Well, well: What’s this about a $50 million problem at MARTA?
This morning’s big AJC headline — in the print edition, it read “Audit: MARTA spends $50 million too much” — was one of the least surprising things I’ve ever read in our paper.
Not because of some anti-MARTA bias on my part. Rather, it’s because MARTA officials told me as much, almost 2.5 years ago.
In the first part of my special series on MARTA back in May 2010, I wrote:
As you may have heard, MARTA now faces a $120 million budget hole. Believe it or not, the agency projected as early as in 2006 that it would be short $60 million by now, even though revenues were forecast to rise for a decade. Problem was, expenses piled up even faster.
One might summarize the financial history of MARTA (and most public entities) this way:
The economy takes a turn for the worse; MARTA’s budget, which already assumed some operating losses, goes from tenuous to disastrous. Officials warn of (take your pick) drastic, draconian, devastating service cuts unless someone, anyone, finds $50 million in new annual funding. Because the economy has also hit state and local governments, no new money materializes. Service is cut and employees laid off by the hundreds.
The economy takes a turn for the better; MARTA’s losses don’t disappear but do shrink. Still, no new $50 million. Yet the agency restores service and reinstates jobs by the hundreds. Sales tax revenues rise, but expenses rise faster.
The economy takes a turn for the worse ….
In part 3, I wrote:
[B]y mid-2008, when the fiscal 2009 budget was approved, MARTA knew things were getting bad. Its sales-tax forecasts had already been revised downward by $24 million (in reality, shoppers would deliver $54 million less than that).
So, what did the agency do? It planned to boost spending even as revenue declined — to make 2009 the third straight year in which spending growth would outpace revenue growth. And it planned to do the same in 2010.
Even before the bottom fell out, then, MARTA planned to run a $44 million deficit in 2009 and expected to lose another $49 million in 2010. That was the optimistic scenario.
Now, what do we learn from the audit by KPMG? As the AJC reports:
MARTA is spending $50 million above the national average for employee benefits, but if it revamped its health care, retirement and worker compensation plans, it could erase a projected $33 million operating deficit, an audit released Monday reveals.
The story goes on to say KPMG recommended that MARTA outsource a number of functions to private companies in order to save millions of dollars a year. My conclusion was that MARTA should privatize its entire bus operation, which is a more far-reaching proposal than KPMG made. But the principle is similar, and the reason — that persistent $50 million gap — is exactly the same.
Of course, there was nothing prescient about my writing these things back in 2010. Nor anything particularly investigative. All I had to do was ask: MARTA already knew what the problem was.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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MANGLER
September 25th, 2012
10:36 am
Well the head of MARTA was only making $315k+bennies. If we paid more, we’d get better results!
(which must be why she’s moving to Boston and taking a 30% pay cut)
Class of '98
September 25th, 2012
10:39 am
Congrats on your 40 under 40 recognition at Sanford, Kyle. Sic em.
BW
September 25th, 2012
10:49 am
Kyle
Why doesn’t the state just take MARTA over and privatize most functions? Does the state actually want MARTA to succeed? If spending is the only issue here, I see it as easily rectified. Does MARTA need to reduce spending? Absolutely and I’m not arguing that it doesn’t but I am arguing that the state has shown no inclination to allow MARTA to meet its mission statement which “is to strengthen communities, advance economic competitiveness and respect the environment by providing a safe and customer-focused regional transit system.”
Don't Tread
September 25th, 2012
10:54 am
Hardly surprising…
Privatizing MARTA would at least ensure the deadbeats are run out of there and there would at least be half a chanvce that the replacement staff would be hired based on merit. (It’s funny how things suddenly run well when employees are selected based on merit.)
Natasha
September 25th, 2012
10:56 am
So how much did MARTA pay to have KPMG come in and tell them what everyone already knew?
iggy
September 25th, 2012
11:10 am
Seems absenteeism is a major Marta problem. No surprise here.
TBone
September 25th, 2012
11:11 am
$50 million sounds low. I thought MARTA would do their usual trick and raise fares to make up the shortfall; that way they would attract more riders???
Kyle Wingfield
September 25th, 2012
11:20 am
Thanks, ‘98.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
11:28 am
MARTA is spending $50 million above the national average for employee benefits, but if it revamped its health care, retirement and worker compensation plans, it could erase a projected $33 million operating deficit, an audit released Monday reveals.
