What matters today and tomorrow from yesterday’s debate
A few more thoughts from last night’s debate between Vice President Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan before we move on:
1. This was a trial run for the second presidential debate, especially in light of President Obama’s comment this week that he was “too polite” the first time around. I don’t think Obama will follow Biden’s lead exactly — in fact, I assume part of the strategy was for Biden to be so over the top with his laughs, smirks and interruptions that Obama can be fairly rude toward Mitt Romney next week but look gentlemanly by comparison. If nothing else, the media’s panning of Biden’s demeanor will surely dissuade Obama from going too far in that direction.
2. That said, Obama almost certainly will pick up where Biden left off — and from his own recent stump speeches — in branding Romney as dishonest. I noted this last night, but a clear part of Biden’s plan was to call Ryan’s credibility into question with labels such as “malarkey” and “incredible.” The laughs were surely part of that, too: This guy’s lying so much I’m ROTFL! The problem is that Biden’s subsequent “arguments” about Ryan’s accuracy rarely amounted to more than “that’s wrong!” And he told a number of whoppers himself. To name a few:
- saying there had been no requests for additional security in Benghazi, despite testimony to the contrary on Capitol Hill this week;
- saying he voted against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, when in fact he voted to authorize both;
- saying Obamacare does not force Catholic institutions to subsidize contraceptives and abortifacients against their religious convictions, which is patently false — or else we’d never heard about the “war on women” when those institutions and the GOP objected to the coercion;
- saying Sarah Palin talked about “death panels” during the 2008 vice presidential debate, when quite obviously that phrase wasn’t coined until months later when Obamacare was proposed.
Some of that’s fluff — in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t really matter when Palin started talking about death panels — but much of it gets to substance. And for all the talk from the left about Biden’s supposed superiority on substance, I have to ask: When was that? He was wrong about Libya (as noted above); wrong about the tax cuts being scheduled to expire for “millionaires and billionaires” (they’re scheduled to expire for everyone, and there is no tax bracket solely for “millionaires” or “billionaires”); wrong about Obamacare’s effects on health-care providers; wrong about how Ryan’s proposed premium support model for Medicare would work and whether it is a bipartisan idea.
3. He was spot-on correct, however, in his recitation of Democratic caricatures and talking points. But none of that was new. Nor was it likely to resonate beyond the Democratic base — which, as with the Democratic National Convention, was the entire intended audience. We’ll see if, as with the DNC, that’s reflected in the momentum of the race. As Mary Matalin said on CNN last night, when you’re still having to rally your base this close to the election, you’re not in good shape.
4. I noted on Twitter last night that Ryan was doing a better job of bringing the discussion back to Romney than Biden was to Obama. Now someone has done the math: Ryan made 26 references to Romney, Biden just one to Obama. It’s as if the Obama campaign was trying to make up lost ground in the race by making the public forget Obama’s the one running for president …
5. Finally, in case you never thought you could laugh like Biden, Current TV (that’s Al Gore’s network) analyst David Shuster said the debate had made Biden “the frontrunner for 2016.”
If true, Republicans surely think that was the very best news of the day.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
11:36 am
Paul Ryan Told 24 Myths In 40 Minutes
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/paul-ryan-told-24-myths-40-minutes
ouch
fair and balanced
October 12th, 2012
11:48 am
Joe Biden put the 47% of the population dissed by Romney out on the table for all to see who was included and then took a jab at Romney’s low tax rate. Response from Ryan was the flippant “oh he misspoke like you often do.” Give me a break if that is the best Romney/Ryan can do with numerous similar comments throughout the campaign about the other guy giving away the “free stuff” and other comments about freeloaders.
Man up to the comment if that is your belief and let us judge you by it.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
11:54 am
It was a wipe out win for Biden.
My favorite was when Ryan criticized the stimulus then was forced to admit he had asked for stimulus funds.
WOW.
Alot of women after that debate have no doubt either that their reproductive decisions will not be made by them under Romney/Ryan
The Government will be making those decisions for them.
Hillbilly D
October 12th, 2012
11:59 am
What matters today and tomorrow from yesterday’s debate
Honestly, probably nothing. The campaign has been going on for 3 1/2 years. Hard to see how anybody’s mind isn’t made up by now.
JF McNamara
October 12th, 2012
12:00 pm
I thought you were going to say something to the effect of, Ryan and Romney don’t actually have a plan on fixing entitlements since they have no details on what they will cut. A plan without details is an idea. They need to step up and put together a real plan and say what they are going to do. They would demand the same of Obama.
On the other side, Biden ducked the question on how they would actually attack entitlements. Not cutting benefits is not a plan on something that we can already see becoming unsustainable.
Double that with both parties being non-committal on when they can get unemployment down, and no one really said anything. In a sense, neither party had a real answer on two of the top questions.
One in the hand in worth two in the bush, and Ryan didn’t show he actually had anything in the bush except ideas and promises. You’d need to be pretty specific to sway me back that way after what Bush did. All I’m seeing is them duck questions on the details.
Mr. Holmes
October 12th, 2012
12:00 pm
Best evidence that Biden won: All the Right can do today is whine about how “rude” Joe was and how Raddatz was “obviously biased” against Ryan.
In politics as in sports, when you’re reduced to complaining about the refs and your opponent’s “dirty play,” chances are you’re probably not the winner of the contest.
Bruno
October 12th, 2012
12:02 pm
He was spot-on correct, however, in his recitation of Democratic caricatures and talking points. But none of that was new. Nor was it likely to resonate beyond the Democratic base — which, as with the Democratic National Convention, was the entire intended audience.
Which was obvious to me as well, Kyle. Predictably, the brain-dead Libs here think it was some kind of run away win for Biden. If it had been a contest to see who could be the bigger A-hole, I might agree with them.
Rarely does the VP selection matter much to the American public, but I can say without hesitation that I would be much more comfortable with a young, inexperienced Paul Ryan at the helm than a shoot-from-the-hip jackass like Biden.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
October 12th, 2012
12:04 pm
5. Finally, in case you never thought you could laugh like Biden, Current TV (that’s Al Gore’s network) analyst David Shuster said the debate had made Biden “the frontrunner for 2016.”
