this life, whatever we earn, accumulate, hoard, store, once we are gone, it’s no longer ours. Because you can’t take it with you.”
http://marthame.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/hearseuhaul011.jpg?w=500
By all means, scratch, claw, cheat, steal, deceive anything to accumulate more in this world. There’s just one small problem: there’s only so much they can squeeze into that casket with you! Enjoy
mike
November 1st, 2012
7:22 pm
“wo-thirds of nursing home patients are covered by Medicaid, some six million Americans. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan both have plans that will slash that coverage. Romney has largely avoided providing specifics for what he’d cut, but his balanced budget proposal, including his tax cuts for the wealthy, would mean that programs like Medicaid would have to be cut drastically: 29 percent in 2016 and 59 percent in 2022. It basically means that Romney’s Medicaid cuts would be deeper than Ryan’s.
Ryan’s plan has been all spelled out: $800 billion in cuts to Medicaid in the next decade. That’s a one-third cut in projected spending. By 2050 it would be cut in half. He’d block grant what was left of the money to the states, forcing them to decide where to put their scarce resources: taking care of poor children or taking care of the sickest elderly. Now we’re talking death panels, created by the GOP’s social Darwinism.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/22/1093853/-CBPP-Mitt-Romney-s-budget-would-gut-Medicare-Medicaid-and-assistance-programs
Lil’ Barry: do I need to get out a sand box and draw you a picture?
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
7:23 pm
mike
People like Barry, regardless of political affiliation, are unable to calm down. They are faux alphas and when not looking at a person face to face, they get this sense of being a man as they type away anonymously. Bet his little bird chest gets all inflated when he is on this or any blog.
Just laugh like everyone else does. Very amusing to say the least. He thinks he is tough. Probably the best shadow boxer in his mom’s basement.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
7:25 pm
scratch, claw, cheat, steal, deceive anything to accumulate more in this world
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Most people just work, save, and invest.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
“That’s a one-third cut in projected spending.”
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Translation: Two thirds of Obozo’s planned spending increases remain intact.
Not exactly “on the chopping block”, is it?
You lied and got caught.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
mike, you can’t take it with you, but you can leave your family better off, than you were starting out, which is a noble goal. If everyone quit living for today and started putting something away to help their children and grandchildren, we would be better off as a society. Plus, it belongs to me, I should decide, who gets it.
We were better able to do that, until we decided it was OK, for the government to take from some and give to others. Do you support the government taking money from my pocket, without my permission, and using this money to support another person. Legalized robbery, without the gun and mask.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
7:40 pm
And you may not survive it (abortion).
Now that is funny!
Coming from a member of the Coathanger Party!
Good times in the 1950s…
mike
November 1st, 2012
7:41 pm
rafe: “Do you support the government taking money from my pocket, without my permission, and using this money to support another person.”
Yes, if they are genuinely in need, but I do object to the government taking money from my pocket, without my permission, and using this money ($Trillions) to support wars based on lies.
BTW, how much do think someone on welfare gets a month? How about EBT? SNAP? Think they’re living high on the hog? Look it up and please post links. And please don’t post that absurd post about how much someone “earns” on public assistance. We’ve already seen that and debunked it.
obamacreep
November 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
Rafe – I’m thinking mike doesn’t have a family…
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
Deadbeat Democrats don’t care how much government takes from the productive. The deadbeat has nothing and has no reason to fear the government taking it.
mike
November 1st, 2012
7:56 pm
Lil’ Barry: “Deadbeat Democrats don’t care how much government takes from the productive. The deadbeat has nothing and has no reason to fear the government taking it.”
Imbecile Republicans could care less how much the government takes from them and wastes on wars based on deceptions. Romney = more war. How about the draft? Iraq and Afghanistan was small time. Time to shoot the works.
Lil’ Barry, I can only imagine how sad it must be to be you. Your role on this blog has been reduced to posting insults and nothing of substance.
Randy Ayn
November 1st, 2012
7:59 pm
Who are these deadbeat Democrats? Are they the people that I see wound around the block whenever there’s a job fair somewhere? Are they the people cooking my burger at Wendy’s or working the checkout at Publix? Maybe they’re the older people collecting Social Security and Medicare beyond what they paid in. And who are those productive people? Are they the people who screw around on the Internet all day and collect a paycheck from their employer?
cc
November 1st, 2012
8:01 pm
“You know, it’s really hard to defend the indefensible. It’s tough when your whole ideology is built on lies”
You ought to know, Mike, You can’t defend, and your life is tough.
I feel so very sorry for you . . .
cc
November 1st, 2012
8:07 pm
“Your role on this blog has been reduced to posting insults and nothing of substance.”
EXACTLY what have you posted “of substance”?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:07 pm
Are they the people who screw around on the Internet all day and collect a paycheck from their employer?
