Round 2: Live thread for second Obama-Romney debate
UPDATE at 10:28 p.m.: Predicted sound-bite highlights of the night: Romney’s devastating rundown of the failed economic recovery the past four years, Obama’s comment that it’s “offensive” for Romney to suggest he and his administration weren’t forthright about Benghazi attacks. The former was the best, most sustained argument of the night from either man. The latter, a perfect way for Obama sympathizers to say “the president is back!” We’ll see which one — or something else — resonated the most with voters.
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UPDATE at 9:54 p.m.: One story line tomorrow will be the way Romney dinged George W. Bush for his budget deficits. And, also in his answer to the way he differs from Bush, says his party “has been focused on big business for too long” and should be more focused on small business. That answer flies in the face of one of Obama’s main lines of attack tonight.
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UPDATE at 9:36 p.m.: Obama says, “It’s just not true.” Romney says, “It’s absolutely true.” The topic doesn’t matter — it’s been like that all night. This one will go to the fact-checkers.
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UPDATE at 9:15 p.m.: So far, “aggressive Obama” sounds a lot like “lecturing Obama.” He also is making a big bet that viewers will believe his argument that Romney only cares about Big Business and “the rich.” We’ll see how well the two work as a combo.
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Will we finally see a second-term vision from President Obama tonight? That’s the advice from Democratic consultant extraordinaire James Carville’s firm, Democracy Corps:
The campaign has reached a tipping point where we believe the president has to offer a bold narrative, policies and choice if he is to win re-election and get to a substantial enough victory that enables him to govern and face the great challenges ahead. The first debate really did disrupt the race and presents a painful real-time test of what happens when the president tries to convince people of progress and offer a very modest vision of future change. Voters are not looking for continuity but changes that help the average Joe.
So far, Obama’s second-term vision consists of more of the things he did with Democratic majorities in Congress or would have accomplished, if it weren’t for those darn Republicans after the 2010 midterm “shellacking.” Put another way: leftovers.
Carville’s firm suggests he try something else — but in fact, the advice looks a lot like using better, more poll-tested ways of saying essentially what he’s been saying all along. This is a bit reminiscent of Obama’s customary excuse that he just hasn’t explained himself well enough. And if Obama does come out with new proposals tonight, will that be satisfactory to undecided voters — or will they see it as a cynical ploy this late in the game?
We shall see. The live-blogging will commence shortly after the debate does, and I’ll be tweeting my thoughts as well.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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ragnar danneskjold
October 16th, 2012
7:43 pm
In the event a faux-intellectual leftist ever publishes a disparaging note on “trickle-down” tax policy/economics/whatever, Dr. Sowell has published a foot-noted disproof of the leftist thesis.
http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf
Of course, since it is 12 pages long, not likely any leftist has sufficient cerebral power to stay focused so long, so it may be a waste of time to offer the referral.
Old Timer
October 16th, 2012
7:43 pm
Don’t forget tonight to get out your Old Crow to listen to an Old Pro talk to a Don’t Know (who had to leave his telepromter at the White House)
Hillbilly D
October 16th, 2012
7:48 pm
he just hasn’t explained himself well enough.
Explaining himself is his job, isn’t it?
Old Timer
October 16th, 2012
7:52 pm
Obamas spin on Bengazi should tell Americans where his priorities are. The president not being interested on the anniversary of 911 is unpardonable. Signing off until debate.
Del
October 16th, 2012
8:01 pm
Romney only needs to remain presidential and let Obama destroy himself. Obama destroyed himself in the first debate no need to help him recover in this the second debate.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
8:05 pm
Ragnar
How Christian of you to bestow such kind words on to others with different political views.
I’m sure sure your Jesus would say job well done
mike
October 16th, 2012
8:21 pm
Vote Republican. You lose, America. The one percent wins!
That’s your choice.
mike
October 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
How old are you? If you’re over 50 perhaps you should read this.
http://www.classwarfareexists.com/study-the-romneyryan-medicare-voucher-plan-will-cost-seniors-more-out-of-pocket/#axzz29UAUyMN6
I know who I’m going to vote for — ROMNEY! Wait a minute! Can I just think about that a minute?
mike
October 16th, 2012
8:33 pm
The stupidity of the American public never ceases to amaze me. It’s beyond comprehension.
cc
October 16th, 2012
8:40 pm
I’m torn between actually watching the debate or merely getting getalife’s play-by-play. I haven’t laughed much today so perhaps I’ll opt for the play-by-play.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
8:40 pm
@Ragnar…kind of appropriate your fairy tale is published by the Hoover Press…the legacy lives on!
td
October 16th, 2012
8:42 pm
mike
October 16th, 2012
8:33 pm
The stupidity of the American public never ceases to amaze me. It’s beyond comprehension.
It has already been proven that Obama has sowed up the moron vote so I do not know what you are talking about.
mike
October 16th, 2012
8:47 pm
Let me rub my crystal ball. Oh, crystal ball, what will come to pass if Romney’s elected?
A new multi-regional conflict will erupt in the Middle East involving Syria and Iran which will involve the Russians and Chinese (since their interests are intertwined with these countries).
To even begin to compete in this new multi-regional war, the United States will have to re-instate the draft and young people will have to go fight in a war they know nothing about.
There is the likely possibility that the United States will suffer another humiliating defeat a la Viet Nam at the hands of the Russians and Chinese.
The United States will lose status in the region and Israel will have grave doubts about their future existence.
Thank you crystal ball.
mike
October 16th, 2012
8:51 pm
td: you are just so much static. You have nothing to say.
cc
October 16th, 2012
8:54 pm
mike@8:51 pm:
Strange . . .
After reading your many posts, that is EXACTLY the conclusion I drew about you!
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 16th, 2012
8:56 pm
Real Men laugh at the two kabuki make-up-wearing clowns———————–
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Here’s what Johnson supporters had to say after the first presidential debate between Obama and Romney: “We didn’t see a debate tonight. We saw two slightly differing versions of defending the Republican and Democrat status quo that has given us war after war after war, a $16 trillion debt, and a government that is the answer to everything. Nowhere was there a real plan for reducing government, balancing the budget any time in the foreseeable future, or a path that will actually put Americans back to work.”
No doubt, Johnson supporters will say the same after debate #2 between Obama and Romney. Much like Ron Paul, Johnson has shown that he will keep fighting, regardless of being excluded from the debates.
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Here’s a hearty laugh and………………………………………………………….Forward Liberty!
mike
October 16th, 2012
8:56 pm
cc: Wonderful! Then you don’t have to worry about ever reading my posts again!
Politico
October 16th, 2012
8:57 pm
Thomas you actully bought into Alex and thought Paul was going to win………
hahahahha
Politico
October 16th, 2012
8:58 pm
Thomas
I agree with you that both the major candidates are bought and paid for, but when Ron Paul gets the balls you think he has and comes out from under the Repub umbrella, holla at me…….
iggy
October 16th, 2012
8:59 pm
PMSNBC has began their pre-debate spin and excuse making!!!
nelson
October 16th, 2012
9:00 pm
,4 minutes and counting,there will be “fire works” tonight
3 minutes and counting till blast off. Transparency and surveillance, let us go to street cam.
2 minutes and counting, this is it.
1 minute and counting, control center, retro rockets fring.
lift off, this is it.
Kyle Wingfield
October 16th, 2012
9:01 pm
Any minute now, and we’re under way.
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:02 pm
Candy Crowley…ACK!!!! I thought this was a debate, not MonsterFest.
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:04 pm
Be sure to learn Mandarin in college!
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:06 pm
There’s plenty of jobs in China!
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:07 pm
America: the country that sells hamburgers to each other.
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:08 pm
50,000 jobs? Good luck Part-timers.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
9:09 pm
iggy
Demeaning the appearance of the moderator only speaks to your shallowness and emptiness that you feel inside.
Seek help son
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:09 pm
12,000,000 new jobs! How many new McDonalds is that?
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:10 pm
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:11 pm
Go get ‘em Barack “attack dog” Obama! Wof! Wof!
Oh! ****! This is going to be a ***-whooping! Yeah!
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:12 pm
Lol. Candy stuffs Mitt
cc
October 16th, 2012
9:12 pm
College graduate-to-be asked about his job future. Obama said he wanted to created more manufacturing jobs. Exactly what a college grad would be looking for!
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:12 pm
BIG CANDY is keeping control! “SHUT UP MITT!! You will get your turn….MISTER”
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:14 pm
Romney got off easy first time around. Ain’t going to happen this time around!
cc
October 16th, 2012
9:14 pm
Obama touting Chevy Volt! Thought they were bankrupt!
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:15 pm
Mitts kicking obama on energy.
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
Whatever you do don’t conserve! SUVs don’t really use gas. They run on fresh air!
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
Ooowww…got coal
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
Efficent cars? $40K Chevy Volt?
cc
October 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
Romney just nailed Obama on oil/gas production on federal lands, down 14% due to non-approval by Obama. Nailed him on coal, too!
Obama’s lying like hell!
His voice is rising . . . he’s gonna lose control!
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:19 pm
Uh! oh! A really donnybrook!
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:20 pm
Romney steals the conversation and puts Obama in his place….YEAH BABY!!
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
9:20 pm
Just getting started, but Romney seems to be in command already, with Obama acting defensively.
cc
October 16th, 2012
9:21 pm
Mitt is holding Obama’s feet to the fire, calling a lie an untruth!
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:22 pm
Obama hate pipelines aka jobs.
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:22 pm
Forget that demand has increased. Forget that the economy was in free-fall. Go get ‘em Barack! Woof! Woof! Woof!
No easy points, Romney!