The above isn’t a lie, so I don’t think I will be laughing like Biden was at Ryan. But I will laugh at the statement in my own way. And maybe add my own
<—
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
12:04 pm
Forgot about the 47 percent stuff.
That is the real Romney.
Not the guy you see up there smiling and saying what people want to here.
Russ Moore
October 12th, 2012
12:05 pm
Kyle, allow me to be the first conservative to echo your points. Ryan was respectful and on-point. Biden was rude and immature. His tactic of smiling with disdain and being condescending (to Ryan and, surprisingly, also to the female moderator) are taken from the Al Gore playbook. I give the debate to Eddie Munster by a hair plug.
iggy
October 12th, 2012
12:12 pm
Thanks to Joe, the VP debate was entertaining. Joe was typical Joe. Ryan was typical Ryan.
In the long run this debate will not much matter.
The Almighty has already decided that Obama must be tossed out and sent back to where ever he came from. Romney has been pre-ordained to be the 2012 Presidential winner. It will happen.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
12:13 pm
Biden/Warren 2016?
Hmmmmmm
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
12:14 pm
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:
The truth is starting to come out.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
12:14 pm
Will be interesting to see if Lyin Ryan not only loses the VP seat, but also loses his Wisconsin House seat.
That would be a grand slam.
Mr. Holmes
October 12th, 2012
12:15 pm
I think I’d prefer Warren/Biden 2016. Joe seems to be pretty good at this VP thing.
iggy
October 12th, 2012
12:16 pm
“The truth is starting to come out.”
That truth being more misappropriation of funds by The State Dept. In typical Hillary fashion, she let those people be murdered so she could cast blame.
Mr. Holmes
October 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
Yes, Iggy. In much the same way George Bush let those 3,000 people die on 9/11 so he could get a 90% approval rating.
Both ideas are equally preposterous.
A dad
October 12th, 2012
12:19 pm
I’m sure there was stretching of the facts by both sides last night, but what struck me the most was how absolutely childish and arrogant Biden was. Smirking, laughing, constantly interrupting, and being just down right rude. If I were the moderator I would have said something, and probably made him go stand in the corner. This man is our current VP. and last night was just a prime example of how the Obama administration has done in its attempts to build a coalition. Coalition? Sure, if that means the GOP votes the way Obama wants on every issue.
Am a bit baffled at those who say Biden won. I didn’t see a clear cut winner along the lines of Romney’s absolute spanking of Obama, and am really looking forward to the next Presidential debate to see if Obama can perform without his teleprompter.
Biden is an @ss, and a rude condescending one at that. I can only imagine the comments if Ryan had behaved as abysmally towards Biden as Biden did Ryan last night.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
12:21 pm
That truth being more misappropriation of funds by The State Dept. In typical Hillary fashion, she let those people be murdered so she could cast blame.
She didn’t have the funds they requested.
Republicans cut the budget.
Hey but dont let that stop you and Kyle and Cheesy Grits from trying to score political points with dead bodies.
Aquagirl
October 12th, 2012
12:21 pm
In typical Hillary fashion, she let those people be murdered so she could cast blame.
It wasn’t her fault…her evil ladyparts made her do it.
AtlSteve
October 12th, 2012
12:21 pm
Biden proved to be Biden…obnoxious & overbearing. Quite often interrupting Ryan and presenting false facts. Being loud and obnoxoius doesn’t make you the winner. I would say his manner probably cost Obama more votes than Biden got for him.
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2012
12:26 pm
“Biden/Warren 2016?”
Please, please, don’t throw me into that briar patch!!
iggy
October 12th, 2012
12:26 pm
It could be as simple a Joe experiencing cramping and post menopausal hot flashes.
Mr. Holmes
October 12th, 2012
12:27 pm
Y’know, I did think Biden went slightly too far with what clearly was a strategy of aggressiveness and never letting a Ryan lie go unchallenged, but it’s very entertaining to see all these noble warriors of the Right crying like a bunch of little girls today because that mean old man pushed their favorite nerd around the schoolyard.
This is the party of strength, right? The party of no compromise? The party of American exceptionalism and no apologies? What a bunch of cr@p. The modern GOP is nothing more than a trembling collection of chickenhawk bullies who fold like a cheap card table the minute someone stands up to them.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
12:27 pm
Biden proved to be Biden…obnoxious & overbearing. Quite often interrupting Ryan and presenting false facts. Being loud and obnoxoius doesn’t make you the winner. I would say his manner probably cost Obama more votes than Biden got for him.
When they are complaining Biden was “rude” you know he won big.
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2012
12:29 pm
Cheesy: You don’t get it. I’m certainly not “complaining” about Biden’s rudeness. I’m merely arguing that the very thing that you found entertaining and guffaw-worthy probably turned off more voters than not.
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
12:32 pm
HD, is correct, of course.
The election was over months ago.
These dog and pony shows change nada.
Better luck in 2016…
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
12:33 pm
Cheesy: You don’t get it. I’m certainly not “complaining” about Biden’s rudeness. I’m merely arguing that the very thing that you found entertaining and guffaw-worthy probably turned off more voters than not.
Spin.
MarkV
October 12th, 2012
12:38 pm
Kyle claims that Biden told a number of whoppers himself, and in the very first example he gives he distorts Biden’s reply by writing: “ saying there had been no requests for additional security in Benghazi, despite testimony to the contrary on Capitol Hill this week.”
But that is no what Biden said. He never said that “there had been no requests.” What he said was: “Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again. We did not know they wanted more security again.” Nobody on Capitol Hill testified that the President or the VP had seen such requests. And if Kyle wants to argue that “we weren’t told” encompasses everybody in the government, it will be an utterly ridiculous argument.
A dad
October 12th, 2012
12:40 pm
Holmes and Cheesy:
I must be old-fashioned. I expected someone who holds the office of VP to act more in accordance with the status of that office. As for substance, all he did was name call and smirk. Just so happy for you that those are the traits you desire in your VP. Tactics, strategy, etc. aside, I’m hearing a lot of people were really turned off by Biden’s antics last night. Thanks Joe. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out in January.
