I’m back — with a different view of the first debate
The Blue Screen of Death greeted me at the office this morning, suggesting my laptop wasn’t ready for its autumn vacation to end. Nonetheless, albeit belatedly …
I’m back.
It was a good trip, but it’s even better to get back here right in the swing of the election season, with just under a month to go until election time.
The big story while I was gone, of course, was last week’s debate between Mitt Romney and Clint Eastwood’s Empty Chair President Obama. The consensus is that Romney won handily, and the opinion polls show a much-tightened race as a result: Not only is Obama’s lead in the Real Clear Politics average of polls down to just 1.1 percentage point, but Romney is up to his highest level in the past year, over 47 percent on average.
Without getting into details from the debate’s exchanges which y’all have probably already read many times during the past several days, I do want to make one observation. I watched the debate in its entirety on CNN International, but not until it was rebroadcast about 10 hours later. Just before the replay began, CNN ran through the day’s headlines — including the belief among analysts and even a snap poll of undecided viewers that Romney was the runaway winner. Intrigued, my dad and I watched with the expectation of a blow-out performance by Romney. I think it’s fair to say we both thought he won the debate, but not as easily as we’d been led to believe.
As I understand it, this contrasts significantly with the expectations set for most Americans who watched it live. From what I hear, the lead-up to the debate framed it more as the beginning of a month-long wake for Romney’s campaign. His lack of a convention bounce and much-parsed comments about the “47 percent” had all but snuffed out his chances, and the eloquent Mr. Obama would finish him off by verbally slicing and dicing him before a national TV audience.
Maybe that’s a bit exaggerated, but here’s the point: Expectations matter. If you’re conditioned to believe Obama’s going to flatten Romney in the debate, then watch as Romney is energetic and aggressive while Obama drones on and spends much of his time looking down at the lectern, you’re likely to believe Romney seriously over-performed. Had the pundits beforehand proclaimed Romney as the heavy favorite, his actual performance might not have lived up to it.
Again, I thought Romney really did get the better of Obama. But as we head into the remaining debates — particularly including Thursday’s vice presidential debate, in which Paul Ryan is widely expected to have his way with the malapropism-prone Joe Biden — this is a reminder to be aware of how the expectations game colors actual performances.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Just Saying..
October 8th, 2012
3:19 pm
Welcome back, congrats to your brother and his wife.
Should be lots to talk about in the next four weeks.
Rickster
October 8th, 2012
3:25 pm
Watching it after the headlines were out raised your expectations. Watching it live, with low expectations for Romney, made it appear the blow-out it was.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
3:29 pm
“Maybe that’s a bit exaggerated, but here’s the point: Expectations matter. If you’re conditioned to believe Obama’s going to flatten Romney in the debate, then watch as Romney is energetic and aggressive while Obama drones on and spends much of his time looking down at the lectern, you’re likely to believe Romney seriously over-performed. Had the pundits beforehand proclaimed Romney as the heavy favorite, his actual performance might not have lived up to it.”
Gingrich made an interesting observation on Meet the Press this past Sunday, that the strategy of painting Romney black is backfiring in the debates – just as it did with Reagan: people have been given a false negative image of a man who seems quite different than that image when he appears in person in a debate watched by 70 million viewers.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
3:31 pm
Towncrier: Interesting, indeed. And I think there’s a lot of truth to that.
Btw, that 70 million thing is huge for Romney. Unless there was zero overlap between the TV audiences for the RNC and DNC — and I doubt anyone believes that was the case — there were MANY more people watching the debate than the conventions.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
October 8th, 2012
3:32 pm
Finn will be thrilled your back. I am sure he has an unhealthy amount of hate stored inside d of him.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
October 8th, 2012
3:34 pm
Not debating for 4 years and doing everything he could to avoid the real press lead to Obama being rusty on his feet.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
3:35 pm
Welcome back, Kyle. Hope you enjoyed the trip.
Here’s my take on the debate: Obama’s handlers have all been saying that this was a “new” Mitt Romney; one they had never encountered before.
Wrong on so many levels.
They came in ready to debate the Romney they had created in their minds, not the real Romney. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of hours creating a fictional caricature of someone they wanted to exist – the corporate raiding, tax-cutting, Bush on steroids who kills women by taking away their health care. This caricature was created by taking one-liners and parsing sound bites which they began to believe was the real Mitt Romney.
Unfortunately for them, the real Mitt Romney actually showed up. The moderate, let me take charge and explain my policy in it’s entirety and in my own words Mitt Romney.
They came in ready to debate their creation, but got a dose of a stark reality.
And I couldn’t be happier.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
3:35 pm
More evidence of liberal intolerance for any of their “own” (and that includes ALL black Americans apparently) straying from the fold or refusing to CONFORM to the group mentality:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/twitter-explodes-after-black-actress-endorses-romney-as-the-only-choice-for-your-future/
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
3:41 pm
Welcome back Kyle. PLEASE take back your sock puppets and idiots.
Since you now have shown that you believe in offshoring weddings to China what is next?
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
3:47 pm
“Towncrier: Interesting, indeed. And I think there’s a lot of truth to that.”
What is perhaps more interesting is to see how Obama, his campaign and all of his supporters in the media and in Hollywood have made up excuses for his “failure” to do well in the debate. That seems to be a meme of this administration: excuses. Contrast that with what great athletes say when they fail: “I was not playing very well and my opponent played a great game”. They don’t say “the altitude threw me off” or “I was bored” or “I had a lot on my mind” or “my opponent cheated”. And I think neither do great LEADERS say those sort of things. Obama is, at best, a very mediocre leader. Given the dire straits we find ourselves in, I think what most Americans feel is that we really need a great leader. We don’t know if Romney will turn out to be one. But we know Obama is not and got some hope in this last debate that maybe Romney will be.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
3:47 pm
People were shocked, SHOCKED that Obama’s straw man did not appear to have fangs nor horns.
Did you notice that the empty chair was holding an empty suit?
East Lake Ira
October 8th, 2012
3:50 pm
Mitt’s a liar.
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
3:52 pm
Kyle: It amazes me that you didn’t think that Romney didn’t pull off a good old fashioned behind the woodshed ass whuppin’ on the President. Maybe it WAS because you were “forewarned.” I saw it live and thought that Romney killed him. It was sad lol.
It looked like Romney was channeling Bill Clinton and the President was channeling……… AlfAlfa.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
3:56 pm
Fred: I thought he closed well, and maybe that left a lasting impression in a lot of people’s minds. I do think, however, that expectations are very important — and it’s safe to say the lead-up to the next debate will be very, very different. The bar for Romney will be higher. He’ll probably have to perform much better to get even the same level of praise.
And Paul Ryan? He’ll have to rip Biden’s beating heart out of his chest, Temple of Doom-style, to meet the expectations being set for him.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
3:57 pm
Krugman is an example, I think, of how any of us can become with politics – namely, oblivious to the “facts”. Here is a well educated and respected economist who is SO devoted to liberalism and Obama that he simply cannot accept the truth:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/08/krugman-calls-obama-debate-stretches-minor-fudges-but-romney-flat-out-untruths/
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
East Lake @ 3:50: Ironic, given that Obama’s $5 trillion figure has been proven false a) by one of the experts he cited and b) one of his own campaign spokeswomen.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
And Obama has a bigger problem in debates 2 & 3 now. His biggest asset is his “likeability” factor (certainly not his record).
He’s got to be very careful in how he handles the urge to attack Romney after this past performance, because if he gets too aggressive after looking weak, he loses the one thing that might ensure his re-election.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:01 pm
“And Paul Ryan? He’ll have to rip Biden’s beating heart out of his chest, Temple of Doom-style, to meet the expectations being set for him.”
Biden is an experienced debater and Ryan is not. But Ryan is younger and brighter. It will be interesting to see what happens if Biden gets his “facts” messed up in the debate and Ryan catches him on that. It might really unnerve Biden.
Michael H. Smith
October 8th, 2012
4:04 pm
Glad you are back Kyle.
The only way to view the debate is in the eye of reality: 1) Mitt clearly won 2) obama’s five trillion dollar mystery tax targeting the middle class that he attributes to Romney is now being discredited by one of obama’s own “CITED” sources who is disavowing obama’s assertions as invalid and untrue.
Next we have Joe “Gaffe” Biden who buried the middle class for the last four years to debate Paul Ryan. The DEMwits will need more than six days to prepare the Gaffe-nator.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
4:04 pm
Btw, folks, that 1.1-point average lead for Obama is about to decrease: Pew just reported a new poll that finds Romney up 4 points with likely voters, among whom he trailed by 8 points just three weeks ago.
I kept telling y’all this thing was going to be close until the end…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
4:05 pm
“And Paul Ryan? He’ll have to rip Biden’s beating heart out of his chest, Temple of Doom-style, to meet the expectations being set for him.”
A bit graphic, Kyle, but essentially correct.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:05 pm
“East Lake @ 3:50: Ironic, given that Obama’s $5 trillion figure has been proven false a) by one of the experts he cited and b) one of his own campaign spokeswomen.”