DownInAlbany
October 16th, 2012
9:23 pm
Romney definitely in control.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:23 pm
Oppps….
The most recent average, during the Obama presidency, was 661.7 millions of barrels of oil. That compares with an annual average of 585.3 million barrels during President George W. Bush’s last three years. The point of presenting it this way? The White House was able to show a 13 percent improvement over the previous administration.
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:23 pm
Watch out guys…BIG CANDY is gonna pull the Smackdown!
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:24 pm
Not so easy this time around, huh, Mitt? Kick some *** Barack!
Your pathetic policies are coming to the fore.
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:24 pm
Is that the Wicked WItch of the West? ACK!
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Lower taxes for the middle class? What a f****** joke. Hey! We’re gonna eliminate your mortgage interest deduction, your property tax deduction.
Don’t worry, though, you’re $1.00 interest from your bank will not be taxed!
What a f******* joke!
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:28 pm
No tax on Captial Gains….I think Im gonna vote for Romney…TWICE!!
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
9:28 pm
Obama can lie all he wants about his failed energy policy. Too many people know what they pay at the pump. Fuel costs have gone up far too high for the poor and middle class Obama the class war master claim to represent.
How many acres of southwestern oil shell did Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar take off our energy table Mr. Obama?
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
What’s to worry about? I don’t have to worry about my capital gains tax and I don’t have to worry about my tax on my interest on my $million dollars I have in my bank account.
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:33 pm
It’s about jobs!
All you young folks living in your parent’s basement just learn Mandarin and get yourself a job in China! You’ll like living in that company barracks and eating the company food! Hey! It’s just the way it is!
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
9:33 pm
Is it just me, or does Obama’s voice sound an octave too high?? That’s usually a sign of being under extreme stress.
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:33 pm
Romney has Obama bent over his knee and is spanking his fanny.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:34 pm
It’s just math…mittens
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:35 pm
Governor Romney: Here’s my plan. Well, I’m not prepared to divulge it right now. I’m going to reveal all of the details after the election.
cc
October 16th, 2012
9:36 pm
Yep, Bruno, it is . . . he’s on the edge and may go over!
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:36 pm
Romney will tell you his plan when the time is right. Be patient…
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
But mitt’s not answering the question…he is saying just trust me
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
Great question, Katharine. No please sit down and SHUT UP!
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
And where did all the oil increase come from? On private lands that permits were issued on before OOOOOPPPPS obama the liar took office.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
Hey iggy you must be watching a different show…
cc
October 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
Mitt doesn’t have to tell Mike. Mike already knows it all . . .
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
The debt’s all Obama’s fault! Even though he inherited an economy running a $1.2 trillion deficit.
Lame argument.
Go get ‘em President Barack Obama! It’s all over now!
jack
October 16th, 2012
9:39 pm
all you Romneyites are scary. If you believe all that malarkey coming out of his mouth,,, how about sending me $100.00 today,,, and in six months I’ll give you $1,000.00. Don’t ask me how,,, just trust me.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:39 pm
Uhhh mks…check my post…public lands…UP 13 percent…it’s just math
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:40 pm
cc: In fact, I do know it all. Thanks for the acknowlegement. Now go back to sleep.
jack
October 16th, 2012
9:41 pm
If he was such a GREAT Gov of Mass,,why was he not re-elected ? Why is he so drastically behind in the Presidential race in his “home” state of Mass ???? Maybe they know the real Mitt ??
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
9:41 pm
Yeah the math obama can’t do, like the economic source he quoted that later repudiated everything obama claimed.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:41 pm
So mitt is going to address women’s labor issues by giving them a MA cabinet job…
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 16th, 2012
9:42 pm
Obozo’s having a tough time defending his sorry record. He’s fine on hopey-changey, until the actual results are brought up, which President Romney is doing in spades.
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:42 pm
President Barack Obama gave Mitt a bye in that first debate. It’s payback time, now!
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
9:44 pm
uhh brucie check your own wrong facts I don’t give a rats butt how many lies you tell to defend a failed energy policy and higher energy costs.
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:45 pm
There is a universal truth to be accepted here. You simply can’t run on policies that benefit the 1% and expect the rest of the country to vote for you.
If you do, you’re either stupid, uninformed, or ignorant or all of the above.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 16th, 2012
9:45 pm
LOL! Obozo slams President Romney for wanting to put Washington in charge of healthcare, then brags about how he’s already done it! What a moron!
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
9:45 pm
When all else fails, Obama starts promising more Free Stuff. I can only hope that people are smart enough, and moral enough, to realize that there are no freebies in life.
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
Look at Obama…”time limits” crying like a little girl.
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
A combative obama has done anything but be combative and all the rah rah from the liberals on a blog has done even less.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
You simply can’t run on policies that benefit the 1% and expect the rest of the country to vote for you.
You’re right, but there aren’t any candidates in this race who are proposing that.
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:48 pm
Praise G**! We’re energy independent! We don’t need that oil in Iraq, Iran, etc. So we don’t need any wars to steal their oil! What a revelation. Our children are safe!
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:48 pm
Biggest dodge of the night…difference between Bush and Mitt…none
getalife
October 16th, 2012
9:48 pm
Told ya our President will finish him off.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
9:49 pm
Iggy iggy that was Romney whining about time
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
9:50 pm
Obama’s back on making excuses. It’s still all Bush’s fault.
Seriously, don’t any of you Libs ever get tired of your Messiah’s excuses?? That’s what wimps do: Make excuses.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 16th, 2012
9:50 pm
Ain’t no escaping record unemployment, record poverty, and record deficits, eh?
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:50 pm
Obama says…”Tax cuts dont work…Im gonna double down on the middle class tax percentage.”
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:51 pm
Uh oh! The China card! Bain is China! China is Bain! Can you speak Mandarin? Can your childrens speak Mandarin? There are plenty of jobs out there. They’re just in China and they pay $2.00/hr.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
9:52 pm
Bruno
Free stuff? Did you missed Romney’s Pell Grant diatribe?
td
October 16th, 2012
9:52 pm
Obama is definitely not answering this man’s questions.
jack
October 16th, 2012
9:53 pm
Speaking of Bush,,, has ANYONE here EVER seen a Presidential Election where a political party has done such an excellent job of not having ANYONE from the previous administration involved in the current election ???? Seriously,,, where’s W ?,, where’s Cheney (the real last Repub President),, where is Condoleeza ??,, Where are ANY of them ??? anyone,, anyone ??? go ahead,, I’ll wait ,,,,,,
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:53 pm
Kick some gluteous maximus, President Barack Obama! Tell it! Speak it! Let all hear it!
getalife
October 16th, 2012
9:53 pm
Did you catch that spoiled brat look on mitt’s face when he said What? in a nasty tone to the moderator.
Classic .
td
October 16th, 2012
9:55 pm
We can not repeat the last four years.
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
9:55 pm
Oh no a guy just hit obama with the increased costs he has suffered as a result of obama’s failed economic polices.
There’s no inflation, what’s wrong with that guy… where has he been shopping… doesn’t he know?
I mean hasn’t he heard fuel and food costs don’t count?
No Artificial Flavors
October 16th, 2012
9:56 pm
Obama’s plan: just set up more task forces…I love me some task forces
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
9:57 pm
All have heard these same obama lies before. Thank God for the mute button!
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:58 pm
Oh no! The Saint Ronnie card! The pre-outsourcing record! Blame Obama for our outsourcing!
iggy
October 16th, 2012
9:58 pm
Lorraine is a cutey!!
mike
October 16th, 2012
9:59 pm
Self-deport them!
Tall
October 16th, 2012
9:59 pm
Mike:
A few things President Obama can’t say:
1. I successfully ran an Olympics.
2. I balanced a state budget as governor
3. I successfully restructured and established profitable private companies that employed more people after I helped take ownership of them. And more tax revenue was generated.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
10:00 pm
Was Bush that bad?
Republicans avoid him worse than Democrats avoid Carter…………. and that is bad
iggy
October 16th, 2012
10:00 pm
Romney crushed Obama with numbers. Lorraine is a cutey and is welcome to stay with me until she is “legal”.
And you libs say us cons dont care….
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:01 pm
Yeah who needs the rule of law, when we got obama… What’s a Republic anyway?
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:01 pm
Tall: weak. Try again.
It we just had more Bains, this country would be great! The problem is, we just don’t have enough outsourcing. We need more!
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:03 pm
Free stuff? Did you missed Romney’s Pell Grant diatribe?
Everyone has their faults, Politico. I have no doubt that the astronomical increase in college tuition is directly proportional to the amount of federal aid handed out. Even at my own alma mater, Harvey Mudd College. In the late 70s, full tuition and board was well under $10K. Now it’s more than $60K per year.
No Artificial Flavors
October 16th, 2012
10:03 pm
People came through Ellis Island on ships with manifests, not through the desert with aliases or though tunnels with ms-13 cover.
Tall
October 16th, 2012
10:04 pm
…”Was Bush that bad?..”
If he progressive media says so.
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:04 pm
Romney trying for the Hispanic vote: hypocrisy much!
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:05 pm
Now, now, we all know outsourcing stopped the moment dear ruler obama took to the throne: He didn’t push for none of those old “Free Trade Agreements” like that old Clinton and Bush.
Tall
October 16th, 2012
10:05 pm
MIke:
Run for office.
Del
October 16th, 2012
10:05 pm
Man is Candy a left wing political hack for Obama or what…She is the same lib pos that’s she’s always been throughout her career. Disgusting.
