Emails show White House knew of terrorists’ Benghazi claim within two hours. So why blame a video for two weeks?
The Obama administration/campaign’s story about what happened in Benghazi on Sept. 11 keeps having run-ins with the facts. The latest comes from Reuters:
Officials at the White House and State Department were advised two hours after attackers assaulted the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11 that an Islamic militant group had claimed credit for the attack, official emails show.
The emails, obtained by Reuters from government sources not connected with U.S. spy agencies or the State Department and who requested anonymity, specifically mention that the Libyan group called Ansar al-Sharia had asserted responsibility for the attacks.
The brief emails also show how U.S. diplomats described the attack, even as it was still under way, to Washington.
U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the Benghazi assault, which President Barack Obama and other U.S. officials ultimately acknowledged was a “terrorist” attack carried out by militants with suspected links to al Qaeda affiliates or sympathizers.
Administration spokesmen, including White House spokesman Jay Carney, citing an unclassified assessment prepared by the CIA, maintained for days that the attacks likely were a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim film.
The story goes on to say officials referred to evidence that the violence “erupted spontaneously” — an apparent reference to the alleged protests about an alleged anti-Muslim video. But as we now know, there was no protest leading up to the attacks on the consulate, so it’s hard to understand what sort of evidence they could have been describing. A claim of responsibility by an al-Qaida affiliate, on the other hand, would seem to have been sufficient evidence not to frame the issue even once as a matter of First Amendment freedoms gone wrong.
Unless, of course, one happened to be running for re-election and basing one’s pitch to voters in large part on the idea that al-Qaida is on its way to defeat.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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JDW
October 24th, 2012
10:42 am
@Kyle…so I guess that a Terrorist Group has never lied about such a thing and we should immediately accept all such claims as fact?
JDW
October 24th, 2012
10:47 am
@Kyle..here is a good review of what was actually said…minus the insinuations
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/10/world/libya-attack-statements/index.html
Don't Tread
October 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Makes you wonder what else is being covered up. We already know of one cover-up (Fast and Furious), where 0bama made the decision to cover the whole thing up via executive privilege. It was apparently less damaging than letting the truth get out.
M. Jones
October 24th, 2012
10:52 am
A terrorist attack on 9/11, 2012. Who could have guessed that?
kayaker 71
October 24th, 2012
10:55 am
What an absolute cluster. What does this crowd think we are?…… a bunch of dumbasses? Lies, lies and more lies. Does it ever stop?
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
10:55 am
“@Kyle…so I guess that a Terrorist Group has never lied about such a thing and we should immediately accept all such claims as fact?”
No, JDW, but then we shouldnt immediately dismiss it either. Nor should we be claiming something pretty much acknowledged not to be true 2 weeks later on all the Sunday talk shows. They !@#!@# sure knew by then…….
Centrist
October 24th, 2012
10:56 am
Diverting attention from a true terrorist attack during the initial news cycle, and pretending it was a spontaneous demonstration gone out of control was a mostly successful political maneuver.
Slowly correcting the dodge is old news with much less impact. The MSM downplays it to help Obama. But then you knew that when you asked the question: “So why blame a video for two weeks?”
USMC
October 24th, 2012
10:57 am
I think even the DUMBEST of DemocRats knew that the YOUTUBE VIDEO excuse was a LIE from the start.
Even she knew….. Well, may be not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
10:58 am
“The emails, obtained by Reuters from government sources not connected with U.S. spy agencies or the State Department and who requested anonymity, specifically mention that the Libyan group called Ansar al-Sharia had asserted responsibility for the attacks.”
That somebody had claimed responsibility is evidence? In what world do you live, Kyle? Why was that a better evidence than, let’s say, the following:
LA Times, 10/19/3012: “The assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi last month appears to have been an opportunistic attack rather than a long-planned operation, and intelligence agencies have found no evidence that it was ordered by Al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials and witnesses interviewed in Libya.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/19/world/la-fg-libya-attack-20121020
kayaker 71
October 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Al Queda is behind us….”We have decimated their ranks and their leadership”. “We got Ben Ladin”. “They are no longer a threat to this country”. Lies, lies and more lies.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
10:59 am
JDW is correct. We should just take a terrorist group’s word as fact and a statement of honesty?
Terrorist Group: “We took the last cinnamon roll!”
Con President: “Send in the drones! DO IT, NOW!”
md
October 24th, 2012
11:00 am
“so I guess that a Terrorist Group has never lied about such a thing and we should immediately accept all such claims as fact?”
Of course not, but logic also dictates that if they knew this, they shouldn’t be going forward with a false narrative that would also be suspect of being true.
The logical course would have been to say “we aren’t quite sure just yet”…….and that didn’t happen.
Why?
JDW
October 24th, 2012
11:01 am
@markie mark…”but then we shouldnt immediately dismiss it either”
Of course not which is why this was said
September 12 — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:
“We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault.
September 12 — White House spokesman Jay Carney, in response to questions about whether the attack was planned:
“It’s too early for us to make that judgment.
September 13 — State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland:
“Well, as we said yesterday when we were on background, we are very cautious about drawing any conclusions with regard to who the perpetrators were, what their motivations were, whether it was premeditated, whether they had any external contacts, whether there was any link, until we have a chance to investigate along with the Libyans.
There is more but you get the idea. If you look at most of the statements regarding the video they reference the unrest in the region rather than just the specific incident.
Common Sense
October 24th, 2012
11:01 am
This President has a clear history of dismissing the seriousness of our enemies and blaming the events on Americans.
What is even more appalling is the number of media and Americans who stand firm with him, even though they know what is really happening.
For some, the ends will always justify the means.
It just means the rest of us must not bend to the pressures to merely accept things because someone in government makes a claim.
JDW
October 24th, 2012
11:01 am
@md…”The logical course would have been to say “we aren’t quite sure just yet”…….and that didn’t happen.”
Yet that is, for the most part, EXACTLY what happened.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
11:02 am
I travel overseas and understand there is a bit of danger in my being an American citizen abroad.
Now, if I were a diplomat, an american citizen representing the highest offices of America, I would expect it is a LOT more dangerous for me. Would that…should that stop me from doing my job?
There must not be any conservative photo journalists in the world cause it sounds like the Cons are all candy-bottomed.
cc
October 24th, 2012
11:02 am
“Emails show White House knew of terrorists’ Benghazi claim within two hours. So why blame a video for two weeks?”
The answer is given in your last line of the column, but there is even more to this. Obama and his entire administration is built on lies. They have become so accustomed to the unquestioning masses accepting their lies that they now believe they can lie about anything and the public will buy it. Certainly the Kool-Aid drinkers wrap themselves in the lies and enthusiastically repeat, support and defend those lies. You need look no further than regular posters on this blog to find evidence of this.
Common Sense
October 24th, 2012
11:02 am
“We should just take a terrorist group’s word as fact and a statement of honesty?”
And who’s word were you taking when you blamed an unseen video?
JDW
October 24th, 2012
11:04 am
@markie mark…”Nor should we be claiming something pretty much acknowledged not to be true 2 weeks later ”
Really…2 weeks to the day…
September 25 — President Obama on ABC’s “The View,” in response to interviewer Joy Behar’s question, “I heard Hillary Clinton say it was an act of terrorism. Is it? What do you say?”:
“We’re still doing an investigation. There’s no doubt that (with) the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn’t just a mob action. We don’t have all the information yet, so we’re still gathering it. But what’s clear is that around the world, there’s still a lot of threats out there.” Obama also said “extremist militias” were suspected to have been involved.
Now where in that statement is the video blamed?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
11:05 am
Salon brings up an interesting paradox:
Rarely before in American history has a candidate for president campaigned on such a blank slate. Yet, paradoxically, not a day goes by that we don’t hear Romney, or some other exponent of the GOP, claim that businesses aren’t creating more jobs because they’re uncertain about the future…….
In fact, Romney has created far more uncertainty. He offers a virtual question mark of an economy.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/mitts_question_mark_economy/
md
October 24th, 2012
11:06 am
“Yet that is, for the most part, EXACTLY what happened.”
No it’s not, they pushed a false narrative for almost 3 weeks……….a narrative that they KNEW could be false given these emails.
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
11:09 am
I guess that a Terrorist Group has never lied about such a thing and we should immediately accept all such claims as fact?
That’s how it works in teevee shows and spy novels, right?
What is this obsession with the public announcement of who was responsible? Who cares? The State Dept. does not exist to inform Joe Sixpack as to who attacked our embassy. Despite what some of y’all think, it’s not all about you and Kyle’s daily post.
This administration has done a far better job than the previous one and that’s why we hear endless whining and carping. Y’all think you cover your own inept moves by criticizing the other guy, even when it makes you look like an insane partisan tool.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
11:09 am
Oh, the outrage!
This whine will go away after Obama smokes Mittens in the election.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Meet the Press, September 16
MS. RICE: “Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. WHAT WE THINK THEN TRANSPIRED IN BENGHAZI IS THAT OPPORTUNISTIC EXTREMIST ELEMENTS CAME TO THE CONSULATE AS THIS WAS UNFOLDING. [My emphasis]They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation.”
LA Times October 19:
“The assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi last month appears to have BEEN AN OPPORTUNISTIC ATTACK RATHER THAN A LONG-PLANNED OPERATION [My emphasis], and intelligence agencies have found no evidence that it was ordered by Al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials and witnesses interviewed in Libya.”
curious
October 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Downplay the attack.
reminds me of Donald Rumsfeld telling the soldier wanting up armored vehicles in Iraq “you go to war with what you have”.
Considering the invasion of Iraq was on our timetable, maybe Rumsfeld shouldn’t have been quite so dismissive.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
11:13 am
“So why blame a video for two weeks?”
Because it would destroy our last advantage in this Presidential campaign – that being that we’ve never been attacked since Obama’s been President, and that we’ve got the terrorists on the run.
Bottom-line, when you have these e-mails, the now known drone information, and the simple reality that people don’t bring RPG’s to demonstrations, you can come to the only conclusion possible, and that is that this White House and administration is filled with think only about the next election, blame anybody but ourselves incompetents who had no business being put in charge on this nation.
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
11:13 am
@md…”The logical course would have been to say “we aren’t quite sure just yet”…….and that didn’t happen.”
Yet that is, for the most part, EXACTLY what happened.
JDW, totally disagree. They did their damndest to spin this as a spontaneous attack, and everybody can pretty much see that. If you wish not to, well, good luck with that bit of disbelief……
Verbal Kint
October 24th, 2012
11:14 am
In two weeks, we’ll be celebrating the electiion of a new president.
adam smith's invisible hand
October 24th, 2012
11:14 am
About a dozen groups “claimed credit” for 9/11/2001’s attacks, but only one group did it.
Why? So it could....
October 24th, 2012
11:14 am
…give your colleague Bookman something else about which to pander for Obuma…and, is there a difference in an “act of terrorism” vs. “acts of terror”? But after he remembered what Rham told him, “never let a good scandal go to waste”, he had to blame the death on something in order to get out from underhis going to bed while his ambassador was under attack…
JDW
October 24th, 2012
11:14 am
@md…”No it’s not, they pushed a false narrative for almost 3 weeks……….a narrative that they KNEW could be false given these emails.”
hummm…last qoute I know of that raised the possiblity was Susan Rice on Sept. 16th…Carney addressed the subject on the 18th
September 18 — Jay Carney:
“Our belief, based on the information we have, is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped — that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”
Please note he is referring to Cairo as caused by the video and clearly notes that there are other factors under investigation.
curious
October 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Probable that about every bad guy (and there are plenty) in Libya has a AK47/RPG, etc. in their vehicle.
Halftrack
October 24th, 2012
11:17 am
There are several options to consider. 1) it is election time and like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar denies it. 2) protocol of urgent messages could have gone awry. 3) straight out incompetence of all waiting on someone else to make the call of what to do. 4) strategy or secret deals with Muslim extremeist so as to not anger them more. 5) so committed to blaming America first and wanting to placate our enemies. 6) part of all of the above.
adam smith's invisible hand
October 24th, 2012
11:17 am
oh – and even though it was called an act of terror by Obama immediately, no one on the right has yet to give a decent reason why they think the WH wouldn’t want to lable it a terrorist attack. This smells of real desperation from the GOP, which, given the polls, makes sense,.
