An early message to the Class of 2013

Kyle, I agree with your views here. Great job. I guess you’re not going to attempt to break down Willard’s economic policy? I keep waiting for the details of how he is going to cut revenues and increase spending without increasing the debt or raising taxes on the middle class. Ryan was asked repeatedly last night to give us the details and he just couldn’t do it. Willard is even more evasive on the issue. I’ll hang up and listen.

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Plus, I’m saving lots of money not paying someone else to do things I can do myself.

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Rafe, your son would be better suited going back to school and getting a Communications degree. If his grades are good he can get Hope. The Communications degree is not much different than what he has, so he probably will only have a year of classes. Companies are hiring people to handle public relations and social media networking.

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Kyle, good article. I, too, received an excellent education. I paid for it years ago. No loans or family help I also have two masters degrees. But, today I would not choose history as a major. I loved it and made a good living, but even most college professors struggle to make a living as very few are hired full time. Liberal arts are useful, though you must be prepared to be poor. I also learned with my children, if you do well more money is available after you prove yourself. Also college students today live much better than I did. Dorms, meal plans, can all be a good learning experience. You do not have to have an apartment.

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No problem. Just borrow the money from your parents! (by courtesy of Mitt Romney)

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Vice President Joe Biden stood up in front of the world, called the gop full of crap and laughed at them.

I am going to follow his leadership.

Show me something gop to prove you want to help the middle class or shut up about that lie.

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Ah don’t worry with all this advise. Join the “MOOCHER CLASS” and laugh your silly assets off like Joe Biden all the way to welfare office. Obama will take care of you, why do you need to do anything hard, like WORK and PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAX !?

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Wynn On Obama: “I’ll Be Damned If I Want To Have Him Lecture Me”

On the Tuesday broadcast of the nightly Nevada political program “Ralston Reports,” Steve Wynn, CEO of Wynn Resorts sat down with host Jon Ralston to discuss the presidential election.

Wynn, an outspoken critic of President Obama, didn’t hold back in his latest criticism of the incumbent president seeking a second term.

“I’ll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I’m a job creator. Guys like me are job creators and we don’t like having a bulls-eye painted on our back,” Wynn said about Obama to Ralston. An excerpt of the interview is below.

WYNN: I’ve created about 250,000 direct and indirect jobs according to the state of Nevada’s measurement. If the number is 250,000, that’s exactly 250,000 more than this president, who I’ll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I’m a job creator. Guys like me are job creators and we don’t like having a bulls-eye painted on our back.

The president is trying to put himself between me and my employees. By class warfare, by deprecating and calling a group that makes money ‘billionaires and millionaires who don’t pay their share.’ I gave 120% of my salary and bonus away last year to charities, as I do most years. I can’t stand the idea of being demagogued, that is put down by a president who has never created any jobs and who doesn’t even understand how the economy works.

Wynn on a scrapped business plan: “I’m afraid of the president. I have no idea what goofy idea, what crazy, anti-business program this administration will come up. I have no idea. And I have to tell you Jon that every business guy I know in the country is frightened of Barack Obama and the way he thinks.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/09/steve_wynn_on_obama_ill_be_damned_if_ill_have_him_lecture_me.html

Good luck Class of 2013 you and the rest of us will need all of it you can get when the some of best and most successful business minds in this country are too scared to invest and create jobs because of Obama and the Democrats. By the way, Steve Wynn is a Democrat and former Obama supporter.

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Li’l Aynie: Just borrow the money from your parents!
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Uh, isn’t that what families are for, to help each other? Responsible parents plan and save for their childrens’ education.

Of course, libtards think those who feel responsible for paying their own way are chumps.

Which explains Obozo’s unprecedented, un-American legacy of debt.

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If you haven’t seen it……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NwEFVUb-u0

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Everything Mikey H. Smith just posted is a complete piece of wingnut propaganda. They can’t win with ideas, so they resort to fear and lies. You need to be aware of people like Mikey here. They are always trying to trick you into voting against yourself. The whole higher public education support system we have was built and is protected by Democrats. You took US History classes, so you already know that. Despite these so called “patriots” poor mouthing America, this is still the greatest country in the world and you will be just fine without them. Getting ahead requires two things, skills and determination. Never let them make you believe that you have to be a sheep or a ditto-head to make it.

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If you get in a bind, you can promise to vote for Willard and get a job with this guy. If you don’t value your soul.

The man above is David Siegel, owner of Westgate Resorts, allegedly the largest time-share company in the world, with his wife Jackie. After a financial setback during the recession, Siegel now brags that “we’re the most profitable we’ve ever been.” He and Jackie have resumed construction on a 90,000-square-foot home, called Versailles, that they are building in Florida. If and when it is completed, it will be the largest private home in the country.

According to the Wall Street Journal, when completed Versailles will boast “13 bedrooms, 23 full bathrooms, a 6,000-square-foot master suite (with plans in place for a bed on a rotating platform), a banquet kitchen plus 10 satellite kitchens, a 20-car garage, three pools, a two-story wine cellar and a grand hall with a 30-foot stained glass dome.”

With that background established, this is the email that Siegel sent to his employees yesterday:

Subject: Message from David Siegel
Date:Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: [David Siegel]
To: [All employees]

To All My Valued Employees,

As most of you know our company, Westgate Resorts, has continued to succeed in spite of a very dismal economy. There is no question that the economy has changed for the worse and we have not seen any improvement over the past four years. In spite of all of the challenges we have faced, the good news is this: The economy doesn’t currently pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can’t tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn’t interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.

However, let me share a few facts that might help you decide what is in your best interest. The current administration and members of the press have perpetuated an environment that casts employers against employees. They want you to believe that we live in a class system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They label us the “1%” and imply that we are somehow immune to the challenges that face our country. This could not be further from the truth. Sure, you may have heard about the big home that I’m building. I’m sure many people think that I live a privileged life. However, what you don’t see or hear is the true story behind any success that I have achieved.

I started this company over 42 years ago. At that time, I lived in a very modest home. I converted my garage into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you. We didn’t eat in fancy restaurants or take expensive vacations because every dollar I made went back into this company. I drove an old used car, and often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business — hard work, discipline, and sacrifice. Meanwhile, many of my friends got regular jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a nice income, and they spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into this business —-with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford to buy whatever I wanted. Even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company. Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed.

Just think about this – most of you arrive at work in the morning and leave that afternoon and the rest of your time is yours to do as you please. But not me- there is no “off” button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I’m the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. Unfortunately, what most people see is the nice house and the lavish lifestyle. What the press certainly does not want you to see, is the true story of the hard work and sacrifices I’ve made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and people like me who made all the right decisions and invested in themselves are being forced to bail out all the people who didn’t. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed 42 years of my life for. Yes, business ownership has its benefits, but the price I’ve paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the costs of running a business have gotten out of control, and let me tell you why: We are being taxed to death and the government thinks we don’t pay enough. We pay state taxes, federal taxes, property taxes, sales and use taxes, payroll taxes, workers compensation taxes and unemployment taxes. I even have to hire an entire department to manage all these taxes. The question I have is this: Who is really stimulating the economy? Is it the Government that wants to take money from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not, or is it people like me who built a company out of his garage and directly employs over 7000 people and hosts over 3 million people per year with a great vacation?

