WATCH VIDEO NOW: My 2012 presidential election chat with Jay Bookman

Jay needs a better webcam

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Kyle plays the voter fraud card first. I guess the whole country is thinking another 2000.

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That was fun to watch–thanks for participating in/posting it, Kyle.

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Great question from moderator: “Do americans want gridlock and status quo.” Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing too much?

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Not bad Kyle.

You are not unhinged like the your cons and low keyed with original thoughts.

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The President will cave again on tax cuts for the wealthy so there will be a deal and no fiscal cliff.

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Kyle

I have to commend you on presenting logical arguments on behalf of conservatives across this country. It’s much more refreshing to hear actual thought being hashed out as opposed to rabid rhetorical regurgitations.

But the so-called fiscal cliff looms, and gridlock means we go over it. Which wouldn’t be optimal, as Obama might say.

I haven’t heard hardly any pundit take on Obama’s comment in regards to the fiscal cliff where he stated the cuts wouldn’t happen. I wonder if that comment got lost in the whole bayonet and horse stuff.

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Another thing…while jay is critical of Romney’s flip from far-right to moderate center, he also calls it smart and intelligent.

We are a center-right nation and will remain so, regardless. Romney’s aware of that. Obama? Not so much. He’ll go far left if the door is open. Let’s hope the GOP maintains control in Congress. Gridlock against a leftist would be welcome from my perspective.

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Aquagirl:

Many conservatives saw Gingrich as moderate. I know, I did.

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Wow! The camera really does put on 10 lbs. . . . .

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Is Newt moderate in terms of economic policy, social policy or both?

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I couldn’t help but laugh when jay said “It’s up to Fred in Ohio.”

Hopefully, he’s not talking about the Fred he recently banished.

I could do without THAT Fred.

Kyle:

Don’t know if you have a subscription to STRATFOR but they have an excellent piece about Presidents and their limitations on foreign policy…circumstances beyond their control and such. We don’t live in a vacuum.

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Our President pointed out the facts when mitt was dead wrong on his original positions.

Our President ended mitt in this debate.

Buried him.

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getalife
The President will cave again on tax cuts for the wealthy so there will be a deal and no fiscal cliff.

Man, you finally took one of those smart pills. I said that months ago, and you libs disagreed. Obama knows that to raise taxes in his abysmal economy will send us into a deeper recession. He has been on his get the rich campaign as just something to rile his voters. Once the election is over, he will extend the Obama Tax cuts in their entirety.

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Thanks for the reply. What social policies is he moderate in your opinion?

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I would.

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getalife

And just as predictable as always, he’ll roll over like a too friendly dog that’s in need of a belly rub. Not that I think Romney is any better, but this country needs better than that in a leader.

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Bro,

It is bad policy that increases the deficit but it is what it is.

When the gop will allow us to go back to a recession unless they get their tax cuts, there is no choice.

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Kyle,

Rasmussen only has Obama up by a point and I’ve seen a few polls that have it dead even. I agree that Romney must win Ohio to win the election.

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Del

Rasmussen is probably more dependable.

Gallup has the name and history but looking at the last 4 election cycles, they haven’t done such a great job.

2010: way overstated Repub victory
2008: way overstated Obama victory
2006: understated Dem victory
2004: way overstated Bush victory

They do not seem to favor any party in terms of their predictions, but there seems to be more reliable sources.

Who knows. They could be on the money and Obama is heading for beat down.

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Kyle,

Thanks for posting and well done to all involved. I have always suspected that even though you and I don’t always see things through the same lens that you were more than a party line marcher and this video confirmed as much. Even though recent research indicates post debate spin actually works, thanks for not engaging in as much and for presenting realistic and well thought out points.

I think more videos like this might serve to reduce the vitriol and name calling often times present in these forums…….as your candidate stated last night, “We want a peaceful planet”.

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getalife

We’re going to have another recession regardless. The current upswing has very little to do with demand increasing. It’s not as big of a bubble as we’ve had before, but we’re going to go back down again. Until we put the job infrastructure in place to handle the baby boomer retirement and SS, we’re only extending the pain we’re going to have to endure anyway. I think it’s better to do it now while other countries are struggling as opposed to waiting until everybody else is doing better.

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“A thrice-married “family values” guy who made compromise a dirty word and shut down the government is not moderate. YMMV.”

Ummm…….that WAS compromise. By holding Clinton’s feet to the fire, we ended up with the proverbial “surpluses”……I doubt seriously that compromise would not have come about otherwise.

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“The market got smacked right from the opening bell on Tuesday as the third quarter earnings season continues to come in even worse than expected. ”

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It has come down to voting for the lesser of 2 evils. Obama did not live up to all his 2008 promises but did a good job on national security and foreign affairs. Also Obama kept us from entering a deep economic depression but created a massive amount of debt. Romney initially appeared as a solid alternative but his changing positions on almost every issue – gun control; Roe vs Wade; mandated health care; spending; etc – rules him out for me since I have no idea now of where he really stands and what kind of policies he will pursue.

