Round 2: Live thread for second Obama-Romney debate

UPDATE at 10:28 p.m.: Predicted sound-bite highlights of the night: Romney’s devastating rundown of the failed economic recovery the past four years, Obama’s comment that it’s “offensive” for Romney to suggest he and his administration weren’t forthright about Benghazi attacks. The former was the best, most sustained argument of the night from either man. The latter, a perfect way for Obama sympathizers to say “the president is back!” We’ll see which one — or something else — resonated the most with voters.

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UPDATE at 9:54 p.m.: One story line tomorrow will be the way Romney dinged George W. Bush for his budget deficits. And, also in his answer to the way he differs from Bush, says his party “has been focused on big business for too long” and should be more focused on small business. That answer flies in the face of one of Obama’s main lines of attack tonight.

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UPDATE at 9:36 p.m.: Obama says, “It’s just not true.” Romney says, “It’s absolutely true.” The topic doesn’t matter — it’s been like that all night. This one will go to the fact-checkers.

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UPDATE at 9:15 p.m.: So far, “aggressive Obama” sounds a lot like “lecturing Obama.” He also is making a big bet that viewers will believe his argument that Romney only cares about Big Business and “the rich.” We’ll see how well the two work as a combo.

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Will we finally see a second-term vision from President Obama tonight? That’s the advice from Democratic consultant extraordinaire James Carville’s firm, Democracy Corps:

The campaign has reached a tipping point where we believe the president has to offer a bold narrative, policies and choice if he is to win re-election and get to a substantial enough victory that enables him to govern and face the great challenges ahead. The first debate really did disrupt the race and presents a painful real-time test of what happens when the president tries to convince people of progress and offer a very modest vision of future change. Voters are not looking for continuity but changes that help the average Joe.

So far, Obama’s second-term vision consists of more of the things he did with Democratic majorities in Congress or would have accomplished, if it weren’t for those darn Republicans after the 2010 midterm “shellacking.” Put another way: leftovers.

Carville’s firm suggests he try something else — but in fact, the advice looks a lot like using better, more poll-tested ways of saying essentially what he’s been saying all along. This is a bit reminiscent of Obama’s customary excuse that he just hasn’t explained himself well enough. And if Obama does come out with new proposals tonight, will that be satisfactory to undecided voters — or will they see it as a cynical ploy this late in the game?

We shall see. The live-blogging will commence shortly after the debate does, and I’ll be tweeting my thoughts as well.

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361 comments Add your comment

ragnar danneskjold

October 16th, 2012
7:43 pm

In the event a faux-intellectual leftist ever publishes a disparaging note on “trickle-down” tax policy/economics/whatever, Dr. Sowell has published a foot-noted disproof of the leftist thesis.

http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf

Of course, since it is 12 pages long, not likely any leftist has sufficient cerebral power to stay focused so long, so it may be a waste of time to offer the referral.

Old Timer

October 16th, 2012
7:43 pm

Don’t forget tonight to get out your Old Crow to listen to an Old Pro talk to a Don’t Know (who had to leave his telepromter at the White House)

Hillbilly D

October 16th, 2012
7:48 pm

he just hasn’t explained himself well enough.

Explaining himself is his job, isn’t it?

Old Timer

October 16th, 2012
7:52 pm

Obamas spin on Bengazi should tell Americans where his priorities are. The president not being interested on the anniversary of 911 is unpardonable. Signing off until debate.

Del

October 16th, 2012
8:01 pm

Romney only needs to remain presidential and let Obama destroy himself. Obama destroyed himself in the first debate no need to help him recover in this the second debate.

Politico

October 16th, 2012
8:05 pm

Ragnar

How Christian of you to bestow such kind words on to others with different political views.

I’m sure sure your Jesus would say job well done

mike

October 16th, 2012
8:21 pm

Vote Republican. You lose, America. The one percent wins!

That’s your choice.

mike

October 16th, 2012
8:27 pm

How old are you? If you’re over 50 perhaps you should read this.

http://www.classwarfareexists.com/study-the-romneyryan-medicare-voucher-plan-will-cost-seniors-more-out-of-pocket/#axzz29UAUyMN6

I know who I’m going to vote for — ROMNEY! Wait a minute! Can I just think about that a minute?

mike

October 16th, 2012
8:33 pm

The stupidity of the American public never ceases to amaze me. It’s beyond comprehension.

cc

October 16th, 2012
8:40 pm

I’m torn between actually watching the debate or merely getting getalife’s play-by-play. I haven’t laughed much today so perhaps I’ll opt for the play-by-play.

JDW

October 16th, 2012
8:40 pm

@Ragnar…kind of appropriate your fairy tale is published by the Hoover Press…the legacy lives on!

td

October 16th, 2012
8:42 pm

mike

October 16th, 2012
8:33 pm

The stupidity of the American public never ceases to amaze me. It’s beyond comprehension.

It has already been proven that Obama has sowed up the moron vote so I do not know what you are talking about.

mike

October 16th, 2012
8:47 pm

Let me rub my crystal ball. Oh, crystal ball, what will come to pass if Romney’s elected?

A new multi-regional conflict will erupt in the Middle East involving Syria and Iran which will involve the Russians and Chinese (since their interests are intertwined with these countries).