Obviously, our present government believes that taking my money is the right economic stimulus for this country. The fact is, if I deducted 50% of your paycheck you’d quit and you wouldn’t work here. I mean, why should you? Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, that’s what happens to me.

Here is what most people don’t understand and the press and our Government has chosen to ignore – to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Instead of raising my taxes and depositing that money into the Washington black-hole, let me spend it on growing the company, hire more employees, and generate substantial economic growth. My employees will enjoy the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But that is not what our current Government wants you to believe. They want you to believe that it somehow makes sense to take more from those who create wealth and give it to those who do not, and somehow our economy will improve. They don’t want you to know that the “1%”, as they like to label us, pay more than 31% of all the taxes in this country. Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, “democracy” will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate business, not kill it. However, the power brokers in Washington believe redistributing wealth is the essential driver of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change they want.

So where am I going with all this? It’s quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone.

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn’t? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the “1 percenters” are bad, I’m telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won’t be at the hands of the “1%”; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, your boss,

David Siegel

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Kyle

Hope you enjoyed the wedding. Sorry it sucks so bad to have to come back and try to rationalize your party’s positions.

Forty years ago I made the decision to be a blue collar worker all my life so I wouldn’t have to be in that kind of position. Most folks would say I was foolish. I’m not SURE I disagree with them, but I’m feeling pretty good at 63 about my life choices.

When you know you’re getting close to the end, that becomes more and more important.

So, welcome back. How was it?

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“I’ll hang up and listen”

Why don’t you hang up, step outside and search for a very busy highway. When you find it, go out and play in traffic ON FOOT. See just how close approaching traffic can get to you before you jump out of the way. I hope you move VERY slowly.

“We should all fall to our knees and thank David Siegel”

Yes you should . . . for telling the truth. You’re just too brain-dead to understand it. In short, Gravy, you’re a loser. You’ve probably always been a loser and you certainly show no signs of improving. I’ll bet you’d be a riot at a party IF you could find anyone who would want you around. Your life is pretty lonely, isn’t it Gravy?

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Why the interest in someone else’s home? Did you already finish your People magazine?

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Gravy Train,

Anybody (like you) that posts something that long ought to fall to their knees.

Envy of the rich is an ugly thing!

By the way,Kyle’s message is right on. My children knew it some time back. The five of them have seven degrees altogether.. The last one finished her studies about four years ago and not one of them owes a cent for education. They made good plans and good choices.

Of course I’m bragging. I love ‘em to pieces and proud of them too. Loving your children is the best thing you can give them ( besides education, of course)…

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Another thing, Hillbilly. I’ve read your opinion on charter schools. We have an open campus high school (charter) here in Clayton County. A lot of their focus is on vocational training. It seems to be thriving.

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Back in my day, that was regular schools. (IWH)

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Hillbilly:

“Many times I’ve heard people referred to as “an educated fool”. Seems like there’s no shortage of those, these days.”

I raised two children. Both of them are very intelligent. One attended a very expensive college here in Georgia, and then did her post-graduate work at Princeton. The other had no interest in college and elected to attend a vocational school. After finishing his vocational training, he continued to study and learn in his field of interest. The college graduate does better financially, but my vocation trained child is happier by far. The oddest thing to me is that I would have wagered that the child who elected vocational training would have been the college graduate if only one was to achieve that end.

College is not for everyone, regardless of ability. What interests the child and earns his/her affection should always be the prime consideration.

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I was hoping that your husband was the Clayton County man that won the lottery. You did not mention it. Well, what’s a lil’ ‘ol’ million $$$ after all…

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For my sweetie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj3vayL4buo

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Gray Train:

What is your point? Mr. Siegel is obligated to no one. No one is forcing people to work for him. He makes very good points. I have recently tried to start a business with tow former co-workers. Government regulation has crushed all margin out of it. We gave up. If that’s what you want, it is here.

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I can hear you when you dream……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhkXFpyV6c

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Snark…

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB8G7TUod1U

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Gluten free water??? There really is one born every minute.

http://health.yahoo.net/articles/nutrition/photos/10-sketchy-enhanced-watersmdashexposed#6

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Great Job Kyle- get them liberal college moochers to lower their expectations and quit borrowing money when they should be out working. If they can’t get a good job it is all the Chinese fault with that unfair labor stuff

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Here is the kind of nonsense that gets published about our boy Mitt and his eight billion dollars invested in Bain Funds where he is just trying to make an honest buck :
“”"”"”"”"”"”"Mr. Romney also has millions invested in a series of Bain funds that have a controlling stake in Sensata Technologies, a manufacturer of sensors and controls for vehicles, aircraft and electric motors that employs 4,000 workers in China. Since Bain took over the operation in 2006, its investment has quadrupled in value. Bain continues to own $2.6 billion worth of Sensata’s shares.

Two years ago, Sensata bought an operation that made automobile sensors in Freeport, Ill. At the first meeting with the plant’s 170 workers, Sensata managers announced that by the end of 2012 all the equipment and jobs would be relocated, mostly to Jiangsu Province. Workers have staged demonstrations, pleading for Mr. Romney to intervene on their behalf.

Chinese engineers, flown to Freeport for training on the equipment, described their salaries as a pittance compared with Freeport wages. Tom Gaulrapp, who has operated machines at the factory for 33 years, said he fears he will go bankrupt after he loses his job on Nov. 5.

“This goes to show the unbelievable hypocrisy of this man,” he said of Mr. Romney. “He talks about how we need to get tough on China and stop China from taking our jobs, and then he is making money off shipping our jobs there.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
Can you imagine the nerve of these people they are just victims!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/as-romney-repeats-trade-message-bain-maintains-china-ties.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Just remember if you pass gas always blame it on the other guy.

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Tiberius – you mean this blind trust???????????
“”"”"”"”"tNever mind that Mitt Romney has an estimated net worth as high as $250 million, or that some of it has been invested in offshore accounts of a sort never held by any previous presidential contender. He assures us that his assets are held in a “blind trust” over which he exerts no control.

But just how blind are such trusts, anyway? In Romney’s case, apparently not quite blinkered enough to keep his trustee—who is also his personal lawyer and longtime friend Bradford Malt—from investing more than $10 million of Romney’s money in an investment fund managed by Romney’s son Tagg.

In 1994, when he was running for the Senate against Ted Kennedy, Romney attacked Kennedy for disclaiming any responsibility for his investments, declaring at one point: “The blind trust is an age-old ruse.” He takes a different tack today, but even his own spokeswoman, Andrea Saul, has acknowledged that if he’s elected, he’ll move his wealth into a new, stricter blind trust, governed by federal rules.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/purdum/2012/07/mitt-romney-age-old-ruse-blind-trust
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Kyle,

Your well-written article make no mention of the parents of the Class of 2013. In general, what of their responsibility to assist their children in making good educational choices. Of course these young adults are free to make those decisions but mom and dad still have a tremendous influence in their lives. Education changes lives and I always encourage others to get as much as they can stand AND afford. Going into such crushing debt is more than unwise, it is foolish.