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Bro

I have mentioned before that we have been limping for sometime now. While history is what it is, take away the military build up and technology push in the 80s, internet bubble of the 90s and housing / construction bubble of 2000s and we might have been in trouble for sometime.

Granted many people made some good money during those “bubbles”, but many individuals and businesses also saw and are seeing the downside now.

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” Romney initially appeared as a solid alternative but his changing positions on almost every issue – gun control; Roe vs Wade; mandated health care; spending; etc – rules him out for me since I have no idea now of where he really stands and what kind of policies he will pursue.”

Maybe you should read up on what HE says vs relying on the talking points from the media.

R v W……says his personal opinion is that abortion is wrong, but also says he will offer no legislation to change the law…….simple enough.

Mandated healthcare……….another simple concept, as he believes it should be up to each State, NOT shoved down our throats by the Feds………..

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“We screwed up.”

yes we did, we should have listened to Bush way back in 2001 when he said there were major issues concerning Fannie and Freddie and we did nothing about them……….of course now they are in receivership, but a bit late for that.

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says he will offer no legislation to change the law…

And he’s also said he’d be delighted to sign a law that will surely be offered to him if there’s a majority in both Houses.

so… vote for Romney, because he probably won’t get a chance to do what he’d personally like to do? Ain’t working for me.

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md,

Senator Dorgan predicted the collapse and wanted to act.

congress vote no.

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md

Don’t be selective in your research. The information is out there and will not take long to locate.

You are welcome to defend it all you like. Say he meant this or that, however it will not change the facts that he has “flip flopped” on several issues.

Obama has done the same and it can also be located for easily.

Don’t let your rose colored glasses deter you from seeing the truth.

Not saying this in any effort to change your vote. Do not care who you vote for, but I am saying it because it is fact, regardless if you wish to admit and acknowledge it. It will not change either way.

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getalife

My position is this… let them (the GOP) do what they want to do. If they’re right, the country will improve and hopefully so will the lives of everyone here. If they’re wrong, the country will crash and those ideas will go the way of the dodo bird. Sometimes, you have to actually let people fail in order for them to realize the mistakes in their thinking. I’ve had people teach me lessons that way, and I’ve done the same thing to others. However, if they’re right, then those who think the GOP is wrong will have to rethink their own thought process.

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I thought Romney said he’d sign in a law overturning Roe v Wade.
Also thought he recommended to Obama to use the Massachuetts law for healthcare.

Not sure what he wiould do. Are you?

He knows the best way to build the economy is to bomb Iran at the first suggestion of his Bush defense experts. WW3 will either get us to full employment or a few nukes from Russia will reduce the labor pool.

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Bro,

We did that and it crashed. They did not learn anything.They want to do it again. Not going to happen.

We will focus on the middle class instead of Americans that need no help..

That is a change in focus like he did with aq.

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md

Nice spin on the “if”.

I give you credit, you can spin with the best of them when defending or deflecting any given Republican being discussed or the party in general. You are one of the best, no doubt

Have a great day.

Peace

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mitt and his wealthy friends will be just fine without any American or government help.

They don’t need it and it is waste.

Time to shift focus on Americans that could use some help.

romney says it but the gop never votes for it.

The choice is clear, vote to reelect the President and the dem party that actually votes to help the middle class.

Lets use some common sense folks.

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Well, I did not watch last night’s debate of the two magnificents. . I guess there were no fireworks or I would have heard..

Kyle and Jay were smooth as silk. It’s downright despressing . No arguments!! (Kyle, what happened to your Southern accent? Did you lose it in Brussels?)

Let’s all send bouquets of beautiful flowers to Ohio. Tthe card will say “We love you. Let uis vote together!” Signed,” Your loving Republcans!”.

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Gee Get, didn’t Greece use that same common sense? Vote to give, and give, and give until the funds are all gone??

Yes, let’s use some common sense, starting with the fact that the private sector is the golden goose that lays the golden eggs and we need to make IT the priority, NOT the gov’t entity that makes no money.

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Dusty,

I know, mitt sounded like a dirty freaking hippie peace loving kumbaya singing liberal.

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If government spending kept recessions at bay, European economies would never shrink.

I don’t think it’s simply blanket spending, but I think it has more to do what or where the spending is done. Republicans have typically funded the increased spending into defense spending, which does create some jobs and it puts money back into the economy. The faster money circulates and the more of it there is to circulate will determine how fast the recovery comes.