No Artificial Flavors
October 16th, 2012
10:05 pm
I made a lot more money under bush while in college than as a post grad adult.
iggy
October 16th, 2012
10:05 pm
Romney kicking Obama on his immigration record….LOL.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
10:06 pm
Bruno
I hear ya and agree. Just saying that Obama wasn’t the only one on the free bandwagon………
They are both weak
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:07 pm
Speaking of Bush,,, has ANYONE here EVER seen a Presidential Election where a political party has done such an excellent job of not having ANYONE from the previous administration involved in the current election ????
For starters, Jack, Bush has been out of office for 4 years not and doesn’t seek the limelight a la Bill Clinton. Most importantly, Bush’s presidency finished on a big sour note, so there’s nothing to celebrate. Which has nothing to do with Romney’s candidacy.
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:08 pm
Yes, by all means, Harvey Mudd tuition increase is the result of Federal aid. Nothing whatsoever to do with 50 years of inflation. And I believe in the Easter Bunny!
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:08 pm
The obama economy has deported more illegal aliens from south of the border than Mitt Romney would ever dare to send home.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 16th, 2012
10:09 pm
Answer the question about Benghazi security, coward.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:10 pm
Now, now, we all know outsourcing stopped the moment dear ruler obama took to the throne: He didn’t push for none of those old “Free Trade Agreements” like that old Clinton and Bush.
As did the disparity in wealth between those at the top and the bottom. (Not)
Which hasn’t prevented Obama from trying to make political hay at every turn at how he’s fighting for the little guy. Somehow his rube followers keep believing the rhetoric and ignoring the reality.
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:10 pm
Now obama is lying about his recent failure in Libya.
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:10 pm
I really enjoyed that rousing speech that George W. Bush gave at the Republican National Convention explaining the successes of his administration.
What? He didn’t give a speech? He wasn’t even invited? WTF? You can’t be serious?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 16th, 2012
10:10 pm
Oh great, Obozo thought to increase security AFTER the Benghazi attack.
No Artificial Flavors
October 16th, 2012
10:11 pm
Just take responsibility. Reagan did.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:13 pm
I hear ya and agree. Just saying that Obama wasn’t the only one on the free bandwagon………
Politico–If you know my blog history at all, you know that I don’t sugarcoat the faults of those I support. Obama has his good points, and Romney has his faults. In putting them side to side, however, I think Romney is the clear choice to help us achieve prosperity again.
Ted Tysk
October 16th, 2012
10:13 pm
Obama may think he is clever by suggesting that Romney is insensitive, unlike himself, rich with too many benefits, unlike himself, not a man of his word, unlike himself, but, Obama never mentions that Romney is even more educated that himself, a Harvard graduate, a very charitable man who gives many millions to charity every year, unlike himself, has a resume that is long and illustrious, grounded in reality. Obama is trying to portray Romney as a selfish, greedy, a liar. Obama is trying to put words in his mouth. Obama likes to paint Romney as a rich man who is out of touch with normal citizens. Untrue. Romney donates his time for good causes without pay all the time. Romney is willing to challenge Obama unlike those who surround Obama in his daily life, telling him what a great job he is doing, buT never confrontiNg him for fear of reprisal. Obama has finally met his match.
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:14 pm
Yeah everybody will be held responsible…. everybody but you obama and YOU will take no responsibility anytime in the future or you would have done so already, before this debate.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
October 16th, 2012
10:14 pm
Nice of Candy to lob that softball to Obozo!
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:17 pm
Obama’s combativeness will work against him with the voters.
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:18 pm
Obama you don’t support the second amendment you liar!
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:19 pm
Well, so much for an unbiased moderator. Is this b!ich working for the DNC or what?? The record clearly shows that the Obama admin blamed the attack in Libya on a film, and only reluctantly agreed two weeks later that it was a planned attack.
Once again, the media in this country sucks.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:23 pm
Obama never mentions that Romney is even more educated that himself, a Harvard graduate, a very charitable man who gives many millions to charity every year, unlike himself, has a resume that is long and illustrious, grounded in reality.
Ted–I’m sure you’re aware, but the Obamas gave only a pittance to charity prior to his candidacy for the Presidency. Joe Biden shouldn’t even show his face in public based on how little he gave. Yet, these two Bozos want to paint the ever-so charitable Romney as being hard-hearted. Worse, their rube followers believe them. Style over Substance all the way.
Del
October 16th, 2012
10:23 pm
First off the majority of this group is anything but undecided as most sounded like they were on the left by their questions. Candy Crawley has been an Obamanation with her difference to the Obummer. Terrible.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
10:23 pm
That little green line on the bottom of CNN is killing mittens
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:23 pm
Thousands of assault weapons sold legally every day in Texas without any ID or background check which are then sold to legally Mexican druglords.
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:24 pm
He was for it before he was against it. Where have we heard that before?
JDW
October 16th, 2012
10:25 pm
Bruno…from the transcript of the presidents comments in the rose garden
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/transcript-president-obama-remarks-following-deadly-attacks-at-us-consulate-in/#ixzz29WFgYWb8
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:25 pm
Hey Candy, why didn’t you reel your boy in when he went off on hand guns in response to the assault weapons question?
And now he is going off on schools?
Atlanta Mom
October 16th, 2012
10:26 pm
Enjoying your echo chamber Kyle?
iggy
October 16th, 2012
10:26 pm
“That little green line on the bottom of CNN is killing mittens”
Of course it is. Its CNN.
jack
October 16th, 2012
10:26 pm
“Oh great, Obozo thought to increase security AFTER the Benghazi attack.”
I guess maybe he should have sat there looking like a complete moron and read a book to school children while the country was being attacked ???
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:27 pm
Mitt: I plan to double down on outsourcing during my presidency! Think about how much you’ll enjoy you’re kids living at home in your basement! What a hypocrite!
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:29 pm
The Easter Bunny lives! I know, I’m for him! –Mitt!
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:30 pm
Timeline of Libya Consulate attack reveals administration contradictions
• June 6: Unknown assailants blow a hole in the consulate’s north gate described by a witness as “big enough for 40 men to go through.” Four days later, the British ambassador’s car is ambushed by militants with a rocket-propelled grenade.
• July: Anti-Islam video “Innocence of Muslims” posted on You Tube.
• Aug. 14: SST team leaves Libya. Team leader Lt. Col. Andy Wood has testified that Stevens wanted them to stay on.
• In the weeks before Sept. 11, Libyan security guards are reportedly warned by family members of an impending attack. On Sept. 8, the Libyan militia tasked with protecting the consulate warns U.S. diplomats that the security situation is “frightening.”
• Sept. 10: Al Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri calls on Libyans to avenge the death of his Libyan deputy, Abu Yahya al Libi, killed in a June drone strike in Pakistan.
• Sept. 11: Protesters converge on the U.S. embassy in Cairo, scale its walls and replace the U.S. flag with the Islamist banner. The protests eventually spread to 20 countries around the world. That night, Republican candidate Mitt Romney criticizes an embassy statement denouncing the video before the events unfolding in Libya are known to the world. Late that night, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says in a statement that “some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet.”
• Sept. 12: Media outlets report that Stevens and three other Americans have been killed in an attack by well-armed militants. Obama denounces an “outrageous and shocking attack” without mentioning the video or terrorism. Reuters reports for the first time that some administration officials believe the assault “bears the hallmarks of an organized attack.”
• Sept. 13: White House spokesman Jay Carney says “the protests we’re seeing around the region are in reaction to this movie.”
• Sept. 14: Carney says the administration had “no actionable intelligence” about a pending attack.
• Sept. 16: Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, does the rounds on the Sunday talk shows and says the video is the “proximate cause” of the assault in Benghazi. “Our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo,” Rice tells ABC. That same day, interim Libyan president Mohamed Magarief insists on CBS that “it was planned, definitely.”
• Sept. 19: National Counterterrorism Center director Matthew Olsen testifies before the Senate Homeland Security Committee that the assault was a “terrorist attack” but goes on to call it an “opportunistic” attack in which armed militants took advantage of an ongoing protest.
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/261839-timeline-of-libya-attack-reveals-administration-contradictions-
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:30 pm
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for
That statement assigned no blame. The blame was then squarely placed on a film within days, and only repudiated two weeks later.
Do you deny the truth, or is it so important for you to spin things your way that you would damage your own credibility in the meantime??
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:30 pm
Why wouldn’t you want to move to China?
jack
October 16th, 2012
10:31 pm
Asking Mitt what he plans to do about Outsourcing ?????? Seriously ????? He is the KING OF OUTSOURCING ….. this is going to be good. The BIG LIES ARE FLOWING NOW
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:32 pm
MHS–Thanks for the time line above. The Libs here would rather sacrifice their own integrity before admitting their man made a mistake. Truly sad.
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:33 pm
These danged Americans! If they’ll just work for $2.00/hr we can return those jobs to America!
Hillbilly D
October 16th, 2012
10:34 pm
MHS
There was an incident in April that you missed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/15/us-libya-usa-security-idUSBRE89E1AL20121015
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:34 pm
What exactly has obama done to stop the unfair trade practices of China and the rest?
Ah… absolutely nothing!
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:36 pm
God told me to outsource those jobs! God told me to beat those old people out of their Medicare. God told me.
Common Sense
October 16th, 2012
10:36 pm
All you Sean “Great American” Hannity sheep… if Romney wins the election, be prepared for another war and more American kids sent oveseas to die for the cause of the corporate elites. When will you people learn that it’s not about race, religion or political party?
Del
October 16th, 2012
10:38 pm
Whenever Romney is in the process of countering an Obama point, Crawley comes in to cut him off and get the mike back in Obama’s hands. I’ve never seen such an overt bias in a moderated political debate by the media..