Del
October 12th, 2012
12:46 pm
Kyle, I think you’re right that Biden’s style was a trial balloon for next week. Obama’s campaign managers will be looking to see if Biden moves the needle one way or the other. If there’s a shift in Obama’s favor, which I doubt, Obama may take on an aggressive posture in the second debate. If it appears by Monday that Romney has continuing momentum or it remains about the same as it is now Obama will have to make some tough tactical decisions. He has no margin for error another poor or even mediocre showing and he’s finished. Strategically Obama will have to successfully attack Romney’s credibility but will he attempt to do so by borrowing from Biden’s style or attempt another approach. Obama’s good at attacking and throwing barbs out on the stump but not so good one on one. The pressure will be mostly on Obama in this next round. Romney drew blood and won the first round decisively so all he has to do is appear very presidential and look for opportunities to force a very concerned possibly scared Obama into making mistakes or even making a fatal mistake.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
12:51 pm
I must be old-fashioned. I expected someone who holds the office of VP to act more in accordance with the status of that office
Ill bet you didn’t have a problem with Palin winking however.
Again if the best they have is that Biden was rude to the little schoolboy.
He won big.
Kyle Wingfield
October 12th, 2012
12:52 pm
Apparently, “spin” to Cheesy means “anything I disagree with.”
I stand by my earlier recommendation that you get a new dictionary.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 12th, 2012
12:53 pm
al-Gore couldn’t have done it better.
Del
October 12th, 2012
12:55 pm
“Republicans cut the budget.”
Cheesy,
A state department official either Kennedy or Lamb when asked if the decision not to provide the additional security requested was because of insufficient money the answer was “no”.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:02 pm
A state department official either Kennedy or Lamb when asked if the decision not to provide the additional security requested was because of insufficient money the answer was “no”.
The additional security wouldn’t have been needed if Republicans hadn’t gutted the budget in the first place.
Whats your point ?
#1 – Republicans have been cutting hundreds of millions out of Obama’s proposed budget for embassy security and that put all embassies at risk.
#2 – The Paul Ryan Budget that every House Republican voted for cut funding to the State Department by 20% that includes funding for embassy security.
#3 – President Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr. and now Obama have all had attacks on embassies under their watch. Under Bush – 7 different attacks took place where people died.
#4 – Officials at the State Department did turn down requests for funding at the Libyan Embassy although the Regional Security officer of Libya – Eric Nordstrom – did not believe having additional agents would have prevented the assault.
Case closed.
A dad
October 12th, 2012
1:03 pm
Cheesy – I didn’t watch Palin’s debate, nor did I vote R last time around. If you think Biden won big, then nothing you would ever read, see, hear, etc., would change that viewpoint, and that you believe thusly shows that any attempt to have an actual intellectual debate with you is about as pointless as Biden was an @ss last night. Have a nice day dude.
iggy
October 12th, 2012
1:04 pm
Hillary lied our diplomats died. <—Simple as that.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:05 pm
Apparently, “spin” to Cheesy means “anything I disagree with.
No it means you are basically making the same old ” Biden was a big meanie ” argument but in a little different way.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:06 pm
Hillary lied our diplomats died. <—Simple as that.
Unfortunately it isn’t.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:07 pm
Have a nice day dude.
You too big guy.
Del
October 12th, 2012
1:08 pm
Cheesy,
It’s clear you haven’t been following the facts that have been coming out in the aftermath of this tragic terrorist attack in Libya.
Jaynie
October 12th, 2012
1:09 pm
You’re complaining about Biden being rude becuase he smiled and chuckled? You didn’t complain when Ryan said rape was a method of conception that did not change the definition of life. No abortion ever per Ryan. He is in favor of women who have been raped being forced to bear their rapist’s baby. Don’t you think the person who had suffered the rape should make that call instead of the Big Daddy Government? Ryan is a jerk. Of course none of these guys are prizes, but at least the Obama/Biden party don’t think I should have to suffer rape, suffer pregnancy, suffer child birth, then be on my own with a baby born from violence. A woman can certainly bear that child if SHE chooses. She can keep that child if SHE chooses. She can give up that baby for adoption if SHE chooses. A woman can also choose not to bear a child that is a result of rape. A woman should certainly have a choice, whatever that choice is.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:11 pm
Mitt Romney has been using one of the victims – a slain Navy Seal – in his stump speech to further politicize this; the Navy Seal’s mother has asked him to stop HERE:
“I don’t trust Romney. He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda,” Barbara Doherty told Boston’s WHDH. “It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”
Shameful.
A President Romney would really make you proud of America huh.
A man who will say or take any position to win. Who will use the death of American soldiers for his own political gain. The same man WHO NOT ONCE MENTIONED THE TROOPS AT HIS CONVENTION !!!!
I almost hope you guys get what your asking for. But I dont know if this country can survive another Republican Administration. Especially after the last one.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:12 pm
Cheesy,
It’s clear you haven’t been following the facts that have been coming out in the aftermath of this tragic terrorist attack in Libya.
Its clear you’ve been getting yours from one source.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
1:14 pm
“But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“: ”
Cheesy, you need to learn about the appropriations cycle before posting this nonsense again.
The House passed a couple of budgets which cut funding for embassy security, true, but that only tells half the story (as you libs so love to do when you don’t know the facts).
The other half is that the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in over 1,000 days, which means that ALL previous funding levels are available to every agency since the last budget was passed – 3 years ago. So it doesn’t matter what the Republicans passed or who voted for what; the dollars are still there if an agency requests to use them.
The State Dept. didn’t bother to approve the requested funding. The State Dept. is the diplomatic arm of the Obama administration, therefore the Obama administration is responsible for funding levels. It is the State Dept. under President Obama that got those 4 Americans killed.
No spin. Just facts. Learn them instead of DNC talking points.
Del
October 12th, 2012
1:14 pm
“Eric Nordstrom – did not believe having additional agents would have prevented the assault.”