No, they are the people who are or were valuable to their employer or are valuable to their employees. The people who decided to take the rough road and stay in school, study, learn, develop skills, gain employment and do right by their employer. They earn or earned their money and invested it wisely, they give to charity, give to government, and try and help those who help themselves. They prefer that their charitable contributions, were not skimmed off by ineffective and inefficient government. In other words, the opposite of an Obama voter.
mike
November 1st, 2012
8:14 pm
rafe: “The people who decided to take the rough road and stay in school, study, learn, develop skills, gain employment and do right by their employer.”
And, then, their jobs were outsourced to China.
And, then, they lost their jobs because of the housing bubble.
And, then, they lost their jobs because they got old (over 50).
And, then, they lost their jobs because they got sick.
And, then, they wondered why they were ever Republicans in the first place. Why they ever had loyalty to a party that kicks them when they’re down. That despises them in their adversity.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
8:14 pm
Rafe
Based on the demographics of the 2008 election, you are either uninformed or just a liar.
Go look it up then let us know which one.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
8:16 pm
Rafe
Let me know if I can assist you with anything else. Liar
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_08.html
Randy Ayn
November 1st, 2012
8:17 pm
Gosh, Rafe, except for the part about hating the government and Obama, you just described me. Frankly, I can’t imagine anyone who worked hard, saved money and had investments in 2008 wanting to go back to a GOP president. I like business, but I don’t trust it unchecked.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
8:18 pm
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:18 pm
The Brookings Institution has spent a great deal of effort studying this issue.
And presidential candidate Rick Santorum has been quoting their findings on the campaign trail.
Brookings whittled down a lot of analysis into three simple rules. You can avoid poverty by:
1. Graduating from high school.
2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.
3. Having a full-time job.
If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent. Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/opinion/editorials/2012-01-27/story/three-rules-staying-out-poverty#ixzz2B1HkMRlj
mike, doesn’t seem that hard to me!
roswell mom
November 1st, 2012
8:18 pm
I hear Rachel from Card Services is endorsing Romney.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
8:20 pm
Meat Loaf was on the stump with Romney
That is huge, especially when you throw in Ted Nuggent and Gene Simmons
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:24 pm
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2005/05/11/how_not_to_be_poor/page/full/
In case you never further tutoring, mike!
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
8:26 pm
Rafe
Why do the 2008 voting demographics meet your assertions?
Brainwashed willfully uninformed talk radio and right leaning website guy or liar?
What other choices are there, seeing that your assertion is not factual
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:29 pm
Meatloaf, Nugent and Simmons?
Wow.
The Larry and Curly and Moe of ex-rockers…
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:31 pm
Flintstones, I have no idea in the world what you are talking about, speak English.
Randy I didn’t say I hate the government or Obama, can’t you read? As far as going back to 2008, sign me up, the economy was doing well, and I made a heap mo money back then from investments, than is possible today.
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Rafe
Don’t run from your lie. Man up. Read your 8:07 then look at the facts, son.
You lied.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:35 pm
Flintstones
You must have me confused or your thought process is confused, I never said anything about how anyone voted or any group voted. Apparently most everyone, was taken in by the unspecific “hope and change” and voted for Barry the Great Mistake. Thankfully, we get a second chance to correct this dreadful mistake.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:38 pm
There is nothing in the 8:07 about any voting tendencies or history. Hard to debate someone who can’t read.
Randy Ayn
November 1st, 2012
8:41 pm
Somehow, I think Rafe is beyond salvation. He’s one of those folks who equates Obama with the small percentage of people in society who really are moochers (yes, I’ll admit there are some, but they’re not all poor). Now, the fact that Obama got a good education and has a solid family doesn’t matter to him. The fact that business has done great under Obama (Dow up over 60% under Obama vs. down over 25% under GWB) doesn’t matter. The fact that the moochers in society are out-numbered by those who want to work doesn’t matter. In the words of that great American, Stephen Colbert, Rafe has felt the “truthiness” of his gut feelings about things. There are a ton of Rafes in Georgia, Alabama and the panhandle of Florida. Luckily, other citizens of other states don’t feel that way.
JamVet
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
As far as going back to 2008, sign me up, the economy was doing well…
Agreed.
Right up until the Bush-led trickle downers drove through 10 “Warning! Cliff Ahead!” signs, everything was going so damn great!
LOL!
mike
November 1st, 2012
8:43 pm
Things aren’t looking good for Romney/Ryan. Looks like they’ll have to enlist the help of old George W. (what was his name again?) to stump for them. Hehehehehehe!
Flinestones
November 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
Rafe
Your assertions do not match the facts. I am sure you were taught not to lie and taught your kids the same. At least I hope that was the case. If it was, why lie on this blog?
Is it a blog thing or just how you interact in life itself?