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:39 pm
President Barack Obama kicked ***! Watch out for those polls tomorrow! Uh! oh! the 47%! Now you know they don’t belong to the 1%. It’s all over but the shouting now. I know who I’m voting for!
jack
October 16th, 2012
10:39 pm
Did Mitt just say that Government does not create jobs ???? He’s been saying for months how he will create 8 million new jobs in his first 4 years ????? Flip Flop much ???
No Artificial Flavors
October 16th, 2012
10:39 pm
Crowley, you didn’t build that.
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:40 pm
HillbillyD
Perhaps the Hill blog missed it. I simply did a copy and paste that shows obama is lying and covering up. As say claim because he was saying al Qaeda was defeated.
Well obviously he lied again on that one. Al Qaeda just answered with a loud in your face obama!
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:40 pm
Good job, Candy! You’re not just another pretty face!
No Artificial Flavors
October 16th, 2012
10:41 pm
The great Guns & Butter debate. What history folks.
Obama FAIL
October 16th, 2012
10:41 pm
Obama lies…typical… This was a push debate at best.
JamVet
October 16th, 2012
10:42 pm
Oh by the way, which one’s Pink?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVdJBNQMCMc
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:42 pm
Republicans will once again fade into obscurity. Goodbye.
JDW
October 16th, 2012
10:43 pm
@bruno…”Do you deny the truth, or is it so important for you to spin things your way that you would damage your own credibility in the meantime”
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and he called it a duck then it’s not me spinning
jack
October 16th, 2012
10:44 pm
Well,,,there goes Mitt’s 15 minutes of fame,,,,,,, I wonder if Romney will run again in 2016 ??? What will that be,,, his fifth attempt ???
Obama FAIL
October 16th, 2012
10:45 pm
Buh bye Obambi… November cant come soon enough!!!
Del
October 16th, 2012
10:45 pm
Candy Crawley is the very same far left POS that she’s been for years. What a disgusting woman.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:46 pm
Whenever Romney is in the process of countering an Obama point, Crawley comes in to cut him off and get the mike back in Obama’s hands. I’ve never seen such an overt bias in a moderated political debate by the media..
Agreed, Del. Her interjection in supporting Obama’s version of his administration’s response to the terror attack was way, way out of line. I’ll be curious to see how much this is highlighted by the Lib media. Likely it wont even be mentioned.
Del
October 16th, 2012
10:47 pm
Oh well…..no big deal the Obummer didn’t move the needle in his favor.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
10:48 pm
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and he called it a duck then it’s not me spinning
SO, you’re denying that the Obama Administration pushed the idea that the Libyan attack was a reaction to an anti-Islamic video?? Your integrity is on the line, that is the tiny amount that you had before tonight.
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:48 pm
Once again the farce that is the Republican agenda comes to the fore. And once again, the Republican agenda has been shown to be nonsensical. It’s all over but the shouting now.
You’re going to lose. Just like you lost in 2008 only worse.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
10:49 pm
16 is right around the corner cons.
Run a con next time.
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:50 pm
Sadly some folks don’t understand how the economy works and what the role of the government is in helping it to succeed in creating jobs.
Mitt, unlike the Marxist obama, understands that the role of government is to create an economic climate that is conducive to job creation in the private sector.
The corporate tax rate obama now claims is too high he could have cut four years ago when he had absolute power, why didn’t he?
Nah go read what Steve Wynn said about obama… obama is clueless about how jobs are created in the private sector.
Wynn On Obama: “I’ll Be Damned If I Want To Have Him Lecture Me”
On the Tuesday broadcast of the nightly Nevada political program “Ralston Reports,” Steve Wynn, CEO of Wynn Resorts sat down with host Jon Ralston to discuss the presidential election.
Wynn, an outspoken critic of President Obama, didn’t hold back in his latest criticism of the incumbent president seeking a second term.
“I’ll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I’m a job creator. Guys like me are job creators and we don’t like having a bulls-eye painted on our back,” Wynn said about Obama to Ralston. An excerpt of the interview is below.
WYNN: I’ve created about 250,000 direct and indirect jobs according to the state of Nevada’s measurement. If the number is 250,000, that’s exactly 250,000 more than this president, who I’ll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I’m a job creator. Guys like me are job creators and we don’t like having a bulls-eye painted on our back.
The president is trying to put himself between me and my employees. By class warfare, by deprecating and calling a group that makes money ‘billionaires and millionaires who don’t pay their share.’ I gave 120% of my salary and bonus away last year to charities, as I do most years. I can’t stand the idea of being demagogued, that is put down by a president who has never created any jobs and who doesn’t even understand how the economy works.
Wynn on a scrapped business plan: “I’m afraid of the president. I have no idea what goofy idea, what crazy, anti-business program this administration will come up. I have no idea. And I have to tell you Jon that every business guy I know in the country is frightened of Barack Obama and the way he thinks.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/09/steve_wynn_on_obama_ill_be_damned_if_ill_have_him_lecture_me.html
Politico
October 16th, 2012
10:50 pm
Del
Didn’t you say yesterday, you would be ready to call it after tonight’s debate?
Damn you are wishy washy……….
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:51 pm
I’m for tax cuts that don’t benefit me and increase my taxes. I’m for outsourcing that ensures that my children can’t find decent jobs. I’m for gutting Medicare so that I or my parents are cast out into the cold in their golden years of like. What’s not to like?
Michael H. Smith
October 16th, 2012
10:51 pm
Goodnight to all.
Hillbilly D
October 16th, 2012
10:53 pm
MHS @ 10:40
Was just making you aware of it. Thought your source probably omitted it.
td
October 16th, 2012
10:55 pm
We do not have to settle on what we currently have.
mike
October 16th, 2012
10:55 pm
Here’s a question? What is the maximum IQ of Republicans? Beyond what minimum IQ do people “figure it out?”
Hillbilly D
October 16th, 2012
10:57 pm
The thing about these debates (and most debates for that matter) is that they’re both preaching to the converted.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 16th, 2012
10:58 pm
Romney debated obozo and crawly and beat them both.
I say, yes!
Obama FAIL
October 16th, 2012
11:00 pm
little mikey fail… IQ in the double digits for little mikey…
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:00 pm
hillbilly
yes, it is as much about riling up the bases as it is swaying the few you are undecided
bluecoat
October 16th, 2012
11:02 pm
TD in one of your previous post you said Obama had the moron’s vote.The R’s will never miss your vote.
Dusty
October 16th, 2012
11:03 pm
One announcer just reported that Obama called Romney a liar five times the firstt half hour. I guess tht’s one way to bully your way into a second term.
I thought the moderator and timekeeper(?) did a terrible job. There seemed to be no plan to follow and Obama seemed to be talking much longer than Romney. The president jumped off subject repeatedly to avoid making a direct answer.
I would say the whole debate was off key, uncoordinated and of no benefit to either candidate. It did show the spirit of liberalism and that is to win any way you can; lying, bullying and pushy rudeness…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 16th, 2012
11:04 pm
4 years ago obozo was asked “what are you going to do about equal pay for women” and obozo said I’m going to fix it and tonight obozo was asked “what are you going to do about equal pay for women” and again obozo said I’m going to fix it and then babbled about lilly ledbetter, like that somehow made a difference, even though equal pay for women is still a problem.
Then Romney said what if there were so many jobs that employers HAD to pay women equally and I said “wow, it’s so nice to hear an adult speaking.”
And then I come here and read the comments from the obamamorons.
I pray for you, America.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:05 pm
“little mikey fail… IQ in the double digits for little mikey…”
Whoa! Kyle! I believe that I Report has referred to me by a moniker other than my login name. Is that an actionable offense for your faithful or is that just for “liberals.” Kyle? I’m waiting. How many “days off” will I Report get? I’m waiting?
After all that’s the cause of “fights on the blog.”
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:06 pm
Dusty
I’m sure they both lied. They did two weeks ago.
What would have changed from the last time?
Atlanta Mom
October 16th, 2012
11:06 pm
George Will said Obama won the debate. Don’t you just hate that?
Georgia
October 16th, 2012
11:07 pm
Americans aren’t likely to switch horses in a mid-recession comeback. Obama only had to show that he is still our president. and he is. I want Romney to run my company, but I want Obama to run my country.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 16th, 2012
11:07 pm
Romney crushed obozo after his rambling idiocy about tax cuts and debt, and it was a softball that Romney blasted out of the park; who are you to talk of deficits mr. tax and spend? 6 trillion dollar clown?
It’s Ova.
Georgia
October 16th, 2012
11:08 pm
The moderator was an embarrassment, and she scored the only points ROmney made: sympathy votes.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:09 pm
The thing about these debates (and most debates for that matter) is that they’re both preaching to the converted.
HD–There’s probably a lot of truth to that, but there may be a sizable number of undecided voters still out there.
From a scoreboard standpoint, Obama definitely did a better job tonight, but Romney was just as strong, if not stronger than the first time out. Once or twice, I think Romney could have done a better job by softening up a bit. Bottom line, however, is that he projected an image as a tough fighter, while Obama still was long on making excuses and evading taking responsibility.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:09 pm
Overall, a draw.
Until the fact-checkers get to work.
I’m not sure Obama told the truth once tonight. Not sure his constant interrupting is going to go over well with women (something I warned about in this format), even if it will energize his base.
I found the questions that were picked (by the moderator and crew) were largely irrelevant, nor evenly balanced. Most were clearly designed to put Romney on the defensive and a bunch of softballs for Obama.
I’ll also note that if you really listen, Obama never directly answered any questions asked of him. While Romney wasn’t much better, he at least tried to stay focused. Obama was (wrongly) describing what Romney would do, and throwing out sound bites instead of actually answering the questions.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:10 pm
“George Will said Obama won the debate. Don’t you just hate that?”