Our economy isn’t influenced as much by manufacturing as it is by consumption. The more we spend, the better the economy does. I haven’t found anything to date that shows a difference in whether the money comes from the private or public sector. If the private sector isn’t spending/consuming, then somebody has to pick up the slack or we’ll never pick up out of a recession.

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IF Congress takes it up and makes changes with majorities, then the people must have sent enough representatives to do so………..

“The people”, or the people who won the Great Redistricting Lottery of 2010?

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getalife,

Yes, the Europeans did make cuts. They have even dragged out the guillotine.

That may be a rumor but some guys in Mexico want to know if they can borrow the head whacke for more efficiency to get ahead. .(Whoops! Sorry! Just a weak moment..).

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Dusty,

They are already socialist so no need for head whacking.

That happens when the income and wealth gap is so large the people revolt.

If the gop win to grow that gap, it could happen here.

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“Not only did some of Europe cut, they raised taxes on the wealthy.”

Yes, they did, and it is doing a fine job of scaring off businesses:

http://www.france24.com/en/20121007-rich-businessmen-pulling-out-france-tax-hit-looms

How about we do it here too? What say you Will Smith:

“Smith explained why he supported the idea of paying higher taxes, saying, “I have no issue with paying taxes and whatever needs to be done for my country to grow. I believe very firmly that my ability to sit here — I’m a black man who didn’t go to college, yet I get to travel around the world and sell my movies, and I believe very firmly that America is the only place on Earth that I could exist. So I will pay anything that I need to pay to keep my country growing.”

The interviewer then said, “Do you know how much in France you would have to pay on earnings above 1 million euros [French President Francois Hollande's proposal]? Not 30 percent – 75 percent.”

At that point, Smith said, “75? Yeah, that’s different, that’s different. Yeah, 75. Well, you know, God bless America.””

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Vote Dem,.

I agree vote Dem that vote to help the middle class but it is not class warfare.

The wealthy won that war.

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“mitt said government should not help our President helped them.”

Mitt proved once again last night that Obama was lying about Mitt’s plan for GM, getalife.

Too bad you didn’t pay attention.

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In looking at the Politico version of the Real Clear map and poll data I have Obama with 277 electoral votes if the election is today. I have Obama with Iowa, Ohio, Nevada and Wisconsin among the 9 close states. I have Colorado, New Hampshire and Virginia as to close to call.

As Kyle notes, 2 weeks is 2 weeks.

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“How else will pay for the collapse?

The only people that can afford it.”

How else to pay for it? I’d suggest they best figure that out if those with the cash are now going elsewhere……….it’s pretty stupid to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and then demand it lay some more.

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md,

You want the middle class to pay for it?

Why?

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mitt wanted the private sector to loan them the money . Fact.

Private sector would not so government did. Fact.

Nice spin but bs.

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Getalife:

Romney proposed federal assistance but only AFTER GM went through bankruptcy.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.”

And we paid for ^^^ both?????

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I just read Kyle’s last comentary and he said that George W. Bush won last night’s debate.

If I had known that, I would have been watchng. Romney is excellent presidential timber but George W. Bush was the strong one in the storm. Republicans know how to find good men to lead when the going gets rough and believe me, the “going’ is very rough now.

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Are you sitting on a crooked chair? Slanting floor? Aboard ship?

Just trying to diagnose your “slanties”.

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“The reality is that if the feds hadn’t put up the loans needed to keep those two companies afloat, they would have gone into liquidation, not reorganization. Chaotic sell-off, not managed bankruptcy. And such a collapse could have taken with it companies that provided critical parts to all U.S. auto factories” LATimes.

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mitt was dead wrong like our President said but losing another million jobs to make it 10 million lost jobs does not bother him. Bain made money that way. He loves to fire 47% of the American people.

He would be worse than w.

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Getalife:

Chaotic sell-off, not managed bankruptcy.

Romney wasn’t proposing a chaotic sell-off. He’s was proposing a MANAGED BANKRUPTCY!

See: A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs.

Other companies have done it and lived to see a better day.

Are you saying GM was/is incapable?

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Getalife used to see the flaws within both parties. Now he only sees the flaws in one…the GOP.

I fear Getalife has fallen off the cliff into the left’s Utopian Valley.

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Getalife:

Mitt’s original statement was made in 2008….

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=1&

last two paragraphs.

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I liked the other Getalife better. I could, at least, agree with some of what he said.

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@Tiberius…”Romney ALWAYS said he’s use government guaranteed loans if the private sector didn’t step up.”

Of course you leave out the small fact that NO ONE was willing to make a guaranteed loan at the time and IT WAS TRIED…

What Mittens himself said was….

“The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.”

