REVEALED: What the IRS form for Obamacare might look like (click on link to see it)
OK, this is not an actual IRS document: It’s a mock-up of one by Americans for Tax Reform. But it incorporates requirements from Obamacare in the kind of form you can expect if President Obama is re-elected and Obamacare is fully implemented. Bottom line: Your 1040EZ form is getting longer and less EZ.
Yet another reason we should move Tax Day to the day before Election Day.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
4:04 pm
“Earnestly, if my health insurance premiums aren’t going to pay for the uninsured, why are they still going up?”
Because that’s what they do… every year without fail or explanation… each and every year. Thank goodness somebody finally decided to try and do something about it. Too bad wingnuts hate the color of that persons skin more than they care about the economy or the middle class…
md
November 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
” The reason I call them ignorant is that we already pay for the less fortunate’s healthcare through taxes that support medicaid and public hospitals and by longer wait times in emergency rooms.”
And the not so ignorant understand that obamacare will make it worse……..want to guess what happened to the ER’s in MA after they passed their version? Yep, it got worse……why you say? Because the element that was using the er as their own personal doctors convenience store could still do it AND they had a shiny new card courtesy of the taxpayer to pay for it…….the best of both worlds.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
Sorry to disappoint you Dusty but I can’t rock a thong.
hat would keep all the neanderthals in stitches 24/7.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
4:07 pm
AND they had a shiny new card courtesy of the taxpayer to pay for it…….the best of both worlds.
AND who was paying for it before the Romneycare version?
ummm, tax payers?
JDW
November 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
“The early people of our country did not have health insurance”
Well they didn’t have doctors either Dusty, you think we should give those up as well? How about computers or TV maybe even your smartphone….argghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Rightwing Troll
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
So folks that were already using the ER for free medical care started using the ER for free medical care even more once they got a shiny card?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
“Too bad wingnuts hate the color of that persons skin more than they care about the economy or the middle class…”
You do know playing that card reflects more on you than those you assume it may apply to….right?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:13 pm
“AND who was paying for it before the Romneycare version?”
Yes, taxpayers…..but not near as frequently……..now, even the occasional runny nose gets put on the card…………it’s a freebie with no limitations……..of course the costs will go up as the frequency of use goes up………..
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 1st, 2012
4:13 pm
You do know playing that card reflects more on you than those you assume it may apply to….right?
Not really. But it sounds like a nice, if ineffective, out.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
“So folks that were already using the ER for free medical care started using the ER for free medical care even more once they got a shiny card?”
Yes………..”even more” being the operative words………..
Ray
November 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
You know, we wouldn’t need any new forms like this, or something similar, if we had just passed something like the public option for health care. But Obama tried to compromise and go for this Heritage Foundation plan, to keep private health insurance companies involved as the promary payor of health care services. A lot of good trying to compromise and put forth a conservative plan did for Obama among conservatives.
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
4:16 pm
LilBarry,
Would you please rephrase your 3:51 question “Why won’t Obozo show HIS form?”
I mean after Prince Harry showed HIS.. …oh nevermind.. let us move on. They are both supplied with health insurance at government expense………..
Yo yo yo
November 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
md
And you will have a CHOICE not to purchase those food if your assertions come to fruition?
It is all about CHOICES, remember?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
“Not really. But it sounds like a nice, if ineffective, out.”
Yes, really……it makes one look super stupid to paint an entire group of people with one broad brush…….folks that try to defend that look equally foolish………
old timer
November 1st, 2012
4:21 pm
“I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.”
You probably won’t get reliable, affordable health care for any Americans. We will get higher costs, long lines and long waits for treatment.
Cutty
November 1st, 2012
4:24 pm
” It’s a mock-up of one by Americans for Tax Reform.”
Didn’t need to read any further. Wingfield is parroting junk from Grover Norquist. That’s scraping the bottom of the barrel, even for you Kyle.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:24 pm
yo yo yo……I feel for you if you think it is ok for the gov’t to single out any behavior that may be bad for us, where in the world would you draw the line??