George Will has been a prepuce and has had an inflated sense of worth for decades now.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:11 pm
If you think this debate was a draw you’re either smoking something or you are suffering from delusions.
Get real!
The AntiBoortz
October 16th, 2012
11:11 pm
All these posts are just so much, “Yeah for our guy!” What a waste.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:12 pm
You just can’t trust Republicans like George Will! Anybody knows that!
Georgia
October 16th, 2012
11:12 pm
Hey everyone! There’s an after debate party going on right now over at the political insider blog. Great fun!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:13 pm
mike, make your case then.
Using facts, not opinion.
I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for THAT kind of response from you.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:13 pm
I want Romney to run my company, but I want Obama to run my country.
Georgia–Maybe you’ll wise up one day and realize that a strong economy cures nearly all ills. No amount of handouts ever lifted anyone out of poverty, which has been the Obama approach thus far.
The AntiBoortz
October 16th, 2012
11:14 pm
I’m moving to a state where my vote counts.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:15 pm
They both lied………………
Anyone who thinks different is a liar themselves……..
Some polls will give edge to Romney and others to Obama
Doubt swing state polls sway too much either way
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:16 pm
“mike, make your case then.”
What are you talking about?
Dusty
October 16th, 2012
11:16 pm
Politico,
If Romney lied, he surely did fool me.because I did not hear any lies..
The president lied because he bragged on how well he had done in the past four years on many things.
The whole concept that we have had four good years under Obama is a total misconception which is a nice word for “LIE”.. We have not had four good years and only a fool would think so.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:18 pm
“a strong economy cures nearly all ills.”
What we need is a “strong economy” like what George W. **** left us with.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:18 pm
Frank Luntz’s undecided focus group on FNC is going big for Romney. 2/3rds say they voted for Obama, five are keeping their votes, and 7 are going to Romney, but they were largely not impressed with Obama, saying he was on the defensive all night long.
MarkV
October 16th, 2012
11:18 pm
People who watched the debate can be divided into two groups: Those who know that Obama won the debate and say it, and those who know that Obama won the debate and deny it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:19 pm
“What are you talking about?”
You know, mike, you shouldn’t drink and blog at the same time. I said it was a draw, and you disputed that claim, but didn’t back it up with anything but an insult.
Try facts, mike. Make your case that it wasn’t a draw.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:20 pm
Romney came out looking for a free pass and found a growling bulldog.
Game over.
ODD OWL
October 16th, 2012
11:20 pm
President Obama had a great debate… He defeated Romney hands down… Obama won by 70% to 30% for Romney…
Hillbilly D
October 16th, 2012
11:20 pm
I didn’t watch the debate but watching the comments here, I’d say most people decided who won before it ever started.
td
October 16th, 2012
11:21 pm
I just watched a focus group of swing state voters and of the 10 that voted for Obama in 08, 5 are now going to vote for Romney (one said she was going to stay at home but now she will vote for Romney). This is all I need to know about this debate.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:21 pm
“People who watched the debate can be divided into two groups: Those who know that Obama won the debate and say it, and those who know that Obama won the debate and deny it.”
We already have one focus group denying your claim, MarkV, and they at least have open minds.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:22 pm
If you think this debate was a draw, you will be enlightened tomorrow when the polls come out.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:22 pm
Dusty
You are a fool if you think that Romney did not lie. Get you head out of his behind and start looking at other sources besides those that lean right.
They both lied
Ignorance is bliss. So carry on if that makes you feel good
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:22 pm
mike, try to take a view that is non-partisan.
Do you really think a “growing bulldog” is going to go over well with undecided women voters?
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:23 pm
You’re going to lose. Just like you lost in 2008 only worse.
mike–Although I’m sure that I’m wasting pixels by addressing you at all, let me help you see the light. At the end of Bush’s time in office, he was so unpopular that it was a virtual lock that the Dem candidate would win. The Republicans didn’t help themselves a bit by nominating an old, angry candidate (McCain) who picked a bimbo for a running mate (Palin). Yet, even with those disadvantages going into election night, McCain made it fairly close.
This time the circumstances are a bit different. Obama was a blank slate in 2008, but now he has a record for folks to see–a failed record that is. The economy isn’t really any better now than 4 years ago, so why should the average American think it will be any different 4 years from now?? Romney is far from a perfect candidate, but he at least offers us some hope that things will change for the better.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:23 pm
mike, try less opinion and more facts.
HOW did Obama win – not from a partisan point of view, but using an open mind.
ODD OWL
October 16th, 2012
11:25 pm
Mirttens Romney tried to bully Candy Crawley, but she shot him down and shut him up… When the debate was over, Romney ran off that stage like a scowled dog…
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:25 pm
Non-partisan is not me. “Growing (sic) bulldog” has nothing to do with women. They love him!
How much have you had to drink?
You’re going to lose! Own it! Accept it!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:26 pm
“You are a fool if you think that Romney did not lie.”
Feel free to point out one, Politico.
The oil drilling leases discussion on Federal lands has already been given to Romney as being correct. Obama was either incorrect, or lied about them.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:27 pm
Bruno: that’s a wonderful fantasy! Hang onto it. It will serve you well in the days after the election.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:28 pm
“When the debate was over, Romney ran off that stage like a scowled dog…”
Actually, he hung around for pictures and autographs, ODD. What coverage were you watching?
Dusty
October 16th, 2012
11:28 pm
Mark V
I have seen high school debates that were better organized than this debate. Nobody scored well in this one because there was a feeling of poor timing, evasion, omissions, lack of direction, a “picked’ audience, and a partial moderator.
Maybe I like Romney because I like his plans but the president showed no class whatsoever I like a president who sets a good example no matter the stress.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:29 pm
“Non-partisan is not me.”
Admitting you’re an unthinking myrmidon is the surest way to have your comments ignored, mikey.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:29 pm
OK, Tiberius. Romney won. Feel better now? Now that we’ve got that out of the way, maybe we can move on.
adam smith's invisible hand
October 16th, 2012
11:32 pm
Romney looked beat down and like he could have used a good cup of coffee. Oh wait, he can’t have coffee. Maybe an ice cold beer would help him chill after the loss. What? He can’t have one of those either? Can he at least go to the comforting, loving arms of one of his wives? No longer legal? That’s too bad.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:32 pm
Bruno: that’s a wonderful fantasy! Hang onto it. It will serve you well in the days after the election.
Let me let you in on a little secret, mike. Who wins the election matters little to me, since I am secure in my career and will do well no matter what. I’m more concerned with the folks who are hurting right now. But, instead of throwing them more breadcrumbs, I’d like to see them get well-paying jobs, which isn’t going to happen under Obama.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:33 pm
mike, I stated in my first comment that I thought it was a draw.
I felt Romney will likely win on facts and the truth, and Obama scored points for not being comatose this time around.
Both bases will be satisfied after tonight, but the fact checkers are going to have a field day on both, but especially Obama.
And I don’t think his aggressiveness will play well with women voters.
mike
October 16th, 2012
11:33 pm
“Admitting you’re an unthinking myrmidon is the surest way to have your comments ignored, mikey”
Tiberius, that post certainly is in keeping with your empirical moniker.
It’s obvious that this blog has devolved into nonsensical arguments. Hence, I’m out of here.
Please resume dancing around in a circle.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:36 pm
It’s obvious that this blog has devolved into nonsensical arguments.
Pretty funny talk coming from someone who spoke with the intellect of an eighth-grader all night. Typical Obama voter.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:36 pm
More nonsense from adam smith.
Is it possible for you libs on this blog to put together two cogent thoughts on tonight’s debate?
Thus far, it’s been exceedingly lame.
Hillbilly D
October 16th, 2012
11:37 pm
The Evil Empire falls 2-1 to go down 3 games to none. All is right with the world.
Dusty
October 16th, 2012
11:38 pm
Politico,
I watched the same debate you did so you don’t have to try and bully people around.
Romney was the informed gentleman and Obama was the wandering minstrel.
Do tell me that the past four years were very good. I enjoy jokes.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:38 pm
Tiberius
Did I say Obama didn’t lie?
Damn dude, wake the f up and smell the coffee
I didn’t exonerate either one
That is your problem is you are caught up in a love affair with one of them and think they were nothing but honest
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:38 pm
The Evil Empire falls 2-1 to go down 3 games to none. All is right with the world.
Easy money on the Tigers tonight, although I got a little nervous with Ibanez at bat with 2 guys on in the bottom of the ninth. The “Under” was a pretty safe bet tonight as well.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:39 pm
Dusty
Did Romney tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes or no?
No qualifiers
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:40 pm
Bruno
Thanks for the score
Yankees go down
great
Mark
October 16th, 2012
11:40 pm
President Obama won the debate hands down! good night all!
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:42 pm
HD–Since you’re still around, thought you might enjoy this deep cut from Steve Winwood. “Dirty City”. Some killer guitar riffs, real spacey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9t7pcF8rJQ
Mark
October 16th, 2012
11:43 pm
td
October 16th, 2012
11:21 pm
I just watched a focus group of swing state voters and of the 10 that voted for Obama in 08, 5 are now going to vote for Romney (one said she was going to stay at home but now she will vote for Romney). This is all I need to know about this debate.
td you are just one sore ass loser! romney got his ass handed to him tonight and you cannot stand it; therefore, once again you retort to some bogus ass swing states polls that you made up.
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:44 pm
Pretty funny to see the blind Obama followers declaring him the winner. It was a close debate, with Romney possibly squeaking out a small win. However, a small win for Romney is actually a huge win, given the low expectations placed upon him by friend and foe alike going into the debates.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:46 pm
“Did I say Obama didn’t lie?
