Could this election turn on the effects of a mega-storm?
My thoughts and prayers this morning are with people in the path of Hurricane Sandy and the other storms converging on the Northeast Corridor. My sister lives in Brooklyn, and a number of my friends from my WSJ days live in New York City, Washington and elsewhere. One estimate I heard on the radio this morning was that 50 million to 60 million people stand to be affected. Folks, that’s 16-19 percent of the country’s population. Let’s hope it doesn’t end up as the super-storm so many meteorologists have predicted.
In the political world, both presidential campaigns are adjusting their campaign schedules to account for the storm, out of concern for the safety of residents and staffers in the places lying the storm’s path. It’s an old adage that Election Day weather has the power to change election outcomes. But we’ll have to wait and see if that’s the case this time, given that both campaigns are acting similarly (as opposed, for instance, to John McCain’s unilateral, ill-fated suspension of his campaign in the midst of the 2008 financial crisis) and given that we’re still eight days away from Election Day.
The effect on the Electoral College vote is also likely to be minimal, in large part because the states in the storm’s path are almost certain to go for President Obama whether turnout is light or heavy. The one possible exception is Pennsylvania, where light turnout in the Philadelphia area potentially could play in Mitt Romney’s favor in somewhat of a toss-up state.
But it got me thinking: What if we were talking about a blizzard in the Midwest? Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio, and even Michigan and Pennsylvania (and Minnesota??) may be where this election is decided. Can you imagine the uproar if the election were to be decided by a narrow margin, with exceptionally low turnout in some of the most crucial states?
I can’t recall weather having that kind of impact on such a consequential election in my lifetime or the history I’ve read. Am I forgetting or missing something? And would such an event de-legitimize an election result in your mind?
– By Kyle Wingfield
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JDW
October 29th, 2012
11:27 am
No I can’t recall weather playing such a large impact…I do however recall Romney saying about a year ago that the Federal Govt. should end all disaster relief spending…over the next few days I bet the NE will be very glad he is not President.
Kyle Wingfield
October 29th, 2012
11:36 am
JDW @ 11:27: IIRC, Romney was asked about disaster spending in the context of remarks by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who said the feds should cut some other spending to offset disaster spending. Which is not at all the same thing as saying “the Federal Govt. should end all disaster relief spending.”
southpaw
October 29th, 2012
11:43 am
I wonder how many polling precincts will be underwater, snowed in, or otherwise unavailable on Election Day. Look for complaints that the voters in these precincts were denied the right to vote–and the voters themselves won’t be the ones complaining.
Verbal Kint
October 29th, 2012
11:44 am
Shouldn’t be shocked that a lefty tries to score political points with a looming natural disaster at hand.
Taipei Personality
October 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Kyle, your point about the Electoral College not being changed is spot-on. The only real impact from this storm is the fact that it will likely dominate headlines and has effectively ended Campaign 2012, except for in a few midwestern battleground states. The national campaigns are over, as they just will not get any press outside of comments about the storm.
JDW
October 29th, 2012
11:49 am
@Kyle…nice spinning but I see no such context…transcript seems point blank to me…
KING: What else, Governor Romney? You’ve been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it’s the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we’re learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?
ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.
Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut—we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot…
KING: Including disaster relief, though?
ROMNEY: We cannot—we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all. [emphasis added]
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
11:50 am
What if we were talking about a blizzard in the Midwest?
What are we without our dreams?
mwuahahahahahahaha. Cons need to buy landslide boots and anti-depressant meds, pronto.
joe
October 29th, 2012
11:55 am
Storm or no storm Obozo is done. Stick the fork in him…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
12:02 pm
Kyle doesn’t like the exact reading – he adds context that isn’t there.
I’m sure Obama mentioned “terrorist” and “Libya” in the same sentence in his lifetime so I suppose we can say he called 9/11/12 a terrorist action.
Joe the Plumber (and now avid Obama supporter)
October 29th, 2012
12:12 pm
Well done JDW, well done. I believe you just knocked Kyle out cold by pointing out his less than truthiness.
Only 8 more days till the cons start plotting how to ruin Obamas second term.
Mitch ‘fat jowels’ McConnell was quoted as saying the following the day after the election: “Our goal is to make sure Obama is a two-term president and no more.” Yay mitchie!
stands for decibels
October 29th, 2012
12:14 pm
(and Minnesota??)
I don’t think so. Nate Silver shows that state slipping all the way down to a 97.5% probability of an Obama win. (But if Romney wants to spend a lot of ad dollars up there this week, I’m fine with that!)
