2012 Tuesday: What Romney got right about Obama and dependency, where he went wrong
So it appears that, with the Muslim world burning and reports that some but not all embassies were on alert for possible security threats on the 9/11 anniversary last week, with unemployment still so high and the Obama administration’s policies still so ineffective that the Federal Reserve has resorted to a new round of printing money — with all that, we’re nevertheless doomed to another round of debate about another “gaffe” by Mitt Romney.
That gaffe consists of Romney’s remarks, during a a closed-door fund-raiser four months ago, when he said, in part:
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what …
And I mean the president starts off with 48, 49 … he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to convince the five to ten percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.
This is, of course, exactly the kind of sentiment you can hear on, say, Neal Boortz’s radio show: the idea that the nation is reaching a tipping point of “makers” vs. “takers,” of people who pay income taxes vs. people who receive benefits funded by those taxes (and debt).
Is it the kind of thing a presidential candidate should say? No. Is it true that all 47 percent — that statistic is correct, by the way — are “moochers”? No.
But here’s another question: What about Barack Obama’s political career, including his presidency, refutes the broader point Romney made?
Is it the cradle-to-grave dependent “Julia,” about whom the Obama campaign constructed a narrative describing her inability to make it in America without government aid?
Is it the fact that food-stamp spending is on pace to more than double between 2008 and 2013?
Is it the fact that Obama’s signature legislative achievement would have the effect of making even more people — what’s that word again? — dependent on government for their health insurance?
So there are two aspects to Romney’s remarks. The first is the underlying substance of what he said, which boils down to the basic conservative critique of Obama specifically and liberalism in general: that they are highly, maybe even chiefly, interested expanding government and Americans’ dependence on it. Is anyone actually surprised by this? Does anyone think this is not a large part of what this election is about?
The second is the way he phrased it, and that did his candidacy no favors. If nothing else, he should have acknowledged that not all of the “47 percent” are dependent on government, that many of the ones who are dependent would prefer not to be, and that it is worthwhile to try to persuade at least some of the holdouts.
But I’m not sure it will be overly damaging to him, either. For starters, I agree with Ben Domenech that many members of the “47 percent” do not think they are members. How many people will hear that and think Romney was talking about them?
Going further, how many people will hear that and be offended by Romney’s remarks? And, adding the two groups together, how many of them were still actually considering voting for Romney anyway?
I would suggest we’re not talking about a very large number of people here. Now, in a close race, even a relatively small number of people can have a significant effect. But, with almost two months still to go in a campaign with much bigger issues front and center, I’m not sure a significant number of voters will make their decision even in part on Romney’s remarks at a fund-raiser back in May.
It is, however, one more reason for Romney to get back to playing offense on the economy and the size and scope of government — and soon.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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They BOTH suck
September 18th, 2012
11:48 am
Both sides jump all over the gaffes of the other side.
I agree that Romney’s comments will not be swaying many voters one way or the other.
We will be talking about something else by tomorrow
Sick of Progs
September 18th, 2012
11:50 am
I wish campaign ads contained something of substance, rather than a candidate’s gaffes, but these remarks will likely be run over and over by the Obama propoganda machine..er the media. They’ll do anything to prop up the emperor who wore no clothes.
Tom
September 18th, 2012
11:51 am
Mitt Romney is a sterling example of individual responsibility. For example, to make the down payment on his first house, he took the individual responsibility of cashing in some stock his parents gave him. It truly brings a tear to the eye.
Romney’s larger point is undeniable: it’s millionaires and billionaires who are the REAL victims here.
SBinF
September 18th, 2012
11:51 am
Boneheaded statement. To imply that the half of the electorate that support Obama are freeloaders is patently false. First, folks with lower income are far less likely to vote. He’s making it seem as though every voting age American actually votes. I work a job, and pay a higher percentage of my income in income taxes than does Romney. I’ll be supporting Obama. The irony of course is that Romney would pay 0 taxes if he could get away with it. He already has a team of lawyers to ensure he pays as little as possible.
Del
September 18th, 2012
11:52 am
“It is, however, one more reason for Romney to get back to playing offense on the economy and the size and scope of government — and soon.”
Kyle, spot on
JF McNamara
September 18th, 2012
11:52 am
I think you are missing some of the point. As he said, a lot of undecideds will go with the person they like the most. Does this make him seem more or less likable? It’s really that simple.
SBinF
September 18th, 2012
11:53 am
“My job is not to worry about those people”
Is NOT a gaffe. He’s aspiring to the highest office in the land with the largest constituency of any elected office…and he’s already said that he’s not worried about folks that don’t vote for him. Mitt is proof that money can’t buy class.
TGT
September 18th, 2012
11:53 am
Obama basically advocates for infanticide, says that he doesn’t want his young daughters “punished with a baby” if they become untimely pregnant, denigrates “bitter” Americans that “cling to their guns and religion”, etc. etc.–AND HALF OF HIS CONVENTION BOOS GOD!!! (And not to mention our economic and foreign policy woes, because Kyle already has.)
Yet Romney is the one out of touch.
The Anti-wooten
September 18th, 2012
11:53 am
These are in no way gaffes, they are what truly resides in the heart and mind of the Republican nominee for president of the United States.
He does not care about most American’s, only those that reside in certain tax brackets.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
11:54 am
47 percent — that statistic is correct
Which 47 percent, Kyle?
SBinF
September 18th, 2012
11:54 am
Yeah…Romney’s doing so much offense that he calls a 10 pm press conference to run damage control.
It seems every day his campaign takes incompetence to new heights. This was his election to lose, and he’s doing a good job of it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
11:56 am
there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them,
All members of the 47% of the population that will vote for Obama are dependent upon government? believe they are victims? Believe government is responsible for caring for them?
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
11:58 am
Finn: I was talking about this one: “Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
12:02 pm
The world is blowing up, the mideast is melting down.
All you people look over there and just ignore the fact the guy I want to run this country is a bully, an arsewipe who isn’t interested in the plight of the poor and working class unless it hurts his (and his buddies) bank accounts.
Never mind that we want to elect someone from the group of people that was foremost responsible for the economic collapse of the country 5 years ago to the highest post in the land. They effed it up so bad we want to make them the leaders.
Worry about the mideast and just ignore this stuff, ok?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
12:03 pm
Kyle, you really think that 47% is made up of Obama voters? I’d like to see some stats but I’m willing to bet the biggest group of moochers are the poor white people glued into Fox News and bound and determined to vote for Romney.
Del
September 18th, 2012
12:03 pm
50% of the population now depends on the federal government for some form of financial assistance. That’s a non-sustainable course and Romney pointing that out is fair game, however, as he admitted his comment lacked elegance. I agree that this won’t be news worthy for very long just as Obama’s off the cuff comment during the 08 campaign about clinging to guns and religion didn’t last long.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
12:06 pm
some form of financial assistance.
Like farm subsidies and small business loans backed by the federal government? Did you not know that those subsidies provide the cash to meet payrolls so, in effect, even those working and paying taxes are dependent on the federal government.
Mr. Holmes
September 18th, 2012
12:07 pm
So it appears that, with the Muslim world burning and reports that some but not all embassies were on alert for possible security threats on the 9/11 anniversary last week, with unemployment still so high and the Obama administration’s policies still so ineffective that the Federal Reserve has resorted to a new round of printing money — with all that, we’re nevertheless doomed to another round of debate about another “gaffe” by Mitt Romney.
Let me fix that lede for you, Kyle: In spite of all the chaos in the Middle East that we would make worse by threatening to carpet-bomb anyone who looks at us or Israel crossways, in spite of the fact that after nearly three years of steady positive growth we still have not climbed out of the economic hole dug by Dubya’s tax cuts and warmongering (see point #1, above), and despite the fact that the Federal Reserve continues to attempt (effectually or not) to contribute to economic recovery regardless of which party holds the White House … we are nevertheless doomed to talk about what a spectacularly bad presidential candidate we on the Right have foisted upon ourselves by either voting out or scaring away every other halfway sane person who wanted the job.
There. Better.
Pizzaman
September 18th, 2012
12:09 pm
Willard’s statement was how he feels about the “poor” and those of us on “government” handout’s. I ‘m one. I’m Military retirement and Social Security. Both funded all or in part by the Government so Willard doesn’t want my vote. I’m not “his” type and he wont even compete for me.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
12:10 pm
Conservative voter: “Is Michelle Bachmann still available?”
ByteMe
September 18th, 2012
12:13 pm
Finn: I was talking about this one: “Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”
Turns out that stat is only correct for that one particular year being used. In 2007, the number was something like 37-38%. Only the Great Recession forced more people onto unemployment, food stamps, and into retirement. And lately, the number has been much better and is on path to go back to its norm. But they picked the worst year in a while to use as their measuring stick.
The flaw in Romney’s thinking is that he’s not looking to capture those people’s votes until they see the world his way. That’s not a winning message that he and his surrogates have been pushing.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
12:15 pm
I guess all the mentally retarded people are lazy? Glad we have Republicans to represent the christian way of thinking!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
September 18th, 2012
12:15 pm
“He’s aspiring to the highest office in the land with the largest constituency of any elected office…and he’s already said that he’s not worried about folks that don’t vote for him.”
I was waiting for someone of SBinF’s ilk to run with this comment, and use it (as usual) without the follow-on context.
This is the same argument the libs have about him releasing his taxes. There is NOTHING Romney can do or say that will change your minds or your votes, so why should he do or say anything YOU want him to?
Once in office, he’s made it plain that he’ll work for everyone, but he doesn’t have to court everyone’s VOTES. Because if his name was Obama and he had an “R” next to it, 47 % of voters still wouldn’t vote for him.
Was it “inelegant”? Yes. But it was, and will always be, absolutely 100% correct.
Mr. Holmes
September 18th, 2012
12:16 pm
I mean, c’mon people. Let’s call it like it is: Mitt Romney is probably the worst major-party presidential candidate since … heck, since forever for me, with a personal memory bank that only runs back to maybe the 1984 campaign.
Put aside whether you support him or not: Have you ever seen someone at this stage of the game make so many unforced errors? It’s flabbergasting. And you can lay it all at the feet of the two-headed hydra that is the modern GOP. Whether it happens after this election or not, those two heads are going to eat each other at some point, probably sooner than later.
snoqualmiefalls
September 18th, 2012
12:17 pm
I notice Mittens talks a the game about people being dependent on the gov’t.. however he fails to address our military vets… you know the ones who are taking federal benefits such as education or VA hospitals. So this is the way Mitt respects our vets who risked their lives every day to protect us… thanks Mitt that’s real patriotic of you.
JPP
September 18th, 2012
12:18 pm
Really reaching Kyle, Romney has said before he’s not worried about poor people, so why is this a shock?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
September 18th, 2012
12:18 pm
“This was his election to lose, and he’s doing a good job of it.”
In what universe? He’s had the fawning sycophants of the mainstream media against him from day one.
Always hard to swim against a current of negative press, especially if you’re not the one generating it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
September 18th, 2012
12:21 pm
Wasn’t it Joe Biden who said it was patriotic to pay taxes?
Why aren’t Obama voters patriotic?
Skip
September 18th, 2012
12:21 pm
You all do know that the 47% is a fluid demographic ? Or is that too complicated for the cons?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
12:21 pm
He’s had the fawning sycophants of the mainstream media against him from day one
Always someone else to blame for the Cons.
Centrist
September 18th, 2012
12:23 pm
This is a liberal media event. Everything he said is true.
Unfortunately, we have come to a point where Democrats are willing to sacrifice our nation’s wealth and well-being to get elected/ re-elected. This was forseen centuries ago:
“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that every democracy will finally collapse
due to loose fiscal policy ..”
- Alexander Tytler, a Scottish lawyer, writer, professor, and historian 1787
willie lynch
September 18th, 2012
12:23 pm
Where is Romney’s winning argument against President Obama without an indictment of Congressional Republicans? It appears that the lack of an Obama economic success has much to do with the successful ability of the right to thwart the “socialist agenda” that President Obama has tried to implement.
The fact that food stamp spending is on pace to double is because the failed economic policies of the prior administration caused the catastrophe that has placed more people on the unemployment rolls. They do have to eat you know.
The clearest example of the lack of concern for ordinary Americans came in the Republican response to the recent QE3 announcement. The Republicans decided to cry “He’s helping the President.” Instead of saying “In these difficult times although we may disagree with the Fed, but this move will help Americans in the short term and we will work with the President to end this problem of economic stagnation.”
Until the Republicans can look up from the talking points memos and see the real world they’re doomed.
And Reince Priebus? Total joke!
Ernesto
September 18th, 2012
12:23 pm
I think this “gaffe” is significant to many voters. I hope to see more of these from both candidates so people get know their real intentions.
If elections were held today, Romney would not become president.
MarkV
September 18th, 2012
12:24 pm
“How many people will hear that and think Romney was talking about them?”
Well, let’s see. I would think that people know whether they pay income taxes or not and, therefore, whether Romney was talking about them. And so here we have about half of 47% of Americans who work for living but do not pay taxes because their income is too low, and Romney tells them that he will “never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” I would guess that that is a fair number of people who may feel insulted.
Del
September 18th, 2012
12:27 pm
I see that the far-left Kool-Aid drinkers have gotten themselves an early start. Of course they hope it gets off the ugly truth about Obama’s state department that failed miserably in providing proper security for our Libyan ambassador and his staff, which led to their death. It also distracts from the failed Obama foreign policy that’s on display in the Middle East along within Central and Southeast Asia.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
12:27 pm
Between blaming our embassy personnel for sympathizing with their attackers and now this idiotic stunt, old Foot in Mouth Mitt might as well throw in the towel.
If he keeps this up for the next seven weeks, this could well turn into an electoral college slaughter along the lines of the last election…
Mr. Holmes
September 18th, 2012
12:29 pm
It’s been well-reported that General Electric paid no U.S. corporate tax for 2010 and in fact claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion on its corporate return.
Can we all then agree that GE is a freeloading corporate citizen, that it will never accept responsibility for itself, and that it is utterly dependent on government for its very existence? Can I get an amen?
MarkV
September 18th, 2012
12:30 pm
SBinF @ 11:53 am
I think we should not do what the Republicans did when they took the “you did not built that” totally out of concept and distorted the meaning of Obama’s words. When Romney said “My job is not to worry about those people” he clearly meant it as a candidate talking about voters, not as a potential president talking about citizens.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
12:30 pm
Mr. Holmes,
..that government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations shall not perish from the earth. ~Abraham Lincoln
ByteMe - Got ilk?
September 18th, 2012
12:32 pm
Who knew that Mitt Romney would be playing the role of Sarah Palin this cycle?
Mr. Holmes
September 18th, 2012
12:33 pm
Corporations are people, my friend. –W. Mittens Romney
Del
September 18th, 2012
12:34 pm
Mr. Holmes be careful GE’s CEO Jeffery Immelt is a good friend of president Obama’s. He’s trying to find ways to create jobs here as he ships GE jobs to China.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
12:34 pm
…not as a potential president talking about citizens.
I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it. ~Mitt Romney
Riiiiight!
Mitt is gonna “fix” the safety net for the very poor”!!!! IF it needs fixing!!!
As a Republican???
HUGE LOL!
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
“Going further, how many people will hear that and be offended by Romney’s remarks? ”
Kyle, how many voters will hear that and decide that the next POTUS should be working for ALL Americans and not just the wealthy ones???
I guess we’ll find out in November!
jconservative
September 18th, 2012
12:41 pm
First, Romney is just wrong about that group – the 47% – all being Obama supporters. A huge percentage of that group are Obama haters, he is black, a Muslim, and a non-citizen, and they are going to vote for Romney, not Obama. I discuss the election with dozens of people who are in that group every day and just about all are Romney voters for the reasons I listed.
Second, the economy is worse than at any point in the last 80 years, unemployment is over 8% for 4 straight years, the deficits are $1 trillion a year and the national debt is over $16 trillion. And Romney is losing to this president! A huge percentage says the country is on the wrong track and Romney is losing to this president!
The issue is the Romney campaign, or the lack thereof. Nothing else.
I am terribly afraid that Romney has sunk his own ship.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
September 18th, 2012
12:42 pm
This maybe the last nail in Cheesy Grits coffin.
willie lynch
September 18th, 2012
12:43 pm
MarkV
September 18th, 2012
12:30 pm
But the Republicans built a whole convention around the “you didn’t build that” theme. I agree with you about using words without full context but unfortunately the Republicans hung their hat so high in this area they’d be hard pressed to cry foul.
Just politics.
getalife
September 18th, 2012
12:47 pm
Psst, the wealthy does not need you to bow down for them cons.
They will be fine so stop the mindless bending over for the wealthy.
Time to focus on the middle class and stop voting against them.
Lets get some more of that Clinton peace and prosperity.
Join us.
Dearie
September 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
Far less was made over this Biden statement, which is thoroughly offensive, than what Romney said which is a statement of a statistic ~ 47% of Americans DO NOT PAY TAXES. We all know what Biden meant, no matter how HE tried to play it…. and we all know what Romney meant no matter how the PRESS tried to play it.
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
Goldie: He was plainly talking about his job as a candidate. The context of his remarks makes that clear.
Truth Squad
September 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
The truth is that there are more tapes out there. It is sad when people know the news before the so-called professional journalist and opinion makers get around to it. These tapes have been on YouTube for awhile now.
As predicted over a year ago, it is now September and the race for the presidency is over. Also, there will be no Republican capture of the Senate and the House of Representatives is up for grabs.
As for the rioting in the Middle East, since when is that news? It is not like it is a rare occurrence over there. But since you mentioned it Kyle, why not include a mention to those who gave their lives trying to protect our people? I thank them for at least trying.
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
12:49 pm
Cheesy Grits: How many “last nails” have you declared now?
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
Truth Squad: “it is now September and the race for the presidency is over.”
The RCP average has Obama leading by 3 points and falling, and consistently below 50 percent. Why are so many people so eager to declare such a competitive race “over”?
getalife
September 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
Lets give our President a new Dem house to finish cleaning up w’s mess.
Lets focus on the middle class instead of the wealthy.
Lets make them govern for all the American people not just the wealthy.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
September 18th, 2012
12:53 pm
A huge percentage of that group are Obama haters, he is black, a Muslim, and a non-citizen, and they are going to vote for Romney, not Obama.
Far more white people on welfare than black very true.
Jaynie
September 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
My daughter and son-in-law both worked, went to college, got laid off and did not pay tax because they had no jobs. Mitt Romney is completley out of touch with the average person that makes up that 47%. I am fortunate enough to work, pay taxes AND be offended by Mr. Romney’s statement. I don’t think either party has taken the high ground in this election, but I do believe Mr. Romney has reached trhe bottom.
MadMax
September 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Goldie et al – reading comprehension is a valued trait. He said this in context of trying to win their votes, not in context of how he would run the office. Go back to Bookman’s distortion of the day site and you can find all the village ______s howling at the moon.
getalife
September 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
All this talk about taxes reminds me of something.
Lets see romney’s taxes for the last ten years.
No, I will not trust him.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Akin, Hurricane, Clint, Marathon Math, Plane crash, Judas meeting: How much luck can one campaign enjoy?
md
September 18th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Nearly six in 10, or 58 percent, say the rich don’t pay enough in taxes, while 26 percent believe the rich pay their fair share and 8 percent say they pay too much.”
In a progressive tax system, there’s your sign………..
And Romney hit the nail on the head…..the ones that don’t like the comment are more than likely members of that 47%.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
1:00 pm
“Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election” ~Bloomberg News
yuzeyurbrane
September 18th, 2012
1:01 pm
Kyle, your argument lacks logic. If, as you admit, most of the 47% to which Romney, referred are not parasites then what programs would you cut? And how does that provide a justification for more supply side tax cuts for the “makers”? It is then not a fact based argument but an ideological argument based on a desire to return to an idyllic Victorian era that never was idyllic for most people. But let Romney make that argument, as I think you suggest, and let’s find out where the American people (i.e. the 100% minus the hundreds of thousands or more being disenfranchised through voter suppression schemes) in this election.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
1:02 pm
Kyle @ 12:48 — and those voters are supposed to go ahead and vote him in, hoping that he will start working for them after Nov.6th? Really???
