Poll: Young voters, young parents back charter schools amendment
Mark Rountree of the locally based Landmark Communications has a new poll for Channel 2 Action News that shows two results you might have expected: Mitt Romney is almost certain to win Georgia, and the charter schools amendment is heading for a very close finish.
There are a number of interesting numbers within the poll, however, and the one I find most intriguing is this one about the charter schools amendment (as posted at Peach Pundit):
There is a stark difference in levels of support based on the age of the voter. Younger voters are strongly supportive of the Amendment (57-32% among those aged 18-35), while older voters slightly oppose the Amendment (40-41% in opposition among those over age 64).
People aged 18-35, of course, largely represent two groups: Those who are most recently graduated from high school, and those with young children either already in school or about to enter school. (For instance, this newly minted 34-year-old — my birthday was Saturday; and, yes, the Bulldogs gave me the only present I wanted — has a son who’s two autumns away from starting school and an infant.) It would also include teachers in the first half of their careers.
The poll doesn’t break down that result further — i.e., whether 18- to -35-year-old parents who aren’t teachers view the amendment differently than teachers of the same age, whether they’re parents or not. But I think it speaks volumes that this age group so strongly supports the idea that we need to try some new things when it comes to public education in this state.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Hillbilly D
October 29th, 2012
8:42 pm
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They usually break all that stuff down on the Secretary of State website. You can watch the returns on election night.
Dusty
October 29th, 2012
8:42 pm
This Charter School Agreement reminds me of the great TSPLOST discussion. It droned on forever but still was never absolutely clear to everyone. A new board for approval of a new type of school by a non-paying group and it was going to cost nothing more than usual but it was a public school called a Charter School advised by basicly the same government people plus one or something?? Huh?
Sorry, but I don’ t like to vote for a pig-in-a-poke plan. Too many squeals in this one.
mike
October 29th, 2012
8:43 pm
OK, let me explain this REAL SLOW so you can all get it. When you privatize ANYTHING, there has to be a profit. Now, where does that profit come from? More often than not, it comes from workers salaries. In the case of public schools, that profit has to come from teachers’ salaries. Therefore, the private school owners will, of course, seek to hire the lowest priced teachers they can find. Teachers will leave the system for other jobs, turnover will increase. Hey, your school can be a McEducation, too! Where the “teachers” are dispensable. Not permanent. Temporary. Think about it!
cc
October 29th, 2012
8:43 pm
Exactly right, Tib . . .
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
8:56 pm
“Therefore, the private school owners will, of course, seek to hire the lowest priced teachers they can find. Teachers will leave the system for other jobs, turnover will increase.”
OK, let me explain this REAL SLOW to mike, who doesn’t know beans about the free market system.
Anybody who hires the “lowest priced teachers” will not succeed at what they are doing, and the parents and children will go elsewhere. Charter schools cannot make money if they don’t have students in the seats, bubba.
It’s clear whatever teachers you had in economics and business failed at their task. Too bad you didn’t have the choice to go to a school were they excelled at something.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
9:03 pm
“Then choose to pay for your childs education yourself and not funnel the money from the rest of us”
Sorry…its time to bankrupt the public school system, its good ole boy mentality and the tsunami of stupidty that runs rampant in turn for Charter schools.
Sorry…You lose!!
bluecoat
October 29th, 2012
9:08 pm
Well nothing ain’t for nothing,and nothing ain’t free.Let the locals remain in control.May start at no compensation for the appointed members,but how long will that last?Next they will be going to China to observe.Guess who pays their expense.
Aynie Sue
October 29th, 2012
9:09 pm
Young people are so naive and gullible!
mike
October 29th, 2012
9:15 pm
“The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) Schools and Staffing Survey data from 2003-04 suggest that, compared to traditional school teachers, charter school teachers are far more likely to leave the profession or transfer to a different school. According to Teacher Turnover in Charter Schools, a 2010 research brief from the National Center on School Choice at Vanderbilt University, attrition in charter schools results from charter schools’ tendency to employ young, uncertified, and part-time teachers, which are categories of teachers who leave all schools at higher rates. Charter school teachers also tend to be dissatisfied with their workplaces (e.g., working hours, salaries, and administrator support).”
http://www.charterschoolcenter.org/newsletter/charter-schools-face-challenge-recruiting-top-teachers
Say it ain’t so!
I WIN! I WIN! I WIN!
Doing my Tiberius imitation!
mike
October 29th, 2012
9:18 pm
Can you say McEducation? How about McSchool? How about McTeacher? OK, how about part-time — as in no benefits? I knew that you could!
mike
October 29th, 2012
9:19 pm
It’s a racket and you’re about to be duped! If you let them!
Dusty
October 29th, 2012
9:25 pm
I wonder if it makes any difference to admissions officers at universities and colleges as to where your scholastic average comes from? Are SAT scores their only guide? Have those places of higher education made any comments on this Charter School vote? Seems like they might have some ideas to add.