As for how this storm could affect turnout, I do think if you have seriously depressed turnouts in states that would normally produce a lot of Obama votes (but which would probably affect all kinds of voters, including more rural folks who might vote Romney), it might somewhat increase the possibility that Romney wins the popular vote but loses the EV–but not by much.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
12:21 pm
Christie is playing for 2016:
Chris Christie Praises Obama For Hurricane Sandy Preparation
BADA BING
October 29th, 2012
12:26 pm
Maybe the virgin voters will remember a hurricane more than their first time with Obama.
jconservative
October 29th, 2012
12:29 pm
I would think that the campaign team that got its early voters out real early, first week of early voting per state, may have done itself a winning favor. I am thinking of Virginia and the eastern part of the state in particular. That is 13 electoral votes that could swing the election.
Close does not matter. In 2008 Obama carried North Carolina by 13,692 votes and received all 15 electoral college votes from that state.
My first presidential election was Nixon v Kennedy in 1960. I do not recall weather being the factor in any off the subsequent elections that this storm potentially has on this election.
RW-(the original)
October 29th, 2012
12:29 pm
(But if Romney wants to spend a lot of ad dollars up there this week, I’m fine with that!)
Most of the money Romney’s putting into the MN ad market is to reach western Wisconsin. You sort of have to advertise where the broadcaster exists.
hsn
October 29th, 2012
12:32 pm
As usual, Kyle, the Republican cheer-leading “opinionated” writer, is etch-a-sketching for the ever etch-a-sketch presidential candidate, Robme.
How in the world this election is even this close for a Republican who has been for every single side on every single issue is beyond me.
Robme/Ruin 2012 is the most waffling ticket there ever has been. Every politician changes his/her stance every now and then but Robme has elevated this to an unprecedented level.
Ad
October 29th, 2012
12:33 pm
Yes, Kint. This should only be a forum about dead people voting and other imagined voter fraud, not about what Romney has said in the past. Everybody knows he rarely means what he says.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
12:34 pm
Not again….
there’s bad news from the South Florida epicenter of the 2000 debacle: Election officials in Palm Beach County say they screwed up at least 60,000 absentee ballots and have to perform a recount.
~motherjones.com
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 29th, 2012
12:35 pm
Could this election turn on the effects of a mega-storm?
———-
If it does, then Americans are even less intelligent than they showed four years ago.
Vote American.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
12:38 pm
“And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot…
KING: Including disaster relief, though?
ROMNEY: We cannot—we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. ”
Sorry, JDW, but another epic failure on your part.
Romney had a response he was still finishing when John King interrupted him with that question. Romney merely continued the original response, ignoring John King’s interruption.
But nice try.
stands for decibels
October 29th, 2012
12:39 pm
Most of the money Romney’s putting into the MN ad market is to reach western Wisconsin.
Well, that would make sense, since he’s polling a bit better (down by an average of 4 points, rather than 6.8 points) there.
And it’s possible those ad dollars have had the effect of making the race a tad closer in MN as a result.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
12:42 pm
Weather drives down participation in the unenthusiastic.
With momentum and enthusiasm still with Romney, and weather-related affect on voting will likely be on the Obama side more than the Romney side.
Bob Loblaw
October 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
Sandy won’t be around in 7 days. Life will go on. Everyone will be mad about the recovery, no matter how well coordinated it is. If anything, it enhances the anti-incumbent mood. However, it gives Obama a gift–if he manages this, hands-on and is shown helping people, it will soften those up that are giving him a hard time.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 29th, 2012
12:50 pm
I wouldn’t sweat it, Kyle.
The bipartisan Battleground Poll, in its “vote election model,” is projecting that Mitt Romney will defeat President Obama 52 percent to 47 percent. The poll also found that Romney has an even greater advantage among middle class voters, 52 percent to 45 percent.
carlosgvv
October 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
“can you imagine the uproar”
Are you saying this storm might result in doing away with The Electorial College?
stands for decibels
October 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
I am thinking of Virginia and the eastern part of the state in particular.
jcon, surprisingly, VA doesn’t have early voting. Here’s a useful guide to see who does…
Stephenson Billings
October 29th, 2012
12:53 pm
New Projection of Election Results: Romney 52, Obama 47
“The bipartisan Battleground Poll, in its “vote election model,” is projecting that Mitt Romney will defeat President Obama 52 percent to 47 percent. The poll also found that Romney has an even greater advantage among middle class voters, 52 percent to 45 percent.