Randy Ayn
October 24th, 2012
11:18 am
Don’t worry. Mitt’s going to build 3 nuclear subs a year instead of 2, so that’ll keep us safe from terrorists.
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
11:18 am
“Y’all think you cover your own inept moves by criticizing the other guy, even when it makes you look like an insane partisan tool.”
Aquagirl, you pretty much have described yourself and Finn….is there anything this president can do that will make you guys stop carrying water for him? Apparently not from what you guys post and spin….
JF McNamara
October 24th, 2012
11:19 am
They just outright lied about it. Maybe they were trying to deny credit to terrorists or not tell the truth because they wanted to secure the situation on the ground. Either way, they lied about it when they should have just told the truth.
I guess no matter who wins, we will be getting a liar as President.
Verbal Kint
October 24th, 2012
11:19 am
” This smells of real desperation from the GOP, which, given the polls, makes sense.”
This is an interesting statement.
mike
October 24th, 2012
11:20 am
Interesting. As a vet I am trying to understand exactly what was the President to do? As a vet and having spent time in the country in the middle east I know security is not provided by a phone call to the White House. As far as who lied, the biggest and most costly lie in human lifes and injuries was told by the Bush folks. Where was all the finger pointing then?
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
11:20 am
playtimes been fun, time to go to work…..be nice, all….
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
11:21 am
blame anybody but ourselves incompetents who had no business being put in charge on[sic] this nation.
Yawn. Lemme know when we launch an entire war months after receiving faulty intelligence. Then maybe you can have some cheese with that whine.
Armchair spies are worth about as much as armchair generals and for some reason conservatives seem to have a surplus of both. Why it attracts guys who never got beyond their dress up and pretend phase is mercifully unknown.
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
11:23 am
sorry, I couldnt leave after seeing that….Mike, bush is gone. I know thats hard, but I am worried about the future, not his F1@#$@#$ups in the past. And as a vet, you should know the rules. If the ship runs aground, even when the captain is asleep at 3 o’clock in the morning and the Office of the Deck is a 1st lieutenant, the Captain is responsible.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
11:24 am
” This smells of real desperation from the GOP, which, given the polls, makes sense.”
You mean the ones showing Romney leading?
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
11:24 am
***Officer of the deck
Partisay
October 24th, 2012
11:25 am
USMC – Why would democrats, or the DUMBEST democrats as you put it, know that the video was just an excuse? If an ignorant redneck preacher from Florida can set off riots in the ME that results in deaths, why couldn’t a vile video about Muslims do the same thing?
Would you really expect President Obama or his administration to say, “well, apparently it was terrorism because a Libyan group just said so on Facebook and Twitter. So it must be so.” How stupid is that?
Usually, when something like this happens, more than one group will claim responsibility!
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
11:26 am
Finn@10:59 – The only good terrorist is a DEAD terrorist!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
11:26 am
Aquagirl, two points:
One, I have ALWAYS disagreed with the invasion of Iraq. ALWAYS. So that dog of yours doesn’t hunt.
Two, GWB isn’t on the ballot. Obama is. And he should be judged on HIS actions or inaction’s.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
11:26 am
Kyle; “Emails show White House knew of terrorists’ Benghazi claim within two hours.”
It seems Kyle belongs among those several people commenting on this blog who believe that the meaning of the words they use is unimportant and arguing about a meaning is just “semantics.” An interesting attitude for a journalist, whose tools are words. Perhaps Kyle could enlighten us about his understanding of the words “the White House KNEW.”
Grasshopper
October 24th, 2012
11:27 am
It’s useless trying to convince Obama’s rabid supporters that the administration sold half-truths, innuendo, and down-right lies to the American public about the Benghazi terrorist attack. They are so deep into the president’s man-cave that they can’t even hear factual evidence, must less process it thoughtfully.
We just have to hope that the undecided voters out there, (Lord, bless them) don’t have their myopic blinders on and can understand what is happening in the physical world apart from their reality TV screens. Fingers crossed and prayers mouthed.
Darwin
October 24th, 2012
11:30 am
You peddle this nonsense when 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. What does Romney stand for? You have to wait to find out because it changes every five minutes.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
11:30 am
Kyle and others also fail to explain their theory about why the White House would want to downplay the attack, or the possible, but still not proven role of Al Qaeda. There have been terrorist attack in the Middle East and elsewhere quite frequently, some also attributed to Al Qaeda. Why should the circumstances of this attack be suddenly more politically damaging?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
11:31 am
“Perhaps Kyle could enlighten us about his understanding of the words “the White House KNEW.”
Maybe because one of the addressees of the e-mails in question is the WHITE HOUSE Situation Room, MarkV?
Are you really going to hang your hat on that argument?
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
11:31 am
Let me make sure what point you’re trying to make @ 11:26, MarkV: Are you actually arguing there was a possibility that, at 6 p.m. and just two hours after emails went out with the subject line: “U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack,” NO ONE in the White House bothered to read the emailed update that Ansar al Sharia had claimed responsibility?
Is that the absurdity you’re floating here?
md
October 24th, 2012
11:32 am
Some of you have some awful funky logic.
So, we are all sitting in a meeting and the boss asks “what the heck just happened”?
And the options were:
We got some e-mails saying it might be a terrorist group…..and
It might be because of all the protests over this movie…….
Now, the operative word is “might”, meaning they just don’t know.
So the selected option is to run with one of the 2 when one is not sure if either is correct?
Let’s hope you guys don’t sit in board rooms making decisions…………
Pizzaman
October 24th, 2012
11:32 am
“….sources not connected with US Spy Agencies or the US State Department and requesting anonymity…” So who was it Kyle? The dish washer at the Senate cafeteria? Or is this Trump’s big announcement?. Did you ever consider this is all “Trumped” up? To be believed one has to be believable. Not just publish something you wish was/is true.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
11:32 am
“Why should the circumstances of this attack be suddenly more politically damaging?”
Uh, Election 2012, MarkV?
In case you’ve been in a bunker somewhere for the past 2 years . . .
Francis
October 24th, 2012
11:33 am
The sad part is that the liberal media does not care about it. If Mr. Obama wins this election, it will be a sad day for this country. It will show that the liberal media has the power to control the destiny of this country.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
11:34 am
Darwin @ 11:30: As far as I’m aware, the Bush administration didn’t wait until late September 2012 to confirm the attacks were carried out by terrorists — and didn’t continue peddling some known-to-be-bogus alternative theory for weeks afterward. That’s the issue here.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
11:37 am
Pizzaman @ 11:32: Unless you’re contesting the authenticity of the emails, I’m not sure why that matters.
As for Trump, I have such a low opinion of his political acumen that I expect his “big revelation” to be either meaningless or actually damaging to Romney’s chances. Trump — like Gloria Allred, the other publicity hound scheduling a “bombshell” presser today — is a sideshow.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
11:38 am
You know what the biggest difference between you libs and us cons are? If I mess up, I’ll say my bad and will make every effort to not let it happen again. You libs refuse to say you messed up and say we will do better the next time. Yes, foreign countries are dangerous and Americans take certain risks in choosing to be there but for god’s sake, don’t cover it up when a event happens. As Herman Cain says daily”we are not stupid”! Places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, where troops are ordered to go, we know there is danger there and accept that fact. I am sick of you libs not being transparent and twisting the facts to support your case.
Interested Observer
October 24th, 2012
11:40 am
“…the attackers, recognized as members of a local militant group called Ansar al-Shariah, did tell bystanders that they were attacking the compound because they were angry about the video. They did not mention the Sept. 11 anniversary. Intelligence officials believe that planning for the attack probably began only a few hours before it took place.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/us/politics/questions-and-answers-on-the-benghazi-attack.html?_r=0
I’ve followed this story closely, and I’m still not sure why the rest of us are supposed to be as outraged as Republicans want us to be. After all, whether or not the attack was inspired by the video is irrelevant…either way it was a terrorist attack. President Obama acknowledged that fact the day after the attack and again the day after that. Even Mitt Romney realizes that this is weak tea…which is why he changed the subject in the foreign policy debate after being questioned specifically about this subject.
Can we move on to the next faux outrage now?
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
11:41 am
Tom @ 11:38: Leaving out one letter of a blocked word doesn’t cut it. You can repost your comment with something like “messed up.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
11:41 am
But then again, we libs gave the Cons all kinds of heck after we found out the Bush administration had fabricated all their justification for going to war with Iraq. Lies that have cost the world 10,000s of lives. and left us holding a sack of the steamy.
Remember that Cons? The lies that ruined Colin Powell’s career? The leis about the mushroom cloud?
Thousands of American troops dead. 10’s of thousands of Iraqi civilians dead. Some lies are bigger than others, agree?
JackThrock
October 24th, 2012
11:42 am
Here’s are a few questions I’d like answered:
1. Mr. President, why did you go to bed while America was under attack?
2. Mr. President, why did you not take your security briefing on September 12, choosing instead to fly to NV for a fundraiser?
3. Mr. President, why did you not take any security briefings since September 5?
4. Mr. President, why have you dropped from your stump speech further mentions of al qaida being “on the run”?
5. Mr. President, given the fact that the international media has been all over the consulate grounds in Benghazi, why have you not insisted that the FBI get to Libya and investigate this attack immediately?
6. Mr. President, when will you lay out all of the facts for the American people, indicating what was known when by whom and why certain decisions were made the way they were?
What are the chances of getting answers to ANY of these questions before the election?
Zero
getalife
October 24th, 2012
11:42 am
” It is impossible to look at the G.O.P.’s behavior in the last four years — from its unwillingness to consider Obama’s jobs bill, which was praised by independent economists, to the unwillingness of its presidential candidates to consider a $1 increase in taxes for $10 of spending cuts, to the time it spent on sheer lunacy such as questioning the president’s birth certificate — and not conclude that many in the party just wanted Obama to fail in the hope that they could pick up the pieces. Too many Republicans, particularly moderate business types, don’t want to admit how much their party has been led around of late, not by traditional conservatives, but by a radical Tea Party base that has driven decent, smart conservatives — like Bob Bennett of Utah, Bob Inglis of South Carolina, Richard Lugar of Indiana and Olympia Snowe of Maine — out of office.
What I’d say about Obama’s domestic and Middle East policies is that, given the messes and political constraints he inherited in both arenas, he did about as well as anyone could. He kept the homeland safe, prevented us from getting drawn into any sinkholes and killed bad guys. It is not the stuff of foreign policy legend, but it was not bad. I’d say the same at home. He stanched the bleeding in the economy and initiated some smart reforms in education, energy and health” Friedman.
Intellectual honesty.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
11:43 am
the Bush administration didn’t wait until late September 2012
They didn’t wait a whole year? But Obama did?
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
11:44 am
Kyle – Ok, my mistake, will see it not happen again!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
11:46 am
Has anyone who doesn’t watch the Faux News Outrage channel see this subject as damaging to the President?
Pizzaman
October 24th, 2012
11:47 am
Kyle @ 11:31:
I would hope any WH would have looked at the “From” line immediately after the “Subj” line and IF the source was/is creditable act on it.
The real unfortunate thing about this is the Repubs desperate attempt to make this an “October surprise” and continue to give whoever is responsible page one headlines. I suppose the next thing you’ll do is publish the plans currently underway to give these people the dirt nap they deserve.
Interested Observer
October 24th, 2012
11:48 am
Kyle @11:34: NOBODY peddled any “didn’t continue peddling some known-to-be-bogus alternative theory.”
“Ms. Rice, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, has said that the judgments she offered on the five talk shows on Sept. 16 came from talking points prepared by the C.I.A., which reckoned that the attack that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans had resulted from a spontaneous mob that was angry about an anti-Islamic video that had set off protests elsewhere. That assessment, described to Ms. Rice in briefings the day before her television appearances, was based on intercepted communications, informants’ tips and Libyan press reports, officials said.
Later that Sunday, though, American intelligence analysts were already sifting through new field reports that seemed to contradict the initial assessment. It would be several days, however, before the intelligence agencies changed their formal assessment based on those new reports, and informed administration officials about the change. Intelligence officials say such a lag is typical of the ever-changing process of piecing together shards of information into a coherent picture fit for officials’ public statements…
The gap between the talking points prepared for Ms. Rice and the contemporaneous field reports that seemed to paint a much different picture illustrates how the process of turning raw field reports, which officials say need to be vetted and assessed, into polished intelligence assessments can take days, long enough to make them outdated by the time senior American officials utter them.