And (from http://www.gop.com/news/research/12-obama-debate-lies-and-counting/):
THE CLAIM: Obama Said “Gov. Romney’s Central Economic Plan Calls For A $5 Trillion Tax Cut.” OBAMA: “Gov. Romney’s central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut – on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that’s another trillion dollars – and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn’t asked for. That’s $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign.” (President Barack Obama, Presidential Debate, Denver, CO, 10/3/12)
THE FACTS: Obama “Is Off Base Here.” “The president said Romney was proposing a $5 trillion tax cut and Romney said he wasn’t. The president is off base here – Romney says his rate cuts and tax eliminations would be offset and the deficit wouldn’t increase.” (Brooks Jackson, Eugene Kiely, Lori Robertson, Robert Farley, D’Angelo Gore and Ben Finley, “Dubios Denver Debate Declarations,” Factcheck.org, 10/4/12)
THE FACTS: “Romney Is Not Proposing A $5 Trillion Reduction In Taxes.” (Brooks Jackson, Eugene Kiely, Lori Robertson, Robert Farley, D’Angelo Gore and Ben Finley, “Dubios Denver Debate Declarations,” Factcheck.org, 10/4/12)
“ The Obama Campaign Has “Extrapolated” Figures To Come Up With $5 Trillion. “By themselves, those cuts would, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, lower federal tax liability by ‘about $480 billion in calendar year 2015′ compared with current tax policy, with Bush cuts left in place. The Obama campaign has extrapolated that figure out over 10 years, coming up with a $5 trillion figure over a decade.” (Brooks Jackson, Eugene Kiely, Lori Robertson, Robert Farley, D’Angelo Gore and Ben Finley, “Dubios Denver Debate Declarations,” Factcheck.org, 10/4/12)
THE FACTS: “Obama’s Claim That Romney Wants To Cut Taxes By $5 Trillion Doesn’t Add Up.” “Obama’s claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn’t add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney’s tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama’s math doesn’t take into account Romney’s entire plan.” (Calvin Woodward, “FACT CHECK: Presidential Debate Missteps,” The Associated Press, 10/3/12)
Romney’s “Goal Is A Simpler Tax Code That Raises The Same Amount Of Money As The Current System But Does It In A More Efficient Manner.” “Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years. However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.” (Calvin Woodward, “FACT CHECK: Presidential Debate Missteps,” The Associated Press, 10/3/12)
THE FACTS: ABC’s Jon Karl: Obama’s Claim That Romney Has A $5 Trillion Tax Cut Plan Is “Mostly Fiction.” KARL: “Okay, so, the big thing there, and he came back to it several times, is Governor Romney has a $5 trillion tax cut plan. I rate that mostly fiction.” (ABC’s “Your Voice: 2012Presidential Debates,” 10/3/12)
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:09 pm
“I kept telling y’all this thing was going to be close until the end…”
Kyle, do you think the Libyan consulate attack and deaths story will get bigger with the upcoming House investigation?
Del
October 8th, 2012
4:16 pm
I expected Romney to do well and he did. I expected Obama to do much better and he didn’t. Romney’s previously risen to the occasion an example is his so called do or die confrontation with Gingrich in Tampa during the primary. Given the attacks on Romney prior to this first debate, which took a toll, Romney was indeed faced with a do or die circumstance and he rose to meet it.
joe
October 8th, 2012
4:18 pm
Joe “open mouth, insert foot” Biden will be roasted even more than Obama was later this week. Can’t wait for the soundbites on that one because everyone knows he will be “testing” various liberal zinger talking points…and you also know Biden will fire the first shot and Ryan will finish him off nicely.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:20 pm
This is the first I have seen of this:
=http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/08/claim-obama-campaign-illegally-solicited-foreign-donors-via-social-media-website/
Apparently it was forecast here:
=http://washingtonexaminer.com/was-obama-rattled-by-developing-donor-scandal-story/article/2509895#.UHM0plawXkM
Will this story actually gain wings? I guess a day or so will be needed to see. That could be huge if true.
Del
October 8th, 2012
4:21 pm
BTW…Welcome back Kyle. Was that your first trip to China?
MarkV
October 8th, 2012
4:24 pm
There were several expectations on the part of many people, which were not met. One of them was that Obama would effectively counter Romney’s assertions. Obama had plenty of chances, and he wasted most of them.
But another expectation that was not met was that Romney would not dare to lie so brazenly and flip-flop so thoroughly as he did.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
4:25 pm
He was already having a problem with his pants, but the real reason he wanted to quit smoking was because he kept setting fire to the end of his nose.
Famous Pinocchio quote in 1883, “When a politician is lit up at both ends, it’s past time to give it up.”
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:27 pm
“But another expectation that was not met was that Romney would not dare to lie so brazenly and flip-flop so thoroughly as he did.”
You deviated slightly from the DNC talking points (they did not make use of the word “brazenly”). You need to be re-assimilated.
getalife
October 8th, 2012
4:28 pm
Thank goodness you are back because your readers hung out over at Jay’s and it was a mess.
How was the smog Kyle?
Check Gallup again. The polls are swinging back and forth but the only poll that matters is a month
away. More debates, October job report and obl movie should swing them back to our President..
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
4:29 pm
<i.And Paul Ryan? He’ll have to rip Biden’s beating heart out of his chest, Temple of Doom-style, to meet the expectations being set for him.
I dunno. I think that if Biden shows up sober and can manage 2 coherent sentences that will be a major accomplishment……….
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:30 pm
Is reality breaking in on the liberal group consciousness? Judge for yourself:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/08/wapos-chris-cillizza-wonders-is-candidate-obama-overrated/
Del
October 8th, 2012
4:32 pm
It’s interesting that the Obama campaign has launched this character assault strategy of calling Romney a liar in order to counter Obama’s poor showing in the debates. Since the needle has moved now in Romney’s favor this desperation strategy is almost an insult to the electorate as the Obama campaign is brazenly assuming that the people will simply fall into step like sheep accepting this Romney lied mantra. Of course some will.
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
4:37 pm
Kyle, welcome back.
And I admire your courage to write this article.
Can you imagine how your regulars here would be going absolutely berserk had a Dem/liberal columnist written what you just did?
For some strange reason they treat you with kid gloves!
LOL!
I kept telling y’all this thing was going to be close until the end…
Except where it matters. (He’s down by about 90 votes and no way in hell does he make up the difference…)
getalife
October 8th, 2012
4:38 pm
mitt was for Libya before he was against it.
He wants to reoccupy Iraq because they are friends with Iran.
He thinks Russia is aq.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:39 pm
“It’s interesting that the Obama campaign has launched this character assault strategy of calling Romney a liar in order to counter Obama’s poor showing in the debates. Since the needle has moved now in Romney’s favor this desperation strategy is almost an insult to the electorate as the Obama campaign is brazenly assuming that the people will simply fall into step like sheep accepting this Romney lied mantra. Of course some will.”
It is pathetic and inexplicable, really – given the Internet and abundance of people doing “fact checking” and now “fact checking” of “fact checking”. I guess it shows how LITTLE the Obama campaign thinks of voter intelligence. The plain fact is that BOTH candidates said inaccurate things. So, to hypocritically call your opponent a “liar” while telling “fibs” yourself seems very brazen and insulting to everyone’s intelligence. That strategy seems somehow distinctly tied to Chicago politics. I believe that city is arguably one of the most – if not the most – corrupt one in American history.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
4:40 pm
JamVet @ 4:37: Romney is not “down by about 90 votes” unless you include all the polls that are well within the margin of error. He still might well lose, but making up “the difference” in statistically insignificant polls, with a month to go, is not exactly a tall order.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
4:41 pm
getalife @ 4:28: The smog wasn’t nearly as bad as in Cairo.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
4:42 pm
Del @ 4:21: Yep, first time there.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
4:42 pm
I’ve complimented Obama for being a great orator, an eloquent public speaker.
I take that back. He’s a great reader.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
4:43 pm
Towncrier @ 4:09: At the very least, I expect news about the attack to keep dribbling out. And I expect it to continue being bad for Obama. Bad enough to make a difference? I dunno.
Del
October 8th, 2012
4:44 pm
“That strategy seems somehow distinctly tied to Chicago politics. I believe that city is arguably one of the most – if not the most – corrupt one in American history.”
Yes…the Daley legacy and Obama along with his campaign leaders have grown up in it.
Dusty
October 8th, 2012
4:46 pm
Awww come one, Kyle, You stayed in China too long. You are supposed to come back with a rip roaring account of Romney’s great debate. Instead we get this namby pamby reasoning of sorta good kind of thing. Too much green tea or something? Get going here. This is no time for guru fence sitting. The vigilantes are roaring in defeat. Let’s keep it that way.
I’m glad you are back. But…en garde, mon ami !
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
4:48 pm
Kyle,
As of now the probability of Reaching 270 Electoral College votes
Democrats 98%
Republicans 2%
Better luck in 2016!
getalife
October 8th, 2012
4:52 pm
Kyle,
Cairo?
I did not know they had a smog problem . Driving from Vegas to Southern California’s smog is eery and dark. Roll up the windows.
The debates are easy now because media focuses on style and not substance.
May the best liar win.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:52 pm
“He still might well lose, but making up “the difference” in statistically insignificant polls, with a month to go, is not exactly a tall order.”
Kyle, on Jay’s blog I have been arguing that polls as we know them are becoming increasingly unreliable and expensive (due mainly to rapidly changing phone technology and restrictive laws) and that they are (and perhaps have been for a good while) biased because the people paying for them are mostly liberal media organizations.
One of the observations the Dustin Hawkins makes that had never occurred to me is that pollsters skew that results months before the election when they can get away with it but tell the truth near the end:
If Silver had decided to look at what polls from NYT and CBS were saying before their final poll in 2008, he would see that they had Obama winning by 14 early in October. That number would then drop to 13 in mid-October, and then 11 by the end of the month. The final CBS poll would settle in at 9 points, two points higher than Obama’s final margin of victory. So yes, the “final” poll was within 2 points of getting the vote right. But the one taken less than 4 weeks earlier had estimated his lead by more than double what actually happened. I’m guessing Nate Silver would have a great explanation about the McCain surge no one else experienced….