Wow!
md
September 18th, 2012
1:03 pm
And I agree, Romney is done, Obama will win in a landslide…….so no need to go to the polls and vote, it’s in the bag.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
1:04 pm
“Was it “inelegant”? Yes. But it was, and will always be, absolutely 100% correct.”
So he’s rather be right than President?
MarkV
September 18th, 2012
1:05 pm
JamVet @12:34 pm
willie lynch @ 12:43 pm
I understand what you are saying, but it still it is better not to give the Republicans any weapon in their hands. Lt’s just enjoy the gift Romney has given the Democrats in the rest of his comments.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
1:07 pm
‘Finn: I was talking about this one: “Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.””
Success index!! Half-way to the end game of tax cuts…
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
Goldie: Right or wrong, he was saying he doesn’t expect them to vote for him.
Did you actually watch the video or read the transcript, or just jump straight to bashing him?
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
Funny md
iggy
September 18th, 2012
1:09 pm
The majority of the 47% are too stupid/boneheaded to understand basic supply/demand entitilements so Romney is correct.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
1:09 pm
“Romney said in the video that his role “is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”
Only an arrogant jerk would believe that the poor believe they will always be poor and that they don’t take personal responsibility for their lives! Shame on you Cons for supporting this terrible candidate for President!
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
1:09 pm
Btw, Obama’s post-convention bounce is now completely gone, according to Gallup: Today’s tracking poll shows Obama up 47-46, exactly where he was before the DNC began.
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:10 pm
Do you cons actually believe he would help the middle class?
Do you actually trust him on his taxes?
Why do you cons bow down for the wealthy when you are middle class?
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
1:10 pm
“From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that every democracy will finally collapse
due to loose fiscal policy ..”
So America is not exceptional?
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Kyle, because there is this quaint little convention called the electoral college.
And it is there that Romney is in very bad shape.
And with these recent serial blunders, it is hard to believe that he is helping himself in the swing states.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
from Salon.com:
At the same time Romney trashes half the nation for not paying taxes, he tells his millionaire donors that his plan is to lower their taxes even further! Here’s the critical segment (emphasis mine):
“47% of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect.”
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
“Right or wrong, he was saying he doesn’t expect them to vote for him.”
Yeah, Kyle, you can try to gloss over the fact that he said what I quoted @ 1:09 — and yes, I saw the video last night several times before going to bed. Thanks for asking!
md
September 18th, 2012
1:14 pm
” Lt’s just enjoy the gift Romney has given the Democrats”
And there in lies the whole point of his comments……those democrats weren’t going to vote for him anyhow, so where exactly is the gift?
It’s a pretty clear choice, stay on the road of bigger gov’t that drains the private sector and grows the debt or allow that private sector to take off and generate enough capital to run the system AND pay off the debt. 1.5% growth is not the way to pay for all those programs we all seem to want…….
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 18th, 2012
1:15 pm
Only 49 days till Myth Robme goes away… OBAMA …2012
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:16 pm
I think if you cons don’t care about romney’s 8000 tax increase on the middle class so they get another 250000 tax cut to add to the deficit, just write a check to government for 8000 when you vote gop.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 18th, 2012
1:16 pm
Outsource the GOP.
sharon
September 18th, 2012
1:16 pm
Romney got it all wrong about that 47% being Obama supporters. You talk to any toothless, hillbilly or backwoods dweller and they will tell you they are Romney supporters. The majority of the people living in the small “neck of the woods” towns are Romney supporters. The pick up driving tobbacco chewers are Romeny supporters. I highly doubt they are tax payers.
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
1:17 pm
JamVet: Most of those races are close too, at least as far as we can tell based on (largely outdated) polling in those states. And six of the nine swing states (according to RCP’s count) have GOP governors; one of the other three (N.C.) is about to elect one. The ability of those governors to help Romney with their ground games in their states — or inability to do so — will be a big factor.
Long way to go. Still.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 18th, 2012
1:17 pm
Walmart Cons will still vote for Robme..
Don Abernethy
September 18th, 2012
1:18 pm
Socialist (Democrats) always attack people who own a business and those who have worked hard to be successful. They want to take their money and give it to those who do not work and pay taxes.
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
1:18 pm
Goldie: I never said you quoted him inaccurately, just incompletely. He’s clearly talking in terms of the election. The people he’s describing might not trust him to govern any differently if elected, but that’s another matter.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 18th, 2012
1:18 pm
Myth’s video shows how out of touch he is with reality.
Verbal Kint
September 18th, 2012
1:19 pm
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Akin, Hurricane, Clint, Marathon Math, Plane crash, Judas meeting: How much luck can one campaign enjoy?
Meanwhile…JayZ and Beyonce fundraiser and the Letterman show for Hussein!!
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
September 18th, 2012
1:19 pm
Just when you cons thought Herman Cain was the biggest douche.
Buzzy
September 18th, 2012
1:19 pm
Another Romney fail. Now he’s called half the country dreadbeats.
What if Obama’s poll numbers climb to 55%? I guess Romney will say that 55% of the country are deadbeats.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
1:20 pm
By way of useless personal observation, Mitt reminds me of the old guard Republicans.
In his demeanor and hubris he is pretty similar to those haughty little pr1cks of yore – Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan with a touch of McCarthy throw in to appease the red (get it?) meat element of the GOP.
He now appears to have given this election to Obama, and that is a real shame.
Perhaps the next GOP candidate can shed the 30 year old neocon demons of their past and see if they successfully can run their inter-party gauntlet that allows no moderates, no centrists, no compromise and no accommodation.
Until then the Dems will have the White House for the foreseeable future…
md
September 18th, 2012
1:20 pm
“Only an arrogant jerk would believe that the poor believe they will always be poor and that they don’t take personal responsibility for their lives! ”
That head in the sand mentality is one of the reasons we are in debt up to our ears…..I have many in my own family that have no desire or motivation to make much of themselves, the law of averages says my family isn’t the only one………
When 1/3 of kids are choosing to drop out of school, it’s a bit hard to comprehend that they are doing everything they can to not be poor and take responsibility for themselves………….they drop out of one taxpayer program and then end up in several others and that is supposed to be taking care of oneself??
We choose everything we do……….
Verbal Kint
September 18th, 2012
1:20 pm
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:16 pm
I think if you cons don’t care about romney’s 8000 tax increase on the middle class so they get another 250000 tax cut to add to the deficit, just write a check to government for 8000 when you vote gop.
Source please?
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
1:21 pm
Keep, the faith Kyle, and bet the mortgage (j/k) on your long shot!
Road Scholar
September 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
I didn’t mean what I said! Let me clarify my comments! Even if he released his tax returns, Romney would blame it on his tax attorney! Shed the teflon coat, Mitt. Answer the questions truthfully and COMPLETELY. Let’s start with one:
What tax deductions will you eliminate in your tax plan?
Crickets!
king of mean
September 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
We are reading too much into the “can’t worry about those people” meaning he can’t worry about their vote because he knows he’s not getting it. He’s talking about those folks votes – not the folks.
meanwhile – we’ve got a dead ambassador some family members are trying to bury while this president goes on Late Night TV and fundraising with Jayzee and Beyonce…
I’ve got an idea – Jimmy Carters grandson is unemployed. let’s make him the next ambassador to Lybia…
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
1:23 pm
“Socialist (Democrats) always attack people who own a business and those who have worked hard to be successful. They want to take their money and give it to those who do not work and pay taxes.”
Any questions?
iggy
September 18th, 2012
1:23 pm
“47% of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect.”
agreed. The only message that connects is more “freebies” and of course its for “the children”. Just disregard the lazy parents who refuse to flush the toilet behind themselves.
BUMS!
Verbal Kint
September 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
President Obama’s jobs record (unemployment %)is worse than the last 11 presidents…..combined!
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ObamaMonthsUnemployment.png
Chip
September 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
I WANT MY FREE STUFF! GIMME MY FREE STUFF OR I’LL RIOT AND BURN DOWN MY NEIGHBORHOOD (THEN DEMAND YOU PAY TO REBUILD IT). I AIN’T GONNA WORK! TAX THE RICH AND GIMME GIMME GIMME!
Folks, THAT’S who Romney was talking about… but of course, as usual, the libs are screaming about mean old Republicans tossing Grandma off a cliff… and starving the orphans… and nuking the whales… and cutting down the rainforest… and drowning the polar bears… and so on and so forth… same old mentally ill hysterical nonsense…
MarkV
September 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
md @1:14 pm “And there in lies the whole point of his comments……those democrats weren’t going to vote for him anyhow, so where exactly is the gift?”
It is in the arithmetic. If the 47% of the electorate were the ONLY people voting for Obama, Romney might have a point – insulting them would not change anything. But that is clearly not the case, therefore, a fair number of those 47percenters would have voted for Romney, and may change their mind when they are insulted.
Road Scholar
September 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
Just saying: Are you that stupid?
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:25 pm
Verbal Kint .
President Obama’s campaign ad.
I am sure he will make one on the real mitt romney.
He finally talked about his Mexican roots so I need to see his long form birth certificate and his taxes.
Thanks, never trust and always verify.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
1:28 pm
“Perhaps the next GOP candidate can shed the 30 year old neocon demons of their past and see if they successfully can run their inter-party gauntlet that allows no moderates, no centrists, no compromise and no accommodation.”
Maybe putting it in ALL CAPS would help…
md
September 18th, 2012
1:28 pm
“But that is clearly not the case, therefore, a fair number of those 47percenters would have voted for Romney, and may change their mind when they are insulted.”
And if they vote against they best interests, then they deserve to suffer the consequences……..ask the Greeks how that not paying taxes method worked for them……….
Sick of Progs
September 18th, 2012
1:29 pm
Kyle, how many voters will hear that and decide that the next POTUS should be working for ALL Americans and not just the wealthy ones???
I guess we’ll find out in November!
It used to be that the president would work for the nation’s best interest, and that would benefit the citizens. Now it appears that people think that the president is working directly for the individual. So I ask you Goldie, what is Obama going to do for you if he gets re-elected? Benefits? A good job? A pay raise? Maybe it would be better if you worked to improve your situation in life, not some politician.
JDW
September 18th, 2012
1:30 pm
@Kyle…”Is it the kind of thing a presidential candidate should say? No. Is it true that all 47 percent — that statistic is correct, by the way — are “moochers”? No”
However the broader problem remains true, in spite of all Obama’s faults he at least gets that and Romney, along with most of the Republican base simply does not. This might have been the most honest thing that Romney has said during his entire campaign and because he believes it he will lose .
What should be even more frightening to the Republicans is that unless they can somehow force the Right Wing back in the closet losing is going to get very monotonous.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
1:31 pm
Romney broke the golden rule of politics…..never tell the truth.
Obama doesn’t have that problem.
tiredofIT
September 18th, 2012
1:33 pm
There is one major reason to vote for Obama: Supreme Court
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:34 pm
Just keep in mind, if he wins your vote for him just cost you 8 grand.
“Chinese General: Prepare for Combat with Japan…” drudgey.
After the last collapse we got WWII.
Will history repeat itself again?
@@
September 18th, 2012
1:34 pm
Going further, how many people will hear that and be offended by Romney’s remarks?
For those imbedded with the democrats’ generated chip (on the shoulder), it will compute.
schnirt
For those waiting on the sidelines…..looking to get back in the game? Not so much. They’re the ones Obama referred to as “clinging” to their guns and religion.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
1:35 pm
Road Scholar:
Wonder if you’d like to read Don Abernethy’s post at 1:18, and re-direct your question?
@@
September 18th, 2012
1:37 pm
Oops!
Call me textually slanted.
independent thinker
September 18th, 2012
1:38 pm
Once again the Republicans demonstrate their lack of concern for veterans. They are some of the so -called free loaders Romney hates and particularly disabled veterans who get government checks. It is nice to know that they are not wanted by the cons and should vote for Obama since the Republicans have no use for them. Instead of lambasting liberals and the 47% ( most of whom pay payroll taxes and all pay sales taxes so Romney is partly wrong) the Repubs could put their energy into passing the Veterans Employment Act that is before the Senate and which the Republicans are of course blocking- calling it as always a political stunt. It allocates one billion dollars to get veterans EMPLOYED in public sector jobs.
Public sector jobs should have increased during this recession if Repub. practices were followed by over a million jobs. Instead they have fallen by over 600,000 due to the party of NO.
As the big dog said in his speech – it is just simple math. Unemployment of veterans stands over 10.1 percent.- higher than the national average.
We know Romney has no way to relate to veterans since they are alien to his family’s history.
However I dare Kyle or any Repub here to advocate passage of this bill.
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:38 pm
@@,
Yes corporate media looped that comment and will loop romney’s words too for fair and balance.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
1:39 pm
Too bad Mitt accepted all that Gov’t bailout $$ to save Bain and all those Gov’t subsidies for his Olympics in Salt Lake — really makes him look just like another Con-man moocher…
["Today, Rolling Stone rolled out a blockbuster story by Tim Dickinson, who purports to have discovered — via a Freedom of Information Act request — that in the early nineties, when Bain & Company was struggling to stay afloat, Mitt Romney orchestrated a secret, lucrative last-minute "federal bailout" that allowed the firm's executives to reap millions of dollars in bonuses while leaving taxpayers on the hook.
Romney has characterized his return to Bain & Company, the consulting firm from which Bain Capital was spawned, as the first step in a successful turnaround. But Dickinson says that Romney was no white knight. The Bain bailout was actually "a disaster," he writes, and Romney "rewarded top executives at Bain with hefty bonuses at the very moment that he was demanding his handout from the feds."]
Shame on you Cons, still supporting this terrible candidate for POTUS!
Truth Squad
September 18th, 2012
1:39 pm
@Kyle, I know you are a smart man. That is why I find it curious that you want to cling to the RCP(owned by Steve Forbes) horserace numbers rather than look at the numbers from individual states. Perhaps you can get with Al Gore and discuss how misleading such numbers can be?
Right now, it looks like Obama will not hold on to Indiana and/or North Carolina. He has not lead in Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, and Virginia as well as most other battleground states. President Obama is at or above 50 in Florida and has maintained that lead for some time now. Romney is not spending in Pennsylvania or Michigan.
So I ask you Kyle, how does Romney win without Florida or Ohio? The truth is he can’t!
Why is your the Republican losing in the race to replace Lugar? Why are you losing in North Dakota? The only pick up for you guys seems to be in Nebraska. The RNC has already given up on the New Mexico Senate race while Nevada and Arizona are much closer than they should be.
So, like I said, this cycle is about control of the House of Representatives. Follow the ad money Kyle, but you already know that don’t you?
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
1:40 pm
“Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
1:31 pm
Romney broke the golden rule of politics…..never tell the truth.”
So what is Romney’s actual goal? Win political office, or ….?
Verbal Kint
September 18th, 2012
1:41 pm
getalife – Your source for an $8K tax increase to the middle class by Romney is an Obama campaign ad??? Good lord.
JDW
September 18th, 2012
1:43 pm
Some of you are all wet on “the 47%”…when polled that 47% splits around 60/40 for Obama. All Romney has done here is chase off part of his base.
Truth Squad
September 18th, 2012
1:43 pm
Oh, for those who claim to be worried about dependency, the truth is that 83% of that 47% work or are senior citizens. I blame Ronald Reagan and Bush 43 for those massive tax cuts that took a lot of the working poor off the tax rolls. Now the Republican Party speaks ill of them.
Mr. Holmes
September 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
Mr. Kyle Wingfield: In either your personal recollection or from what you’ve learned about older campaigns, have you ever seen a major-party presidential nominee as inept as Mitt Romney?
Yes or no. If yes, please name names. Thank ye.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
Liberal’s must hate all the people who are unemployed because they seem to think the economy is just great.
ATLien
September 18th, 2012
1:45 pm
There is no issue with saying 47% of people don’t pay income taxes as that is a true statistic. However, the real issue is his disregard for them when he says he will “never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”
In that 47% are retirees, veterans and others who have worked and paid taxes and some point in their lives, as well as those who fought for the ideals of this country. That’s the issue. Secondly, its highly hypocritical to broadly brush them as moochers with no ambition when he in affect does everything he can albeit legally to not carry his share of the burden. Mitt has twisted and turned himself over so many times to appease all factions of his party that he everything he says has some type of political expediency and he’s burying himself under the weight of trying to curry favor with so many factions.
Del
September 18th, 2012
1:46 pm
Rasmussen’s electoral map see’s the swing states all within a point or two. Rasmussen polls likely voters, which at this point is far more accurate. Democrats are wrapping themselves in a false security blanket when they rest their case on electoral maps that show Obama with a big lead.
Darwin
September 18th, 2012
1:46 pm
Romney’s comments are nothing new as he was playing to his base for money. This is the anti-Democratic party stereotype. We’re all a bunch of moochers who don’t pay taxes. We’re welfare queens. I’ve been around long enough to have heard it over and over again from friends and family. This is the ignorance that is the Republican voter. Republicans are great marketing people. It’s never the fault of the white voter. It’s the poor, the minorities, it’s the gays. And apparently, it works.
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:49 pm
romney shows disdain for half of America. The great divider. Politics is all about perception and he looks bad.
Toast.
iggy
September 18th, 2012
1:50 pm
I think come election day there will be some big surprises in store. There are very few “obama voters” that will acknowledge not voting or planning to not vote for him. However, many previous obama voters are just gonna sit this one out.
Del
September 18th, 2012
1:50 pm
Obama’s lost his meager post convention bump but no ones informed our left wing posters.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
1:51 pm
Democrat’s are great marketing people. It’s never the fault of the themselves. It’s the old white men who are the reason they didn’t succed. And apparently, it works.
Sick of Progs
September 18th, 2012
1:51 pm
Mr. Holmes
September 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
Mr. Kyle Wingfield: In either your personal recollection or from what you’ve learned about older campaigns, have you ever seen a major-party presidential nominee as inept as Mitt Romney?
Yes or no. If yes, please name names. Thank ye.
Barack Obama
getalife
September 18th, 2012
1:52 pm
Verbal Kint,
Yes and it was fact checked as true.
If you are middle class and vote gop, you voted for a 2000 year tax increase.
His first term will cost you 8000.
Do you have 8000 for government?
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
1:52 pm
“Romney shows disdain for half of America. The great divider. Politics is all about perception and he looks bad.”
It’s working for Obama so why not give it a try. Division seems to work.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
“It used to be that the president would work for the nation’s best interest, and that would benefit the citizens. ”
Yes, Sick @ 1:29 — the POTUS should work for America’s best interests, and that includes all of its citizens not just the ones who may have voted for him/her during an election. Mitt’s “best interests” are obviously the multi-millionaires and multi-national corporations, and how has that whole “trickled on economics” worked out for America today? Where are all those jobs that were supposed to be created by having the workers trickled on for all these years?
And personally since you asked, I believe the Dems are the ones who can best help the poor and Middle Class to benefit from growing wages, schooling and work opportunities, as well as keep the progress that women have made for the past 50 years still moving forward… thanks so much for asking! You see, I’m part of the many voters in the 53% status who still has a steady good-paying job in this economy that the Repubs wrecked so badly. So I’m grateful for my lot in this life and want to see others do better for themselves while they are struggling but still showing some “personal responsibility” each day that they get out and look for work to support themselves.
Ya see, I never once thought that all 47% of the low income wage-earners did not take “personal responsiblity” for their lives while they’re trying to make it in this terrible economy that the Cons’ fiscal policies created!
Buzzy
September 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
The Republicans picked another dud. It’s a reflection of their poor judgement.
Kyle Wingfield
September 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
Truth Squad @ 1:39:
1. Right or wrong, the horse race numbers affect perception about the race. So they’re important for that reason.
2. I agree the state races are paramount. But as I said earlier, much of the state polling is outdated, i.e. it predates the conventions. Until that changes, focusing on how the candidates look in those states is kind of pointless.
3. Obama is not at or above 50 percent in any major, recent poll. See here.
4. Romney’s super PAC is buying airtime in Michigan. This is another sign that the battleground has shifted away from states that Republicans traditionally carry (as you mentioned, IN and N.C.) and toward traditionally Democratic-leaning states (WI and MI, to name two). Which doesn’t exactly suggest Obama is running away with the election.