Intelligence officials, alarmed that their work has been turned into a political football, defend their approach, noting that senior administration officials receive daily briefings that reflect the consensus of the nation’s array of intelligence agencies, but can also dip into the fast-moving stream of field reports, with the caveat that that information is incomplete and may be flat wrong…
‘Right now, there isn’t any intelligence that the attackers preplanned their assault days or weeks in advance,’ said the intelligence official. ‘The bulk of available information supports the early assessment that the attackers launched their assault opportunistically after they learned about the violence at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.’”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/22/us/politics/explanation-for-benghazi-attack-under-scrutiny.html?pagewanted=all
Matz
October 24th, 2012
11:48 am
I’m flabbergasted at the arrogance of ordinary citizens who are outraged — OUTRAGED, I tell you! — that they are not privy to the details of day-to-day security issues in the war-torn, hostile regions of the Middle East, in which the security and safety of our intelligence personnel, alliances, and other covert and diplomatic operatives likely depend on NOT blabbing every little detail of everything that happens, just to please the entitlement mentality of the average schmo who thinks his input is pertinent and his opinion actually matters.
Funny I didn’t hear this kind of outrage when Boss Cheney held is energy policy meetings or testified at the 9-11 commission in secret. “You want a transcript? Go *bleep* yourself!” “Right to know?” Yeah, right.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
11:48 am
Kyle – Is there any way to take out the bad word and leave the post?
Interested Observer
October 24th, 2012
11:49 am
Correction to previous comment
NOBODY peddled any “known-to-be-bogus alternative theory.”
getalife
October 24th, 2012
11:49 am
mitt has another rape problem and he endorsed the con and made an ad for the con. mitt still endorses him.
mitt lost the women vote.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
11:51 am
Matz, Bush isn’t on the ballot.
Obama is.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
11:52 am
“mitt has another rape problem ”
The most dishonest, misleading and moronic post of the day.
Not surprising who it came from.
Pizzaman
October 24th, 2012
11:53 am
Kyle @ 11:37. Yes! I’m contesting the authenticity of the e-mails. No responsible organization would act on an anonymous source. And in this case it would take weeks or months to verify the culprits before acting.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
11:54 am
Who did Mitt rape?
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
11:55 am
One, I have ALWAYS disagreed with the invasion of Iraq. ALWAYS. So that dog of yours doesn’t hunt.
Amazingly enough, it’s not about your personal fee-fees on the Iraq war, Tiberius.
$#!^ happens. When that $#!^ happens, we try to find out what’s going on so we can deal with the situation. Perhaps key informants don’t keep banking hours or answer their cellphones at our command. This may frustrate the average American, who can’t even sit in a drive-thru for 3 minutes but gathering intelligence and getting the full story just may take some time.
If you have unrealistic expectations and think the main point of our intelligence gathering is informing YOU and the media of what’s going on, that’s some breathtaking arrogance. Constant second guessing and armchair quarterbacking only impresses your Tea Potty friends with the tricorn hats.
Obama and Clinton have done a good job in their behind the scenes work. I trust them to take care of business. If you approve of the previous guy who bungled the job, or don’t wail about his incompetence maybe you should question your judgement before you start trumpeting how Things Should Be Done.
Lordy, the internet is full of know-it-alls. Nobody here knows the full story on who said what to who when, or why they said it. If you want to play Jack Bauer in public don’t complain when you get eye rolls.
Francis
October 24th, 2012
11:55 am
Four Americans were left to die in Benghazi and the liberal media is covering it up. It’s a shame.
JackThrock
October 24th, 2012
11:56 am
getalife:
Intellectual honesty requires Americans of all stripes to answer questions HONESTLY. We agree on that. Completely.
The questions before us today relate to Benghazi. That is the issue. Bush and Tea Partiers had NOTHING to do with the way in which Pres Obama and his administration handled this terrorist attack. Bush and the TP had NOTHING to do with him not attending security briefings or parsing words on “acts of terror.” Bush and the TP had NOTHING to do with him going to sleep while America was under attack or putting a fundraiser ahead of the daily security briefing. Bush and the TP had NOTHING to do with the clearly political line the admin was pushing about a “mob.” Nothing.
We are dealing with what is before us TODAY. Not four years ago or even 11 years ago. Today.
Intellectual honesty runs in ALL directions, or at least it should.
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
11:56 am
I’ve followed this story closely, and I’m still not sure why the rest of us are supposed to be as outraged as Republicans want us to be. After all, whether or not the attack was inspired by the video is irrelevant…
Interested Observer–I can’t say that I’m “outraged” by the Obama Admin’s handling of this incident, but I am bothered for a few reasons. First and foremost, I think that we deserve basic honesty from our leadership. Unless there is some overriding national security concern in play, then we are entitled to hear the facts straight up. When there are security concerns, withholding information until a later date is acceptable, but not straight-up lying. Secondly, I was offended by the Obama Admin’s kowtowing to the radical Islamists via their “sympathy” for their poor, hurt little feelings that someone dared make a video which is critical/disrespectful to Mohammed. As Romney emphasized the other night, Muslims world-wide need to grow up and join the 21st century with the rest of the world, a world which includes freedom of speech and equal rights for all people.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
11:57 am
Kyle.
Are you saying the CIA lied while they had operations to get the terrorists?
Really?
You cons are not the brightest Americans are you?
RW-(the original)
October 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Is somebody using the name Darwin really complaining about changes? The mind boggles….
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“This is a fairly volatile situation, and it is in response not to United States policy, obviously not to the administration, not to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting — that in no way justifies any violent reaction to it.”–Jay Carney’s White House press briefing 9/14/12
iggy
October 24th, 2012
11:58 am
This comes as no surprise. Obama, Biden and Clinton are born liars.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
11:59 am
Finn,
Over three hundred million Americans if they are dumb enough to elect him.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:00 pm
Psst, classified .
JDW
October 24th, 2012
12:01 pm
Back in the real world, where adults live…
There was a variety of information coming in,” White House press secretary Jay Carney said Wednesday on Air Force One. “The whole point of an intelligence community and what they do is to assess strands of information and make judgements about what happened and who was responsible.”
“This is an open source, unclassified email about a posting on a Facebook site,” Carney said. “I would also note that within a few hours the organization itself claimed that it had not been responsible. Neither should be taken as fact. That is why there is an investigation.”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:01 pm
“If you have unrealistic expectations and think the main point of our intelligence gathering is informing YOU and the media of what’s going on, that’s some breathtaking arrogance.”
And Aquagirl, if YOU think that an administration should be stonewalling the people it serves when four Americans are killed, it is breathtaking stupidity and ignorance of the principles this country was founded on.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
12:01 pm
If you were able to vote for W in 2004 after 3,000 American CIVILIANS died – on our soil – then just shut up already.
K? Thanks
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:03 pm
Pizzaman @ 11:47: I thought you were questioning where Reuters got the emails. I see what you’re saying now. But the Reuters story explains that these emails were sent from the State Department’s Operations Center.
I (obviously) see this story differently. It appears to me that, about a week after holding a DNC with themed in large part on Biden’s football-spiking “GM is alive and bin Laden is dead” line, there was a terrorist attack on our people in Benghazi. Because “bin Laden is dead” implies that al-Qaida is also mortally wounded (and Obama and his administration/campaign officials make that point pretty explicitly at times), such an attack by al-Qaida affiliates — on a consulate in a country where we intervened militarily, and on the anniversary of 9/11 no less — would be pretty damaging to that narrative of foreign-policy success. Would it not?
And so it appears the White House tried to pin as much of the blame as possible on the video. Yet that story is continually unraveling, and I think it’s perfectly appropriate for voters to take that into account.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:04 pm
They have operations to find these terrorists.
Loose lips out CIA buildings and agents..
Hush.
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
What I’d say about Obama’s domestic and Middle East policies is that, given the messes and political constraints he inherited in both arenas, he did about as well as anyone could.
getalife–I hope you caught Ryan’s statement regarding a Romney/Ryan administration:
“The commitment Mitt Romney and I make to you is this:
We won’t duck the tough issues…we will lead!
We won’t blame others…we will take responsibility!”
So we have a choice to make in 2 weeks: 4 more years of blaming, back-pedaling and finger-pointing, or 4 new years of solving problems and getting things done. Your choice.
JackThrock
October 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
pizzaman:
It took the Bush administration about 8 seconds to confirm it was bin laden and al qaida after the second plane hit the world trade center.
Why did it take the Obama administration two weeks to finally call this a terrorist act, especially in light of these emails?
As for questioning their authenticity, I don’t understand the basis of your reasoning that they may be fabricated. Are you suggesting the Reuters might have been duped in writing this story?
Oblama
October 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
ObamaGate = The Buck stops where? Not with Obama but with their scapegoat Hillary Clinton! Obama is letting Hillary take the fall but it isn’t going to work. We know Obama is responsible for these lies and cover ups and he is following the advice of Nanny Pelosi and Hairy Weed way to much for his future political health. Non truths – half truths – and out right lies…… that’s the Obama Plan for America.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
Kyle,
It was not aq, you are wrong.
MANGLER
October 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
So whatever I post on my Facebook or Twitter account needs to be taken at face value immidiately by the White House like it seems to be by reporters? #romneyeatsbabies#ryanisprorape#areyouserious
Speaking of which, waiting for the Donald’s twitter release that will sink Obama
#yourfiredyoufatnewyorkwingnut
JDW
October 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
@RW…you do realize that your quote is in relation to the demonstrations accross the Middle East not Libya…don’t you?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
Maybe Biden needs to out a CIA agent to protect his boss?
Cons like them apples.
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
Every Lib that criticized Romney for ‘politicizing’ this situation owes the Mittster an apology. Take a cue from Obama and apologize about a foreign policy issue.You can’t politicize the deaths of Americans any more than lying about the cause to keep from making your foreign policy look like the failure it is.
Matz
October 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
Tiberius: “Matz, Bush isn’t on the ballot. Obama is.”
Thank you for that keen observation, Captain Obvious. My post was not about the President, past or present. It was about the arrogance and double standards of ignorant, entitlement-minded average schmoes. Thanks for helping make my point.
In our government and military organizations, we have a little thing called “security clearance,” mmmm-kay? We have no idea why Ambassador Stevens was really even IN Benghazi on that day — more than 400 miles (by air, 600 on the ground) from the security of the Embassy in Tripoli in the first place. It’s likely we never will. Do you think President Mittens would make it his priority to tell you things you have no clearance to hear? Bless your heart.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
Brono,
They will be gone in two weeks so I don’t care what they say.
curious
October 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
I’d bet any E-Mail to or from the White House situation room from the State Department Operations center would be classified at a minimum at the “secret” level.
If someone leaked them, they are a risk to National security and need to be jailed.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
You know what the biggest difference between you libs and us cons are? If I mess up, I’ll say. my bad and will make every effort to not let it happen again. You libs refuse to say you MESSED-UP! Yes, service in foreign lands are dangerous and Americans who choose to be there take certain risks. But for god’s sake, don’t cover it up when you event does occur. As Herman Cain says daily, “we are not stupid”! Places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, where troops are ordered to go, we know there is danger there and we accept that fact. I am sick of you libs refusing to be transparent and always twisting the facts, attempting to cover your behinds. Remember what Obama said in 2008, “when you don’t have a record to run on, you should always attack your opponents positions”.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
Aquagirl @ 11:55: That cuts both ways. If the situation was so unclear that the administration needed time to sort through, why didn’t its spokespeople just say that? Why did they suggest any theories at all? And why did the president feel it was necessary to say Romney “shoots first and aims later” if he knew his own spokespeople were talking about theories but that more investigation was needed? From a political perspective, that’s a big part of this, too.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:08 pm
President Carter negotiated a cease fire in Syria.
What is w doing?
RW-(the original)
October 24th, 2012
12:09 pm
spin away JDW, spin away
Repro
October 24th, 2012
12:12 pm
To all the cons who are so hot and bothered that the White House lied, have you forgotten that the biggest lie of all was the one about WMD’s in Iraq by the former administration which cost 5000 American lives and 100,000+ Iraqi lives?
We paid for that dearly, whereas this was after the fact.