While Obama can close the gap with a strong voter turnout effort, “reports from the field would indicate that not to be the case, and Mitt Romney may well be heading to a decisive victory,” says pollster Ed Goeas.
The poll’s election model takes into account variables including voter intensity, age, and education, and voters who are certain in their vote. The race “remains very close in the surface,” Goeas said, “but the political environment and the composition of the likely electorate favor Governor Romney.” ”
http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/new-poll-projects-romney-52-obama-47_658066.html
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 29th, 2012
12:53 pm
And, by the way, this monster is two hundred miles away, out to sea, and it’s still trying to blow my whole freaking house down.
Better listen to Christie, you silly liberals.
Well, I guess I’m supposed to go out and loot now, and then sit up on the roof and wail. Oh yeah and push a bunch of old people down to the ground.
uh, not.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
12:53 pm
“Sandy won’t be around in 7 days.”
No, but it’s effects might still be.
Beyond The Middle of the Road
October 29th, 2012
12:53 pm
I for one hope that a freak storm doesn’t affect the outcome one way or the other. Imagine if it had struck next week. I know elections have been postponed in Great Britain… has that ever occurred in the United States?
Here’s hoping for the least amount of damage and casualties possible during the next few days.
Just Saying..
October 29th, 2012
12:54 pm
I think a mega weather event on Election Day is yet another reason to support early and absentee voting.
Remarkable to me how the Patriot Party so often seems to want to restrict alternative voting methods.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
Spin it how you need, Tiberius but Romney’s intentions are quite clear. Here is more of the transcript:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/06/14/244973/mitt-romney-federal-disaster-relief-for-tornado-and-flood-victims-is-immoral-makes-no-sense-at-all/
iggy
October 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
Like some kinda cheap suit mayor, The Grand Poobah – Capt Oblunder just came on The Weather Channel, with his teleprompter instructing everyone to follow instructions.
Stephenson Billings
October 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
After Bush v. Gore, Obama, Clinton wanted Electoral College scrapped
“President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are among the politicians whose past criticisms of the Electoral College system would draw new scrutiny if there is a split verdict in this year’s presidential election.
National and swing state polls suggest it’s possible Republican Mitt Romney could win this year’s popular vote while Obama triumphs in the Electoral College — potentially marking the second time the rare split in outcomes has occurred in the last 12 years.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/264347-obama-clinton-backed-reforms-to-electoral-college-after-bush-v-gore
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
I think voting should tale place the first weekend in November – Saturday and Sunday. 6am till 10pm
Stephenson Billings
October 29th, 2012
12:57 pm
Labor Department Says No Decision Yet on Whether to Delay Jobs Report
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/10/29/labor-department-may-delay-jobs-report/
iggy
October 29th, 2012
12:57 pm
“has that ever occurred in the United States?”
No…we have early and absentee voting. If one is unable to get it done by Election day then tough noogies.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
12:57 pm
Atlantic City is under water.
Christie tried getting “pre-approved” for federal assistance and Obama granted it last night.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Are you saying this storm might result in doing away with The Electorial College?”
No but it should help in doing away with Obama.
stands for decibels
October 29th, 2012
1:00 pm
No…we have early and absentee voting.
actually, in a lot of states, we don’t, as reported @ 12.52.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
I have been wondering how Obama can duck and dodge for 8 more days on Libya, without answering one question, but now we know, Sandy will bail him out. The public will be left without any answers on Libya until after the election. He is slick, I will have to give him that.
Stephenson Billings
October 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
I’m all for polls open 24 hours on a Saturday. This Tuesday stuff is stupid.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
1:03 pm
No spin, Finny.
Just fact.
Romney had a point he was making, and he wasn’t going to let John King interrupt that point.
Why do you libs have to lie to try to make points in an argument?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 29th, 2012
1:04 pm
I think voting should tale place the first weekend in November – Saturday and Sunday. 6am till 10pm
Well Finn, the labor unions would be busy all weekend preparing those bags of votes, that they always find, that didn’t get counted. Might have to pay them time and a half. There goes inflation!
RW-(the original)
October 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
“has that ever occurred in the United States?”
September 11, 2001 for one
JDW
October 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
@Tiberius…”Romney had a response he was still finishing when John King interrupted him with that question. Romney merely continued the original response, ignoring John King’s interruption.”
I am sure it is that way in Tiberiusville…however in the rest of the universe…not so much.
Beyond The Middle of the Road
October 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
“I’m all for polls open 24 hours on a Saturday. This Tuesday stuff is stupid.” For many other countries Election Day is a national holiday. I couldn’t agree more about Tuesday. A full weekend would be best… plenty of time to vote and you can still choose to not vote on your Sabbath..