Damn dude, wake the f up and smell the coffee
I didn’t exonerate either one”
Politico, I challenged you to submit a lie that you believe that Romney made, as you claim both lied. Two of Obama’s lies have been exposed as such, but I have yet to hear one from the other side as being something more than a different opinion, not a lie.
Grow up, and more importantly, man up.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:48 pm
Tiberius
You couldn’t fight your way out of bed. So you are the last person that should be telling anyone to man up
just saying
Gravy Train
October 16th, 2012
11:48 pm
Tough on China? How? By investing billions in them? The only people Willard are tough on are old men, Big Bird, women and dogs. LOL You idiots let the plutocrats stick you with this magic underwear salesmen. Where can one find a “binder full of women.” The only thing Obama has to do to make Willard look bad is to sit back and watch him eat his own foot on international television. Kiss that “surge in the polls” good bye, you spineless lap dogs.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:48 pm
“Did Romney tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?”
Instead of asking the question of others, Politico, why don’t you give us some specifics instead of blanket statements?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:50 pm
“You couldn’t fight your way out of bed. So you are the last person that should be telling anyone to man up”
Why are liberals afraid to defend their stances with facts?
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:51 pm
Energy production on federal lands
Romney: “Oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production was down 9 percent.”
In fact, the Congressional Research Service has said that oil production on federal lands was up slightly in 2011 compared with 2007.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82505_Page3.html#ixzz29WbdH7xt
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:52 pm
Hey, religious bigot!
Romney pretty much debunked that whole lie as well tonight, and pointed out that Obama has investments in China and the Caymans in his own portfolio.
Ooops!
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:52 pm
Obama fundraising after Libya attack
Romney: “[O]n the day following the assassination of the United States ambassador, the first time that’s happened since 1979, when — when we have four Americans killed there, when apparently we didn’t know what happened, that the president, the day after that happened, flies to Las Vegas for a political fund-raiser, then the next day to Colorado for another … political event.”
Obama did go to Las Vegas on Sept. 12. But it was for an open press campaign rally there, not a fundraiser. The event was pushed back a few hours so that the president could first speak about the Benghazi attack from the Rose Garden, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by his side. Obama continued on to Colorado that night for another planned day of campaigning there.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82505_Page3.html#ixzz29WbqModm
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:52 pm
What were you saying little man?
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:53 pm
Politico @ 11:51–Try a little harder. Comparisons are done year-over-year.
Dusty
October 16th, 2012
11:53 pm
Politico
Romney told the truth. Maybe you didn’t recognize it because you don’t use it much.
I will repeat it for you since you seem a bit prejudiced.. Romney told the truth.
Gravy Train
October 16th, 2012
11:54 pm
Yes Willard are, as in plural, as in the many faces and flip-flops
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:54 pm
Tiberius
Spin it for your your hero. Yes, like Obama he lied tonight
Be a good little sheep
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:55 pm
ROMNEY: “I know he keeps saying, ‘You want to take Detroit bankrupt.’ Well, the president took Detroit bankrupt. You took General Motors bankrupt. You took Chrysler bankrupt. So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. And I think it’s important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely what I recommended and ultimately what happened.”
THE FACTS: What Romney recommended did not happen, and his proposed path probably would have forced General Motors and Chrysler out of business. He opposed using government money to bail out the automakers, instead favoring privately financed bankruptcy restructuring. But the automakers were bleeding cash and were poor credit risks. The banking system was in crisis. So private loans weren’t available. Without government aid, both companies probably would have gone under and their assets sold in pieces
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:55 pm
What were you saying little man?
Better read your own links lest you look foolish, Politico, From the article:
“According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, sales of crude oil and other “condensate production” on federal lands and waters are down from last year — though they’re higher than during the later years under Bush. The agency says that amounts to 627 million barrels in 2011, 726 million barrels in 2010″
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:55 pm
ROMNEY: “The proof of whether a strategy is working or not is what the price is that you’re paying at the pump. If you’re paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why, then, the strategy is working. But you’re paying more. When the president took office, the price of gasoline here in Nassau County was about $1.86 a gallon. Now, it’s $4.00 a gallon. The price of electricity is up. If the president’s energy policies are working, you’re going to see the cost of energy come down.”
THE FACTS: Presidents have almost no effect on energy prices; most are set on financial exchanges around the world. When Obama took office, the world was in the grip of a financial crisis and crude prices—and gasoline prices along with them—had plummeted because world demand had collapsed. Crude oil prices have since risen even as U.S. oil production has soared in recent years because global demand is reaching new heights as the developing economies of Asia use more oil.
Other energy prices have fallen during Obama’s term. Electricity prices, when adjusted for inflation, are down, and homeowners are finding it much cheaper to heat their homes with natural gas. That’s because natural gas production has surged, reducing prices both for homeowners and for utilities that burn gas to generate electricity.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
“Obama did go to Las Vegas on Sept. 12. But it was for an open press campaign rally there, not a fundraiser. ”
Yeah, ’cause of course they don’t ask for donations at any campaign rallies, do they, Politico?
And the point being made was that if Romney had been President, he would have canceled any political rally and gotten to the bottom of the attack right away, because the death of an ambassador in the service of his country is more important that grubbing for votes.
Are you sure you aren’t MarkV? You wordsmith with the best of them.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
ROMNEY: “I’m going to bring rates down across the board for everybody, but I’m going to limit deductions and exemptions and credits, particularly for people at the high end, because I am not going to have people at the high end pay less than they’re paying now.”
THE FACTS: Romney is proposing to cut all income tax rates by 20 percent, eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax, maintain and expand tax breaks for investment income, and do it all without adding to the deficit or shifting the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. He says he would pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax deductions, exemptions and credits, but he can’t achieve all of his goals it under the budget rules presidents must follow.
The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says in a study that the tax cuts proposed by Romney would reduce federal tax revenues by about $5 trillion over 10 years. The study concludes that there aren’t enough tax breaks for the wealthy to make up the lost revenue, so the proposal would either add to the deficit or shift more of the tax burden on to the middle class.
Gravy Train
October 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
Willard is getting destroyed by fact checkers yet again.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
ROMNEY: “A recent study has shown that people in the middle class will see $4,000 a year in higher taxes as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration.”
THE FACTS: Romney’s claim is based on an analysis by the conservative American Enterprise Institute that examines the amount of debt that has accumulated on Obama’s watch and in a potential second term and computes how much it would cost to finance that debt through tax increases. Annual deficits under Obama have exceeded $1 trillion for each year of his term.
However, Obama is not responsible for all of the deficits that have occurred on his watch. Most of the federal budget—like Medicare, food stamps, Medicaid and Social Security—runs on autopilot, and no one in a leadership position in Washington has proposed deep cuts in those programs. And politicians in both parties voted two years ago the renew Bush-era tax cuts that have contributed to the deficit. Even under the strict spending cuts proposed by Romney, the debt would continue to rise, just not as fast.
Gravy Train
October 16th, 2012
11:58 pm
I guess those magic underwear have lost their mojo?
Bruno
October 16th, 2012
11:58 pm
Lot of “probably”s in your 11:55, Politico. That doesn’t meet the threshhold of a “lie”.
So far, Tiberius 2, Politico 0, and Ti hasn’t even made a statement.
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:58 pm
There are plenty for Obama as well.
You sheep keep thinking that it is just Obama who lies
Politico
October 16th, 2012
11:59 pm
ROMNEY: Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
THE FACTS: Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn’t have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:00 am
“THE OPINION: What Romney recommended did not happen, and his proposed path probably would have forced General Motors and Chrysler out of business. He opposed using government money to bail out the automakers, instead favoring privately financed bankruptcy restructuring. But the automakers were bleeding cash and were poor credit risks. The banking system was in crisis. So private loans weren’t available. Without government aid, both companies probably would have gone under and their assets sold in pieces”
Fixed your typo in the second word, Politico.
Here’s the facts, Politico. Corporations both large and small undergo restructuring each and every day without government help, and do so while staying open for business.
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:00 am
However, Obama is not responsible for all of the deficits that have occurred on his watch. Most of the federal budget—like Medicare, food stamps, Medicaid and Social Security—runs on autopilot, and no one in a leadership position in Washington has proposed deep cuts in those programs.
The old, “I’m not responsible” crap once again.
Your cut-n-pastes have already grown stale, Politico.
It’s this simple: If you want 4 more years of whining and making excuses, then vote for Obama. If you want someone who will actually try to solve problems, vote for Romney.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:01 am
Two Bookman rejects hanging on for life
hahahahahha
ROMNEY: “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year.”
THE FACTS: Romney is making selective use of the Congressional Budget Office’s March findings on how employers might adjust to the new health law. The neutral Washington scorekeeper actually gave Congress four scenarios — ranging from a net increase in employer-provided coverage for 3 million people to the decrease of 20 million that Romney cited.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:02 am
Bruno
You claim to be the smartest dude around. If so, then you should have read I am not voting for either of those clowns
So speaking of stale…… telling me about Obama is just stupid and stale on your part
Dusty
October 17th, 2012
12:02 am
What a joke! POLITICO thinks there is a big difference in a fund raiser and press conference. Both are to raise funds and voters whether through the ;press or ;promises. But he knows that and so does Romney.
So many liberals never give up twisiting the facts to give the right answers. A fundraiser by any other name is still to raise funds whether through the press, the people, or propaganda.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:04 am
“The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says in a study that the tax cuts proposed by Romney would reduce federal tax revenues by about $5 trillion over 10 years. The study concludes that there aren’t enough tax breaks for the wealthy to make up the lost revenue, so the proposal would either add to the deficit or shift more of the tax burden on to the middle class.”