Cillizza declared Pew Research the “gold-standard in non-partisan polling” and said that the WaPo samples are correct because Pew’s non-voting adult samples back up the argument. How good is Pew? In their final poll in 2008, Pew Research just about nailed the 2008 result when they predicted a 6 point win for Obama. But what’s even more astonishing is that just a week before the election, on October 26th, the Pew poll had Obama up on McCain by an amazing 15 points. So in one week, McCain went from trailing Obama by 15 points to just 6 by election day. That was one heck of a surge for McCain at a time he was getting hammered and it was clearly over. But hey, Pew “nailed it.” Or, perhaps, the last poll got a little extra tweaking so they wouldn’t be embarrassed.
from: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/01/Media-Respond-to-Being-Challenged-on-Poll-Datahttp://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/01/Media-Respond-to-Being-Challenged-on-Poll-Data
I haven’t yet researches if the same thing has ever happened in reverse for Republicans. But if has not, then that (I think) is strong evidence of cooking the books.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
4:52 pm
Never trust the analytical skills of a Nader voter.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
4:54 pm
“I’ve complimented Obama for being a great orator, an eloquent public speaker.
I take that back. He’s a great reader.”
Good one, Linda. Very funny
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
4:57 pm
It is a bit amazing, but there is a very noticeable spike in Obama’s intensity when he’s speaking using the Teleprompter.
He’s just not all that confident in his positions until he’s told what they are.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
5:00 pm
“He’s just not all that confident in his positions until he’s told what they are.”
Yes…once liberals get away from the Universal Mind (and its “talking points”), they are “unplugged” and (so to speak) out of the Matrix.
Del
October 8th, 2012
5:00 pm
The only thing that’s saved Obama from falling precipitously behind Romney after the debates was the dip in unemployment percentage. While I don’t accept the conspiracy theory the household survey of 500 hundred or so households certainly was inaccurate and a disconnect between unemployment and new job creation.
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
5:09 pm
Alright, it took exactly one post to get a rise out of tibby!
Do I own the guy or what?!
Tibs, keep your powder and your diapers dry for 2016!
Dusty
October 8th, 2012
5:10 pm
Well, I knew it was a holiday but I did not know it was Milqtoast Day. Besides, we all know the BRAVES WON that last game!! Anyway, enjoy the tea party. I’m kinda busy right now.
(MarkV…..Romney did NOT lie in the debate. Take that back!!)
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 8th, 2012
5:16 pm
One TARP/NDAA supporting Neo-con versus the other TARP/NDAA supporting Neo-con.
Who cares?
.
Decent Americans(and the majority) will vote otherwise.
.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
5:16 pm
Tell us just how accurate you were in predicting the 2010 elections and special elections, AmVet (and don’t lie, because we know how off you were), and then make your case that we should believe any predictions you make in 2012.
This should be good for a laugh . . .
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
5:20 pm
“Alright, it took exactly one post to get a rise out of tibby! Do I own the guy or what?!”
So…your objective on blogs is to get a “rise” out of people? Is that what “Snoop Dogg” (doesn’t that name speak volumes?) was doing in saying Romney is a Mormon without any “hoes” or was that a liberal “argument”?
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
5:21 pm
“Tell us just how accurate you were in predicting the 2010 elections and special elections, AmVet (and don’t lie, because we know how off you were), and then make your case that we should believe any predictions you make in 2012.”
ROFL.
ODD OWL
October 8th, 2012
5:31 pm
Gov. Mittens Romney didn’t offer anything new during the debate last week… Romney told the same lies that he has been telling for the last two years.. Romney presented his lies in an agreesive manner with vigor and enthusiasm but it was all style and no substance… The 70 million viewers figure seem to be important to you non rich Republicans… But i would guess that as many as 300 million American viewers watched Mittens Romney spew lies with reckless abandon, during the 23 debates that he participated in during the Republican Presidential primaries… Gov. Romney is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest… Romney is a habitual, pathological liar… Newt Gingrich said that Romney was a liar… Romney walked out onto the debate stage, shook-up the etch-a-sketch and shape shifted into a bleeding heart, left wing, liberal, limousine riding, Rockefeller Republican… Romney reverse his positions on nearly every issue.. Romney is on both sides of all issues… President FDR talked about the way Republicans attempt to co-opt Democrats ideas and legislative agenda and claim that they created them.. The Republicans even attempted to co-opt and claim credit for social security and the other NEW DEAL programs that President FDR and the Democrats got through Congress without a single Republican vote… The more things change, the more they stay the same…The braindead Republicans don’t have any ideas or a plan that would benefit non rich Americans… The Republican politicians are the lap dogs of the rich and elite… Hey Johnny
one note” Boehner.. Where is that jobs bill you promised America two years ago ??? … Boehner is a lazy, shiftless laggard.. He need to get the lead out… Romney is a stylish, ruthless,flip-flopping, corporate boss, who will say anything to get elected… A shyster in an empty, shiny suit…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
5:39 pm
I think we can safely say that ODD OWL (and the “odd” part is certainly true) isn’t changing his vote anytime soon.
Kyle Wingfield
October 8th, 2012
5:41 pm
JamVet @ 4:48: Who says 98% to 2%? You?
In the RCP average, Obama’s lead has gone from 3.1 points on Oct. 3 (the day of the debate) to 0.5 points now, or a 2.6-point swing. And Romney actually leads by 1.3 points, a 4.4-point swing, if you look only at polls taken since the debate.
If each swing state moved by the same number of points — I’m not predicting that will happen, just giving you an illustration — a 2.6-point swing would take Romney to 257 EVs. A 4.4-point swing would take him to 281 EVs. Of course, you need 270 to win. A swing of more than 3 points is the magic number, as Romney currently trails by 3 in Ohio (the average of the two post-debate polls there is a tie).
Things will change again between now and then. But your confidence, I think, is excessive.
getalife
October 8th, 2012
5:42 pm
Dusty,
The Braves had a problem throwing the ball.
miit lied through his false teeth and ran away from his tax plan but when Americans focus on style with no substance, the best liar will win.
mitt won.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
5:43 pm
The debate reminded me of a movie. Obama spent millions in advertising dollars he mustered up from his fictional Hollywood friends, depicting Romney as a Scarecrow (straw man), a Tin Man (aloof) & a Cowardly Lion, all in one. Turns out Romney had brains, a heart & courage from the get-go. Romney was a tornado whereas Obama’s demeanor was as if he was repeating to himself that “there’s no place like home.”
Toto saved the day again by pulling back the curtain & exposing the Wizard of Oz as a fraud.
I don’t know about ya’ll but I’m wearing red high heels to the polls.
td
October 8th, 2012
5:50 pm
Linda
October 8th, 2012
5:43 pm
“I don’t know about ya’ll but I’m wearing red high heels to the polls.”
You go Linda. I can not see me getting into high heels.
bullwinkle
October 8th, 2012
5:53 pm
Romney’s a great salesman, and the debates put him in your living room. He sticks to the points he knows will resonate, he pre-emptively dissembles to counter any doubts (”my plan does cover pre-existing conditions”) and he exudes a sort of glib empathy – and does it with a straight face KNOWING there is video evidence that he possesses not the least bit of empathy for nearly half the country that he considers personally irresponsible. Which means he’ll win.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 8th, 2012
5:53 pm
OddOwl@5:31 – Nice comment about Speaker Boehner, so I guess you think a lot less of him than say Princess Pelosi and King Harry Reid?
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 8th, 2012
5:55 pm
Fred – I note a couple of nice posts by you here today. Are you ok? By the way I thought your posts were on the money.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
6:04 pm
“JamVet @ 4:48: Who says 98% to 2%? You?”
Exactly. But don’t look for a defense of his post against your rebuttal. None will be forthcoming. It seems he prefers to “get a rise” out of people above attempting to make an argument, probably because he is better at the former than the latter.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
6:08 pm
Welcome back Kyle, great to have you here.
Romney did not read from the script as Obama planned. He actually was able to speak to the American people for the first time since the primaries, and explained his positions. Obama does not have those problems, everything he says is picked up by the Media and commented on, slobbered over, and any errors covered up. Surprise, Romney’s positions were not anywhere near what Obama had been claiming they were. Obama had been watching his own ads on how harmful Romney’s positions were and he believed his own ads.
Battleground Poll has independents going for Romney big time. Before the debates the Dems had started celebrating their inevitable victory. Romney now has the tail wind!
Linda
October 8th, 2012
6:14 pm
Speaking of the Princess & continuing with my movie analysis, there’s a job opening at a broom factory for a test pilot. Ding-Dong!
Speaking of the King & continuing with my move analysis, there’s a job opening at a Vegas casino for a flying monkey. Dong-Dang!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
6:17 pm
Odd Owl
Romney reverse his positions on nearly every issue.. Romney is on both sides of all issues…
Name one, I didn’t see any reversals. Obama has spent four years changing his mind on Gitmo closing, on extending the tax cuts, on Gay Marriage, on reducing the deficit by half… on…..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
6:21 pm
Remember, Rafe, people like ODD OWL, AmVet and MarkV believe the Obama and mainstream media version of Romney because it fits their world-view. They can’t be bothered to investigate the facts behind an opposing candidate because they then would have no reason to blindly vote for their chosen ones.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
6:29 pm
You are right, Tiberius, Obama always uses a straw man as the basis for his arguments. He builds this straw man with the positions and characteristics that he can verbally defeat. He had crafted a wonderful, Romney strawman/bogie man that the media and the Obamabots latched onto. I think the politicos call this defining your opponent, but Romney didn’t play along. Romney, as I said, just did not follow the script Obama had laid out for him. Barry was clueless and did not know what to say, because the script had changed.
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
6:31 pm
William the crier, I do not engage Tibby the whiner. I make NO posts either directed at him or that even reference him. As was the case today. The man simply cannot help himself; he is drawn to me like a moth to a flame.