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
1:08 pm
If Obama wins the electoral vote but loses the popular vote the righties will scream bloody murder.
Road Scholar
October 29th, 2012
1:10 pm
Yeah, the feds should stop the disaster relief because it will affect the debt and kids’ futures….What about the day after the storm when the school is destroyed or out of service for repairs for months? School buses don’t work and are flooded. Can’t go outside to play. That’s not a meaningful effect! And if you haven’t noticed, states, local governments and school systems don’t have a cushion to soften the blow…no pun intended.
hsn
October 29th, 2012
1:10 pm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
October 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
I have been wondering how Obama can duck and dodge for 8 more days on Libya, without answering one question, but now we know, Sandy will bail him out. The public will be left without any answers on Libya until after the election. He is slick, I will have to give him that.
=================================
4,000 US troops killed in a war based on LIES. No investigations necessary. No answers for the victims. No problem!
100,000 Iraqi citizens killed in a war based on LIES. No investigations necessary. No answers for the victims. No problem!
4 citizens are killed by extremists in Libya, and all of a sudden the con artists and their Fox News followers have discovered an epiphany for “investigations” ans “answering questions.”
You cons are the worst of the worst.
Bullseye
October 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
Hurricane Mittens roars ashore. 47% of the population has been wiped out.
Now back to regular programming.
stands for decibels
October 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
Why we vote on Tuesdays.
Kyle Wingfield
October 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
JDW @ 11:49: This is what I was thinking of. Kevin Drum is about as liberal as it gets, so this isn’t “spin.”
Beyond The Middle of the Road
October 29th, 2012
1:13 pm
“f Obama wins the electoral vote but loses the popular vote the righties will scream bloody murder.” It was wrong in 2000 and it would be wrong again in 2012. The electoral college may have been a good idea way back when but it’s obsolete and needs to be trashed. Let everyone’s vote count the same.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
When you haven’t got a lick of common sense, just lie like a lib to make your point, right, JDW?
JDW
October 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
@Tiberius…”Why do you libs have to lie to try to make points in an argument?”
KING: Including disaster relief, though?
ROMNEY: We cannot — we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.
If you are having trouble understanding the English language maybe you could find someone in your neighborhood you haven’t pi$$ed off yet to read it to you.
iBS Aplenty
October 29th, 2012
1:17 pm
JDW, you’re behaving like a quintessential Dem tool. Using your logic, Romney doesn’t like ANYBODY because he’s looking to reduce the size of many federal programs, i.e., the federal government. It’s clear from the interview that Romney’s speaking in BROAD terms about the federal burden, and importantly, the burden transfer to subsequent generations. The interviewer, on the other hand, was simply attempting to achieve a media “gotcha” moment. Even a fifth-grader could’a correctly sized that up.
You’re bigger than than this, JDW. But then I thought the Dems were bigger than simple vote-buying via federal government expenditures.
JDW
October 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
@Kyle..problem is Mitt got outside the bounds of that by saying…
“Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better. Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut — we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in.”
He is not talking about a one time tradeoff of expenses…he is broaching the idea that Disaster Relief responsiblity (like Medicare/Medicaid in his opinion) should fall on the states.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
“It was wrong in 2000 and it would be wrong again in 2012. The electoral college may have been a good idea way back when but it’s obsolete and needs to be trashed. Let everyone’s vote count the same.”
Uh….you, Sir, are wrong. If Romney wins pop but loses electoral vote than, as far as Im concerned thats just the way it is. I wouldnt like it but the electoral college is there for a very good reason.
Instead of smoking pot during 11th grade govt class you shouldve been hitting the books, MISTER!
whitec477
October 29th, 2012
1:20 pm
Romney’s ever-changing positions on …
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 29th, 2012
1:20 pm
Have you ever noticed that any change limiting the awesome Federal Government suggested by any one, like turning disaster assistance back to the states, is immediately pounced on by the Little Dem Hens, telling us the sky is going to fall. Every disaster ever known to have occurred or that ever might occur, apparently can be averted, ameliorated,or blunted by the Fed Government.
However, there seems to be only disaster that never seems to enter there thinking, insolvent government.
Kyle Wingfield
October 29th, 2012
1:22 pm
JDW @ 1:19: I agree he went beyond what I said. I’m just explaining why I remembered it the way I did: Cantor’s remarks were part of the broader conversation — the context, if you will — at that time.
