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mike
October 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm
md: “I definitely think it is a bad idea to get in a trade war over tariffs……..”
md: let me ask you a question. If we were to get into a trade war with China, who do you think would lose? Conversely, we have everything to gain from a trade war with China since they are killing our country.
MarkV
October 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm
Kyle has claimed in his debate with Jay, that the Romney’s flip flops claims “that the Obama campaign tried to push” had not had really that much effect.
I wonder, how does or did Kyle know that?
MarkV
October 23rd, 2012
5:54 pm
And perhaps even more importantly, what does it say about Kyle that the flip flops do not bother him?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
5:55 pm
Were we not busy saving the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo during Clinton’s regime. How could it be called Peace Time, Mike. Slick Willie thinks highly of that war, as it brought us love and admiration, from all the Muslims throughout the world. Don’t you see how that conflict changed the world?
md
October 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm
You might want to read up on those Clinton tax hikes, the economy wasn’t exactly as dormant as it is now………and then check the growth AFTER the tax cuts in 1997. I think you have some faulty info.
Going home……..
md
October 23rd, 2012
5:58 pm
“If we were to get into a trade war with China, who do you think would lose?”
last one……we’d both lose, as the reason our consumers buy all the cheap crap from offshore is because it’s all they can afford……….
Now out.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 23rd, 2012
5:58 pm
MarkV
What does it say, about MarkV, that Obama’s evolution (that is what he calls his flip/flops) on issues does not bother him?
@@
October 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm
Getalife:
@@: could you do us all a favor and post a link that backs up those claims?
I already did—The OC Register and WSJ.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
md: “the reason our consumers buy all the cheap crap from offshore is because it’s all they can afford…”
Now the irony in statement is overwhelming. Let’s turn that statement around shall we?
The reason cheap crap from China is all our consumers can afford is because all of the decent paying jobs have been outsourced to China.
MarkV
October 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm
Nobody other than Romney can know now how Romney would govern if elected. He has shown himself to be so thoroughly unprincipled, that electing him would be buying a pig in a poke. His supporters certainly cannot say the same about Obama, after telling us all the time what his policies are.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
“Kyle has claimed in his debate with Jay, that the Romney’s flip flops claims “that the Obama campaign tried to push” had not had really that much effect.
I wonder, how does or did Kyle know that?”
Because Kyle can actually read polls, MarkV. Months of attacking Romney, and all it took was ONE debate to destroy the entirety of the Obama attack machine.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:21 pm
“Nobody other than Romney can know now how Romney would govern if elected.”
Actually, many people can, because many people have taken the time to research the overwhelmingly successful record Mitt Romney has as Governor of Massachusetts and running the Salt Lake City Games.
“He has shown himself to be so thoroughly unprincipled, that electing him would be buying a pig in a poke.”
Opinion. And wrong opinion to boot.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:23 pm
“The reason cheap crap from China is all our consumers can afford is because all of the decent paying jobs have been outsourced to China.”
Let’s see if mike can play the “Cause and Effect” game.
What caused those jobs to go overseas, mikey? Hint: It is a one-word answer that begins with the letter “U”.
MarkV
October 23rd, 2012
6:29 pm
People who think that being a Governor of Massachusetts and running the Salt Lake City Games shows what kinds of policy would Romney pursue as the President, after he has changed his position so thoroughly on most important issues during the campaign, would believe anything.
MarkV
October 23rd, 2012
6:31 pm
Polls a half day after the debate – yeh, sure, they are telling us.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
People who think Romney has changed positions so many times based on cherry-picked and parsed sound bites are idiots.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Polls like Gallup are tends, MarkV. Just like Rasmussen’s. Over time, they tell a narrative of where a campaign is heading.
Add into the mix the one-time polls following the debates, which showed ZERO movement in how the electorate feels, and the tea leaves are looking better and better for a Romney victory.
