GDOT tries low-cost innovation as alternative to adding lanes

A few months ago, I wrote about the way Washington state has used variable speed limit signs on certain stretches of its highways to slow down traffic ahead of congested areas — thereby avoiding accidents, delaying the onset of gridlock and keeping traffic flowing freely for longer.

Now, it appears we’re going to try a similar tactic along I-285. From the AJC:

The state Department of Transportation on Thursday voted to install variable electronic speed limit signs on the northern half of I-285, where the speed limit will change depending on congestion.

On the southern half, where there is less traffic, the speed limit will simply be raised to 65 mph. DOT officials cautioned the speed limit is still 55 mph all the way around until the project is complete.

The roadway was designed to accommodate higher speeds.

“It’s the principle that it will help to reduce accidents,” said DOT’s chief engineer, Gerald Ross. “And in high speed times — off-peak — you won’t have people jumping in and out of lanes.”

Accidents are of course one of the chief causes of traffic jams. The HERO response units have helped to clear accidents more quickly, but variable speed limits can help prevent more of them from happening.

This is exactly the kind of smarter approach to fighting traffic congestion that we must embrace in the wake of the T-SPLOST’s defeat in metro Atlanta and generally declining transportation funds. There will still be a need for new projects, and money to fund them, but perhaps this is a sign the reality of scarcity is serving to get the creative juices flowing among state transportation planners.

Now, we just have to convince metro Atlanta drivers it’s worthwhile to heed their warnings …

– By Kyle Wingfield

180 comments Add your comment

JF McNamara

September 20th, 2012
4:04 pm

No one obeys the posted speed limit of 55 now. If you’re going less than 80 in the far left lane, you’re going to get run over. That may inhibit those plans. BTW, slower traffic keep right.

oldfart

September 20th, 2012
4:11 pm

@JF McNamara – Theoretically, if the slower traffic kept right there would never be a backup in the left lane on the I-285 circle.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 20th, 2012
4:14 pm

Doesn’t cost much and maybe worth a try. 55 mph was a joke anyway, except during heavy congestion, people refused to drive that slow. Glad they are going to raise the limit. No sure if the variable rates are going to do much to help, people are going to drive as fast as the traffic will allow.

oldfart

September 20th, 2012
4:15 pm

The variable speed limit signs seem to be yet another high tech gizmo where the DOT’s money could best be used elsewhere. They could make it the original design limit of 80MPH for 1950’s vehicles on the northern arc of 285 during rush hour but you will still only do between 0 and 5 MPH.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 20th, 2012
4:21 pm

Accidents are of course one of the chief causes of traffic jams.

Followed closely by ladders in the road. Why can’t people secure their ladders?

killerj

September 20th, 2012
4:21 pm

So a few billion did not work, so lets play with the speed limit to ensure we make more revenue with fines,just in a bad mood kyle but it still makes me smile that people are nutting up,have a good day.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 20th, 2012
4:22 pm

I used to get in the HOT lane and cruise along at 70mph – at all times. Fun watching people blow their gaskets.

Junior Samples

September 20th, 2012
4:32 pm

Cars, are the main reason for traffic jams.
The trick is getting more of them off the roads.

MANGLER

September 20th, 2012
4:34 pm

The point of variable speed limits is to have greater control over being able to warn motorists who have not yet encountered the problem area(s) to approach slower than they might otherwise have been going. But you’ll never get that logic through to the drivers who like to go 80 and insist that the left lane exists solely for that purpose.

It’s the same NIMBY attitude that killed TSPLOST and MARTA’s growth over the years and is reflected in driving patterns (and comments). People refuse to accept that the roads were not built solely for them alone and that things occur in areas not directly around them but still may affect them.

The fact that drivers here have yet to understand why they put stop lights at highway on-ramps further proves that traffic logic escapes them. If they did not work and did not serve a traffic control function, then no city would spend the money to install them or enforce them. The biggest complaint there is that is back cars up on the on-ramps. Well, that’s the point. Cars moving at slower speeds having to stop and wait for 3 seconds is much safer than a wall of cars in the acceleration lanes merging with other vehicles moving at much higher speeds.

Streetracer

September 20th, 2012
4:36 pm

Years ago I listened to a State Trooper talk on driver safety. He said that every accident he had investigated was caused at least in part by a mechanical failure; that is the nut holding the wheel. These variable speed limits may convince at least some to pay more attention to what is ahead of them and reduce accidents in the back-up. That is something that seems to happen alot and certainly adds to congestion.

Truth

September 20th, 2012
4:36 pm

Oh goody…..now Dekalb cops will be hiding out waiting for the speed limit to be reduced so they can write you a reveunue enhancer…..

JamVet

September 20th, 2012
4:37 pm

Color me skeptical.

I remember when they banned turbochargers at the Indy500 and forced those cars to slow down due to the carnage.

So raising the already generally unobserved speed limits on Atlanta’s interstates is going to reduce accidents?

Creative juices, indeed!

Truth

September 20th, 2012
4:38 pm

What will be done about the fools on their cell phone more interested in their conversation than the car slowing down in front of them? Another favorite is the traffic merging onto the interstate and immediately heading to the left lane at a whopping 52 MPH

Four more years

September 20th, 2012
4:40 pm

I should have known great idea came from you.

already in the works

September 20th, 2012
4:44 pm

this project had been in the works for months and was going to be implemented with or without the passaeg of TSPOST… A better solution and more funding is still needed to provide some real improvements and congestion relieft.

Truth

September 20th, 2012
4:53 pm

Using the logic of Mangler then the red light cameras were installed for “safety concerns” and not to raise revenue by the local government authority……LOL

Good project

September 20th, 2012
5:03 pm

Kyle, want a good project? Try to find out if all these incentives Georgia is giving movie companies is cost effective. Did you know they can sell their tax credits if they don’t use them. That way, some person who owes Georgia taxes can buy a credit (obviously, at a discount) from a movie company and not have to pay Georgia. I know it’s a glamorous business, but does it make economic sense for a state that needs so much to waste money on making movies?

Centrist

September 20th, 2012
5:20 pm

The signs will only be an alert of a traffic jam ahead if the speeds are reduced. The absurd Carter era 55 MPH speed limit is routinely ignored by the vast majority of drivers and police.