Oblama
October 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
Obama is the best class action lawsuit community organizer that money can buy. . if a lawyer’s lips are moving – you know the rest. Own up to your responsibility Obama. Be a man. Your “advisers” and “handlers” can’t get you out of this one. Man up and admit your poor judgement got people killed. This is your “Black Hawk Down” . This is your failure…….. don’t try to pin it on Hillary Clinton.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
getalife @ 12:06: I said it’s an AQ affiliate. And it is.
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
if YOU think that an administration should be stonewalling the people it serves when four Americans are killed, it is breathtaking stupidity and ignorance of the principles this country was founded on.
I was unaware our country was founded on the principles of Keeping Tiberius Up To Date So He Sounds Cooler Posting On Kyle’s Blog.
I thought it was something like forming a more perfect union and other minor stuff. Do point out where providing for the common defense means “giving Tiberius our intelligence in real time ’cause he feels entitled, and he’ll cry if he doesn’t feel like he’s right there in the War on Terror.”
My mistake.
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
12:14 pm
There was a variety of information coming in,” White House press secretary Jay Carney said Wednesday on Air Force One. “The whole point of an intelligence community and what they do is to assess strands of information and make judgements about what happened and who was responsible.”
JDW–Even if the offensive video did play a significant role in sparking a protest in the Middle East, do you support the Obama/Clinton strategy of apologizing for its existence?? Do you support the harassment the filmmaker has had to endure since?? From what I remember from Kyle’s thread following the attack, you were in full support of apologizing.
Personally, I believe in freedom of speech, and see no reason to apologize for differing points of view, however offensive they may be. In this regard, I think our President should stand strong, and be an example for the rest of the world.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:14 pm
cons want to get our President instead of the terrorists.
This is called terrorist sympathizers and mitt did not even bring it up in the debate so he would not be a terrorist sympathizer.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:16 pm
Kyle,
“AQ affiliate. And it is.”
It was a local militia that we helped kill daffy and be free. Why would they attack us Kyle ?
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
BTW, Kyle, good job in your video debate with the Evil One on the last thread. You project a very calm, reasoned demeanor while on camera. Maybe some of the folks on CNN will take note and invite you on some of their shows.
Oblama
October 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
We need a President that can man up when he screws up. We don’t need this “Reality Show” President. Spending time with Oprah and on “The View” is not time spent correcting the failed economic Obama Plan. Get off the golf course an
Hillbilly D
October 24th, 2012
12:18 pm
So why blame a video for two weeks?
That’s an excellent question and one I haven’t heard a satisfactory answer to. To think that a spontaneous demonstration would come complete with RPG’s, knowledge of the whereabouts of a safe house, etc., is a flight of fancy, in my opinion. As many of us said the first day, it was obvious that this was a well planned attack, that had been in the works for a while and the fact it came on 9/11 was no coincidence. It’s just common sense that all our installations, around the world, should always be on high alert come September 11.
DownInAlbany
October 24th, 2012
12:18 pm
Repro
October 24th, 2012
12:12 pm
To all the cons who are so hot and bothered that the White House lied, have you forgotten that the biggest lie of all was the one about WMD’s in Iraq by the former administration which cost 5000 American lives and 100,000+ Iraqi lives?
We paid for that dearly, whereas this was after the fact.
In the liberal world, two wrongs always make a right…
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
Mitt handed Obama his ass in the debate on being a terrorist sympathizer. Between the apology tour, ignoring Israel for the last 4 years, banning the word Islamic Extremist and his reluctance to specifically call out terrorist acts. he has shown clearly that he is sympathetic to the Muslims. It is the way he was raised by his mother and grandparents. Read his books sometime.
AtlSteve
October 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
Tiberus @ 11:14
We do have a previous terrorist incident. It happened 11/05/09 at Fort Hood, TX.
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
We didn’t free anybody when we killed Gaddafi. We just opened the door for the Islamic Extremists to take over. Thanks Mr President.
hsn
October 24th, 2012
12:22 pm
Oblama :
October 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
We need a President that can man up when he screws up. … Get off the golf course …
====================================================================
Lol… Was that why you voted twice for GW Bush?
He surely “manned” up when he screwed up and stayed off the golf course?
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:22 pm
Lets use a little common sense folks.
A local militia that we helped kill daddy and be free were heard chanting before that attack and told eyewitnesses they attacked because of the movie. The embassies in the ME were under attack because of the movie.
Kyle said they are aq. Do you believe Kyle and the cons or the eyewitnesses?
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:23 pm
WMD wasn’t a con lie. Most of the intel throughout the world agreed and many Libs were on board as well. Try again.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
12:24 pm
Here is your October surprise. Mitt is a dang dog!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/24/the-gloria-allred-october-surprise/
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:25 pm
getalife has no credibility whatsoever, he is still holding on to the video excuse. Even Jay has let that one go. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:25 pm
“If someone leaked them, they are a risk to National security and need to be jailed.”
Yeah, ’cause all whistleblowers should, you know, be jailed and such.
In case you missed it, curious, we live in the USA, not North Korea.
It is simply amazing the depths to which this nation’s citizens have descended when they can defend a blatant attempt at lying to the American people.
DownInAlbany
October 24th, 2012
12:26 pm
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:22 pm
Lets use a little common sense folks.
A local militia that we helped kill daddy and be free were heard chanting before that attack and told eyewitnesses they attacked because of the movie. The embassies in the ME were under attack because of the movie.
Kyle said they are aq. Do you believe Kyle and the cons or the eyewitnesses?
It matters not to me…pre-planned terrorist attack, a movie or constipation. The fact is, the administration had knowledge, lied about it and continue to lie to this day. Who gives a double-darn about why? Deflect, deflect, deflect…
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
12:26 pm
Kyle Wingfield @ 11:31 am
The absurdity YOU, Kyle, are floating here, is that someone claiming responsibility is evidence of that responsibility. Have I written that no one read the email update? Do not put words in my mouth to cover up the preposterous absurdity of your article.
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Why did they suggest any theories at all?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…I don’t care. Maybe that was to shut the reporters up. Maybe that was the initial report provided because human intelligence is like that. Maybe they were deliberately lying and we slaughtered a bunch of terrorists while they giggled at our inept ways.
Seriously, making political hay out of this is gross and demonstrates the hypocrisy and arrogance of some folks.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Could it be just another failed attempt to discredit a accomplishment like freeing Libya and beating aq?
I think so.
cons are shameless.
lefty_316
October 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Meanwhile this nutcase from Indiana, Senate candidate Mourdork, says that pregnancy as a result of rape is “God’s intent.”
Once again I’m reminded of why I’m no longer a republican. And please do note that the Constiution is very clear on this: take your religious beliefs and stick them in your backside.
DownInAlbany
October 24th, 2012
12:30 pm
cons are shameless
But, Obama can jet off to NV for a fund-raiser while 4 AMERICANS lie dead in Libya? That would be the definition of shameless.
Interested Observer
October 24th, 2012
12:30 pm
Kyle @12:08: “If the situation was so unclear that the administration needed time to sort through, why didn’t its spokespeople just say that?”
They did say that. Here is part of Susan Rice’s interview on Meet the Press (emphasis mine)…
“Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have AT PRESENT. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation WHICH IS ONGOING. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us TODAY our CURRENT assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we THINK then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment NOW. WE’LL AWAIT THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION. And the president has been very clear–we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.”
xxx
October 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
Bojangles lied and the partisan hacks refuse to get off their knees, wipe their chins and accept this truth regardless of how many facts support it.
JD in Marietta
October 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
Would love to hear Jay Bookman’s long list of excuses of why this story isn’t relevant… Instead we hear crickets from the AJC’s favorite liberal..
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
12:32 pm
Kyle Wingfield @12:08 pm
“If the situation was so unclear that the administration needed time to sort through, why didn’t its spokespeople just say that?”
Meet the Press, September 16
MS. RICE: “Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information …… Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation.”
Can’t you listen or read, Kyle?
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
12:33 pm
Because, with everything else the Republican base has swallowed during the Trump/Palin/Bachman/Cain primary season, why not test their Outer Limits?
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:33 pm
Yeah, they will tell you who did it while the CIA and special forces are trying to get them.
The CIA tells the truth.
Really con?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:33 pm
“opportunistic extremist elements”
The new word for “terrorists”.
Yeah, let’s call them anything else BUT . . .
Joe The Plumber Too
October 24th, 2012
12:34 pm
barry and me-shell better start packing. Less than two weeks until eviction proceedings start for the Liar in Chief and his ol’ lady.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:34 pm
There is another Time magazine report by a guard that was there and he said it was the movie.
cah
October 24th, 2012
12:36 pm
cc, your comment is on point. I’m wondering what the 4 victims grieving families are thinking now…..
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
Our military can respond within minutes…….with literal HellFire……. if some Taliban warlord threatens an opium field somewhere in Afghan or Pakistan that American soldiers are currently guarding.
.
Likewise…….we Fired the missile that stopped libya’s duly elected President’s convoy which enabled a mob to beat him to death.
.
But we couldn’t save those four guys over 8 hours?
.
Typical Washington crap.
JDW
October 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
@RW…”spin away JDW, spin away”
You opinions are your own, however facts are facts…
Joe The Plumber Too
October 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
getalife…you boy is done, four and out, a bigger loser than peanuts carter. The only bad thing is we may never get a chance to have another Black President because this idiot has screwed it up so bad.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
Thomas,
They were in a safe room and yes the drone watching could have fired a missile to kill our people.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
Thomas @ 12:37: Perhaps you’ve read this. Or perhaps you’d like to. It raises some of the same questions you did.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
joe,
mitt will be gone soon.
No worries.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
12:40 pm
“If I mess up, I’ll say. my bad and will make every effort to not let it happen again.”
And here I thought you just had a wide stance…
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:40 pm
This is an absolute loser for the Libs and their Messiah. It is rather fun to watch them lie, deflect and obfuscate. Guess they learned from the best.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:41 pm
You and your ilk owe our President an apology Kyle.
mitt was smart enough to stop but you just had to get our President didn’t you?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:42 pm
Help was nearby.
Too bad the only person that could authorize it was sleeping at the time.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
12:42 pm
“…don’t cover it up when you event does occur. As Herman Cain says…”
All those women are lying.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
After all, one needs one’s beauty sleep in order to look good for the minions in Las Vegas . . .
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
MarkV @ 12:32: Yep, that’s what she said — immediately after she said this at the beginning of the interview:
GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?
MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that– what has happened is condemnable, but this is a– a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
GREGORY: All right.
MS. RICE: …attacked our facility in Benghazi.
Emphasis added. I won’t bother asking about your hearing or reading abilities.
Joe The Plumber Too
October 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
getalife, can’t wait to see your lack of posts November 7th. I’m sure you will be dismantling your urkle alter……..but just think you’ll have a fresh four years to post your snide comments about how the Republicans stole the election……………
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
Karen Braun, mother of 2 Marines, on Twitter: ‘Amb Stevens would have loved a horse or a bayonette or Marine with either,’ How can you vote for a man that doesn’t protect Americans and then lies about it? It is very important.
Bob
October 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
JDW, we were told that a demonstration turned into mob action. Video clearly shows that no demonstration had occurred. You can believe that story if you want but save yourself some time by trying to get people to defend that lie.
waterstim
October 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
Maybe you should ask Jay Bookman. He seems to have all the rationalizations.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
12:44 pm
“…lie, deflect and obfuscate. Guess they learned from the best.”
Because “nobody expected those levees to fail”…
RW-(the original)
October 24th, 2012
12:45 pm
however facts are facts
Why yes I see it all clearly now. 3 days after our Consulate is sacked and four Americna are brutally murdered the White House press corps is only discussing the other events with the Mouthpiece-in-Chief.
You lib parrots really crack me up
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:45 pm
joey,
If mitt wins I will be organizing for a total collapse and will not be posting.
I don’t expect a different result from the gop.
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 24th, 2012
12:46 pm
Obama owes Amb Stevens, several Marines and a whole country an apology for the way HIS Administration has handled this. I know he knows how to apologize because I saw him do it to his Muslim buddies continually throughout his Presidency.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:47 pm
It was also lovely of you, MarkV @ 12:32, to put an ellipsis in place of these words Rice spoke:
“But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation.”