5. I haven’t seen enough polling data on those Senate races to say. But I could ask the same question: Why is MA still a toss-up when the Democratic candidate was a keynote speaker at the DNC? Why is CT a toss-up when the Republican got whipped two years ago for the state’s other Senate seat?
6. As for ad money, Romney and his aligned groups (RNC, super PAC, etc.) have somewhere between $40M and $60M more cash on hand than Obama — even though Obama has raised and spent more. So, a question for you: Why is this race still so close?
Del
September 18th, 2012
1:55 pm
Sick of Progs,
You forgot John Kerry who tried to run on his cheaply earned Purple Hearts and got exposed by the Swift Boat Vet’s.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
1:56 pm
Sick of Progs-
Mondale, Gore, Kerry, Dukakis, McCain to begin with.
md
September 18th, 2012
1:56 pm
“Yes and it was fact checked as true.”
No it wasn’t, it was “fact checked” using assumptions……BIG difference.
A bit like plugging in the unknown numbers to declare MMGW………
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
1:57 pm
“And personally since you asked, I believe the Dems are the ones who can best help the poor and Middle Class to benefit from growing wages, schooling and work opportunities,”
Yeah….. those Democratic votes have really helped the inner cities. LMAO
Rightwing Troll
September 18th, 2012
1:58 pm
“Mr. Holmes
September 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
Mr. Kyle Wingfield: In either your personal recollection or from what you’ve learned about older campaigns, have you ever seen a major-party presidential nominee as inept as Mitt Romney?
Yes or no. If yes, please name names. Thank ye.
Barack Obama”
Mittens sure is giving him a run for his money…
Sick of Progs
September 18th, 2012
2:00 pm
Mitt’s “best interests” are obviously the multi-millionaires and multi-national corporations, and how has that whole “trickled on economics” worked out for America today?
I guess your solution is the European model. Which one would you like to emulate Goldie? Spain? Greece? Italy? And what specific plan does the Obama administration have to increase wages of the average worker? Can you name one? And last time I checked, women have it pretty good in this country. Maybe all of the malcontent victims er feminists who think that they have it bad here should go spend a couple of years in a muslim country and see the real victims.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
2:00 pm
Verbal Kint
September 18th, 2012
1:19 pm-Just Saying..September 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Akin, Hurricane, Clint, Marathon Math, Plane crash, Judas meeting: How much luck can one campaign enjoy?
Meanwhile…JayZ and Beyonce fundraiser and the Letterman show for Hussein!!
Verb: The point is, the Obama events, notwithstanding your disapproval, were planned and touted by Obama’s campaign. Romney’s listed “events”, however, were ill- or unplanned. Meaning: To-date, at the very least, Mitt has had buzzard’s luck.
JoeBob
September 18th, 2012
2:01 pm
Kyle, Romney never called anybody “moochers.” even though food stamps expenditures and social security disability claims have risen to record levels.
Bigboy
September 18th, 2012
2:02 pm
Romney is going to get crushed in this election,I served in the military for 10 years and never made enough money to owe any taxes,does this make me a free loader?Idiot.
md
September 18th, 2012
2:02 pm
“And personally since you asked, I believe the Dems are the ones who can best help the poor and Middle Class to benefit from growing wages, schooling and work opportunities, as well as keep the progress that women have made for the past 50 years still moving forward… thanks so much for asking! ”
Ironically, for any of that to occur the private sector has to grow……and grow a lot. And the dems don’t have policies that allow for that growth………..
All those programs cost money, and the more that is taken from the private sector the harder it is for it to grow……………
JDW
September 18th, 2012
2:02 pm
@Del…”Rasmussen’s electoral map see’s the swing states all within a point or two. Rasmussen polls likely voters, which at this point is far more accurate. Democrats are wrapping themselves in a false security blanket when they rest their case on electoral maps that show Obama with a big lead.”
Except for two small points…Rasmussen runs about a 3.5% to 4% Republican bias and all those other polls…psssst don’t tell but they are mostly LV’s too.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/
Cutty
September 18th, 2012
2:04 pm
I wonder if Kyle and any other cons every took out a student loan for college that was subsidized by the federal government. If so, you’re a moocher who should’ve just borrowed the money from your parents. I’m middle-class, advanced degree, pay taxes, and I’m voting for Obama. Robme will simply end my mortgage interest deduction and child tax credit to give billionaires more money. Of course, he won’t say what deductions he’ll end. No thanks.
Archibald Leach
September 18th, 2012
2:04 pm
Hey Kyle, Romney is definitely wrong when he says all those 47% are voting for Obama. Most of the people who dont pay federal income taxes live in red states. Check this out from the Wonkblog
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-will-probably-get-95-electoral-votes-from-moocher-states-obama-will-probably-get-5/
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
2:06 pm
Both sides jump all over the gaffes of the other side.
I really wonder if either of these guys really want to win. Their performance sure leaves a lot of doubt. Every time one of them seems like they might start to make a little progress with the electorate, they step in it, hip deep.
JDW
September 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
@Kyle…guess you missed the latest MA Senate polls…
PPP…7 point swing
Suffolk/7News…5 point swing
Western NE Univ…4 point swing
Poll of Polls Warren +4
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/ma/massachusetts_senate_brown_vs_warren-2093.html
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
“You forgot John Kerry who tried to run on his cheaply earned Purple Hearts and got exposed by the Swift Boat Vet’s.”
Del, I’m calling you out here. My personal experience is that if you’re close enough to take shrapnel, you’re close enough. If your personal experience has been different, I congratulate you.
Fred ™
September 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
Soldiers in combat zones don’t pay taxes. I think it’s high time we did something about THOSE moochers. They should be shot. Oh wait, 10’s of 1000’s of them were. over 6000 died from it in Afghanistan and Iraq. Got THEM moochers off the books. But then that leaves 2.9 MILLION disabled veteran moochers who not only aren’t paying taxes but they are mooching Republican tax money for treatment. We need to do something about them “moochers.”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
September 18th, 2012
2:08 pm
So we’ve now had Just Saying TWICE advocate that he’d rather have a presidential candidate lie to get elected instead of tell voters the truth.
No wonder he’s so enamored of Obama.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Swift boaters are the are the kind of people who voted for the uber-cowards Saxby Chambliss. George Allen and Dick Cheney and flamed John McCain and Chuck Hagel for being RINOs along with every Democrat who was a combat veteran.
And now they have a loathsome candidate who blamed our American embassy personnel for sympathizing with their attackers.
Good job supporting the troops, neocons…
Bigboy
September 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
The majority of the super rich were born wealthy and never worked a day in their life,does this make them free loaders?I mean they are living off of the wealth created by their grandfathers and great grandfathers…these people are the ones most out of touch with reality and have more of a sense of entitlement than the guy working two jobs trying to feed his family with minimum wage jobs.It’s appalling that some folks complain about people getting 200 dollars in foodstamps while big corporations are getting Billions in tax breaks WITHOUT hiring any new workers.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
September 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
And on this ridiculous meme about his Romney doesn’t support vets: If any of you yahoos have ever given an off the cuff speech (as I have numerous times) you cannot possibly be expected to mention each and every group/position/policy each and every time.
Your standards of perfection for ANY candidate are simply unreasonable.
Del
September 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
“psssst don’t tell but they are mostly LV’s too.”
They over poll Democrats. The media polls aren’t the ones to follow as they’re notoriously inaccurate. Gallup and Rasmussen two professional polling organizations provide far better insight. They both gave Obama a fairly good bump after the DNC convention but they’re both showing that bump is gone. Rasmussen has him down 1 and Gallup has him up 4. Both show it running tight in the swing states. Sorry though, I didn’t mean to upset any delusion that you might be enjoying.
Sick of Progs
September 18th, 2012
2:15 pm
Good job protecting our Ambassador Commandturd in Chief.
Don't Tread
September 18th, 2012
2:16 pm
Funny how when 0bama made some comments about people “clinging to guns and religion”, there was nothing to see here, but let Romney mention “the 47%” and the left goes ballistic.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
2:16 pm
Good job attacking our Ambassador Canditurd in Chief.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
2:16 pm
Mitt The Moocher:
]”The Federal Bailout That Saved Mitt Romney — Government documents prove the candidate’s mythology is just that”
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829#ixzz26qXdy4bZ
You’re welcome Cons — always a pleasure to try and educate y’all!
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
2:17 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right
September 18th, 2012
2:08 pm-So we’ve now had Just Saying TWICE advocate that he’d rather have a presidential candidate lie to get elected instead of tell voters the truth.
No wonder he’s so enamored of Obama.
Tib: There’s a difference between pointing out and advocating. And you very well know the point: if you don’t win the political game, you don’t make much difference.
Barry Goldwater told the truth, and I’m still satisfied with my vote for him. But he didn’t win, and we got Lyndon. And the “Great Society”.
curious
September 18th, 2012
2:17 pm
An earlier comment was correct. Most of Obama supporters aren’t going to vote for Romney regardless of what his tax returns say.
However many of you anti-Obama voters may realize Romney has been gipping the rest of us through his tax evasion schemes.
It always hurt to discover you’ve been played for a sucker.
Sick of Progs
September 18th, 2012
2:18 pm
Would you care to talk about Solyndra’s exec’s golden parachutes or MF Global’s ties to the president?
Truth Squad
September 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Did someone mention Rasmussen? How about likely voters polled in Florida after the conventions:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/florida/election_2012_florida_president
The truth is that the electoral math is not working for Governor Romney. Y’all can go ahead and dream that there is going to be this mass movement to Romney in the final days, but as Cook mentioned, Romney doesn’t even have the ground forces to counter the Obama machine.
New polling out tonight from Wall Street Journal/NBC. Perhaps we’ll see some miracle numbers for Romney?
Bigboy
September 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Hey Del check back after the election,I’m sure you will have some explanation for Romney getting creamed.LOL….If anyone really thinks Romney has a shot to get elected,you have been listening to too much Rush and Neal and watching too much Fox News.lol
Tired of prigs
September 18th, 2012
2:20 pm
The ironic thing is that Romney will get the vote of tons of those people not paying any taxes. He’s got the elderly white vote sewn up. They’re afraid of our current president, even though his administration’s actions kept their IRAs from continuing the plunge caused by the Republican’s policy of trickle-down economics and deregulation. There’s just no explaining it (without going to a place I’d rather not go).
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
2:20 pm
Funny how when 0bama made some comments about people “clinging to guns and religion”, there was nothing to see here
Are you crazy?
It was plastered all over Faux News, the Excrement in Broadcasting network, Kneel Boar-tz’s programs and the lunatic fringe’s cyber space for weeks and weeks.
Your memory seems to be amazingly selective.
https://patriotpostshop.com/products/749
Fred ™
September 18th, 2012
2:21 pm
Bigboy
September 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Hey Del check back after the election,I’m sure you will have some explanation for Romney getting creamed.LOL….If anyone really thinks Romney has a shot to get elected,you have been listening to too much Rush and Neal and watching too much Fox News.lol
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Del doesn’t listen to those folks or watch FOX. They all look to this blog for Del’s comments so they can exactly mirror their words to his………
Cobbian
September 18th, 2012
2:22 pm
On CNN just a few moments ago was a reporter standing on an airport tarmac, with Romney’s airplane in the backgrouns. Across the plain it says “Believe in America”.
I think Romney should put his money where his mouth is.
How can we consider voting for someone who just dismisses 47% of of us as whiny “victims” and who keeps his multiple millions in accounts in Swiss and Cayman Island accounts?
That 46% of people who don’t pay taxes is not the same as those who receive food stamps, unemployment benefits, Medicaid, and other government programs. Romney conflates two different groups of people. Those who don’t pay taxes includes those who have taken advantage of tax exemptions or tax treatments that have reduced their own taxes to zero. It includes millions of us who are retired after a life-time of working and simply don’t have enough income to pay taxes and live.
I am one of those who is insulted by Romney’s words.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
“I am one of those who is insulted by Romney’s words.”
Congratulations….now you know how “you didn’t build that” felt.
Del
September 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
Just Saying, It was well documented that those were minor wounds and in fact one was questionable as to how he received it but after he received it he took his 3 hit out option and came home. Read “Unfit for Command”. There were far too many up and down the Swift Boat chain of command who served with Kerry to discount them all as liars. I’ve seen guys hit worse than the wounds described that Kerry suffered who fulfilled their full tours.
independent thinker
September 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"WASHINGTON, DC –U.S. Senator Bob Casey (D-PA) today pushed for Senate passage of the Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012, legislation he cosponsored to help ensure servicemembers have jobs and training opportunities upon their return to the civilian workforce.
“High veteran unemployment is unacceptable and deserving of immediate action,” said Senator Casey. “We can and must come together to create employment opportunities for veterans and help them overcome the unique challenges they face when returning to the civilian workforce. Their experience and skills are too valuable to remain untapped, and helping them gain employment will strengthen the entire economy.”
The Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012 would create new opportunities for veterans to be employed in national forests, parks and public lands. It would also create new opportunities for veterans to become first responders or pursue other public service positions.
Additionally, the bill would establish career specialists and other job searching resources to assist veterans.
Far too many veterans remain unemployed, according to recent data. At 10.9%, veteran unemployment is particularly high among our youngest veterans who served after September 11. “”"”"”"”"”" From Senator Casey’s Website.
More moochers looking for a handout???????? I sure hope Romney and those Repubs.don’t give those ungrateful veterans a dime! Think of everything our government did for them.Anyway after that convention of the cons none are going to vote Republican so who gives a hoot about them.
tiredofIT
September 18th, 2012
2:30 pm
Cobbian
September 18th, 2012
2:22 pm
On CNN just a few moments ago was a reporter standing on an airport tarmac, with Romney’s airplane in the backgrouns. Across the plain it says “Believe in America”.
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“Believe in America” but don’t keep you money here. Nice
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Goldie: He was plainly talking about his job as a candidate. The context of his remarks makes that clear.”
Refresh my memory: Any chance you pointed out “You didn’t build that” was taken out of context as well?
curious
September 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
Del,
I’ve seen a lot of folks that didn’t even have the character to serve. They were happy to let somebody else do it.
Aquagirl
September 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
Let’s all send thank you notes to Mr. Neal Boortz for popularizing this bizarre 47% meme and fragging his own preferred candidate.
curious
September 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
Del,
I forgot to add that probably applies to more than 90% of the posters here.
Del
September 18th, 2012
2:34 pm
Bigboy, sorry but I don’t listen to Limbaugh or Boortz as talk radio bores me. I do catch some Fox News though they even have Democrats and far left wingers on there as well.
curious
September 18th, 2012
2:35 pm
Show me someone who built it themrselves and I’ll show you a caveman. Even Jesus had the Disciples.
Sick of Progs
September 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
The Veterans Jobs Corps Act of 2012 would create new opportunities for veterans to be employed in national forests, parks and public lands. It would also create new opportunities for veterans to become first responders or pursue other public service positions.
So the bill wants to add more deficit spending on the taxpayers backs to create un-needed jobs so veterans can have jobs and bennies. But this is they only way liberals know how to create jobs, more government spending.
TRUTH
September 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
Of course, this is not new for the news cycle. Romney has said this stuff throughout his current run for President. That point will not resonate with his share of R’s. They already think that way. The 30 or 40 donors at the fundraiser, already felt that way (or why would they pay $50K per plate?). No, this is and always has been Romney! Yeah!!
OK, it’s idiotic. Especially when you see the video (taken behind a water goblet, no less). His statements are exaggerated and wrong headed. It’s not racial on its face, but its implied, imagine that. He statement that if he was Latino he would be leading…WTH?
This confirms the long stated truth that Mitt does not connect with typical American voters. No, not speaking of us die hard Dem/Libs, I’m speaking of swing voters who are more moderate in tone and approach. Most are centrists and believe in an equal and balanced political climate where the business of this country is debated and agreed upon by our elected leaders. Believe it or not, that is what most Americans want. Free of this “disdain” for a voter, no matter their race, color, or creed. We are tired of it, and yet, this is the Republican standard bearer. Shameful.
Mitt is not going to flip or flop his way out of this one. No one is believing he “misspoke.” Some in the Republican camp says double down and don’t apologize… He would be an idiot not too, but he is wholly owned by his Masters in the GOP and he will do their bidding. To be fair, Mr. Obama deserved the beating he took for the clutching their rifles comment, but he also appealed to them and actually got some of their votes (why the Righties keep claiming that Mr. Obama was voted into office by the whopping 13% of African Americans, and I presume every legal alien??) When it was nothing more than Mr. Obama having a different plan, with specifics. Fail, Mitt.
Mitt also conceded that somewhere between 45 – 48% of voters are destined to vote for the President. He also admits that he is “focused” on the 5 or 10% that are undecided. Some will go his way, most will break for the President. This is do to his gaffe laden campaign, his inability to articulate the details, his affiliations to the GOP money (Koch Brothers, Rove, and Faux News, just to name a few). That is winning the race for the President. The ad buys that are blatant, UNFACT CHECKED lies. Just blatant lies all over the media. It’s desperate and small.
We’re watching the end of the GOP. Wow….
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
You used a road, so you didn’t build it yourself…you had help. LMAO
That’s what happens when you have people watching Rev. Al for their information
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
From the same article.
‘More than 16 million elderly Americans avoid federal income taxes solely because of tax breaks that apply only to seniors, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. … Romney’s 2010 federal tax returns show he paid a tax rate of about 14 percent on an annual income of $21 million. The vast majority of his income came from investments, which are taxed at a lower rate than wages. His wealth has been estimated as high as $250 million. … Many of the Americans who owe no income tax are reprieved because basic exemptions — such as the “standard deduction” — took their taxable income below the cutoff levels. The other half rely mainly on a variety of tax breaks, such as the credit that helps offset child care costs.
These Americans range from the very poor to solidly middle-class families with jobs, homes, cars and vacations. The Tax Policy Center says “relatively few nontaxable households” have incomes exceeding $100,000; families that make between $50,000 and $100,000 often owe no income tax because of breaks for their kids and for education.
Americans who pay no federal income tax still often pay an array of other taxes. They include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare, sales taxes, property taxes and state and local taxes.
A handful of extremely wealthy families do not pay federal income taxes. This summer the Internal Revenue Service reported that six of the 400 highest-earning households in America owed no federal income tax in 2009.”
So the answer to these glaring deficiencies are more tax breaks for upper income earners?
Progressive Humanist
September 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
The funny thing is that most of the conservatives who are commenting on this thread probably make $50k a year or less, so they likely don’t pay any federal income tax when deductions (children, mortgage, etc.) are accounted for. So to those conservatives- Romney was talking about YOU. He was saying that YOU are dependent upon government. He was saying that YOU need to take more responsibility for your lives because you’re so irresponsible and haven’t made yourselves into success stories. He was saying that YOU are a freeloader and should pay more taxes so that those making over $250k a year can have a 20% tax cut. Be careful what you wish for.
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
2:43 pm
We’re watching the end of the GOP. Wow….
So far in my life, I’ve seen predictions of the end of the Democratic party 3 or 4 times and I’ve seen predictions of the end of the Republican party 3 or 4 times. Didn’t happen then and it isn’t going to happen now. We’ll be saddled with both parties, long after all of us are gone.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
Those who’ve served in combat zones: Don’t you just love it when the Dels of the world explain the ins and outs to us?
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
“The funny thing is that most of the conservatives who are commenting on this thread probably make $50k a year or less, so they likely don’t pay any federal income tax when deductions (children, mortgage, etc.) are accounted for.”
What’s funny is how wrong that is. Do you have anything to back up someone making $50K likely doesn’t pay federal income taxes? Any source at all? Anything?
Progressive Humanist
September 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
Gimme- It’s very simple math, really. The median household income is around $50k a year, give or take a couple thousand. That means that 50% of the country makes less than $50k a year. If 47% of the population doesn’t pay federal income taxes, which is true, then that means that almost all of those people fall into the 0-$50k income range.
Fred ™
September 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
2:43 pm
So far in my life, I’ve seen predictions of the end of the Democratic party 3 or 4 times and I’ve seen predictions of the end of the Republican party 3 or 4 times. Didn’t happen then and it isn’t going to happen now. We’ll be saddled with both parties, long after all of us are gone.