Wasted effort.

Kyle Wingfield

September 20th, 2012
5:21 pm

Mangler: You have the logic correct. And I agree the trick will be getting people to recognize it’s in their own best interest to heed a lower speed limit when posted — no sense in rushing to get to a traffic jam and sit in it.

One thing’s for certain: It will have to take a much better public-education effort than we saw with the I-85 HOT lanes.

Kyle Wingfield

September 20th, 2012
5:22 pm

JamVet: You only read part of what’s happening. The idea is to lower the speed limit when necessary to avoid having too many cars arrive at a congested area too quickly.

Kyle Wingfield

September 20th, 2012
5:28 pm

To all those who say this is about raising revenue: Don’t you think it’d be a lot simpler just to put some cops on that road now? It’d be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Centrist

September 20th, 2012
5:49 pm

GDOT and the police don’t want traffic to slow down unless there is a traffic jam ahead. Traffic moving at 70 – 80 MPH means there will be fewer cars on the road at any one time since more have reached their destinations earlier. It is a simple time and motion study. Assembly lines work on the same principal moving more product on the same line in any given amount of time – as long as there is not a stoppage/bottleneck created from running it too fast.

This is why police have ignored the totally bogus 55 MPH limit that drivers’ disregard – but increasing it without the cover of these new signs is not politically correct.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
6:00 pm

Kyle, I sent you an email last night. Still waiting for a reply…

Anyone that thinks additional revenue is not one of the factors behind this movement has never driven on 285 or 400. Ever notice that every little municipality along those routes now has cops sitting and waiting for you to “speed” through. That’s on top of already being policed by the Highway Patrol and county police. I’m a responsible defensive driver, so it’s no skin off of my nose. I’m just saying…

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
6:05 pm

So because they couldn’t get T-SPLOST passed, they have to find another way of generating revenue. Since you didn’t want to pay a whopping one cent tax, they’re going to take it from you one ticket at a time, which will cost you much more than a penny each.

@@

September 20th, 2012
6:26 pm

I can’t remember the last time I was on the perimeter. The quickest path from point A to point B is a straight line.

Not a bad idea. It may be a problem for those prone to hurry up and wait.

Sometimes it’s the simple solutions that work best…cost less too.

Case in point:

Angelenos have lots to say about broken sidewalks, untrimmed trees
Readers have some good ideas; now let’s hear from the mayoral candidates. City policy currently calls for trimming its 700,000 trees only once every 50 years.

The people of Los Angeles, home to hundreds of thousands of unmaintained city-owned trees and roughly 5,000 miles of bad sidewalk, have spoken.

And they’re not happy.

Citizens want to volunteer their services but the politicians would rather spend $10 million dollars for a three-year study on cracks.

schnirt

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 20th, 2012
6:43 pm

Seems like a reasonable idea. Part of the traffic problem on the northern arc is folks driving faster than they should and then jamming on the brakes when they get to one of the major off/on ramp areas. Slowing the traffic in between the trouble spots should smooth things out overall, and also reduce accidents caused by the herky jerky changes in speed.

mike

September 20th, 2012
6:48 pm

I say never let a perfectly good opportunity to waste the taxpayer’s money go to waste.

Those “electronic” speed limit signs will feel right at home with the hundreds of needless cameras and the absurd “message boards.”

I say “go with it!” Why not?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 20th, 2012
6:49 pm

Libtards are determined to make any idea fail that doesn’t involve huge tax increases.

mike

September 20th, 2012
6:56 pm

This whole traffic problem could be solved tomorrow if all the rich people living outside the perimeter would just buy helicopters to get and from work.

Then, only the dumb slobs working at McDonalds and not paying taxes would be on the taxpayer-paid highways.

They could get home sooner and have more love childs out of wedlock with their baby daddy and get more welfare!

What could be simpler?

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
6:59 pm

Kyle, I thought you had some kind of policing policy for your blog. Yet, here is “Lil’ Barry” using terms like “libtard” As a person with a special needs child in my house, I find that term extremely offensive. Not to mention it makes “Lil’ Barry” look like the real “tard.” I bet all of you wing nuts are proud to be represented by quality folks like “Lil’ Barry” and his obviously high IQ.

mike

September 20th, 2012
7:03 pm

Gravy: Lil’ Barry has already been banned from every other blog at the AJC. This is his last stop.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
7:07 pm

While I find LBB a bit distasteful every now and again, Gravy Train, I find religious bigots like you even more so.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
7:09 pm

Oh, and if you want to reduce traffic accidents, pull over each and every woman who tries to put on makeup while driving, and every guy trying to read his paper or i-Pad.

Escort them home and take away their keys for a week.

Buford T. Justice

September 20th, 2012
7:12 pm

The de facto speed limit is 70mph. Many of us have passed DeKalb, Sandy Springs, etc. looking right at us with radar pointed at our cars and never even blink. They look for super speeders. So how does doing nothing amount to doing something?

Road Scholar

September 20th, 2012
7:12 pm

The speed limit is the speed limit regardless of what it is. Will the cops still provide a “cushion” of 10 mph as they do now?

The paranoids are worried that the variable speed limit will give cops a reason to pull you over to get revenue. They would be paranoid if the limit was 120mph! No they probably won’t make money on tickets….but they will make money at the gas pump since a car uses more gas at higher speeds!
If you remember the real reason for the 55 mph SL, it was to reduce gas/oil usage under Carter!

Now, whether you think this is a good idea (raising the SL to 70) I’ll get your comments as you look in your rear view mirror at a tractor trailer, loaded to the brim, trying to stop or maneuver at that speed in such a tight area! Speeds should be posted lower as congestion increases….now if Atlanta’s drivers can read, process, and actually run the posted speed! Good luck with that! Enforce the “slower traffic keep right” law. Oh, and have more HERO trucks and on call wreckers available to clear those wrecks.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
7:12 pm

Stating facts about cults is not bigoted, pal. If the truth bothers you, stop nominating cult members to represent you.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
7:17 pm

Also, I have a Constitutional Right to examine cults, discuss them and to be free from their influences.

oldfart

September 20th, 2012
7:23 pm

“It will have to take a much better public-education effort than we saw with the I-85 HOT lanes.”