You DO realize that the very people you cite (The Tax Policy Center) have disputed the conclusions being made about Romney’s tax plan by the Obama campaign, don’t you, Politico?
News Flash! They have. You’re just reprinting DNC talking points now.
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:04 am
You sheep keep thinking that it is just Obama who lies
I never said that, but you haven’t exposed even one lie by Romney yet, while Obama passed a few whoppers off.
But Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care
Are you really that dumb, Politico?? Treatments will be either approved or denied across the board by this unelected “Independent Payment Advisory Board”. In some cases, that may be a good thing, but to deny that care will be rationed vie this approval process is just plain stupid.
If you want to appear to have any intelligence at all, you’re going to have to do better than these mindless cut-n-pastes.
Gravy Train
October 17th, 2012
12:05 am
Tibi: For your name calling to be correct, the Mormon Cult would have to be a universally recognized legitimate religion. Sadly, for you, it is not. It is a cult based on the delusions of an egomaniacal psychopath, Joseph Smith. To drive home the point, I challenge you or any other cult member to produce scientific empirical data proving the claims put forth in the “Book of Mormon.” Archaeological, geological, genetic or multiple historical accounts are all acceptable.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:05 am
“ROMNEY: “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year.”
THE FACTS: Romney is making selective use of the Congressional Budget Office’s March findings on how employers might adjust to the new health law. The neutral Washington scorekeeper actually gave Congress four scenarios — ranging from a net increase in employer-provided coverage for 3 million people to the decrease of 20 million that Romney cited.”
You DO understand the meaning of the words “up to”, don’t you Politico? Romney was right again.
This is too easy.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:07 am
“ROMNEY: Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
THE FACTS: Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn’t have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.”
Prescribe? No, and that’s not what Romney was saying, either.
Pay for? You bet! How many people are going to have a procedure they can’t pay for, Politico?
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:08 am
You claim to be the smartest dude around. If so, then you should have read I am not voting for either of those clowns
I don’t really care who you’re voting for. I’m just pointing out, as Ti did above, that you’re mindlessly regurgitating DNC talking points with no analysis of your own.
Any time you want some real debate, look me up. There’s not a Lib on this board who can keep up with me or Ti.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:09 am
“To drive home the point, I challenge you or any other cult member to produce scientific empirical data proving the claims put forth in the “Book of Mormon.””
Right after you provide scientific proof that Jesus turned water into wine, or was resurrected, Gravy.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:10 am
Make that 3 Bookman rejects…….. sorry to leave you out Dusty
My apologies
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:12 am
Make that 3 Bookman rejects…….. sorry to leave you out Dusty
You’re turning into a bigger POS with each post, Politico. Why son’t you skedaddle back to Bookman’s where your BS wont’ be challenged. You obviously can’t handle any real debate.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:13 am
“However, Obama is not responsible for all of the deficits that have occurred on his watch. Most of the federal budget—like Medicare, food stamps, Medicaid and Social Security—runs on autopilot, and no one in a leadership position in Washington has proposed deep cuts in those programs.”
Really? Then who is the Chief Executive of the USA, Politico? If he isn’t, who is? When is this administration going to take ANY responsibility for their actions (or non-actions)?
And I thought according to you libs that Medicare and Social Security were not contributing to the deficit and debt . . .
Ooops!
Gravy Train
October 17th, 2012
12:13 am
Cool, Tibi. Just duck the question and deflect (just like Willard) because you’ve got nothing but magic underwear to prove your point.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:15 am
So, got anymore DNC talking points I can debunk for you on the “Romney lied” front, Politico?
Keep setting ‘em up so I can keep knocking ‘em down!
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:15 am
Bruno
Don’t call someone what you are………….
You ball spiker.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:17 am
Gravy, if your argument is to debunk Mormonism as a religion because of a lack of scientific proof, you should be able to prove Christianity is based on scientific proof, right?
The bottom-line is that BOTH require FAITH, Gravy.
And you’re just a petty, small-minded religious bigot.
Dusty
October 17th, 2012
12:17 am
POLITICO
Why are you here berating all conservatives when you say you are not voting for Romney or Obama? All this namecalling just for fun?
Maybe you are sick or just not honest in what you say.. Either way is bad news.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:18 am
Dusty
I said Obama was a liar as well and a clown just as Romney is
What do you want? If you are in love with Romney and Gravy Train is in love with Obama that is your choice.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:21 am
“I said Obama was a liar as well and a clown just as Romney is”
And yet every attempt you’ve made to prove Romney lied has come straight from the DNC handbook, Politico.
Epic failure on your part to make a case.
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:22 am
Maybe you are sick or just not honest in what you say.. Either way is bad news.
Nah, just one more Lib Loser who can’t argue his way out of a paper bag. Then, when all else fails, he falls back on grade school blog gossip in order to save face.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:23 am
Actually you cherry picked the post and didn’t address all of them, but if you feel better about yourself and Wingfield is going to send you a gold star, then I do not want to stop him from doing so.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:25 am
Bruno
Don’t cry man. It will be ok.
The sun will shine tomorrow and we will have one of two clowns elected in November.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:27 am
Bruno
And facts are not gossip. If the truth to you is “gossip” that is on you, but believe as you see fit. You are a grown man.
Take care everyone
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:28 am
“Actually you cherry picked the post and didn’t address all of them”
No, I think I covered them all, Politico.
.
Another failure for you
Matz
October 17th, 2012
12:30 am
“… and they brought us whole binders full of women!”
HAHAHAHA! ROFLMAO
Dusty
October 17th, 2012
12:32 am
POLITICO
I think maybe you ARE sick. This is politics not a love affair. You fall all over Obama and then start smirking and insinuating ol’ stuff.. Move on! You are making yourself look lower than dirt.
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:32 am
And facts are not gossip. If the truth to you is “gossip” that is on you, but believe as you see fit.
There are only a few folks who know the truth of why I left the Bookman Blog, and you aren’t one of them.
You are a grown man.
And you apparently aren’t, so buzz off, loser.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:32 am
“… and they brought us whole binders full of women!”
So you’re saying that Romney DIDN’T have the highest ratio of women executives in state governments across the nation, Matz?
Make your case.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:33 am
Get your last word in Bruno
Sure it makes you feel better.
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:34 am
Hey, Matz, hope you caught the Winwood vid above. Cool stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9t7pcF8rJQ
Bruno
October 17th, 2012
12:37 am
Sure it makes you feel better.
Listen, loser, I was cordial to you and gave you a chance to have a discussion. But since you immediately turned into a total POS, you’re on permanent ignore. Get your kicks somewhere else.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:37 am
Dusty
You can post something of me doing anything more than dogging out Obama?
Of course you can’t but you are so simple you still said I “fell all over him”.
WOW
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
12:38 am
Take the rest of the night to get your stories straight, libs.
We’ll handle you all later in the morning.
Goodnight, Bruno and Dusty.
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:38 am
get that last word Bruno
Politico
October 17th, 2012
12:39 am
You gave no chance, but it is alright if you say you did
You only wanted to read pro Romney or bad Obama
I bad mouthed them both and you were at a loss
getalife
October 17th, 2012
12:40 am
As predicted, our President destroyed mitt like Biden did to ryan.
Better luck in 16 cons.
Matz
October 17th, 2012
12:40 am
“I don’t always organize my women, but when I do, I prefer to put them in binders.” ~ Mittens
Dusty
October 17th, 2012
12:51 am
Goodnight, Tiberius. I’m gone too.
ODD OWL
October 17th, 2012
2:06 am
Bottom line…. You can’t trust a man who don’t drink coffee, don’t drink beer, never had a shot of white lightening and never smoke a little weed… Everything in moderation is a good thing… Romney ==> extreme and unbalanced…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 17th, 2012
7:35 am
ODD OWL calling someone extreme and unbalanced.
Anyone else see the irony in that?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
7:36 am
Clean up on aisle Romney.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
7:38 am
Electronic voting machines owned by Mitt Romney’s business buddies and set to count the votes in Cincinnati could decide the 2012 election.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/12130-will-hig-owned-e-voting-machines-give-romney-the-white-house
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 17th, 2012
7:47 am
Equally terrifying, according to Obama, is the prospect of women paying for their own birth control pills. This is a “pocket book issue” for them, he said in one of his more ludicrous demagogic stretches of the night.
It’s insane that this has even become an issue in this time of national crisis but I guess it is something that doesn’t fly over the head of your average dummycrat.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 17th, 2012
7:50 am
“YOU KNOW I MEAN WHAT I SAY!” the president declared after discussing Libya.
I would make an ad out of this.
iggy
October 17th, 2012
7:54 am
“Electronic voting machines owned by Mitt Romney’s business buddies and set to count the votes in Cincinnati could decide the 2012 election.”
Im betting those machines internal mechanisms will register all votes forr Romney. This is craziness, CRAZINESS I SAY!!
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
8:04 am
…the prospect of women paying for their own birth control pills.
Yep, because women who are now paying for their own health insurance – that could and should cover those pills – does not play out as well in the Limbaugh-led war on women circle jerk.
But it sure does serve the sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis right, huh?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
8:25 am
“Electronic voting machines owned by Mitt Romney’s business buddies and set to count the votes in Cincinnati could decide the 2012 election. ”
Despite ALL evidence since electronic voting machines have been in place showing it is impossible for them to be hacked, this crap still surfaces every year.
And it’s no surprise Finn’s scouring of websites to get his opinions given to him has been the one to find it again.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
8:36 am
“Yep, because women who are now paying for their own health insurance – that could and should cover those pills”
I’d ask you to make the case for contraceptives needing to be covered by health insurance, but that would be asking for the impossible, AmVet.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 17th, 2012
8:45 am
I’d ask you to make the case for contraceptives needing to be covered by health insurance, but that would be asking for the impossible, AmVet.