I think you got that from a NYT’s report on the hearings. Nordstrom was very critical of the State Departments failure to provide additional security. Preventing the assault isn’t the issue, the issue is there wasn’t sufficient security to thwart the assault or at least hold it off long enough for the arrival of a reaction force.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:14 pm
A woman can also choose not to bear a child that is a result of rape. A woman should certainly have a choice, whatever that choice is.
And that choice will be gone with Romney/Ryan.
The Government will make that decision for you little lady.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:16 pm
Preventing the assault isn’t the issue, the issue is there wasn’t sufficient security to thwart the assault or at least hold it off long enough for the arrival of a reaction force.
Because of Republican budget cuts.
and round and round we go.
Del
October 12th, 2012
1:16 pm
Cheesy,
I watched the hearings live, did you?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:16 pm
Cheesy,
I watched the hearings live, did you?
No I have a job.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
1:17 pm
“No abortion ever per Ryan.”
Jaynie, in case you missed it, this will be the ROMNEY / Ryan administration, and as President, Mitt Romney believes in exceptions to abortion. Limited ones, but exceptions nevertheless.
Del
October 12th, 2012
1:18 pm
“Because of Republican budget cuts.”
One trick pony. If you had watched the hearings you would know budget cuts had nothing to do with it. Well maybe you would know.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:19 pm
Mitt Romney believes in exceptions to abortion. Limited ones, but exceptions nevertheless.
He is just saying that now. When he gets in office that will get etch a sketched right out.
Abortion will become illegal again under Romney.
There can be no doubt.
Del
October 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
Cheesy,
A sitting president doesn’t have the power to make abortions illegal.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
A sitting president doesn’t have the power to make abortions illegal.
Yes he does. He can appoint SC judges to do just that
And Romney will have that chance.
And he will do it.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:30 pm
“There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” Romney said.
During the primaries, Romney promised to end federal funding of Planned Parenthood and appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn the Roe vs. Wade ruling that legalized abortion.
Which one is it ? Who the he77 knows ?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:34 pm
Romney got a slapdown from the mother of Glen Doherty, a former Navy SEAL who was killed last month in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya.
At several campaign stops, Romney had mentioned meeting Doherty before he was killed. But Barbara Doherty asked Romney to stop.
“I don’t trust Romney,” she told a Boston TV station. “He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda. It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”
A short time later, Romney agreed to stop talking about Doherty in his stump speech.
commoncents
October 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
Cheesy: “Yes he does. He can appoint SC judges to do just that. And Romney will have that chance. And he will do it.”
And Obama would appoint more liberal judges so he can freely mandate any decision he wants, and remove any sort of conservative dissent to his liberal/socialist policies.
*And pregnancy due to rape is a tragic event. But it is outnumbered by the women he choose to have sex, get pregnant and want to murder their unborn child because said infant would cramp their lifestyle.
commoncents
October 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
*** “he” should say “who”
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
Ryan fanned on so many hanging curves last night, I guess there were so many he couldn’t swing that many times.
When faced with the lunatic Biden screaming that Ryan cut aid to the Embassies by $300 million, he should have said, dang right Joe, they spent the money the Senate restored buying Chevy Volts for one of the Embassies in Europe. When the battery dies on the street, what are they to do, run for their life. Why did they need more money, when they wasted what we gave them.
When Biden tossed out the old 5T fable, Ryan tried to dispute it with facts, rather than saying that is not our plan, as Romney did. Biden was frothing at the mouth and twitching so, he couldn’t absorb what Ryan was saying, the easiest thing to say is you are lying, we never proposed a 5T tax cut.
Biden at one point said they put the 715 Billion back in Medicare to extend its life. He should have said, then where did you get the 715 Billion to pay for Obamacare?
When Biden tossed out the old where would folks be now if Soc Sec money had been put into private accounts invested in the market. He was really frothing and twitching over this one. The simple answer would be “they are doing great” as the market has pretty much recovered, so what is your point, Joe.
Ryan did not challenge his stupid account of why they kept blaming the Video in the Libya attack for two weeks. He didn’t ask Joe who told Susan Rice to lie, 5 days later.
Their was obviously just not enough time for Ryan to straighten out all the lies that crazy Joe foisted on the audience.
Biden has some serious self control issues and possibly some self esteem issues, and the thoughts of his finger on the button as President, is frightening.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
“He is just saying that now. When he gets in office that will get etch a sketched right out.”
Really? Cite, perhaps?
“Abortion will become illegal again under Romney. There can be no doubt.”
And what are this weekend’s lottery numbers, Cheesy? Since you can predict the future with such clarity and all . . .
Dusty
October 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
If you mix Gravy Train with Cheesy Grits, would you have a different dish?
No, because both use the same DNC material and it is all outdated. l.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
“A short time later, Romney agreed to stop talking about Doherty in his stump speech.”
Let’s see . . Romney agrees to stop doing something when asked, and Obama refuses to take down the Big Bird ad when asked.
And who’s more likely to get along with those who have a disagreement with them?
dagnabit
October 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
I’m interested if Romney comes out with his methedrine fueled rant in the second debate. How will Obama handle the drug crazed Romney this time.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
“During the primaries, Romney promised to end federal funding of Planned Parenthood”
True, but ending funding doesn’t end the right to an abortion.
“and appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn the Roe vs. Wade ruling that legalized abortion.”
Not true. Not one little bit.
Dusty
October 12th, 2012
1:53 pm
dagnabit,
Drug crazed Romney?
You win, Dag. You have posted the biggest lie of the day.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:54 pm
Not true. Not one little bit.
Actually it is. Keep drinking that Kool Aid
Cutter and Richards pointed out that Romney has recently said he would be “delighted” to sign a bill banning abortions, called Roe v. Wade one of the “darkest” moments in Supreme Court history, and even penned an op-ed in June 2011 pushing specific legislation on abortion.
Streetracer
October 12th, 2012
1:58 pm
…Cheezy.. whatever:
First @ 11:54 Do you really think that the government should be making decisions about peoples lives? If so, you need immediate help.