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I hope we are seeing the end of the days of a NUTCASE Republican party. I look forward to once again the Republicans being the party or reason and restraint. The sober ones. This thing they have now is sad.
I’d like to see a Republican Party that would have put up a candidate that someone other than the hard core right wing fanatics could get behind because personally I’m not to fond of our current President. Unfortunately compared to Romney………….
Ray
September 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
What portion of “the 47%ers”, those who don’t pay taxes, actually think they are victims, are dependent upon government, believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, and “you-name-it?”
There is a culture of entitlements, but it also includes those who lobby for special tax treatments, tax benefits, 15% caps of capital gains, access to politicians for political contributions and denigrate the poor, and now apparently senior citizens, because they largely don’t pay taxes. The lion’s share of “47%ers” are senior citizens. What scares me is Governor Romney didn’t know that fact, or knew it and said what he did about the “47%ers” anyway.
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
Fred
I think the big problem with Republican party now, is that they don’t understand what made Reagan a success. A lot of that was due to the so-called “Reagan Democrats”. They supported Reagan because of his foreign policy, core values, and the fact that he wasn’t Jimmy Carter. That group of people never did buy into the “free trade” and “no capital gains taxes” and all those sort of things. When they moved farther in that direction, they lost the center leaning people who Reagan knew how to appeal to.
That’s my 2¢ anyway.
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
G G G @ 2:44 PM
It’s explained in the article covering Romney’s comments. It’s on the front page of the online edition and quoted from it at 2:40 PM on this blog.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
I’m still waiting for any Con here to answer where all the American jobs went during the past 10 years, what with all of the voo-doo trickled on economics that you like to promote???
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
3:06 pm
“So the answer to these glaring deficiencies are more tax breaks for upper income earners?”
Yep, Athens — that’s just about it! Fairy-dusted with jobs by those Con policies!
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
“I hope we are seeing the end of the days of a NUTCASE Republican party. I look forward to once again the Republicans being the party or reason and restraint. The sober ones. This thing they have now is sad.’
Fred: Exactly. This was a Party with so much to be proud of. This country really doesn’t function well without rational alternatives. I’d feel more comfortable in that Party. But this current crowd of poisonous finger-pointing wealth worshipers…
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
I’m still waiting for any Con here to answer where all the American jobs went during the past 10 years,
That’s a little late for a beginning. This country started bleeding blue collar jobs in the 1970’s. Most didn’t care then because they thought it didn’t/wouldn’t affect them. They didn’t start to worry until the bleeding started moving up the economic ladder and by then, it was too late.
Ben
September 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
The lefties on here seem to forget that Obama long ago gave up on half the electorate, saying they were clinging to their guns and religion.
It’s amazing how you guys get all over Republicans for doing things that Democrats do all the time. The lack of self-awareness is mind blowing.
I wonder why so few people care about the extremely sexist remark Obama made about a female analyst that has been making the rounds. I guess it’s ok if Democrats are sexist pigs, they get held to a much lower standard than the right.
Tired of prigs
September 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
Here’s a question for you. If 8 years of tax cuts and deregulation led to the biggest recession since the Great Depression (also triggered by a Republican), then why would any sane person want to elect someone who would take us back to those very same policies? I mean, sure, if you happen to be a hedge fund manager or billionaire brothers who might own companies that have to spend money meeting safety and pollution standards, I get it. Your wealth doesn’t depend on earning a living by working and you don’t have to live in this country. Those people are “citizens of the world” so to speak and can let the “little” people work for them and fight their wars. But for anyone else, it just doesn’t make sense.
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September 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
…as well as keep the progress that women have made for the past 50 years still moving forward
Newly released census figures show a long-standing and glaring contrast: A third of families headed by single mothers are in poverty, and they are four times more likely than married-couple families to be poor.
Note the long-standing part.
The feminists freed ‘em up to have sex and raise their children in poverty.
Progress, that ain’t!!!!
getalife
September 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
The gop plan to cheat has failed and should backfire:
“In a potentially significant victory for Democrats, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court vacated a lower court’s decision to uphold the states’s restrictive new voter ID law on Tuesday, and asked the judge to consider enjoining it instead.” Aol.
Cheaters never win
The Poor
September 18th, 2012
3:25 pm
thank goodness for people like Finn who will enable me to not have to work and still eat and get my cable….
The Poor
September 18th, 2012
3:27 pm
But we women can make our own choices….the progressives have freed us up to be poor as much as we wish
Georgia, The " New Mississippi "
September 18th, 2012
3:29 pm
This was not a “gaffe” … He said what was in in his heart like we all do…….. Opinions are more important than facts in GOP land.
Ronin
September 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
“makers” vs. “takers”, Just another example of how the tax code is used to divide people and put them in a political camp. It’s time to change from an income to a consumption tax, past time.
Funny how this happened months ago, but it’s just now coming out. Isn’t that good timing, just weeks before the election. While no fan of Romney, or Obama. President Obama starts with a 40% plus advantage, just because of his position on entitlement policy. That’s kind of tough to overcome.
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September 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
Getalife:
Yes corporate media looped that comment and will loop romney’s words too for fair and balance.
I’m of the opinion that the national media is way too involved in our presidential elections. Every time I google the news, it’s all the negativity that Romney can bear.
Nothing aimed at Obama.
HECK! Romney isn’t running anything other than his campaign. Obama’s running us aground, and yet……..
zero, zilch, nada from the MSM.
gm
September 18th, 2012
3:32 pm
Gee Kyle I guess Americans were less concern about the 13 embassies that was attacked under the last Administration.
I wonder do all the rep who have benefited under the Pell Grant responsible? what about our Seniors, disable vets who pay no taxes? are they not responsible?
I have yet to understand a party of poor, middle class conservatives would let a Billionare who have sent there jobs overeseas insult them and they are to dumb to see it””””””’
Georgia, The " New Mississippi "
September 18th, 2012
3:33 pm
Mitt will start WWIII in the first 60 days and have to bring back the Military Draft to try and force the 47 % to fight for ” his values “. The other 53 % will take the old white guy exemption. Good luck !!!!
Linda
September 18th, 2012
3:33 pm
Speaking of Neal Boortz, I heard that a lady called his show today to relate that she had been treating groups of her left-leaning friends to Dinesh D’Souza’s film: 2016-Obama’s America.
One of her friends she actually treated also called in. His main revelation was that the corrupt media was manipulating the public. Since watching the film, he has become a patron of FOX News so that he can hear ALL the issues & BOTH SIDES of the issues, rather than suppression & mere propaganda.
To listen to Neal’s interview with D’Souza on 9/16/12, click here:
http://www.boortz.com/list/entertainment/neal-boortz-show-audio-archives/eGx/
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
3:37 pm
Complete utter delusion:
… “FOX News … ALL the issues & BOTH SIDES of the issues.”
Sigh.
“… some folks just can’t be reached.” – Strother Martin
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
3:38 pm
This is just common sense, to me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/16/libyan-president-attack-on-u-s-consulate-was-premeditated/
Mary Elizabeth
September 18th, 2012
3:39 pm
I was not going to vote for Gov. Romney anyway, and I have no idea how many people will think that they are part of the 47%, but the following is how strongly I feel about the remarks that Gov. Romney made, which in my opinion, reveal his core way of relating to human beings:
I heard more real passion and conviction in Romney’s voice than I have ever previously heard. This is what he believes in his heart and in his gut. The problem with what he believes is that it is full of stereotypical thinking that reflects little in shades of gray, or nuance. Moreover, it reflects a man with a coldness of heart, imo.
Heaven help this nation – and this globe – if this man becomes President of the United States. What is sad is that Gov. Romney divides people into categories, instead of seeing the humanity – within all people – that connects all people. And, he not only divides, he sees with a hierarchial, smallness of vision that some are better than others based on their wealth, which evidently in his thinking, equates to virtue and hard work. Little does he understand that there are millions of people in this nation who work very hard, all of their lives, without making high incomes. What a sad, little person of shallow vision Romney has turned out to be – that that video revealed.
When the consciousness of a people centers on “tit for tat,” instead of simply understanding, those people have become diminished in their thinking and in their souls. And, people who think in those ways are diminished people, no matter what the status of their wealth is.
I appeal to the American people, and to Southerners, not to elect Mitt Romney as our President. We deserve better.
Goldie
September 18th, 2012
3:39 pm
“Since watching the film, he has become a patron of FOX News so that he can hear ALL the issues & BOTH SIDES of the issues, rather than suppression & mere propaganda.”
Bwaaaaaa — classic Con post! Thank you!
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
3:40 pm
…so veterans can have jobs and bennies.
It is only rarely that even the most rabid of our GOP Uncle Sam haters are so proudly derisive of America’s veterans.
But you are the perfect Saxby constituent.
Well played, sick o….
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September 18th, 2012
3:40 pm
Linda:
His main revelation was that the corrupt media was manipulating the public.
AMEN!
As long as the corrupt media leans left, there’s not only a need for FNN…there’s also a need for Citizens United.
Whether liberals want to acknowledge it or not, Citizens United is a direct result of left-leaning media bias.
gm
September 18th, 2012
3:41 pm
Amazing people making films about a living President, can any one remember of any negative films of any President while still alive? the low IQ hateful vieweres at fox are going in history next to the Jim Crowe supporters of their time.
Look at the billions of dollars have been made off Obama, from the idiot Sara Palin to scum bag Sean Hannity, wow
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
3:45 pm
Nothing aimed at Obama. zero, zilch, nada from the MSM.
Do tell…
A study finds that news coverage of both major presidential candidates has been more negative this year than in almost any other recent election.
The report is by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism. It finds that President Barack Obama is usually cast as failing to lift the nation’s limping economy, while and his rival, Republican Mitt Romney, is usually framed as a plutocrat and corporate raider.
The report, released Thursday, examines coverage by 50 major media outlets over a 10-week period, from the end of May to early August.
It found that “master narratives” about both Obama and Romney have been equally unfavorable, with some 72 percent of stories about Obama being negative along with 71 percent of stories about Romney.
Damn facts always getting in the way of a great made up story…
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
3:46 pm
Hillbilly:
I read the article and I’d have to agree with your assessment. However, I was more drawn to a commenter on the blog that wrote:
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result … Planned or unplanned is academic. The foreign policy of aggression that has evolved from the Republican right (see “The Project for the New American Century”) is a disaster. Corporate America’s imperialism has caused unnecessary and extremely expensive wars that account for a major portion of the national debt. We have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, attacked Libya and Pakistan, sanctioned Iran, etc. so why would attacks on American embassies be a surprise. Our response will be more armaments and an ever-larger military budget. It hasn’t worked and never will. And I suppose the person who thinks Obama is not qualified believed Dubya to be and Romney will be?”
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
3:48 pm
“Whether liberals want to acknowledge it or not, Citizens United is a direct result of left-leaning media bias.”
Citizens United is the result of activist, GOP nominated, Justices to the Supreme Court that make NO apologies for said judicial activism.
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
3:51 pm
Real Athens
What makes no sense to me is why every embassy in that part of the world wasn’t on high alert on 9/11.
beam me up
September 18th, 2012
3:51 pm
I think you are really downplaying the impact of this way too much. Romney’s chances largely hinge on turnout among lower income people (not just those making less than $200,000 per year using his yardstick, either). His chances entirely hang on rural, less educated and older white voters being more enthusiastic about his candidacy than urban minorities and young people are about Obama’s. This hurts him both ways. He was already a longshot at this point. This may have sunk him.
The electoral vote landscape already required him to almost run the table in the swing states where the only one in which he was polling ahead was North Carolina. This is going to hurt him there.
Mitt is probably toast. He’s reeling, and all it is going to take to knock him out is one quick jab about his Swiss bank accounts in the debates.
HDB
September 18th, 2012
3:52 pm
The problem is that in his statements and his actions lie the TRUE Mitt Romney….one that can’t associate with anyone he deemed beneath him!! You could see that Romney couldn’t deal with the public in Pittsburgh (”these are 7/11 cookies”)….in Philadelphia…when he visited a black school and couldn’t relate….the NAACP Convention in New Orleans..when he just walked off the stage without shaking the people’s hands……
Linda
September 18th, 2012
3:52 pm
To expand on Centrist’s comment @ 12:23, Tytler’s unverified entire quote & explanation is:
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
Where is the United States today? As a nation, we have outlived our life expectancy by 36 years. The majority of Americans believe that our country is on the wrong path. Will America be better off 4 years from now or will Obama finally finish us off?
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
3:54 pm
There’s one more big event that may affect the election and that’s if Israel hits Iran before election day. My guess is that it’s even money that they will.
SisterSarah
September 18th, 2012
3:55 pm
“Gaffe”, Gaffe?? GAFFE???!!!! That was a pretty long “gaffe” right there. No…he was breaking it down for the good folks. In fact he gave a detailed explanation of his approach.
“Gaffe”. ROFLU, It doesn’t get any better than this!
Don't Tread
September 18th, 2012
3:56 pm
“I’m still waiting for any Con here to answer where all the American jobs went during the past 10 years”
Well, 12 to be exact…starting when Clinton signed the act giving China “most favored trade nation” status…and now we have a mountain of trade deficits with them. Wonder where those jobs went? Hmmm…
Tyronda
September 18th, 2012
3:56 pm
Anyone see the ‘quick vote’ poll over on CNN earlier today? They’ve now taken it down probably because the results were not what CNN expected.
The question was, do Romney’s ‘gaffe’ remarks make you more or less likely to support his candidacy. The overwhelming response was “more likely”.
Don't Tread
September 18th, 2012
3:57 pm
Citizens United is a direct result of the Left attempting to deny free speech rights of people who don’t agree with them, and having it blow up in their face.
gm
September 18th, 2012
3:59 pm
Linda
The majority of Americans believe that our country is on the wrong path
Please stop insulting us with your misformed fox news, these nut jobs want you to think President Obama took over during the golden years, and America woke up one morning after Clinton and their was Obama, the man who destroyed the country for 8 yeas never happen””””””’
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
3:59 pm
Linda:
Um, you know, the United States isn’t a Democracy. It’s a Democratic Republic. BIG DIFFERENCE.
But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your misinformation campaigns. Your heroes don’t.
Just Saying..
September 18th, 2012
4:01 pm
“One of her friends she actually treated also called in. His main revelation was that the corrupt media was manipulating the public. Since watching the film, he has become a patron of FOX News so that he can hear ALL the issues & BOTH SIDES of the issues, rather than suppression & mere propaganda.”
And all Boortz’s people said “Amen”…
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
4:03 pm
Really HD?
The USA has always had Israel on a very short leash. (That is what $85,000,000,000.00 gets us.)
I’d be shocked if they don’t toe the US line like they always have…
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
4:08 pm
JamVet
I’d disagree. I don’t think they’ll sit by and let Iran’s nuclear program continue. Of course, it might not be a military strike, could be a cyber strike, etc. Given our history over the last 60 years or so, if I were another country, I wouldn’t put any dependence on the U.S. to follow through on any promises to me. We’ve left people holding the bag, time and again.
ODD OWL
September 18th, 2012
4:09 pm
Mittens Romney didn’t pay any Federal income taxes for the last ten years… Most, if not all rich people do not pay Federal income tax.. they collect their income and profits from investments and investments are taxed under capital gain tax rates… Romney admitted that he paid a 13 % capital gain tax rate in 2011… Non rich workers who earn on average about $50.000 a year, pay about 35 % of their salaries in taxes… “Rule of Thumb” If you’re not rich, don’t listen to the Republican’s sh*t… Share the wealth, tax the rich, pay down the debt…
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
4:09 pm
Come November 5 I think you’ll see whose face Citizen’s United and it’s unlimited corporate spending blows up in.
I don’t think it will be Obama’s.
Cubana Lust
September 18th, 2012
4:13 pm
I’ll take your mind off of this craziness boys.
Hit me up on my twitter
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
4:14 pm
Israel decimated Iraq’s nuclear ambitions with a coordinated airstrike in 1981 — with Iran’s help no less.
To think they won’t do the same thing by hook or by crook is denial.
However, I don’t know which way it would sway the election. You know the Military Industrial Complex is praying for it either way.
gm
September 18th, 2012
4:16 pm
The difference between these two men are so clear, Obama saved the auto for Americans he did not care if you were dem or rep American jobs were on the line.
Gordon Gekko(Mitt) only care about the rich, yet poor, middle class conservative dont know when they have been insulted, there are seniors, veterans who dont pay taxes are rep, are they dependent on goverment?
Cubana Lust
September 18th, 2012
4:22 pm
To Real Athens; sounds like you need some…
Stephenson Billings
September 18th, 2012
4:27 pm
The latest Gallop poll has Obama up by 1 when he was up by 7 a week ago. Coincidence this video surfaced now?
Don't Tread
September 18th, 2012
4:28 pm
“Obama saved the auto for Americans”
No, he circumvented bankruptcy law to reward the unions with taxpayer money.
Ford got through the hard times without using taxpayer money. They “saved the auto for Americans”.
Stephenson Billings
September 18th, 2012
4:30 pm
As if we didn’t already know:
Obama In 1998: “I Actually Believe In Redistribution”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4
Missgrace
September 18th, 2012
4:32 pm
This is the offensive part in Romney’s remarks about the so called 47%: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” This comment is not about getting votes, this is an arrrogrant characterization of half of the US populations as moochers. And it is not a gaffe– It is talking point for the GOP.
Stephenson Billings
September 18th, 2012
4:33 pm
The Data Behind Romney’s 47% Comments
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/18/the-data-behind-romneys-47-comments/
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
4:35 pm
Linda – “Speaking of Neal Boortz, I heard that a lady called his show today.”
Heard? Yeah by you.
Stephenson Billings
September 18th, 2012
4:39 pm
Emails reveal Justice Dept. regularly enlists Media Matters to spin press
“Dozens of pages of emails between DOJ Office of Public Affairs Director Tracy Schmaler and Media Matters staffers show Schmaler, Holder’s top press defender, working with Media Matters to attack reporters covering DOJ scandals.”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/emails-reveal-justice-dept-regularly-enlists-media-matters-to-spin-press/
JDW
September 18th, 2012
4:40 pm
@@@…”HECK! Romney isn’t running anything other than his campaign. ”
And he can’t even do that very well…I think its back to PE for Mittens.
They BOTH suck
September 18th, 2012
4:42 pm
“Ford got through the hard times without using taxpayer money.”
Directly yes, but indirectly no.
Ford received very low interest loans to revamp several facilities as well as being helped when suppliers were bailed out. Ford directly lobbied for the bailout.
Did you forget when Ford attempted to run commercials saying that they unlike GM and Chrysler, they didn’t take part in the bailouts, only to retract when the facts came to light?
Stephenson Billings
September 18th, 2012
4:43 pm
It’s funny cuz it’s probably true….
JAY LENO: “Well, according to the Labor Department, unemployment fell from 8.3 to 8.1 percent last month. But that was because only, that’s because, rather, 368,000 Americans gave up looking for work. And today, President Obama said that’s a step in the right direction, and he is encouraging more Americans to give up looking for work so the numbers will come down a little bit.”
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
4:45 pm
TBS
My Daddy is a retired Ford employee and they also reneged on many of their agreements that were made years ago.
JDW
September 18th, 2012
4:49 pm
@Del…”Sorry though, I didn’t mean to upset any delusion that you might be enjoying.”
Stop by and see me on Nov. 6…if four more years hasn’t driven you off the edge.
Stephenson Billings
September 18th, 2012
4:49 pm
When Romney Leads Obama
“In at least four recent instances, specific actions by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney have moved President Barack Obama in a new, different direction. It’s a trend worth noting, showing that Romney’s position have (at least some times) helped shaped Obama’s. ”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/when-romney-leads-obama_652648.html
getalife
September 18th, 2012
4:50 pm
Eastwood:”Gop are dumb enough to ask me.”
cons got punked by Clint.
They BOTH suck
September 18th, 2012
4:50 pm
HillBillyD
It wasn’t a good scene all the way around. Yes it was good that Ford didn’t “directly” take part in the bailout, but it both amazes and amuses me when people attempt to say they were not a direct beneficiary of those very bailouts.