Always take it out on the employees, right?
Remember, benefits should be considered as salary. When you negotiate your employment, the employer is saying “we will pay you this much in wages and this much in deferred compensation/benefits.”
Maybe as employees we just need to say “you promise that compensation that I will never see so i am going to promise you this level of work from me that you won’t actually get.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
11:31 am
Well the head of MARTA was only making $315k+bennies
How can you people sit in judgement of what someone else earns in salary? There’s your wealth envy!
How would you like for your salary to get out and people say “Dang, I’ve seen Mangler’s work and he isn’t worth that. He must have pictures of somebody”
Dusty
September 25th, 2012
11:33 am
Well, Kyle, your foresight was so good that nobody paid any attention. Now it is a headline for the AJC. Only took someone else to tell AJC after three years! Yeah, they are right “on the ball”. MARTA is wasting money. Big new news!!
I guess we wil have to wait three years before we get a headline announcing that an investigation has shown that Obama is raising our debt every day in the outstanding trillions. If he is re-elected it wil be in the quadrillions! Now that’s a nice new number Americans can expect while they live in tent cities for the foreclosed homeless. Attention, AJC! There is a problem!!! Quadrillions!!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
11:33 am
(which must be why she’s moving to Boston and taking a 30% pay cut)
That just goes to show that money isn’t everything – especially when you find yourself working for a bunch of asshats.
Dusty
September 25th, 2012
11:35 am
I wouldn’t pay Finn a dime…
Auntie Christ
September 25th, 2012
11:47 am
Here are a few suggestions:
1. Have the south georgia/exurban politicians at the capitol get their greedy hands out of MARTA’s funds. They contribute nothing to MARTA, yet control 50% of it’s gross revenues.
2. The exurbanites feel they should not contribute to MARTA thru state taxes, and that’s a valid point. By the same token, why should I, as a ITP resident pay for highway improvements in Duluth, Alpharetta, Mayretta, and podunk south georgia, through higher taxes on gasoline at the fed and state level. While this is a sales tax and I pay based on the miles I drive and efficiency of my vehicle, most of therevenues are spent in areas where I don’t drive. Furthermore, these excise taxes are not covering the total costs to keep up the interstates the exurbanites and rural residents require for commuting, requiring me to subsidize their transportation needs. From Wikipedia:
“During 2008 the highway trust fund required support of $8 billion from general revenue funds to cover a shortage. This shortage was due to lower gas consumption as a result of the recession and higher gas prices. Further transfers of $7 billion and $19.5 billion were made in 2009 and 2010 respectively.”
The state government contributes nada to MARTA’s operations. MARTA should be receiving support from the state highway fund, however CW Mathews has more sway with our esteemed legislators, and cannot make money from thois proposition, so this will never happen.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
11:56 am
Companies with offices downtown need to give employees incentives to use mass transit.
Dumb and Dumber
September 25th, 2012
11:59 am
Kyle never misses a chances to criticize transit; its interesting that GDOT with its “ENRON-style accounting” always seems to get a pass though.
(1) KPMG is hardly a reliable source — just google its recent practices (paying $80 million in fines and giving certain funds a much higher rating in return for “consideration”) hardly an example of unbiased, professional accounting; and
(2) Its interesting how privatization is always the answer to every government expenditure. Atlanta has had great success in privatizing parking enforcement. Although rewarding a private company for the number of tickets they write, regardless of whether there was a violation, isn’t so good for small businesses. I’ve no problem with paying to park, but when you get a ticked even when you pay and then have to go to court to get it dismissed (I’m two for two on that score) over a $25 fine — I’ll stop patronizing those businesses and go to Decatur or unincorporated DeKalb.
I know, y’all will say that government will have to do a better job of overseeing contractors; however after a few years of cutting employees at local governments, who is going to actually do this? I know, have a contractor oversee the contractor and then hire a contractor to oversee that contractor.
Should MARTA fire employees with absenteeism? Should it hire contractors to run certain routes, sure?
But should GRTA run a bus route that directly competes with routes by Cobb, Gwinnett and MARTA? No. But you never hear a conservative criticize that practice. That taxpayer-funded transit agencies should directly compete with each other is plain stupid, but its more fun to trash MARTA than the GOP-run GRTA.