So as always the laugh is on him and you; that you two are so utterly obsessed with my useless opinions. Talk about knee-jerk! One can just picture him reading my name and instantly and maniacally pounding out some unprovoked insult.
Hysterical…
ld
October 8th, 2012
6:36 pm
Kyle (and other Republicans): as you savor the new polls, thought you’d like to hear another great “Republican” idea:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-death-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html?show_comment_id=194350469#comment_194350469
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
6:46 pm
“William the crier, I do not engage Tibby the whiner. I make NO posts either directed at him or that even reference him. As was the case today. The man simply cannot help himself; he is drawn to me like a moth to a flame.”
People acting like fools attract the attention of others – why do you think people watch shows like Jerry Springer? Similarly, when you make inane and vapid assertions and run away when you are challenged factually by (in this instance, Kyle), you appear the fool. And no one likes to suffer fools.
kelley Thomas
October 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
Did your delayed CNN coverage also send over the best summation of all, so aptly tweeted by Dennis Miller: “I hope Obamacare covers ass kicking.” I don’t know where you and your dad were in the world, but not to see this as the content-packed, step-by-step planning and thinking advancement by Romney (finally!)…you guys must have been jet lagged. Welcome home.
splavistic
October 8th, 2012
6:59 pm
Unfortunately, for the gop, it still doesn’t matter. Obama leads by a wiiiiiiide margin in the betting circles (they ain’t takin’ chances, here!) AND the all electoral college polls (10,000 simulations run each night give Obama a 78% chance of winning).
So, enjoy the “coverage”, but the media is just duping both sides into tuning into what is already a given. Obama will have a second term.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 8th, 2012
7:01 pm
Two weeks off and Wingnut misses the entire point in his first blog post.
All Romney had to do was appear to be a normal, well adjusted decent human being while letting obozo doodle on his note pad and regurgitate the most worn out, inane moonbat talking points he could remember, on cue.
Uh, this game is ova.
And it only took 60 some odd posts for Jamvet to descend back into the hysterical name calling that he’ll be criticizing others for later this evening.
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
7:08 pm
Jeez, crier, at least let Tibby fight his own fights.
Are you his weird protective uncle Ernie or something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x51jI2RHCrM
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
7:09 pm
AmVet: “I make NO posts either directed at him or that even reference him.”
And yet, you’ve made two already today that have referenced me.
What a maroon!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
7:10 pm
Ooops! Make that three . . .
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
7:20 pm
YOU are the one who made the unprovoked insult. Before that I made NO posts directed at you or that even referenced you.
Though you do it exceedingly well…don’t play stupid.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
7:26 pm
Three references AND a post made back to me, AmVet.
Was this: “I make NO posts either directed at him or that even reference him.” a lie, or an error?
C’mon, big boy, answer my earlier question. Tell us how wrong you were in your predictions for the 2010 elections and special elections, and then make your case as to why we should pay any attention to your predictions in 2012.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
7:32 pm
td@5:50, I didn’t say WHERE I was planning to wear my red high heels. Might not be on my feet.
Haven’t been able to see the numbers on my favorite watch for years, but still wear it so people know I can tell time & think I can see without any problems.
catlady
October 8th, 2012
7:32 pm
We should all be very, very frightened.
td
October 8th, 2012
7:33 pm
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
7:20 pm
Are you working on that concession speech or are you going to be a coward and not make it?
td
October 8th, 2012
7:34 pm
Linda
October 8th, 2012
7:32 pm
You go Linda:-) Keep up the good work.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
7:36 pm
“We should all be very, very frightened.”
Correct. We SHOULD be frightened that Obama might get re-elected.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
7:37 pm
Suggestion for name of Kyle’s first published book: Arguing with Liberals: How I Got High Blood Pressure, Atrial Fibrillation & Corns.
Del
October 8th, 2012
7:39 pm
ODD OWL, Quit crying and try to be a man or a woman of backbone.
Del
October 8th, 2012
7:43 pm
There appears to be a few cases of megalomania who’ve infiltrated Kyles blog.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
7:46 pm
Frightened Obama would be re-elected? My husband & I are so assured that Romney will be elected that we are already boarding up our windows. It will be frightening, no matter who is elected.
What’s the most frightening is if Obama is re-elected & allows Iran to get nuclear weapons & carries out it’s threat to the US. Thank God we don’t live in the NE US.
Gravy Train
October 8th, 2012
7:50 pm
A fresh bottle of Schnapps and away she goes…LOL, always the same small group of old, white xenophobes. And then there is the old, white, troglodyte, Log Cabin Republican, magic underwear cult member. LOL And they wonder why their membership continues to dwindle?
Gravy Train
October 8th, 2012
7:55 pm
Eventually, Willard is going to have to explain the vast differences in his views to the American people on national television. Is he Crazy Cult Priest Willard, NE Liberal Willard, Tea Party Willard, Plutocrat dance on the backs of the poor Willard, or Super Action False Bravado Willard? How many times did he dodge the draft? How many of his sons will be fighting his wars?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
7:57 pm
Ah, the religious bigot is back. Good thing the libraries stay open late on weeknights.
td
October 8th, 2012
8:04 pm
“The professional core of the U.S. military overwhelmingly favors Mitt Romney over President Obama in the upcoming election — but not because of any particular military issues, according to a new poll of more than 3,100 active and reserve troops.
Respondents rated the economy and the candidates’ character as their most important considerations and all but ignored the war in Afghanistan as an issue of concern.
…Almost 80 percent of respondents have a college degree — including 27 percent with a graduate degree and more than 11 percent with a post-graduate degree — while an additional 18.5 percent have some college under their belts.
And they are battle-hardened; almost 29 percent have spent more than two cumulative years deployed since 9/11, while a similar percentage has spent one to two cumulative years deployed.
…Poll results indicate that about 66 percent of those surveyed support Romney, compared with about 26 percent who say they will vote to re-elect President Obama.
When asked about the most important issue guiding their vote this year, about 66 percent of respondents cited either “the economy” or “the character of the candidate.” Less than 16 percent of troops surveyed cited “national security.”
And the war in Afghanistan is barely a blip on the radar: Just more than 1 percent put that conflict at the top of their list of concerns. That’s in stark contrast to troops’ feelings about the war in Iraq in the Military Times 2008 election poll, when 16 percent cited that conflict as their top concern.
Pocketbook issues
“When I talk to my soldiers, it’s not social issues. It’s almost not even military issues. What it comes down to is pocketbook issues,” said one 28-year-old Army captain who took the survey in late September. “They currently see Mitt Romney as being stronger for their pocketbook.”
http://militarytimes.com/news/2012/10/military-times-poll-romney-bests-obama-2-1-100712/
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:06 pm
Gravy Train
Is Barry the Black Preacher we saw in the 2007 Hampton Univ address, or the “first post racial President”, or the Narcoleptic Non combative stick in the mud we saw on 3 Oct, the middleclass’ last great hope, or the Wallstreet lackey?
Del
October 8th, 2012
8:11 pm
Linda, I think any sleeper cell attack would focus targets in the Southern U.S. and Mid-West. Because we’re spread thin and the expected targets are large population centers in the N.E. and coastal West. I would like for an administration to announce that any WMD attack on the United States or its protected territory’s would be met with nuclear retaliation and annihilation on any known state hostile to the U.S. Make that our succeeding M.A.D. doctrine for the times we live in now.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:11 pm
td
The results you cite will just motivate the Chicago political machine to double down on the Dims every four year assault on the military vote. They will go to no end to not count their ballots.
I think active duty military personnel votes should be counted by 5’s, to reward them for putting their lives on the line and to make reparations for those military personal not able to vote, because of duty of death in combat.
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
8:13 pm
Concession speech, td?
Jeez son, at least quit Joe Bidening me and come up with your own shtick. (Maybe Dennis Miller, the world’s worst comedian can help you out!)
And yes, I am working on what kind of popcorn I’m going to eat while you are eating Romney crow Tuesday night, November 6. Yummy!
A thousand word essay on your part will be sufficient. (And I do not grade on a curve!)
PROUD NAVY VET
October 8th, 2012
8:14 pm
Fred, don’t think you got away with one. Gov. Romney hadf a great night, for sure. He really moved th the center. Nothing like he has been saying for the past year. Admit it or not there were some serious 180’s done. As for his speech today, who would want to arm the rebels? You have no idea who the bad guys are and who the good guys are. The weapons the Gov. wantds to give them will be used on us and or our allies. Serious lack of thought went into that one.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:14 pm
because of duty or death in combat.
The dead vote in Chicago, why not in the military, at least they earned the right to have their voices heard beyond the grave.
td
October 8th, 2012
8:15 pm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:11 pm
Amen to them counting more.
Del
October 8th, 2012
8:15 pm
Ah yes the candy azzed ball less name changer from the far-left blog is trolling over here again. What a pathetic waste.
Jeff
October 8th, 2012
8:16 pm
Fred, Biden is a fiesty old tome politician and does not mind bending the truth but in a debate watch out. Other wise, One day I hope to meet you and kick you in the shin…
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:18 pm
Nothing like he has been saying for the past year. Admit it or not there were some serious 180’s done.
Proud Navy Vet
Not a true statement, just a talking point. Name one of the 180’s. You didn’t know anything about what Romney was for before the debate, except what you heard the Dims say he was for. You believed all the Dem talking points and the Obama character assaults. I have been following him since before Iowa, he has not changed one position.
