Round 2: Live thread for second Obama-Romney debate

UPDATE at 10:28 p.m.: Predicted sound-bite highlights of the night: Romney’s devastating rundown of the failed economic recovery the past four years, Obama’s comment that it’s “offensive” for Romney to suggest he and his administration weren’t forthright about Benghazi attacks. The former was the best, most sustained argument of the night from either man. The latter, a perfect way for Obama sympathizers to say “the president is back!” We’ll see which one — or something else — resonated the most with voters.

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UPDATE at 9:54 p.m.: One story line tomorrow will be the way Romney dinged George W. Bush for his budget deficits. And, also in his answer to the way he differs from Bush, says his party “has been focused on big business for too long” and should be more focused on small business. That answer flies in the face of one of Obama’s main lines of attack tonight.

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UPDATE at 9:36 p.m.: Obama says, “It’s just not true.” Romney says, “It’s absolutely true.” The topic doesn’t matter — it’s been like that all night. This one will go to the fact-checkers.

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UPDATE at 9:15 p.m.: So far, “aggressive Obama” sounds a lot like “lecturing Obama.” He also is making a big bet that viewers will believe his argument that Romney only cares about Big Business and “the rich.” We’ll see how well the two work as a combo.

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Will we finally see a second-term vision from President Obama tonight? That’s the advice from Democratic consultant extraordinaire James Carville’s firm, Democracy Corps:

The campaign has reached a tipping point where we believe the president has to offer a bold narrative, policies and choice if he is to win re-election and get to a substantial enough victory that enables him to govern and face the great challenges ahead. The first debate really did disrupt the race and presents a painful real-time test of what happens when the president tries to convince people of progress and offer a very modest vision of future change. Voters are not looking for continuity but changes that help the average Joe.

So far, Obama’s second-term vision consists of more of the things he did with Democratic majorities in Congress or would have accomplished, if it weren’t for those darn Republicans after the 2010 midterm “shellacking.” Put another way: leftovers.

Carville’s firm suggests he try something else — but in fact, the advice looks a lot like using better, more poll-tested ways of saying essentially what he’s been saying all along. This is a bit reminiscent of Obama’s customary excuse that he just hasn’t explained himself well enough. And if Obama does come out with new proposals tonight, will that be satisfactory to undecided voters — or will they see it as a cynical ploy this late in the game?

We shall see. The live-blogging will commence shortly after the debate does, and I’ll be tweeting my thoughts as well.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

October 17th, 2012
9:33 am

AmVet, if the only way you can make a response is to parse someone’s comment, you prove how intellectually bereft you really are.

But we knew that from day one with you.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

October 17th, 2012
9:35 am

Agreed, Rafe. While Romney still did well last night, especially on detailing the stark failure of Obama’s record in that late answer to why that guy shouldn’t vote for Obama again, he had some missed opportunities as well.

But I’m not going to Monday morning quarterback him for not getting every point across in that limited format and with that moderator.

PROUD NAVY VET

October 17th, 2012
9:36 am

Why do so many people think the Keystone pipeline is going to change everything? The oil companies are going to sell the oil on the open market just like all of the oil is sold today. The oil is not going to stay in the United States.Why do some people think the oil belongs to the US? It mostly comes from Canada.

I say use up the oil in the Middle-East. Once it’s gone the importance of the region sharply decreases.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

October 17th, 2012
9:40 am

“Why do so many people think the Keystone pipeline is going to change everything? ”

Why do so many people post nonsense like this?

Energy infrastructure is the first thing we need to get to energy independence, but it won’t “change everything”.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

October 17th, 2012
9:40 am

Proud Navy Vet

The main thing is that it increases the world supply of oil and should in lower gasoline prices, plus we benefit from all the jobs building and maintaining the pipeline, and jobs refining the oil into gasoline and jobs transporting it to where it is going. It is not “going to change everything” but is a no brainer step in the right direction. Not building it is simply stupid.

PROUD NAVY VET

October 17th, 2012
9:41 am

Candy did an outstanding job. Both men were rude and over talked her. They would have over talked anyone setting in her chair. She was great!! She brought the disscussion back when both men didn’t answer thhe question, pressed them to stay on track and it was clear when they both were dodging the question. Both refused to answer some questions.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

October 17th, 2012
9:41 am

“in theory lower gasoline prices”, it should say.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

October 17th, 2012
9:53 am

“Candy did an outstanding job.”

Yeah, of protecting Obama when the questions got too uncomfortable for him.

PROUD NAVY VET

October 17th, 2012
10:08 am

Gas prices are set by Wall Street. When Iran said they were going to block the Strait, Wall Street increased the price of oil while no action was taken. An hour after Iran made the threat, the price dramatically increased the cost of a gallon of gas while it was already in the ground, being pumped by us. Why? No action was taken. The President, whomever is in the Oval Office, can no more control the cost of gas then he/she can control the price of a Big Mac. Unless an executive order is isissued to take over the cost. Wall Street does what they want. They set the price on everything.

Georgia

October 17th, 2012
10:37 am

We need to neutralize the moderator. Maybe we could use replacement moderators. Maybe we could use one of those apes that knows sign language. or Lassie. “What’s the matter Lassie?” ruff ruff. “I’ve used all my time?” ruff ruff “And I lied?” ruff ruff “and there’s a kitty in the well?” ruff ruff

PROUD NAVY VET

October 17th, 2012
6:38 pm

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