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Hey Tiberius, Bradford Malt has a bridge that he would like to sell you from Romney’s blind trust. He can’t meet right now though he is having dinner with Mitt picking up investment ideas.

As you should well know, a blind trust is only as blind as the relationship between the Trustee and and Beneficiary. When they are life long friends that interact on a regular basis thats really investment management.

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And what are this weekend’s lottery numbers, JDW?

I mean, since you know so much about someone you’ve never met and all . . .

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Just Saying, it is not the money, it is how the money is spent. Biden was whining about cuts for Embassy security even after the State Dept Security chief testified that money played no part in lack of Security in Libya. The State Dept spent much of their Embassy Security Money “going green” aka, supporting GM by mandating purchases of Chevy Volts for Embassy Personnel.

Education is the same, it seems to do poorly no matter how much money we give them. Math and Science is where the emphasis needs to be and where our schools are doing the worse. Giving them more money, that they will choose to spend for better facilities, higher salaries and benefits for the administrators, band uniforms, and new stadiums, doesn’t help Math and Science education.

Dems always choose to throw money at a problem, rather than make hard choices needed to achieve success. Maybe we need to do some politically incorrect things, like segregate by ability, in order to improve the math and science skills of those able to absorb the knowledge. Dems will vote no on that and continue to spend money that accomplishes little.

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“When Obama proposes taxing that overseas profit”

Yeah, ’cause it’s so great to control activities not within our own borders.

As if we don’t screw up enough companies here with our rules and taxation.

“But oh yeah just past a trillion dollar in tax cuts for the rich, cut corporate tax rates and the rich will create instantly twelve million jobs.

Given that that isn’t the platform of Romney/Ryan, there is only one word for that analysis ———MALARKEY!

You’re neither independent, nor a thinker.

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As a country, we should continue to cut education funding. We can find all the scientists we need in India…
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To that end…we should cut taxes even lower, especially on millionares….especially during this time of record deficits….Then, when China forecloses….we will all have socialized health care….plus, the government will be all up in our women’s vaginas…and that’s what we’re after here, right…!?!?!?

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“Education is the same, it seems to do poorly no matter how much money we give them.”
“Math and Science is where the emphasis needs to be and where our schools are doing the worse.”

Agree.
Agree absolutely.

Have close to 10 teachers in the family, and from their accounts, there’s a cultural issue here. And taking politically incorrect a step further, I mean American culture, Honey Boo Boo on high…

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Dear Thinker @ 9:38, the Obama program you cite is the worst idea since – and for the same reasons as – the Smoot-Hawley tariff of 1930, which led directly to the breakdown of international trade and fostered a depression. We know Obama is clueless on economics, but we thought better of you.

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@Tiberius…”since you know so much about someone you’ve never met and all”

Open your eyes and smell the coffee. While you are at it go read up on blind trusts because you are sorely lacking.

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AmVet: Proving every day he knows nothing about economics or job creation. A singularly stunning ignorance rarely achieved by even the most uninformed liberals on this blog.

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When you have to call obvious sarcasm a lie, you really don’t have a functioning brain.

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“When your bar is set this low, you get kicked off of Jay’s blog.”

That blog is primarily for whiners and losers . . .

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Sunspot Tibby, go change your diapers and start taking responsibility for your enraged, brattish self, OK?

The day you stop making excuses will be the day you finally start making some headway in life.

And at least change your idiotic, cartoon name to Liar – never pulling the tail of the right.

Or don’t.

Watching you slobber endlessly on this blog is damn funny!

My advice to the unfortunate children of people like sunspot tibby is that you’re correct – they are hopelessly full of 1950s crap and you are wise to not listen to them.

Black people are stupid to not understand that neocons are their best friends.

Most Americans are lazy and don’t want good jobs.

American Jews are pinko leftist anti-Semites.

A devastated ed middle class is good for American capitalism.

The world’s most brilliant scientists are liberal tools who are trying to destroy the world.

Don’t worry, Donald Trump and Mitt Romney are going to take care of you.

Uncle Sam can do nothing right, is your enemy and needs to be drowned in a bathtub.

EVERYBODY is out to get us Republicans.

The list is endless…

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You can tell when the Dems are losing and they know they are losing but are still in denial. They get mean, nasty and personal. Just read the blogs over the last week for evidence.

Obama is going down and you will be saying President Romney after the election.

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@tc…”Obama is going down and you will be saying President Romney after the election.”

Possible but a more likely scenario is that Mittens goes on a nice long extended vacation to visit his money in the Caymans and we can get back to digging our way out of the hole left by the prior Republican Administration.

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Everyone keeps giving advice but what high school seniors are actually reading this? I doubt very many if any are. It’s just adults telling their advice to each other and then bringing politics into it which leads to text arguments. Geez people.

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Thanks Kyle, that was hilarious. Love the end…she’s “owed answers”.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. That’s too rich. It’s 99% not her fault. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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@ JDW – oh dear, you left this out of the article you linked – quotes from the guys Obama heralded during his debate fiasco:

“The JCT analysis assumes the Bush-era tax cuts expire for everyone at the end of the year. Romney’s tax plan works off of the understanding that those breaks will remain in place.

Then the one sided experimental study has this: “Repealing itemized deductions generates almost $2.5 trillion over a decade. But a huge chunk of that — almost $986 billion — would be lost immediately to a repeal of the alternative minimum tax. Another $378 billion would be lost to the elimination of limits on itemized deductions for high earners. Taxing capital gains and dividends as traditional wages is another big revenue loser — to the tune of $850 billion — in part because of behavioral changes that would result for higher levies on investment.

A spokesperson for House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) criticized the report for assuming that taxes would rise on investments so much that money is actually lost: ‘Not only did they leave out base broadeners, they include policies that lost revenue,’ the spokesperson said. Like most static tax analyses there is no change in behavior for those who get the reduction in tax rates – like now willing to work more (productivity) to keep more.

“The authors of two leading approaches to deficit reduction — Alan Simpson, Erskine Bowles, Pete Domenici and Alice Rivlin — criticized the JCT’s report.

‘There is a growing bipartisan consensus for an approach that broadens the base, lowers rates and raises revenue as part of a comprehensive fiscal plan,” they said in a joint statement. “The JCT study looks at only a subset of the tax expenditures we reformed or eliminated, thereby leaving out a substantial amount of savings that were included in our proposals. Most notably, the JCT study does not address the employer health exclusion, the largest tax expenditure in the code, as our plans would.’ “

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cc @12:57 pm

You obviously lack the aptitude to distinguish between a truth and a lie. Kyle wrote that the young woman had written that she was indebted” because she made bad decisions about her education.” She had not written that, it was not true, it was a lie. As a matter of fact, she did not even write anywhere that she believed her education decision was “bad.” She admitted a mistake of “negligence and lack of awareness, over-borrowing,” but not a mistake of getting the education she got.

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“Unfortunately, most college students don’t have high math and science apptitude and liberal arts leanings are found in the majority.”

First of all, math and the natural sciences are, in fact, liberal arts majors. Secondly, according to Georgetown’s Center on Education and the Workforce, only 9.7 percent of students major in the liberals arts. Business management, accounting, and nursing are the three most popular majors.