Or does it really matter any more? Just get your HOPE sdcholarship, get remedial classes the first year and get some kind of degree in five years.Then go out into the world with your degree in the Socialization Habits of the Dodo bird. That and your enormous school debt will get you a really really good job. Do Charter Schools help?
mike
October 29th, 2012
9:27 pm
Like I said before, the profit gets “squeezed” out of the teachers. Do you really want “part-time,” disposable, uncertified teachers who don’t really care about their jobs teaching your children. Do you want teachers who take their Charter School jobs until something better comes along? Or do you really care?
mike
October 29th, 2012
9:32 pm
I’m going to watch the game. What a dumb topic and an even dumber idea! Dumb and dumber! Yeah, that’s it! And that’s what you’ll get with the idiotic Charter School amendment.
td
October 29th, 2012
9:37 pm
Please forgive me for changing topics but this must get out to the public:
This is all one needs to know about the massacre of American’s and the response from Obama:
Last night on Geraldo at Large, Charles Woods, the father of murdered Benghazi SEAL Tyrone Woods, sent this message to Barack Obama:
“It’s better to die a hero than live a coward.”
Hillbilly D
October 29th, 2012
9:41 pm
I wonder if it makes any difference to admissions officers at universities and colleges as to where your scholastic average comes from?
I think as long as it keeps the students (i.e. the $$$) rolling in, they couldn’t care less.
Dusty
October 29th, 2012
9:44 pm
Well, after this evening of fun and frivolity, I shall depart with these wishes. May your home be warm and dry, your front yard without watery waves, and your child the brightest one on the block G’nite..
Dusty
October 29th, 2012
9:51 pm
G’nite HillBilly.
I hope you stay warm as toast in them thar hills. But if it is the 50’s in Atlanta, must be mighty cold in the mountains.
Hillbilly D
October 29th, 2012
9:54 pm
Dusty
Thank you. It’s a might airy up here tonight.
bluecoat
October 29th, 2012
10:09 pm
Writing about the repatriation of her son’s body, Cheryl Croft Bennett said: ‘The entire afternoon was overpowering and unreal.
‘Little did I know that I would find myself in a reception room being comforted, hugged, and, yes, even kissed by the President of the United States. Along with the President, there was Vice-President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, and General and Mrs Colin Powell.
‘They were all wonderful. They held my hand, offered condolences, gave warm hugs, and were extremely compassionate and genuinely sad for my loss, as I fought back tears and tried to project an image of strength to honor my SEAL son.’
td
October 29th, 2012
10:14 pm
**GALLUP SHOCK** Romney Up 52-45% Among Early Voters
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/29/Gallup-Shock-Romney-Up-7-with-early-voters
iggy
October 29th, 2012
10:50 pm
These dumb teachers are just as much a problem as the dumb parents, dumb administators and dumb kids. Its time to strip these dumb-bells of their overinflated salarys and egos.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
11:15 pm
Poor mike.
He just can’t take a discussion to the next level of cause and effect.
Poor, simple, mike.
crankee-yankee
October 29th, 2012
11:15 pm
The problem with the younger demographic is that they have not yet developed a reliable bullsh*t filter. They have not yet begun to think for themselves and for the most part will believe what they hear from purported authority type figures.
cc
October 30th, 2012
6:38 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEhvF8b8Mrg
cc
October 30th, 2012
7:10 am
td@10:14 pm:
Thanks for posting the link. If that proves true, it will confirm what I have thought all along: Obama is on a fast-track for White House departure!
Lil' Barry Bailout -Vote American
October 30th, 2012
7:11 am
Aynie Sue: Young people are so naive and gullible!
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They bought “Hope and Change”, didn’t they?
Eddie Hall
October 30th, 2012
8:01 am
@Kyle, while the STATE may not take local money to run these schools, if they decrease state money, where do you think the lost money will come from? LOCAL PROPERTY taxes. That is even if you don’t have a charter within 100 miles!
Kyle have you bothered to look at the many systems that do work? There are other answers to the problems with schools, this is not it! VOTE NO!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 30th, 2012
8:32 am
“Kyle have you bothered to look at the many systems that do work?”
With Georgia being ranked in the mid to low 40’s in states regarding education, there cannot be “many” systems that do work.
tiredofIT
October 30th, 2012
8:32 am
What isn’t fiscally conservative is continuing to pour more and more money into a system that produces the same mediocre results.
Of course the students/family’s have no responsibility.
Pandora
October 30th, 2012
8:44 am
I didn’t back Charter Schools because the Public Schools System in the State of Georgia is suffering enough. Why should MY tax dollars go towards a Charter School? It’s a Public School. I think that either all of the schools in Georgia should be either Public or Charter. My vote was NO. That money need to be filtered back into Gerogias’ public schools for much needed supplies. Like updated Civics books for high school students. Why are they still showing President Clinton as President in 2012? EXACTLY…I already voted and my vote was NO.
Pandora
October 30th, 2012
8:47 am
cc you are DEAD WRONG!!! President Obama WILL be re-elected. What is Romneys’ plan? I guarantee you that whatever plan he has it will be totally different today than it was yesterday. Romney is a fool and so are you…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 30th, 2012
8:51 am
Thanks Mitt!