Dusty
September 25th, 2012
12:02 pm
Aunti Christ
You have made it clear that you are a city slicker and everybody outside of Atlanta is a country hick.
Until you start thinking of Georgia s a whole state instead of Atlanta as the castle and compass to direct all, you won’t help solve the problem.
The MARTA “problem” has been diagnosed and designated. It is waste and poor management. Get it? WASTE & POOR MANAGEMENT within MARTA.
Dumping ciritcism on the far points of Georgia will not help MARTA. Might make you feel better but it will not help transportation one bit. We have a lovely state. Appreciate all of it!
Centrist
September 25th, 2012
12:05 pm
MARTA and the airport are Atlanta’s biggest slush funds for politicians to get rich and buy votes. NOTHING is going to change that.
Dusty
September 25th, 2012
12:07 pm
Finn
Big companies are already using incentives to encourage the use of MARTA.
AT & T even has a parking garage near the train station in some parts of Atlanta.
Sallie
September 25th, 2012
12:14 pm
it is what it is
Dusty
September 25th, 2012
12:16 pm
Dumb & Dumber
GRTA is run by the GOP?? Really? Do they give discounts to Republicans? Maybe I will take a ride out that way just to see the scenery!
How about that? GOP runs GRTA while Democrats cry for trolly cars. You just never know!!
iggy
September 25th, 2012
12:16 pm
Agreed Dusty. This is the State of Georgia NOT the State of Atlanta.
iggy
September 25th, 2012
12:20 pm
“The state government contributes nada to MARTA’s operations. MARTA should be receiving support from the state highway fund”
Perhaps after Marta gets their financial house in order that may be appropriate. For now…NOPE!
cc
September 25th, 2012
12:25 pm
MARTA, like everything else connected with the City of Atlanta, is a “Jobs Program” attempting to deliver too much service to too few users. There will be no improvement in MARTA until the politicians have their hands forcibly removed from the cookie jar. Anyone care to wager when that might be?
Kyle Wingfield
September 25th, 2012
12:30 pm
Cheesy: That wild-eyed screed belongs on the previous thread, not this one.
Class of '98
September 25th, 2012
12:50 pm
Kyle, don’t you think if this country is ready for a black President, it’s also ready for a Gurley Heisman?!?! go dawgs
Auntie Christ
September 25th, 2012
12:53 pm
Dusty
September 25th, 2012
12:02 pm
The MARTA “problem” has been diagnosed and designated. It is waste and poor management. Get it? WASTE & POOR MANAGEMENT within MARTA.
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The waste and poor management here is the waste of your time commenting on things you know nothing about the waste of anyone’s time reading it, and poor management of you intellect by letting ’sources’ like wingfield and other Atlanta/MARTA bashers be your source of misinformation. Get it? WASTE & POOR MANAGEMENT is a fantasy feeding the prejudices of you, wingfield’s and others who conjure images of corruption and ineptitude because they despise any hint of success by the liberals ITP. And this applies to the politicians from podunk who do their level best to see MARTA fail, so they can get their good ole boy, corrupt greedy hands into the revenue pie and divvy up the benefits to their cronies.
AJC OPINION Wednesday, June 9, 2010, By Michael W. Tyler
According to the Federal Transit Administration, MARTA spends less money per mile for bus
service than any of its peer transit agencies in the country, except for Phoenix’s Valley Metro. Similarly, at the local level, MARTA’s bus operating costs per trip are lower than those of Cobb
County Transit, Gwinnett County Transit and the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority. Moreover, contrary to popular belief, according to the Dash Report, an independent survey of
transit system labor rates nationwide, MARTA’s unionized employees are among the lowest paid
in the nation compared to their peers at agencies of similar size. Furthermore, MARTA’s 1.54
percent increase in the top wage rates for operators was the lowest in the entire country over the
past 10 years.
These statistics highlight the fallacy behind Wingfield’s notion that MARTA could become more
cost-effective through privatization. Cobb County Transit, Gwinnett County Transit and GRTA all
utilize private contractors and, as noted above, have higher operating costs than MARTA.
In addition, even if MARTA did have inflated union wages, which it clearly does not, federal law
requires that any private company that took over MARTA operations would be mandated to
assume and maintain the union work force and the attendant collective bargaining agreement —
or risk losing billions in federal funding.
