REVEALED: What the IRS form for Obamacare might look like (click on link to see it)

OK, this is not an actual IRS document: It’s a mock-up of one by Americans for Tax Reform. But it incorporates requirements from Obamacare in the kind of form you can expect if President Obama is re-elected and Obamacare is fully implemented. Bottom line: Your 1040EZ form is getting longer and less EZ.

Yet another reason we should move Tax Day to the day before Election Day.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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iggy

November 1st, 2012
2:07 pm

Well, I dont like this AT ALL.

southpaw

November 1st, 2012
2:08 pm

In 1993 or 1994, I saw the Form 1040 BS. Look for the tax forms to start looking more and more like that.

carlosgvv

November 1st, 2012
2:10 pm

Since Grover Norquist is the founder of Americans For Tax Reform, I don’t think a mock tax form made up by his group is very likely to be accurate about Omamacare.

And yet, somehow, you do, Kyle. I wonder why that is?

independent thinker

November 1st, 2012
2:18 pm

Its very simple- you either have health insurance and are exempt or you do not and do not qualify for Medicaid or Medicare. You pay the tax and Reagan’s EMTALA statute guarantees you free socialized medical care if you show up at an emergency room. Just like a tax for Medicare coming out of your paycheck for your future benefits..
Funny how the same people don’t like people paying their fair share for hospital care as a tax also don’t give a hoot about the 47% not paying their share of taxes- any hypocrisy there?

Kyle Wingfield

November 1st, 2012
2:19 pm

carlosgvv @ 2:10: Do you have any actual criticisms of the document, or are you just casting aspersions today?

Aynie Sue

November 1st, 2012
2:36 pm

The document is exaggerated, considering the source and Kyle’s outrage, but no more complicated than the other tax schedules. So what’s the problem? I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.

Have you ever filled out an application for health care insurance, Kyle? Guess not since you’re horrified by the prospect of a 1-2 page tax schedule.

Beyond the Middle of the Road

November 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

Although there’s a tinge of truth to this I think this was created primarily for laughs. It certainly brought a smile to my face; sometimes I think people take this kind of thing too seriously. Of course this has been discussed a zillion times here; but my two cents is I prefer the Affordable Healthcare Act aka Obamacare to the alternative of not having it. I once worked for a very large firm that went bankrupt and I recall the pain and hardship of folks trying to find health insurance in the open market. Keep in mind that a bankrupt firm with no benefit programs doesn’t have COBRA or anything else for that matter. I mean, if the point of all the money we spend on the military and homeland security is to protect and save American lives… then how could having 30-40 million more folks insured be a bad thing? Obamacare may be flawed but it will undoubtedly save lives and improve the overall health of our fellow Americans. I would gladly pay 14 more cents for a Papa John’s pizza for that (of course, if you really want to be healthy you shouldn’t be eating Papa John’s pizza).

carlosgvv

November 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

Kyle – 2:19

That is not what I asked you.

Bruno

November 1st, 2012
2:47 pm

Put me down for the religious exemption.

Bruno

November 1st, 2012
2:49 pm

I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.

I would too, if it were only that simple. Any reasonable analysis of ObamaCare shows that health care costs will be going up, not down. Any other conclusion is simply wishful thinking.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 1st, 2012
2:50 pm

Oh oh oh. Stop the presses!

The right tries humour!!!!!

Wow, move over Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert. There’s a new player in town and his name is Grover.

Kyle Wingfield

November 1st, 2012
2:50 pm

Well, carlosgvv, without specific criticisms, I don’t know what about it you find unlikely.

Don't Tread

November 1st, 2012
2:51 pm

“I’d willingly fill out that form to get reliable, affordable health care insurance for myself and my fellow Americans.”

I’d willingly fill out the form to make you pay for it.

Kyle Wingfield

November 1st, 2012
2:53 pm

Aynie @ 2:36: Is outrage the only emotion you’re capable of detecting? Because that’s certainly not what I intended to express.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

Obozo’s loser base doesn’t file tax returns and is therefore not too worried about any new or existing forms.

Vote American to fix this impending disaster.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

A staggering 68 percent of registered Republican voters stated that they believe demonic possession is real. Meanwhile, only 48 percent of self-identified Republicans believe in another equally if not more scary natural phenomenon: climate change.

alternet.org

You Cons are truly scary. To think we let you folks control 1/6 of our lawmaking body.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

I say we don’t tax them for not having health insurance; We take away their guns and ammo instead.

Kyle Wingfield

November 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

Beyond @ 2:45: ” sometimes I think people take this kind of thing too seriously.”