Joe The Plumber Too
October 29th, 2012
1:23 pm
Just my luck, I get my first copycat (back on page 1) and it has to be a bedwetter without a brain. Get your own name little fellow or at least post something halfway intelligent.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
1:23 pm
I’m sorry with that “lie like a lib” comment. I try not to be redundant in my thoughts.
JDW, look up the word “interrupted” in the dictionary someday.
Maybe then you’ll understand reality.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
1:23 pm
Womb to tomb democrats.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
1:25 pm
AHEM, excuse me good Sir for talkng while you were interrupting.
JDW
October 29th, 2012
1:27 pm
@iBS Aplenty…”It’s clear from the interview that Romney’s speaking in BROAD terms about the federal burden, and importantly, the burden transfer to subsequent generations.”
If that were Romney’s concern he would not have a plan that will clearly add, unnecessarily to the deficit by cutting revenues FURTHER and spending unrequested monies on defense, after all can’t we make do with spending more than the next 15 spenders combined?.
The real problem is that Romney simply says whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear at the time, no matter what the topic. Romney doesn’t have a plan or a philosophy, other than maximizing the bottom line. That works fine when you are a CEO, no points off for pandering or lying, but as President it would be a disaster waiting to happen.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 29th, 2012
1:28 pm
I think we need Romney desperately, but if he loses the EV and wins the popular vote, I will move on. Those are the rules we live by, The Constitution, and only the Dems whine when the rules go against them. The EC rule is there for a purpose, and has gotten us to this point.
JDW
October 29th, 2012
1:29 pm
@Kyle…got it, I agree that Cantor’s remarks set that stage.
Don't Tread
October 29th, 2012
1:30 pm
“I thought the Dems were bigger than simple vote-buying via federal government expenditures.”
No, not really…they have been doing that since before my father was born – they’re just more blatant and arrogant about it now. They’re well into “the end justifies the means” territory now.
Back on topic…The weather shouldn’t be a factor in the elections – otherwise we’re headed down a slippery slope (as if we weren’t headed down a million other slippery slopes). “I didn’t win because it was raining outside!” “It was too hot!” “It was too cold!” “Where are my lawyers?”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
1:30 pm
it’s still trying to blow my whole freaking house down.
Find a box made out of a better grade of cardboard?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
1:31 pm
t’s still trying to blow my whole freaking house down.
Tell yer mom you aren’t paying her anymore rent if the roof blows off.
Kyle Wingfield
October 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
Here’s another take on possible election impacts. I had not thought about Romney’s HQ being in Boston.
RW-(the original)
October 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
Our biggest looming disaster is our debt. How are we gonna disaster relief our way out of that one?
/drive by….
stands,
Obama is sending the Big Dog into Minnesota so maybe it really is tightening up out there.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
1:35 pm
“If that were Romney’s concern he would not have a plan that will clearly add, unnecessarily to the deficit by cutting revenues FURTHER and spending unrequested monies on defense,”
Both myths debunked previously.
cc
October 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
I still want Obama to answer for Benghazi. Four Americans fought for their lives over a seven hour period of time. This event was viewed in real time in the White House. Their requests for assistance were ignored. Not even the 130 gunship was dispatched to take out the mortar. You can’t tell me that Obama didn’t make the call to refuse the requested assistance.
These people died serving a country whose administration failed them miserably at the end of their lives.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 29th, 2012
1:48 pm
hsn
The War in Iraq and Afghanistan was approved by a bi-partisan Congress, nuff said. Whether they worked on not, whatever their costs, they were initially approved off by our government and the American people. So, people lost interest and the wars did not accomplish all that we hoped for, live with it, and quit Monday morning quarterbacking. Whatever you want to know about those wars, has been discussed and investigated thoroughly. We had a 9/11 Commission spend years debating 9/11. Where is the Benghazi gate commission?
All we want to know about Benghazi is what happened. We lost people there and do not know what happened. Why have we been given false narratives and etch a sketch like stories. Who decided not to help those people? Why was there inadequate security? We have a right to know!
JDW
October 29th, 2012
1:51 pm
@Kyle…Boston is likely to be a mess. I have talked to DC, Philly and NJ today and it is already bad with the surge due tonight. Power impact could reach Chicago and according to one projection I saw ourselves.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
storm webcam links. the best one appears to be the first one.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/29/webcams_on_sandy/
iggy
October 29th, 2012
1:55 pm
Capt OBlunder has spoken with all affected Mayors, and as Alexander Haig once stated, “I am in charge here”.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
1:56 pm
“and according to one projection I saw ourselves.”