ODD OWL
September 18th, 2012
4:50 pm
As we all know, Karl Rove was Bush’s brain… Now he’s Romney’s brain… But there is another brain out there, thats defeating Rove’s brain at every turn… Karl Rove’s Romney brain has been checked and mated… President Jimmy carter’s Grandson is a National Hero for exposing just how much Romney/Ryan’s despise and hate hard working, non rich Americans who vote Republican… Mittens Romney said that non rich Americans who vote Republicans are moochers, who don’t pay any taxes and who suck the blood of the rich, elite millionaires and billionaires like him…
Stephenson Billings
September 18th, 2012
4:51 pm
Report: Median Income Worse Now Than It Was During Great Recession
“According to Pew, the Census Bureau showed that the median income for American households in 2009 – the official end of the Great Recession – was $52,195 (in 2011 dollars), while the median income dipped to $50,054 last year, falling 4.1 percent over two years.”
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/report-median-income-worse-now-than-it-was-during-great-recession/
JDW
September 18th, 2012
4:51 pm
“I’d like to see a Republican Party that would have put up a candidate that someone other than the hard core right wing fanatics could get behind because personally I’m not to fond of our current President. ”
Amen…last one of those on my ballot was Bush 1…
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
4:55 pm
TBS
There was a great deal of hype around the fact that Alan Mulally “didn’t take his salary”. What in fact happened was that his salary was deferred until better times but he got every penny of it. He’s also gotten substantial bonuses since then. There’s usually more to these stories than meets the eye.
They BOTH suck
September 18th, 2012
4:59 pm
HillBilly D
Agreed
TRUTH
September 18th, 2012
5:07 pm
@Fred and @Hillbilly D –
Thank you for furthering my point. I am a Dem, former Republican way back when, but I broke from the R party when Reagan came along. Nothing major, just did not agree with his platform. When D’s and R’s debated back in the 80’s, there was a sense of progress with a win or a loss. It was for the better good. TODAY? It is incredulous how far right the Republicans have moved. It is on the fringes of the looney (although many think that the GOP has marched itself off the cliff). I tend to agree. Mitt is helping push the GOP over that cliff, while Ryan has stuck out his foot.
curious
September 18th, 2012
5:07 pm
Anybody remember the movie “A Face in the Crowd” with Andy Griffith playing Lonesome Rhodes?
At the end of one of Rhodes’s shows, the engineer cuts the microphone and leaves Jeffries alone in the control booth while the show’s credits roll. Millions of viewers watch (in what initially is silence) their hero Rhodes smiling and seeming to chat amiably with the rest of the cast. In truth, he’s on a vitriolic rant about the stupidity of his audience. In the broadcast booth, Jeffries reactivates his microphone, sending his words and laughter over the air live. A sequence of television viewers is shown to react to Rhodes’s description of them all as “idiots, morons, and guinea pigs.”
Could this be Romney?
antinewt
September 18th, 2012
5:11 pm
Kyle:”The first is the underlying substance of what he said, which boils down to the basic conservative critique of Obama specifically and liberalism in general: that they are highly, maybe even chiefly, interested expanding government and Americans’ dependence on it. Is anyone actually surprised by this? Does anyone think this is not a large part of what this election is about?”
Now you’re the one blindly accepting conservative talking points as fact. Trying to use the power of the government to fix problems the “free market” can’t, or won’t, does not equate to being “chiefly, interested [sic] expanding government and Americans’ dependence on it”. Helping out the unemployed during the worst economic crisis since the 30’s, helping people put food on the table during a crisis is the “right” thing to do. Helping people get health insurance that can’t does not mean we want to create a dependency or the size of government. This and other assertions by the right are nothing more than a “narrative” created by pundits like you, Kyle, that are patently false, yet you repeat them like you’ve never given them any thought. Fortunately, Americans look a little deeper than your bumper-sticker punditry.
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
5:12 pm
TRUTH @ 5:07
To clarify, I think one party is as looney as the other. Both are controlled by the fringes. There was a time when you conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans in Congress. Both parties are litmus test parties now and there’s no room for anything but the party orthodoxy. Let somebody stick their head up and stray from the party line and they’ll immediately be shouted down by their own side.
Hell of a way to run a railroad.
Could this be Romney?
It could probably be damn near any national politician.
@@
September 18th, 2012
5:14 pm
JDW:
@@@…”HECK! Romney isn’t running anything other than his campaign. ”
And he can’t even do that very well…I think its back to PE for Mittens.
We have a campaigner-in-chief who’s neglecting his presidential duties.
AmVet:
I challenge you to Google “News” and bring forth evidence of unbiased reporting. You’ll have a hard time finding anything negative about Obama. Perhaps it’s journalistic courtesy for a sitting president. Needless to say, it’s difficult to find.
It finds that President Barack Obama is usually cast as failing to lift the nation’s limping economy…
Kinda hard to ignore the obvious when so many people are suffering.
I’m off to finish dinner.
TRUTH
September 18th, 2012
5:18 pm
@Hillbill D 5:12 pm – Amen. Agreed. Both parties do have “The Crazy.” But it sure is good that my crazies have had their meds. (Dang. Shameless plug for the Affordable Health Care Act!!!). But c’mon, D, “The Crazy” on the right is downright entertaining!
Linda
September 18th, 2012
5:21 pm
gm@3:59, Polls by CBS, Reuters, ABC/Washington Post, Associated Press, NBC, etc. & the average by Real Clear Politics ALL show that the majority of pollees believe America is on the wrong track. If you watched FOX News, you would not be so hog-washed & might be fair & balanced, i.e., if you really tried.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html
Who is insulting whom?
No one is denying that Obama took over a bad economy, except Obama. He’s now claiming he was the only one who didn’t know how bad it was & claiming to need 4 more years to fix what he said he could fix in 3.
If your reference to the man who destroyed the country was Bush, it is very apparent that you have not read the results of the Financial Inquiry Commission that Obama appointed to ascertain exactly the cause(s) of the meltdown. Needless to say, the 10 members were a hung jury. Assuming that you might not have time to read the 622-page boring report from the Democrats, may I refer you to a little 27-page report from 3 of the Republicans who actually MENTIONED Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac as culprits, you know, the formerly quasi-govt. agencies who are now in govt. receivership? If you can muddle your way thru the 1st 7 pages, you will get the core of what happened & hopefully get past your hostility.
(I’ll post it below as Kyle frowns upon 2 sites per comment.)
Linda
September 18th, 2012
5:24 pm
gm@3:59, Here’s the site I indicated. You can choose from 2 formats after “Here is the text.”.
http://keithhennessey.com/2011/01/26/the-three-man-fcic-dissent-hennessey-holtz-eakin-thomas/
Hope you don’t have to stay up too late.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
5:33 pm
Real@3:59, You’re asking a Republican is she knows what kind of govt. we have? Democracies & republics are not opposites but rather overlap. The references made by Tytler would apply to both democracies & to our republic.
cc
September 18th, 2012
5:38 pm
SBinF@11:53 am:
“and he’s already said that he’s not worried about folks that don’t vote for him”
I didn’t get that at all from his words. Romney’s simply stating that his time and energy would be better spent going for the votes he has a chance of securing. Your statement comes from your perception as an Obama supporter and is very misleading.
The Anti-wooten@11:53 am:
“These are in no way gaffes, they are what truly resides in the heart and mind of the Republican nominee for president of the United States.” Do you mean that Obama has been in 57 states thus indicating his true knowledge of the United States, that Obama was really telling the truth when he referred to “my Muslim faith” or Moochelle when she talked about them visiting Obama’s home country in Africa? I have many more of these, but I assume from what you say that these are “what truly resides in the heart and mind” of Hussein?
SBinF@11:54 am:
“It seems every day his campaign takes incompetence to new heights” For an Obama supporter, you have more than your “fair share” of courage, daring or mental incompetence. It is unbelievable that an Obama supporter would even mention the word “incompetence”.
@@
September 18th, 2012
5:41 pm
Fox News reports that a protester in Pakistan died after inhaling smoke and fumes from burning American flags.
What’s there to say?
Too bad, so sad.
schnirt
JDE
September 18th, 2012
5:46 pm
Enter your comments here hummmm – Let’s see, the GOP as it stands today – aspirin is effective birth control, rape and legitimate were used in the same sentence, the audience at the GOP convention was overwhelmingly white and male, and instead of reaching out to families and expressing sorrow over the loss of life at the embassy Mittens responds with an all out attack on policy. Now, 47% of Americans have been marginalized as free loaders, in front of a Palm Beach audience, who can afford $50,000 a plate dinners. Mr. Romney is woefully out of touch with America. The Republicans had many other excellent choices, but instead they chose Mitt. so, live with it and quit singing the blues! When the GOP gets some gumption and quits pandering to the far right maybe they can promote a candidate who doen’t have feet of sand and isn’t afraid to stand -up for what he really believes in, instead of changing course every time the political winds blow the wrong way.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
5:46 pm
Gimme Gimme Gimme@4:35, I said “I heard” because I heard. That’s the truth. I didn’t want to be accused of misquoting a radio show that I did not hear first hand today.
I have enjoyed listening to Boortz for years & will miss him when he retires & look forward to Cain again.
It was my husband who related the story to me.
What a petty accusation & such a waste of time.
Pat Robertson
September 18th, 2012
5:47 pm
“What’s there to say?
Too bad, so sad.
schnirt”
Very Christian of you. I am sure you God is proud.
Thulsa Doom
September 18th, 2012
5:55 pm
Jay,
Nope. Looks to me like they are working hand in hand with MM. Playing it off as standard communication is a copout. Does the administration have this same level of cooperation with say Fox News?
@@
September 18th, 2012
5:57 pm
PR:
I didn’t kill the guy…his unwarranted anger did.
Thulsa Doom
September 18th, 2012
5:58 pm
Oops. Sorry guys. I was reading and responding to Jay next door while I was reading this and responded to the wrong column. Mult tasking always gets me in trouble.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
6:07 pm
I challenge you to Google “News” and bring forth evidence of unbiased reporting. You’ll have a hard time finding anything negative about Obama. Perhaps it’s journalistic courtesy for a sitting president. Needless to say, it’s difficult to find.
Where in the name of Zeus do you think I found the link to that Pew Report?
The one that you dare not touch with a 3.084 meter pole.
And where pray tell is your evidence to bolster YOUR original claim that Every time I google the news, it’s all the negativity that Romney can bear. Nothing aimed at Obama.?
You’ve got yourself in one helluva hole. Keep digging!
cc
September 18th, 2012
6:14 pm
Mr. Holmes@12:16 pm:
“Let’s call it like it is” Yes, by all means, let’s do exactly that! I could list the outright lies told by Obama, but I’m sure you already know them. We could discuss his spending and borrowing AND the $6 trillion he added to the national debt in only a little more than three and a half years, but you already know about it. Maybe we could discuss the &1.5 trillion deficit he is running, but you know that, too. How about the high rate of unemployment, over 15% if you use REAL numbers. You also know about the unemployment. There are many other items we could discuss, but you probably already know them all . . . and you are oblivious to them because you are an Obama sycophant. Peddle your BS to those like you; they’re the only people buying what you’re selling.
Pat Robertson
September 18th, 2012
6:27 pm
@@
Didn’t claim or imply you killed anyone.
Sad your God would be proud of your gloating.
“Do not gloat when your enemy falls” (Prov. 24:17).
Dave
September 18th, 2012
6:28 pm
I don’t read everything you write; but, of what I’ve read, I think this is the most whiney, least reasoned piece I’ve seen.
You start off saying there’s a lot of important stuff out there, implying it appears that no one should pay attention to this “gaffe.” Then you decide it isn’t really a gaffe, there being two prongs.
You dismiss everything he said with a “well yeah, but, here’s a bunch of stuff he should have said about Obama (not that he said any of it).” All of your points are legitimate political fodder, again none used by the candidate. Perhaps you should apply for a job. Maybe you wouldn’t conflate a tax paying percentage (ignoring the reality of what those people do pay and why they pay it) with an underclass not worthy of consideration by the candidate. This is just a guess; but, I bet each and everyone of those folks that “don’t pay income tax” dearly wish they made enough money that they had to pay it. Think I’m wrong?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
September 18th, 2012
6:29 pm
Bottom line: The moocher class and those who think government should help assuage their “white guilt” vote Obozo. Those who believe in Real American values vote Romney.
Vote American.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
September 18th, 2012
6:33 pm
Fox News reports that a protester in Pakistan died after inhaling smoke and fumes from burning American flags…What’s there to say?
———
We should send a few million flags to Pakistan?
cc
September 18th, 2012
6:35 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout@6:29 pm:
Well stated and so very true . . .
buzzy
September 18th, 2012
6:39 pm
It looks like the Republicans have chosen another dud. This reflects on their judgement.
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
6:40 pm
Linda:
“To say that a true Republic is a form of Democracy is in fact lunacy. A Republic, based on The Constitution and The Bill of Rights shall suffice. It means “Liberty”. Those laws are based on human existence itself, not by an arbitrary choosing of a mob called Majority. Benjamin Franklin defined liberty as thus: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote”
Here is a little civics lesson perhaps even you can understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw
“To say that a true Republic is a form of Democracy is in fact lunacy. A Republic, based on The Constitution and The Bill of Rights shall suffice. It means “Liberty”. Those laws are based on human existence itself, not by an arbitrary choosing of a mob called Majority. Benjamin Franklin defined liberty as thus: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote”
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
6:41 pm
The moocher class and those who think government should help assuage their “white guilt” vote Obozo.
Including 42% of all male American veterans who voted for Obama.
Real moochers, those 6,636,000 people.
Support the troops…
@@
September 18th, 2012
6:43 pm
AmVet:
And where pray tell is your evidence to bolster YOUR original claim that Every time I google the news, it’s all the negativity that Romney can bear. Nothing aimed at Obama.?
Step by step instructions:
Go to Google
Hit News
Scroll
You’ll find my evidence there.
PR:
If my enemy could fall alone, I wouldn’t gloat. It’s when they take others along that I find myself lacking sorrow.
I wonder if he gloated when Ambassador Stevens and his co-workers were killed. I’m betting he did.
You?
I’m outta here.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
September 18th, 2012
6:46 pm
It looks like the Republicans have chosen another dud. This reflects on their judgement.
———
No Republican ever ran, much less proposed, a trillion dollar deficit. No Republican ever added $6 trillion to the debt in 3+ years. No Republican doubled the number of folks on food stamps. No Republican lost us our AAA credit rating.
Asking for four more years of such abject, anti-American failure isn’t just bad judgement, it borders on treason.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
6:53 pm
My husband & I were in a few appliance stores over the weekend. When I walked thru the departments that featured washers & dryers, I could not help but notice that almost all of them, both the new washers & dryers, had glass on the front. I asked a salesman why anyone would want a washer or a dryer with glass on the front. He explained to me that they were LIBERAL washers & dryers. When MSNBC does not have enough viewership, they broadcast junk, mostly guided tours of prisons showing prisoners throwing stuff from their cells, stuff that I can’t mention here.
Anyway, the salesman told me that when liberals are denied the opportunity to watch the spin on such cable news channels such as MSNBC, they get their kicks from watching the spin cycles on their washers & dryers. According to him, those glass-front washers & dryers, as expensive as they are, are great sellers, in every color.
Skip
September 18th, 2012
6:57 pm
Poor Mitt, he actually thought he had a chance.Unlike most mindless debates here this will soon have a winner and a loser. Cons heads will explode.
MarkV
September 18th, 2012
7:21 pm
Real Athens @ 6:40 pm
I can hardly believe that I am writing a post contradicting you, especially considering with whom you have this dispute, but I think one should not be silent whenever this subject is so distorted by either side. The great irony is that it is usually the conservatives, who scorn calling the US a democracy.
Of course the US is a democracy. And of course it is a Constitutional Republic, and if you want, a Democratic Republic. It all depends on what we exactly want to say. As a form of government, we are a Constitutional Republic. But we are also a representative democracy because we reach decisions mostly by democratic means and everybody is equal under the law and has equal say, usually through elected representatives. Just like Great Britain is on one hand a Constitutional Monarchy, but at the same time a parliamentary democracy. What we do Not have is Direct Democracy, as a form of government, where decisions are subject to votes by all people.
There was a time, during the WWII, when people talked proudly about the Great Western Democracies opposing Nazism and fascism. Let’s not forget that.
md
September 18th, 2012
7:21 pm
“I’m still waiting for any Con here to answer where all the American jobs went during the past 10 years, what with all of the voo-doo trickled on economics that you like to promote???”
They went offshore because the american consumer buys cheap goods yet demands high wages……tell us all how that math is supposed to ever work??
Linda
September 18th, 2012
7:22 pm
Real@6:40, I think you have the wrong person. I never said that a republic is a form a democracy. I also think you have the wrong party. Lunacy does not exist in the Republican party. Are you mixed up, again?
You also do not need to repeat yourself. Redundancy is unnecessary. Redundancy is a Democratic thingy, doing the same thing for 4 years with no apparent results & asking for 4 more years to do the same thingy.
ld
September 18th, 2012
7:23 pm
Under any “modern” GOP administration, the moneyed investor employer clas will pay LESS percentage of their income in tax and the employee class will pay more, if not immediately, then later as national debt left to their children and grandchildren…..
Kyle hates Obamacare; I am not a fan either. On the “plus” side of Obamacare per the SMALL business employer class perspective (exempt from any requirement to provide medical insurance and able to say to employees or prospective employees ‘go find Obamacare’): now they only need to negotiate w/employees or unions about compensation.
The Obamacare boondoggle will be a boon to the truly SMALL businesses but it will be a “dog”gle to the employee class — as soon as the GOP next hits the political triple crown and has enough political clout to do away w/all assistence and protections intended to aid the employee class and all regulations and oversight intended to reign in costs.
Obamacare update: next up: debtor’s prisons for those that cannot pay the “Robert’s Tax”.
md
September 18th, 2012
7:26 pm
“Citizens United is the result of activist, GOP nominated, Justices to the Supreme Court that make NO apologies for said judicial activism.”
Go watch Scalia’s interview on CNN for some perspective on this issue……the 1st amendment was a driving force. How can they silence every other corporation and not silence the media corporations since they are protected under the 1st?
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
7:31 pm
Talk about mixed up:
“Lunacy does not exist in the Republican party.”
Geez, where does one begin?
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
7:38 pm
This from a person who gets her political advice from washing machine salesman.
I think front loading machines sell better because they do a better job of cleaning by virtue of the laws of gravity. However, I don’t expect a flat Earther to understand basic physics.
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
7:40 pm
MarkV:
MarkV
No worries.
“Difference of opinion makes the horse races.” There is no contradiction and I agree with you fully. Did you watch the video? Did you notice who it was produced by?
Satire.
md
September 18th, 2012
7:43 pm
“Fat and getting fatter: U.S. obesity rates to soar by 2030″
http://news.yahoo.com/fat-getting-fatter-u-obesity-rates-soar-2030-140534331.html
So, now that our benevolent gov’t has it’s sticky little fingers in our healthcare, and has already upped the tax on cigarettes and tanning beds (and the Big Gulp for those in NY), any bets on what our betters will tax next in order to reign in all these fat people??
Or do you folks really think the powers that be will allow all those fat people to mess up the cost structure of their new found entitlement program??
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
7:43 pm
Go to Google
i.e., I got nothin’.
Which is probably a much better move on her part than making up even more absurd, fallacious claims on the matter…
Linda
September 18th, 2012
7:46 pm
Real@7:31, Go ahead. Begin here. Talk about mixed up. Talk about lunacy. Talk about the worst unemployment record since WWII. Talk about the fact that during the Obama adm., not one NET job has been created, despite the spin. It’s simple math. The rate of 7.8% unemployment when he took office is LESS than the 8.1% today AND the labor participation rate is the worst for 32 years. The unemployment rate would be close to 15% if the Bureau of Labor Statistics counted all of those who are actually unemployed.
I could go on. Do you want me to?
md
September 18th, 2012
7:48 pm
“I think front loading machines sell better because they do a better job of cleaning by virtue of the laws of gravity.”