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people who go to college must learn that going to college doesn’t mean squat. going to college and getting an education in a field that is hiring and will hire means something. many years ago i went to college and got a professional degree and worked for 34 years in order to get a retirement. i earned little early on but was able to work part time work at my profession until i saved enough to invest in a business and i purchased a 1/3 interest in that business—-later i purchased both of the other partner’s shares —i continued to work my regular job (40 hrs per week plus on call hours) and i also continued to work part time work—-i managed and did purchasing for my business—- now will someone explain to me why i should pay more taxes and my employees and the people who don’t want to work should pay less?? i don’t understand that logic. if you work 9 to 5 —–five days per week and take home no responsibility and none of your company’s headaches/heartaches then you will not become wealthy—- and you should not. but if you do all of that and work and extra job and invest then you should be allowed to succeed—- people earning a living and making wealth in this fashion should not be punished…..

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@Centrist…indeed I read the article and they go to great pains to make this point…

“it’s a reminder of how tough it would be for Romney to stay true to his plan of slashing marginal rates by 20 percent while preventing a tax increase on investments and ensuring that the U.S. economy generates the same amount of revenue as it does today”

See that is the point Romney is selling smoke and mirrors. BECAUSE of this…

““Repealing itemized deductions generates almost $2.5 trillion over a decade. But a huge chunk of that — almost $986 billion — would be lost immediately to a repeal of the alternative minimum tax. Another $378 billion would be lost to the elimination of limits on itemized deductions for high earners.”

It is impossible to cut taxes by $5 trillion and make it up on reducing deductions…Romney’s plan is snake oil.

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O’ and Centrist…this is the one Romney doesn’t want touch…

“Most notably, the JCT study does not address the employer health exclusion, the largest tax expenditure in the code, as our plans would”

Because this one takes money right out of Middle Class pockets and puts it in the pockets of the wealthy…now mind you I am not saying it is an idea that should not be considered.

I am saying it is mathematically impossible to cut rates by 20% and make it up in limiting deductions while not impinging on the Middle Class

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@ carlosgvv

Math, physics, chemistry, and biology are all liberal arts majors. And please cite the source of your list.

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cc: or whatever your name is: Being called a “loser” by an old, lonely, narrow minded, xenophobe means I’m doing my job. Now continue your usual plutocrat lap dog duties and your ditto-head whine.

Centrist: What about Willard’s over seas tax shelters? The amount of US capital hidden over seas make the 47% claim you make a drop in the bucket.

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I posted some of this earlier on Dupree’s column, sorry if you read it there. One of the posters there was whining about how regressive the Romney policies were. America has really changed for the worse, if traditional American solutions are now off the table, for some voters.

I never knew America was such a rotten place, prior to Barry telling us how we ain’t going back to that. I have lived here for more than half a century and until this recent unpleasantness I thought we had the worlds best economy. We had some differences on social issues, but I thought we all enjoyed the American lifestyle. America still has the best standard of living in the world. Our poor are better off than the middle class in most other countries.

But, I guess all these liberals were miserable all those years, whoda thunk it? I thought I was doing great, working hard, saving my money, and getting slowly more wealthy. Never been rich, started out with $65.00 and a new job, been wonderful ever since. I guess some folks couldn’t do that or didn’t want to go through the effort.

We sure had and still have the best standard of living compared to anywhere else in the world. Guess Liberals are complainers and whiners, because most of America did great from WWII to about 2008, ups and downs, but on the whole getting more prosperous as we aged. Not sure if the complainers are upset because they didn’t do well, or they are just envious of those who did better.

Romney wants to take us back to that great economy, but seems some want to wander around in this current miasma. Obama has no answers, that is obvious, or he would have tried them, so we elect him and we continue with the status quo. Remember 2008 and hope and change, when the status quo wasn’t good enough, now it is all Barry can talk about. Stay the course, stay the course (status quo), can you believe it, Obama likes the status quo of 23 million Americans either unemployed, under employed, or not looking for employment.

I am voting for returning to prosperity. This current situation is nothing to live with, much less strive for.

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Gravy do you wake up everyday obsessed with your non magic underwear? I am sure your wife can attest to the fact, that there is no magic there!

You should change your handle to Latter Day Gravy or Mormon Gravy.

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Rafe:

Gravy’s obsession with Romney’s underwear tends to indicate that he might be fixated on getting into Mitt’s underwear. I don’t think Mitt swings that way so Gravy will be left to his dreams.

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Four Americans died and Obama/Biden lied. This should be the final spike into this incompetent administrations hard-left heart. Hope for change fellow American’s. We can’t afford four more years and we’ll be cleaning up from the last four many years to come.

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cc @ 5:57 pm

Are you trying to be funny? Perhaps you would like to see anything that Kyle and you write to remain unopposed, just a blog for sycophants. It won’t happen.

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Obama’s friends…Frank Marshall Davis (a card carrying communist and Obama’s mentor), William Ayres and Bernardine Dohran (two radical’s from the communist Weatherman movement), Rev. Wright a radical far-left Black theologian) and his own father Barack Hussein Obama ( a hard left anti-West radical). Get this slime out of America’s White House.

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Forgot to mention, Khalid al-Mansour and Louis Farrahhan, two radical Islamic Muslims.

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It’s always someone else’s fault with the ditto-heads. No personal responsibilty that Willard talks about. “Talk” is all it is.

cc: Don’t worry about me, worry about yourself. Who’s gonna pay the difference when Willard’s vouchers run out for you? Dumb old coot. Like it or not, people like me are the future. Your party is shrinking by the day. No fresh recruits. Young people don’t care about your 30+ year old agenda. Really, it goes back to the 1930’s. Well, I’ll be here on November 6th when you all get your rude awakening again. It makes me happy watching you whine. By the way: My employer is People Against Grumpy Old Racists and Xenophobes. Our mission is to promote the further destruction of the modern GOP. Our job is very easy because you are all so eager to destroy yourselves. Our best recruiters are George W Bush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and now includes Todd Aiken, Willard and Boy Blunder, Lyin’ Ryan. We want to personally thank brainless wonders like yourself that vote R no matter what. The more you whine, the stronger we become. So keep it up.

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@Rafe…”the day of America’s restoration”

Wow you think the Dems will carry that House too! That’s agressive. I was thinking we will pick up 8-10 seats.

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Gravy and Cheesy ,

Are both the consummate cut and pasters from left wing Web sites.

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@td…”If they make ANY money, they should pay some small amount if for no other reason than having some “skin in the game”.”

Remember that load of horse$hit next time someone is cutting your grass, making your bed, prepping your food or dying in a foreign land. They have skin in the game, what they need is a more level field to play on.

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“Frankly if an incumbent is under 45-46 percent who feel that he deserves to be re-elected, that’s normally trouble for the incumbent,” Zogby says. “When we first started in Ohio, it was 45 percent who felt that he deserved to be re-elected. Then . . . time for someone new is at 48 percent — just not good news for the president at this moment.”