Second, there is no budget, so spending is whatever the Executive Branch wants. Related, how many Lybian security guards could have been on site for the cost of Jarrett’s 24/7 Secert Service detail?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:58 pm
And what are this weekend’s lottery numbers, Cheesy? Since you can predict the future with such clarity and all . . .
If you tell me what they are I can tell you them back.
Romney has made it quite clear he will end abortion rights.
He is just denying it now to try and win the election.
Pure and simple.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
Do you really think that the government should be making decisions about peoples lives?
No i dont.
But Romney feels he knows best when it comes to women’s reproductive choices.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
“Cutter and Richards pointed out . . . ”
That would be the Stephanie Cutter who has falsely accused Romney of felonies and of causing the death of a man’s wife? That Stephanie Cutter? The one who just the other day claimed that the polls hadn’t moved since the 1st Presidential debate? That Stephanie Cutter?
Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid, Cheesy . . . .
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
2:00 pm
Source: South Carolina 2012 GOP debate hosted by CNN’s John King , Jan 19, 2012
I had no litmus test for appointing judges, but I’m pro-life
GINGRICH: Governor Romney did appoint pro-abortion judges.
ROMNEY: I appointed probably 50 or 60 judges–at the trial court level, mostly, the great majority. These were former prosecutors; 80% of them former prosecutors. We don’t have a litmus test for appointing judges–asking them if they’re pro-life or not pro-life. These were people going after crimes and the like. I am pro-life. And the Massachusetts Citizens for Life and several other family-oriented groups wrote a letter two weeks ago and said they’d watched my record, that I was an avidly pro-life governor. I am a pro-life governor; I am a pro-life individual. Is there any possibility that I’ve ever made a mistake in that regard, I didn’t see something that I should have seen? Possibly. But you can count on me, as president, to pursue a policy that protects the life of unborn, whether here in this country or overseas. And I’ll reverse the policies of this president.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
2:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqD1fjSp4Sc
Here is a video of him saying just that.
That he would overturn Rowe v Wade with his SC nominees.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
2:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAuwuLse1Gg&feature=endscreen&NR=1
And another.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:03 pm
“Romney has made it quite clear he will end abortion rights.”
No, he hasn’t. His position is that abortion is a state issue, one in which I happen to agree from a Constitutional standpoint. He also personally agrees to limited exceptions, which effectively neuters your argument regarding “ending” abortion rights.
You are entitled to your own opinion, Cheesy, no matter how wrongly you have come up with it, but not your own facts.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
2:03 pm
“and appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn the Roe vs. Wade ruling that legalized abortion.”
Not true. Not one little bit.
Will you admit you were wrong ?
I highly doubt it.
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
2:07 pm
Two-step process: overturn Roe; then change hearts & minds
Q: Your aides say you see ending abortion as a two-step process: rolling back Roe v. Wade, which would leave it legal in some states; and then a constitutional amendment to ban it nationwide. If abortion is murder, how can you live with it being legal in some states?
A: I’d love to have an America that didn’t have abortion. But that’s not what the American people [want] right now. And so I’d like to see Roe v. Wade overturned and allow the states to put in place pro-life legislation. I recognize that for many people, that is considered an act of murder, to have an abortion. It is without question the taking of a human life. And I believe that a civilized society must respect the sanctity of the human life. But we have two lives involved here–a mom, an unborn child. We have to have concern for both lives & show the expression of our compassion & our consideration and work to change hearts & minds, and that’s the way in my view we’ll ultimately have a society without abortion.
Source: 2007 GOP debate at UNH, sponsored by Fox News , Sep 5, 2007
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
2:08 pm
Absolute good day for America when Roe v. Wade is repealed
Q: Would the day that Roe v. Wade is repealed be a good day for America?
ROMNEY: Absolutely.
BROWNBACK: It would be a glorious day of human liberty and freedom.
GILMORE: Yes, it was wrongly decided.
HUCKABEE: Most certainly.
HUNTER: Yes.
THOMPSON: Yes.
McCAIN: A repeal.
GIULIANI: It would be OK to repeal.
TANCREDO: After 40 million dead because we have aborted them in this country, that would be the greatest day in this country’s history when that, in fact, is overturned.
Source: 2007 GOP primary debate, at Reagan library, hosted by MSNBC , May 3, 2007
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
2:09 pm
You are entitled to your own opinion, Cheesy, no matter how wrongly you have come up with it, but not your own facts.
Jesus some people just cant see the forest for the tress.
You show them something with the man saying it and they will still deny it.
No help for people this lost.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:09 pm
Cheesy, your conclusion is wrong. I cannot help it if you don’t put everything into your post to make it clear.
I have clarified Romney’s position, and neutered yours.
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
2:11 pm
Said in 1994: “I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me who passed away from an illegal abortion. We will not force our beliefs on others. And you will not see me wavering on that.”
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
2:19 pm
Cheesy
Romney dropped the ad at the mother’s request. When does this mother get answers to her questions, rather than the “baloney” she describes getting from the Obama regime.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/11/mother-of-slain-official-demands-answers-from-obama-administration/
MarkV
October 12th, 2012
2:20 pm
Here is another Biden’s “whopper,” according to Kyle, which is not what he tries to make it by excising part of the statement.
“saying he voted against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, when in fact he voted to authorize both;”
And here are the actual Biden’s words:
“ It came from this man voting to put two wars in a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion- dollar tax cut for a — very wealthy. I was there. I voted against him.”
Biden voted against the prescription drug benefit law, Ryan for. How does Kyle know what Biden had in mind when he said “I voted against him?”
RW-(the original)
October 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
Cutter and Richards pointed out…
Forget Kyle’s example up top. That’s you real “Chuckle-like-a-Biden” moment.
