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getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm
Bro,
Without government spending, we will go back to a recession like the EU.
I think we will add 12 million jobs if the gop do not screw it up like economists predicted.
Slow steady job growth is the best you can get after a financial collapse.
The key to help middle class spending is 12 million good paying jobs.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm
“The market got smacked right from the opening bell on Tuesday as the third quarter earnings season continues to come in even worse than expected. ”
Brosephus™
October 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm
Economy is going to limp along for sometime.
Considering there was a net 0% increase in new jobs in the 2000’s, limping along is an understatement.
Independent
October 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm
It has come down to voting for the lesser of 2 evils. Obama did not live up to all his 2008 promises but did a good job on national security and foreign affairs. Also Obama kept us from entering a deep economic depression but created a massive amount of debt. Romney initially appeared as a solid alternative but his changing positions on almost every issue – gun control; Roe vs Wade; mandated health care; spending; etc – rules him out for me since I have no idea now of where he really stands and what kind of policies he will pursue.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm
And once again get, the private sector has to generate the capital to pay for those gov’t jobs……and right now it looks as if they are going backwards……..hardly the time to ask them to shell out even more……….so your answer is to add how much to the credit card balance of 16 trillion??
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm
Bro
I have mentioned before that we have been limping for sometime now. While history is what it is, take away the military build up and technology push in the 80s, internet bubble of the 90s and housing / construction bubble of 2000s and we might have been in trouble for sometime.
Granted many people made some good money during those “bubbles”, but many individuals and businesses also saw and are seeing the downside now.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm
Our President recovered 5 million of the 9 million w lost.
Add 12 million in the next four years and we are still behind.
The w disaster has consequences.
We screwed up.
Don’t do it again.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm
” Romney initially appeared as a solid alternative but his changing positions on almost every issue – gun control; Roe vs Wade; mandated health care; spending; etc – rules him out for me since I have no idea now of where he really stands and what kind of policies he will pursue.”
Maybe you should read up on what HE says vs relying on the talking points from the media.
R v W……says his personal opinion is that abortion is wrong, but also says he will offer no legislation to change the law…….simple enough.
Mandated healthcare……….another simple concept, as he believes it should be up to each State, NOT shoved down our throats by the Feds………..
Brosephus™
October 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm
Without government spending, we will go back to a recession like the EU.
Well, that idea has been analyzed, and I don’t think many people would agree with the results.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/07/31/government-cutbacks-separate-this-expansion-from-others/
The recoveries and expansions that occurred in the Bush, Clinton and Reagan eras all saw government spending increase along with most other major drivers of growth. But in the current Obama recovery, which began in 2009, total public outlays have decreased at an annualized rate of 1.5%, according to a Dow Jones/Wall Street Journal analysis of newly revised government data.
In the previous five expansions, dating back to 1975, government spending grew a yearly average of 1.9%.
The current pull back in government spending, which is most pronounced at the state and local level, helps explain why on annualized basis, the gross domestic product has grown by just 2.2% since the recovery began. By that measure, the current rebound is the weakest of the post World War II era.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm
“We screwed up.”
yes we did, we should have listened to Bush way back in 2001 when he said there were major issues concerning Fannie and Freddie and we did nothing about them……….of course now they are in receivership, but a bit late for that.
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm
md
Actually Romney does have some “flip flops” on positions via his own words. He also has some positions were the Democrats say he changed but he didn’t.
Might be best for you to look them up an dnot rely on talking points yourself.
Granted I doubt there have been many running for Presidnet who didn’t “flip” on this or that issue, but Romney has been no differnt
Take a few minutes and look it up. Google can lead the way for you.
stands for decibels
October 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm
says he will offer no legislation to change the law…
And he’s also said he’d be delighted to sign a law that will surely be offered to him if there’s a majority in both Houses.
so… vote for Romney, because he probably won’t get a chance to do what he’d personally like to do? Ain’t working for me.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:35 pm
Bro,
It is true, we have decreased spending and that does not help.
It is what it is.
We have obstruction in congressional spending so our President has to act alone and the fed is out of bullets.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm
md,
Senator Dorgan predicted the collapse and wanted to act.
congress vote no.
Kandy Krowley
October 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.” – William F. Buckley
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
1:39 pm
md
Don’t be selective in your research. The information is out there and will not take long to locate.
You are welcome to defend it all you like. Say he meant this or that, however it will not change the facts that he has “flip flopped” on several issues.
Obama has done the same and it can also be located for easily.
Don’t let your rose colored glasses deter you from seeing the truth.
Not saying this in any effort to change your vote. Do not care who you vote for, but I am saying it because it is fact, regardless if you wish to admit and acknowledge it. It will not change either way.
@@
October 23rd, 2012
1:39 pm
TBs:
Oops! Sorry for the delay. It’s Tuesday after one of my difficult Mondays. The parents of my little charges aren’t as engaged as those I’ve had in the past. I am determined to get them engaged.