Read more on Newsmax.com: John Zogby to Newsmax: Ohio Momentum ‘Clearly With Romney’
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

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Oh yes…the level playing field and everybody needs to have a fair shot. Far-left talking points. The truth is that the far- left leadership in this country couldn’t care less about fair shots. What they’ve really been striving for is a weakened America where poverty is the new normal with only the ruling class on top of the food chain. The left has been a cancer in American society and hopefully America will turn them back in November.

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Yo Del…that’s some good weed you got going there…you have completely lost touch with reality.

“What they’ve really been striving for is a weakened America where poverty is the new normal with only the ruling class on top of the food chain”

Yeah baby you are all over it.

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@ JDW – Financial security will only come via a robust economy. High tax rates stifle productivity (time off, satisfaction with the status quo instead of paying increased tax rates) is a drag on job creation and the economy.

The payroll tax is meant to pay for Social Security and Medicare benefits – not national defense and all other government functions that 100% (not just 53%) enjoy. Without skin in the game, those who don’t contribute are freeloaders. The truly indigent (if not able bodied) should and are taken care for – it is the other element that cheats and has their votes bought.

Politicians will never agree to a consumption tax – they can’t buy votes or payoff campaign contributors via manipulation of the tax code. That goes for both Republicans and< Democrats. The talk about a millionaire/billionaire fairness tax is just that – electioneering talk. The Democrat Senate couldn’t/wouldn’t pass it.

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JDW

October 13th, 2012
7:25 pm

First, I made that point (and still believe it) several months ago so I really do not understand where the attack is coming from today.

Second: The playing field is level. What you are asking is that the playing field should be guaranteed and that my friend it the major difference between the libs (socialist, social justice, communist or progressives) and conservatives. Everyone has the opportunity to get an education and then take that education, work harder and longer then the next guy and make it in this country if they choose too. For example just look at most of the immigrants that come here. If you do not want or are not willing to put in the effort then that is on the individual not the society.

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I thought Norway had highest standard of living.

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@td…and while I am at it…the net effect of what you just said is to take food from people’s mouths so folks like Donald Trump can keep a few more bucks in the bank.

JDW
1. No one in America is without food, Donald Trump and others like him provide enough in taxes to assure that anyone who wants one, has an EBT card. Trump’s taxes alone, I’m sure, are sufficient to support the dietary habits of thousands of poor people. How many more is he supposed to supused his money to buy over priced Chevy Volts, for the folks at the Austrian Embassy.port? He has no control over how his tax money is spent, if someone is hungry, it may be that the Government chose to use the money to buy over priced Chevy Volts for the Austrian Embassy instead.

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Well, I see we have a nice crowd here tonight. Off sub;ject but going forth with vigor!!

As you can tell, I have just returned from a delightful dinner of the evening (which I did not prepare). That creates happiness for almost everyone. Let’s see.

Rafe: I liked your all America post. Good to read appreciation for our great country.

Del: Hold their feet to the fire!!

cc: Just throw Gravy a biscuit. That quiets him a bit.

Tomnsuwanee: You are so right! Bush was a strong, honest leader.

MarkV: Haven’t you heard? Calling folks “liars” is not the way to win friends and influence people. ‘Tis true..

Well, I did a little reading today. Reviewed Dante’s Inferno! Not all of it. That man should have been a blogger. He could give ‘em hell..

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Care for the poor, sick and even the lazy should be delegated down to the local level where it can be administered most effectively by local business the churches and the community at large. Administered by the federal government is ineffective for two reasons, first of all the federal government is too far removed and worse yet it becomes a vote focused function. Socialism doesn’t work.

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Yo Del…better lay off the weed you are going to be sick.

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@td…”First, I made that point (and still believe it) several months ago so I really do not understand where the attack is coming from today.”

Because you made it again and ITS JUST WRONG. IT WAS WRONG THEN, IT IS WRONG NOW AND WILL BE WRONG TOMORROW.

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@Rafe…”No one in America is without food”

You need to get out more. Do some volunteer work. Make some new acquaintances.

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JDW

October 13th, 2012
8:07 pm

I did not make it bud, cc did and I agree with him 100%.

It is only wrong for you socialist and the lazy that do not want to go out and take advantage of what is put before them. If people can come to this country, not speak English and make it then any natural born citizen has no excuse.

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cc

October 13th, 2012
8:16 pm

JDW just can not deal with the thought that people have to be responsible for themselves and not the government responsible for the peoples basic needs. Total socialist.

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Circle the wagons
Clear the path
Plutocrats are cashing in
Because ditto-heads have no math

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JDW

Please give us your first hand account of helping the starving in our country.

I believe there may be hungry people in our country. That is because they do not use the facilities and programs available to them. Almost every church I know about has a food pantry or a connection to a community food bank. Children are fed at school, many of them for breakfast and lunch. We all know about other government programs such as food stamps, etc.

Not only are churches reaching out to the needy among numerous other programs, they reach around the world (Would you like to hear about Lutheran World Relief and others?)

To make needy people in the USA a political “bone’ is almost rediculous. With millions beyond our shores dying from malnutrition and starvation, it is hardly plausible to talk about “starving Americans” when one of our biggest national health problems is obesity.

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JDW

October 13th, 2012
8:31 pm

Yes and I am a small business owner and knows what is like to pull a payroll out of you butt by begging my local banker for a 30 day loan or by putting a 2nd mortgage on my house when times are hard and know what it is like to pay the government an extreme amount of money before I can pay myself. I know what is like to have a good employee that has to leave because I had to pay for some stupid new regulation guideline instead of being able to give him the raise he earned.

You may have been able to hit you production numbers but you sure do not know how to do math. If you did then you would know that if we taxed those evil rich like you at a 100% level then we would not even be able to balance the budget much less pay down the debt. Yes, you are a socialist.

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@td…”Yes, you are a socialist.”

And you need to learn the definition of words before you start tossing them around like you know what you are talking about.

As for the rest of your bit…

Bankers can be a pain, but if you have a solid plan at the end of the day they want to give you money if they can make money from the exchange.

If you are paying taxes before paying yourself you need a better accountant because it doesn’t work that way.

You might think you lost that employee solely because of money but fact is that isn’t why most people leave…it is a convenient excuse.

As for the “evil rich” and the debt…I kind of liked the 90’s and think that ought to be the model…not Snake Oil from Mittens.

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Dusty @ 7:53 pm

Dusty,
Where did you get the idea that I make comments here to make friends and influence people?

I was a little hard on Kyle today, but I am getting tired of his twisting what people say and use that as a foundation for an expression of his political philosophy. I hope to write a better comment on the subject of this article, because education is one of my interests, but it will have to wait until later.
G’nite.

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JDW

Your service at church is commendable. But would you say that even the homeless people were “starving”? I was under the impression that you thought many Americans were starving (thus would need more government help which only Obama would provide). Was I wrong?

Oh yes, I believe that every Christian should help needy people to their fullest extent. That is a personal commitment. When the matters of government are depleted by services which should be done by by non-governmental agencies, I think we have gone beyond personal commitment.into the realm of communistic care.

American citizens are the most generous in the world. I think they have reached the zenith of caring for fellow citizens. The need for fair and equal government for all, rich or poor,should not be depleted by any program. We have reached the time for a decision on that matter. .