One projection projects the sky will fall at approx 2:39 a.m. eastern time.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
1:59 pm
DC has setup addl telepompters thru out the city in anticipation the many, yet to come, speeches to be given by The Grand Poobah.
stands for decibels
October 29th, 2012
2:01 pm
Obama is sending the Big Dog into Minnesota so maybe it really is tightening up out there.
So I see he is.
Then again, apparently Romney and/or Ryan might be popping in for an appearance as well, so it’s hard to say who’s faking out whom.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
2:01 pm
the sky will fall
iggy’s science-free zone. must be a conservative?
JDW
October 29th, 2012
2:02 pm
@Tiberius…”Both myths debunked previously”
Only for those residing in Tiberiusville or afflicted with Romenesia…the rest of the universe still exists.
From Politifact…
“Finally, there is the assessment from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan organization focused on debt reduction. They estimate that Romney’s plan will increase the deficit by a total of $2.6 trillion by 2021. Jeff Vanke, senior policy analyst at the committee, says the Romney campaign consistently declines to describe how they will broaden the tax base and compensate for lower tax rates.”
http://www.politifact.com/deficit-fact-check-1/
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
JDW obviously missed the last few debates.
Or can’t understand the English language very well.
The lies come so easily from his keyboard.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
2:09 pm
Psssssst . . . JDW, it’s not just about tax rates regarding revenues.
Think it through, even if it might be a strain for you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
2:17 pm
Which is why the term “Politi-”fact” is such a joke when using it to reference the actual truth.
iggy
October 29th, 2012
2:19 pm
President Oblamer will have his Hurricane Sandy Action Plan ready by 10/31/12 at 9:00PM.
omg
October 29th, 2012
2:20 pm
Does this mean ACORN and other liberal organizations can use mass gov transits to go get people and take to the voting booths and point out which name the should cast their vote?
cc
October 29th, 2012
2:23 pm
“President Oblamer will have his Hurricane Sandy Action Plan ready by 10/31/12 at 9:00PM.”
I don’t doubt that at all. When do you think he will answer the questions about allowing four Americans to die in Benghazi absent any assistance from his corrupt administration?
ohmy
October 29th, 2012
2:24 pm
its likely that the dust bowl (more of ecological phenomenon/disaster) along with the economy and prohibition of course affected the 1932 election: FDR and Hoover
JDW
October 29th, 2012
2:24 pm
@Tiberius…”Which is why the term “Politi-”fact” is such a joke when using it to reference the actual truth.”
I guess in Tiberiusville you give the Pulitzer’s to Faux News or Red State
Ad
October 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
Romney’s tax plan reduces taxes over 10 years by $4.8 trillion. He says he’s going to eliminate SOME deductions to make it revenue neutral, but there are only $1.2 trillion per year taken in deductions per year. So, if you eliminate ALL deductions (at a 33% tax rate), you can only bring in $4 trillion more in taxes over 10 years. His plan won’t work. We know the uber-rich will get their tax cuts, so who do you think will wind up paying for it? Hello, middle-class!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
Gee, JDW, a bunch of liberal newspaper folks giving an award to a liberal news site.
I’m shocked.
Nice to see you couldn’t debunk my earlier point, too.
Why is it that the simpletons on the left can’t seem to understand that parsing and cherry-picking comments to make their points are just lies?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
2:43 pm
President Oblamer will have his Hurricane Sandy Action Plan ready by 10/31/12 at 9:00PM
No, W’s not in office anymore. The new guy actually knows a bit about preparation.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 29th, 2012
2:47 pm
, Romney wants to turn the FEMA thing over to the states. Now we have 50 FEMAs, all with duplicate personnel, duplicate head offces.
I thought you cons wanted smaller government and tax rates? Sounds like the “very” conservative Romney is setting you up for an expansion of government.
JDW
October 29th, 2012
2:48 pm
@Tiberius…”a bunch of liberal newspaper folks giving an award to a liberal news site.”
Dude you are seriously damaged…get help soon
cc
October 29th, 2012
2:49 pm
Ad – Yes, it sure was . . .
cc
October 29th, 2012
2:53 pm
“No, W’s not in office anymore. The new guy actually knows a bit about preparation.”
Obama was certainly “prepared” to deal with Benghazi, wasn’t he? He was prepared to watch those four Americans die while refusing them aid, wasn’t he? He won’t talk now because it’s important for him to “get it right”. When do you think he’ll have it right?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
3:01 pm
JDW, in the REAL world, when someone puts forth a plan to cut the deficit, they do so by including changes to the tax code that are favorable to business growth, changes in regulations which spur growth, and policies that expand the economy.