________________________________________________________
But don’t let facts get in your and the other know-nothings’ way of bashing Atlanta and MARTA, even tho you wouldn’t know mass transit from Mass achusetts.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 25th, 2012
12:55 pm
My conclusion was that MARTA should privatize its entire bus operation, which is a more far-reaching proposal than KPMG made. But the principle is similar, and the reason — that persistent $50 million gap — is exactly the same.
But that just puts a band-aid on the problem instead of fixing it.
The problem is this: is MARTA the regional transit backbone for the Atlanta area or a Fulton/Dekalb system that is only a minor part of a regional transportation solution? This isn’t MARTA’s fault. It’s the state legislature’s fault for requiring MARTA to stay locked to two counties while Atlanta long ago grew past those boundaries. If you limit MARTA to two counties, then you might as well keep shrinking it by getting rid of bus service. If you make MARTA part of a regional solution, then it’s time for the legislature to create an agency that will take control of MARTA and all Atlanta regional transportation assets, and let that agency have taxing power and elected board members that are responsible to the voters from the region.
But you knew that, Kyle. We’ve discussed this before.
iggy
September 25th, 2012
1:09 pm
Marta is another loser debacle just as the once shining star of the South, Atlanta. Atlanta has peaked. The best times are now behind Atlanta. Its all down hill from here.
Tryanon
September 25th, 2012
1:10 pm
I’ve ridden MARTA every work day for almost five years. In that time the customer service levels has decreased by two-thirds and the fare has more than doubled. Any salaries going to those who think this is quality management are just fooling themselves.
Additionally, while reading Board minutes a while back, I learn that MARTA will be spending $17 million on some kind of trolley system to take tourists to Centennial Park and Auburn Avenue. If this was a good idea, private enterprise would be all over it. With it’s financial problems, MARTA has no business spending this money.
iggy
September 25th, 2012
1:12 pm
BTW, Atlanta was just voted in as one of the dirtiest citys in the USA. No doubt the rolling outhouses, supplied by Marta, were a contributing factor.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
1:15 pm
Which cities offer examples of privatized mass transit?
iggy
September 25th, 2012
1:21 pm
Perhaps its time to privatize mass transit as it would decidedly be an improvement and assist in removing the typical “deadwood” that comes along with the public sector.
An Observer
September 25th, 2012
1:29 pm
The question is will MARTA do anything with the results of the audit they paid for? I have my doubts based on their past history. Some initiative by MARTA to bring costs under control is necessary if it ever expects to receive support from the community in another T-SPLOST type vote.
Li'l Aynie
September 25th, 2012
1:31 pm
Delighted, aren’t you Kyle? It just goes to show anything run by a lot of black people can’t be good.
Now, let’s gid those black people out of the White House!
Anyhow, we’d rather all those people who ride MARTA switch to driving big, ugly, top-heavy, pollution-spewing vehicles to clog our streets and freeways and make the air we breathe dirtier.
BW
September 25th, 2012
1:34 pm
Kyle
I again ask…does this state care for MARTA to succeed or use it as a punching bag? Does this state fundamentally believe in MARTA? If spending is the PRIMARY issue, then the state could contribute funds and take it over outright and cut spending and even raise fares to attempt to make it a break-even operation. A relatively easy operation in my eyes. What are you advocating FOR in terms of making MARTA sustainable in the long-term?
stands for decibels
September 25th, 2012
1:38 pm
Perhaps its time to privatize mass transit as it would decidedly be an improvement and assist in removing the typical “deadwood” that comes along with the public sector.
you know, like they do all over the world!
oh, wait.
nelson
September 25th, 2012
1:42 pm
The Governor should ask the current administration in Washington to send some “Obama Dollars” they spend like any other money only they come from the $16,000,000,000,000 deficit.
wallbanger
September 25th, 2012
1:55 pm
I have ridden Marta a number of times and have always been unimpressed. The signage is white on faded orange, and placed where you can’t see the stop from the windows, the floors are invariably nasty, you generally are “held up” one or more times on the way to anywhere, there are trash talking people, and bums soliciting regularly. No surprise that Marta is used as a cash cow by the same kind of people who run city governments in many cities. It does look like it is run by blacks and for blacks.
iggy
September 25th, 2012
1:57 pm
“you know, like they do all over the world!
oh, wait.”