The “HOT lanes”, Express Lanes, Lexus Lanes, whatever the label as implemented so far need far more than better public education. They need to treat the public at large better in being funded like other toll roads with the tolls paying fully for their construction. Toll lanes should only be built as the original GA400 extension was with bonds paid back strictly by the tolls. None of the construction funds should come from the motor fuel tax receipts. The problem they refuse to face up to is that the Lexus Lane users will refuse to pay the actual cost of building the lanes exclusively for their use. If they were to sell bonds for the full cost of just the state’s portion and charge the current tolls on I-85 they would be a century or more paying them off. All of the taxpayers subsidizing a small percentage of the wealthier taxpayers is just not good government.

The proposed amount to come out of Georgia’s share alone for the I-75/I-575 Lexus Lanes is $536 Million, most of which will be siphoned from the motor fuel tax revenues, and after addition of the “free” Federal money the totals will exceed a billion dollars. That is huge money that could be better utilized for some of the needed projects they tried to glom onto some of the TSPLOST pork.

To reiterate, I have no problem with toll roads that pay for themselves but I have no interest in subsidizing their use for the few.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
7:25 pm

“Stating facts about cults is not bigoted, pal.”

No, but stating wrong-headed opinions of them is bigoted.

And you, sir, are a religious bigot.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
7:31 pm

I have stated no “wrong headed opinion.” In fact, I provide facts straight from the source, the LDS. Call me what you will, but the fact remains that the LDS is a cult (look up the definition of the word) and Willard Romney is a pillar of that cult.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
7:35 pm

So, by your reasoning, people like Jim Jones and David Koresh (both eerily similar to Joseph Smith) should be recognized as saints and given the same status as “religion” as you say? We should not be aware of people like this. I’m only trying to expose the things Willard wants to hide.

@@

September 20th, 2012
7:37 pm

My pet peeve with the driving population?

The woman who takes the long route into and out of a parking space. Drive, reverse, drive, reverse, drive, reverse….inches at a time.

I swear…sometimes it seems to take five minutes. It’s not even a parallel parking spot.

David R. Boag, DDS

September 20th, 2012
7:41 pm

Road Scholar @ 7:12,

“If you remember the real reason for the 55 mph SL, it was to reduce gas/oil usage under Carter!”

Actually, in today’s cars, the most economical speed is closer to 65 MPH. It’s been that way for well over a decade.

Jawakatima

September 20th, 2012
7:44 pm

“Now, we just have to convince metro Atlanta drivers it’s worthwhile to heed their warnings …”

Dream on. Hardly anyone observes the speed limit on the Perimeter. The notion that a few flashing signs will tame that Wild West is laughable. The only thing that slows traffic is congestion. Which begs the question, do we want variable speed limits to relieve congestion so people can drive faster and have more accidents.

bluecoat

September 20th, 2012
7:44 pm

I can see it now.You slow down,other pass you,and force way into moving traffic lane ahead of you.

Hillbilly D

September 20th, 2012
7:46 pm

The quickest path from point A to point B is a straight line.

Now assuming the earth is round, or close to it, wouldn’t the quickest path from point A to point B be a curved line, unless it’s a tunnel. (IWH)

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
7:52 pm

Gravy Train

Going after Romney’s faith is as bigoted and ignorant as those who went after Obama and all the bs surrounding it?

Were you ok when the right went after Obama’s faith?

md

September 20th, 2012
7:54 pm

I have to say I’ve enjoyed my solution for several years now……there are jobs out there that do not require one live in the madness that is now the Atl……but it also requires a choice.

My only regret was that I waited as long as I did to make that choice……..sitting in a car for several hours a day vs walking in the park, etc is a colossal waste of time in a lifetime that is much shorter than folks realize…………

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
7:56 pm

“Call me what you will, but the fact remains that the LDS is a cult (look up the definition of the word) and Willard Romney is a pillar of that cult.”

Ok, you’re a religious bigot.

And why is your own personal faith so weak that you cannot treat other beliefs in the same light as your own?

mike

September 20th, 2012
7:59 pm

Here’s a little different site than I posted last night:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Unfortunately the results are the same. President Barack Obama is going to win in a walk-away.

Not only that, but the Democrats will almost certainly retain control of the Senate and come close to gaining control of the House.

Del

September 20th, 2012
8:01 pm

Well now gravy train, Black theology is a cult and Obama spent 20 years in a church that espoused Black theology. How do you square that?

md

September 20th, 2012
8:02 pm

Seems some here have already declared Dewey the winner…………

@@

September 20th, 2012
8:05 pm

So TODAY, Obama claims his biggest mistake has been the lack of progress on immigration reform.

Bill’s “I feel your pain” approach?

Well…two months ago he told Charlie Rose his biggest mistake was not being able to tell a story to the American people.

I’ll give him THIS…he’s gotten alot better at telling stories!!!

schnirt

Del

September 20th, 2012
8:10 pm

“So TODAY, Obama claims his biggest mistake has been the lack of progress on immigration reform.”

@@, and to think for the first 2 years of his administration Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. During that time Obama never addressed immigration or for that matter the most pressing issue for all Americans, jobs and the economy.

@@

September 20th, 2012
8:20 pm

Ain’t that just the truth, Del?

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
8:32 pm

And what are tomorrow night’s lottery numbers, mike?

Because if you know so much, even in the light of today’s shocking admission from Obama that his biggest mistake was learning that “he couldn’t change Washington, D.C. from the inside” (thereby admitting his failure as a President), surely you’d know tomorrow night’s lottery numbers . . .

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
8:36 pm

“They,” you mean how the “conservatives” (used very loosely here) tried to link Obama to radical Islam and when that didn’t work, they tried to radicalize the Christian church he does attend? See Del’s post at 8:01 pm, above. The problem with that analogy is that what they claimed were and are complete fabrications. What I am doing is directly referencing Mormon doctrine and practices. They are free to believe and practice what they want, even if it is a direct contradiction of the so-called true Word of God and the Ten Commandments. I’m not hating them, I just want to shed light on what they hide.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
8:41 pm

If they are trying to hide it, how come you can read it?