Gravy Train
October 8th, 2012
8:26 pm
No, I listened to what Willard said before the debate. He would gauge the crowd and open his mouth. Obama didn’t make him say what he says. Even Newt pointed out Willard’s aversion from the truth and his shady business practices. That would be followed by back tracking for the next couple of days. Very much like how Willard is spending his time after the debate trying to distance himself from his 47% comments. So, was he lying then or now? I can tell you exactly when Willard is lying. If his lips are moving, he is lying.
Del
October 8th, 2012
8:31 pm
The ignorant along with the far-tools have accepted this desperate Obama campaign mantra that Romney’s a “liar” but they’re in the minority and most of them know it and fear it accept for a few.
Del
October 8th, 2012
8:32 pm
OOP’s far-left tools.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
8:33 pm
I can tell you exactly when Gravy Train isn’t thinking – it’s when he’s typing on a keyboard.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:34 pm
Del
I have noticed that none of them want to point out what Romney is lying about. Guess they don’t want their talking point destroyed.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
8:35 pm
“Admit it or not there were some serious 180’s done.”
Really, Navy Vet?
Name 3 with actual proof, rather than what an Obama supporter claimed Romney said or did.
Del
October 8th, 2012
8:38 pm
Rafe, isn’t it amazing that the lie allegations have been proven mostly false yet the left continues with this desperate charade.
Patty
October 8th, 2012
8:41 pm
Gravy Train, all I read when you blog is bah, bah, bah. Calling people names isn’t going to change anyone’s mind especially when all anyone has to do is check the facts on the internet.
My oldest daughter has decided not to vote this year which means Mr. Obama will lose at least one vote this year. Her reasoning–she’s too busy working extra shifts trying to survive.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:42 pm
The BIG LIE that was floated for weeks and weeks was that Romney was going to raise taxes on the middle class by $2000. This was made up of whole cloth by the Obamabots. Romney shot that down the first 90 seconds and Barry never challenged him on it. He said he was not going to raise taxes on anyone, unlike Obama.
td
October 8th, 2012
8:46 pm
Del
October 8th, 2012
8:38 pm
Rafe, isn’t it amazing that the lie allegations have been proven mostly false yet the left continues with this desperate charade.
Kind of like the Princeton Professor that came out today and said Obama was misrepresenting (lying) his study about Romney’s tax cuts.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
8:46 pm
Del@8:11, After an WMD attack on the US, we can meet it “with nuclear retaliation & annihilation?” Yeah, right. After we’re dead?
The Obama adm. refused to impose sanctions on Iran for years. The sanctions currently in place against Iran were insisted on by congress, with the Obama adm. kicking & screaming. The Obama adm. has given upteen waivers to countries to counteract the sanctions.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/14/us-usa-iran-sanctions-idUSBRE88D1KH20120914
We are as good as dead if Obama is re-elected.
Del
October 8th, 2012
8:46 pm
“Barry never challenged him on it. He said he was not going to raise taxes on anyone, unlike Obama.”
The Obummer didn’t challenge Romney face to face but he’s doing so now safely away from the debate. Talk about lack of character…geez
Thulsa Doom
October 8th, 2012
8:50 pm
Del,
Your first mistake was mentioning Obama and the word character in the same post.
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
8:50 pm
We are as good as dead if Obama is re-elected.
Prepare the fainting couch!!! The drama queen is gonna swoon!!!
(And tell that to Osama bin Laden. LOL!)
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 8th, 2012
8:52 pm
Del,
He just couldn’t challenge Mitt at the debate because Jim Lehrer was so mean, you know.
Obama was born with an excuse and blame on his lips. As soon as he could speak, he told his mother, “its all your fault”.
iggy
October 8th, 2012
8:53 pm
Ryan is gonna smash Biden. Its gonna be a Grand Spanking for the VIP.
Thulsa Doom
October 8th, 2012
9:00 pm
“Ryan is gonna smash Biden. Its gonna be a Grand Spanking for the VIP.”
Depends on how you look at it. In comedic terms Joe Gaffe Biden wins hands down. I mean seriously. Is there anyone that says as much funny stuff without even trying to sound funny? I laugh in expectation of laughing at whatever is going to come out of his mouth next.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 8th, 2012
9:02 pm
o’biden gonna look like he got hit by a freight train and then the second question of the debate will be asked, and well, farewell ole joe.
jtom
October 8th, 2012
9:10 pm
There is no reason to debate who lies.
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”
“I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year….”
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration.”
“I’ll close Guantanamo.”
“I’ll resign if I don’t cut the deficit in half by the end of four years.”
“I’ll unite the people of this great country.”
“I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman.”
Now, what were some of you saying about President-about-to-be-elected Romney?
Reasonable man
October 8th, 2012
9:15 pm
Which Romney am I supposed to support? The one who’s for Romneycare or the one who’s against Obamacare? The one who wants to double down on the war in Afghanistan, the one who wants to pull out, or the new one who wants to listen to what the generals tell him and decide later? The one who supports a woman’s right to choose, or the one who believes that a fertilized egg deserves personhood? The one who wants to cut taxes or the one who wants to do away with deductions, such as the mortgage interest deductions? The one who wants to cut Federal spending or the one who thinks we need to increase military spending? All these Romneys have good hair and straight teeth, but that’s about the only common factor I can find.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
9:17 pm
Osama bin Ladan Is Dead & GM is Alive!
After the DNC was wrapping up, the Dems. were marking down the prices of their bumper stickers & other junk that didn’t sell, when, low & behold, they started getting calls from all over the Middle East & N. Africa with orders for their wares, especially those bumper stickers, with specific requests that they be shipped for arrival before 9/11/12.
What a sight that our embassies were targeted & burned on 9/11 & our ambassador & 3 others were murdered & others were injured by terrorists who had stickers from the DNC stuck on their weapons that read “Osama bin Laden Is Dead & GM is Alive!”
Terrorists think GM is Government Media, which it is.
Just imagine what will happen in the Middle East & N. Africa when the Obama Adm.-helped movie premiers on his (permission) killing of OBL!
Reasonable man
October 8th, 2012
9:20 pm
Linda, your tinfoil hat needs a tiny bit of adjusting.
Cherokee
October 8th, 2012
9:45 pm
“in which Paul Ryan is widely expected to have his way with the malapropism-prone Joe Biden ”
Only in the vast right wing fever swamp….
td
October 8th, 2012
9:50 pm
Not in this Conservatives mind. Bidden killed both Obama and Clinton in 2008 in every debate they had. Bidden is very experienced and will come out as an attack dog. I am hoping he will be so rabid that the foam will be flowing out of his mouth and someone will have to put him down.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
9:53 pm
The Romney to support is the only Romney , the one who:
* believes that it is the states, not the fed. govt., that have the right to implement health care insurance,
* will consult with the generals & defense dept. heads who know how & when to pull out of a war, rather than basing decisions on a purely political strategy,
* the one who believes that the Declaration Of Independence protects the rights of Life, etc. vs. Obama who advocated & voted 3 times in the Ill. Senate against having a second doctor on call in the event an aborted child actually survived,
* the one who wants to cut taxes & downsize the fed. govt. or Obama who has implemented the largest tax increase via Obamacare in the history of the US,
* the one who proposes not just to cut fed. spending but to increase revenues by growing the number of employed taxpayers & therefore, the GDP.
Thulsa Doom
October 8th, 2012
10:02 pm
td,
I saw Biden debate Palin in 08 and while Palin sucked Biden wasn’t any better. He said thing after thing that simply wasn’t true. The guy was pretty fast and loose with the facts. He wouldn’t know a fact if it jumped up and bit him in the butt.
td
October 8th, 2012
10:12 pm
Thulsa Doom
October 8th, 2012
10:02 pm
And he will do the same Thursday night with more zeal and the LSM will not say one word about his facts and just declare him the (big time) winner.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
10:16 pm
I’ve told my husband that Biden seems to have practiced his previous speeches in front of the mirror. All of his speeches have been given in front of the Dem. minions, squealing for more stuff & satisfied they will get exactly that.
The largest mirrors are usually in the bathroom. What happens when Biden gets to the debate & there’s no minions as well as no mirrors, no sinks, no faucets, no soap, no towels, no wifey stuff laying around on mirrored trays?
Ryan has a closed-mouth smile that is all-knowing.
All Biden has to do is talk for the entire 60 or 90-minute debate. Ryan needs to say nothing, just smile. Then it will be over & out.
Hope Biden at least knows what state he is in. Bless his heart.
MarkV
October 8th, 2012
10:21 pm
Dusty @ 5:10 pm: “MarkV…..Romney did NOT lie in the debate. Take that back!!”
Sorry, Dusty. I will not, Romney lied. You may argue that many of the statements were “half-truths” or misleading statement s(and there were many of those) that cannot be called literally lies. However, when a candidate spends so much time preparing his arguments for a debate, it is not believable that something he said he did not mean exactly what and how he said it. For instance, when Romney said
“I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business,”
and the actual fact is that three out of the 26 recipients of the loan guarantees have filed for bankruptcy, do the words “I think” make it something different than a lie?
But let’s take an example where not even the “I think” was used:
“The president’s put it in place as much public debt — almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.”
When Obama took office, the accumulated public debt was over $10 trillion. Now the debt is over $16 trillion. Tell me, Dusty, is the difference between 16 and 10 equal almost 10 in your math?
Romney: “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year.”
False.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/04/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-20-million-will-lose-health-insur/
Romney about Obamacare: “[I]t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.
A bald-face lie.
td
October 8th, 2012
10:41 pm
“The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 – 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 – 45 lead. That’s a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama’s performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.