Bob Beckel knows politics, and even HE says that if Romney stays above his current 50+% number, it will be almost impossible for Obama to win. Internal polls (usually more accurate than public polls) are beginning to be discussed in the media, and they are unanimously bad news for Obama.
In short, a picture is being painted of a Romney ascendency, and an Obama decline.
And that is only good for America.
MarkV
October 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
People who do not recognize Romney’s changes in position are idiots.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
Tiberius: “What caused those jobs to go overseas, mikey? Hint: It is a one-word answer that begins with the letter “U”.”
Try short-term profits. Short-sighted policy. That policy is coming home to roost. Notice the stock market down by 250 points today. Outsourcing jobs can’t help but outsource demand. There’s no getting around it. Can you say the Law of Diminishing Returns?
By the way, Kyle, I hope you noticed that Tiberius called me by other than my log-in name.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
If you think you are a car guy but write a op ed titled “Let Detroit go bankrupt” you have romnesia,
Knock out.
Down goes mitt in Ohio.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
@@,
Where is the lost of green companies that made it?
Think positive @@.
Be happy.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
list.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
mikey, you listed “effects”, not causes.
Man up and admit the cause.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
“Where is the list of green companies that made it?”
I’m sure it should be easy to find.
It’s not as if it’s a long one.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
“What caused those jobs to go overseas”
Cheap labor to increase profits.
Duh.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
“I’m sure it should be easy to find.
It’s not as if it’s a long one.”
Prove it con.
Show me con.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Face it, mitt lied and got called out and destroyed.
He lost.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
You are wrong Tiberius. Take the most recent well-publicized case of Sensa. There’s was a non-union shop. The company was wildly profitable. Yet, its owner — Bain Capital — decided to close the shop down and send it to China to make even more profits. That left 170 workers without jobs right here before Christmas. What’s more disgusting is that the American workers were forced to train their Chinese replacements. You are trying to paint this issue with a broad brush and you are wrong.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm
My apologies. The name of the company is Sensata Technologies if you want to Google it.
@@
October 23rd, 2012
6:56 pm
Getalife:
It’s hard for me to be happy when so many families have lost their jobs or are in fear of losing their jobs.
I’m out for the night.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
And you ALMOST got there, mikey!
And I had so much hope for you.
Do you think union wages paid in other shops don’t have an effect on wages in non-union shops, mike?
Cause and Effect. Something libs need schooling on each and every day.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
“Face it, mitt lied and got called out and destroyed.”
And yet he didn’t.
On either point.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
Tiberius: if you think a condescending or patronizing attitude is going to win any argument with me you are incorrect. It wouldn’t have mattered if those workers were making minimum wage, their jobs would have still be shipped to China.
What’s more telling is that the right is so brainwashed that they believe that shipping jobs to a communist country is better than paying their own citizens a living wage.
But, like I said, the outsourcing strategy is reaching is logical conclusion: a permanent destruction of demand in the developed countries of the world.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
“What’s more telling is that the right is so brainwashed that they believe that shipping jobs to a communist country is better than paying their own citizens a living wage.”
Define a “living wage”, mike.
Please use the “cause and effect” model to make your point. I’ll shoot it down when you’re done.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm
Well, let’s start with this, Tiberius: how much does it cost you to live every month? How much is your mortgage, your car payment, your health insurance, your grocery bills, your utilities? Add all of those up and give me a number.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:17 pm
The most important part of the story is that Sensata Technologies is profitable operating in Illinois. Net income last year was $355 million, up 16 percent from 2010. The company reported total revenues of $1.8 billion in 2011, up almost 19 percent from the year before. According to a company financial statement, “both 2011 net revenue and adjusted net income represent record levels for the company.”
Forget all that, we’re sending your jobs to China.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/12151-romneys-bain-capital-is-sending-many-jobs-to-china-the-day-before-the-election
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:17 pm
Once again, mike, you use “effect”.
Why are home prices so high?
Why do cars cost so much?
Why is health care so expensive?