You’re not only a religious bigot, but you’re a clown.

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
8:43 pm

Gravy

My point is that neither side should be doing it. It isn’t solving anything.

You are shedding no light and I doubt have one any converts. You are are being a bigot.

Same as those who went after Obama. If you do not like the man’s political policies or faith, don’t vote for him.

You sang these same tunes next door.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 20th, 2012
8:45 pm

Obozo pretends to be a Christian, so apparently he believes bread and fishes can appear out of nowhere, and that the blind and deaf can be healed by the laying on of hands, and that a dead guy can live again. How unhinged must he be?

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
8:46 pm

Gravy

Obama isn’t concerned about it, why should you be?

Mitt or any another Mormon isn’t going to change their faith because you go from AJC blog to AJC blog crying and whining about Mormonism.

I assume you consider yourself a more “mainstream” Christian (whatever that is). If so, there are a lot of wholes to punch your your faith if someone wants to play the same bigot card.

Just sayin

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
8:48 pm

Barry

You do not know what he pretends to be or not. You are doing your typical run at the mouth. I doubt your God has given you the knowledge or authority to make that determination.

So counter with, well he said he was a Muslim. hhhaaa, hehehe

I COULD CARELESS about the faith of either or the bigots on either side.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 20th, 2012
9:02 pm

I COULD CARELESS about the faith of either or the bigots on either side.
———

Really? I couldn’t.

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
9:03 pm

Could, couldn’t………..

whatevs………….

You got the point

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
9:05 pm

And if you “couldn’t”, why have you done your typical crybaby and diarrhea at the mouth act numerous times about Obama and his faith or something regarding it?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 20th, 2012
9:05 pm

You obviously didn’t.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 20th, 2012
9:06 pm

Just to tweak you.

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
9:12 pm

No, like Gravy you are a bigot

Just have your one whiners (liners) ready come election night…….

It isn’t over , but the witching hour is getting close

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:28 pm

Actually, I can only say that I believe there is a God and many people try to twist Him around to fit their views. I am not a member of any church for that very reason. My wife and I have Mormon friends and they know how I feel about the situation. I have been to their ward and I welcome their missionaries into my home whenever they are in my neighborhood. I have read every shred of literature they have put in my hand, including the “Book of Mormon.” I have even met with the local “bishop” in my area. That’s how I know about the “secrets.” Look man, all I’m saying is that if a man is running for the highest office in the land and he openly associates himself with any organization, religious or otherwise, we better damn well examine that organization, because like it or not it will have an impact on his decisions. If what Willard believes is so innocuous, why did his family feel the need to move to Mexico and build an armed compound?

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:30 pm

What you call “bigotry” I call “informed citizen and voter.” I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:34 pm

Also, at no point in The Torah or The Bible does it say that I or anyone else has to go through Joseph Smith to get to God. As far as I know, it’s just between me and God.

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
9:35 pm

Don’t vote for him

Whining about it on every AJC blog hasn’t changed a thing.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:38 pm

For all anyone knows, God and Allah could be one in the same. Wouldn’t that just chap some hides and make some heads explode the world over?

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:40 pm

I’m not whining pal. Just because you don’t want to know about the LDS doesn’t mean nobody else does either.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:45 pm

If I got one person, just one, who supports Willard out of hatred for Obama, to examine the LDS, then I have accomplished my mission. I don’t even care if they still vote for the guy or not. I just want them to know what their really voting for, nothing more, nothing less. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. It’s that easy.

@@

September 20th, 2012
9:48 pm

Gravy:

If you don’t like it, don’t read it. It’s that easy.

Okay. Are ‘ya gonna keep bringing it up regardless?

Seems like a waste of time to me.

‘Ya might have to come up with a sockpuppet in order to have a discussion on your preferred topic.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:50 pm

whoops. should be “they’re” not “their”

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 20th, 2012
9:53 pm

They BOTH suck
September 20th, 2012
9:12 pm
————-

Tweak accomplished.

cc

September 20th, 2012
9:55 pm

“I’ll give him THIS…he’s gotten alot better at telling stories!!!”
. . . with tremendous help from the very biased ‘news media’!

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
9:58 pm

cc, are you saying that Fox News and Talk Radio is not extremely biased?

@@

September 20th, 2012
10:02 pm

The media’s cognitive estrangement.

G’nite, cc.

cc

September 20th, 2012
10:12 pm

Gravy Train@9:58 pm:
Talk radio is entertainment; the more the host can agitate the callers, the more listeners he has, and open advertising spots creates competition. Simply put, it is profitable for radio stations. Funny that no liberal talk radio is successful, isn’t it? FOX news does have dialogue between conservatives and liberals, and many of their ‘contributors’ are liberal. I find no conservative views on ABC, CBS, NBC, MS/NBC and PBS.

Gravy, I see that others have grown weary of you . . . and I think I am also.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
10:12 pm

“Look man, all I’m saying is that if a man is running for the highest office in the land and he openly associates himself with any organization, religious or otherwise, we better damn well examine that organization, because like it or not it will have an impact on his decisions.”

Really, Gravy Train? And just what Mormon traits did Romney exhibit during his 4 years as Governor of Massachusetts? What impact did it have on his decisions?

Bigot. Plain and simple.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
10:13 pm

“If what Willard believes is so innocuous, why did his family feel the need to move to Mexico and build an armed compound?”

Because they encountered uninformed bigots like you.

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
10:15 pm

barry

pt proven………………. don’t hide your bigotry behind “I’m tweaking you”……… I have read that same tripe from you when I wasn’t posting. Guess you need another excuse.

But nice try and if it made you feel better about your self and boosted your low self-esteem, do what you must

toodles

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 20th, 2012
10:17 pm

“I just want them to know what their really voting for, nothing more, nothing less.”

That would be an exceptional husband and family man who has succeeded at everything he’s ever done, and has never injected his religious beliefs into anything he’s ever done.

Bigot.