Romney’s favorables are above Obama’s now. Yes, you read that right. Romney’s favorables are higher than Obama’s right now. That gender gap that was Obama’s firewall? Over in one night:”
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html
Gravy Train
October 8th, 2012
10:46 pm
Willard got lucky. President Obama was trying not to be the aggressor. Now that Willard has fired his blanks, President Obama is within his place to fight back. Boy Blunder Ryan is an Ayn Rand ditto-head and he’s going to have to explain why he cries about the stimulus package when he also lobbied for his own share of it then. He’s going to have to explain how vouchers are beneficial to those who will be retiring soon. See, real math doesn’t work with vouchers unless the insurance companies policy rates are regulated. Seeing as how it’s the insurance companies lobbying the hardest for vouchers, plus Willard’s distaste of regulation, that would equal a system where people continue to live at the mercy of health insurance corporations. Wacko Cult Priest Plutocrat with False Bravado Willard has done his star turn. Obama will bring the hammer. In the privacy of the booth, people will consider Willard’s shady finances, cult leadership, phony personality and flip-flopping. They will know that no matter how bad Willard tries to make it sound, America is a much better country today than it was in 2008.
Reality
October 8th, 2012
10:47 pm
If you read the actual scripts from the debate, Romney didn’t do so hot. Romney lied often and/or at least stretched the truth. Obama’s message was the same.
The difference was the delivery.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
October 8th, 2012
10:56 pm
How funny is it that the dummycrats are counting on osama bin biden to undo the annihilation that Romney hung around obozo’s neck?
Has o’biden become the clean and articulate One?
Will goofy joe be the savior of the white trash?
Does it get any better than this?
I sure hope not.
td
October 8th, 2012
11:02 pm
Reality
October 8th, 2012
10:47 pm
Lied about what? Even the Princeton Professor told Obama today to stop using his study because it supports Romney.
Linda
October 8th, 2012
11:12 pm
Isn’t it funny that the minions have only been able to muster one-liners, that is, an average of one complete sentence, maybe, over on the cult blog, for the last couple of years, but now, they are over on the conservative Kyle blog, and are able to muster 3 & 4 inch comments, without any meaning? Appears like desperation to me. My goodness.
Reasonable man
October 8th, 2012
11:12 pm
Well, Linda, the Romney you describe is the Tea Party Romney that you support. You can only have that Romney if his monied investors allow it. I know they’ll go along with letting companies increase pollution emissions and cutting taxes for the uber-rich. They’ll also want to get us into some new wars, as wars are very profitable. As for the rest of your agenda, maybe he’ll get around to it.
ODD OWL
October 8th, 2012
11:12 pm
Romney/Ryan are hypothetical hypocrites… First class liars… Absolutely no credibility, no integrity and no plan… Its all about raw power with them… Romney/Ryan lacks judgement and character… Both of them of shameless baldface liars… You Republicans are hell bent on destroying America, aren’t you ??? There is a video of Herr paul Von Broun going straight up Taliban on us… A total Religious fanatic… Paul Broun must be replaced…
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
11:19 pm
“Isn’t it funny that the minions have only been able to muster one-liners, that is, an average of one complete sentence, maybe, over on the cult blog, for the last couple of years, but now, they are over on the conservative Kyle blog, and are able to muster 3 & 4 inch comments, without any meaning?”
Sometimes, less is more
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
11:20 pm
“Willard got lucky.”
ROFL.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
11:28 pm
I see that Mr. Wordsmith is back picking apart each and every line Mitt Romney said, and more importantly, ascribing intent behind Romney’s words with (once again) no proof whatsoever.
Amazing how these people who never met the guy and have no clue about their preparation know so much about what they intended to say and do.
Once again, the lofty goals of perfection these liberals put on any candidate for office other than their chosen one is simply unattainable, but gives them their excuse for not voting for the other guy, not matter how failed their guy is, or how much better the other guy is.
ODD OWL
October 8th, 2012
11:31 pm
Towncrier 11:20… All style, no substance… If Romney somehow became President, he would start wars with all of America’s allies within three months… The only thing in the world more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance… (Albert Einstein) Einstein assigned this epithet to Adolf Hitler… I’m assigning it to Romney/Ryan…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
11:31 pm
” I know they’ll go along with letting companies increase pollution emissions ”
Yeah, ’cause polluting the air we breathe is such a great thing to run on for re-election, “reasonable man”.
If only you could appreciate the ridiculousness of your statements as those of us with working brains do.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 8th, 2012
11:34 pm
“If Romney somehow became President, he would start wars with all of America’s allies within three months”
My last line to “reasonable man” applies to you as well, ODD OWL, for the above statement.
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
11:38 pm
“I see that Mr. Wordsmith is back picking apart each and every line Mitt Romney said, and more importantly, ascribing intent behind Romney’s words with (once again) no proof whatsoever.”
I am just wondering what will happen when those who so vehemently call Romney a liar are found out to be themselves liars. Talk about your unintended consequences…
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
11:44 pm
“If Romney somehow became President, he would start wars with all of America’s allies within three months.”
Oh..okay. Quick, let’s get this late breaking “charge” out to the Washington Post. Wait…no, they probably wouldn’t publish it. So let’s send it to the Huffington Post…wait…no, they probably wouldn’t publish it either. Media Matters? The Daily KOS? No? But it sounds SO true!!! Won’t anyone believe Romney is the next Hitler besides an odd owl?
MarkV
October 8th, 2012
11:49 pm
Amazing how some people write inanities when they are unable to counter arguments and evidence.
td
October 8th, 2012
11:53 pm
Just how low will Obama go to win this race. It appears he lied about his own wedding anniversary. Click on the date and look at the wedding announcement.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-new_michelle018t20080606095724,0,73482.photo
Towncrier
October 8th, 2012
11:55 pm
“Amazing how some people write inanities when they are unable to counter arguments and evidence.”
[The poster writes as he glances away from the mirror].
Linda
October 9th, 2012
12:02 am
Reasonable@11:12, The only good thing that came out of the Dems. & Obama’s Economic Stimulus bill in 2/09, the largest spending bill in the history of the world, was the Tea Party.
Anyone who has a blind trust, which is every member of congress, has potentially an account off-shore.
Remember 5th grade science? Remember photosynthesis? We breath in oxygen & emit carbon dioxide. Plants take in carbon dioxide & emit oxygen.
Carbon dioxide is a good, clean, rare,scarce, non-toxic, colorless, orderless. pure, natural gas. Without it & without enough of it, we all die.
It is not a pollutant of air. It IS air.
We were warned that the globe was cooling in the ’70s, that it was warming in the ’90s & that it was miscellaneously climate changing in the ’00s. They were/are all hoaxes.
Only idiots believe that the US won’t be dragged into a confrontation with Iran, regardless of who is elected president. History has a way of repeating itself.
Linda
October 9th, 2012
12:44 am
td@11:53, Yes, Obama lied about his wedding anniversary at the onset of the debate to try to gain a hand. He’s also lied about at least 100,000 other dates, events, promises, etc. to gain a hand. It doesn’t matter. If he shot Romney in the heart during a debate, Obama’s minions would still defend him, because they are getting his free stuff.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
6:50 am
Amazing how Mr. Wordsmith’s “evidence” is actually “opinion”.
iggy
October 9th, 2012
7:12 am
td
October 8th, 2012
10:41 pm
Nice article. Seems the shark is eating it own guts.
JDW
October 9th, 2012
7:43 am
@Tiberius…”They came in ready to debate the Romney they had created in their minds, not the real Romney”
You know the “real Romney”? WOW you are tied in! Maybe you could help us out…
-Is it the one that was for abortion or against
-The one the believes the 47% comment was “inelegant” or the one that says it was “completely wrong”
-Is it the one that says his plan covers pre-existing conditions or the one that wrote the plan that does not change current law
-Is it the one that wants to repeal ObamaCare or the one that wants to keep the popular parts
-The one that supports stem cell research or the one that doesn’t
-Maybe the one that wants to protect Medicare or could it be the one that wants to voucher it
-Could it be the one that wants to index the minimum wage to inflation or the one that thinks minimum wage is a “job killer”
-The one that says “mandates work” or the one that says they are unconstitutional
Please do enlighten us.
As for the debate it was a listless performance by the President and Romney told a bad story well. As people hear the truth and more debates unfold I think that we will be right back where we started 332 to 206.
Lastly Biden will do just fine.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
8:05 am
Soledad smacks down a Romney aid after his lie-filled foreign policy speech:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/soledad-obrien-grills-romney-adviser-over-completely-contradictory-foreign-policy/
jconservative
October 9th, 2012
8:07 am
And Romney won because he moved to the center. We now have clarity on the Romney position on taxes that had been rather murky for the last few months.
From the transcript of the debate:
“…it’s going to take a different path. Not the one we’ve been on, not the one the president describes as a top-down, cut taxes for the rich. That’s not what I’m going to do.”
“First of all, I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about. My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people. High-income people are doing just fine in this economy. They’ll do fine whether you’re president or I am.”
“But in order for us not to lose revenue, have the government run out of money, I also lower deductions and credits and exemptions, so that we keep taking in the same money when you also account for growth.”
“And finally, with regards to that tax cut, look, I’m not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the — the revenues going to the government. My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
8:10 am
Romney stated in his Florida secret taping that peace with Palentine was not an option. Yesterday he said he would work for a “democratic, prosperous Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the Jewish state…”
iggy
October 9th, 2012
8:14 am
Soledad O’Brien…LOL…another paper tiger.
gm
October 9th, 2012
8:15 am
When will the hypocrites like Linda and the rep party return all the free pell grants, ssi, va, checks, medicaid, stimulus money the state received from the gov.