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@Dusty…malnourished might be a better choice of words.

Americans of the past were generous. This country took a turn for the worse that was started by the Gingrich led Republicans in 1994. The Republican Leadership of today is small minded and dangerous.

Our middle class is disappearing. If we follow their lead we will be left with the modern version of16th century France.

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@Dusty…”The need for fair and equal government for all, rich or poor,should not be depleted by any program. We have reached the time for a decision on that matter”

Alright its halftime…damn Chickens need to roll over…I can switch to a keyboard.

We have a problem in this country…we spend more than we take in by about $1 trillion. We have to solve that problem and there are two ways.

First we have the Republican position, which BTW does not solve the problem. Cut taxes by $5 Trillion, try to pay for it with limiting deductions and hope like hell against all evidence to the contrary that we grow our way out. We tried that twice. Clinton cleaned up Reagan’s mess and our current dilemma remains unsolved. Current Republicans also tweak Social Security and toss Medicare to the Vouchers.

Then we have the Democratic positions, which BTW does not solve the problem. Raise taxes back to the 1990’s level on the more wealthy and cut the gap. Make some stride on controlling health care costs. Tweak Social Security. Then hope like hell we eventually grow our way out.

The answer is, as always in the middle and as voters we don’t have the luxury of a candidate that actually solves the problem. For my money the Dems take one step forward while the Republicans take two steps back. Our best hope is that Obama is elected and the Dems control the Senate but not the House ( though it would be helpful if they made some gains). That should bring the Republicans to the table to negotiate a framework along the lines of the Clinton era combined with a Simpson Bowles type framework that will solve the problem…until of course someone (ahem George W. Bush) screws it up again.

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JDW

October 13th, 2012
9:39 pm

“Raise taxes back to the 1990’s level on the more wealthy and cut the gap.”

There is that math problem again. If you raise taxes on everyone making $250,000 per year back to the Clinton era rates then you only raise $80 billion per year on a $1 trillion deficit. In other words you are taking care of 6 days worth of excess government spending.

You forgot to mention that there is a third way and the way we must go and that is to cut spending. Repeal Obamacare brings in more money per year then raising taxes on the rich. There is already a plan that will balance the budget and it is called the Penny plan. Go look it up and study it a little. It basically says to stop all automatic increases in the Federal budget for 6 years and then actually cut (not decrease the amount of projected increases) 1 penny or 1% per year for 6 years and the budget will be balanced. If each department can not find 1% per year in waste, fraud and abuse then there is something wrong with the department.

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JDW

What country do you consider more generous than the USA? I don’t believe there is one. And what in the world makes you want to blame Gingrich for any and every problem? He is an intelligent and highly gifted man who knew how to make a balanced government budget.

Of course he was imperfect in many human ways, but still a leader. Believe me, we are all aware of imperfect leaders of every political persuasion. But to pick one and only one is hardly cognizant, ’specially one who now has no influence or power.

Considering America’s indebtedness, I would say that fiscal problems are wrecking our country. It is not only what happened in the past but what has happened recently. You have obviously ignored the past four years.

The guillotines are not ready but we must get our finances in shape with those who are more able to do it. I have hope for the future because we live in a free country where changes are legal and necessity will lead us to make them. I look forward to that day.

G’nite…

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“Our middle class is disappearing.”

Great sound bite, JDW, but WHERE is it disappearing to?

Government statistics show that the “poor” (percentage of people living in poverty) hasn’t really changed in the nearly 50 years since Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society programs. So the first thing is that all these government programs that have been instituted to help the poor have largely failed to move the needle on eradicating poverty.

The second point is that if the middle class is, indeed disappearing, and the percentage of people living in poverty hasn’t changed, where did they go?

The only direction is up, JDW.

So the next time you read that DNC talking point, go out and thank an employer for providing the job that enabled that middle class person to move up in life.

Tool.

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Eureka! I do believe you have found the truth!

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Rafe:

Mine was a musical interlude for our resident “ninner-ninnerloper.”

(ISH)

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Guest – 4:57

http://www.campusgrotto.com/most-popular-college-majors

Apparently, you’ve never heard of the academic term “Arts and Sciences”.

I wonder why that is?

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TRUTH@9:57 am:

The TRUTH is that business will do what is in the best interests of the owner/shareholders. The purpose of business is not to pay inflated wages and furnish infinite benefits to union goons. Taxation is another factor that must be considered. If a business must move off-shore in order to return a decent profit, it certainly will do exactly that. Business start-ups are very slow because no one in their right mind would attempt to begin a business now with the knowledge that Obama and his political worshippers have targeted you for higher taxes and created a very uncertain future.

“Crazier, its not the President’s fault for private biz doing so.”

Oh, yes, it IS the president’s fault. Any sane, thinking person recognizes that fact.

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Great lyrics, but hard to dance to!

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bluecoat
CC you reek a heap.We need to tax the rich more.Put more stringent rules and regulations on these companies that pollute our air and streams

So, you want to move more industry and rich people overseas? I thought the goal was to bring jobs and money back home?

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bluecoat@11:56 am:

Why not stick to one subject at a time? Why do I get the impression that you fail to understand how a free market economy works and the necessity for a concern to be competitive in pricing?

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Must be a man thing.

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@@, that is not this man’s thing!

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getalife, here’s your response . . .

“People who haven’t been paying attention were surprised to learn of this week’s debate moderator’s (Martha Raddatz) close connection to the President. He was a guest at one of her three weddings and a she was invited to his wedding and a visitor to the vice-president’s home just months ago. Other bloggers have made lists of the substantial number of media figures married to Administration appointees and Democratic Party figures. I don’t know why this should be surprising. The incestuous relationship between the media and the Democrats is of such longstanding that you could say the Capitol is like Deliverance with better clothes and haircuts.”

“In this week’s dueling banjos (vice presidential debate) she played her role, working in tandem with vice President Biden to block Congressman Paul Ryan from having an uninterrupted sentence of consequence. Still, Biden could not exercise even a modicum of restraint and his constant heckling, inappropriate laughing and smirking, certainly brought to mind Lonnie, the inbred banjo playing boy in the movie.”

“Despite the best efforts of these two, Congressman Ryan held his own and suggested a maturity and gravitas no one in the present administration has.”

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My message for the younger generation is pay attention to politics and vote for your future. Vote.

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getalife, you are hopeless. Your lack of knowledge as to how the economy works, what drives it and what you derive from it when it works well is abundant. You fail to understand that dimocrats stifle the economy, and Obama has had much more of a damaging effect on it than any dimocrat president since Carter. There are reasons why the economy under Clinton did well, and one of those reasons is that a Republican House forced him into welfare reform and holding back the increase of the size of the federal government. Should Obama be re-elected (he won’t be), the economy will continue its downward spiral and many more jobs will disappear. My prayer is that dimocrat voters pay the heaviest price in such a scenario.

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Young people should get
involved in politics as soon
as possible and stay involved
all their lives. Nothing gets
done without politics. More
participation by the public
could cure many of our
problems.

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If you call what the dummycrats provide you with “a future,” your drug habit must only run you about $200 a week, just sayin…

Or $250, if you have six kids.