They BOTH suck

September 20th, 2012
10:24 pm

Tiberius @ 10:17

Not voting for Romney, but I do believe him to be a family man and someone who doesn’t allow his beliefs to interfere in a negative or destructive way in his daily life.

cc

September 20th, 2012
10:27 pm

Tiberius@10:12 pm:
I’m sure that Gravy was just as dutiful and pursued the truth when no one knew very much at all about Obama in his 2008 campaign?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 20th, 2012
10:28 pm

You want to talk about a gaffe? –

So I am happy to take responsibility for the fact that we didn’t get it done, but I did not make a promise that we would get everything done, 100 percent when I was elected as president.” – obozo

Happy?

So he only lied about 95% of his campaign “promises.”

This guy is inept, baffled and bizarre all rolled into one wormy little package, what more could the 47 percenters ask for?

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
11:15 pm

Tiberius – “That would be an exceptional husband and family man who has succeeded at everything he’s ever done, and has never injected his religious beliefs into anything he’s ever done.”

Uh, I know that’s the Christmas Card version you want to peddle. It would work too, if it weren’t for the fact that Willard’s parents bank rolled his life and he lives off of their investments.

Also, you wing nuts have a very funny definition of success. By your definition, the drug cartels of Mexico are very successful too, because they have a lot of money. It doesn’t matter how they got it, right? The ends justify any means, right?

Can you afford to drop $50K on a plate of food? If so, wouldn’t that money be better spent paying off the deficit you’re so worried about. (only because your guy isn’t in the White House)

A crook is a crook, plain and simple. I know you all want to gloss over Willard’s ugliness and he makes it harder to do every time he speaks. I find it all very entertaining watching you guys squirm.

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
11:23 pm

Also, to not apply his Mormonism to everything he does would be in direct conflict with Joseph Smith’s commandments. Their number one mission is to always be converting. That’s why their out canvasing neighborhoods every day. Man, you really don’t know very much about Willard, do you?

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
11:26 pm

How is a self professed “Mormon Priest” supposed to honor the separation of Church and State?

Gravy Train

September 20th, 2012
11:30 pm

You’re really going to bring up Willard’s record as governor? Funny. Especially when Willard has spent the last four years trying to run and flip flop from away from it.

Michael H. Smith

September 21st, 2012
1:19 am

There will still be a need for new projects, and money to fund them, but perhaps this is a sign “the reality of scarcity” is serving to get “the creative juices flowing among state transportation planners”.

There was no scarcity of corruption in the TSPLOST that failed to pass voter approval Kyle and fortunately for us the “creative juices” of one of its’ main backers (developers of the beltway project) will not have our money flowing to their project.

In fact, Kyle, the creative juices flowing among state transportation planners seemingly have more to do with serving the special interest of a lesser few, rather than bestowing any common good on the greater mass at large. Obviously there was no scarcity of this reality at the polls when we the “intelligent taxpayers” chose not to “give the government of a few”(listening Kasim?) another eternal tax that would likely never disappear.

Michael H. Smith

September 21st, 2012
1:30 am

Yeah and Obama has imposed his Marxist upbringing and indcotrination upon all of us.

OBAMA INFOMERCIAL

Interesting facts about the life of Obama most never knew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5CsrTMZAhA

Michael H. Smith

September 21st, 2012
1:39 am

Obama In 1998: “I Actually Believe In Redistribution”

More of Obama’s MARXIST CRAP!…..

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KusnNQBQkwo

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 21st, 2012
6:00 am

“It would work too, if it weren’t for the fact that Willard’s parents bank rolled his life”

And yet, they did not. Of course, you’re free to provide proof if you can find it.

“and he lives off of their investments.”

So? What is your beef about that? Besides your obvious wealth-envy.

“Also, you wing nuts have a very funny definition of success.”

Really? Because I thought that raising a family, being faithful to your spouse, helping your community and serving your state and nation was always a good indicator of success. What’s yours?

“By your definition, the drug cartels of Mexico are very successful too, because they have a lot of money.”

They are in their own way.

“It doesn’t matter how they got it, right? The ends justify any means, right?”

No it does, and no, it doesn’t.

“Can you afford to drop $50K on a plate of food?”

More wealth envy.

“If so, wouldn’t that money be better spent paying off the deficit you’re so worried about. (only because your guy isn’t in the White House)”

The deficit I’m worried about is caused by too much spending, not because there isn’t enough taxes.

“A crook is a crook, plain and simple.”

Ah, so now Romney is a “crook”. Please articulate the crimes he has committed / been arrested for / been convicted of.

“I know you all want to gloss over Willard’s ugliness and he makes it harder to do every time he speaks.”

I don’t consider him or his words ugly, therefore I have nothing to gloss over.

You, however, are a bigot. And we won’t even begin to further highlight your ugliness.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 21st, 2012
6:08 am

“You’re really going to bring up Willard’s record as governor?”

Yeah, I do. Let’s see . . . He balanced the state budget without raising taxes. He changed the way people pay for services by charging the people who needed services (like licensing and permits) for the services, rather than soaking the taxpayers for things they didn’t use. He lowered the state’s unemployment rate from over 6% to over 4% (which economists say is essentially full employment), and he did all that with a Democrat-controlled legislature made up of 90% liberal zealots.

“How is a self professed “Mormon Priest” supposed to honor the separation of Church and State?”

First, there is no separation of church and state in any government document. Try reading sometime. Next, he’d do the same as most elected officials who profess a belief in a particular religion and serves in office – nothing.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
7:24 am

Romney’s solution for those who want to help themselves “,,,money from your parents.” Which of our current Congressmen are also self professed “priests?” If you can’t see the problem with people throwing around $50K on a plate of food and then crying about taxes, it’s because you don’t want to. Regardless, the truth remains, and it looks like the electorate isn’t buying your version. Also, I have many friends who own successful businesses who also happen to be rational Republicans. They know that people like you (ditto-heads) and Willard (plutocrats) are killing their party. The separation of church and state is expressed in our Constitution (ever heard of freedom of and freedom from religion?) and the Supreme Court has ruled on many cases protecting it. I’m sorry that facts don’t have a place in your world.

Streetracer

September 21st, 2012
7:34 am

Gravy Train:

There are a few problems with the “facts” you have posted. First, Romney gave his entire inheiratance to BYU. Never lived off it.

Second, seems to me that POTUS has had a lot more $35,000 -$50,000 fund raisers than Romney.

iggy

September 21st, 2012
7:36 am

“Followed closely by ladders in the road. Why can’t people secure their ladders?”