Please note the “post-bankruptcy” part, without government financing there is no post bankruptcy. Of course Tiberius won’t be able to grasp that fact so from Bob Lutz, Republican and Romeny supporter…

“”He thinks we didn’t try to borrow money from the banks?” Lutz told the Detroit Free Press in February. “The banks were even more broke than we were. Who had the money?” ”

Romney’s plan would have led to liquidation pure and simple.

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““If no money from the private sector, then what?””

curious, you DO know what government guarantees do to money availability, don’t you?

It frees up money in tight times.

‘Cause it’s, you know, guaranteed.

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Ohio will vote for our President because he saved their jobs.

Keep lying and trying but they already made up their minds.

Our President will win Ohio and this election.

16 is not too far away.

Try honesty and patriotism.

It is the American way.

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See my 3:09 for a reality check,JDW.

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Well, getalife has been caught and has run out of arguments, so he brings out the same, tired patriotism meme.

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“Obviously I was indulging in a bit of snark, but I do bristle a bit when I hear “the people” invoked to describe a process that can be incredibly anti (small “d”) democratic.”

I guess it wasn’t as obvious as intended, but even that process was voted on…….the “people” had the option of showing up in droves to make the difference……one side chose not to.

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Getalife:

And if you wanna be truly objective, Obama was just riding George Bush’s coattails on GM’s bailout. Bush provided short-term bridge loans

I parted company with Bush when it came to bailing out anyone.

Bailouts ain’t my thang!

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@@,

There ya go.

This is a good opportunity for w to set the record straight but he is chilling in Dallas.

Ford was upset because they had money but would lose auto part industry and that would end Ford.

Private equity like Bain said no loans so w agreed to bail them out with no strings attached like the banks. Our President took over the bailouts and added strings. Do you know what they were?

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Getalife:

GM can now make fewer cars and remain profitable. The big question remains…who can afford those cars? Not many.

The Treasury Dept has admitted that $23 billion of that loan will never be paid back. That’s $23 billion in taxpayer loans. Perhaps that’s because $21 billion went to the union’s retiree health benefit fund.

I don’t belong to a union. Why the heck am I paying for one?

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Getalife:

Did you miss the part where I said I parted company with GWB over his bailouts. I don’t show favoritism when it comes to bailouts. At some point they become a permanent solution to what would otherwise be a short-term problem.

GM dilly dallied far too long. They could’ve fixed their own problems long ago.

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@Tiberius..which part of they tried the guarantees and no one bit are you missing? See Lutz for perspective.

Just because you believe your own nonsense doesn’t mean the rest of us will…

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Don”t you guys know better than to engage getalife? He has his head so far up Obama, if getalife sneezed, he would hit Obama’s hemorrhoids. He’s just too far gone

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No matter which of these two wins, the doo doo is going to hit the fan about March or April, in my opinion.

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Romney’s plan did not involve buying off the unions so taxpayers could lose billions of dollars. End of story.

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You prove my point, you choose to vote Democrat because you are not using your brain. Game, Set, Match.

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You mean Bob Lutz, he of the “defending the Chevy Volt” fame, JDW?

I’ll point out that your quote from him doesn’t doesn’t mention any loan guarantees by the government at all, since, you know, they had never been offered by the Obama administration.

So another epic fail on your part.

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What happened in Italy is what would happen in the US if we have 4 more years of liberal government and judges:
http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/10/23/italian-scientists-resign-to-protest-earthquake-ruling/

Maybe the President of McDonalds would be convicted for making coffee too hot and not warning people.

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The mindless drudgey attack on the Volt is self destruction.

Another job killer.

Pitiful, you have no idea what you are doing fighting against American jobs.

Wake up.

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You certainly did..that a vote for a Democrat is evidence of not using your brain. If you read Romney’s op-ed there is no way you can say what you are saying and you believe government spending is the answer. Government does not creates jobs and every dollar they spend is taken from YOUR MIDDLE CLASS and spent inefficiently.
Now whose voting against themselves?

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@Tiberius…”So another epic fail on your part.”

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We can talk about Europe’s financial collapses all day long but we have only to look to our far-left coast for the proof of failed dem policies.

They’re goin’ down!!!

California budget hole swallows mortgage aid
Foreclosure relief funds diverted to perennial budget gap.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/housing-375029-state-settlement.html

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@@, you are absolutely on point with regard to CA and failed dem policies. In fact, that is a very good example of what the USA would look like if the dems are left to their own devices.

It would be difficult, but the dems would find a way to clain that it was “all George Bush’ fault!”

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Before Obama took over the economy was in free fall. Unemployment was skyrocketing.

Now things are beginning to turn around and you guys wanna go back to Bush 2.0

Thanks but no thanks

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United States are number two in investing in green energy.

Google it.

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“In many cases it comes down to education.”

No. In many cases, it comes down to liberal indoctrination.

“The more educated a society the more liberally they vote.”

