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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:44 pm
“Vice President Biden told the truth then laughed in ryan’s face.”
And yet Romney’s poll numbers continue to climb.
Looks like America isn’t buying yours or Biden’s so-called “truth”, getalife.
cc
October 23rd, 2012
7:46 pm
” The last time I checked Obama doesn’t own any companies. Unlike Romney and Bain Capital.”
. . . and we ALL know that he has no influence on work awarded by the fed, and he has no impact on either bailout or stimulus spending.
Nice no-answer . . .
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:46 pm
Hey, mike, have you figured out whether Sensata is making any profit yet?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:47 pm
Why can’t Mitt own companies?
It’s not as if he doesn’t own Obama right now . . .
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:49 pm
Tiberius: “Hey, mike, have you figured out whether Sensata is making any profit yet?”
That kind of puerile, imbecilic comment is about what I would expect from you.
Nothing to say, just noise.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:51 pm
“Attacking me is not a policy, Mr. President” – Mitt Romney, October 22, 2012
President Obama, meet your Daddy . . .
cc
October 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm
Tib, Mitt owns Obama lock, stock and barrel. Next, he will training Obama to sit up and beg!
Oh, I forgot! Obama is already begging . . . for another four years because he hasn’t completed the destruction of America yet.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm
“That kind of puerile, imbecilic comment is about what I would expect from you.”
So I guess that would be a “No”, mike?
Thanks.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:56 pm
Well, it’s time to get a quick snack and sit down to watch the CBS Tuesday night lineup – the best on TV.
Keep misrepresenting Romney, getalife and mike (and could you guys please learn to use capital letters?) and I’ll be back later tomorrow to debunk them all with facts.
I’d say you know what facts are, but you really don’t.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:01 pm
I think you on the right are counting your chickens before they hatch.
I’ve got Obama with 201 locked in.
Add Iowa with 6
add Mighigan with 16
add Nevada with 6
add New Hampshire with 4
add Ohio with 18
add Pennsylvania with 20
add Wisconsin with 10.
That gives President Barack Obama 281 electoral college votes. More than the 270 needed to win.
md
October 23rd, 2012
8:06 pm
“The reason cheap crap from China is all our consumers can afford is because all of the decent paying jobs have been outsourced to China.”
Not quite……consumers dictate wages through their buying habits. It’s a simple concept……don’t buy it and it will not come.
Do you think all these companies shipping in their goods would be doing so if the consumer wasn’t buying them? The answer is obviously no……
And since we do buy all that stuff, we drive down the cost of goods……which does what? Yep, drives down wages……..OUR wages.
A good starting point if you want to read up on the truth:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/tdrc/hearings/09sept99/rscott.pdf
cc
October 23rd, 2012
8:09 pm
“I’ve got Obama with 201 locked in.”
. . . and you also believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus!
By the way, I wasn’t speaking of Biden when I mentioned the Tooth Fairy!
md
October 23rd, 2012
8:12 pm
And Mike, our quest for everything cheap started back in the 70’s……remember Datsun and Toyota?
Go to the chart on page 4 of that link and notice when our wages began their decline………
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:13 pm
cc: “‘I’ve got Obama with 201 locked in.’
. . . and you also believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus!”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Here’s your tooth fairy, cc. Enjoy.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
md: I don’t think I have ever read a more illogical post. So let me get this straight: all of you on the right are defending outsourcing. You really believe that outsourcing is good for this country? Be honest.
md
October 23rd, 2012
8:21 pm
Illogical? Or unable to comprehend?
Where do you need help? I’m more than willing to help you see the light.
md
October 23rd, 2012
8:22 pm
Let’s try it from another angle…..where do corporations get their “power”?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 23rd, 2012
8:23 pm
Better fasten your seat belts, Cons, cause the libs are fixing to go full metal spastic and there’s no telling how deep it will get.
ew
md
October 23rd, 2012
8:25 pm
And to answer your question, outsourcing can be good, depends on the situation. Our mutli-nationals have many plants/factories/etc all around the globe, and they ship the product back here to a waiting employee group that may not have jobs if those plants weren’t out there……the number of jobs may depend on the cost of making the product.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:35 pm
md: I want you to go back and re-read your 8:25. That is the definition of pretzel logic. In other words, complete nonsense!