To even begin to compete in this new multi-regional war, the United States will have to re-instate the draft and young people will have to go fight in a war they know nothing about.

There is the likely possibility that the United States will suffer another humiliating defeat a la Viet Nam at the hands of the Russians and Chinese.

The United States will lose status in the region and Israel will have grave doubts about their future existence.

Thank you crystal ball.

mike

October 16th, 2012
8:51 pm

td: you are just so much static. You have nothing to say.

cc

October 16th, 2012
8:54 pm

mike@8:51 pm:

Strange . . .

After reading your many posts, that is EXACTLY the conclusion I drew about you!

Thomas Heyward Jr

October 16th, 2012
8:56 pm

Real Men laugh at the two kabuki make-up-wearing clowns———————–
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Here’s what Johnson supporters had to say after the first presidential debate between Obama and Romney: “We didn’t see a debate tonight. We saw two slightly differing versions of defending the Republican and Democrat status quo that has given us war after war after war, a $16 trillion debt, and a government that is the answer to everything. Nowhere was there a real plan for reducing government, balancing the budget any time in the foreseeable future, or a path that will actually put Americans back to work.”

No doubt, Johnson supporters will say the same after debate #2 between Obama and Romney. Much like Ron Paul, Johnson has shown that he will keep fighting, regardless of being excluded from the debates.
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Here’s a hearty laugh and………………………………………………………….Forward Liberty!

mike

October 16th, 2012
8:56 pm

cc: Wonderful! Then you don’t have to worry about ever reading my posts again!

Politico

October 16th, 2012
8:57 pm

Thomas you actully bought into Alex and thought Paul was going to win………

hahahahha

:-)

Politico

October 16th, 2012
8:58 pm

Thomas

I agree with you that both the major candidates are bought and paid for, but when Ron Paul gets the balls you think he has and comes out from under the Repub umbrella, holla at me…….

:-)

iggy

October 16th, 2012
8:59 pm

PMSNBC has began their pre-debate spin and excuse making!!!

nelson

October 16th, 2012
9:00 pm

,4 minutes and counting,there will be “fire works” tonight
3 minutes and counting till blast off. Transparency and surveillance, let us go to street cam.
2 minutes and counting, this is it.
1 minute and counting, control center, retro rockets fring.
lift off, this is it.

Kyle Wingfield

October 16th, 2012
9:01 pm

Any minute now, and we’re under way.

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:02 pm

Candy Crowley…ACK!!!! I thought this was a debate, not MonsterFest.

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:04 pm

Be sure to learn Mandarin in college!

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:06 pm

There’s plenty of jobs in China!

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:07 pm

America: the country that sells hamburgers to each other.

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:08 pm

50,000 jobs? Good luck Part-timers.

Politico

October 16th, 2012
9:09 pm

iggy

Demeaning the appearance of the moderator only speaks to your shallowness and emptiness that you feel inside.

Seek help son

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:09 pm

12,000,000 new jobs! How many new McDonalds is that?

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:10 pm

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:11 pm

Go get ‘em Barack “attack dog” Obama! Wof! Wof!

Oh! ****! This is going to be a ***-whooping! Yeah!

JDW

October 16th, 2012
9:12 pm

Lol. Candy stuffs Mitt

cc

October 16th, 2012
9:12 pm

College graduate-to-be asked about his job future. Obama said he wanted to created more manufacturing jobs. Exactly what a college grad would be looking for!

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:12 pm

BIG CANDY is keeping control! “SHUT UP MITT!! You will get your turn….MISTER”

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:14 pm

Romney got off easy first time around. Ain’t going to happen this time around!

cc

October 16th, 2012
9:14 pm

Obama touting Chevy Volt! Thought they were bankrupt!

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:15 pm

Mitts kicking obama on energy.

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm

Whatever you do don’t conserve! SUVs don’t really use gas. They run on fresh air!

JDW

October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm

Ooowww…got coal

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm

Efficent cars? $40K Chevy Volt?

cc

October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm

Romney just nailed Obama on oil/gas production on federal lands, down 14% due to non-approval by Obama. Nailed him on coal, too!

Obama’s lying like hell!

His voice is rising . . . he’s gonna lose control!

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:19 pm

Uh! oh! A really donnybrook!

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:20 pm

Romney steals the conversation and puts Obama in his place….YEAH BABY!!

Bruno

October 16th, 2012
9:20 pm

Just getting started, but Romney seems to be in command already, with Obama acting defensively.

cc

October 16th, 2012
9:21 pm

Mitt is holding Obama’s feet to the fire, calling a lie an untruth!

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:22 pm

Obama hate pipelines aka jobs.

mike

October 16th, 2012
9:22 pm

Forget that demand has increased. Forget that the economy was in free-fall. Go get ‘em Barack! Woof! Woof! Woof!

No easy points, Romney!

DownInAlbany

October 16th, 2012
9:23 pm

Romney definitely in control.

JDW

October 16th, 2012
9:23 pm

Oppps….

The most recent average, during the Obama presidency, was  661.7 millions of barrels of oil. That compares with an annual average of 585.3 million barrels during President George W. Bush’s last three years. The point of presenting it this way? The White House was able to show a 13 percent improvement over the previous administration.

iggy

October 16th, 2012
9:23 pm

Watch out guys…BIG CANDY is gonna pull the Smackdown!