Exactly.

Don't Tread

November 1st, 2012
2:59 pm

“We take away their guns and ammo instead.”

Liberals seem to have this nagging problem with other people having rights.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

November 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

how could having 30-40 million more folks insured be a bad thing?
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How could having 30-40 million more folks take a taxpayer-funded Mediterranean cruise be a bad thing?

It isn’t hard to spot the publicly educated on this forum. They’re the ones with zero economic thinking ability.

Skip

November 1st, 2012
3:08 pm

“might look like”, and I might win the lotto. But I’m not counting on it.

ray44

November 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

Mr. Wingfield and his looney right wing friends will not acknowledge that the current healthcare system is unfair to hospitals and to everyone who is paying for healthcare insurance including the small business “job creators” that they purport to care about. No, the tax penalty is not a perfect solution but it moves the ball in the right direction. Everyone who can contribute should. The only real objection is that a president whom they abhor (for reasons that I will not stoop to discuss) has proposed it and it helps people, who, to put it bluntly, are now dying in the streets or the back of cars for lack of care or from inadequate care. And smug little ******s like Mr. Wingfield are free to spout their venom as if it has any merit. It does not but they have no shame.

joe

November 1st, 2012
3:19 pm

God help us if we have to suffer through 4 more years of this obozo dictatorship. No way we survive all that spending and executive orders…

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

November 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

New Jersey voters will be exempt, from this form, because the first thing they do in an emergency is remove government hurdles to make things simpler. Would it not be wonderful, if all America could have the burdens of government removed permanently.

jconservative

November 1st, 2012
3:21 pm

Kyle, Are you going to put up something on this?

“Bloomberg endorses Obama”

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

November 1st, 2012
3:25 pm

Mayor Bloomberg has endorsed Barry Oblunder. Anyone who supports limiting how much Coke you can buy at once, has a natural proclivity for Barry, the rule maker. No surprise there. Sorta like the Cookie Monster endorsing Famous Amos, or Mrs, Fields.

Tealiban Party

November 1st, 2012
3:27 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

November 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
Obozo’s loser base doesn’t file tax returns and is therefore not too worried about any new or existing forms. Vote American to fix this impending disaster.

This is especially rich considering you are supporting a tax cheat for president.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

November 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

No, the tax penalty is not a perfect solution but it moves the ball in the right direction.
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If it’s working, why are premiums going up?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

November 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

Taliban, the only thing missing from your post is any sort of grain of truth.

Junior Samples

November 1st, 2012
3:29 pm

Why criticize a fake form?
Although I have no doubt Victoria Jackson will weigh in soon with her informed opinion.

Dusty

November 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

Same old trouble as always. We don’t have any pioneers left.

The early people of our country did not have health insurance. In many cases, there were no doctors anywhere. Yet these same strong people moved forward, made homes, raised families and farms and businesses and established one of the greatest countries in the world.

But that was different, you say. Not so. The difficulties now are just of another nature. We don’t have shortages. We have too much in this blessed country. Yet neither haves nor the have nots know how to move on and make a country greater. Even the “inbetweens” seem stymied. Few seem capable of self reliance without direction. So a few control more and more puppets.

We forget independence and want help. We want freedom but we stymie free enterprise with drawbacks. We want justice but even the rights of citizenship are juggled out of the law. We want good health but want the government to “furnish ” it with good “medicine” instead of using good sense.

Kyle, your (mock) tax form is just one more indication of our loss of independence. The government wants more and more of your income because they know better than you how to spend it. That is the non-spirit which has risen in the USA. It has been nurtured by the Obama Admiisitration who wants to give even more “help” to all you helpless citizens who are fearful and timid of your own strength.

I long for the pioneers and their spirit.. They showed us how to do it. But we sat down and forgot.

Dum-Bass

November 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

BloomingID10TBerg endorsing O’bummer is like Bobby Petrino endorsing motorcycles now.

Kyle Wingfield

November 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

jconservative @ 3:21: I’ll put up just as much about that endorsement as I did The Donald’s. I consider them equally important and effective.

1961_Xer

November 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

Question 12: What months were you covered by an affordable qualifying health insurance plan?

That is asking for an opinion (i.e. determining if something is “affordable” or not).