Any site which focuses on just ONE of those pieces to make their claims of truth or lies (as Politifact does so well) is not worthy of having the term “fact” in their name. In addition, any site which tries to distill down an entire economic plan into a few paragraphs is obviously liberal, because they know they have to reduce complex solutions into readily digestible sound bites for their dumbed-down masses.
I’m sorry you don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand complex solutions which tie multiple facets of a complex economy together (which is why you vote Democrat), but that is YOUR problem, not mine.
I don’t do dumbed-down (except when replying to you so that you can understand me), which is why I vote intelligently each and every election.
JDW
October 29th, 2012
3:10 pm
@Tiberius…”in the REAL world, when someone puts forth a plan to cut the deficit, they do so by including changes to the tax code that are favorable to business growth, changes in regulations which spur growth, and policies that expand the economy.”
Yeah thats why Clinton’s plan sent the deficit through the roof and Reagan and Duhbya clamped a lid on it…ugggghhh wait that doesn’t sound right
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 29th, 2012
3:14 pm
You’re really an idiot today, JDW (even more than usual).
Clinton also had a GOP Congress he was willing to actually work with (as opposed to this current disaster) who brought along budget cuts in addition to the renewed economy (even if it was a dot-com bubble which eventually burst).
Simpleton.
DawgDad
October 29th, 2012
3:27 pm
“Could this election turn on the effects of a mega-storm?”
Sure, a chance Obama might finally look and act Presidential.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 29th, 2012
3:27 pm
If Obozo had been prepared, the Benghazi deaths wouldn’t have happened.
Who could have imagined an Islamofascist attack on a US facility in a Muslim country on the anniversary of 9/11? Most anyone who was paying attention, that’s who.
Obozo is an America-hating Marxist, and to vote for him is to be OK with that.
Vote American.
cc
October 29th, 2012
3:50 pm
I find it unusual for all you leftists not to respond to any questions with regard to Obama and Benghazi. Scratch that, it isn’t unusual at all. When you can’t come up with a lie big enough to cover Obama’s rear end, you merely remain very quiet on the subject. What’s wrong? Did the people you get your leftists talking points from not give you sufficient ammunition with which to defend your “main man”?
Maybe it’s because there is simply NO DEFENSE for his deplorable actions. I guess we’ll have to wait until all of you can “get it right”.
cc
October 29th, 2012
4:06 pm
Rafe? Tiberius? Barry? Where did all those libtards go?
cc
October 29th, 2012
4:14 pm
Never mind. Bookman broke wind and all the libtards are busy refueling now.
RGB
October 29th, 2012
4:23 pm
Obama cancelled his campaign events for today simply because he was criticized for not doing so (fundraiser in Vegas) after turning down military assistance that might have spared the life of US Ambassador Chris Stevens.
Tiberius, thanks for reminding that unprepossessing individual about the fact that Clinton indeed did some things against his will because of Republicans in Congress. Left to their own devices, these statists would spend every dime anybody ever had regardless of the outcome of their actions. They are basically addicts who are addicted to government. My personal theory is that they get a rush of dopamine when they feel they are “helping” people with other peoples’ money.
Sister Sarah
October 29th, 2012
4:32 pm
I know what I saw in demographics for early voter turnout in Georgia. In “RED” Georgia. You can’t tell me about Democratic enthusiasm when people are braving 4 HOUR LINES IN GEORGIA to make their voices heard! LOL
Counting down the number of election cycles until Georgia goes blue! Coming soon to a county near you. Keep pretending if you must people. It makes you feel better, I know.
TheDixieDove.com
October 29th, 2012
4:36 pm
Press Repeats Iraq Mistake With Romney-No Vetting-
ROMNEY WOULD START WWIII
This is a frightening situation. Is he the real Manchurian candidate? The US press as a whole is not vetting Mitt Romney the same way they did not properly vet the Iraq War decision by George W Bush.
There is no doubt according to Romney’s statements and alliances that he would put us on a path to war with Iran. That in fact is the prime reason that he has universal neo-con and far right support. To elect Romney is tantamount to making Benjamin Netanyahu US Secretary of Defense.
But the US press is letting Romney skate by on this simply by avoiding real interviews. We’re talking about polls and the Republicans are taking us to war, again.
Every one of Romney’s arch supporters and benefactors publicly called for George W Bush to attack Iran before he
left office. Romney won’t refuse them. And our press is going to let him go into the election without talking about it?