Something on which Finn and I can agree. I would only add, coolers, matresses, retreads or as I call them “road gators”, milk crates and various other “big box” items.

Adjusting the speed limit with this latest gizmo is a waste of money. When I drive 285, during non-congestion hours, Im already crusing at 75, 80 and sometime 90 mph.

Just another pet project of some silly public sector employee with gifts and kickbacks for all. Just out of curiosity, what is the cost of each one of these signs?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
7:39 am

TBS: ……. don’t hide your bigotry behind “I’m tweaking you”………
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All that you’ve proven is that you don’t think very creatively.

Oh, and that you don’t know the meaning of words you use…like “bigot”!

Streetracer

September 21st, 2012
7:43 am

iggy:

As I said last night, most accidents and other traffic problems are caused by the nut that holds the steering wheel. While I don’t think that these signs will do much good, they may convince a few drivers to be more aware of what is happening ahead of them and plan better. Every little bit helps.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
7:47 am

Streetracer, Willard has already admitted that his parents bank rolled his life, why can’t you?

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
7:51 am

Maybe when you all get slaughtered at the polls again, it will force you all to take a hard look at why that is. Perhaps it will give you ample opportunity to purge the cancers out of your party and move back towards reality. A man can dream, can’t he?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
8:03 am

off topic but interesting to note:

Yesterday was to be the first debate between Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren at 7pm in Boston. Around 3pm, Scott Brown sends out a note saying he has to go back to Washington because his vote is needed in the Senate. Mwuahahahahahaha.

Almost immediately Harry Reid goes to the podium on the Senate floor, interrupts the Honorable Al Franken, and states “There will be no more votes in the Senate today.” Scott Brown turns around and heads back to Boston!

mwuahahahahahahhaha

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
8:05 am

I’m willing to bet one of the leading causes of rush hour accidents is lack of sleep. I think we should institute the “Siesta” in the workplace from noon to 2pm every working day.

Road Scholar

September 21st, 2012
9:25 am

“Actually, in today’s cars, the most economical speed is closer to 65 MPH. It’s been that way for well over a decade.”

Not according to my tachometer!

No Artificial Flavors

September 21st, 2012
9:28 am

“will make money at the gas pump since a car uses more gas at higher speeds!” -RS

It’s not 1970 anymore. My car get far better gas mileage cruising at 75 than 55.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
9:29 am

“Maybe when you all get slaughtered at the polls again…”
—————–

November 2010.

Road Scholar

September 21st, 2012
9:33 am

Finn: Like the siesta idea; encountered that in Italy. Two hours off right after lunch for a quick snooze. Most shops closed!

The biggest cause of accidents is preoccupation- with alcohol, texting, not paying attention, diverted attention, and….stupidity! Following too closely, speeding when conditions do not warrant it, and forgetting basic Physics…..two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time!

No Artificial Flavors

September 21st, 2012
9:36 am

@Roads Scholar, you forgot 26 inch rims. They don’t turn well.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
9:36 am

Wow. Some people really don’t understand how engines work. The harder an engine works, the more fuel it has to consume. Based on some of these people’s logic, a NASCAR must get 1,000 mpg. LOL!

No Artificial Flavors

September 21st, 2012
9:37 am

@gravy, you must not understand gearing and variable valve technology.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
9:48 am

Internal combustion engines are most efficient when running at the peak of their torque output curve, which is usually closer to “redline” than zero RPM.

JDW

September 21st, 2012
9:51 am

@LBB…”November 2010″

Ah yes the vaunted Good Ole Days that Republicans always long for…

Of course the reality of today is a bit different…

“Mitt Romney was expected to use a billionaire-fueled fundraising juggernaut to crush President Barack Obama’s once vaunted small-donor army. But things haven’t gone according to plan.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81499.html#ixzz276z5nwAl

OOPS

Then there are those pesky “toss ups” where Mitt must sweep to win…

Ohio 48.6 to 43.8 Obama +4.2
Virginia 50.2 to 45.5 Obama +4.7
Florida 48.1 to 46.0 Obama +2.1
New Hampshire 47.3 to 45.0 Obama +2.3
Iowa 45.0 to 44.8 Obama +0.2
Colorado 47.3 to 46.0 Obama +2.0
Nevada 49.0 to 45.7 Obama +3.3
North Carolina 45.0 to 49.8 Romney +2.7

And finally some Republicans with sense…

From WaPost

“Senior Republicans say they will be forced to retreat on taxes if President Obama wins a second term in November, clearing the biggest obstacle to a deal with Democrats to defuse a year-end budget bomb that threatens to rock the U.S. economy.”

Going to be a long hard Winter LBB…

JDW

September 21st, 2012
9:55 am

BTW re fuel economy…

“While each vehicle reaches its optimal fuel economy at a different speed (or range of speeds), gas mileage usually decreases rapidly at speeds above 50 mph.

You can assume that each 5 mph you drive over 50 mph is like paying an additional $0.26 per gallon for gas.”

Enough of the nonsense that “todays cars” get better mileage at higher speeds.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.shtml

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
9:57 am

JDW: ”November 2010″…Ah yes the vaunted Good Ole Days that Republicans always long for…
———————-

Nope. Just the last time a meaningful poll was taken.

When Americans vote, Republicans win.

Vote American.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:10 am

When Americans vote, Republicans win.

LOL! If these clowns would pull their heads out of the rears of plutocrats and stop clinging to Vietnam era politics, this state could actually make some progress. Oops, I used the ditto-head buzz word. LOL at LIl’ Barry and his Lil’ brain.

Guess what Lil’ Brain: I was born and raised right here in the USA, and I am damn sure not voting for Willard.

Only in the ditto-head world is voting for the destruction of the middle class considered “voting American.”

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:11 am

JDW is correct. Staying closer to 55 is much better on gas consumption.

Bring back the good ole days of MAX 55 mph on the highways? Oh heck no. It used to take forever to get anywhere.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:13 am

When Americans vote, Republicans win.

How about “When Americans vote, America wins”?

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that whole voter suppression initiative by the Republicans currently under way….