You have only to look at “Solutions” offered by Gingrich to see his innovative thought processes.
Socially moderate? Immigration…climate change to name a few.
It was, afterall, Gingrich who said this during his effort to establish a notable GOP majority in Congress:
“The Republican Party has to be the conservative party if it is to mobilize the 61 percent of the country which calls itself more conservative than liberal. However, this conservatism has to be moderate if the party is not to be isolated from the bulk of the population which rejects either extreme.”
Now you COULD say his enthusiasm (ego?) got the best of him in the end. That’s not to say his moderate approach to solve problems did.
Aquagirl:
Thrice-married?
That pretty much describes today’s family values. There are exceptions to the rule…me being one of them.
I’m outta here for now.
Brosephus™
October 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm
getalife
My position is this… let them (the GOP) do what they want to do. If they’re right, the country will improve and hopefully so will the lives of everyone here. If they’re wrong, the country will crash and those ideas will go the way of the dodo bird. Sometimes, you have to actually let people fail in order for them to realize the mistakes in their thinking. I’ve had people teach me lessons that way, and I’ve done the same thing to others. However, if they’re right, then those who think the GOP is wrong will have to rethink their own thought process.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm
“And he’s also said he’d be delighted to sign a law that will surely be offered to him if there’s a majority in both Houses.”
And there in lies the difference………..IF Congress takes it up and makes changes with majorities, then the people must have sent enough representatives to do so………..
curious
October 23rd, 2012
1:42 pm
I thought Romney said he’d sign in a law overturning Roe v Wade.
Also thought he recommended to Obama to use the Massachuetts law for healthcare.
Not sure what he wiould do. Are you?
He knows the best way to build the economy is to bomb Iran at the first suggestion of his Bush defense experts. WW3 will either get us to full employment or a few nukes from Russia will reduce the labor pool.
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
1:43 pm
@@
Climate change. He was for it before he was against it.
Lets be honest here. He said at one time he thought it was real, until he ran for President then he back tracked.
I would say he is a moderate on a few things, but overall he is a social conservative.
Thanks for the reply
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm
Bro,
We did that and it crashed. They did not learn anything.They want to do it again. Not going to happen.
We will focus on the middle class instead of Americans that need no help..
That is a change in focus like he did with aq.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:45 pm
TBS…….that post on was specific points brought up in the prior post. I addressed what he posted.
As for some shifting positions, I’m well aware that some positions change, or shall we say “evolve”, but let’s take them one at a time if you like.
They BOTH suck
October 23rd, 2012
1:45 pm
md
Nice spin on the “if”.
I give you credit, you can spin with the best of them when defending or deflecting any given Republican being discussed or the party in general. You are one of the best, no doubt
Have a great day.
Peace
curious
October 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm
What’s Romney’s position on Evolution?
Kyle Wingfield
October 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm
getalife: If government spending kept recessions at bay, European economies would never shrink.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm
“Nice spin on the “if”. ”
Merely reality……….and if done by congress, the will of a majority of people at that given point in time.
Unlike how Obamacare was handled……….using reconciliation in never a solution in my book and represents all that is wrong with Congress, regardless of which party uses it.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:53 pm
mitt and his wealthy friends will be just fine without any American or government help.
They don’t need it and it is waste.
Time to shift focus on Americans that could use some help.
romney says it but the gop never votes for it.
The choice is clear, vote to reelect the President and the dem party that actually votes to help the middle class.
Lets use some common sense folks.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm
Kyle,
You are still clinging to the idea Europe did not cut?
The people are protesting for nothing in Europe ?
Seriously?
Dusty
October 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm
Well, I did not watch last night’s debate of the two magnificents. . I guess there were no fireworks or I would have heard..
Kyle and Jay were smooth as silk. It’s downright despressing . No arguments!! (Kyle, what happened to your Southern accent? Did you lose it in Brussels?)
Let’s all send bouquets of beautiful flowers to Ohio. Tthe card will say “We love you. Let uis vote together!” Signed,” Your loving Republcans!”.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
1:58 pm
Kyle,
Not only did some of Europe cut, they raised taxes on the wealthy.
md
October 23rd, 2012
1:58 pm
Gee Get, didn’t Greece use that same common sense? Vote to give, and give, and give until the funds are all gone??
Yes, let’s use some common sense, starting with the fact that the private sector is the golden goose that lays the golden eggs and we need to make IT the priority, NOT the gov’t entity that makes no money.
Kyle Wingfield
October 23rd, 2012
1:59 pm
getalife: Clinging to … the data? Yes, yes I am.
And what’s more, European government spending has been high for decades now.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
2:00 pm
Dusty,
I know, mitt sounded like a dirty freaking hippie peace loving kumbaya singing liberal.
md
October 23rd, 2012
2:00 pm
“The people are protesting for nothing in Europe ?”