Indoctrinated by liberal college teachers who were themselves indoctrinated by liberal college teachers, most of them educated far beyond their intelligence and unable to perform any tasks necessary for survival in the real world.

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bu2 @ 3:49: that might well be the most nonsensical post I have ever read anywhere. Please explain to me what that has to do with anything liberal? You must have really had to dig deep to find that.

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YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!

Bookman’s blog is missing an idiot. Would the missing idiot please return to Bookman’s blog?

Thank you for your attention. You may now resume normal blogging.

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cc

But you are not a Bookman regular.

Why say that you are?

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Ellen DeGeneres Celebrated in D.C. as She Claims Top Humor Prize

“Ellen has one of those universal, observational, non-mean-spirited comedy voices,” said Sean Hayes. “When the country has become so cynical…she is one of the few that we look to make us laugh,” he added.

I wholeheartedly agree.

http://entertainment.time.com/2012/10/23/ellen-degeneres-celebrated-in-d-c-as-winner-of-mark-twain-prize-for-american-humor/

Congrats to Ellen. She deserves it.

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romoney has more positions than the kama sutra

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I guess Getalife didn’t have a response to what dems were doing out in California.

Big corps and unions attacking small business owners?

Talk about self-deportation.

Could be subversive xenophobia. Stranger things have happened out there.

Government stealing from distressed homeowners?

Since it’s dems what’s doin’ it….no protest from Getalife.

Alrighty din! Let the little man be damned in Cali!!!

schnirt

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“Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world. It’s their route to the sea.” mitt

Freaking out over Mali?

mitt is a joke.

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“romoney has more positions than the kama sutra”

Good one

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Mali? Yes, Mali:

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/23/4932236/hundreds-of-jihadists-pour-into.html

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Try to look at the positive to be happier.

Yep, I agree, Rasmussen and Gallup both have Romney over 50%, can’t get much better than that!

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md: “I don’t think it’s a good idea to raise taxes on everybody in a sluggish economy that is slowing down”

That’s exactly what they said to Bill Clinton. Amazingly, when he did raise taxes, the economy took off. And he presided over the longest PEACE time expansion is the history of the United States. Coincidence?

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And he presided over the longest PEACE time expansion is the history of the United States.

Mike, I think you got the wrong President there, should be Reagan holding that title.

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Kyle has claimed in his debate with Jay, that the Romney’s flip flops claims “that the Obama campaign tried to push” had not had really that much effect.

I wonder, how does or did Kyle know that?

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Were we not busy saving the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo during Clinton’s regime. How could it be called Peace Time, Mike. Slick Willie thinks highly of that war, as it brought us love and admiration, from all the Muslims throughout the world. Don’t you see how that conflict changed the world?

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“If we were to get into a trade war with China, who do you think would lose?”

last one……we’d both lose, as the reason our consumers buy all the cheap crap from offshore is because it’s all they can afford……….

Now out.

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Getalife:

@@: could you do us all a favor and post a link that backs up those claims?

I already did—The OC Register and WSJ.

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Nobody other than Romney can know now how Romney would govern if elected. He has shown himself to be so thoroughly unprincipled, that electing him would be buying a pig in a poke. His supporters certainly cannot say the same about Obama, after telling us all the time what his policies are.

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“Nobody other than Romney can know now how Romney would govern if elected.”

Actually, many people can, because many people have taken the time to research the overwhelmingly successful record Mitt Romney has as Governor of Massachusetts and running the Salt Lake City Games.

“He has shown himself to be so thoroughly unprincipled, that electing him would be buying a pig in a poke.”

Opinion. And wrong opinion to boot.

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People who think that being a Governor of Massachusetts and running the Salt Lake City Games shows what kinds of policy would Romney pursue as the President, after he has changed his position so thoroughly on most important issues during the campaign, would believe anything.

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People who think Romney has changed positions so many times based on cherry-picked and parsed sound bites are idiots.

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People who do not recognize Romney’s changes in position are idiots.

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If you think you are a car guy but write a op ed titled “Let Detroit go bankrupt” you have romnesia,

Knock out.

Down goes mitt in Ohio.

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list.

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“Where is the list of green companies that made it?”

I’m sure it should be easy to find.

It’s not as if it’s a long one.

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“I’m sure it should be easy to find.

It’s not as if it’s a long one.”

Prove it con.

Show me con.

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You are wrong Tiberius. Take the most recent well-publicized case of Sensa. There’s was a non-union shop. The company was wildly profitable. Yet, its owner — Bain Capital — decided to close the shop down and send it to China to make even more profits. That left 170 workers without jobs right here before Christmas. What’s more disgusting is that the American workers were forced to train their Chinese replacements. You are trying to paint this issue with a broad brush and you are wrong.