Republicans are against abortion right.
Wanna stop a ton of them.
Cheap or free contraceptives.
This is why im not a Republican and never will be.
Half of their positions contradict the other ones.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
8:47 am
Sunspot tibby, go take a little blue pill (covered by insurance policies) to go get it up, big dog.
(Sean Hannity would be proud of you.)
And if you have an intelligent rebuttal to make that lasts longer than four hours, go see your doctor…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
8:50 am
Romney was stuttering at the end. Poor guy.
RW-(the original)
October 17th, 2012
8:51 am
Well if Truth-Out dot org says it then it must be true because as rumor has it you can’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true. Oh and if you’ll recall it was a crackhead at truth out dot org that brought you the “Karl Rove has been indicted” scoop that had the triple-l’s around here salivating a few years back.
Nice touch getting the excuses lined up early this time around though.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
8:52 am
How about Romney claiming he will create more jobs and then stuttering “Government doesn’t create jobs”?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
8:53 am
Cheesy, you’re not a Republican because you believe that government should provide for us from birth to death.
It has nothing to do with your erroneous claims of GOP contradicting positions.
Personal responsibility is like garlic to a vampire to you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
8:55 am
“How about Romney claiming he will create more jobs and then stuttering “Government doesn’t create jobs”?”
Considering that Romney’s plans are to get government OUT OF THE WAY to create those jobs, his comment is perfectly correct, Finn.
But that would take more than a sound bite’s worth of knowledge for you to understand that.
iggy
October 17th, 2012
8:56 am
Cheesy, like Finn, is for womb to tomb govt interferance.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 17th, 2012
9:01 am
92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.
33 killed at American embassies under Bush.
4 killed at American embassies under Obama.
President Obama is right. He has the BEST record of defending our embassies.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:02 am
Poor, pitiful, AmVet.
Can’t even pay attention to the stuff he’s failing to debunk.
I asked about contraceptives, fool, neither specifying women’s nor men’s.
However, since you brought it up, I don’t know why ED solutions need to be covered by health insurance, either.
Of course, you’ve opened up the whole can of worms on why health insurance is so expensive, anyway. Biggest reason? Policies that are mandated, either by state laws or the companies themselves, that are designed to cover almost anything that might ever be wrong with you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:03 am
“92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.
33 killed at American embassies under Bush.
4 killed at American embassies under Obama.”
And only one of them is running for re-election this year, and only one of them lied about how it happened.
And it’s the same guy in both cases.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 17th, 2012
9:06 am
Cheesy, you’re not a Republican because you believe that government should provide for us from birth to death.
No i dont.
But there are some common sense things they can do.
Like provide condoms to teenagers and poor women.
Unwanted pregnancies will go down. Hence fewer Abortions.
But Republicans dont support that. They support abstinence programs which dont work.
That leads to unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
The very thing they say they are against.
It just doesnt add up.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 17th, 2012
9:09 am
And only one of them is running for re-election this year, and only one of them lied about how it happened.
And it’s the same guy in both cases.
Thats your opinion.
What I stated was fact.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 17th, 2012
9:10 am
Obama continues with the lies about why the four people died!
Maybe, hopefully, Monday, Romney will force him to answer some questions, that he has avoided so far. Candy threw him a life preserver last night, hopefully, Monday’s debate host will be more restrained.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:11 am
Personal responsibility has been bred out of the American people since the 1950’s and early 1960’s. People like Cheesy celebrate a government education system that tells you that it isn’t your fault when you don’t succeed, or when you do something wrong.
Cheesy is Obama’s Julia, cradled in the bosom of government; never exceeding, just getting by.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 17th, 2012
9:12 am
Cheesy, ED drugs are not covered by insurance. I know that you knew that, but it doesn’t stop you from throwing it out every time you can.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
9:14 am
Four dead Americans is great news for the worst of our war weary (LOL) suddenly soft since January 21, 2009 on terrorism Republicans.
Granted it doesn’t make up for those SEALS all getting home safely alive after taking out Public Enemy Number One per the orders from President Obama.
But hey! It’s a start!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
9:17 am
Hold Obama accountable for 4 dead in Libya but give W a pass on 3,000 dead in 2001.
You Cons are desperate.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:18 am
Cheesy, Obama is the only one running for re-election – FACT.
Obama lied about the spontaneous nature of this attack for two weeks – FACT.
They knew within 24 hours of the attack that there was no demonstration – FACT.
Your blind defense of the indefensible merely points out that you are incapable of seeing reality.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
9:18 am
Personal responsibility has been bred out of the American people since the 1950’s and early 1960’s.
Tiberius, why do you hate America and what it is and what it stands for? You don’t like what you see, go kick rocks.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
9:19 am
Obama said it was a terrorist attack while in the Rose garden – FACT!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 17th, 2012
9:19 am
Tiberius is right in that medical insurance policies are so expensive because government requires they be the same for everyone. People should have the option of buying a policy tailored to their needs. If you think you will need mental/emotional coverage (someone like Joe Biden) then you should have to pay more to add that to your policy. If you think you might need addiction rehab later, you should have to add that to a basic policy. People who don’t think they need those things should be able to pay for a bare bones policy and they should be able to select the amount of benefits they want. Do they want the insurance to cover every trip to the doctor or just cover hospital expenses. It should be like auto insurance, sit down with your agents, asses your risks and buy what you need.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
9:20 am
Cons are testy this morning.
Whaaaaaa!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:22 am
Finn, I hate America for what you and your moochers are turning it into.
A shell of it’s former greatness.
If you think America is so great, why do you keep trying to change it? And don’t say you’re improving it, because every metric out there says we’re in a decline.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 17th, 2012
9:22 am
Finn
No, he said no terrorist attack can go unpunished or something to that effect. He never called it a terrorist attack until two weeks or so passed. This is a MarkV argument.
Finn I get you and Cheesy confused, you are always on here at the same time, spouting the same BS. Any objection to me just calling you Fineesy?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:25 am
“Obama said it was a terrorist attack while in the Rose garden – FACT!”
If he was so convinced that it was a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden the next day, why did he deny it for two weeks, Finn?
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
9:30 am
Finn, I hate America…
Air Iran is ready when you are.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 17th, 2012
9:31 am
Tib
I thought Romney missed a hanging curveball last night when Obama failed to answer the lady’s question about why nothing was done after two requests for more security.
He had limited time, but I think he blew it when he didn’t say right off, “he as usual did not answer your question”. He could have then blasted him for failing to protect our people, but he was so intent on pointing out how Obama lied when he blamed it on the video, he didn’t address the lack of security issue. Candy bailed out Obama and Romney seemed to miss a chance to make two important points. What did you think of this exchange?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:33 am
AmVet, if the only way you can make a response is to parse someone’s comment, you prove how intellectually bereft you really are.
But we knew that from day one with you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:35 am
Agreed, Rafe. While Romney still did well last night, especially on detailing the stark failure of Obama’s record in that late answer to why that guy shouldn’t vote for Obama again, he had some missed opportunities as well.
But I’m not going to Monday morning quarterback him for not getting every point across in that limited format and with that moderator.
PROUD NAVY VET
October 17th, 2012
9:36 am
Why do so many people think the Keystone pipeline is going to change everything? The oil companies are going to sell the oil on the open market just like all of the oil is sold today. The oil is not going to stay in the United States.Why do some people think the oil belongs to the US? It mostly comes from Canada.
I say use up the oil in the Middle-East. Once it’s gone the importance of the region sharply decreases.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:40 am
“Why do so many people think the Keystone pipeline is going to change everything? ”
Why do so many people post nonsense like this?
Energy infrastructure is the first thing we need to get to energy independence, but it won’t “change everything”.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 17th, 2012
9:40 am
Proud Navy Vet
The main thing is that it increases the world supply of oil and should in lower gasoline prices, plus we benefit from all the jobs building and maintaining the pipeline, and jobs refining the oil into gasoline and jobs transporting it to where it is going. It is not “going to change everything” but is a no brainer step in the right direction. Not building it is simply stupid.
PROUD NAVY VET
October 17th, 2012
9:41 am
Candy did an outstanding job. Both men were rude and over talked her. They would have over talked anyone setting in her chair. She was great!! She brought the disscussion back when both men didn’t answer thhe question, pressed them to stay on track and it was clear when they both were dodging the question. Both refused to answer some questions.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 17th, 2012
9:41 am
“in theory lower gasoline prices”, it should say.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 17th, 2012
9:53 am
“Candy did an outstanding job.”
Yeah, of protecting Obama when the questions got too uncomfortable for him.
PROUD NAVY VET
October 17th, 2012
10:08 am
Gas prices are set by Wall Street. When Iran said they were going to block the Strait, Wall Street increased the price of oil while no action was taken. An hour after Iran made the threat, the price dramatically increased the cost of a gallon of gas while it was already in the ground, being pumped by us. Why? No action was taken. The President, whomever is in the Oval Office, can no more control the cost of gas then he/she can control the price of a Big Mac. Unless an executive order is isissued to take over the cost. Wall Street does what they want. They set the price on everything.
Georgia
October 17th, 2012
10:37 am
We need to neutralize the moderator. Maybe we could use replacement moderators. Maybe we could use one of those apes that knows sign language. or Lassie. “What’s the matter Lassie?” ruff ruff. “I’ve used all my time?” ruff ruff “And I lied?” ruff ruff “and there’s a kitty in the well?” ruff ruff
PROUD NAVY VET
October 17th, 2012
6:38 pm
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