Emphasis to denote the 95 words you left out with your ellipsis.
cc
October 24th, 2012
12:47 pm
“cons want to get our President instead of the terrorists.”
You always deal with the most immediate threat to national security first.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:48 pm
cc,
Thanks for proving my point terrorist lover.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:48 pm
Kyle, don’t try to confuse MarkV with the totality of any argument.
He’s stuck on bumper sticker-sized sound bites.
Joe The Plumber Too
October 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
Gotta run and make a little more money to put away. Man the knapsack is getting full, can’t wait until Jan. 21 so I can start investing again. Fellow Republicans, don’t damage the little libs too bad, we need some left to wait our tables next year.
hsn
October 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
12:32 pm
Kyle Wingfield @12:08 pm
“If the situation was so unclear that the administration needed time to sort through, why didn’t its spokespeople just say that?”
Meet the Press, September 16
MS. RICE: “Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information …… Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation.”
Can’t you listen or read, Kyle?
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Mark,
Why waste your time on a foolish hitpiece aimed at politicizing a tragic event and furthering the GOP’s disgraceful agenda?
Kyle and his ilk are the same people who never uttered a word when a war based on LIES in Iraq, killed 4000 members of our troops, and about 100,000 Iraqis. But hey, no problem. Their answer is “Bush is not in office anymore.” That ought to make everything “great” now.
In past years, when Americans have been killed in our embassies overseas under Reagan and Bush, the Democrats rallied around the Republicans Presidents in national solidarity to ensure it doesn’t happen again. However,under a Dem Prez, the Republicans can’t muster the decency to return the same patriotic gesture they received from the Dems under similar circumstances.
Instead, they can’t stop themselves from salivating in attacking the President. Had the shoe been on the other foot, these SAME critics will be calling the Dems “Anti-American” for criticizing a “War-Time” president.
Kyle Wingfield is not only a hack partisan Republican cheerleader, he is a complete fool masquerading as an “objective journalist.”
Now, go ahead and ban me, Kyle.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:50 pm
cc @ 12:47?
Best response of the WEEK!
JDW
October 24th, 2012
12:50 pm
@Bruno…I don’t recall Obama apologizing for the video. What he actually said was “The U.S. rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others” and yes I agree with that.
As for the harassment of the filmmaker…not sure what you are referring to…it seems he had some legal issues of his own already and they should be pursued. If private parties have harassed him they should not, however it seems that one should expect it in such cases.
As for what I said then…it was:
“There is nothing the matter with saying I condemn those words however I have to support their right to utter them. Is should be clear that the abuse is distasteful and not supported.”
Yes that is what I believe.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:51 pm
hsn @ 12:49: I’m not an objective journalist. I’m an opinion writer. And I don’t ban people for expressing their opinions.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
12:52 pm
“Our military can respond within minutes…….with literal HellFire……. if some Taliban warlord threatens an opium field somewhere in Afghan or Pakistan that American soldiers are currently guarding.”
Like we did on 9/11…
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:53 pm
Reel murkins loving them some tuurists yo git Obama.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 24th, 2012
12:53 pm
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
Thomas @ 12:37: Perhaps you’ve read this. Or perhaps you’d like to. It raises some of the same questions you did.
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Ron Paul and ou forfathers tried to warn you people.
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Considering 9-11…….it makes no difference what wing of the R&D Washigton party is involved.
Revenge is cold comfort for the dead.
.
Peaceful free trade with all……..tangling alliances with none.
One day…….as you are eating out of a trashcan or bleeding out in a fox-hole…….you Neo-Cons will understand.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
12:54 pm
“After all, one needs one’s beauty sleep in order to look good for the minions in Las Vegas . . .”
Then Sheldon Adelson desperately needs some sleep…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:54 pm
“In past years, when Americans have been killed in our embassies overseas under Reagan and Bush, the Democrats rallied around the Republicans Presidents in national solidarity to ensure it doesn’t happen again. However,under a Dem Prez, the Republicans can’t muster the decency to return the same patriotic gesture they received from the Dems under similar circumstances. ”
Big difference, hsn, is that previous administrations didn’t try to lie about the attacks and cover up their incompetence.
THIS one did.
And got caught.
Hillbilly D
October 24th, 2012
12:56 pm
Like we did on 9/11…
They didn’t get there in time but they did at least send the fighter jets after them.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
Actually. our President said “terrorist attack” and mentioned the movie the next day.
Read the transcript.
You got nothing but unpatriotic bs.
Interested Observer
October 24th, 2012
12:58 pm
Republicans were first outraged that President Obama didn’t refer to the attack as a terrorist act…but they were wrong. He did.
Then Republicans were outraged that he ever referred to this terrorist attack as a response to the video…but they wrong. Intelligence are still suggesting that the attack might have been organized and instigated as a response to the video (see my previous comments with links).
Then Republicans were outraged that administration officials, such as Susan Rice, acted as though the information they were reporting was definitive, when it wasn’t…but they were wrong. Susan Rice, for example, qualified her statements to indicate that the information was incomplete and that the investigation was ongoing (see my previous comment with transcript).
So, since we know that the Benghazi-related information that Republicans and their media representatives are reporting is actually misinformation, what am I supposed to be outraged about now?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
12:58 pm
“Actually. our President said “terrorist attack” ”
No, he said “acts of terror” in the abstract, NOT in the specific.
Read the transcript.
cc
October 24th, 2012
12:59 pm
cah@12:36 pm:
“I’m wondering what the 4 victims grieving families are thinking now…..”
Their grief is certainly not diminished by their seeing their loved ones deaths downgraded from “victims” to “a bump in the road and finally to their death being “not optimal”.
In the rush for re-election and the maintaining of power, their service to our country and their deaths must be minimized by Obama and his appointed liars. It is truly a sad day for America.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 24th, 2012
1:01 pm
Bill Clinton warned us in 2008 about Obama, when he said something to the effect, that this Obama stuff is just one big fairy tale. Wish the Obama voters had listened.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:02 pm
Same thing.
You lose.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:03 pm
I loved the look on mitt’s face when he know he just got caught in another lie.
Interested Observer
October 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
Tiberius,
The entire speech was about the Benghazi attack…IN THE SPECIFIC
“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
Anyone have any idea what Donald Trump’s big game-changer announcement tonite is? Only serious replies, no idiotic response from you, getalife. I did see your post(getalife) where you said no further postings by you if Romney wins. We will miss you, I hope(and Change too)!
cc
October 24th, 2012
1:04 pm
Tiberius:
“Best response of the WEEK!”
Thanks! It isn’t what I really wanted to say . . . but then Kyle would have to punish me!
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:05 pm
cnn is looping the rape comment.
There goes the women vote.
mitt will not even pull the ad endorsing the con.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:06 pm
“I’m wondering what the 4 victims grieving families are thinking now…..”
I wonder what the 3,000 9/11 victims families are thinking now? Who are they voting for?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
1:06 pm
“The entire speech was about the Benghazi attack…IN THE SPECIFIC”
Nope. Read the transcript.
Then break out a dictionary.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:07 pm
The Donald has already published his October surprise. Turn off the Fox News and pay attention.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
1:08 pm
Tom, I’m with Kyle on the Donald Trump / Gloria Allred publicity hound thing.
Could not care less.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:08 pm
“I wonder what the 3,000 9/11 victims families are thinking now? Who are they voting for?”
The man that gave them closure and justice.
President Obama.
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
1:08 pm
It was also lovely of you, MarkV @ 12:32, to put an ellipsis in place of these words Rice spoke:
Kyle–To anyone but the most obstinate Obama supporters, it’s clear that the Obama Administration misled the public, whether intentionally or unintentionally, about the nature of the Libyan attack.
Rather than simply setting the public record straight, could you put the whole event into a larger perspective?? Is this a minor incident to be brushed away as several of the Libs here have suggested, or do you see these misstatements as having any long-term significance?? In other words, will anyone be talking about this 2 or 3 years from now??
MrLiberty
October 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
So why do Bush, Cheney, and most especially the idiot Gulianni continue to claim that “they hate us because we are free?” Ron Paul clearly smacked Guliani down over that one, the 9-11 commission report made it very clear that it is our foreign policy that the arabs and others hate, not america itself or our freedom, so why do NEOCONS continue to perpetuate the lie???
It is because, just like Obama, THEY are responsible for laying the foundation for the BLOWBACK and they are so morally bankrupt – just like Obama – that they cannot tell the truth.
It is better that thousands more continue to die for a lie than admit that our foreign policy of the past 60 years has been a complete and total failure. That would require them to admit that it must be changed, and the puppetmasters that pull their strings would suddenly see all of their blood money dry up. Remember, peace is not profitable – for those who profit from war.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
1:10 pm
” In other words, will anyone be talking about this 2 or 3 years from now??”
Only in the context of determining how we got a President Romney in 2012, Bruno.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
I did not know mitt testified under oath in a court case.
What was the case about?
Del
October 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
One area that the White House does have credibility concerning Benghazi and that’s its under investigation. Of course it’s not the White House directing the investigation. External sources are investigating and that investigation is showing the Obama administration and the State Department to be bold faced liars.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Bruno,
That is a lie.
He used both.
Read the transcript.
BW
October 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
Kyle
Sorry man…this won’t be an October surprise nor is it a conspiracy but just keep on trying to make it one….maybe you can pull a Trump and offer $5M to charity for full disclosure
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
When the reports show it was the movie, I think Kyle should write an apology to our President.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
It was an obvious cover up and it is intellectually dishonest to try and parse every word to find some defense for all the lies. It actually started with the Little Rock shooting of soldiers at the recruiting station, Obama/Witholder conspired to say this was not an act of terror. Then we had Ft Hood and Allah Akbar Hassan shooting and killing multiple American service men and women. Again Obama/Witholder defied common sense and labeled this as work place violence, rather than another terrorist attack. Even when emails showed that Hassan had been in touch with the Mullah Looneytunes in Yemin. So, why not continue the charade of we have had no terrorist attacks on America, during the Obama regime, it worked before, the press bought it.
It is actually no different than Watergate, except this is more serious. I can still hear Sen Ervin asking, what did the President know, and when did he know it? We need Sen Ervin today to expose this fiasco. Eventually a whistle blower is going to come out and explain why they tried to dupe us, but it will be after the election. So, if Obama wins, then we can have impeachment talk once again in America. Hopefully, we will impeach him on 6 Nov.
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
I don’t recall Obama apologizing for the video. What he actually said was “The U.S. rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others” and yes I agree with that.
I think a much stronger, more effective response would have been to emphasize that we support freedom of speech, however offensive that speech may come across. By sympathizing with the protestors, I think Obama sent a mixed message at best, a weak message at worst.
As for the harassment of the filmmaker…not sure what you are referring to…it seems he had some legal issues of his own already and they should be pursued. If private parties have harassed him they should not, however it seems that one should expect it in such cases.
Kind of coincidental that his prior legal issues only became important after the Obama Admin began blaming him for the ME protests. Last I heard, the guy was being held without bail.
JDW
October 24th, 2012
1:19 pm
@Rafe…”It is actually no different than Watergate, except this is more serious. ”
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
getalife@1:15 – You seriously need some help bad. Or better yet, you probably should run for political office as your fav(Democrat). The movie theory is ridiculous. Those Muslim fools should go straight to hades, if that is what a video encourages them to do! Most of you libs need to be living in the same country as those fools.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
Bruno @ 1:08: “will anyone be talking about this 2 or 3 years from now??”
If we are, it will be in terms of one of the first, clearest, most lethal signs that al-Qaida and its affiliates didn’t die when bin Laden did — and that the Obama administration had exaggerated its success in “decimating” them. But that, of course, depends on what happens over the next 2-3 years …
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:23 pm
getalife, they are looking into whether ?Mittens lied under oath.
The case was his good friend’s divorce. Mitt said Staples wasn’t worth much in order to limit his friend’s payout to his wife.
That’s all.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:24 pm
Who claimed aq died with obl Kyle?
You did.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
Actually, Kyle, AQ was decimated by the end of W’s reign of terror, errr, I mean W’s administration..
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
Thanks Finn.
Just wondering.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
Perhaps Kyle should listen to our President.
The war on terror never ends.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:29 pm
Tom,
I will go with the eyewitnesses instead of unpatriotic Americans focused on getting our President and not the terrorists.