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Getalife:

It’s hard for me to be happy when so many families have lost their jobs or are in fear of losing their jobs.

I’m out for the night.

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“Face it, mitt lied and got called out and destroyed.”

And yet he didn’t.

On either point.

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“What’s more telling is that the right is so brainwashed that they believe that shipping jobs to a communist country is better than paying their own citizens a living wage.”

Define a “living wage”, mike.

Please use the “cause and effect” model to make your point. I’ll shoot it down when you’re done.

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The most important part of the story is that Sensata Technologies is profitable operating in Illinois. Net income last year was $355 million, up 16 percent from 2010. The company reported total revenues of $1.8 billion in 2011, up almost 19 percent from the year before. According to a company financial statement, “both 2011 net revenue and adjusted net income represent record levels for the company.”

Forget all that, we’re sending your jobs to China.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/12151-romneys-bain-capital-is-sending-many-jobs-to-china-the-day-before-the-election

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No, Tiberius, you answer the question I put to you in my 7:11 or admit defeat. It’s an easy question. You shouldn’t have any problem with that. It’s simple arithmetic. You’re just obfuscating.

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Too bad, mike.

And here I thought you might be here to learn something, but your mind is obviously closed tighter than a clam.

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“But you’re all so brainwashed by Rush,”

As usual, you’re wrong on that as well. I don’t listen to Rush.

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If Obama wins, it will be because the freedom to make “the choice” with regard to reproductive rights was seen as at great risk if Mitt Romney/or any Republican won. Allowing the Governor of Virginia to be the primary author of this year’s Republican Convention platform, given what Virginia nearly passed into law (requiring the most intrusion/ invasive/transvaginal type of ultrasound), did not go unnoticed by women, who care deeply about their rights.

The Republican party has tried to spin this election as a referendum on the slow recovery of our world wide economy. China’s cheating and Obama let him get away with it. Romney holds the secret to increasing take home pay, and jump starting the US and North America economies. Just wished he had shared it with members of Congress, earlier. I understand he wants to eliminate taxes on most of his investment income, and others. Wondered who might that might impact the most, and how many decades before the monies held in the Caymans make it back to America?

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I want each and every one of you to think about what is going to happen to those 170 workers who have been laid off from the Sensata Technologies plant. Once their unemployment runs out, (or before) they will be forced to take a minimum wage job (if they can find one). Minimum wage is $7.25/hr. (or around $14,000 a year or $1,166 a month. Let’s see how far that $1,166 goes. Subtract $800 for rent. Subtract $300 for a car payment. Well, now we have $66 to pay for groceries, health insurance, utilities, medical expenses, etc. Any questions?

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“If Obama wins, it will be because the freedom to make “the choice” with regard to reproductive rights was seen as at great risk if Mitt Romney/or any Republican won”

I believe that the majority of women of child-bearing age are now pro-life rather than pro-death.

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“The Republican party has tried to spin this election as a referendum on the slow recovery of our world wide economy.”

Spin, Liz? As in, there isn’t a slow recovery going on?

Most normal people would call it a fact, Liz.

“Romney holds the secret to increasing take home pay, and jump starting the US and North America economies. Just wished he had shared it with members of Congress, earlier.”

Actually, it’s no secret, Liz, and Congress knows what it is. However, there’s a little blockade in the road called the U.S. Senate and a Presidential veto waiting after that. But don’t worry; at least one of those will be fixed in January of 2013.

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” The last time I checked Obama doesn’t own any companies. Unlike Romney and Bain Capital.”

. . . and we ALL know that he has no influence on work awarded by the fed, and he has no impact on either bailout or stimulus spending.

Nice no-answer . . .

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Why can’t Mitt own companies?

It’s not as if he doesn’t own Obama right now . . .

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“Attacking me is not a policy, Mr. President” – Mitt Romney, October 22, 2012

President Obama, meet your Daddy . . .

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“That kind of puerile, imbecilic comment is about what I would expect from you.”

So I guess that would be a “No”, mike?

Thanks.

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I think you on the right are counting your chickens before they hatch.

I’ve got Obama with 201 locked in.
Add Iowa with 6
add Mighigan with 16
add Nevada with 6
add New Hampshire with 4
add Ohio with 18
add Pennsylvania with 20
add Wisconsin with 10.

That gives President Barack Obama 281 electoral college votes. More than the 270 needed to win.

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“I’ve got Obama with 201 locked in.”

. . . and you also believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus!

By the way, I wasn’t speaking of Biden when I mentioned the Tooth Fairy!

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cc: “‘I’ve got Obama with 201 locked in.’

. . . and you also believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus!”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Here’s your tooth fairy, cc. Enjoy.

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Illogical? Or unable to comprehend?

Where do you need help? I’m more than willing to help you see the light.