Not too late to stop. Start today. It will do you some good.
You can do this. It might take you some effort if it is a habit you have grown to use like a crutch over many years, however you do this.
Start today.
mike
November 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
I can’t think anything in the whole wide world I would rather do than “stick it” to Republican hypocrites. I now return your pathetic blog to you. You can come back out now. Good night!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
Things aren’t looking good for Romney/ Ryan??
What freaking weed is this mike dude smokin?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 1st, 2012
8:50 pm
Ah, mike is rollin up the A Pee and Wapo and smoking it.
That sheet will blow your mind, dude.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
Randy, no one opposes helping those in need. Obama’s policies encourage neediness. Look at the rise in disability claims. He has weakened disability requirements in order to hold down unemployment, i.e, move people there and get them off the unemployment rolls. He has weakened welfare requirements, by eliminating work requirements. He has made it easier to get food stamps. Notice how the food stamps rolls have grown. He has made Obamaphones easier to get.
He has been branded the least friendly to business President in recent memory. So, you say business is better under him, yet all the business organizations and groups oppose him.
A fact of life is, if you want more of something increase the incentives, if you want less of something, tax it. So, maybe we should tax poverty and we would have less of it.
I am out of here. Arguing with and trying to save Obamabots is not going to save me anyway. According to the REVeRAND Joe Lousy, I am going to hell anyway, being a white folk, as it is.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
8:58 pm
I’ll leave you with this,Obamabots, Romney up by 7% nationally in early voting, per exit polls.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
8:59 pm
It us amazing how detached from reality Mike (and some other libs) really are.
Downright scary how they let themselves be brainwashed
mike
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
it is sad to me that many of you folks actually think Obamacare has anything to do with your healthcare.
It is merely a mandate that requires everyone to purchase insurance. It is going to evolve into another giant drain on our system. Tax rates will be 20% higher over the next 5 years just so the government will be able to supply 30 million people with this insurance by using your money to do it. This is not free. This will be a total disaster. Just watch.
Liz
November 1st, 2012
9:41 pm
Kyle,
You referred us to other plans, but they were jokes when you really looked into them. Dr. Broun’s plan offered no high risk pools. His staff told me, instead of a high risk pool, Dr. Broun’s proposed tax credit to doctors for “pro-bono” work, limited to $7,000 or so, would provide health care for the uninsured. PLEASE.
md
November 1st, 2012
10:06 pm
Hide flintstone? hide from what?
I already said I don’t care who marries who…….so what exactly an I hiding from? Your assumptions would be better served if you actually state a case vs assuming one has a position and then running with your assumption.
I merely stated facts, you are more than welcome to explain to me where I may be wrong, but you don’t have the right to take the words and thoughts from your head and apply them to me……..
So, let’s start with you stating where I am off the track……….
Pizzaman
November 1st, 2012
10:27 pm
Just like we don’t know how Williar will “create” 12 million jobs, you don’t know what your talking about!
Dr. Pangloss
November 1st, 2012
11:22 pm
You mean somebody might have to fill out a form? Oh, the horror! How could anybody face that in modern times?
Randy Ayn
November 2nd, 2012
12:04 am
Who do you think lobbies for more food stamp spending? The CEO of Kraft asked Congress not to cut the funding. That should give you a hint. And those so-called Obamaphones are what’s been called life-line service and have been around for years. The phone companies lobby hard to get those programs passed. It makes pads their profits. The lobbyists are working for industries to get government money spent on their products. If you find the lobbyist working for the homeless guy on MARTA, let me know,.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
November 2nd, 2012
6:02 am
Bend over, Dr. Pangloss, Obozo has more government intrusion coming your way.
Stupid receptacles.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 2nd, 2012
8:05 am
Randy Ayn
So, it is for everyone’s benefit that the government is going broke providing benefits for every want and desire, is what you are saying. The beneficiaries are just doing us a favor, taking the benefits that profit all these companies. That is truly redistribution theory in action. I see you buy in.
This just reinforces what I said, Barry encourages more and more dependence on government, because in his mind that weakens the wealthy and boosts the poor. Goal, make us all suffer equally in a third world type economy. Economic justice imposed by some omnipotent benevolent party/individual.
Libs say that is not socialism, as Barry doesn’t want government to own business, so lets just call it Obamanism, and it is ruining the country.
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11:07 am
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bobmartens
November 2nd, 2012
6:44 pm
You are so right the conservatives spew venom! You see the truth is poison to a liberal because it kills their ideas! I cant imagine any one so stupid as to not see reality! But, se la vie.
Cameron
November 6th, 2012
10:20 am
I see Lil Barry is at it again, Myabe after tomorrow, no TONIGHT, When President Obama makes his VICTORY speech, he will SHUT UP! for a while at least!