The rep party are like a buffet they like to chose things that get from gov, if elected Mtt will give their sons and daughter a chance to die in the wars he wants to start while his sons take vacations, no party can be filed with this kinda hate and stupidity.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
8:15 am
Romney’s Most Dishonest Speech Yet
To the extent that Romney recited valid criticisms of Obama’s policies, he offered no alternatives. To the extent he spelled out specific steps he would take to deal with one problem or another, he merely recited actions that Obama has already taken.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/10/mitt_romney_foreign_policy_speech_at_the_virginia_military_institute_was_the_most_dishonest_one_he_has_delivered_yet_.html
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 9th, 2012
8:20 am
Finn and JDW omit comments and parse speeches with the best of them. Good thing for America, they got to see and hear the real Romney, not the caricature the Obama campaign and their slobbering media minions have tried to create.
Thanks for confirming my earlier analysis, guys.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 9th, 2012
8:23 am
When will buffoons like GM stop posting nonsense about giving back benefits we paid for in taxes that were taken from us by force?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
8:24 am
Romney neglected to note that his own budget plan calls for adding $2 trillion to military spending over the next 10 years. He may have sidestepped this fact—even though it might have appealed to his audience of cadets at the Virginia Military Institute—because, time and again, he has declined to specify how he will pay such a whopping bill. Nor has he specified why such increases are necessary: for what contingencies, against what enemies.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/10/mitt_romney_foreign_policy_speech_at_the_virginia_military_institute_was_the_most_dishonest_one_he_has_delivered_yet_.2.html
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 9th, 2012
8:25 am
Of course, GM would actually have to earn a paycheck to see that which is taken from the rest of us.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 9th, 2012
8:27 am
Ahhh, slate.com. . . The definitive resource for biased coverage against conservative positions.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
8:28 am
Why can’t Romney go into details on anything? Are his ideas so DISTASTEFUL to American voters that he fears he won’t win if he explains them?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
October 9th, 2012
8:37 am
Maybe because,as he said in the debate, that his style is not to dictate terms to the legislative branch, but get ideas and work WITH them, unlike Obama Reid and Pelosi.
JDW
October 9th, 2012
8:39 am
@jconservative…”And Romney won because he moved to the center. ”
Romney won because he APPEARED to move to the center. I think he is lying and there is 18 months worth of campaign drivel that stand in direct opposition to his positions of last week.
As for the taxes bit…he can blow smoke all he wants but facts are facts….
IT IS A 5 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX CUT…20% reduction in rates equals 5 trillion its just math.
Now the question is how to pay for it…he claims he can do by reducing deductions and keeping it revenue neutral. Problem is that scenario depends on a 3%+ GDP growth rate. Someone needs to explain how a revenue neutral tax cut grows GDP 3%.
Last time I checked growth came from putting money into peoples hands that is spent, spending money from the government level or the Reagan model of doing both at the same time.
That’s why the ONLY creditable study on the subjects says it doesn’t work.
Bottom line is that Romney feinted to the center and some people bought it however yesterdays numbers, even including the Pew poll indicate that bounce is fading fast.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/oct-8-a-great-poll-for-romney-in-perspective/
JDW
October 9th, 2012
8:45 am
@Tiberius…”JDW omit comments and parse speeches ”
While I did not “parse” I did most certainly omit. There are far far more examples of Romeny flip flops and lies that I did not mention.
Here are just a few more…again I do admit to the sin of omission…there are lots more
“Prevarication, falsification, fabrication are all familiar tactics that have been employed by Mitt Romney without much consequence to him ever since he entered public life”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/09/highly_debatable_the_big_liars_biggest_lies_115719.html
killerj
October 9th, 2012
8:46 am
Hope them pot stickers stuck well,missed a good one kyle,this guy reminds me of governor in chicago,seems to me when no one,s standing behind him to tell him what to do,what a puppet.Go Tea Party.
MarkV
October 9th, 2012
8:56 am
Amazing how some people write inanities when they are unable to counter arguments and evidence.
Example: Towncrier, October 8th, 2012 @ 11:55 pm
carlosgvv
October 9th, 2012
9:18 am
I thought this campaign was supposed to be about substance. When did acting and style take over as main reasons to vote for a candidate?
td
October 9th, 2012
9:19 am
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
8:24 am
Pretty easy. You kill Obamacare and there is your $2 trillion over 10 years for the military. No brainier there. Now if you cut Medicaid and Food stamps by the amount Obama has raised it during his term then you save another $2 plus trillion over 10 years.
td
October 9th, 2012
9:21 am
carlosgvv
October 9th, 2012
9:18 am
Besides adding $80 billion on increasing taxes on the rich, can you explain details of what Obama is going to do in another term?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
9:27 am
You kill Obamacare and there is your $2 trillion over 10 years for the military
Well, I guess it really is a no-brainer. It will now cost more to dismantle what has already been put into place to support Obamacare that it will cost to let it run its course.
gm
October 9th, 2012
9:38 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right
So the 47% that Romney talked about did not pay any taxes, state, local,? you right nut jobs are hypocritres.
Obama will beat Mitt of the primary and Mitt of of the general next time, he will expose the liar that he is
carlosgvv
October 9th, 2012
9:41 am
td – 9:21
That is not what I asked.
iggy
October 9th, 2012
9:44 am
“Well, I guess it really is a no-brainer. It will now cost more to dismantle what has already been put into place to support Obamacare that it will cost to let it run its course.”
LOL…IF thats true then tossing good money after bad is the way to go…LOL
Good one.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
9:45 am
Interesting read:
The “housing has hit bottom” trope is the biggest bunch of public relations horse__ since WMD.
http://www.alternet.org/economy/housing-market-hype-are-we-really-expected-believe-prices-will-rise-high-unemployment
td
October 9th, 2012
9:46 am
gm
October 9th, 2012
9:38 am
“Obama will beat Mitt of the primary and Mitt of of the general next time, he will expose the liar that he is”
Can not be done because the next debate is a town hall format and if he goes on the attack in that format he will look like an idiot for not answering citizens questions. Face it, Romney wanted it more and went after him and won in the only format that allowed him to do it. Both candidates have to be positive in this next debate and the last one is all about foreign policy.
Grob Hahn
October 9th, 2012
10:15 am
I’m always amused when leftists start their “it’s all over for XXXX now” as if walking away from a game in the 4th quarter. As we saw in 2010 they end up waking to news that they were totally wrong. And we don’t hear from them for a while.
Grobbbbbbbbbb
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
10:20 am
I suppose I should be grateful I know the details on what Romney intends to do regarding PBS.
Which costs US citizens $1.35 a year.
MarkV
October 9th, 2012
10:24 am
jtom @ 9:10 pm: “There is no reason to debate who lies.”
Do you have any comprehension of the meaning of the words “ lie” and “lying?”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
10:37 am
Romney can’t face the kids, either:
Mitt Romney declined several times to take questions from kids in a Nickelodeon special called “Kids Pick the President: The Candidates,” according to the network. President Obama, who participated in the special took questions about gun control, immigration, bullying and more.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/09/romney_snubs_nickelodeon/
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 9th, 2012
10:39 am
The side that voted for a Presidential candidate whose only plan was “Hope and Change”, now insists that a future candidate be “more specific about his plans”. Here is the plan, we HOPE folks face reality and see what an abysmal failure and empty suit we elected, and vote to CHANGE things for the better.
Romney’s tax plan will grow the economy by getting business engaged again. When they realize that they can keep more of their profit, there will be some incentive to grow and use the money they are sitting on. A growing economy will generate much more revenue. There are so many sources for revenue available to make up any loss of income tax revenue in Romney’s plan, if needed. As some one above noted, repealing Obamacare will bring in about 2 T, increase of oil drilling leases on Federal land, bringing on the Keystone Pipeline, reestablishing Clean Coal industry, eliminating the failed “green energy” initiatives, closing useless and outdated Federal agencies, consolidating others, turning some programs back to the states where they belong, bringing down gas prices, etc.
When we get a businessman that is actually used to dealing with a budget, things will improve quickly.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
October 9th, 2012
10:47 am
Finn
Check out how prosperous the company that produces Sesame Street is, they are worth Billions. They can afford to put the Big Bird on non government subsidized TV. If the program is as successful as the Dems claim it is, I’m sure the alphabet networks would be willing to bid on airing it. I will not be giving my $1.35 voluntarily to some billionaire corporation to fund Sesame Street.
Add that $1.35 to what I am forced to pay to fund Sandra Fluke’s free birth control pills and condoms and you are talking real money, enough for a Chick-fil-a Sandwich.
Del
October 9th, 2012
10:58 am
There’s panic in Libville.
Hillbilly D
October 9th, 2012
11:05 am
When did acting and style take over as main reasons to vote for a candidate?
Probably when the first election was ever held.
Which costs US citizens $1.35 a year.
Granted it’s small in the grand scheme of things but you have to start somewhere and it’s not a legitimate function of government, in my opinion. If they stopped funding PBS, they’ll become another network, complete with commercials (which they basically have anyway if you listen to those bits at the end of the shows), and they’ll survive just fine. Big Bird will keep right on going. When I was coming up, we didn’t have Big Bird; somehow I survived.
Georgia
October 9th, 2012
11:06 am
Romney was like a Jack-in-the-Box who popped up and exclaimed, “I can fix that!” He was overly animated; ignoring history and proposing the already-tried-and-failed.
Romney’s foreign policy attack yesterday was similarly filled with naive solutions that are oblivious to the realities of the Middle East.
Georgia
October 9th, 2012
11:11 am
I just returned from a two week trip to The Little Bighorn Battlefield. I listened to talk radio the whole time, from state to state. I actually heard a GOP RushPuppy say, “I hope the economy fails so that Obama wont be reelected.” This guy then opened the phone lines and the comments were recalcitrantly favorable, like they were holding their noses and swallowing castor oil. The GOP would bring the temple down around our heads to avert four more years.