The fatal meningitis epidemic sweeping the United States can now be traced to the failure of then-Gov. Mitt Romney to adequately regulate the Massachusetts pharmaceutical company that is being blamed for the deaths.
At least 344 people in 18 states have been infected by the growing public health crisis and 25 have died so far.
But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 — but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company’s business interests.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/30/romneys_lax_regulation_fueled_meningitis_outbreak/
Mike
October 30th, 2012
8:55 am
Kyle is responding more to this topic than he usually does…must be important to him.
Kyle, I think this is a lost effort. Local school board members are for the most part, telling their constituents to vote “NO” on this. Mine did.
iggy
October 30th, 2012
9:01 am
“The fatal meningitis epidemic sweeping the United States can now be traced to the failure of then-Gov. Mitt Romney”
Obvious desparation…
philstembridge
October 30th, 2012
9:03 am
Georgia has faling schools and many people want more of the same .Why not try for charters.Also more money will have zero effect.The problem is parents who are not involved in their children’s education.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 30th, 2012
9:08 am
At least 344 people in 18 states have been infected by the growing public health crisis and 25 have died so far.
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On Obozo’s watch.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 30th, 2012
9:09 am
Preachers are telling their congregations to vote “No”.
Baby Jesus don’t need no unelected board of review.
Aquagirl
October 30th, 2012
9:28 am
Kyle is responding more to this topic than he usually does…must be important to him.
I don’t think that’s up for debate, he has two young kids and is suggesting that’s why the 18-35 crowd is for this measure. Because nothing says conservatism like small government, less taxes, local control, and….HEY I HAVE A PROBLEM, WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT!?!?!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 30th, 2012
9:33 am
To give you good indication of how ate up your typical dummycrat is, Bain Capital created more jobs than obozo ever has.
What would you libs do without your little boogeymen?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 30th, 2012
9:40 am
Romney is still the 2-1 underdog with the gamblers.
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner
mwuahahahahaha
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 30th, 2012
9:44 am
I’ve had Zeppelin’s “When the Levee Breaks” in my head all morning.
I wonder why?
Gail
October 30th, 2012
9:46 am
Kyle, why do you think that because the funding for charter schools will supposedly come from the “general fund” that it’s not taking money from the existing public schools? Ever heard “six of one, half dozen of the other?” The state has its expected revenues. Then it allocates money to each department. The DOE gets a set amount. If the State then funds the Charter schools as a separate dept do you really think that they aren’t just going to reduce the amount given to the
DOE? And as far as the commission being unpaid – the amendment doesn’t state that, therefore that is at the whim of the legislature and next year it can be a paid commission..
Dusty
October 30th, 2012
10:10 am
Thank you, Finn, for a laughable moment this morning. Sooooo
Romney is responsible for meningitis. Well, meningitis is no joke but blaming it on Romney is absolutely hilarious. Why stop there?
Romney is responsible for Athlete’s Foot. He once went barefoot.
Romney is responsible for colds & fever. He once sneezed without a hankie!
Romney is responsible for gastro-intestinal upsets. He once ate chili for lunch.
Romney is responsible for dandruff. He’s not bald so there!!
See what I mean, Finn? Anything for a laugh, huh? R U bald by any chance?
One perspective....
October 30th, 2012
10:26 am
JDW says: I have had several discussions with people that think there will not be any new Charter Schools unless this amendment is passed and that is simply not true.
Really? Which school systems, without any kind of state involvement, are willing to allow a school that will compete with the traditional public school? Previously, the state (unconstitutionally) was involved with establishing charters. The local school system had a choice: allow the charter or the state may get involved and force one. So, trying to maintain control, they reluctantly allowed charters to be established. Without that threat of state intervention, many charters (such as the one at Johns Creek) would not have been established.
If this amendment does not pass, there is a very high probability that no new charter schools will be established. While it is true that failure of this amendment does not prohibit charter schools, there sufficient disincentives (loss of political power and increased competition) such that no school system will allow one.
Dusty
October 30th, 2012
10:26 am
Looks like Finn is not answering questions this morning. I will have to take a poll (just like Kyle)!!
One answer only for each blogger.
QUESTION #1…Is Finn bald?_______________<—(Yes or no)
QUESTION
Darwin
October 30th, 2012
10:29 am
Darwin @ 4:36: “There is no research that indicates that charter schools out perform traditional public schools.”
False. Here’s the evidence.
Kyle – Right back at you slick. http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/15196/charter-schools-fail-on-promise-to-outperform-public-schools
Dusty
October 30th, 2012
10:38 am
Where oh where has my last post gone? Oh where oh where can it be???
Kyle Wingfield
October 30th, 2012
10:53 am
Darwin @ 10:29: My evidence is newer and specific to our state. If relying on older data from elsewhere makes you feel better, then suit yourself.
lou
October 30th, 2012
10:53 am
I’m with Matz, and I voted against the amendment.
The wording on this was so deceptive, that it will probably confuse most people and they will vote for it. But that was the intention of the wording, wasn’t it?