And it’s that same law of gravity that allows them to leak a whole lot more than their cousins ever did……..those gaskets have a lifespan that many of the consumers have yet to experience, but they will and they won’t like it.
MarkV
September 18th, 2012
7:48 pm
Real Athens @7:40 pm
Watched the video but did not notice. Thanks for alerting me.
catlady
September 18th, 2012
7:50 pm
Romney and his ilk, and supporters, are unwilling to admit that they receive a large amount of welfare themselves. He can decry the welfare recepients as soon as he eschews the benefits he gets, and repay those he has gotten.
mike
September 18th, 2012
7:58 pm
I have to hand to you conservatives. You soldier on even though your cause it hopeless.
Mitt Romney is going to suffer one of the worst defeats ever recorded in the political history of the United States.
I know that many of you are hoping for a “miracle.” Unfortunately, that miracle will not be forthcoming.
Therefore flail away. Thrash with all of your might. Tilt at windmills. It’s all for naught.
Professional candidate Romney will be tossed onto the flotsam of history to be forgotten and fade into obscurity.
The best part is that the major part of the reason he will be defeated is his own fault and his own big mouth.
Too bad.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
September 18th, 2012
8:06 pm
Hey mike. Since you know so much in advance, what are the lottery numbers for this weekend?
Otherwise, your flaccid pronouncments mean nothing.
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
8:08 pm
Linda@ 7:46
Almost verbatim. I’d expect no less.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/05/04/obama_s_orwellian_unemployment_numbers
No need to go on. It’s already been said.
Mary Elizabeth
September 18th, 2012
8:08 pm
I received an e-mail today from my friend of 45 years from NYC, who asked and answered this question: “Who are the 45% really?” I asked her if I could post that on blogs in Atlanta. She said she would be pleased for me to do so. Here it is:
————————————————-
Who are the 45% really?
The disabled veterans who come home brain damaged or missing limbs? Or damaged by Agent Orange from the VietNam war?
The elderly who depend on Social Security, to which they have contributed all their lives?
The disabled, struck down by injury or illness through no fault of their own?
How about ordinary citizens struck down by bullets from assault weapons carried by psychos who obtained them easily thanks to the efforts of the NRA?
Members of the middle class who worked all their lives with the agreement that part of their job agreement would be a pension which would enable them to live comfortably into their retirement? Many of these pensions were cut by a third, or in half, or outright disappeared by top execs who either grossly mismanaged, or who stole the money to fatten their own pensions and golden parachutes?
Those members of the middle class and working people bankrupted by an unexpected illness, who because of it lose their jobs, health insurance, and then all their money and their homes as they struggle to pay for uninsured care?
Those screwed by insurance companies who claim they had a prior condition? (Romney wants to undo Obamacare)
In Romney’s dog-eat-dog every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost world, no one cares for anyone else. People get fired because it is convenient to ship their jobs to a cheaper venue. And what happens in the countries where labor unions are attacked or destroyed, and where their governments don’t regulate corporations? The recent terrible fire in a Pakistani textile factory, where 300 people were either burned to death, died from smoke inhalation, or dashed to death on the pavement because they jumped out of windows—is what can happen when there aren’t strong unions, strong government regulation of the workplace, and a community that seriously cares about its members.
Romney revealed what he really is. Fortunately.”
Del
September 18th, 2012
8:09 pm
Bookmans over there blowing smoke up where his flocks sun never shines but they’re luving it and bending over for more. They’re the mindless that help make up the 47% Romney spoke about. Although I do disagree with Mitt to the extent that Obummers assured 47% of the electorate is also comprised of wealthy ideologues who won’t share their own wealth but want everyone else to share theirs. There are many down on their luck Americans who may be taking government sustenance because they have to but don’t want to. Romney needs to differentiate from those that crave the Democrats, hold them beholden to our party strategy from those who truly want to break loose and live free. This is indeed a defining moment that will determine whether or not Americans want to live free or bow to the temptations of big government socialism that will continue to take us down the road to ruin.
mike
September 18th, 2012
8:10 pm
Can pronouncements be flaccid or erect? That is the question before us.
Now that is a profound question.
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
8:13 pm
those gaskets have a lifespan that many of the consumers have yet to experience, but they will and they won’t like it.
Yep, just because something is relatively new doesn’t make it necessarily better.
mike
September 18th, 2012
8:14 pm
Hey, mike. Here’s why I agree or disagree with your post:
crickets
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
September 18th, 2012
8:14 pm
Got it Mary Elizabeth. Romney not only killed a lady via cancer, he’s now responsible for over 300 deaths in Pakistan.
The reason those 300 people ate dead is BECAUSE of unions. If they hadn’t priced American manufacturing out of business, those 300 would never have had a factory to enter.
You libs have no clue about cause and effect.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
September 18th, 2012
8:17 pm
Mike, I can disagree with your post all day long.
But you aren’t going to listen to reason, so why bother?
Del
September 18th, 2012
8:17 pm
mike, Aren’t you really referring to presentations?
md
September 18th, 2012
8:20 pm
HD…..years ago, I worked at a place that had a room full of front load commercial washers……all I can say is thank goodness there was a floor drain in the middle of the room. And the replacement gaskets never held up as long as the originals.
I’ve lived most of my life evidently with not as clean clothes as I could have, but it’ll be a cold day in hades when I buy one of those front loaders. As if one could really tell a difference.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
8:22 pm
Real@7:38, Republicans don’t get political advice from washer & dryer salesmen. AGAIN, that’s NOT what I said. What I said is that liberals buy glass-front washers & dryers to view their spin, according to washer & dryer salesmen.
You, a liberal, admit to the belief that “front-loading machines do a better job of cleaning by virtue of the laws of gravity.” How noble! You, as a liberal, also believe that green-house gases don’t enhance the laws of thermodynamics.
Pitiful, just pitiful.
.
mike
September 18th, 2012
8:24 pm
Look. I understand your desperation. I really do.
The next possible chance the Republicans have to win the White House is 2024, if at all.
When you gravitate to the extreme right wing nutcases and tea party clown parade, that’s the only thing you can expect.
But, look, don’t worry. If you — conservatives — get mad enough. And I mean REALLY mad, then maybe, just maybe, someone other than your own nutcase party will listen to you.
I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
8:24 pm
md
When I built my house, I built it with the idea that everything in it would one day have to be fixed. It’s inevitable that things are going to tear up, so I built for ease of repair, as well as structure. All the other stuff is just window dressing.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
September 18th, 2012
8:28 pm
2024, Mike? What are you smoking?
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
8:30 pm
The next possible chance the Republicans have to win the White House is 2024, if at all.
Back in ‘68, they said the Democrats would never win again. In ‘76, it was the Republicans who would never win again. By ‘88 it was back to the Democrats who would never win again. By ‘96 it was back to the Republicans never winning again and in 2004 we were back to Democrats never winning again. These things run in 8-12 year cycles. The American public has a short attention span and gets bored easy. Anybody looking ahead more than 4 years is gazing into a crystal ball.
Just a couple weeks ago, most folks thought the election would turn on the economy and it still may but that was before the Libyan Embassy situation. The unexpected has a way of turning political predictions on their head.
mike
September 18th, 2012
8:31 pm
Here’s why the Republicans have a good chance of winning a presidential election before 2024:
crickets
Linda
September 18th, 2012
8:32 pm
Real@8:08, Why cite another site that dittos the unemployment rates, that are the worse since the Great Depression?
Are you disagreeing with the facts?
Del
September 18th, 2012
8:32 pm
mike you sound like an incensed left wing ideologue. Calm down, Obama may lose the election and you will still need to hang on to whatever rationality you might have left.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
September 18th, 2012
8:33 pm
In Romney’s dog-eat-dog every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost world, no one cares for anyone else.
———-
Pure garbage, as usual where Mary Elizabeth’s blatherings are concerned.
How much did Romney give to charity last year? You should be ashamed for repeating your friends lies. You exhibit an ignorance typical of non-thinking libtards. Pardon the redundancy.
md
September 18th, 2012
8:35 pm
hd….that’s how I designed my yard……nothing sticking up to get in the way of the mower…..all borders at ground level. Run that mower over the top and never touch that weed whacker again…….
And the house was designed to function, not necessarily look pretty.
And I buy most of my furniture at flea markets/antique stores because the crap they make these days is designed to last no more than a few years……go into the stores nowadays and very little of the furniture is dovetailed……makes me want to cry.
We now live in a disposable society…..by design. Hence the iphone555.
gm
September 18th, 2012
8:36 pm
What states has more people that dont pay taxes, you guess it southern states who voted for MCcain, the man comes out and insult his own party, ha, ha, the sad thing these people live in Georgia.
mike
September 18th, 2012
8:39 pm
For those with enough sense to realize it, the conservatives have shifted so far to the right — even to the far right clown show called the tea party, they have alienated the vast majority of voters.
This is not real complicated. You just can’t win elections with old, rich white guys. THEY ARE A MINORITY.
Not just a minority, but a woeful minority.
You had better get used to it.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
8:40 pm
It’s worth recalling that a good chunk of the 47 percent who don’t pay income taxes are Romney supporters—especially of course seniors (who might well “believe they are entitled to heath care,” a position Romney agrees with), as well as many lower-income Americans including men and women serving in the military who think conservative policies are better for the country even if they’re not getting a tax cut under the Romney plan.
So Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him. ~ WILLIAM KRISTOL
You neocons have another idiot candidate…
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
8:40 pm
go into the stores nowadays and very little of the furniture is dovetailed
Most of it isn’t even “real” wood. It’s press board with a paper or veneer surface to look like dimension lumber. IKEA type furniture is the spawn of Satan, when it comes to furniture, in my opinion.
Real Athens
September 18th, 2012
8:42 pm
Dittohead @ 8:32
The unemployment rate for 1982 was 9.7%.
Really it isn’t that hard.
Thermodynamics? I’m awaiting your thesis on the Three Laws and the application of the Zeroth Principle.
You slay me.
gm
September 18th, 2012
8:43 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
You are the typical joke conservative that live in Georgia, backing a person who look at you as poor w—trash because you are not at this level.
Mitt is a disgrace to this country, and the sad thing because fox no news viewers dont research these people think he is talking about minorites, when he is talking about poor southerners who voted rep, wow
mike
September 18th, 2012
8:48 pm
OK, everyone gather around in a circle and shout REAL LOUD! Shout it so those LIBTARDS can hear it!
MITT’S GOING TO WIN! MITT’S GOING TO WIN! MITT’S GOING TO WIN!
Now, tell the truth. You feel better don’t you? DON’T YOU?
md
September 18th, 2012
8:49 pm
” IKEA type furniture is the spawn of Satan, when it comes to furniture, in my opinion.”
Not to mention it’s also mostly retro…..I’ve done my time in the 60’s already thank you very much. It was ugly then and it’s still ugly.
I’ve been in the IKEA store once….that was enough. Craftsmanship is a lost art when it comes to furniture, but since a good bit of it now comes from China, it’s not hard to understand why.
What really happened
September 18th, 2012
8:50 pm
A good source told me the DNC has two more videos (or soundbytes) that they will use as needed. The playbook works like this. When Barrack makes a more serious mistake (i.e. Libya debacle) and the heat begins to build, you release one of these gems. And behold, what is everyone talking about. It is so easy to move the public where you want them to be.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
8:55 pm
(i.e. Libya debacle)
Is that the one where Mitt blamed our embassy personnel overseas for sympathizing with their attackers?
Linda
September 18th, 2012
8:55 pm
Mary Eliabth@8:08, You are on a conservative blog & we don’t buy into your rhetoric. We know Obama & the Democrats cut $716 B from Medicare to fund Obamacare. We know Obama & the Democrats are taxing wheelchairs, pace makers, stints, etc.to fund Obamacare.
We know that Obama will curb our second amendment rights. That’s why gun & ammo sales are going thru the roof.
We know that ordinary taxpayers cannot continue to fund extraordinary pension & health care benefits for city or state workers, unless they are in Democrat cites & states who will declare bankruptcy as times get tougher.
I’m surprised you are even on here tonight. Usually, we await your comments when Kyle blogs about charter schools, the worst thing that can happen for the progressives’ agenda on dumbing down our children, in a systematic means.
Del
September 18th, 2012
8:56 pm
Ummm, me thinks the libs protest too hard. I smell fear.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
9:01 pm
Yep, fear that the laughter will become uncontrollable as Mitt’s campaign completely self-destructs.
“Certainly this is a bump in the road.” ~Romney campaign adviser Bay Buchanan
4,000 millionaires in Romney’s ‘47%’
The Tax Policy Center estimates that 4,000 households with incomes over $1 million ended up with zero federal income tax liability in 2011. Another 14,000 made between $500,000 and $1 million.
What a dunderhead.
md
September 18th, 2012
9:01 pm
“Is that the one where Mitt blamed our embassy personnel overseas for sympathizing with their attackers?”
No, that’s the one where they apologized to their attackers for one of their citizens exercising his right to free speech. The same speech that’s practiced over here day in and day out, sometimes even on these blogs.
We won’t last very long as a Nation if we are going to apologize for what we believe in……….
Del
September 18th, 2012
9:01 pm
Linda,
Don’t go too hard on Mary Elizabeth. Yes, she posts epistles that not many fully read, including liberals who only pretend they do but she’s a nice lady albeit misinformed who means well.
gm
September 18th, 2012
9:04 pm
$716 B from Medicare to fund Obamacare, another talking point by low informed fox viewer, the idiot at fox are not telling the American people those seniors are using Obama care and loving it.
Those Seniors drug cost have not increased they have decreased, the right vampires rather give Granny a vocher and fight the insurance company.
Hillbilly D
September 18th, 2012
9:06 pm
Those Seniors drug cost have not increased they have decreased,
That wouldn’t be any of the seniors that I know.
md
September 18th, 2012
9:06 pm
“Those Seniors drug cost have not increased they have decreased, the right vampires rather give Granny a vocher and fight the insurance company.”
Thanks for the chuckle……debate a “talking point” with a “talking point”……..too funny.
Del
September 18th, 2012
9:09 pm
The anti corporate activists and Bolsheviks spew their anti American propaganda but they’re America’s losers and the dregs of our society.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
9:13 pm
CNN contributor and conservative blogger Erick Erickson tweeted: “Dammit! I’m just now seeing these Romney secret videos. We need that guy on the campaign trail!”
Others, such as New York Times columnist, David Brooks, wrote “Romney’s comment is a country-club fantasy. It’s what self-satisfied millionaires say to each other. It reinforces every negative view people have about Romney.”
And conservative commentator Bill Kristol, a frequent critic of Romney, called the remarks “stupid and arrogant.”
(Would someone tell Del that McCarthyism died a horrific and shameful death sixty years ago? Thank you.)
Del
September 18th, 2012
9:17 pm
Would someone tell JamVet that communism and hippyism died over a generation ago.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
9:17 pm
Real@8:42, So, now I’m a Dittohead? Really?
All you have to do is to compare the unemployment rates when Reagan came in to office with those of his continued administration. All you have to do is to compare the unemployment rates during Bush with those during Obama.
Reagen inherited a much worse economy & unemployment rate & fixed it, pronto.
Obama inherited a bad economy & a lower unemployment rate, promised to fix it, didn’t fix it, said it was worse than he thought, MADE IT WORSE, claims he needs another 4 years to fix it, offers no new ideas to fix it & goes off to fund-raisers in lieu of meeting with his job council.
Del
September 18th, 2012
9:26 pm
Ah, the old hippies from the 60’s you see over on bookman that come here on occasion. Even more pathetic than them is the 70’s, 80’s crowd and even the most pathetic are the far-left kid posters. The left is America’s stuck on stupid demographic.
Del
September 18th, 2012
9:28 pm
Okay…firsties as the say over on peter pan and fairy land.
JamVet
September 18th, 2012
9:31 pm
So out of one side of your mouth you speak of American Bolsheviks in the present tense and out of the other side of your mouth you say that communism died over a generation ago.
So which is it?
You seem very confused! LOL!
mike
September 18th, 2012
9:34 pm
It’s those damned hippies, non-corporatist activists. Communists, Bolsheviks and general ne’r-do-wells! That’s why we’re going to lose in November! It’s THEIR FAULT! Not ours!
gm
September 18th, 2012
9:37 pm
Ah, Ah, the right always have to go 30 years to find a decent President, Reagan raised taxes what about 14 times? how many wars did we have going on when Reagan was President?
Reagan increased the debt by 2 trillion, but that was ok for the right hypocrites
Linda
September 18th, 2012
9:39 pm
Del@9:01, You are where my husband & I were 4 years ago. We didn’t even know what progressives were all about back then. You are in la la land if you think that progressives such as Obama are not completely all out to destroy the USA.
During Obama’s first year, we thought he was inexperienced.
During Obama’s second year, we thought he was misguided.
During Obama’s third year, we realized he was too smart, too intelligent not to know exactly what he was doing to our economy.
During Obama’s fourth year, we are convinced that Obama, a progressive, has a mission to destroy the United States of America.
We finally know what the progressive movement is all about. Progressives is a feel good term for socialists, Marxists, statiests, nationalists, communists, etc.
Del
September 18th, 2012
9:41 pm
I don’t think you even know what you’re talking about Jam because all you post are diatribes about George W. Bush or your dislike of conservatives. You come across as a consummate left wing Kool-Aid junkie but that’s your right.
ODD OWL
September 18th, 2012
9:42 pm
The economy is growing, slowly but its growing… Despite all the intransigence, filibustering and obstruction by Mean Mitch McConnell and the Republicans, the unemployment rate for White Americans is 6 %… A 6 % unemployment rate is normal even when the economy is doing great… There is only ONE reason why so many non rich White People refuse to support and vote for president Obama and the Democrats… We all know what that reason is… We the People must work harder to overcome the Romney/Ryan Republicans fear, hate and smear, divisive, divide and conquer tactics… There are no blue states, no red states, just the United States… Remember that ???
mike
September 18th, 2012
9:43 pm
Bill Kristol: Romney Remarks are ‘Arrogant And Stupid’
“But that shouldn’t blind us to the fact that Romney’s comments, like those of Obama four years ago, are arrogant and stupid.
“Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him.”
Del
September 18th, 2012
9:50 pm
Hi Linda I’ll soon be 70 years old. I’ve survived injuries, war, cancer and the hard knocks of the business world, so evidently according to you even La La land. I’ll trust my odds for making it through whatever time I have left.
gm
September 18th, 2012
9:57 pm
Linda
progressive, has a mission to destroy the United States of America.
We finally know what the progressive movement is all about. Progressives is a feel good term for socialists, Marxists, statiests, nationalists, communists, etc.
This shows the Anti American people we have in this country, you would not know a communist if it came to your neighbor hood, sad thing is Obama and our veterans kept people like you safe for the last 4 years.
You are our inside terrorist, there is no different between you and the one overseas, both of you hate the President of the United States, people like you make me wish I never served this country””””””
Linda
September 18th, 2012
10:07 pm
To add to my comment @6:53 regarding liberals’ desire to watch their washers & dryers spin their clothes when their other liberal news sources, such as MSNBC, are airing prison interviews with feces being thrown out of jail cells, I refer to Bill O’Reilly on FOX News & his No Spin Zone. Evidently, Bill had no clue to liberals’ washers & dryers.
Del
September 18th, 2012
10:07 pm
Okay Taps y’all. Have a nice evening, I’m out.
ragnar danneskjold
September 18th, 2012
10:08 pm
Only leftists think larger government is better. Rational people know otherwise.
gm
September 18th, 2012
10:17 pm
ragnar danneskjold
Please return your ssi, va, pell grant, medicaide, Bush stimulas check, femma help
Patty
September 18th, 2012
10:22 pm
Why are we even talking about this when the Middle East is railing against us, our economy is in the toilet and our president is too busy campaigning to DO HIS JOB?
Maybe it’s because Obama’s never done the job in the first place. . .
cc
September 18th, 2012
10:24 pm
Linda@9:39 pm:
“During Obama’s fourth year, we are convinced that Obama, a progressive, has a mission to destroy the United States of America.”