Once you can answer the “why”, your enlightenment can begin.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm
No, Tiberius, you answer the question I put to you in my 7:11 or admit defeat. It’s an easy question. You shouldn’t have any problem with that. It’s simple arithmetic. You’re just obfuscating.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm
“Net income last year was $355 million, up 16 percent from 2010.”
Careful here, mike. “Net income” does not necessarily mean “profits”.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Too bad, mike.
And here I thought you might be here to learn something, but your mind is obviously closed tighter than a clam.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Tiberius: I personally feel really sorry for you. You and many of your brainwashed right-wingers are trying to defend the indefensible. There is no logical reason for outsourcing except for short-term, short-sighted greed.
But you’re all so brainwashed by Rush, etc. that you feel outsourcing is justified by those evil unions. Time to wake up, America, before your job</strong is outsourced.
Thankfully, outsourcing, like food poisoning is a self-limiting disease. Once enough demand is destroyed, corporate profits decline. We are now at that point.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm
“But you’re all so brainwashed by Rush,”
As usual, you’re wrong on that as well. I don’t listen to Rush.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm
Oh, and I’m early retired, too, so my job (as it were) can’t be outsourced.
You’re on a roll with being wrong tonight, mike.
Liz
October 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm
If Obama wins, it will be because the freedom to make “the choice” with regard to reproductive rights was seen as at great risk if Mitt Romney/or any Republican won. Allowing the Governor of Virginia to be the primary author of this year’s Republican Convention platform, given what Virginia nearly passed into law (requiring the most intrusion/ invasive/transvaginal type of ultrasound), did not go unnoticed by women, who care deeply about their rights.
The Republican party has tried to spin this election as a referendum on the slow recovery of our world wide economy. China’s cheating and Obama let him get away with it. Romney holds the secret to increasing take home pay, and jump starting the US and North America economies. Just wished he had shared it with members of Congress, earlier. I understand he wants to eliminate taxes on most of his investment income, and others. Wondered who might that might impact the most, and how many decades before the monies held in the Caymans make it back to America?
cc
October 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm
“There is no logical reason for outsourcing except for short-term, short-sighted greed.”
How does Obama explain HIS outsourcing?
I’m not going to play your “provide a cite” game. You can Google as well as any lib can (I’m strictly guessing at that).
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:39 pm
I want each and every one of you to think about what is going to happen to those 170 workers who have been laid off from the Sensata Technologies plant. Once their unemployment runs out, (or before) they will be forced to take a minimum wage job (if they can find one). Minimum wage is $7.25/hr. (or around $14,000 a year or $1,166 a month. Let’s see how far that $1,166 goes. Subtract $800 for rent. Subtract $300 for a car payment. Well, now we have $66 to pay for groceries, health insurance, utilities, medical expenses, etc. Any questions?
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Like Biden said, cons are full of bs.
No doubt about it.
Vice President Biden told the truth then laughed in ryan’s face.
That was the highlight of this cycle.
cc
October 23rd, 2012
7:41 pm
“If Obama wins, it will be because the freedom to make “the choice” with regard to reproductive rights was seen as at great risk if Mitt Romney/or any Republican won”
I believe that the majority of women of child-bearing age are now pro-life rather than pro-death.
mike
October 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm
cc: “How does Obama explain HIS outsourcing?”
cc: The last time I checked Obama doesn’t own any companies. Unlike Romney and Bain Capital.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm
“The Republican party has tried to spin this election as a referendum on the slow recovery of our world wide economy.”
Spin, Liz? As in, there isn’t a slow recovery going on?
Most normal people would call it a fact, Liz.
“Romney holds the secret to increasing take home pay, and jump starting the US and North America economies. Just wished he had shared it with members of Congress, earlier.”
Actually, it’s no secret, Liz, and Congress knows what it is. However, there’s a little blockade in the road called the U.S. Senate and a Presidential veto waiting after that. But don’t worry; at least one of those will be fixed in January of 2013.