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Suspect even the movie would be beyond the comprehension of leftists.

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They can fight for the wealthy that do not need any help from anyone and waste their lives or they can stand up and fight for who they are.

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I’d advise young people to live in mom and dads basement the first 2 years while going to a community college vs running off to these 4 yr institutions, staying drunk, not giving a crap about classes, having to take those classes again, and have debt out the wazoo because of that new found ill advised freedom of choice.

Beats the heck out of 5-6 years of student loans and then move into the basement………..it also might send these bigger schools a message that the kids will NOT be paying all these overpriced professors and administrators………..

I have to love the irony of these 1% liberal professors/administrators making it unaffordable for the 99%………….

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Arlen Spectre died!!??!!

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There is a simple test of rationality and sanity. Those who believe that the Administration has ”cooked the books” about unemployment are beyond help.

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Spectre? Really?

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MarkV:

I know this is a waste of my time and energy, but . . . did you know they do not include those unemployment who still haven’t found employment after they dropped off the unemployment compensation roles? Do you not also know they make no allowance for the ‘under-employed’?

I’m sure you knew all that, didn’t you?

The last report did not have the unemployment claims for the whole state of California and thus did not square the ‘new jobs’ figure, but you already knew that, didn’t you?

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cc @7:05 pm

I realize that you are beyond help but do you realize that the BLS has been using the same methodology all the time? And when you are making the slanderous accusation of “cooking the books,” who are you accusing? The independent, professional people at the BLS?

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td @7:39 pm: ”You mean the two chief economist for BLS that are huge Obama contributors? Now can you tell us how those samples are drawn each month?”

This is all people like you can do. Make accusations with no evidence, and insult the huge number of professional people of all political persuasion that would have to be involved. It is disgusting, and I have no desire to discuss it with you and your ilk.

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cons,

Self reflect for a moment and tell the younger generation why you fight for the wealthy that does not need any help from any American.

Do tell.

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getalife

October 14th, 2012
8:10 pm

“Here is a list of companies we’ve confirmed are “Exporting America.” These are U.S. companies either sending American jobs overseas, or choosing to employ cheap overseas labor, instead of American workers.”

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/popups/exporting.america/content.html#o

Imagine if all these jobs are home.

Now this is funny as h3ll coming from you libs. This was a crusade taken on by Lou Dobbs that got him fired because it was making Obama look to bad.

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@@,

That does not answer the question.

Not them . You.

Tell them why you fight for Americans that never need your help.

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I would tell them I fight for them to have cheaper interest rates on their college loans. I fight for them to level the playing field to give them a shot at the American dream. I fight for good paying jobs in our country not China.

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“Self reflect for a moment and tell the younger generation why you fight for the wealthy that does not need any help from any American.”

Maybe one can tell the younger generation why one thinks the wealthy are not paying their “fair” share when they already pay most of the income taxes in this country.

For me, it comes down to choices, we ALL live here and should ALL have to pay regardless of what we make as our own choices play a very large role in what we make but what we make does not diminish each of our responsibilities to society……….

Why should an individual that never wants to make much money not have to help pay for society just because they choose not to participate??

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“dobbs hated bush like he hates immigrates.”

Dobbs is married to a Latino you silly goose…….which is why he has a problem with those that have no regard for our system……….

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“President Barack Obama on Monday proposed substantial new spending”

“Spending” being the operative word…….Greece “invested” heavily, until it ran out of money…..now it wants to see if Germany will let them spend some of theirs……..

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md,

Yes our President proposes but it is congress that spends the money.

congress built the deficit yet they get a free pass and you blame the President.

Weird and bizarre. Makes no sense md. Do you have any common sense?

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mitt does not give any details to pay for his tax cut on the wealthy because he wants the middle class to pay 8 grand to pay for it. 8 grand, do you have 8 grand to give to government? That is what you are voting for. Is mitt worth 8 grand a vote? Wake up.

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It’s simple question md.

You can do it.

Just tell the truth why you fight for Americans that need no help.

It is a personal answer.

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Because I have morals get…..and i KNOW that WE choose everything we do. So sorry, I’m not joining your crusade to have others pay for my share of anything……..

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Dusty,

It is not about me. I don’t help others that do not need it. It is about you.

Can you answer it?

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td,

Economists say it not me.

Are you willing to pay 8 grand to pay for another tax cut for the wealthy if you are middle class?

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getalife

October 14th, 2012
10:13 pm

What economist? Klugman and other libs?

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md

October 14th, 2012
10:13 pm

Do not forget about that little 3.8% Obamacare tax if you ever decide to sell your house. That means $3,800 for every $100,000 you get out of it.

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Our President cut taxes many times and if the gop want to prove to Vice President Biden that they are not lying to help the middle class, just pass a bill to prove it.

They won’t because they only vote to help the wealthy. Fact.

You cons support that so I asked a simple question but it was too tough for your minds to handle it.

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The 8 grand has nothing to do with ObamaCare.

You can’t answer that question too.

You cons need to take a break for self deflection to see what you are doing.

You are hurting yourselves and I am trying to help you understand this fact.

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“You are hurting yourselves and I am trying to help you understand this fact.”

If it comes down to voting for others to pay my share, I’m already not worth a dang……….can’t hurt myself any worse than that.

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“If it comes down to voting for others to pay my share, I’m already not worth a dang……….can’t hurt myself any worse than that.”

The me generation thinks it is all about them. If you are middle class , mitt’s tax plan costs you 8 grand to pay for his tax cut on the wealthy.

That is about you paying a higher share for voting for mitt.

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md,

It is the truth and the reason mitt ran from it in the debate.

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And you really do need to lay off the 8k number, it makes you look like you are in left field. Obama uses 2k in is lie, you might want to get closer to that one to at least not look so far out there.

And all those economists are guessing as Romney said he wouldn’t even be the one deciding which loopholes and credits get cut, those would come from congress……on both sides. So you are basically peddling a very bogus premise to begin with.

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Wealth gap? If the american consumer would quit sending their money to China, Vietnam, Indonesia, India, etc, maybe they would make each other wealthy vs making all those folks on the other side of the planet wealthy.

Don’t tell me you’ve fallen for that lie about the wealthy here taking money from the masses??

The masses have given it to others around the globe……are current trade deficit is 50 billion a month………I’ll say that again, a month………gone out of this country…….that’s going to be an awful long flight for that revolution.

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“You cons need to take a break for self deflection to see what you are doing.”

We’re trying to save this nation from the destruction you and your party are doing to it, getalife.

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md,

It is up to congress and watch them vote and debate on C-Span.

The only party that votes for the middle class are the dems.

That is why I will vote for them.

If the gop ever decide to start voting for the middle class, I will take them seriously but now they vote to help Americans that need no help. It is what it is and that is the truth.

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You can see the desperation setting in with the Hate America Crowd just by reading getalife’s comments.

I’d like to say I feel his pain but that would make me a liar.

He’ll come to like President Romney, after a while.

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Latest polls show NH now had moved into the Romney/Ryan column and this is great news as R/R will be able to bring new ideas to the table for these college students.

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Guest – 8:46

I did not make any claims, one way or the other, as to the accuracy of thise site. YOU are the one who said they were questionable.