I hate smoking, but I’ll defend those that choose to do it as it is none of my business how they go about killing themselves…….but once we as a society allow the vices of others to be outlawed then there will be no one left to fight when they come for our vices……it’s not up to some group of politicians to tell us what choices to make………may as well put chips in our skulls if one believes otherwise.
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
4:26 pm
JDW
Pioneers did not have doctors but they moved on steadfastly.. We HAVE to have doctors at government expense or we shall all perish. (Lib mantra!)
Who do you think now has more the spirit of independence and self reliance? I know it is hard for you but guess guess guess????? It aint liberals, oh pompous one…
independent thinker
November 1st, 2012
4:29 pm
Amazing how the cons will worship and glorify anything coming from Norquist and El Rushbo. They will even make it the highlight of their editorials.
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
4:31 pm
Rightwing Troll – 4:04
They want a whiter White House so much the’re willing to sacrifice their own well being to a George W. Bush close.
md – Sometimes, race REALLY matters in people’s thinking. Yours, for example.
John Roberts, fmr. reliable conservative
November 1st, 2012
4:34 pm
Kyle on behalf of myself and all ObamaCare supporters I want to thank Americans For Tax Reform for making it clear in Part IV of Form OBMA that the individual mandate penalty is not a penalty at all, but a tax. I’m still pattin’ myself on the back for coming up with that idea!
JDW
November 1st, 2012
4:36 pm
@Dusty…”We HAVE to have doctors at government expense or we shall all perish.”
Most likely, Aubrey de Gray notwithstanding, we shall all perish anyway. However with doctors at the best price and availiblity for all it shall be later rather than sooner which most of us prefer.
“Who do you think now has more the spirit of independence and self reliance?”
Why those that fight for longer life and better health of course…it keeps you out of diapers and the nursing homes.
“It aint liberals, oh pompous one…”
A matter of perspective and I am ok with mine.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:37 pm
“md – Sometimes, race REALLY matters in people’s thinking. Yours, for example.”
Race isn’t the factor, stupidity is………you sure you want to join them??
Painting any group of individuals with a broad brush for any reason is stupid………….
mike
November 1st, 2012
4:38 pm
This really makes one wonder why all those Republicans were for before they were against it? All I can attribute it to is one of those end of the earth Mayan calendar things. How else can you explain it?
md
November 1st, 2012
4:40 pm
” I’m still pattin’ myself on the back for coming up with that idea!”
Actually, Rpberts didn’t come up with the idea, it was argued as a tax in the briefs prepared by this admin…….they told the public it was not a tax yet filed court docs claiming it might be……..and many fell for it.
mike
November 1st, 2012
4:45 pm
That is not to say that I am a fan of the ACA — I am not. We have turned insurance into an administration agency. Which do you think would be cheaper: buying your own prescription drugs or paying an insurance company to do it for you? What do you think the no lifetime cap on benefits did to the price of insurance? How about no coverage for pre-existing conditions?
Dusty
November 1st, 2012
4:48 pm
carlosgvv
So “we” want a whiter WhiteHouse? Please give us instruction as to what color we should prefer.. How about purple with orange striipes? Pale green with pink?
The Constitution does not give color instructions so I kinda thought we had ironed all this out and might even elect a black president and a white vice presiden or a white president and maybe a black secretary of state. You just never know do you?
Anyway, the citizens of the USA will vote next week. I am sure you will support the next president that the people of America have chosen. Rright? (Yes, I am planning to do just that after I vote.)
Yo yo yo
November 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
md
Thanks for at least being honest enough to admit that your “choice” shtick that you love to tout out is applicable when it meets your narrative.
Now have a drink and carry on, Mr Choices when it suits me.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
If America is so racist, why was Barry elected to begin with? This excuse for his failure and poorly thought out policies, is to be expected, but so lame.