Thanks.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
Finn@1:07 – Fox News is very informative, #1 in ratings every year. Having beautiful blondes on, does not seem to hurt either. But I also watch CNN to get a differing perspective at times. Also watch Bill Maher occasionally(don’t really know why though), I guess to see the long-nosed fool and his lib audience, acting like turds.Perhaps you should watch something besides CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and Rachel Madcow.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Al-Qaida will only give us REAL trouble if and/or when the CIA reneges on their individual pension plans.
.
I think at present.thery’re considered G-11s or something.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
1:31 pm
Fox News is very informative for gop lies.
Ronald Nussbeck
October 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
Obama must resign, shameful deriliction of duty and out right lying to the American public, this is not the first time Obama has resorted to Serial lying. We are a Nation of laws and when the President breaks the law like in Fast and Furious he must be charged or he becomes a Dictator not our President.
Del
October 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
Perhaps Kyle should listen to our President.
Get, as the facts keep coming out on Benghazi and the loss of American life due to a less than competent as well as truthful administration, its doubtful many will listening to the president much longer.
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
1:32 pm
K-17:”Lies, lies and more lies. Does it ever stop?”
Precisely. When will the shameless right, Kyle included, quit lying for political gain. This has never been anything more than a desperate GOP trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to try to salvage Romney’s failing candidacy. You’ve been lying since January 21st 2009. How unpatriotic!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 24th, 2012
1:34 pm
JDW
Nixon lied about a politically inspired burglary, it was all the lying that forced him to resign.
Obama lied about why 4 diplomatic personnel died. We also do not know why no help came, and why security was not beefed up after multiple requests. Why you can’t see that this is more serious, amazes me, but then again, knowing your loyalty to the Mistake, maybe not.
This one is going to be around for awhile. There will be hearings for a longtime, much like the Watergate hearings and if the Congress can find a John Dean in the Obama regime, well follow the script.
John Dean report for duty!
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
The unhinged right: bearing false witness for the GOP since 2009. If one of your nuts ever succeeds in assassinating Obama the blod will be on all your lying hands.
nclee
October 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
Let’s take politics out of the election: Four US patriots were murdered in Benghazi. Let’s say that Obama called the action a terrorist attack the next day. Why did it take so long for Obama’s administration (Obama included) to say that it was a terrorist attack and not based on the anti Muslim video? Susan Rice, Jay Carney, Obama, etc. told us all (US citizens) that the attack was based on the anti Muslim video. The fact is that our President and his administration lied to us to cover up their failure to protect our Ambassador Chris Steven even when requests were denied to beef up security and all signs showed that this was an almost forgone conclusion. How can anyone trust someone (a leader) who is going to lie to us? This should be considered a criminal action. This was worse than any other presidential administration foible.
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
1:37 pm
blood
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
1:40 pm
“Let’s take politics out of the election”
Dumbest post or the decade.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:40 pm
With two weeks to go, let’s see what the betting line in Vegas is like for winning the White House….
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner
Romney is still the underdog by a 1.5-1 to around a 2-1 margin. How lovely.
Matz
October 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
“I’m not an objective journalist. I’m an opinion writer.”
There are no truly “objective” journalists, because there are no truly objective people. The information each person receives is colored by his or her own personal filters: experience, prejudice, desires, ambitions, etc. The information one shares with others is also colored by these filters.
What we have, instead, are varying degrees to which people endeavor to support their opinions with FACTS when sharing them with others. This variation in the population (as within the journalism community) is broad.
Facts exist independently of how one thinks or feels about them, or whether they’re even known, but most people have no problem sharing opinions with OR without them. Just sayin’.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:46 pm
Romney’s latest debate myths:
17)“I would tighten those sanctions. I would say that ships that carry Iranian oil, can’t come into our ports. I imagine the E.U. would agree with us as well.”
Iranian oil has not come into the United States since Ronald Reagan signed an executive order in 1987 banning all U.S. imports from Iran.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:47 pm
Romney’s latest debate myths:
23) “I was in a state where my legislature was 87 percent Democrat. I learned how to get along on the other side of the aisle.”
Given Romney’s 844 vetoes as governor, Massachusetts legislators dispute this claim. As the New York Times has noted, “The big-ticket items that Mr. Romney proposed when he entered office in January 2003 went largely unrealized, and some that were achieved turned out to have a comparatively minor impact.”
~ThinkProgress
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
Just a thought here- If they both end up tied at 269 Electoral votes a piece, then the House selects the President and the Senate selects the VP. A Romney/Biden ticket could be fun for 4 years?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Tom, keep dreaming.
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
1:51 pm
There are no truly “objective” journalists, because there are no truly objective people. The information each person receives is colored by his or her own personal filters: experience, prejudice, desires, ambitions, etc. The information one shares with others is also colored by these filters.
If what you say is true, Matz, and I believe it is, why do so many of your Lib cohorts have trouble admitting that the media as a whole has a liberal bias?? When 90% + of the media votes Democrat, is it such a stretch to believe in a natural bias??
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
1:51 pm
More Romney debate myths:
10) “So I’d get rid of [Obamacare] from day one. To the extent humanly possible, we get that out.”
Romney cannot unilaterally eliminate a bill passed by Congress and his plan to grant states waivers may also be a non-starter.
~ThinkProgress
Mike Towers
October 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
The White House and Obama and Carney and Clinton and Rice made up a story. Al Quida is in 30 countries. Obama has bragged that Al Quida is dead. Obama told us Osama is dead. There is a cover-up going on. Obama wants to be re-elected. This attack would undermine his re-election. Obama did nothing. He let 4 people die. Two of the people died in the latter hours of a 7 hour attack. There were multiple requests for security. Obama is in denial so that his construction of reality does not take a hit. Obama’s story was that A Quida was dead. He created an artificial reality. Obama cannot even bring himself to talk about terrorism. In his world there is no terrorism. He lives in an alternate world created through his own delusions and ideology. He killed Osama, therefore there is no more terrorism.
Matz
October 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
Bruno @ 1:51,
That’s a good question. I believe I have a better question, though:
Why do some people continue squawking about “liberal” media bias, despite massive quantities of, and such broad variations in, what is currently considered “media,” citing a statistic they have absolutely no possible way of knowing, let alone validating?
DawgDad
October 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
Hillary Clinton stood in front of the victims’ coffins at the memorial service and lied to the world about the incident. Susan Rice lied to the world. Obama lied to the world. These people don’t respresent me.
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
“Obama told us Osama is dead”
Bald-faced lie, sir.
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
2:01 pm
“Hillary Clinton stood in front of the victims’ coffins at the memorial service and lied to the world about the incident. Susan Rice lied to the world. Obama lied to the world. These people don’t respresent me.”
Bear false witness much?
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
My post was not about the President, past or present. It was about the arrogance and double standards of ignorant, entitlement-minded average schmoes. Thanks for helping make my point.
BTW, Matz, what happened to your “We’re all in this thing together” sentiment you laid on me a few weeks ago??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n45ZFgNyF9o
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
“Obama’s story was that A Quida was dead.”
This is a bald faced lie. Obama saying Osama was dead is in fact the truth.
antinewt
October 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
As lies go, this has been a good one because, like the bunny, it just keeps going.
Matz
October 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
Bruno,
Nice pivot. As to your question about my sentiment, let’s just say I was “corrected.”
Bruno
October 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
Why do some people continue squawking about “liberal” media bias, despite massive quantities of, and such broad variations in, what is currently considered “media,” citing a statistic they have absolutely no possible way of knowing, let alone validating?
Surely you, as a journalism major, understand the power of the press. Perhaps you can then understand the frustration that those of us on the Right side of the aisle feel when the mainstream media throws away all pretense of being politically neutral around election time. In plain terms, Obama has pretty much gotten a free pass the last 4 years.
cc
October 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
The truest statement made in the final debate was uttered by the moderator when he made reference to “Obama bin Laden”.
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
The truest statement made in the final debate was uttered by the moderator when he made reference to “Obama bin Laden”.
The problem with being bugeyed crazy is you apparently don’t realize sane people are staring at your bugeyed craziness.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
2:23 pm
CC has a life-size cut out poster of Shawn Hannity.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
the mainstream media throws away all pretense of being politically neutral around election time
Just around election time? Or are you Cons ALWAYS the victims in everything?
Matz
October 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
Bruno,
Get back to me when you can successfully rewrite history so that the Bin Laden threat was not obsured for more than a year, and the President himself not subpoenaed away from important duties, by the relentless proseuction and media frenzy surrounding the President’s zipper. Or when the same kind of attention was paid to Pres. AWOL’s ongoing alcohol abuse. Or maybe you think the “liberal media” was just trying to fool us? How insidious!
AtlCoug
October 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
Think of how much world attention was brought (falsely) on the video by Obama and others in his administration. They created more violence and protests by perpetuating an untruth.
Old News
October 24th, 2012
2:39 pm
This is all you can come up with? Didn’t you see Mitt Romney officially endorse Obama’s foreign policy, to a worldwide audience no less?
hsn
October 24th, 2012
2:40 pm
AtlCoug
October 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
“Think of how much world attention was brought (falsely) on the video by Obama and others in his administration. They created more violence and protests by perpetuating an untruth.”
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Sure, they “created more violence and protests by perpetuating the untruth” more than the LIES that led to 4000 members of our troops dying and 100,000 Iraqis killed by the previous administration.
And you surely, rewarded that administration with 2 terms. Now your excuse is “Bush is no longer in office anymore.” Do you see an image of yourself in the mirror anymore?
Can you say, Obama's campaign is in trouble
October 24th, 2012
2:41 pm
How can you trust a friend who lies to you? How can you vote for a president that lies about the events on his Bengazi that costs 4 lives?
Old News
October 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
Kyle already knows that the election is over. He admitted as much in his little video chat. He’s just trying to fill his quota for the day. Apparently, by continuing to circle around a month old turd.
Scooter
October 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
Have you not been paying attention? The transparent and responsible Obama White House wanted to make sure they had all the facts before commenting. So that’s why they continually commented about the spontaneity of the attack on 9/11 as a reaction to an obscure video, even though that wasn’t supported by facts. Sarcasm off.
cc
October 24th, 2012
2:46 pm
“The problem with being bugeyed crazy is you apparently don’t realize sane people are staring at your bugeyed craziness.”
Yes, Aquagirl, you are “certifiable”.
Partisay
October 24th, 2012
2:46 pm
“When 90% + of the media votes Democrat…”
This is absolutlely not true, and is in the same room as the whopper “Al Gore said he invented the internet” that the right has been peddling for years.
Old News
October 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
Kyle knew the election was over as soon as Mitt got nominated. I go to church with Johnny Isakson, not even he is willing to fully support Romney.
Partisay
October 24th, 2012
2:49 pm
“These people don’t respresent me.”
So DawgDad…your not an American citizen? Wow…who knew?
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
2:50 pm
What Kyle and virtually everybody who attacks the Administration in this matter ignores is that the motive cannot be ascertained from the method of the attack. They keep harping on the Administration’s references to the video, as if they had evidence that the video did not play any role. Perhaps it did not, perhaps it did.
So Kyle, tell was what the motive of those attacking the consulate in Benghazi was, and mainly, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
Jack
October 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
As Rev Wright said, the chickens have come home to roost. Problem is, they’re roosting on the White House.
Old News
October 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
The October surprise is the number of loyal Republicans that will not bother to vote this year.
carlosgvv
October 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
This attack occured as Muslims all over the world were rioting over that anti-Muslim film on youtube. It was only natural that Obama should think it was a violent street demonstration. As intelligence begin to come in, it was clear that no one knew exactly why the attack happened. Eye wittnesses gave and continue to give conflicting stories.
However, the main thing to remember is that in this violent and unstable part of the world, a planned terrorist attact and a violent street demonstration are virtually the same thing. Republicans know this and are stiring up trouble over it because they have no positive agendas and know their electorate will believe any lie they are told.
This “controversy” is a tempest in a tea pot to those who can see clearly thru desperate Republican lies.
Old News
October 24th, 2012
2:56 pm
Back in 04, I saw “W” stickers everywhere. In 08, they were gone, it was if “W” never existed. Some of them were replaced by some lady named Palin. This year, I can count on one hand the amount of Romney stickers I’ve seen.