This is exactly what I have thought and said from even before he was elected. People who think him incompetent or a fool are only deluding themselves. Obama knows EXACTLY what he is doing and has never wavered from his goal, which is to destroy America. His ‘blind’ followers are beyond redemption; those who oppose him and his communist regime MUST recognize (1) Obama for what he truly is, and (2) his goal and the end game.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
10:28 pm
gm@9:57, I have no clue as to why you are trying to sidle up to me & at the same time insulting me by calling my a terrorist. Is Obama & his Chicago goons coming for me?
Obama is indeed a progressive. I agree with Col. Allen West when he called the progressives Communists.
How do you feel about Obama appointing an admitted Communist, Van Jones, to his administration?
Obama kept our forts (Hood) & our embassies safe in the Middle East for the the last 4 years?
Linda
September 18th, 2012
10:43 pm
cc@10:24, No one has come out with this much fortitude before now. People have been reluctant to speak out against the first black president, afraid to be be called racist, in spite of the race baiters who never stop at accusing dissenters of being such.
The truth is that Obama’s goal is to destroy the USA of America. The evidence is there.
What this blog is about today is sickening. We have the Obama adm. advertising with taxpayer dollars the availability of food stamps on the radio in SPANISH. Sick!
gm
September 18th, 2012
10:53 pm
This get better for Mitt, he is on tape saying the nation is in trouble if all latinos vote Dem, Thank you Mitt for showing who you are and your racist party is all about.
I wonder if the mental, spineless Anti American rep women as Linda, CC would feel this way if someone they love had of lost their lives at 911, it make you wonder why President Obama bothered to keep people like this safe for 4 years?
gm
September 18th, 2012
10:57 pm
Linda, Cc
These women show you why Georgia conservative women are no threat in Georgia, funny the 47% Mitt was talking about half lives in Georgia 75 south trailer, these women show why the rep men keep them in their place.
September 18th, 2012
10:43 pm
cc
gm
September 18th, 2012
11:01 pm
linda
Obama kept our forts (Hood) & our embassies safe in the Middle East for the the last 4 years?
I guess it was ok for American embassey to be attacked 13 times under Bush Administration ? I guess it was ok for 3500 Americans to die under his watch 911?
cc
September 18th, 2012
11:11 pm
Linda:
“afraid to be be called racist”
This tactic was adopted during Hussein’s campaign to limit any exposure of factual information about his background and associates and continued in his administration (regime) to discourage criticism of his obvious failures to the people who believed him to be working in the interests of the United States. His sycophants enthusiastically adopted the tactic as evidenced even here on this blog.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
September 18th, 2012
11:14 pm
I think this particular topic of Kyle’s has generated more idiotic diarrheal discharge from the liberal side as has any other in the past 6 months.
If we had an IQ test over here before posting, you’d all be stuck at Bookman’s.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
11:14 pm
gm@10:53, I thought you might still be reading the Fiscal Inquiry Commission Report that I referred to you to earlier, but, no, you don’t have any desire to ascertain the truth, fair & balanced. Your only desire is to lambast Republicans & spew your racist rhetoric.
What is “mental?” You think conservatives are crazy?
Spineless? Do you think we are afraid?
Anti-American? Do you think we are against the Constitution?
Obama is bothering to keep people like us safe? Do you realize how inflammatory that statement is?
Did you know that race-baiting is worse than being racist?
td
September 18th, 2012
11:18 pm
Wow, the libs are pulling their hair out and going nutty today and the conservatives are finially showing so guts!!!!! I love it
cc
September 18th, 2012
11:21 pm
Linda:
There are some who blog here attempting to engage conservatives. Unfortunately, their limited resources will neither allow discourse nor be a good investment of one’s time. To respond to them will serve only to encourage their inane comments.
cc
September 18th, 2012
11:25 pm
Tiberius@11:14 pm:
You are absolutely correct, sir!
cc
September 18th, 2012
11:32 pm
td:
If you keep on playing where I found you tonight, your IQ is guaranteed to lessen by at least 40!
Linda
September 18th, 2012
11:36 pm
gm@10:57, If I had a trailer, I would put my trailer up against your trailer any time.
Republican women are kept in place by Republican men?
You are the most sexist blogger on Kyle’s site.
You are pitiful. As you are a spokesman for Obama, get me out of here, NOW.
gm@11:01, The difference between Bush & Obama is that Bush was not flying the planes on 9/11/11 but Obama has been flying his anti-business agenda for almost 4 yrs.
The entire Middle East is exploding with terrorism & violence under Obama’s watch as a result of Obama’s policies.
Linda
September 18th, 2012
11:40 pm
cc@11:11, Exactly right.
11:21, Exactly right, again.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 18th, 2012
11:46 pm
Obama gets punked…….expect outrage from thin skinned Liberals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQu2SVFF-cU
cc
September 18th, 2012
11:52 pm
“The entire Middle East is exploding with terrorism & violence under Obama’s watch as a result of Obama’s policies.”
If a revolution has any opportunity for success in the Middle East, it will receive backing from Obama/Clinton only if the succeeding replacement government is Al-Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood and fully intends harm to the United States.
td
September 18th, 2012
11:58 pm
cc
September 18th, 2012
11:32 pm
td:
If you keep on playing where I found you tonight, your IQ is guaranteed to lessen by at least 40!
I rule that blog and they hate me over there. It is my mission to drive them all crazy to the point that they all leave. It helps when a few more conservatives come and play, one can see them drooling on their key boards.
Linda
September 19th, 2012
12:08 am
Anyone who thinks the US will not be dragged into a confrontation with Iran, sooner or later, is an idiot. Anyone who thinks that the confrontation with Iran armed with nuclear weapons will be nicer than the confrontation with Iran without being armed with nuclear weapons is also an idiot. It’s only a matter of time & a matter of nukes & a matter of months.
cc
September 19th, 2012
12:11 am
Gimme Gimme Gimme@11:46 pm:
Very good!
td@11:58 pm:
OK. I’m sorry that they have combined your name with mine. Sometimes I think the idiots believe we are the same person!
cc
September 19th, 2012
12:26 am
Linda@12:08 am:
I believe that Israel will move alone against Iran very, very soon, and that Netanyahu now realizes that Hussein will provide no assistance as an ally. The United States is thought internationally to be a waning world power and our allies now distrust us, and rightfully so. The damage done by Hussein to U. S. influence abroad and our relationships with allies is incalculable.
Linda
September 19th, 2012
12:38 am
cc@12:28, Obama & the Democratic party have clearly abandoned Israel. Israel is afraid that the US will take the same stance against them that we took against Iraq when Iraq invaded Kuwait, except in language.
The US is apparently now the laughing stock of the Middle East, with Obama’s foreign policy & our national defenseless policy as well as our energy policy & our fiscal policy. We are considered helpless & hopeless but hopey & changey.
Ernest T Bass
September 19th, 2012
12:47 am
Game. Set. Match.
Obama
cc
September 19th, 2012
1:13 am
Ernest T Bass@12:47 am:
Your comment says it all. You and your ilk view this only as a game *Hooray for our side!) of winner and loser, and you either fail to understand or actively desire the destruction of this nation.
cc
September 19th, 2012
1:17 am
Linda@12:38 am:
We’ve definitely got “change” with rapidly fading “hope” for the survival of America.
ODD OWL
September 19th, 2012
2:18 am
@ Linda 12:38 post…. Linda is a cronic scape goater who is attempting to project her political party’s failures and shortcomings onto innocent , morally superior Democrats… Linda have a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth, without engaging the brain… CNN and FOX, both of which spew Republican disinformation and propaganda are bending over backwards, jumping through hoops, doing backflips in their attempts to explain away the Romney/Ryan Republican’s perpetual gaffes…
Michael H. Smith
September 19th, 2012
3:06 am
All you people look over there and just ignore the fact the guy I want to run this country is a bully, an arsewipe who isn’t interested in the plight of the poor and working class unless it hurts his (and his buddies) bank accounts.
Well gee brucie, what should we do for the 47%, increase their welfare checks, give’em more food stamps, raise the limit on their EBT card, get’em a larger nicer section 8 house?
The poor and working class? Remind me brucie cause I forgot exactly where is obama and your other rich democrat buddies are located in the poor and working class, since they too qualify as millionaires and billionaires?
Get real folks, what the majority of that 47% need is either a job or a better job, not less taxes or more government assistance. Under “obama” the U.S. economy has created a NET JOB LOSS, the cost of living has increased, incomes have gone down, while government assistance has gone up. Do the math as Bill Clinton says, this is not the equation for upward mobility if you are poor or one of the so-callled “working class”.
Hey brucie my boss is old and rich but he works his arse off everyday. Actually he works harder he than your unionized fire fighter buddies that he pays with his taxes. He even works harder than many of the poor, and as you say, working class people he employs that are 30 years younger than him.
Are you insinuating he is a loafer, a deadbeat who didn’t earn it, not one of the “working class” people who doesn’t really work for a living, somebody else did it for him and built his business, aye brucie?
Nobody ever gave the man a cent he didn’t WORK TO EARN, wilcox!
Bob
September 19th, 2012
3:58 am
This country can not survive four more years of Obama.
cc
September 19th, 2012
4:15 am
Bob@3:58 am:
“This country can not survive four more years of Obama.”
. . . which is EXACTLY Hussein’s plan and mission.
ODD OWL@2:18 am:
“. . . their attempts to explain away the Romney/Ryan Republican’s perpetual gaffes…”
How many of Hussein’s gaffes would you like to explain? I have quite a few of them. You are today’s ‘poster child’ for the democrat party ‘talking points’. Does it make you proud?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
September 19th, 2012
5:49 am
Romney doesn’t mention vets – gaffe.
Romney talks about the height of trees – gaffe.
Romney (rightly) speaks about Obama voters wanting dependency – gaffe.
Romney (rightly) defends American values when speaking about the attacks against American embassies – gaffe.
Romney picks Snooki over Honey Boo-Boo – gaffe.
Romney wakes up on any given morning – gaffe.
This is the mantra from the left that will continue until this race is decided in November by voters.
cc
September 19th, 2012
6:08 am
So very true, Tiberierius . . .
#Occupy my desk...
September 19th, 2012
6:11 am
The bouncing ball of distraction continues – never mind the fiscal piano hanging over your head – Sandra Fluke! Wars on things! Romney video!
The funny part of this is that comments across the interwebs seem to indicate that liberals actually thought this was gotcha video. It isn’t. It’s like…pretty much the party platform, stated too casually for HuffPo consumption. Many Obama supporters choose Bread & Circuses over austerity and fiscal soundness. (Google Bread & Circuses, folks) Picture standing in a burning house, Obama in front of you holding a popsicle – and that is all you care about…
HadIt
September 19th, 2012
6:14 am
I keep hearing about how unfair it is that 47 % don’t pay taxes and that everyone should have skin in the game when it comes to the burden of taxes. Ok, tax them. But to be fair, let’s have everyone have some skin in the game when it comes to burdens of war. We should have a special draft for the children in the top 1 % of households and require them to serve in front line positions. That way, 1 % of all deaths and amputees will be from the top 1%. It’s only fair. As for Mitt, what was his contribution to the war of his generation, Vietnam? He bicycled across France with a student deferment after having demonstrated in favor of the war. Another chicken hawk from a long line of Republican chicken hawks.
nelson
September 19th, 2012
6:21 am
The entire crux of the whole 47% issue is; Prez O is the 1st Prez in history that encourages dependency on government. All the other Prezs wanted a strong independent populace that could carry the flag high and be the envy of the world. Chicago-vibrant, strong rail center of the nation, tough,hard working, not the murder capital. NYC= Wall st and center for commerce, all the cities were big contributors to a vibrant economy, now, rust belts, abandoned shells of a past magnificance. Romney wants a rennisance, a new America, land of opportunity. He is right, all the potential is still there.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
September 19th, 2012
6:21 am
Nice to see how HadIt reduces someones dedication to his faith as “bicycling across France”.
cc
September 19th, 2012
6:30 am
The Hollywood liberals really torque me with their support for the socialist/communist president. They tweet, twitter and speak of redistribution of wealth using other words. OK, fine, why not confiscate all their wealth plus their future earnings and redistribute it in the name of being ‘fair’? I do believe Hollywood would find itself a veritable hotbed of conservatism should that occur . . .
DeborahinAthens
September 19th, 2012
6:46 am
It isn’t fair to compare what Mitt says about 47% of the country to what a bloviators like Boortz says. The President of the free world is supposed to guide and support all of this nations citizens, whereas the Boortzs and Hannitys are entertainers, who stir the pot to make money from advertisers. When things settle down and get quiet they come up with some other piece of garbage to stir the pot. A majority of the 47% that do not pay taxes are retired people who have worked their whole lives and paid into SS and Medicare, and now expect to get some of their money back. The Repugs feed off the BS that there is a vast wasteland of useless people sucking at the teat of the Republic. These people, they tell us, for some reason cannot seem to pull themselves up by their bootstraps the way Mittster, son of a multi millionaire, Bush, son of a multi millionaire, and Ryan, son of a very wealthy family did. The earned income tax credit that frosts their A$$es was formulated during the Reagan administration. Mitt wants the 47% to be cast adrift so the 51% can sail on like the Titanic. A good leader, like President Obama, believes that a rising tide floats all boats. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Having an equitable tax rate where the very wealthy pays a higher percentage worked well in this country during our most productive and expansionist years. Why, suddenly this hysteria over taxes?
mark
September 19th, 2012
7:17 am
The tax code that allows my $50000 a year household pay very little federal income tax is due to Ronald “Ray Guns” and Bush Jr. tax credits. The worst one is the $1000/child tax credit. One year I had to call a republican friend and ask him how am I getting more money back than I paid in? The George W Bush child tax credit!! I do believe he was a republican!! I am a teacher, not a victim, ok a I feel a little like a victim with my 8 furlough days equalling $2400 in lost pay this year. Their goes my tax bill!!
cc
September 19th, 2012
7:18 am
DeborahinAthens@6:46 am:
“A majority of the 47% that do not pay taxes are retired people”
I am retired and I know quite a few people who are now retired. Of course, I don’t know ALL retired people, but I’m only asking for myself; since I pay no taxes, may I count on you to handle my ‘non-tax payment’ on April 15th? Everyone I know who is retired ARE paying taxes, or maybe you’re familiar with some loophole we haven’t been able to identify?
Numbers-R-US
September 19th, 2012
7:35 am
Tell us all about the significance of that 47% that pay no income tax and are moochers, government dependents, looking for entitlements. I read somewhere that over half of the entitlement spending goes to the elderly in the form of social security and medicare. Didn’t those elderly pay into those trust funds their entire working lives in order to qualify for their mooching, Kyle. It sounds like your boy, Mitt, thinks more of peopple that utilize Swiss bank accounts than he does the working class that actually earned what they have.
Numbers-R-US
September 19th, 2012
7:43 am
I was considering bicycling across France and sampling the wines but I knew it would be tough to try to compete with Mitt. His dad could afford to buy him a plane ticket or even a plane, for one thing. And a bicycle. My dad did not have that kind of money so I stayed home and signed up for the service as required by law. I was classified 1A with lucky number 25. Then they quit drafting people. I didn’t need to figure out how to get to France or worry about competing with Mitt any more.
iggy
September 19th, 2012
7:54 am
No surprise that one of the “carters” was involved in the release of the “47% video”.
Aser706
September 19th, 2012
8:11 am
47% means that the Dems only have to campaign for 4% to win an election.
John Vance
September 19th, 2012
8:15 am
I love how James Carter talked about how Romney is so out of touch with the middle class and poor. He said this as he got out of his Chauffeur driven LIMO.
Lynnie Gal
September 19th, 2012
8:24 am
Romney’s comments were not “gaffes”. It’s what he believes. You don’t think he should have said it, because it’s much better politically to hold such beliefs in secret before an election than actually tell people what you believe and what you intend to do to them. Mr. Romney says 47% don’t pay taxes. Does that include himself and his donors? Mr. Romney admits to paying half the percentage in taxes as most Americans and has hidden money in the Cayman Islands and elsewhere to avoid paying his share of taxes. He flatly refuses to release more than one year of taxes, and it is widely suspected that the reason he must keep his own taxes secret is because he paid ZERO taxes for several years. Romney tells us–trust me. I pay 13% in taxes. Really? Show us. Mr. Romney was ironically talking about himself when he stated that 47% of Americans don’t pay income taxes.
Aser706
September 19th, 2012
8:31 am
Mark:
You deduct furlough days from your total taxable income. So, they have nothing to do with your tax bill. The wages lost may keep you from a higher tax bracket…
AU Liberal in ATL
September 19th, 2012
8:35 am
I’ll tell you where he went wrong. He is without exception the worst political candidate I’ve ever seen. He went wrong when he decided to run for president. Pathetic!
Uneducated, uninformed, vote against my best interest, Howdy Doody
September 19th, 2012
8:38 am
Mitch Romley gits my vote becoze he is onnest and he is a good Christan famly man. All Christains shoud be votin for Mitch.
Aser706
September 19th, 2012
8:40 am
Lynnie….
So you’re saying Mitt Romney is good with money? What’s wrong with that?
Answers?
September 19th, 2012
8:41 am
I strongly suspect that Mr. Romney is one of the 47 percent he speaks of. I’d bet a paycheck that’s why he’s refused to release more of his personal tax info. Perfectly legal, but from my point of view, it doesn’t seem very patriotic for a man of his vast wealth. Don’t trust him.
JamVet
September 19th, 2012
8:41 am
…socialist/communist president.
Would someone tell cc that McCarthyism died a horrific and shameful death sixty years ago?
Thank you.
cc
September 19th, 2012
8:42 am
Lynnie Gal@8:24 am:
I’m not a financial wizard, but I’d be willing to bet that 13% taxes for him is a nickel or two more than you pay? As to his “hidden money”, I’m sure that you can provide us with credible sources for this information, other than Media Matters and PMS/NBC? Since you know about his “hidden money”, perhaps you can enlighten us as to exactly how much it is?
Answers?
September 19th, 2012
8:44 am
You’re right, Iggy. The Carters are an admirable family. 99 times out of 100 they do the right thing. No surprises from the Carter clan.
Answers?
September 19th, 2012
8:46 am
I’m curious, cc. Why do you feel the need to defend Romney’s use of off shore banks? Would you do that if he were a Democrat? Didn’t think so. Are you familiar with this word: hypocrite?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
8:48 am
romney has one allegiance: to the Cayman Islands
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the Cayman Islands, and to the Banks for which it stands, one Group of Bankers under Moola, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all my wealthy friends.
cc
September 19th, 2012
8:49 am
JamVet@8:41 am:
You can tell me that yourself, and it’s not McCarthyism, JamVet, it is reality. You’d have to be blind or mentally challenged not to see it . . .
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
8:50 am
cc must be one of the 1%. Why else would someone defend the sleazy bankers who stole all our 401k money?
iggy
September 19th, 2012
8:51 am
“The Carters are an admirable family. 99 times out of 100 they do the right thing.”
Right vs political expediant…learn the difference. Plus that Carter kid looked to be entering his second trimester. He should get with Grandpa Jimmuh and build some houses or weave some baskets.
You youngsters seem to revere this Jimmuh Carter yet forget what a lousy President he was. And Jimmuh seems to forget he was basically “run out of town.”
iggy
September 19th, 2012
8:52 am
“who stole all our 401k money?”
Stole our 401K money? That makes no sense…If people chose to cash-out early and pay the huge penalties then thats their problem.
independent thinker
September 19th, 2012
8:53 am
How do we know that Romney was never one of the 47% that did not pay income taxes??????????
He carefully said he paid 13% in taxes. That could include property and sales taxes,
cc
September 19th, 2012
8:54 am
Answers?@8:46 am:
As you don’t know me, your “hypocrite” will be ignored due to your . . . well, ignorance. And, for what it’s worth, you happen to be wrong.
iggy
September 19th, 2012
8:54 am
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the Cayman Islands, and to the Banks for which it stands, one Group of Bankers under Moola, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all my wealthy friends”
The “law-givers” make the financial laws so your problem is with them and not the banks. Open your eyes, son.
JamVet
September 19th, 2012
8:55 am
…it is reality.