Halftrack
October 12th, 2012
2:25 pm
What kind of America do we want? One that is guided by laughs, grimaces and antics such as Biden demonstrated? Biden does not know what is in the Obummercare bill because he has not read it even tho it has been passed. The USA is on a fiscal cliff with all the tax increases that are about to start up in January and the automatic cuts to spending. Our security and military are also at risk, not to mention our safety. Last night Biden said that Iran did not have a bomb yet for the fissile material. All they need is a Jacka$$ with a suitcase or backpack to come through our open borders and blow up some stadium, town, or airport. Do you really think Iran is far off in obtaining a bomb? It is as close as the next backpack or suitcase that you see.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
Duplicity from the Obama regime, Biden bragging that he voted against Medicare Part D bill at one point, and bragging about all the benefits seniors are now getting from Obamacare, one of which was that they added money to close the donut hole in Part D.
You can’t make this stuff up, the current regime is like children, they will take any side of any issue in order to try to get one over or besmirch Romney. Like Obama says, if you have a bad record, make the people run from the other guy.
Rasheida
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
Most Americans, I believe, except for those on the hard left and hard right couldn’t care less about abortion.
A bigger issue is our proclivity for going to war, then bogging down year after year while the bills and bodies pile up. Not a Dem fan here but Biden seriously outmaneuvered Ryan on the Afghan War issue. Ryan almost sounded like he thought we should stay there forever, maybe even start some new wars…long as they were in the ‘national interest’. Probably not the pitch you want to make to undecided voters.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:29 pm
Thanks for proving my point and neutering Cheesy’s, Not true.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
2:34 pm
Halftrack sounds like you don’t believe crazy uncle Joe that Iran doesn’t have a weapon to put it in. What the heck does this mean? Is he saying they do not have a delivery system? Nuclear waste in a coffee can is a weapon. Does he think N Korea can’t sell them some aluminum tubes? I was certainly confused by his illogical rant and not sure why Ryan didn’t call him out on it, other than there were just too many stupid things brought up by Biden to be addressed in two minutes.
Streetracer
October 12th, 2012
2:35 pm
Cheezy:
Go back to your 11:54 post. That is exactly what you said.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:38 pm
Bottom line, this debate did a few things:
It put an enormous amount of pressure on Obama to perform better than he did in the first debate. That being said, anything better than not looking as if he wishes he were anywhere else might just be enough for his fawning sycophants.
It stopped the hemorrhaging, but not the bleeding that the Obama campaign has been undergoing since the first debate. Anything worse than a grade-A performance by him, and the hemorrhaging renews.
Ryan can hold his own against a career pol on both foreign and economic issues.
Joe Biden is a classless jerk.
Pizzaman
October 12th, 2012
2:40 pm
I’ve already voted so none of this matters.
Vote Early, Vote Often. Ignore Republican voter ID, vote absentee!
Gravy Train
October 12th, 2012
2:40 pm
Kyle, what will matter tomorrow and on November 6th is that Boy Blunder got pantsed on national television. Nobody in their right mind would want a whiney, little lap dog in the Oval Office. He affirmed his support for vouchers, more war, and more tax breaks for his masters. He also failed on multiple occasions to provide a simple, clear cut answer as to how he is going to cut revenues while increasing spending without contributing to the national debt. Care to tackle that one Kyle? So far Willard and Lyin’ Ryan can only say “Trust us.”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:41 pm
Col. Ralph Peters on Fox News regarding the recent attempt by Baghdad Jay to spin Biden’s gaff last night on the Benghazi consulate attack last month:
“Jay Carney has all the integrity of a telemarketer, but without the charm”.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
“Duplicity from the Obama regime, Biden bragging that he voted against Medicare Part D bill at one point, and bragging about all the benefits seniors are now getting from Obamacare, one of which was that they added money to close the donut hole in Part D.”
Kinda puts Biden’s outrage about Ryan voting against the Stimulus, then writing letters on behalf of 2 little grants in a whole different light, doesn’t it Rafe?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
2:45 pm
Rasheida
Not a Dem fan here but Biden seriously outmaneuvered Ryan on the Afghan War issue.
Not sure about that, but Ryan did not do too well explaining himself on withdrawing the troops during fighting season. I guess he was interrupted or shouted down and didn’t get to finish. Biden was saying that it was better to get them out and let the Afghan forces fight the battles. Ryan was saying but we still have troops there. Biden would say, but not as many, which is good.
NO, it may be good for those coming home, but as Ryan pointed out we have less forces fighting the same number of Taliban. The dangers to those that are left are multiplied because they are undermanned. They can’t trust the Afghans and are left to fight, with depleted support. Either get them all out or leave troop strength up until winter, when the taliban withdraws. 500 fighting a thousand is better than leaving 200 fighting the same thousand.
Took too long to explain and Ryan was being interrupted incessantly by Biden and the moderator. I think some one said Biden interrupted 82 times, and the moderator 25 or so. Ryan had no chance to express any thought that took more than 45 seconds.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
2:47 pm
Cheesy, arguing with Tiberius is like arguing with a 2 year old. Just fughetaboutit.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:48 pm
“Ryan almost sounded like he thought we should stay there forever, maybe even start some new wars…long as they were in the ‘national interest’.”
And just what debate were you watching last night, Rasheida?
Since you missed it, Ryan stated at least twice that he and Romney agreed with the 2014 timetable. Pay better attention next time.
And since he as asked specifically by the moderator when boots on the ground would be necessary, he answered it. Would you have preferred he didn’t answer it at all, or said that they’d never put American boots on the ground no matter what the issue? And his threshold was “directly affect our national security”, not “interest”.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
2:50 pm
Ryan had no chance to express any thought that took more than 45 seconds.
But it usually took Ryan 2 or more minutes to enunciate those 45 seconds of thought?
Zombie boy from Wisconsin.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
2:53 pm
Funny that the math whiz Ryan can’t enlighten us on how his numbers will work out.
~ You people need to trust us?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
2:53 pm
“He also failed on multiple occasions to provide a simple, clear cut answer as to how he is going to cut revenues while increasing spending without contributing to the national debt.”
Who writes this stuff for you, Gravy?
They are not proposing to cut revenues, but rather tax rates. At the same time, they are going to offset those reduced rates with less deductions and loopholes, thereby maintaining current revenue levels. In fact, they expect increased revenues due to a better economy through their 5-point plan. And they are NOT proposing to increase overall spending, but cut it.