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm
md: “they ship the product back here to a waiting employee group that may not have jobs if those plants weren’t out there.”
Wouldn’t they have jobs if the plants were here? No offense, but that has to be the dumbest argument I have ever heard — bar none.
Hillbilly D
October 23rd, 2012
8:40 pm
I think outsourcing is a bad thing but in many ways, I also believe we’re doing it to ourselves. How many people here check labels for country of origin, when buying something? If so, does it affect what you buy? Anybody ever think about that when they’re in the big box stores?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
8:46 pm
mike
You outsource to make money (profit). You say that is a short term gain, because workers here will not be able to afford the product if they lose their job. That is your argument, but here is where it fails.
WE LIVE IN A WORLDWIDE ECONOMY NOW!!!!!!
You guys bring this up constantly when oil is involved, but can’t seem to grasp the same concept when the product is kitchen faucets.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:47 pm
HD: that’s a great argument. However, it is of no use to check labels when literally everything is imported from low-wage companies. Recently when I bought new tires, I called and called and found Cooper tires which were “Made in the USA.” If there were cheaper imported tires, I didn’t care. They weren’t cheap, by the way.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm
Outsourcing is not good, but profit is what runs this country. Without profit, there is no America. If you can make your goods overseas and make a profit and sell them in India or Europe at a profit, you have done good. No business exists long unless they figure a way to sell something for more than it costs to produce, and yes taxes are a cost.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
8:52 pm
Hillbilly
I look to see where these products are made and often it is impossible to find that item made in America. So many products are new and they were never made in this country, i.e. I-pads, tablets, smart phones. Hard to get something back that you never had to begin with.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:54 pm
Rafe: first of all the arguments you make are all valid. But if you read a lot you begin to realize that the worldwide economy is in a slowdown. One which I firmly believe is due to the fact that outsourcing has reached that critical mass where worldwide demand has been severely impacted. It’s an inescapable conclusion that cannot be avoided. I believe that the collapse of the housing bubble was, in part, due to this reduction in demand. Especially since outsourcing went into high gear with the admittance of China into the WTO and our MFN (most favored nation) treatment of China in the early 2000s.
Hillbilly D
October 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm
Rafe
That’s a good point but I buy very little electronic stuff. None of us can buy 100% U.S. made stuff but I do, as much as I can find. I’d rather pay a little more and keep folks working than to pay taxes for unemployment, etc.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
Ask the people of Albany, GA if they would buy Cooper Tires, even though they are made in America, after what Cooper did to that community.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
8:58 pm
Rafe: fill me in. What happened in Albany?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
9:01 pm
mike
I’m afraid you can’t blame the terrible world wide economy on outsourcing. I think that Government has caused most of the economic problems, too much demand for government services adn entitlements, not enough wealth to pay for all that excess.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm
OK, Rafe: Cooper closed it’s Albany, GA plant but moved production to Tupelo MS. That was back in 2008. In 2008! Just be glad they kept production in their 3 U.S. plants.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
9:06 pm
Cooper announced that they were going to close a plant and said they couldn’t make up their mind which to close. They had Albany compete with a plant in MS, to see who could give them the most benefits and cater to their needs. Albany went overboard catering to what they wanted and was told they were in the lead. Turns out the decision had been to close the Albany plant from the get go. They played with the emotions of the community and the workers. This whole threat to close went on for more than a year. I have forgot many of the details, but Albany may have had higher wages/union?, not sure, but they knew all along that they were going with MS, as the plant there was cheaper to operate. They were the largest employer in Albany, so hundreds of people were left unemployed.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
9:09 pm
Rafe: “I’m afraid you can’t blame the terrible world wide economy on outsourcing.”
Oh, yes I can! If you take a man’s job away who’s making $25/hr ($50,000/yr) and give to another man who’s making $200/mo ($2,400/yr), then you have just destroyed $47,600 of worldwide demand. This is just simple arithmetic. Now multiply that one man by millions and millions of men worldwide you begin to get the picture.