Sure it is. That is what you depraved Republicans said 60 years ago. And then after years of your perverted circus (look up House UnAmerican Committee) came up with………………….. nothing.
So you and the modernly depraved Alan West are going to do any better with your witch hunts THIS time?
HUGE LOL!
Talk about stuck on stupid…
td
September 19th, 2012
8:56 am
Ooops, It now appears that there was some missing segments of the tape and Mother Jones has admitted that the missing parts was during the critical time.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
8:56 am
Another one of Kyle’s “OMG Obama did what” posts gets debunked by a Republican insider:
Former GOP intel chair shoots down GOP myth
Republican former Intelligence Committee chair says it doesn’t matter if Obama reads his intelligence briefings
http://www.newsmax.com/video#ooid=txN2p2NToF88YKfRGOpCbgxDmFFKeK9J
JamVet
September 19th, 2012
8:58 am
Make that House Un-American Activities Committee, neocons.
Now THAT should warn the c0ckles of your ever paranoid hearts! Where moozlims, homos and commies are around every corner and behind every bush…
iggy
September 19th, 2012
8:58 am
The State of CO moves from “barely democrat” to virtual tie. Little by little The Grand Poobah is losing ground.
Stephenson Billings
September 19th, 2012
8:59 am
SELECTIVE EDIT? MOTHER JONES ADMITS ROMNEY TAPE MISSING ‘ONE TO TWO MINUTES’
“Mother Jones, the left-wing magazine that released a controversial video of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s remarks to a fundraiser in May, now admits that it has no full tape of what Romney said, and that its video is missing “one to two minutes” at the most important moment.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/09/19/Mother-Jones-Admits-Romney-Tape-Missing-One-or-Two-Minutes
Stephenson Billings
September 19th, 2012
9:00 am
Guess their deflection isn’t working very well:
Obama’s Foreign Policy Approval Rating Drops After Mideast Turmoil
“The NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Tuesday found the president’s foreign policy approval among registered voters at 49 percent, down from 54 percent one month earlier.
“The fall was steeper among independents, going from 53 percent in August to 41 percent,” NBC reported.”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-s-foreign-policy-approval-rating-drops-after-mideast-turmoil
cc
September 19th, 2012
9:00 am
Finn McCool@8:50 am:
You’re wrong again . . . as usual. I just do not suffer from your obvious affliction, wealth envy.
Stephenson Billings
September 19th, 2012
9:01 am
GALLUPUSATODAY SWING STATES: O 48% R 46%
RASMUSSEN SWING STATES: R 47% O 46%
iggy
September 19th, 2012
9:01 am
The base is crumbling…
http://newsone.com/2040034/black-christians-against-obama/
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
9:02 am
From Romney’s speech to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce later today:
“I expected the president, at his convention, to talk about the unemployed and to unveil a jobs plan. Astonishingly, he did not. I have a plan, and my plan for a stronger middle class will create 12 million jobs by the end of my first term,” Romney will say, according to excerpts released to reporters this morning.
Without a single detail of how he plans to get there…….
The yokels love this guy: He says he has a plan! That’s like my preacher saying there is a God! We don’t need plans and proof, we can believe it in our hearts!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
9:04 am
I just do not suffer from your obvious affliction, wealth envy
Oh? You don’t plan your life around making more money? You didn’t go to college to maximize your revenue stream as an adult? You don’t tell your kids they should go to college so they can get a good job one day and realize their capabilities?
“No, joey, college is about getting girls – don’t worry about the studying part. I like paying $30,000 a year so you can party!”
JamVet
September 19th, 2012
9:05 am
Keep those fingers and toes crossed, iggy!
But your severely conservative (LOL) candidate is a dead man walking nonetheless…
David R. Boag, DDS
September 19th, 2012
9:07 am
Finn,
The link leads to a clip of an interview with Fran Tarkenton.
?
JamVet
September 19th, 2012
9:08 am
…some missing segments of the tape…
Shades of Tricky Dick and Watergate?
And Rush and his “phony soldiers” story?
This could get interesting…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
9:11 am
Sorry, David, it’s the Hoakstra interview.
the red herring
September 19th, 2012
9:11 am
kyle –it’s one statement and certainly it is no worse than obama’s “i want redistribute the money you worked and invested for so that it goes to someone other than you”. how bad is that statement? it’s a long ways to election with debates between now and then. most of america is now aware that 47% don’t pay income taxes and the only people that think that’s fair are those 47%. It’s also well understood that at least half of those people don’t need to be paying–on the other hand there is that half that do need to be contributing. a growing economy with growing numbers of jobs will improve all of that which is why romney is still neck and neck with obama. for sure his ecomomic policies and his foreign policy would be better.
iggy
September 19th, 2012
9:14 am
Obama is beginning to flail about like some punchdrunk boxer. It just isnt looking good for the ole Prez. And Donna Brazille will soon go into full meltdown.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
9:14 am
The most amazing part of the last 3.5 years – a part of our history that will be studied for years after our death – is how Obama and the democrats completely wrested control of the National Security issues/debates and made it their strong suit.
That’s the master stroke that turns the former Republican strong point around.
Dang, and that dude is a community organizer?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
9:15 am
iggy, a little early to be hitting the hooch, isn’t it?
Or are those prescription pills you are on?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
9:17 am
Paul Ryan didn’t sound like Mr. Loyalty when commenting on Mitt Romney’s cruel comments about the 47 percent of Americans who pay no taxes Tuesday to a Reno television station. The Associated Press has the story:
Asked what he thought of Romney’s remarks, Ryan told the Nevada station: “He was obviously inarticulate in making this point.” Ryan went on to say the point the Republicans are making is that, under the Obama economy, government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up.
Ryan added if given the chance, “I think he would have said it differently, that’s for sure.” And according to Think Progress, in an interview with a New Hampshire station, Ryan answered a flat “no” when asked if he agreed with Romney’s remarks.
salon.com
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 19th, 2012
9:19 am
We should watch this every day to remind ourselves how out of touch this guy is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQu2SVFF-cU
AmericaFirstEveryone
September 19th, 2012
9:20 am
I think everyone is missing Governor Romney’s comment whole point! He was talking about something that has been bothering me for a while now. And that is that there are certain voters who may care so much about ONE thing so much that they don’t care about the many other very important issues facing our country. I urge everyone to watch that whole video carefully and even read the transcript as I have. Every household is in debt a half million dollars for all the promises our country has made about what the goverment will do during their lifetimes! We need to get our country back on the right track ASAP. Right now we are heading straight towards bankruptcy and everyone should vote for getting out of this terrible debt we’re in. I think we are extremely lucky to have an excellent business genious willing to take on this mess and I can’t wait to cast my vote for Govenor Romney. Please everyone…get all the facts from both sides of the media and study this. Our country is in trouble and your decision is critically important.
iggy
September 19th, 2012
9:20 am
Im just posting the facts. Not sure what you are smoking…
GIGO
September 19th, 2012
9:27 am
Enough with the poor seniors crap!
American Seniors: Poor No More
Through good times and bad, booms and busts, Republicans and Democrats, the percentage of seniors in poverty has gone down. Counting from 1966, when more than a quarter of all seniors were “in poverty” to 2011 (less than one in ten), that’s a drop of about 70 percent.
WOW
September 19th, 2012
9:29 am
@ AmericaFirst Everyone:
Seems like you are doing just what you says bothers you by saying that everyone should vote for Romney based on the national debt? Shouldn’t everyone have the right to vote based on issues that they feel are most important. Just a thought….
Paul
September 19th, 2012
9:32 am
If Romney truly believe what he is saying about reducing dependency upon government then he should be willing to go the full distance and eliminate subsidies to energy companies, subsidies to large agricultural interests, tax breaks for fund managers, and the many other ways that people of all economic levels benefit directly or indirectly from the government. I would suggest that everyone read the recent article in Time magazine that illustrates how many things that we take for granted are the result of government subsides, tax breaks, or other forms of incentives. Mitt cant attack just those who dont pay federal income tax without looking at the full equation.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
September 19th, 2012
9:37 am
I am tired of Liberal’s crying about tax breaks. Tax breaks are Liberal’s favorite tools for social engineering. Liberal’s whine and complain the tax code isn’t fair and when someone suggests a flat tax they cry about that to.
Liberals = Crying
MarkV
September 19th, 2012
9:54 am
The most interesting questions about Romney’s comments regarding the 47% are whether he already predicts his defeat, lives in an illusion, or he is just bad in math.
If Romney concedes that 47% of the electorate, those who do not pay income taxes, will not vote for him, then he must believe that among the 53% that pay income taxes, there are no firm Obama supporters – only some independents. Is he really so delusional, bad in math, or just sees the handwriting on the wall?
David R. Boag, DDS
September 19th, 2012
10:09 am
AmericaFirstEveryone,
I really don’t like it when people say that we are headed for bankruptcy as a nation. It is WORSE than that! Bankruptcy is FORGIVENESS of debt that the founding fathers put into our laws to allow mistakes to be forgiven by the government every so often. But who says there is going to be forgiveness of our debt by China? Not me! They aren’t just going to roll over on our TRILLIONS of dollars. If we can’t pay em, they will be coming after us! Are we really going to wait until that is inevitable before realizing our mistakes?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
10:10 am
Through good times and bad, booms and busts, Republicans and Democrats, the percentage of seniors in poverty has gone down.
Almost exclusively due to Social Security and Medicare.
Before the mid 60’s most elderly folks lived with their adult children. With SS they could live on their own.
Guess what that means? Instead of selling 1 house to an extended family, you sell two houses. Instead of needing 1 TV, you now need 2 tv’s. Instead of 1 family car, you now might need 2.
See how a government program leads to increased consumption, demand and economic value?
Didn’t think so.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
10:12 am
We can’t go bankrupt. Turn off the Fox News and quit looking like idgits. The Debt burden is what we owe – to each other. In order to have debt you have to have two sides – one the debtor and one the debtee.
Progressive Humanist
September 19th, 2012
10:22 am
Who are the people who pay no taxes? Where do they live? What political party do they associate with? This map will help answer those questions (scroll down to the middle): http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Progressive Humanist
September 19th, 2012
10:23 am
It’s hilarious that so many Republicans are coming out of the woodwork to agree with Romney on his 47% comments when a large portion of those 47% are actually Republicans. The single largest group in that 47% who don’t pay taxes are senior citizens on social security, who of course tend to vote Republican. And many of the conservatives commenting here probably make $50k or less which means that after deductions for children, mortgage, etc. they also pay no federal income tax. So you’re the deadbeats Romney was talking about.
And to further the irony, most of the people who pay no taxes do so because of Republican policies, which lowered taxes and expanded deductions for school loans, families, homes, investments, etc.
Those Republicans who are griping here don’t even realize they’re griping about themselves and doing so over policies Republicans put into place to begin with. It’s wonderful amusement.
Fred ™
September 19th, 2012
10:26 am
But who says there is going to be forgiveness of our debt by China?
We have a loan with China? Really? Who signed the note lol?
If we can’t pay em, they will be coming after us!
Really? I know Neal and Rush scare you every single day but again REALLY? What are they coming after us with? Are they going to cut their cheap imports made by slave labor? They’ll be bankrupt in a week. What will they do? Man up, don’t be scared. It will be ok.
Del
September 19th, 2012
10:32 am
Paul@9:32…I agree
Progressive Humanist
September 19th, 2012
10:34 am
Why don’t all the mooching Republicans that Romney was talking about who don’t pay any taxes (senior citizens, those making $50k a year or less) get off their butts and start taking responsibility for themselves? Why do they feel the government should take care of them? Why do they think they should be entitled to food and healthcare?
David R. Boag, DDS
September 19th, 2012
10:41 am
Finn @ 10:12,
You said that like the money is Monopoly money, like it either isn’t real or like we’re just winking at each other as we take billions and trillions from one another like it doesn’t matter. Like we can just keep doing this. Quadrillions here we come! No consequences to our actions.
Um, name a time in history when the piper didnt eventually get paid?
I’m supposed to believe you rather than centuries and of history that say otherwise?
Who do you think you are?
David R. Boag, DDS
September 19th, 2012
10:50 am
Fred,
Coronation. Just thought I’d throw that one word in there. It seems to help make you go away. Worked last time anyway.
And I’m sure when we answer China that we don’t actually owe them anything because we don’t have a signature, they’ll just accept that willingly. Blow it off! It’s only trillions of dollars. La-dee-da!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
10:53 am
Excellent link, Progressive Humanist.;
the Cons just don’t want to admit they ARE what they profess to hate.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
10:55 am
What are they coming after us with?
They’ll stop building our iPhones!
Fred ™
September 19th, 2012
10:55 am
Sorry China. I know we owe you money but we were really stupid with our money. You see we spent 50 billion on a few aircraft carriers and and each aircraft carrier has about 90 F-18 aircraft at 29-57 million each, depending on the model. You won’t BELIEVE what we spent on missiles for those puppies.
Well we can certainly repay that debt on missile at a time. Just let us know where you want them…………
I know. Stick to teeth. Some poor schmuck is sitting there wasting his her time because you are here blogging about being scared…………..
You lack the basic understanding of economics. We OWN China’s economy. If we close our markets and grainery, they go bankrupt and hungry. It’s really that simple.
Remember Japan when THEY “held all our debt?” How did that work out for them?
MarkV
September 19th, 2012
10:58 am
David R. Boag, DDS @ 10:41 am
“Um, name a time in history when the piper didnt eventually get paid? I’m supposed to believe you rather than centuries and of history that say otherwise?”
For the past more than 70 years, there has been no period of time when the US would be without a sizable national debt. The piper must be awfully patient.
Fred ™
September 19th, 2012
11:03 am
For the past more than 70 years, there has been no period of time when the US would be without a sizable national debt. The piper must be awfully patient.
Shhhhhhhhhh you are ruining a perfect fearmongering moment brought to you by talk radio. And here is their greatest fear………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc80tFJpTuo
Just Saying..
September 19th, 2012
11:11 am
“You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize this is going to remain an unsolved problem,” adding, “And we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately somehow, something will happen to resolve it.”
I think you posters are right: The US does need leadership…
Bruno
September 19th, 2012
11:46 am
All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what …
I see the Libs have been having a field day tearing apart Romney’s remarks. Since I’m not part of the 47%, I’m hoping that one of them can make a case for me to vote for Obama and his Free Stuff Presidency. Hint: I didn’t receive any bailout or stimulus money, no Cash For My Clunker, no Mortgage Modification, no welfare or food stamps, and I’m not in a union so I’m not exempted from Obamacare.
They BOTH suck
September 19th, 2012
12:01 pm
Bruno
I know it isn’t the gist of your post, but there are numerous companies that are non union that are exempt from having to meet the start dates for Obamacare nor all big donors to Obama.
Thulsa Doom
September 19th, 2012
12:09 pm
Where Romney went wrong was in largely telling the truth. People don’t want to hear the truth. He was wrong on a couple of counts but overall he was right. When nearly 1 in 2 of us is being subsidized by the other you then have a system that is unsustainable. And breaking people of the culture of dependency is a hard, hard thing to do.
Fred ™
September 19th, 2012
12:20 pm
Hey Bruno!!!!!!!!!!! How’s tricks?
As to the 47%? Don’t forget that combat soldiers don’t pay taxes/ Are they moochers looking for a friggin handout? Disabled vets don’t pay taxes, are THEY frigging moochers looking for a handout? Itwas a really assinine and elitist thing for Romney to say and shows his disdain for all poor folks, which would be everyone who’s daddy DIDN’T tell them”Here’s 10 million son, don’t lose it all at once.” He and Paris Hitlon are birds of a feather.
Fred ™
September 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
They BOTH suck
September 19th, 2012
12:01 pm
Bruno
I know it isn’t the gist of your post, but there are numerous companies that are non union that are exempt from having to meet the start dates for Obamacare nor all big donors to Obama.
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My buddies company isn’t and he can’t get an exemption. He doesn’t HAVE 2 million “surplus” a year. It’s going to break him AND his company.
They BOTH suck
September 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
Fred
I’m not sure how they decided if a company gets a “waiver” (It isn’t an exemption) but as you know they are not all union or even huge Obama supporters.
I couldn’t tell you I agree or disagree with the criteria, because I have no idea what it is. I am sure there are “favors”, don’t get me wrong.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
12:25 pm
Hint: I didn’t receive any bailout or stimulus money
This is why the Cons are clueless. If you paid income taxes during Obama’s Presidency then you received some of the stimulus as a tax break.
Keep watching that Fox News cons – you are really impressing us with all this knowledge you drop.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
September 19th, 2012
12:34 pm
From “Useless Views and World Distort”
Is Obama Stimulus Plan Also the Biggest Tax Cut Ever?
February 12, 2009
Are the tax cuts in the stimulus bill the largest is U.S. history? Yes, sort of.
Steven Waldman, a former U.S. News editor (well before I wandered these halls), makes an interesting case that thecoming tax cut will indeed be the biggest ever. The compromise stimulus plan includes $282 billion in tax cuts over two years. According to the Wall Street Journal, Bush’s first two years of tax cuts amounted to $174 billion. A second batch in 2004 and 2005 cost $231. And those were thought to be bigger than the tax cuts offered by Reagan, Kennedy, or others.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/02/12/is-obama-stimulus-plan-also-the-biggest-tax-cut-ever
God Don't Like Ugly
September 19th, 2012
2:03 pm
Today I watched Mitt Romney’s Mother Talking About Her Husband
Being On Welfare.
God will ALWAYS EXPOSE hypocrites.
God Don't Like Ugly
September 19th, 2012
2:06 pm
@Thulsa Doom
September 19th, 2012
12:09 pm
Where Romney went wrong was in largely telling the truth. People don’t want to hear the truth. He was wrong on a couple of counts but overall he was right. When nearly 1 in 2 of us is being subsidized by the other you then have a system that is unsustainable. And breaking people of the culture of dependency is a hard, hard thing to do.================================
On YouTube Mitt Romney’s Mother Talking About Her Husband
Being On Welfare.
Cons are HYPOCRITES.
ROMNEY’S FATHER WAS A 47% MOOCHER.
David R. Boag, DDS
September 19th, 2012
2:17 pm
Fred,
I’m not saying that China doing that will be the next thing that happens. But eventually, it DOES go there.
And listen to yourself, threatening war (perhaps nuclear…why not, right?) because WE tell THEM that WE aren’t going to pay THEM back, as if WE aren’t in the wrong. I’m sorry my friend, but if you think the rest of the world will just sit idly by and do nothing by that point, you will be sorely mistaken.
This is because the first thing they will do is withhold any more funds for buying our bonds. Now, we are in NO position with our current administration to handle that, so when we need to raise the debt ceiling because otherwise we will starve ourselves, we will do petty much the only thing we can…print more money. Oh, lookee here, we’re already doing that, and just calling it something else. And China hasn’t even pulled the plug yet! Outstanding!
Then as our dollar dies the death of a thousand other dollars and now we start to screw all the other countries too with our worthless currency, I’m SURE that when they also object and we threaten to nuke ALL of them too, they wouldn’t DREAM of forming any kind of coalition of nations to stand against that. I mean–gasp–that sounds almost like the United Nations! If we take other countries’ money and say we won’t return it, I’m sure they too will sit idly by. That’s just what the world did with Hitler too. Oh, wait…what? We didn’t? Oh, that’s right!
Not to mention by the time that happens (long before it, actually) we’re already screwed here, because our money is worth half of what it was (if that), so U-3 unemployment is at 20% or higher. But we’ll still have the nuclear threat and geniuses like Fred who think that will still work against EVEYBODY ELSE!
Brilliant plan, Fred. You missed your calling to be part of the Obama administration!
I’m just glad we’ve got smart guys like you around to make the rest of us look ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!
Fred ™
September 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
I’m sure Boag you are a genius and get no dissent with your hands in a patients mouth as you pontificate, but your knowledge of politics and world economy is dismal. Maybe when you grow up you will understand. Meanwhile, I hear nothing from you I don’t hear from Boortz etal. How does it feel to be a sock puppet? Doesn’t that hand up your ass get uncomfortable? I would think it would……….
One day when you find out that the US is the largest consumer of the world wide market and that any collapse we have is effects the whole world in a BIG way you will begin to understand……….
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