Earnestly

November 1st, 2012
3:40 pm

Republicans need constant reinforcement and rationalization of their ideals because they don’t want to admit that their greed drives their politics. Their are two camps opposed to Obamacare; insurance companies who won’t be able to make up their own rules and ignorant people who are afraid they will have to pay for someone else’s healthcare. The reason I call them ignorant is that we already pay for the less fortunate’s healthcare through taxes that support medicaid and public hospitals and by longer wait times in emergency rooms. What solution for the overwhelming cost of healthcare and the shameful number of people who can’t afford healthcare has your party proposed Mr. Wingfield? Let me guess, let the “free market” take care of it!

Earnestly

November 1st, 2012
3:42 pm

Yes, I know, there, not their.

Kyle Wingfield

November 1st, 2012
3:42 pm

Earnestly @ 3:40: I’ve written about alternative reforms many times before.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 1st, 2012
3:43 pm

The early people of our country did not have health insurance

Note that we don’t live in caves and wear fig leaves anymore, either. It’s called progress.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 1st, 2012
3:45 pm

Earnestly, I don’t think the insurance co’s are against ACA at all. They have to cover everyone but, at the same time, they get a broader base of revenue to pay for that coverage.

ACA was hammered out with those insurance co’s at the table.

Dusty

November 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

Finn happily reports that he read where “Republicans believe in demon possession”..

We all know that’s a case of hokus pokus. But , if I keep reading Finn’s devilish posts, I just might be persuaded about those possessive little demons.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm

Earnestly, if my health insurance premiums aren’t going to pay for the uninsured, why are they still going up?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 1st, 2012
3:47 pm

Dusty, you cooking up brontasaurus tonight? I hear it’s good fried. Tastes like kittens.

carlosgvv

November 1st, 2012
3:48 pm

Kyle – 2:19

Very well, I’ll word my question so you can’t use a non sequitur to dodge it.

Grover Norquist, an extreme right-wing Tea Party Republican, is the founder of Americans for Tax Reform, the group who made up this “tax form”. Why would you think he could present a balanced and fair picture of Obamacare?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

November 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

Why won’t Obozo show us HIS form?

Dusty

November 1st, 2012
3:52 pm

Finn,

I was so happy to read your 3:43. I was sure you lived in a cave and wore a fig leaf. Good luck with the hut and the thong.

Tealiban Party

November 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
November 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Taliban, the only thing missing from your post is any sort of grain of truth.

You seem to be confusing me with the Romney campaign.

md

November 1st, 2012
3:59 pm

Obamacare is a bit like raising teens, one can counsel them until they are blue in the face but the teen will not understand it until the get to experience it……some learn by listening but most learn by doing. Once the full force of Obamacare hits the pocketbooks of the middle class they will then sit up and take notice……the changes to fsa’s, hsa’s, the hidden taxes, the cost to medicare,etc etc……

On top of that, once the masses realize that it is an entitlement program and the feds get to manage it, they will realize that the Big Gulp is just the tip of the iceberg.

Warning to all fat people (obese to the pc crowd), you are in the cross-hairs…….if you think the number one killer and the number one cause for rising hc costs will be left unchecked to screw up the cost structure of the dems shiny new baby you are fooling yourselves………

Beware the twinkie tax, and the halloween tax, and every other tax that will discourage all the fat people from choosing to be fat………………..it’s coming, mark my words.

Rightwing Troll

November 1st, 2012
4:00 pm

No bias whatsoever… correct? It’s just a non-biased, informational attempt to show the American public a form they MIGHT be subjected to, correct? Nothing implied at all about this form and the information contained within, right?

If that’s the case, then why make the effort?

Matz

November 1st, 2012
4:03 pm

Guess what? The Ninja Turtle at my front door last night wasn’t really a Ninja Turtle; he was a small, extraordinarily cute human boy.

Halloween was yesterday, Mr. Wingfield. Trotting out Mr. Norquist’s tax form costume and trying to scare everybody with it is so… well… last month.

JDW

November 1st, 2012
4:04 pm

After the election Grover will edit this line…

“If Mitt Romney defeats President Obama on Election Day, November 6, 2012, and Republicans take control of the Senate and maintain their majority in the US House, youmay disregard this form as Romney has promised to repeal Obamacare.”

to read…

Since Mitt Romney has been defeated on Election Day, November 6, 2012, and Republicans have failed in the quest for control of the Senate and the majority in the US House has been reduced, it is now time for panic. Obamacare will not be repealed and our lies will be dragged into the open unless you act now. Send as much money as you can to Grover Norquist c/o Americans for Tax Reform and I will spread it around to the remaining Republican Senators in the hopes that we can keep filibustering until we can create a new set of lies.”

I am sure Georgia will be fertile fund raising ground for this effort.