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Better fasten your seat belts, Cons, cause the libs are fixing to go full metal spastic and there’s no telling how deep it will get.

ew

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md: I want you to go back and re-read your 8:25. That is the definition of pretzel logic. In other words, complete nonsense!

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I think outsourcing is a bad thing but in many ways, I also believe we’re doing it to ourselves. How many people here check labels for country of origin, when buying something? If so, does it affect what you buy? Anybody ever think about that when they’re in the big box stores?

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HD: that’s a great argument. However, it is of no use to check labels when literally everything is imported from low-wage companies. Recently when I bought new tires, I called and called and found Cooper tires which were “Made in the USA.” If there were cheaper imported tires, I didn’t care. They weren’t cheap, by the way.

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Hillbilly

I look to see where these products are made and often it is impossible to find that item made in America. So many products are new and they were never made in this country, i.e. I-pads, tablets, smart phones. Hard to get something back that you never had to begin with.

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Rafe

That’s a good point but I buy very little electronic stuff. None of us can buy 100% U.S. made stuff but I do, as much as I can find. I’d rather pay a little more and keep folks working than to pay taxes for unemployment, etc.

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Rafe: fill me in. What happened in Albany?

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OK, Rafe: Cooper closed it’s Albany, GA plant but moved production to Tupelo MS. That was back in 2008. In 2008! Just be glad they kept production in their 3 U.S. plants.

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Rafe: “I’m afraid you can’t blame the terrible world wide economy on outsourcing.”

Oh, yes I can! If you take a man’s job away who’s making $25/hr ($50,000/yr) and give to another man who’s making $200/mo ($2,400/yr), then you have just destroyed $47,600 of worldwide demand. This is just simple arithmetic. Now multiply that one man by millions and millions of men worldwide you begin to get the picture.

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Rafe

Don’t blame it all on the government. Based on your example, seems that company was going to do exactly what they wanted to do

And they did it.

What exact roll did the government play in making them play Albany as you claim they did?

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Mike,

If we built everything here in the US for the union wages you are talking about then your $50,000 a year job would only be worth the $14,000 a year when you add the increase in prices of all good and services.

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Hi, Kyle. I don’t come here often because some of your posters really scare me. Just want to let you know that I appreciated your debate with Jay which gave me a better picture of you as a thinking man & I have a better understanding of why you sometimes have to shut down your blog. I hope you & Jay will do this again. Getting more than one view of a subject benefits all.

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“GOP SENATE CANDIDATE: RAPE PREGNANCIES ‘SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED TO HAPPEN’” Aol headline

Your thoughts cons?

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My thoughts are that anyone still using AOL is stuck in the 1980’s

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@Tiberius…”People who think Romney has changed positions so many times based on cherry-picked and parsed sound bites are idiots.”

Really? Here I thought the idiots were those without the intellectual capacity to understand that statements like…

“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.” Mitt Romney 1994 live debate vs Ted Kennedy
 
And
 
“yes I would sign a federal ban on all abortions” Mitt Romney 2012 live debate in GOP Primary season

are diametrically opposed.

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Romney’s “beliefs” depend on which office he seeks and whether he runs in a primary or general election campaign.

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“The key word you and the mindless myrmidons on the left continue to omit in the discussion about Romney’s stance on abortion is “funding”.”

Romney:
“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.”
“yes I would sign a federal ban on all abortions”

I wonder where the key word “funding” is hidden in those statements, which do not even remotely refer to the question of funding.

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What is the big difference in Romney evolving on abortion and Obama evolving on same sex marriage? I could post contradictory quotes from Obama on same sex marriage.

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but that’s why I’m here; because I have no friends cause I have a nasty habit of talking down to everyone – no matter who they are.

fixed yer typo. You’re welcome.

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Liberal heads are about to explode.

Rasmussen has Romney and Obama tied 48%-48% today in Ohio.

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Finn, I can say the same about the Mistake. On the debates he is a centrist, who talks tough on foreign policy, and actually mentions the deficit and fiscal responsibility. On the stump, he is all about class warfare, tax the rich, never mentions the deficit or debt, never mentions foreign policy, and complains about how unfair America is. When he is overseas, he apologizes for American action and gives the impression of an appeaser. When he talks to Wall Street, he sounds like a wealthy industrialist or a banker. A man for all seasons, is Barry.

So, the choice is a flawed candidate or a flawed President. You have an employee at work, who despite much counseling and instruction is just not getting the job done after four years and his action is harming the company’s prospects. First decision, should be to let him go. Then you worry about who you hire to replace him. The Marlins decided that they just could not get better anytime soon with Ozzie Guillen, did they worry about finding someone else, before they fired him. Nope, fire him and then start looking. We have a candidate who has demonstrated his excellent ability to be successful at anything he has tried. A great candidate on tap, no need to tarry with the firing.