Old News
October 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
Paul Ryan is so nice. It only costs $1,000 to get a picture with him.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
After the feckless performance of Romney in the last debate, in which he did not dare to bring up this subject, it is now up to his surrogates, like Kyle, to try to make some political hay of it.
Malthusian way
October 24th, 2012
3:03 pm
Kyle, again I commend you on your work ethic. I personally could not tolerate the non-sense you have to endure…..
The partisan politics played out here will always have nothing to do with the topic.
It comes down too, what the meaning of “is” is. Have you seen my cigar?
Thanks again Kyle!
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
3:03 pm
Paul Ryan is so nice. It only costs $1,000 to get a picture with him.
Does he take off his shirt?
Dusty
October 24th, 2012
3:07 pm
Well this is getting absolutely rediculous. Americans were killed by terrorists and the government is still “investigating” two weeks later after one government agency knew within two hours. Wow!I It was just a little unhappy incident!!! Just a uh-oh,not a yes it is. Washington is getting to be Wonderland.
I suggest we should STILL investigate 9/11 because there were no signed confessions from terrorists saying they did it! Just think! If terrorists later claimed success, do you believe a terrorist??? Ha! So say our liberal friends.
I am going to do some early voting. We must get Wonderland out of Washington and let truth prevail. “The time has come” the Walrus said ” to speak of many a thing. Of debts and dabbling and the man who thinks he’s a king” !.
Give us Romney, the honest man! .
hsn
October 24th, 2012
3:08 pm
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
12:51 pm
hsn @ 12:49: I’m not an objective journalist. I’m an opinion writer. And I don’t ban people for expressing their opinions.
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Well, then your “opinions” are highly skewed against integrity, and in favor of partisanship and division. But, I know that in your “conservative cycles,” the display of “integrity” and “objectivity” are regarded as a “weakness.” So, why bother with being “opinionated” but “objective”?
4000 soldiers and 100,000 Iraqis’ blood spilled in the killing fields of Iraq from a war based on LIES for 8 years. No problem. No investigations needed. In fact, you SUPPORTED REWARDING “THAT” administration with 4 MORE YEARS in office.
You cons-of-a-job are the most disgusting, evil and ugly Americans ever to grace the surface of this beautiful country.
And oh, you have “banned” me for calling you out on giving Republican posters who call the president names a pass, while banning Dem supporters who do the same.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
3:13 pm
With the help provided by Mourdock, Allred, and Trump, I wonder if today’s the day Mitt learned to cuss…
jeffrey
October 24th, 2012
3:13 pm
This is obviously a big big deal. So my guess is that if obama takes these guys out by next Monday y’all will be voting for him. Right?
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
3:15 pm
“Give us Romney, the honest man! .”
And just when all humor seemed squeezed out of the day…
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
Old News…..not sure about bumper stickers you have seen but get ready to address Romney as Mr. President after November 6th.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 24th, 2012
3:18 pm
obviously HSN doesn’t understand the difference between expressing an opinion and spewing hate speech………….
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
3:18 pm
hsn @ 3:08: “You cons-of-a-job are the most disgusting, evil and ugly Americans ever to grace the surface of this beautiful country.”
But I’m the one who’s partisan and divisive. Uh-huh.
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
hsn (home shopping network):
Bookie man is calling for you to come back to his blog………
cc
October 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
MarkV:
“it is now up to his surrogates, like Kyle, to try to make some political hay of it.”
What are YOU? You are the consumate Obama surrogate, and you go to great effort to prove this time and again.
Kyle Wingfield
October 24th, 2012
3:20 pm
P.S. to hsn: If I banned you, why are you still posting here?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:21 pm
Romney is out in front. Feels great, don’t it Cons?
I give up. Obama can’t win. It’s ovah. Turn off the lights.
(Yes I am trying to help with the Con buildup so the post election depression is that much deeper.)
Go Cons! You got this wrapped up!
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
Looks like 0Bummer will have a lot more flexibility after the election…..he can spend his days hangin’ with his Marxist friends after 1/21/13 as he will have nothing else to do….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
get ready to address Romney as Mr. President
What do we call his magic cult underwear?
And which of his sister wives will be the first lady? I guess he will have a 2nd and a 3rd lady as well?
fair and balanced
October 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
White House visitor records show that administration officials have hosted numerous White House meetings with a series of U.S.-based Muslim political groups that have close ties to jihadi groups and push to reduce anti-terrorism investigations.
The visits were discovered by the Investigative Project on Terrorism, which compared the Obama White House’s visitor records with its database of Islamist advocacy groups.
For example, the records show that officials from the Council on American Islamic Relations have visited the White House 20 times, according to the organization’s report.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/22/report-islamist-radicals-find-warm-welcome-in-obama-white-house/#ixzz2AFKzoWDU
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
Finn:
Another break from midterms……Still working on that degree? LOL….you are going to have 4 years to complain on Kyle’s blog…..you should be in hog heaven.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
3:25 pm
Eyewitnesses that said the local militia told them it was the movie or the right focused on getting our President and not the local militia that did it.
I think I will go with the eyewitnesses on this one.
It was the movie and Hillary is playing with the media on her way out.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:26 pm
Dusty, you gonna share what you are smoking today??
getalife
October 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
Gallup shows mitt’s numbers are dropping.
Four more years!
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
Finn:
Are you proud of yourself for disparaging the Mormon religion. Do you think you could come up with some jokes for the most loyal constituency of the democrats? We will wait with baited breath.
cc
October 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
I told y’all yesterday via of announcement that Bookman’s blog was missing an idiot. hsn@3:08 pm bears witness to the truth of my statement.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
getalife, shhhhhh. Let’s build up their delusions.
UPGRAYEDD
October 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
Here is what Obama should have said instead:
“We know there are known knowns: there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns: that is to say we know there are things we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.”
Oh wait. That was Rumsfeld in 2002. Keep forgetting that Republicans are and have always been full of fecal material.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
cc, I claim the “idiot missing from Bookman’s blog” title, dangit.
Oh, this isn’t my week? We are alternating every third week, right?
POTUS Romney
October 24th, 2012
3:30 pm
“Nanh Nanh Nanh Nanh, Nanh Nanh Nanh Nanh, Hey Hey Goodbye”, Obama
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
And to hear the derisive cries of the libtards……they know the music has stopped and the party is over. Rosie O’ Donnell is warming up the vocal cords……
getalife
October 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
Finn,
Well, it is pretty obvious after mitt endorsed our President in the last debate
cc
October 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Finn:
You’re like very bad weather: not pleasant, but everyone knows you’re coming . . . and so very predictable.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Disparage the mormon religion? Heck, I disparage them all. Christians also have some kooky stuff they believe in as well.
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
Go Cons! You got this wrapped up!
With assists from re-Birther Trump, Ann Coulter tweeting about “retards” and Richard Mourdock sharing the rapist love, Romney is a shoo-in.
Mitt’s running to the middle but the loons are sticking tighter than his magic underwear.
UPGRAYEDD
October 24th, 2012
3:37 pm
“From a marketing point of view, you don’t roll out new products in August.” —White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, on why the Bush administration waited until after Labor Day to try to sell the American people on war against Iraq, “New York Times” interview, Sept. 7, 2002
Obfuscation and playing politics with matters of national security are not foreign subjects to Republicans.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:37 pm
Romney won’t get to 200 electoral votes, much less 280.
mwuahahahahahahaahha
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
3:38 pm
Dusty @3:07 pm
“Well this is getting absolutely rediculous. Americans were killed by terrorists and the government is still “investigating” two weeks later after one government agency knew within two hours.”
Dusty,
Are you paying any attention? What did the government agency know within two hours? Tell us.
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:38 pm
Well aren’t you an equal opportunity offender…..you should be so proud of yourself. I am guessing you don’t have the knads to go after Islam…..especially in person.
cc
October 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
“the loons are sticking tighter than his magic underwear”
Just how tight does it stick, and how do you know? Sounds as if some “up close and personal” observations have been made by you?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
I think the Cons keep saying offensive things about rape because they are slowly and subtly trying to remove rape from the list of criminal activities.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
cc @3:19 pm
“What are YOU? You are the consumate Obama surrogate, and you go to great effort to prove this time and again.”
And how did you arrive at this “brilliant” conclusion? Because I dispute the lies and absurdities that you and others like you present to defend Romney?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:42 pm
Rush, in my view, Islamist fundamentalists are just as dangerous as christian fundamentalists.
Both are fueled by hate and both need to be monitored constantly.
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:42 pm
cc:
Lay off of aquagirl and the Decatur softball team’s star catcher…..
Sara
October 24th, 2012
3:45 pm
Watch for the word “lie” in the anti-Obama comments. That seems to be part of today’s script for those trying to pretend this is a meaningful October Surprise. Mountain out of a molehill – IMO nothing was clear right after it happened and it was not a time for rash statements.
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:47 pm
Great Analogy, Finn. Those Christian fundementalist, Hasidic Jews, Hindu’s and Buddhist are all running around as suicide bombers. We need you in Homeland Security to monitor all threats as it appears you are wise beyond your “ears”.
cc
October 24th, 2012
3:48 pm
“And how did you arrive at this “brilliant” conclusion?”
Your posts are prima facie evidence.
UPGRAYEDD
October 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
Bush administration would have simply said that this was an incident of national security and would therefore not be the subject of speculation or action until a final report was rendered.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
Hasidic Jews, Hindu’s and Buddhist don’t kill doctors and blow up abortion clinics for doing something perfectly legal.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
3:50 pm
If cons want to make rape legal, catch them and throw them in prison so they can learn all about rape.
cc
October 24th, 2012
3:50 pm
“Lay off of aquagirl and the Decatur softball team’s star catcher…..”
I didn’t start this, she did!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
3:51 pm
Rush, it’s less than 14 days till the election so I suggest you get a dr appt set up for some antidepressants pronto.
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
When in doubt, blame Bush…..so trivial….
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
Speaking from expierence, getalife?
UPGRAYEDD
October 24th, 2012
3:53 pm
Oh Rush, see a reference to the Bush administration and extrapolate the tired “blame Bush” response.
No sir. Simply comparing and contrasting. Something someone does when they read and analyze.
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:53 pm
Try again, missy. Not a Romney supporter but he is lesser of the two evils by a long shot.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
3:55 pm
rush,
No but you will because rape is a felony .
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
In additon to Finn with Homeland Security we need UPGRAYEDD at the State Department based on brilliant analysis….It is so easy to connect the dots for these nuanced individuals. LOL
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
3:56 pm
Sounds as if some “up close and personal” observations have been made by you?
Well, yes…in the military those up close and personal observations are commonplace. I never saw what was under them, though, they saved the side action for other Mormons. Keeping it in the family I guess.
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
The horror of recall obviously affected my slanties.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
Amazing how, for cons, every function of gubment is incompetent and worthless, until….every State Department email is formed from Original Truth…
UPGRAYEDD
October 24th, 2012
3:57 pm
And we need Rush on the radio to blaspheme, obfuscate, marginalize and condescend.
Oh wait. You may need a new name.
cc
October 24th, 2012
3:58 pm
Sara:
Obama’s October Surprise isn’t working out too well so far, but he is still trying! Now, if Obama can just get Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to go along with this . . .
There’s nothing like “secret deals” with Russia and Iran!
Rush
October 24th, 2012
3:58 pm
Gotta run, you Decatur gals have fun before you head back over to Bookie man
Wilbur
October 24th, 2012
3:59 pm
People died and Obama lied.
It’s that simple. He was more interested in preserving that narrative that the terrorists are on the run than telling the American people the truth. We have a cynical, self serving narcissist President who is more interested in being on The View than in serving the country.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
4:00 pm
“…catch them and throw them in prison so they can learn all about rape.”
An idea we can all get behind…
cc
October 24th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Well, yes…in the military those up close and personal observations are commonplace.”
Yes, I can see why the military would school you in regard to suspected Mormon combatants. Too bad Obama wasn’t schooled as well! Now he has to rely on his back-up, Biden.
POTUS Romney
October 24th, 2012
4:05 pm
Washington is burning and Obama is playing golf, well it won’t be long now.
Just Saying..
October 24th, 2012
4:08 pm
“Washington is burning and Obama is playing golf…”
Insulting, how he won’t go all fetal position for you…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
Obama’s grandfather served in WW2. Did none of Romney’s relatives serve in the military?