I hate to say it and hope for the best, but the fact is our national news media made a lot of money on high ratings during the Iraq War. I wish they had the sense to make some money challenging wars before they happen.
God help us, the press isn’t willing.
http://TheDixieDove.com/
cc
October 29th, 2012
4:40 pm
“Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism.” The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives. “
“If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:
– Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
– Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood. “
This is only a short excerpt. There’s plenty more to read:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
cc
October 29th, 2012
4:44 pm
“Counting down the number of election cycles until Georgia goes blue!”
I hope that you are VERY young if you think you’ll be here when “Georgia goes blue”. I don’t think you’ll live to see it, though.
cc
October 29th, 2012
4:46 pm
TheDixieDove.com:
Words simply fail me . . .
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
October 29th, 2012
4:53 pm
Each state has procedures whereby they can postpone the official voting day in the event of an extreme emergency, which Sandy could well qualify. Can you imagine the craziness if 10 or more states postpone voting for 2 weeks while the rest of the country votes as scheduled?
I know people, in swing states especially, are campaign weary, but it would almost make more sense to postpone it for the entire country in that situation. Then we could have more debates! LoL
Old timer
October 29th, 2012
5:10 pm
People who want to vote will…..there might be long lines on election day. I am waiting to see how Obama politicized this event.
Dusty
October 29th, 2012
5:36 pm
Oh tra la la la ….get out and vote. I already have. Lotsa people doing it.
If a storm about a week before an election stalls people, they probably were not going to vote anyway,. Determined people get where they want to go.
Methinks the Democrats are sending out their own “storm warning”. Have you ever seen such fervor, imagination (lies), frequency and impervious prevarications as we see here from our regular super-lib bloggers ? JDW, Finn, Dixie Doves et al are knocking themselves out!! A real circus doing their last act before the big storm blows ‘em away (and I”m not talking about the weather!).
Sister Sarah
October 29th, 2012
5:40 pm
I’ve got one word for you to chew on CC – DEMOGRAPHICS! Keep denying the inevitable. Like I said…it makes you feel better.
Have a toke.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 29th, 2012
5:41 pm
Bookman broke wind and all the libtards are busy refueling now.
———————
ROFLMGDAO!
Dusty
October 29th, 2012
5:49 pm
Old Timer,
Obama politicize?
I imagine Obama has already made some touching pictures of him handing out food packages to poor little wet children and their bedraggled gramdmas. The press reported that he has already made plans. The pictures will be front page news very shortly.
cc
October 29th, 2012
5:51 pm
Sister Sarah:
Why don’t you explain to me what you mean by “demographics”?
cc
October 29th, 2012
5:52 pm
Barry:
I was beginning to think that no one noiced . . .
cc
October 29th, 2012
6:09 pm
“A real circus doing their last act before the big storm blows ‘em away (and I”m not talking about the weather!).”
The REAL storm might actually prove to be a mini-landslide, or perhaps even a major one! I do believe they are beginning to sense what is coming, don’t like it but can’t stop it!
Hillbilly D
October 29th, 2012
7:02 pm
Am I forgetting or missing something? And would such an event de-legitimize an election result in your mind?
Answer 1: Not that I can remember.
Answer 2: No.
Hillbilly D
October 29th, 2012
7:06 pm
ROMNEY WOULD START WWIII
Ah, I remember back in 1964, my uncle telling me he wouldn’t vote for Goldwater because “he’ll get us into a war”. Remember what happened after 1964?
Sister Sarah
October 29th, 2012
7:13 pm
If I have to explain to you demographics cc you obviously don’t get it.. or simply don’t want to. It is a pretty tough pill to swallow. Oh yeah… it’s not as simplistic of an explanation as you might imagine (or should I say shallow). I’ll contemplate whether or not I really want to get into it, as I know for the KW faithful it would essentially be a waste of energy.
cc
October 29th, 2012
7:23 pm
Sister Sarah:
I don’t believe you have a clue as to what you’re trying to say. I don’t think you know what the current demographics for the state are now. You don’t have to give me a “simplistic of an explanation” as I am probably smart enough to follow your line of thought.
It truly isn’t important, and I don’t want you to kill off any more of your valuable brain cells trying to figure a way out of your statement.
Lakeisha Jackson
October 29th, 2012
8:47 pm
I’ll bet you anything under the sun that…a day or so after the storm blows through…we see Obama in Pennsylvania and Virginia trying to appear “presidential” and slinging FEMA money around left and right.
cc
October 30th, 2012
10:55 am
Billboard sign says:
WE built it.
You broke it.
We’ll fix it.
You’re fired!