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The Romney on national television, on the other hand, is more of a centrist who accepts that he has 100% of his base’s vote so they should ignore him at the moment.

Yep, someone I heard yesterday agreed with you. He said it looked like Romney had his base sewed up and was working on the undecideds. He said it looked like Obama was trying to rally his base. He said if you are worried about your base, at this late point, you are in trouble. Yes Romney sounded Presidential, Barry sounded like a candidate trying to make up a big support deficit.

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“I am not interested in your “arguments.”

Of course you’re not, MarkV.

Arguments require information (which you refuse to accept) and intelligence (which you do not possess).

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“but that’s why I’m here; to correct your deficiencies in knowledge across a whole spectrum of issues.”

Translation: I have already any friends, no hobbies and have nothing better to do, except play blog bully because it makes me feel better about myself.

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@Tiberius…”The key word you and the mindless myrmidons on the left continue to omit in the discussion about Romney’s stance on abortion is “funding”.”

O’ Dear the Grand Poohbah of Tiberiusville (an alternate reality where Tiberius is ALWAYS right) has spoken….please dear sir could you point out the missing word for me?

“In a televised debate, Romney was asked “If Roe vs. Wade was overturned and Congress passed a federal ban on all abortions and it came to your desk, would you sign it, yes or no?”"

“Let me say it. I’d be delighted to sign that bill,” Romney said.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20121019/ELECTIONS/121019013/PolitiFact-guide-Mitt-Romney-abortion?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

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I think the liberal’s obsession with getting Obama re-elected all boils down to avoiding embarrassment.

They went out on a limb by electing the least qualified person to ever run for President from one of the two major parties based on the dumbest slogan ever – “Hope and Change”

Now, despite 4 years of failure after failure, and a record even the President himself hasn’t run on, they’re facing the realization that the rest of America has finally caught on to this charade. They see a surging Romney, someone they and their slobbering minions in the media created as this unlikeable, uncaring corporate vulture caricature taking the lead with days to go, and they’re in denial.

How can our Messiah be losing to this guy?

Well, when you don’t run against the real guy, and only focus on the caricature you created, reality rises up and bites you on the behind. And when you don’t have a record to run on, and the only strategy is to tear down the other guy, you’d better be going after the real guy and not your fantasy creation.

‘Cause the real guy just showed up, and he’s nothing like your creation. He’s talking about jobs, the economy and the future, while you’re stuck on Big Bird, binders and Romnesia.

Romney goes big, and your guy stays small.

No wonder you’re coming unglued.

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Howdy from Denver, gang. So BHO won the last debate and now we must endure another fortnight to see if Willard can pull this thing out of his ***. Good times and hang tough, cons. 2016 will be here before you know it…

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Let’s keep it simple for the libs out there, since you have neither the intellectual capacity nor the patience to do actual research on important issues.

Vote for Obama.

The rest of us will save the country by doing our jobs and thinking before we vote.

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@Tiberius…interesting article. I have been familiar with the premise for some time. As a matter of fact I have and continue to do a great deal of work in the corporate environment that helps people understand this sort of dynamic and improve their skills.

I suggest you spend a lot of time analyzing these two points in the context of your life.

“people are self-delusional when it comes to their own intellectual skills.”

“To the extent that you are incompetent, you are a worse judge of incompetence in other people,”

As for me, I am one of the most well tested and vetted people you will every encounter. I know EXACTLY where I rate on the bell curve on a variety of things ranging from raw intelligence to critical thinking to an ability to make decisions on limited data.

My big blind spot…I really struggle with those that are shall we say…a bit slower.

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@Tibierus…”What part of “Most intelligent people actually read position papers, work their way through tedious but necessary transcripts, and look for layers of thought when figuring out who they are going to vote for.” did you NOT understand?”

No part…found any mention of funding yet…nope didn’t think so.

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JDW

Let Tiberius have his fun. It makes him feel better about himself.

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Mark, JDW, yes, Romney has changed his mind on positions, but his opponent is also a flip/flopper, like a beached perch on the sand. Just a few examples,
He believed that legislation should be discussed on C-Span, before the vote.
He believed in traditional marriage
He believed that Bush was unpatriotic and irresponsible for creating a 4.5 T deficit, now……………
He believed in ‘transparency”, now he is deceptive and secretive.
He believed in gun control until he “evolved” and now “says” he supports the second Amendment, a political conversion, much like Romney’s conversion on Abortion, as he ran for MA governor. Most everyone with a working brain, knows that Barry is lying about his second amendment support.

I just don’t see much difference in their “consistency”.

So, we are left deciding, do we want to reelect someone who has proven to be a failure, or try someone else. If all you have is the flip/flop argument, you have run out of arguments, that one is a draw, at best.

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