I hope the watchdogs are out in force on election day cause I already smell a rat.
kevin
October 9th, 2012
11:17 am
Like many of us who watch the first presidential debate it has not changed anything I did not know. It do not matter who won or lost; I was not looking at the debate to see who would win. What was most interesting to me was the plan Mitt had for America. Nothing…………so I came away with the facts that he can do no more than the current President. The media may say this or that, but the true story will be what will we as citizens get from electing Mitt? That is the questions we need to asked ourselves. Even those who want or think Mitt will make their life better; how, and what about how he feels about the 47% that he will never try to help, including you!
td
October 9th, 2012
11:43 am
kevin
October 9th, 2012
11:17 am
And I knew the day Obama was elected 4 years ago that it was the biggest mistake America has ever made. The last 4 years has proven my views right and I have been a ABO voter ever since.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 9th, 2012
12:12 pm
Romney’s tax plan will grow the economy by getting business engaged again. When they realize that they can keep more of their profit, there will be some incentive to grow and use the money they are sitting on.
Economics and business aren’t your strong suit, eh? Only demand leads to capital investment by a company. The only way demand goes up is if people spend money. Both Obama and Romney have the same middle class breaks in the pipeline.
Companies don’t expand operations because they will be able to keep some of their tax dollars. That’s simply dumb. You add capacity when demand dictates you add capacity. If no one is buying the iphone 5, Apple isn’t going to open more facilities and hire more workers just because the tax rates are favorable – they are going to wait until demand ramps up and , perhaps, that will coincide with tax rates being favorable.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
12:16 pm
“When did acting and style take over as main reasons to vote for a candidate?”
See: Presidential Election, 2008; Barack H. Obama, democrat candidate for your answer, carlos
@@
October 9th, 2012
12:16 pm
So….if, according to Kyle, Romney was mediocre…that makes Obama less than…
Is there a word for that???
“Idleness is fatal only to the mediocre.”–Albert Camus
And THERE Obama stood….idle or idol….depending on how one views him.
Gives a whole new meaning to The Myth of Sissypuzz, don’t it?
schnirt
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
12:20 pm
“Romney was like a Jack-in-the-Box who popped up and exclaimed, “I can fix that!” He was overly animated; ignoring history and proposing the already-tried-and-failed. ”
Really, Georgia? They’ve tried and failed to actually cut spending? They’ve tried and failed to actually cut regulations? They’ve tried and failed to actually implement a policy of energy independence?
Tell us when all of these things were accomplished, Georgia, because unlike you, some of us are actually students of real history, and those accomplishments seem to have gone unnoticed by us.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
12:25 pm
“Someone needs to explain how a revenue neutral tax cut grows GDP 3%. ”
Someone needs to explain to JDW that the tax cut is one of but 50+ actions in Mitt Romney’s economic plan that will help produce GDP growth.
Add to that, just the mere fact that a professional businessman and actual leader will be in the White House beginning in January will boost economic confidence all by itself.
@@
October 9th, 2012
12:31 pm
And since we’re talking Obama’s Fluke, I’d just like to reveal his/her shallow thinking:
Taliban says it shot ‘infidel’ Pakistani teen for advocating girls’ rights
PESHAWAR, Pakistan— A 14-year-old Pakistani activist who won international acclaim for speaking out for girls denied education under the Taliban was shot Tuesday on her way home from school, authorities said.
The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack on ninth-grader Malala Yousafzai, who officials said was shot in the neck by at least one gunman who approached a school bus in Mingora, a city in the scenic Swat valley in the country’s northwest.
Makes Mizzzzzzz Fluke’s complaints pale in comparison.
JDW
October 9th, 2012
12:34 pm
@Tiberius…
BTW…this is haliarious…”Add to that, just the mere fact that a professional businessman and actual leader will be in the White House beginning in January will boost economic confidence all by itself.”
Can you tell me the name of the last “professional businessman” to occupy the White House….pssst think 1929
md
October 9th, 2012
12:37 pm
It boiled down to having the commercial actually being allowed to talk back……..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
12:40 pm
“Can you tell me the name of the last “professional businessman” to occupy the White House….pssst think 1929″
Let’s see . . . since it’s NOT 1929, and the person running NOW is named Mitt Romney, your question is pretty stupid, JDW.
But it’s what we’ve come to expect from you. Come forward to the present, JDW. The rest of the world actually lives in it.
snoqualmiefalls
October 9th, 2012
1:00 pm
TBan asks”when did acting and style take over as main reasons to vote for a candidate”
See Presidential election 1980; Saint Ronald Reagan, Republican candidate, former actor, former union leader.
Methinks TBan is off by a few years, eh?
Linda
October 9th, 2012
1:00 pm
When Romney spoke of the 47%, he was referencing the many Obama supporters who will vote for Obama because they believe in the philosophy of govt. dependence. They would never vote for Romney because he believes in self reliance.
Romney offers the same offering made by our Founding Fathers and it’s a promise to respect our Constitution. Obama offers a government taking you from the cradle to the grave, and as a result, your life is not your own. Welcome to Julia.
I can’t pretend to understand the human motive for turning over your life to a politician. Whatever the motive, it has got to be the most hopeless, miserable form of human existence. There’s only one form of life that is lower; it is the politician who thrives on the worst of human nature, who depends on people giving up on themselves. He looks forward to you throwing up your arms and giving up because this is how he obtains & maintains power.
To trust a politician to take perpetual care of you when the govt. he represents is trillions of dollars in debt, while the future of the US is being broadcast from Europe, is absolutely ludicrous.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
1:15 pm
“Methinks TBan is off by a few years, eh?”
Being a former actor and acting at the time are two different things, snoqualmiefalls, which you’d know if you actually paid attention to history. In addition, Reagan was a former (and successful) governor of the largest state in the nation, which gave him far more executive experience than Jimmy Carter had, as he was an unsuccessful chief executive for (mercifully) 4 years.
But thanks for posting even more nonsense as usual.
Oh, and the name is Tiberius, not TBan. I’ll ask you politely to please use it.
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October 9th, 2012
1:19 pm
This one should be interesting:
Obama’s Property Grab Should End at Supreme Court
The Barack Obama administration tried last week to convince the U.S. Supreme Court that the federal government can deny landowners the use of their property for years — decades if need be — without ever paying compensation.
So Obama’s Solicitor General presents THIS argument?
Even if the Corps had permanently flooded the plaintiff’s property, Kneedler said, there would be no Fifth Amendment taking because people who live on a flood plain are aware of the risks of inundation. “When you live on a river and you know the consequences of having a flood control project on the river, that’s what happens.”
The federal government is equal to God. Who knew!!??!!
More like a man-made disaster if’n you ask me.
If they really believe their own argument, then we shouldn’t be bailing out victims of earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes and wildfires.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-08/obama-s-property-grab-should-end-at-supreme-court.html
Lambeau
October 9th, 2012
1:21 pm
I don’t post often but I read a lot and i just had to say this. Rafe, Tiberius, Linda, Towncrier, Lil Barry and a few others… Y’all just warm my heart
And in the words of LB…. Vote American!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
1:25 pm
“When Romney spoke of the 47%, he was referencing the many Obama supporters who will vote for Obama because they believe in the philosophy of govt. dependence.”
I disagree, Linda. I believe he spoke specifically about the 47% who would vote for Obama just because he’s a Democrat, or black, or for a specific policy that they completely agree with, and that he knows he’s not going to change their vote even if it was Hitler running under those same circumstances.
Where he “inelegantly stated” things was when he lumped those dependent on government into that same group, since veterans and retirees are also dependent on government and those people for the most part think before voting, unlike the liberals he was referencing in the other category.
JDW
October 9th, 2012
1:40 pm
@Tiberius…”Where he “inelegantly stated” things”
You need to catch up… the current official Romney party line is that the “remarks were completely wrong”. Don’t worry though like all thinks Romney I am sure a flip or a flop is coming.
JDW
October 9th, 2012
1:42 pm
@Tiberius…”Come forward to the present, JDW. The rest of the world actually lives in it.”
Indeed we do…you know where $5 trillion is really $5 trillion and trading Medicare for vouchers is a NO NO.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
October 9th, 2012
1:49 pm
Stop lying JDW. Even YOU should know that the Medicare program put forth by Romney makes vouchers an OPTION.
But then, knowing what is actually going on, instead of simply parroting the DNC talking points, is not your strong suit, is it?
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October 9th, 2012
2:04 pm
I’m thinkin’ economic OPTIONS aren’t something readily embraced by democrats.
Killing the unborn so the rest have more?
That’s an option democrats are eager to embrace.
Given our demographics, it won’t work out as planned.
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October 9th, 2012
2:16 pm
(Reuters) – A U.S. security officer formerly stationed in Libya has told lawmakers he sent two cables to the State Department requesting more security agents for the American mission in Benghazi but received no response.
Debate over whether the Obama administration was caught unprepared by an assault by militant groups has become U.S. election-year fodder./i>
Election-year fodder!!??!!
The Obama administration’s human fodder is more like it.
Jose
October 9th, 2012
2:38 pm
someone ask JDW where the $5 trillion in accumulated national debt from OBAMA came from?
can’t say BUSH………….. DEMOCRATS controlled the HOUSE and SENATE from 2007-2010…………… OBAMA needs to tell the TRUTH about HIS DEBT
Georgia
October 9th, 2012
2:42 pm
There are no economic options. 2008 proved that. If the natural economic cycle doesn’t get us, the crooks do. Cut spending? World ending! Cut Taxes?
B12
October 10th, 2012
8:00 am
The 90 minutes of unfiltered debate turned the Democrat’s $350,000,000 (that’s MILLION!) propaganda campaign to demonize Romney upside down. That’s the power of free speech in a true democracy. Thank you Mr. Romney!!
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