Matz
November 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
Pioneers did not have doctors but they moved on steadfastly.
Except those who got sick the way I did this year. They died. Buh, bye. Nice knowin’ ya.
We HAVE to have doctors at government expense or we shall all perish. (Lib mantra!)
Actually, just having doctors who are (a) accessible, (b) affordable, (c) actually give a darn whether you live for die would be awesome! That’s hard enough now even with “good” insurance! Can’t even get an appt without ins., let alone a treatment plan going forward. No way for most to pay the bills afterward on their own. As for the give-a-darn factor, I don’t know what they’re teaching these little know-it-alls at “medical assistant” college, but caring about the problems of sick people is NOT in the curriculum!
Who do you think now has more the spirit of independence and self reliance?
Thank GOD I had insurance and the intelligence and assertiveness to advocate for my own health, research, ask the right questions, and relate my deteriorating condition. I’d be dead by now if I hadn’t been able to do these things for myself. What do the less fortunate people do? They DIE, and Dusty probably applauds them for doing so.
I know it is hard for you but guess guess guess????? It aint liberals, oh pompous one…
That’s just an ignorant, bigoted statement.
md
November 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
“Thanks for at least being honest enough to admit that your “choice” shtick that you love to tout out is applicable when it meets your narrative.”
You aren’t making any sense……we already have the choice to eat those foods……what you seem to be in favor of is NOT having the choice to eat those foods as we see fit but as another greater power sees fit………if you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
I’ll ask again, where do you draw the line if you are in favor of limiting/restricting choices??
kay
November 1st, 2012
4:58 pm
I don’t know if this is a vote for or against this provision because filing out one page of mostly yes or no check boxes is going to add an additional two minutes to my tax time. Even less in the subsequent years because that info will already be filled in from the year before. (Does anyone fill out the tax forms by hand anymore?). If this was meant to freak someone out, its a major fail. its actually much more pleasant than I would have guessed.
MarkV
November 1st, 2012
4:59 pm
Kyle,
Tell us, what exactly is your problem with the form – even if it were real? Are you afraid you would not be capable of filling it in?
Yo yo yo
November 1st, 2012
5:01 pm
md
Ok Mr Choices
What a pansy self serving shtick you have. Read it a few times.
But thanks for the exchange. Try to find some humor along the way in life. You come across as much too dry, but of course that is a choice as well
Adios
Junior Samples
November 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
OUCH!
http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/files/documents/CRSTaxesandtheEconomy%20Top%20Rates.pdf
So tax cuts for the wealthy don’t work after all, and the republicans suppressed the report.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:04 pm
Yeh Kyle, what’s the matter with a huge tax increase on the middle class? (sarc)
Us folks that haven’t read through it don’t care if it will cost us a ton of money………we like the idea of “buy a thug and insurance policy” day…………..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
I can see why the libs this afternoon are in a singularly humorless mood, given the pasting Kyle gave them on the charter school amendment earlier today.
Lighten up, Francis.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Well don’t run off yo yo, come back and at least try to put up a reasoned debate…….or you can choose to slink away……………..
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Ah, the joys of single-payer health care. Can’t wait till we get this here:
NHS millions for controversial care pathway
The majority of NHS hospitals in England are being given financial rewards for placing terminally-ill patients on a controversial “pathway” to death, it can be disclosed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9644287/NHS-millions-for-controversial-care-pathway.html
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Dusty – 4:48
I know you think that’s humorous but I’ve heard funnier things in a sinking lifeboat.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:08 pm
“As confirmed by IRS testimony to the tax-writing House Committee on Ways and Means, “taxpayers will file their tax returns reporting their health insurance coverage, and/or making a payment”.
So why will the Obama IRS require your personal identifying health information?
Simply put, there is no way for the IRS to enforce Obamacare’s individual mandate without such an invasive reporting scheme. Every January, health insurance companies across America will send out tax documents to each insured individual. This tax document—a copy of which will be furnished to the IRS—must contain sufficient information for taxpayers to prove that they purchased qualifying health insurance under Obamacare.