Your entire premise is completely and totally false.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
2:53 pm
Tiberius, yes, more malarky from Biden on the Stimulus fund request. I have said before, it is like a frat party where some drunk decides to open the tap on the keg and leave it on. You move to turn it off and he objects and is much bigger than you. You have a choice, whip his butt and turn it off ,or just put your mug underneath and get some before it hits the ground.
Ryan was just filling his cup before it all was wasted.
Gravy Train
October 12th, 2012
2:58 pm
Right, Tibi. They are going to make up the difference by eliminating the only breaks middle class people get. So thank you for illustrating the point that Boy Blunder and Willard want to cut plutocrat’s taxes while raising taxes on the middle class. Which deductions? You guys are all smoke and mirrors.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:58 pm
Finn – Earlier this morning you said you would like a Biden/Warren ticket in 2016? Wouldn’t a Biden/Pelosi be better for your party. One laughs all the time and the other forces a smile when she speaks!
Gravy Train
October 12th, 2012
2:59 pm
Rafe. Thank you for confirming your idiocy here for us today.
Gravy Train
October 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
Well one thing is for certain. If Lyin’ Ryan and Bachmann and Palin are the future of the GOP, you guys better get used to losing. LOL
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
“They are going to make up the difference by eliminating the only breaks middle class people get.”
Really, Gravy? Name the ones they have specified to be eliminated.
I’m waiting.
Streetracer
October 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
Rafe:
That is a great anaolgy, but I’m the kind of guy who doesn’t like to waste anything, especially beer, so I would probably turn it off.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
3:04 pm
Tom, no, Nancy is a worker bee so she belongs in the House. Warren has bigger ideas than Nancy Pants.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
3:06 pm
Name the ones they have specified to be eliminated. I’m waiting.
As are the rest of us Americans.
But they can’t tell us cause they don’t have the guts to speak the truth. It’s gonna be tax breaks for the wealthy and austerity for the rest of us.
Tighten your belts, America, the fat cats gotta eat!
Gravy Train
October 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
What an astute answer for such a big brain, Tibi. Fire up the smoke machine!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
Gravy
You can’t get a response from a poster on your incessant “magic underwear” soliloquy. No one paying any attention to you, poor fellow! So, you have resorted to personal attacks? Why don’t you go back to looking over that Book of Mormon, and post some more inane observations that you come across, you bigot.
Gravy Train
October 12th, 2012
3:12 pm
People notice that a cult priest is running for president. Just because you want to ignore it, doesn’t mean the rest of us will. You’ll see in November. As for you, go read a book, any one at all. Moron.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
3:14 pm
“But they can’t tell us cause they don’t have the guts to speak the truth. It’s gonna be tax breaks for the wealthy and austerity for the rest of us.”
Really, Finn? And what are the lottery numbers for this weekend, since you know everything with such certainty?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
3:15 pm
“What an astute answer for such a big brain”
So I guess this is your version of, “I’ve got nothing”.
Got it, Gravy.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
Gravy
I am currently reading one about the Popular Front’s activities in Spain during the Spanish revolution, just prior to WWII. You and Cheesy should both Google the Popular Front movement, you both would make excellent recruits.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
3:34 pm
Why don’t you go back to looking over that Book of Mormon, and post some more inane observations that you come across, you bigot.
Here is one.
The Book of Mormon tells of the resurrected Jesus Christ and His visit to His faithful followers in ancient America. After His visits to His disciples in the Old World, He descended out of heaven and appeared to His followers in ancient America.
The Book of Mormon describes how, during His visit, Jesus Christ healed their sick, taught them His gospel, blessed their children, and called twelve disciples to organize His Church in the Americas (3 Nephi 11:18; 3 Nephi 12:1-2).
Who would have thought Jesus hung out with the Indians.
Amazing.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
October 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
But they can’t tell us cause they don’t have the guts to speak the truth. It’s gonna be tax breaks for the wealthy and austerity for the rest of us
Yup. All with a big smile.
Its back to trickle down economics.
If nothing actually trickles. Hey its not their fault. Eat some cake.
Besides Romney needs that car elevator. How else is he supposed to get all his cars out of the big garage?
The sad part is these idiots here actually think Romney cares about them.
That guy in the 47 percent speech he gave to the ultra wealthy must have been an alien.
jeffrey
October 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
Wow if this costs Ryan his seat in the house even an ayn rander would feel sorry for him I like Joe biden he reminds me of my nice uncles.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
“The sad part is these idiots here actually think Romney cares about them.”
I don’t want my President caring about me, and I certainly don’t want him caring for me, as this one tries to do.
I want him caring about respecting the Constitution and caring about the economy and our national security.
That’s it; that’s all.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
4:01 pm
“I like Joe biden he reminds me of my nice uncles.”
Insanity runs in your family, jeffrey?
Scott Fresno
October 12th, 2012
4:03 pm
I can’t blame Biden, I was laughing at Ryan, too.
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
4:05 pm
Tiberius
Is there a need for insults? On one hand, you seem to want to just discuss just the facts. On the other, you are the biggest baby on here.
Keep it real and keep it classy. Let the others be the buffoons.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
Not True, if you don’t like what I post, don’t read it.
Your opinion of my remarks means nothing to me. Got it?
Del
October 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
Funny that old Joe the buffoon brags about offing OBL when he advised against the raid.
MarkV
October 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
There is no mystery about why Ryan refuses to specify the loopholes and deductions, that would be cut by Romney/Ryan to make their tax plan revenue neutral – because it would be a political suicide. This way he can deceive people into believing that it is possible to achieve that neutrality without cutting deductions the middle class people use and thus increase their taxes. One chance Biden missed was to point out more clearly the dishonesty of the Romney/Ryan argument that independent studies have shown their tax plan feasible. No study can show now such result without making assumptions about the loopholes/deductions affected, and Ryan wants those cuts to be determined only later by Congress. It is both outrageous and hilarious for him to say that the revenue-neutrality of their proposal is “mathematically possible.”
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
Tiberius
You comment when you wish to comment and I will do the same.
“Got it?”