Atlanta is such an innovative city, so cutting-edge and all that other non-sense bellowed by Mayor Yellow Teeth and his cohorts. Perhaps Atlanta could be the leader, in something other than shameful behavior and give privatization a try. No, that wouldnt work as probably would be necessary to terminate approx 30% – 40% of the lazy workers and we can have that…
iggy
September 25th, 2012
2:02 pm
we cant.
@@
September 25th, 2012
2:03 pm
My husband went to school with a guy who worked for MARTA.
G-o-o-o-o-od lookin’ but dumber than dirt. Lost three jobs before ending up at MARTA.
Last I heard, he was livin’ high on the “perpetual” hog…retired on some lake property.
Our new chairman, Jeff Turner wants to bring back Clayton County’s bus service but only if it’s privately operated. A black conservative running below the dem’s radar?
I can only hope.
@@
September 25th, 2012
2:05 pm
Kasim Reed has yellow teeth?
I never noticed.
JamVet
September 25th, 2012
2:10 pm
Kyle, notwithstanding your legitimate points, good luck to our gridlocked cons in their exurban hell holes!
I’ll be thinking of you (NOT!) as you slog through yet another nightmarish commute this in a few hours and then again tomorrow morning and every weekday morning and evening for the rest of your working lives!
You are truly the good little worker ants that you’ve been trained to be!
Long live road rage!
Have A Smile! ☺☻
September 25th, 2012
2:11 pm
“Delighted, aren’t you Kyle? It just goes to show anything run by a lot of black people can’t be good.
Now, let’s gid those black people out of the White House!
Anyhow, we’d rather all those people who ride MARTA switch to driving big, ugly, top-heavy, pollution-spewing vehicles to clog our streets and freeways and make the air we breathe dirtier.”
Congrats on attempting to play the race hard where no racism exists, and bonus points for hating on those who drive SUVs.
FAIL
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
September 25th, 2012
2:16 pm
Hopefully they won’t appoint some goony lib to solve the “problem” because then it will become a $100 million dollar mistake.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
September 25th, 2012
2:17 pm
And the goony lib would have the best pension in the lot.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
September 25th, 2012
2:32 pm
In a series of nine stories in 1980 on “Crucial States” — battleground states as they are known today — the New York Times repeatedly told readers then-President Carter was in a close and decidedly winnable race with the former California governor. And used polling data from the New York Times/CBS polls to back up its stories.
Don’t git suckered by the clown show, this guy is toast.
iggy
September 25th, 2012
2:35 pm
“Kasim Reed has yellow teeth?
I never noticed.”
Its all those yellow crayons he has been chewing.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
September 25th, 2012
2:37 pm
My my — i’ve never seen so many cons HAPPY that people will be out of jobs before!! How very CONscientous and CONtentious of you folks! I don’t understand the out and out hatred of MARTA – I mean most cons on the blog say the don’t ride it, they don’t spend one dime on it, and they don’t care for it, so why the glee?
Its almost as if you WANT MARTA to fail, simply because it has Atlanta in its name OR because it provides transportation for poor, carless, and som3times handicapped people. Would that be the reason?
Nahhhh!!! Not these Cons!!! They are only so CONtorted with glee because they, personally, hate anything that isn’t taking tax payer money and giving it away to a personal friend of the governor’s to start a resort on Lake Lanier!
Where, as every con knows, not a dime of tax money will be misspent, misappropriated, OR abused!!! They’re absolutely CONvinced of that!
iggy
September 25th, 2012
2:44 pm
“Its almost as if you WANT MARTA to fail,”
Just as I want any failing, mismanaged mess to fail, I certainly DO!!
iggy
September 25th, 2012
2:45 pm
51st!!
YES!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
September 25th, 2012
2:45 pm
Finn – Too Funny!
Maybe as employees we just need to say “you promise that compensation that I will never see so i am going to promise you this level of work from me that you won’t actually get.
I am SOOOO stealing that one!! Sorry.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
September 25th, 2012
2:47 pm
Why iggy? MARTA isn’t taking any money out of your pocket is it? So why are you so concerned about it?