This new tax information document must, at a minimum, contain: the name and health insurance identification number of the taxpayer; the name and tax identification number of the health insurance company; the number of months the taxpayer was covered by this insurance plan; and whether or not the plan was purchased in one of Obamacare’s “exchanges.” ”
http://www.atr.org/new-obamacare-tax-form-mandates-americans-a7285
carlosgvv
November 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
md – 4:37
Stupid is the large group of individuals who will vote for Romney. It’s no suprise you’re in that group.
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:12 pm
All that bill for basically nothing:
CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured
” A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says that under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, 30 million non-elderly Americans will remain without health insurance in 2022.”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-leave-30-million-uninsured
DawgDad
November 1st, 2012
5:12 pm
I saw this form on-line earlier today. I do hope people get upset; they should. Illegal immigrants and people on welfare are “exempt”. Many companies (thousands, last I heard) , many huge ones, are already getting “waivers”.
This is the face of socialism. Intrusive/prying government, taxing Peter to pay for Paul, extorting support or passive acceptance from the public, wielding power and doling out benefits or penalty waivers – for what in return? Incremental tyranny.
There is a huge, HUGE difference in providing personal health information to your private insurer and providing it to the government, ANY government. Private insurers can’t legally “write off” anybody, or use the information for illegal purposes, they have to live up to the terms of their contracts. The government can, either for the “collective good” (as those in power define it), for political purposes, out of corruption, or just out of plain incompetence.
Obamacare/government healthcare is the WRONG solution. A lot of us will keep up the fight until it is history.
md
November 1st, 2012
5:14 pm
“Stupid is the large group of individuals who will vote for Romney. It’s no suprise you’re in that group.”
Now there’s some good reasoned debate….thanks for the intellectual stimulation………..it goes hand in hand with calling everyone that doesn’t agree with the ideology of the left racists………
Stephenson Billings
November 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
Obamacare exempts millions–prisoners, illegals, welfare recipients
“In just 14 months, Americans will be required to prove that they have federally “qualified” health insurance or face an Obamacare tax of $695 to $2,085. That is unless you are in prison, below the poverty line, or are an undocumented immigrant, according to the anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform.
When added together, those three groups total up to one-sixth of the nation’s population of 314 million: 218,929 are in federal prisons, 12 million are illegals and 42 million are below the poverty line and eligible for welfare, though some fit into all three categories, according to federal reports.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-exempts-millions-prisoners-illegals-welfare-recipients/article/2512205#.UJLmNG88CSq
mike
November 1st, 2012
5:19 pm
R.I.P. Pascual Perez. Murdered in robbery in the Dominican Republic.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:22 pm
Obamacare/government healthcare is the WRONG solution. A lot of us will keep up the fight until it is history.
Let me know how that works out for you.
I got news for you. Universal Healthcare is here to stay.
Just like it already is in every well established democracy in the world.
FYI Gay Marriage being legal is next and there is no stopping that one either.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
November 1st, 2012
5:24 pm
“In just 14 months, Americans will be required to prove that they have federally “qualified” health insurance or face an Obamacare tax of $695 to $2,085.
Dang right. I have insurance and im tired of paying for you freeloaders.
Why should I have to pay and you get free care at emergency rooms for the sniffles.
Its time to pay up deadbeats.
H.E. Pennypacker
November 1st, 2012
5:25 pm
Kyle,
Given that both candidates worked hard in courting Michael Bloomberg’s endorsement it seems a bit dismissive to try to equate it with that of Donald Trump’s and sweep it under the rug, (no pun intended). I can’t imagine many independents and/or undecideds taking the GOP flamethrower’s opinion into consideration in these closing days.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/nyregion/tough-criticism-of-candidates-by-bloomberg.html?pagewanted=all