Hillbilly D
October 23rd, 2012
9:13 pm
Rafe @ 9:06
That sounds like the same games these plants play when they get tax breaks out of state and local governments. They know all along where they’re going to put it and then they approach another community or two and play them all for suckers.
Free Market
October 23rd, 2012
9:17 pm
Rafe
Don’t blame it all on the government. Based on your example, seems that company was going to do exactly what they wanted to do
And they did it.
What exact roll did the government play in making them play Albany as you claim they did?
Free Market
October 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm
HillBilly D
Exactly. It is just a leverage ploy to get the best deal they can get from the already picked site location.
td
October 23rd, 2012
9:31 pm
Mike,
If we built everything here in the US for the union wages you are talking about then your $50,000 a year job would only be worth the $14,000 a year when you add the increase in prices of all good and services.
td
October 23rd, 2012
9:34 pm
Mike,
We live in a world economy and have to compete with world wages. Unskilled labor is not worth $25 per hour on the world market. Plain and simple.
G Mare
October 23rd, 2012
10:20 pm
Hi, Kyle. I don’t come here often because some of your posters really scare me. Just want to let you know that I appreciated your debate with Jay which gave me a better picture of you as a thinking man & I have a better understanding of why you sometimes have to shut down your blog. I hope you & Jay will do this again. Getting more than one view of a subject benefits all.
adam smith's invisible hand
October 23rd, 2012
11:15 pm
So, now that Romney has endorsed Obama’s foreign and domestic policies, I guess everyone will be voting for Obama.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
11:16 pm
“GOP SENATE CANDIDATE: RAPE PREGNANCIES ‘SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED TO HAPPEN’” Aol headline
Your thoughts cons?
Kandy Krowley
October 23rd, 2012
11:39 pm
Romney will win Georgia. If you live in Georgia, go to bed. It’s over here. I tried to help him, just check the transcript.
Love Kandy
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 24th, 2012
7:07 am
My thoughts are that anyone still using AOL is stuck in the 1980’s
@@
October 24th, 2012
7:24 am
Your thoughts cons?
He’s obviously a Calvinist as was John Brown, the abolishionist.
John Brown’s body lies a-moulderin’ in the grave
Predestination vs Pervenient Grace. It gets complicated, Getalife.
Perhaps you should attend church to learn the difference?
The candidate should’ve responded with something similar. i.e…”I’m running for political office, if you want an answer to a moral question, join me in church.”
The political “gotchas” serve no one.
JDW
October 24th, 2012
7:53 am
@Tiberius…”People who think Romney has changed positions so many times based on cherry-picked and parsed sound bites are idiots.”
Really? Here I thought the idiots were those without the intellectual capacity to understand that statements like…
“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.” Mitt Romney 1994 live debate vs Ted Kennedy
And
“yes I would sign a federal ban on all abortions” Mitt Romney 2012 live debate in GOP Primary season
are diametrically opposed.
stands for decibels
October 24th, 2012
8:23 am
late to this, but md, if you’re around:
I guess it wasn’t as obvious as intended, but even that process was voted on…….the “people” had the option of showing up in droves to make the difference……one side chose not to.
Believe me, I have spent plenty of time berating those who couldn’t be bothered to get off their ass and vote in 2010, the folks who decided that would be a great time to haz a sad that Obama didn’t personally deliver ponies to their doors… “like he promised!”
/drive-by
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
8:47 am
Romney’s “beliefs” depend on which office he seeks and whether he runs in a primary or general election campaign.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 24th, 2012
8:53 am
JDW, your capacity to understand the English language using cherry-picked sound bites remains diminished at best.
The key word you and the mindless myrmidons on the left continue to omit in the discussion about Romney’s stance on abortion is “funding”.
I know that the nuances of intelligent conversation are lost on you, but that’s why I’m here; to correct your deficiencies in knowledge across a whole spectrum of issues.
You’re welcome, btw.
MarkV
October 24th, 2012
9:03 am
“The key word you and the mindless myrmidons on the left continue to omit in the discussion about Romney’s stance on abortion is “funding”.”
Romney:
“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.”
“yes I would sign a federal ban on all abortions”
I wonder where the key word “funding” is hidden in those statements, which do not even remotely refer to the question of funding.