Hmmmmmm……….let me try to get out my crystal ball and figure out the reason why you’d want to see something that has no connection to you fail…………the picture is geting clearer…………things that make you go hmmm….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
2:52 pm
you generally are “held up” one or more times on the way to anywhere
Got hyperbole?
Don Abernethy
September 25th, 2012
2:54 pm
I was amused by the news that Marta has put cameras on their buses using a government grant. That means they got money the feds borrowed from someone. What is going to happen when no one will loan the US money?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
2:56 pm
Kyle, where are these examples of public transit that has turned private?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
2:59 pm
What is going to happen when no one will loan the US money?
And other serious questions like:
“What is going to happen when hell freezes over?”
“What will it be like when the earth runs out of wind?”
iggy
September 25th, 2012
3:03 pm
Kinda like,
“What happens when The Ohio Players re-unite?” I tell ya happens…FIIIEEE YUH, FIIIEEE YUH – say it slow – ….
Kyle Wingfield
September 25th, 2012
3:07 pm
BW: I think most state legislators want MARTA to succeed. As for my own idea for making it more sustainable financially, I point you back to my suggestion of partial privatization — after all, the point is to provide transportation to the public, not to have a publicly run agency. Right?
Finn: If you want examples, you can click the link this time.
alex
September 25th, 2012
3:10 pm
@debbie….Hmmmm..visual hallucinations again,you’re off your meds again, time to take the BUS to the TAX payer SUPPORTED Grady and pick up a new script….
Wonder how you think that computer you are working with got developed: VENTURE CAPITALISTS?
Hillbilly D
September 25th, 2012
3:24 pm
A little history might be in order. From the 1920’s to about 1950, there were street cars in Atlanta, they were owned by Georgia Railway and Power, which is now Georgia Power. That system lost money, pretty much the whole time.
About 1950, Atlanta Transit was formed and bought out the old system. The streetcars had gone away shortly before that. Atlanta Transit ran buses and trackless trolleys (Lord, those were an eyesore). They didn’t make money either. They folded up when MARTA came in.
In my opinion, MARTA can be one of two things, it can be a profitable enterprise or it can be affordable transportation for the masses. For those of us who remember, it was sold as the latter.
I really don’t have a dog in this fight, as I’m seldom ever down there and have ridden it just a handful of times. I would say that it needs to be cleaned up and run more efficiently. One of it’s problems is that the rail doesn’t go where a lot of people want to go. My view is that they should concentrate on that, taking people from where they want to go to where they want to be. Atlanta is so spread out (but that’s another argument for another day) that they’ll always have their work cut out for them, in going where people want to go.
If I were running things, I’d start by cleaning things up, cutting out whatever waste I can find and working on the PR problem. That’s not a solution but you have to crawl before you walk.
The only bad experiences I ever had with MARTA was 1) the bathroom inside the station was locked and I was told I could go outside the gate and use that one (which meant I’d have to pay to get back in) and 2) I got caught in one of those infernal delays where all the trains that came in kept going up the Doraville line and I had to wait about an hour until one was going the way I wanted to go. I sent in an email to complain, complete with date, time, train, etc and never so much as received a courtesy reply.
So if MARTA needs to clean up what it can, if it wants be to be receptive when they ask for something.
BW
September 25th, 2012
3:24 pm
Kyle
I’m not arguing that partial privitization is an issue that MARTA shouldn’t pursue. What I am tired of is lawmakers using instances like this to deride the leadership, such as it is, of MARTA and by extension MARTA as a whole. If you are controlling the strings of the pursue via the resource allocation clause, then go a step further and allow MARTA state funding and control the spending and board appointments as you see fit. Build a real regional transit system where GRTA, Gwinnett Transit, xPress, etc are combining a run under one banner and leadership entity. I’ve seen only lack of leadership in the simple task of regional administration to date. The Economist just held out Sandy Springs as a example of how a government should be run which is mostly privatized city functions except where public workers are dictated by law. I’ve never heard anyone suggest a problem with the state funding and running the organization. Oh wait maybe the spotlights of accountability would shine on them if that were to happen.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 25th, 2012
3:25 pm
Thanks, Kyle. Didn’t see that.
BW
September 25th, 2012
3:28 pm
Hillbilly D
The ship has sailed on “rail not being where people want to go.” It’s that way for a reason and I’m not to going rehash ancient history at this point. Going forward, a robust commuter rail system is needed. The state has an opportunity to show creativity and leadership to resolve a problem all without the past taint of the creation of MARTA.