Your bully and baby games will not work here. It might impress others, but not me. GOT IT?
MarkV
October 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
One of the more dishonest of Ryan’s statements – although there is a substantial competition- were his attacks on the lack of security in the consulate in Libya, when he voted in 2009 for an amendment to reduce funding for Diplomatic and Consular Programs.
JDW
October 12th, 2012
4:34 pm
@Tiberius…”And what are the lottery numbers for this weekend, since you know everything with such certainty?”
Thing is it’s just not that hard…If you are giving in tax cuts more than you would get if cut 100% of deductions/tax expenditiures it’s real simple math.
“Romney’s plan couldn’t work because his tax rate cuts would provide $86 billion more in tax relief to people making over $200,000 than Romney could recoup by eliminating tax expenditures for that group.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-12/the-final-word-on-mitt-romney-s-tax-plan.html
Fact is Romney is
A) Lying
B) Telling stories
C) Can’t add
D) Blowing smoke
Take your pick
JDW
October 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
@Tiberius….”They are not proposing to cut revenues, but rather tax rates. ”
O’Dear drinking already I see…OK Math 101 just for you….
If have an effective tax rate of 16% that raises $2.5 Trillion in revenue and you cut that rate by 20% it REDUCES revenue by $500 billion a year.
It’s just math
Road Scholar
October 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
“What matters today and tomorrow from yesterday’s debate?”
Tech and UGA won’t lose a football game! And the Braves won’t lose either!
100 more days
October 12th, 2012
5:15 pm
There seems to be a lot of DemocRATs here today touting Joe the Clown. If his actions are anything
like him, or the DemcRatic party.
Did anyone notice how his antics follow the same stupid actions by those that sit at the feet of their comrade Jay?
If you want a potential POTUS that acts like a little kid at the dinner table, then I am glad I am not a DEMOCRAT
GO ROMNEY/RYAN, beat the Socialist participants, so we can get our country back in the right direction
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
5:16 pm
Barry won an election on “hope and change”, how specific is that? What is Barry’s plan for the next four years? Still waiting after two debates, no answer other than raise taxes on millionaires and billionaires.
Obama is over
October 12th, 2012
5:18 pm
Biden failed to present any ideas on what an Obama/Biden second term would do about entitlement reform, tax reform, and job creation other than raise taxes. The Obama campaign is centered around catch phrases and personal attacks because they have been in office too long to continue to blame Bush, can’t defend their mediocre record, and have no plans for the future. Obama can become “more agressive” in the next debate by interupting Romney with snarky comments, but Americans want answers to the problems facing the country right now, not MSNBC style grand standing. One of Churchill’s fundamental political tenets was to not waste time disparaging your enemies. The Obama campaign’s emphasis on branding Romney a liar is not only an example of how morally bankrupt these people are, it is proof that they are completely devoid of any new ideas on how to solve the problems of the country.
Dusty
October 12th, 2012
5:26 pm
Well, if you want to know who won the debate just look at this blog. Liberals here are pouring their extra strength propaganda flame throwers all over the place. Biden was king of clown in the debate and liberals here are trying to make him king of the hill.
Won’t work.
Americans know the difference between sincerity and show business and Biden put on a show. I’m sorry he did. I once thought of him as a genial, pleasant and sincere man. But not any more. He has been thoroughly liberalized and obviously convinced that such tactics are necessary. He replaced class with crass.
It isn’t a pretty sight to see.
.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
The Carney Barker today said that what Biden meant when he said that “we had no request for more security”, is that the White House did not know the State Dept had turned down the repeated requests for more security. So in other words, we are not responsible for the State Dept decisions.
However, we killed Osama. Get the irony. They claim they did all the hard work of their employees if it turns out good, and if not, well that is not our purview. Children one and all, in Obamatown.
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
5:35 pm
Dusty
Romney closing, but except for Rasmussen, you might want to check the Electoral College projections.
Rasmussen could be right, but outside of him, it is Obama either close or with a decent margin.
But hang in there.
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
5:40 pm
Frank Luntz who is a regular on Fox News was on Bill Maher last week.
Said even with Romney’s dominating performance in the 1st debate, Obama is still going to win.
Streetracer
October 12th, 2012
5:46 pm
Mark V:
Vote to cut security? Why does Jarrett have 24/7 Secret Severce protection when a consulate is protected by local contractors armed with walkie-talkies? Seems to me that is a misuse of government money.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
JDW, if you can’t argue a point without telling the whole story, don’t argue it it all.
it just points out your lack of intelligence, or honesty, or both.
MarkV
October 12th, 2012
5:59 pm
Dusty @5:26 pm
“Americans know the difference between sincerity and show business and Biden put on a show. “
Dusty,
With all due respect, is the above the depth of your evaluation of the debate? Did Biden and Ryan just performed a show, and not debated some important election issues? Have you nothing to say about those?
Streetracer
October 12th, 2012
6:00 pm
Rafe @ 5:30
That is right. They sound like a drunk in a small town beer joint; willing to fight anyone that hasn’t shown up yet
Not true. Not one little bit. WRONG
October 12th, 2012
6:03 pm
MarkV
Dusty seems to have put on her own show. No, she doesn’t have anything of substance to say.
Michael H. Smith
October 12th, 2012
7:02 pm
Can we get a conservative partisan hack as a moderator of the next debate?
Okay, let’s move on Martha!
Michael H. Smith
October 12th, 2012
7:09 pm
Dusty @5:26 pm
“Americans know the difference between sincerity and show business and Biden put on a show. “
Spot on Dusty and the rest of us on this blog know who should first elevate their intelligence and discourse before attempting to debate.
JDW
October 12th, 2012
10:58 pm
@Tiberius…”the whole story”
You mean the part about how one pays for reducing tax revenues by $500 billion a year I suppose…
BTW you are right…not telling that story shows a lack of intelligence and honesty.
Since you are a “bud” of Mittens how about you clue him in.
JKL2
October 13th, 2012
9:04 am
cheesy- Under Bush – 7 different attacks took place where people died.
How many of those did he try to cover up?
obama is a liar (no wonder you love him so much)