No wars? Not one person served? Really? Not a one? Not even in the Civil War? They couldn’t be bothered to pick a side?
Cherokee
October 24th, 2012
4:14 pm
Amazing. A terrorist group claims something on Facebook, and the Administration is supposed to drop everything they have learned through their information networks, and parrot the terrorists?
You’re smarter than that, Kyle.
cc
October 24th, 2012
4:21 pm
“Obama’s grandfather served in WW2.”
Which grandfather was that, and for what country and which cause was he fighting?
Obama Does Not Love America
October 24th, 2012
4:22 pm
Finn, when someone blows up an abortion clinic or kills an abortion doctor it is done in direct contradiction to the views and teachings of the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ. When a Muslim blows themselves or anybody else up they are being true to the founder’s teachings. Your hatred may not allow you to see the difference, but it’s there.
cc
October 24th, 2012
4:23 pm
“Washington is burning and Obama is playing golf”
Obama started the fire before he left for the his round of golf.
Obama Does Not Love America
October 24th, 2012
4:24 pm
When the administration gets asked for help to enchance security and do nothing as well as watch the attack in real time and does nothing, I believe that should be cause for concern for even the most ideoligically hardened Liberal. Shouldn’t the Administration done something other than blame it on a video? Really?????
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
4:30 pm
Kyle Wingfield @ 12:43 pm
I have noticed Kyle comment addressed to me only now, but I will still respond, and I will repeat: Can you, Kyle, really read? If you can, then explain, why you quoted the passage of Ms. Rice’s interview? Are you trying to say that it supports what you have written? Because that would be completely false.
POTUS Romney
October 24th, 2012
4:31 pm
Obama likes to lead from behind that way he can knife you in the back so much easier. Just ask Hillary about that.
Apillow Creed
October 24th, 2012
4:31 pm
I thought our nation was too broke to do anything. Now we suddenly want to invest in an anti-terrorist strike force. Until we DO invest in an anti-terrorist strike force. And then we’d hear that we were too broke to avenge the assassination of 4 measly Americans.
There’s no winning with you guys.
TOTUS
October 24th, 2012
4:34 pm
I will have to think of something smart for my master to say to you any moment now I will flash it across my screen and hopefully he can read it and sound intelligent. Wait just a minute.
Lambeau
October 24th, 2012
4:36 pm
It’s just funny watching MarkV do his thing. First it was “give me proof the obama administration blamed the video after day one!” and now that there has been SUBSTANTIAL evidence posted here as to complete evidence that the administration did in fact blame the video for 2 weeks… hes trying to say “Oh but it WAS because of the video!”… give me a break.
Cam
October 24th, 2012
4:37 pm
Obama and his administration are caught in a huge lie and this time the media has not been able to figure out how to spin it. I have seen some pretty desperate attempts by his supporters though.
getalife
October 24th, 2012
4:39 pm
Let us pray the gop lose and they will not destroy our country again for four more years.
Obama Does Not Love America
October 24th, 2012
4:41 pm
Let us pray that Obama doesn’t win and finish destroying our country.
Obama Does Not Love America
October 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
If Bush destroyed our country with his spending, what does that say about what Obama has done since he has spent more in four years than Bush did in eight? Think before you post.
Apillow Creed
October 24th, 2012
4:45 pm
The country I live in has not been destroyed. I started my own small business earlier in the year and it is thriving. I am not alone. Too bad most Americans – including the ones reading this post – want to dismiss America as a part of their pathetic political narrative.
Left is Right and Right is Rong
October 24th, 2012
4:47 pm
Obama spent us out of Bush’s death sentence for America.
Obama Does Not Love America
October 24th, 2012
4:52 pm
The only death sentence on America was the housing collapse caused by Democratic policies.I am happy for Apillow but an isolated example doesn’t mean Obama has done anything. The only people that benefitted from Obama’s spending are his Green Buddies and Unions. Pathetic talking points regurgitated by a clueless Lib.
Left is Right and Right is Rong
October 24th, 2012
4:53 pm
Democratic policies under a Republican President and a Republican Congress? Do you make this stuff up?
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
4:54 pm
Lambeau @4:36 pm
I understand that you are incapable of comprehending two independent arguments, and instead you come up with two new lies.
“First it was “give me proof the obama administration blamed the video after day one!””
Lie number one. I never wrote that. I was asking for a proof that Obama lied, which you accused him of, and was never able to prove.
“hes trying to say “Oh but it WAS because of the video!”…”
Lie number two. I never wrote that it was because of the video.
Do you have more lies in your sleeve?
Obama Does Not Love America
October 24th, 2012
4:55 pm
It started with Clinton and when Bush noticed, Big Bad Barney shot it down. You don’t have to make stuff up with Liberals, just watch ‘em.
Doug B
October 24th, 2012
5:02 pm
Does this narrative resonate with anyone? Give it up, Kyle. Until you have some logical reason to explain a lie, this is fruitless. I don’t buy the argument that he needed to polish his foreign policy credentials before the election. He already gets to take credit for taking down Osama bin Laden and he has a Nobel Peace Prize in his pocket. His credentials look great. Lying about something that would inevitably be discovered would just be stupid.
cc
October 24th, 2012
5:13 pm
Left is Right and Right is Rong:
My suggestion to you is that you research Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from Jimmy Carter to the housing bust. You might want to enlighten yourself as to the impact that Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank had on the collapse of the housing market. If you are indeed astute, you might manage to learn of the efforts made by President George W. Bush to get Congress to address this impending problem and subsequent collapse.
You will, of course, do none of this because you would then have to admit where the true fault lies.
independent thinker
October 24th, 2012
5:26 pm
Hey fools the request for more security was at the Libyan Embassy- not some so called consulate off in Benghazi. Any of you brilliant scholars know why our ambassador was not at the embassy but rather in a lightly protected house surrounded by hostile militias?????????????????That is the question that needs to be answered. Americans have been getting kidnapped and murdered in Eastern Libya since 1803 under Jefferson.I guess he was as incompetent and unqualified as Obama.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 24th, 2012
6:03 pm
Hey not so independent thinker, security is SUPPOSED to protect people first, property second. The security request was to protect the ambassador.
Nice try at deflection.
Obama Does Not Love America
October 24th, 2012
6:06 pm
You think maybe Obama had him on a covert mission to supply arms or aid to the Muslim Brotherhood? I would like to know the answer to your question. An American getting killed in the ME doesn’t surprise anyone but what about the aftermath? Can you really defend Obama if you are truly an “Independent Thinker’?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 24th, 2012
6:07 pm
Lambeau, you have to realize that someone who is as wrong as MarkV is need to be able to veer off into another direction on a moments notice when caught.
It’s all he’s got.
Cherry pick, parse, get caught, deflect.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 24th, 2012
6:16 pm
Im not surprised that the libs on here are so intent on defending this fiasco
One, desperation is setting in as polls don’t go there way.
Two, these are the same people who agree with or remained silent when Obama’s witch Cutter accused Romney of killing a guys wife and was a felon.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
6:19 pm
People like Lambeau are not even clever liars, they are pathetic liars. Do they really think their lies will not be challenged? And there is no wonder that they are supported by Tiberius and his ilk. Birds of a feather.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 24th, 2012
6:23 pm
More deflection from MarkV.
Too bad wordsmithing isn’t an accepted form of debate.
Alas, we use reason over here.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
6:34 pm
I suppose I should thank Tiberius for his compliments, but he might then stop calling me a wordsmith, so I rather let him do it.
World English Dictionary: Wordsmith: a person skilled in using words
Merriam-Webster: Definition of WORDSMITH: a person who works with words; especially: a skillful writer
cc
October 24th, 2012
6:41 pm
“I suppose I should thank Tiberius for his compliments, but he might then stop calling me a wordsmith”
Being called a “wordsmith” is no compliment when the art is used as a replacement for rational thought and argument.
I guess if it’s all you’ve got . . .
md
October 24th, 2012
6:48 pm
“Romney cannot unilaterally eliminate a bill passed by Congress and his plan to grant states waivers may also be a non-starter.”
yet Obama has done it several times…..first in granting amnesty to some illegals and second in not defending/enforcing DOMA.
Seems if that’s the precedent, all Romney has to do is issue an executive order to not enforce Obamacare…………
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
6:49 pm
cc @6:41 pm : “Being called a “wordsmith” is no compliment when the art is used as a replacement for rational thought and argument.”
As if you knew what a rational thought and argument were…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 24th, 2012
6:49 pm
Perhaps I should have clarified, MarkV.
You’re a nit-picking, anal-retentive wordsmith serving no useful purpose in intelligent dialogue.
md
October 24th, 2012
6:53 pm
” IMO nothing was clear right after it happened and it was not a time for rash statements.”
You are correct about the first part…..nothing was clear. So, if that was the case, why keep peddling this bs about a movie and protesters?
Wouldn’t it be more logical to say “nothing is clear at the moment”??
md
October 24th, 2012
6:54 pm
“Lying about something that would inevitably be discovered would just be stupid.”
Bingo…..and yes it is, hence all the discussion about the stupidity in the way the situation was handled.
md
October 24th, 2012
6:56 pm
“Hey fools the request for more security was at the Libyan Embassy- not some so called consulate off in Benghazi.”
Yes, which is where Stevens was when he made the request PRIOR to going to Benghazi……..
cc
October 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
MarkV:
“As if you knew what a rational thought and argument were…”
You won’t get any argument from me because I learned a very valuable lesson long ago. Never argue with an idiot: they will only drag you down to their level and ultimately beat you with their experience in idiocy.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
7:51 pm
cc @ 7:04 pmI
I will remember that and will not argue with you.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
7:52 pm
Tiberius @6:49 pm
An intelligent dialogue is such a terra incognita for you, you would not know what to do there.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 24th, 2012
8:04 pm
And yet, you have always failed to respond to mine, yet never make one of your own, MarkV.
Go figure.
Gary J
October 24th, 2012
10:09 pm
The fog of war, and this administration provided the fog.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 24th, 2012
10:24 pm
Scumbag Obozo wasn’t thinking of the country or our public servants overseas. He was thinking about the effect on his reelection, and his fundraising schedule.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
11:13 pm
What a pathetic bunch of losers we see here.
They cannot win any arguments, so all that is left to them is bluster. They will tell me that my arguments are just semantics, wordsmithing ,that they won, that I lost – they will say anything, except to present arguments and provide evidence for their lies. Poor, pitiful, pathetic losers.
Lee Kerr
October 25th, 2012
1:20 am
The aftermath of the attack on our U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya on 9/11/12 leads Americans to only one of two possible conclusions about the Obama Administration. Either the Administration was incapable for nearly 2 weeks to determine we were again victims of a terrorist attack on 9/11, rendering Obama unworthy in our faith or trust with our national security for another 4 years, or the Obama Administration deliberately attempted to mislead the American people about the true facts concerning the terrorist attack since it did not fit their faulty political narrative about their progress in dealing with terrorism, which would also render Obama unworthy of Americans faith or trust for another 4 years. How can we trust an administration to protect us when they can’t even determine when we are attacked, or would lie to us about it?
Harry Masters
October 25th, 2012
2:04 am
If there were simply one or two inconsistencies I would give Obama the benefit of the doubt, but even in a court room , the volume of circumstantial evidence can pile up to the point where a conviction is handed out by a jury.
At this point the odds of a cover up are much higher than a series of incredible blunders that stretch our common sense.
Say it ain’t so, Joe.
jim
October 25th, 2012
8:51 am
People will still vote for obama even if they cover up the facts on how the americans were killed . What has this country come to ? All for political gain.So obama can say he has squashed Al Qaeda
MarkV
October 25th, 2012
9:22 am
jim @ 8:51 am
People will vote for Obama, and he has not covered up facts on how the Americans were killed. He also did not say that he has squashed Al Qaeda. What has this country come to? I would ask, what has some people come to in their hate, when they keep lying like you do.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 25th, 2012
10:54 am
The emails and other facts that have come to light show that in fact Obozo knew there was no protest outside the Benghazi consulate, that the attack was carried out by an affiliate of al Qaeda, and that it had nothing to do with the YouTube video.
Obozo lied.
Iconoclast
October 25th, 2012
9:01 pm
Congratulations, Kyle, on finishing the whole gallon of GOP Kool Aid