Bachelor of Arts vs Bachelor of Science

http://www.com/search?q=bachelor+of+artstvs+bachelor

Read and learn

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“Great sound bite, JDW, but WHERE is it disappearing to?”

My God you are a Maroon…since 1980 it has been marginalized as the more wealthy take a larger and larger piece of the pie. Jobs sent overseas to maximize earnings, minimum wage increases forgotten, health care costs run amok and educational opportunities increasingly expensive.

And the response of the Party of No…why let them eat cake of course! More tax cuts, more whining, more obfuscation and above all more “morality”.

Funny thing is about half the Party of No’s support (in the South at least) comes from those that are acting in their own economic disinterest.

Get out and read man…poverty higher than in the last 52 years, income gap widest in 50 years…doesn’t that tell you anything?

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@Rafe…yes the chickens got it…now we have to actually hope for the hated Gators to give us a direct line back.

“You seem to like Clinton a great deal, but you do know that most of his success, occurred after he abandoned the notion of big Government and embraced some GOP positions of lowering taxes and growing the economy. ”

Interesting view…as I remember Clinton raised taxes never lowered and it was his positions in opposition to the Republicans that were proved effective. From an economic perspective there were two key ones…first he raised taxes (O’ don’t your remember the howling about how the economy was going to implode ) and by doing so raised revenue. Then he embraced PAY GO and in doing so controlled spending.

Net result is he accomplished what any good businessman will tell you…the key to driving growth is to raise revenue at a faster rate than spending. That is the point that is lost on today’s Republicans. They prefer to tilt at windmills like reducing spending…hint IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN…you just can’t do it because of the impact on the economy. Why just look at the blathering on the Sequester, anyone that wanted to reduce spending would just let it happen but they won’t. Actual spending reductions are a waste of time. What you have to do is slow the rate of growth so that the economy and revenue grows faster. Then the problem takes care of itself over time…that is until the next Duhbya that doesn’t understand….you know the guy that lowered taxes and tossed PAY GO.

“Romney is talking about those things, lowering taxes and growing government, ”

See that’s the problem with Mitt…here we are, taxes lower than the were the in 90’s, government revenues at their lowest percentage of GDP in 50 years and Mitt wants to lower taxes claiming he will then pay for it and lower spending…it’s a pipe dream…net effect of Mitt will be the same as Reagan and Duhbya…lower revenue, higher spending and higher deficits.

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JDW

Check out GDP growth and job growth under Reagan. If only he had gotten the spending cuts he was promised by Tip O’Neill, the deficit would have dropped significantly. I blame the Dems for the debt increase as Reagan brought in the revenue he promised, but the Dems just spent it all instead of applying it to reducing the debt. Hopefully Romney has learned the lesson of promised cuts.

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Never worry……… vote Obama and he will “pardon” their debt at the expense of the few remaining tax payers.

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“Cutting spending is a waste of time”………. and that mindset has given us a $16 T R I L L I O N dollar deficit. You socialists are brain dead zombies for Obama.

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@Rafe…BTW…if it were my choice we would go to Clinton era taxes circa 1996 across the board. That is not on the table so I have a choice between cutting all or raising some…I go with raising some.

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JDW, just a suggestion: righteous indignation is NOT an effective debate skill. Countering arguments is.

Income disparity has nothing to do with the middle class disappearing, which is the DNC talking point I was debunking.

So poverty levels are highest in 52 years, hunh? Care to do the research and see what percentage of our population is in poverty according to government figures? Here’s a clue: It has always been hovering between 13% and 18%, with 15% being the average. Despite over 50 years of income redistribution policies by YOUR party, we haven’t moved the needle lower than those two numbers. Including now.

Oh, another effective debate trick – answer the question being asked. If the poverty needle hasn’t moved, where is the middle class supposedly disappearing to, JDW? They aren’t getting poorer according to the government you are so enamored with, so if they aren’t moving downward, where have they gone?

The ONLY direction is – UP.

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Barack Obama finally finds a job he’s qualified to do:

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20121015/641478_obama101512.jpg

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@Tiberius…”The ONLY direction is – UP”

I don’t have much time for your nonsense today…Google is your friend…in 2000 the Poverty rate for families was around 9.3% today it is north of 15%…that’s a change and not a good one. That’s where the middle class is going. It’s real simple if you read a bit…the bottom 80% of the country is doing worse the top 20 better…the middle class, according to historical norms is shrinking.

Now live in a fantasy world if you like but my guess is if you spent the day going through your own financial situation over the last 10 years you would see the same trend…not because you are unique but because that’s what is happening everywhere.

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Gov’t spending as a cure? Japan has been doing it for 2 decades…….debt to gdp ration now at 200%.

It worked so well for Greece that they are now using Germany’s money to do it some more……..

Borrow and spend is a gamble at best, and does nothing but make the hole deeper if the gamble does not pay off………..a bit like borrowing money to gamble to pay the bookey, and getting ones legs broken when that bet also goes bad .

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Take a gander at the first chart in this link, JDW:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/11/poverty-in-the-50-years-since-the-other-america-in-five-charts/

Not the poverty level, as complied by the government you worship, has NEVER been anywhere near 9% (unless you’re cooking the books as well). Note that it has hovered between 18% in 1965 to lows of about 11% (once again, the average is around 15%) but it’s always been there, despite trillions of dollars of income redistribution by your party.

Epic, epic, fail.

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Wow, even Fox News is tired of the Romney/Ryan incessant lying.:

On Sunday, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace pressed senior Romney adviser Ed Gillespie on the credibility of these six studies, noting that each of them have serious issues:
GILLESPIE: Six different studies have said this is entirely doable.
WALLACE: Those are very questionable. Some of them are blogs, some of them are from AEI, an independent group.
GILLESPIE: These are very credible sources.
WALLACE: One of them is a blog from a guy who was a top adviser for George W. Bush. These are hardly non-partisan studies.
GILLESPIE: Look Chris these AEI and other studies are very credible sources of analysis

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td
October 14th, 2012
10:23 pm

md

October 14th, 2012
10:13 pm

Do not forget about that little 3.8% Obamacare tax if you ever decide to sell your house. That means $3,800 for every $100,000 you get out of it.
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The Patient Protection Affordable Care Act does include a 3.8 percent tax on investment income for wealthy people, specifically individuals making more than $200,000 a year or married couples earning more than $250,000 a year.

Even if you’re a member of these two percent, there’s not a sales tax on home sales. The tax is assessed only if you make more than $250,000 on the sale (or $500,000 for couples), and even then it applies only to the amount of profit over that limit.

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Although I do appreciate his understated style, there are not too many time I feel compelled to express my agreement with Mr. Wingfield. But here is one: Students and Parents, please do not yield so easily to the “college or bust” propaganda machine. Certainly extend your education beyond high school, but know that a traditional 4/5 year BS/BA degree should be the goal for only around 25% of high school graduates; about the same percentage as careers that require such. Skilled workers are in great demand but short supply and the degrees come with a much smaller price tag. If you do not enjoy the academic challenges of high school, you will almost certainly not suddenly find a love for them in college. Instead of tilting at windmills, go learn how to do something!

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