@@
September 25th, 2012
3:29 pm
Well…Ralph Nader has spoken.
It’s no surprise that Ralph Nader isn’t a fan of former President George W. Bush. After all, the longtime activist ran against him in both 2000 and 2004. But Nader’s even less a fan of President Barack Obama, if only because he thinks Obama was capable of so much more.
On issues related to the military and foreign policy, Obama’s worse than Bush, “in the sense that he’s more aggressive, more illegal worldwide,” Nader told POLITICO, going so far as to call Obama a “war criminal.”
That puts Bush ahead of Obama. HECK! Obama may end up as worst president evah if it’s left up to Nader.
‘Ya readin’ that, AmVet?
schnirt
Hillbilly D
September 25th, 2012
3:44 pm
BW
Actually, I was referring more to the wide open development that’s been encouraged for 40 years and aiding greatly in the “spreading out”. The power structure, as Hosea used to call them, was working at cross-purposes the whole time.
I’m not real big on rail lines between cities, within the state, as I think they’ll face their own ridership problems. One line I hear pushed a lot is a Gainesville-Atlanta line. Most folks don’t realize that Amtrak already runs that route, daily. Anybody who wants to can ride that, either direction, morning and evening.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 25th, 2012
3:48 pm
I think most state legislators want MARTA to succeed
I think most state legislators want to get re-elected.
I think the ones in Fulton and Dekalb want to see MARTA succeed. I think the ones in the outlying counties think of it as a political football, because there’s no penalty to not think of it that way. I think the ones in the rest of Georgia don’t think about it except for when they use it to get from their hotels to the capitol on days when they’re working here.
alex
September 25th, 2012
3:49 pm
@hillbilly used amtrak in virginia to get to DC, very unreliable….
Jose
September 25th, 2012
4:17 pm
what FINN doesn’t get is that MARTA is saddled with all the problems THAT the POSTAL SERVICE, cites, counties, states, and companies with UNION employees
Private Sector employes a long time ago were converted to 401K plans & shared health care costs
the POSTAL SERVICE, cites, counties, states, and companies with UNION employees have situations where CURRENT EMPLOYEES and RETIRED EMPLOYEES are eating up REVENUES because the pensions and healthcare
when you buy an AMERICAN car, not only are you paying for the salary, pension and healthcare of current employees…….. you are also paying the pension and healthcare of retired ones as well
as state and local governments have learned…. eventually you hit a tipping point where it COSTS TOO MUCH to keep this system going
William Pierce
September 25th, 2012
4:32 pm
Good thing that I wore my brown loafers today! Speaking of brown loafers have you seen the stand around, rude and obnoxious employees at MARTA? They must pay them by the pound from the looks of those lazy lard butts!
Auntie Christ
September 25th, 2012
4:38 pm
Love all the examples that “prove” MARTA is run ineffectively and inefficiently, and should be privatized. Here’s some examples of private enterprise: Call AT&T with an internet service problem, and see if it is resolved with one call (anything other than a modem being reset);
call them or any other cellular provider about excessive dropped calls or a billing issue;
call Direct TV, Comcast et al to have your service turned up, have a calendar handy because it won’t be tomorrow or this week;
when the 3-4 month old computer you paid $$$$ for suddenly blue screens, pack a lunch and maybe supper too because tech support ain’t exactly prompt, and the first thing they ask you is a credit card number;
how many of you have screamed out loud when Bill Gates’ latest and greatest Op sys, fails time after time and continually blue screens, and eventually you find out you were MS’ guinea pig and beta tester;
Maybe you don’t mind finding out that the brand new automobile you just paid a year’s salary for needs to be recalled because the breaks are gonna fail after 1000 miles, or burst into flames, or slam you into your house because the accelerator sticks;
Or when you find out that -surprise- that ‘free stuff’ some corporation promised you has a lot of teeny teeny fine print and ain’t so free after all.
And lastly, figure the time subtracted from your life dealing with the inept, insouciant employees of these enterprises. You’ll find they are no better than MARTA in their reliability and value.