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:14 am

I would sooner vote for a thumb in the eye than vote for Willard. At least with the thumb in the eye I know what I’m getting and the pain will only be temporary.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:15 am

Only in the ditto-head world is voting for the destruction of the middle class considered “voting American.”
———————–

Median income down since Obozo took office.
Household net worth down since Obozo took office.
Unemployment higher since Obozo took office.
More on welfare since Obozo took office.
Gas price double what it was when Obozo took office.
Home prices lower than when Obozo took office.

You were saying?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:15 am

I know Cons hate science but here is more on the optimal speed being between 40 -60 mph:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-economy/question4771.htm

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:16 am

“When Americans vote, Republicans win”

How about “When Americans vote, America wins”?
—————–

Same thing.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:18 am

At least with the thumb in the eye…

…I know it’s my thumb and not the thumb of Willard, Bully in Chief.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:18 am

Cons hate science but here is more on the optimal speed being between 40 -60 mph
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My time is more valuable than any meager increase in cost to drive faster.

The parasites have all day to get where they’re going and no money for the next fillup, so they need your advice. I thank you on their behalf.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:18 am

You have to give it to the ditto-heads though. Not even they can stomach Willard, but for the sake of their party unity, they put on their brave face and pretend like they really like him. Yes, xenophobia and hatred are that powerful.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:19 am

Look up “diminishing returns” on the gas consumption thingy.

Ooops, more science. Kyle is gonna kick me!

JamVet

September 21st, 2012
10:20 am

Vote for Willard, vote for a coward.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:21 am

I know Lil’ Brain, Fox News says so, so it must be true, right? You’re pathetic.

zeke

September 21st, 2012
10:21 am

This will be as useless as the hov lanes, the toll hov lanes, the on ramp stop lights and most other such projects! You have to enforce the speed limits aggressively. You have to crack down seriously on aggressive drivers and those who radically lane change. If that means more cops, fine, put them on the roads, they pay for themselves! Marta nor any other mass transit plan will do anything to reduce congestion! The ONLY way to do that is to funnel traffic not going inside the perimeter of 285, AWAY FROM 285! Either the outer perimeter proposed in the late 80’s and early 90’s, or, several direct route around the city freeways are the only options! When you funnel every single vehicle into the perimeter area, even if they are going to Florida or SC, or TN or ALA, you get nothing but unneeded congestion! The only realistic project I saw proposed in the tax grab vote was one put out by Paulding, even though it was not in the 10 county plan. A direct route from 75 near Cartersville to 85 and 75 on the South side of 285! Just how many thousands of vehicles per day would be funneled away from the scourge of 285 and the inner city??

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:23 am

My time is more valuable than any meager increase in cost to drive faster.

Yep, I’m one of the people cruising along on my way to and fro work watching all the peeps jumping lanes, tailgating, blowing horns, pulling hair out.

Slow it down and enjoy the trip. Turn off Hannity and turn on something where you might hear something interesting. You shouldn’t have to rush to get to work.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:25 am

preach it zeke, preach it.

In another year or two we will find another post by Kyle regarding another hair-brained idea and Kyle will be saying “This is exactly the kind of smarter approach to fighting traffic congestion that we must embrace…”

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:33 am

Brace yourselves liberals, this is the idiocy we are fighting against:

Rush Limbaugh … attributed to feminists (”feminazis” as he puts it) the power to determine the size of male genitalia.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:36 am

JamVet, you are correct sir! How many “religious” deferments could one get from serving our nation during Vietnam? I don’t know what the legal limit was, but you can’t bet Willard does. I bet he got more than what was allowed.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:39 am

Cons got any new videos from 1998 they want to spring on us this morning?

I’m skeered just hinkin’ about it…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 21st, 2012
10:40 am

Willard got 4 deferments.

But now he says he wanted to go….ok.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:43 am

Having a politically connected millionaire father has it’s privileges. Never having to do any real work. Never having to worry about being drafted. Picking on people because they are different than you, having access to police uniforms and going around impersonating officers for fun and never having to worry about punishment. In Willard’s mind, success comes easy enough, you just have to be like him. I guess it’s just my fault that I didn’t have millionaire parents to finance my schemes or to bail me out when they didn’t work.

JamVet

September 21st, 2012
10:45 am

Gravy, I call him a coward for his recent actions and words – saying that he would not go after Osama Bin Laden and then accusing our embassy personnel of being sympathizers with their attackers.

The man is another unprincipled GOP neocon and chickenhawk. And after the last deadly and bungling one we had in the White House, and the catastrophic consequences thereof, we simply CANNOT take a chance on this one.

Fortunately, he is going to lose…

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:46 am

I guess it’s just my fault that I didn’t have millionaire parents to finance my schemes or to bail me out when they didn’t work.
—————–

43 months of 8-10% unemployment.

Bail us out from THAT.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:51 am

Lil’ Brain, what was the unemployment rate when Obama took office? What is it now? You’re just proving the notion that ditto-heads are terrible at basic math and need to be spoon fed their talking points. I know, next your going to give some negative regurgitation of Fox News on why that number has gone down. Still pathetic and so predictable.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:52 am

“after the last deadly and bungling one we had in the White House”
—————–

Benghazi embassy security on 9/11

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:54 am

Lil’ Brain, what was the unemployment rate when Obama took office?
——————–

7.8%

What is it now?

8.1%

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:55 am

I wonder if Tech fans, who support a team that has only beaten UGA once in the last ten years would complain if they beat UGA by a field goal this year, the same way ditto-heads like to complain about our current recovery?

JamVet

September 21st, 2012
10:55 am

Lil BB, that was their fault. Ask your candidate.

Or maybe Your President Bush!

OK, off to make a tee time.

Enjoy your blogging day…

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
10:57 am

Lil’ Brain doesn’t even want to use real numbers. LOL

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:57 am

Why did the Obozo administration take down their apology Tweet on 9/11/12?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
10:58 am

My numbers are only as real as Obozo’s Bureau of Labor Statistics’ numbers, as that is my source.

Iowa St Fair

September 21st, 2012
10:58 am

Lil Barry: You are incorrect. When shifting you are correct, but that is not the case for the overall most efficient point of running the engine. Nice try. Close but no cigar.