Actually, they are stomping their feet because they ran out of other peoples money and are still demanding more……….and they have their sights set on Germany.
You are a hoot.
Brosephus™
October 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm
If government spending kept recessions at bay, European economies would never shrink.
I don’t think it’s simply blanket spending, but I think it has more to do what or where the spending is done. Republicans have typically funded the increased spending into defense spending, which does create some jobs and it puts money back into the economy. The faster money circulates and the more of it there is to circulate will determine how fast the recovery comes.
Our economy isn’t influenced as much by manufacturing as it is by consumption. The more we spend, the better the economy does. I haven’t found anything to date that shows a difference in whether the money comes from the private or public sector. If the private sector isn’t spending/consuming, then somebody has to pick up the slack or we’ll never pick up out of a recession.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm
Kyle,
Yes,their spending was high like us.
Without government spending, what happens Kyle?
stands for decibels
October 23rd, 2012
2:03 pm
IF Congress takes it up and makes changes with majorities, then the people must have sent enough representatives to do so………..
“The people”, or the people who won the Great Redistricting Lottery of 2010?
Vote Democrat,,,Beats Using Your Brain
October 23rd, 2012
2:06 pm
Seems getalife has been drinking the class warfare Kool Aid Obama has been making, Thought he would have educated himself by now.
Dusty
October 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm
getalife,
Yes, the Europeans did make cuts. They have even dragged out the guillotine.
That may be a rumor but some guys in Mexico want to know if they can borrow the head whacke for more efficiency to get ahead. .(Whoops! Sorry! Just a weak moment..).
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm
Bro,
“If the private sector isn’t spending/consuming, then somebody has to pick up the slack or we’ll never pick up out of a recession.:
I would use the word depression but you got it right. The public sector does the spending or we get a depression like last time. Ben studied the depression and stop that gop austerity plan that failed in Europe.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
2:12 pm
Dusty,
They are already socialist so no need for head whacking.
That happens when the income and wealth gap is so large the people revolt.
If the gop win to grow that gap, it could happen here.
td
October 23rd, 2012
2:12 pm
If you ever want to see proof positive as to how much the LSM is in the pocket of Obama then all you have to do is watch this news story on CBS of an after debate group of undecided voters in Ohio.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/23/romney_wins_cbs_focus_group_in_ohio.html
md
October 23rd, 2012
2:13 pm
“Not only did some of Europe cut, they raised taxes on the wealthy.”
Yes, they did, and it is doing a fine job of scaring off businesses:
http://www.france24.com/en/20121007-rich-businessmen-pulling-out-france-tax-hit-looms
How about we do it here too? What say you Will Smith:
“Smith explained why he supported the idea of paying higher taxes, saying, “I have no issue with paying taxes and whatever needs to be done for my country to grow. I believe very firmly that my ability to sit here — I’m a black man who didn’t go to college, yet I get to travel around the world and sell my movies, and I believe very firmly that America is the only place on Earth that I could exist. So I will pay anything that I need to pay to keep my country growing.”
The interviewer then said, “Do you know how much in France you would have to pay on earnings above 1 million euros [French President Francois Hollande's proposal]? Not 30 percent – 75 percent.”
At that point, Smith said, “75? Yeah, that’s different, that’s different. Yeah, 75. Well, you know, God bless America.””
@@
October 23rd, 2012
2:14 pm
TBs:
When it comes to climate change, Newt’s only deviance from his original position was that it’s unproven that man in the sole contributor. In light of “Climategate” that’s true.
Cue the sofa ad where Pelosi said: “We need cleaner forms of energy…” In response, Newt had this to say: “If enough of us demand action from our leaders, we can spark the INNOVATION we need.” Nothing about Cap & Trade.
Alternative energy remains on his list of things to pursue.
Now enough about Gingrich, since he’s not the nominee.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
2:14 pm
Vote Dem,.
I agree vote Dem that vote to help the middle class but it is not class warfare.
The wealthy won that war.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm
md,
How else will pay for the collapse?
The only people that can afford it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 23rd, 2012
2:16 pm
“mitt said government should not help our President helped them.”
Mitt proved once again last night that Obama was lying about Mitt’s plan for GM, getalife.
Too bad you didn’t pay attention.
getalife
October 23rd, 2012
2:19 pm
“Mitt proved once again last night that Obama was lying about Mitt’s plan for GM, getalife.”
He lied. The only one that would loan the money to our auto industry was the government.
mitt said the government should not do it. Fact.
jconservative
October 23rd, 2012
2:21 pm
In looking at the Politico version of the Real Clear map and poll data I have Obama with 277 electoral votes if the election is today. I have Obama with Iowa, Ohio, Nevada and Wisconsin among the 9 close states. I have Colorado, New Hampshire and Virginia as to close to call.
As Kyle notes, 2 weeks is 2 weeks.