And when you claim that we have ‘choices’ and ‘competition,’ try not to laugh. If you think that HP is any different than Dell, that Verizon, Nextel, AT&T are any way different, or Comcast or Direct TV, or the car companies or any other supposedly ‘competing’ businesses, you have a lot to learn.
cc
September 25th, 2012
4:43 pm
“Companies with offices downtown need to give employees incentives to use mass transit.”
Will that include a sidearm of significant caliber?
saywhat?
September 25th, 2012
4:58 pm
If Romney wins the election, Marta buses and trains will be able to fly at high altitudes, and then get roll down windows.
Auntie Christ
September 25th, 2012
4:59 pm
Have A Smile! ☺☻
September 25th, 2012
2:11 pm
Congrats on attempting to play the race hard where no racism exists,
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here would at least be half a chanvce that the replacement staff would be hired based on merit. (It’s funny how things suddenly run well when employees are selected based on merit.) ( Meaning: they are hired now based on their race.)
Marta is used as a cash cow by the same kind of people who run city governments in many cities. It does look like it is run by blacks and for blacks.
Speaking of brown loafers have you seen the stand around, rude and obnoxious employees at MARTA?
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There’s never any racism from the white wing regulars on kyle’s blog. It’s just your imagination.
cc
September 25th, 2012
5:00 pm
“The problem is this: is MARTA the regional transit backbone for the Atlanta area or a Fulton/DeKalb system that is only a minor part of a regional transportation solution”
Extending MARTA beyond Fulton and DeKalb Counties will not bring increased usage from the suburban residents. It will, however, facilitate the travel desires of the criminals residing and prospering in Fulton and DeKalb Counties in their quest for new prey.
Rush
September 25th, 2012
5:01 pm
Finn too busy studying for finals…..you are still living that charade, right Finn?
Rush
September 25th, 2012
5:04 pm
Auntie has split the atom!!! She has identified racism…..I bet there is no way anyone could go onto Bookie’s blog and write something slanted as reverse racism…simply not possible. Only those ol’ nasty racist on Kyle’s blog….Tell us then Auntie…..why do you hang out with such heathens on Kyle’s blog? Are you going to reform everyone similar to the US prison system reforming criminals?
Rush
September 25th, 2012
5:06 pm
and if Obama is reelected maybe we will get to visit those 57 states….LOL..
mike
September 25th, 2012
5:08 pm
According to CareerBliss Marta bus drivers make between $23 – 28K ($11.05 – 14.00/hr) per year. Not exactly getting rich considering the responsibility they have. So who’s getting all of that money?
http://www.careerbliss.com/salary/marta-bus-driver-salaries-246077/?q=bus+driver
Rush
September 25th, 2012
5:08 pm
SayWhat:
I provided the link for your amusement….that Harvard Law grad is a sharp dude!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Auntie Christ
September 25th, 2012
5:17 pm
Tell us then Auntie…..why do you hang out with such heathens on Kyle’s blog? Are you going to reform everyone similar to the US prison system reforming criminals?
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That would be impossible, to reform the white wingers here, because like the man said, you can’t cure–or reform–stupid. You congregate on this blog to reinforce each other’s ignorance, the same reason most of you have never done critical thinking or tried to broaden your minds beyond the backwoods, redneck crap your progenitors taught you. It’s the reason you would never listen to anything beyond AM talk radio or pox news. When I was 20 years old, an old grizzled, but very intelligent First Sergeant told me, when I asked if I should go to college: “Son, there’s no sin being ignorant, the sin is staying ignorant.” Too bad so many of you here never had the benefit of knowing someone like that.
As for why I come here, I love slapping down your ignorant-azz arguments and assertions.
Auntie Christ
September 25th, 2012
5:26 pm
Rush
September 25th, 2012
5:08 pm
SayWhat:
I provided the link for your amusement….that Harvard Law grad is a sharp dude!!
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You do realize the ignorant, half educated, supposed Harvard MBA you minions of the right/white wing so slavishl;y worshipped, has an entire book written of his “Bushisms?” The man was dumb as a rock and venal as a mafia don, and you people loved him, because as I said, it validated your own ignorance.
Rush
September 25th, 2012
5:27 pm
Excellent answer Auntie…..we look forward to your insightful “slapping down”….LOL
Kyle Wingfield
September 25th, 2012
5:31 pm
Folks, as described upstairs, commenting is now in moderation … for a long time. Read that post to understand why.