The engine in a car cruising on a highway is usually operating significantly below its ideal load, because it is designed for the higher loads required for rapid acceleration

iggy

September 21st, 2012
10:59 am

Same here. I tend to get the best gas mileage at around 70 mph. At 75 mph or over there a dramtic decrease begins. At 85 or over gas mileage is pretty awful.

Iowa St Fair

September 21st, 2012
11:01 am

How are the polls and electoral college projections going?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:04 am

Iowa St Fair: Lil Barry: You are incorrect. Nice try. Close but no cigar.
————————

Whatever.

“Engine efficiency peaks in most applications at around 75% of rated engine power, which is also the range of greatest engine torque”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:06 am

How are the deficit and national debt going?

Iowa St Fair

September 21st, 2012
11:11 am

RPM and engine power are not one in the same, right?

Iowa St Fair

September 21st, 2012
11:13 am

Romney is in trouble. You can make up all the excuses you like. Heck the Senate which seemed to going Republican is in jeopardy.

At least you know Eddie Monster will be back in Congress to give us more of those budgets that will only work with a 2.8% unemployment rate…..

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:13 am

No, RPM and engine power are quite different things. Why do you ask such a silly question?

Iowa St Fair

September 21st, 2012
11:15 am

they are close, but not one in the same

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 21st, 2012
11:15 am

“The separation of church and state is expressed in our Constitution (ever heard of freedom of and freedom from religion?)”

Gravy Train, you’re truly an idiot.

The words (as I stated above) “separation of church and state” do NOT appear in any founding government document such as the U.S. Constitution. Epic lack of knowledge on your part.

Now to your other point. There are no words expressing “freedom FROM religion” in the Constitution, either. The 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights expresses that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” (as in, you are free to choose any religion you choose and that there can be no “government” religion) but that is all.

You may return to your irrational screed now.

Bigot.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:15 am

(Before embarrassing yourself further, you might study some power/RPM and torque/RPM curves for typical internal combustion engines).

Iowa St Fair

September 21st, 2012
11:16 am

you went from RPM to engine power………

You are not being coherent?

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 21st, 2012
11:18 am

“Gravy, I call him a coward for his recent actions and words – saying that he would not go after Osama Bin Laden and then accusing our embassy personnel of being sympathizers with their attackers.”

Another day, another AmVet lie.

Romney never said he wouldn’t go after Bin Laden. He merely stated that would not be his SOLE use of resources to fight terrorism.

No Artificial Flavors

September 21st, 2012
11:18 am

Also, why do you think many luxury sedans are now produced with tall 7 and 8 gearboxes? They simply maximize the efficiency of their engines at cruising speeds delivering darn good gas mileage at higher speeds.

No Artificial Flavors

September 21st, 2012
11:18 am

Anyhow, I welcome variable speed limits

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:22 am

Iowa St Fair: you went from RPM to engine power…
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No, I linked to an article that stated that peak efficiency occurs at the same point at which the greatest torque output occurs, which is what I had stated previously.

Is there something you’re confused about? I’m here to help.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:31 am

Tall final drive ratios are beneficial because they reduce engine noise and vibration, as well as engine wear. Engines with flatter torque curves, which can be better achieved with todays electronic controls and variable valve timing, can be run at lower speeds without much dropoff in efficiency. Transmission gear ratios are selected to balance these factors.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
11:32 am

Yes, Tiberious, you are so right. That’s why our children start every day with a school wide prayer to the Christian God, right? You are the idiot. Now go study the Supreme Court’s rulings on the issue and how they interpret the very clause you are quoting. I never said those exact words appear in any document, rather that there is implied meaning in them. Another day, another ditto-head distorting facts. Plus, you can call me whatever you wish. Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t make it true.

JDW

September 21st, 2012
11:36 am

@LBB…”My time is more valuable than any meager increase in cost to drive faster.”

Now that is a whole different argument than this nonsense…

“Internal combustion engines are most efficient when running at the peak of their torque output curve, which is usually closer to “redline” than zero RPM.”

They may go faster closer to redline…but they burn more fuel.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:39 am

They go faster closer to redline?

Tell us more, Captain Obvious!

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
11:41 am

Ditto-head rule number one: If you don’t have any facts or logic to back your claim, simply make some up.

Ditto-head rule number two: If rule number one is not working, resort to whining and name calling.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 21st, 2012
11:42 am

“That’s why our children start every day with a school wide prayer to the Christian God, right?”

Some do. many do not. many say their own in the silence of their own mind.

Bigot.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
11:42 am

Children chant ‘Death to America’

This comes a day after about 100 small children in Karachi repeated anti-American slogans during a protest in the coastal Pakistani city, a police official said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/20/world/anti-islam-protests/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
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Guess they didn’t hear about Obozo’s Nobel peace prize.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

September 21st, 2012
11:45 am

Religious bigot rule # 1: Attack a man on his religious beliefs only.

Religious bigot rule # 2: When called out, switch to making up stories regarding the previous target.

Religious bigot rule # 3: When exposed for rule # 2, resort to wealth envy.

Religious bigot rule # 4: Recycle until you are proven to be an idiot and a bigot.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
11:55 am

Thanks for proving me right!

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
11:57 am

Also, I must be rather “envious” of my own family, huh? I guess it depends on your definition of wealth.

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
12:00 pm

Tiberius must be a Mormon who doesn’t want anyone else to know how he operates. Why else would he be so offended by an open and honest discussion of their cult?

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
12:09 pm

Man do they get red-faced when you point out the absurdities…

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
12:26 pm

Gravy, your messiah Obozo believes the deaf and blind can be healed by laying on of hands and a dead guy can live again. Oh, the absurdities!

Gravy Train

September 21st, 2012
12:33 pm

If I were to pick a “messiah” I would say his name is Jesus. I’ll pray that you can find peace and an end for all of your hatred. Do you realize that people like you are one of the biggest reasons Willard is headed for yet another defeat? I know people who are voting not necessarily for Obama, but rather against Willard and troglodytes like yourself. So please, do keep popping off at the mouth.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

September 21st, 2012
12:36 pm

Gravy, Obozo’s cult really has some odd beliefs! How do they square with science?