Poll Position: How should Obama respond to embassy attacks?

“The only thing I hate worse than fools is liars.”

Wow. Then you must really hate yourself, Fred.

No wonder everything you post is filled with such vitriol.

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And Fred, as far as pigeonholing goes, hard to do that when I don’t know where you are coming from. I haven’t been on this blog long enough to remember everyone’s typical positions. I will say getalife is a definite exception to that. It’s very clear where he/she comes from.

The only things I knew from your post we’re these: 1. You disagreed with part of my argument, and it was unclear as to what part, since you invoked an analogy which supported my post instead of not supporting it. 2. You tried to use an analogy about which I’m well-educated on being able to understand. I have no idea how much of your life you have given to studying and learning about orthodontics, but by your use of the very enlightened term “crooked ass teeth,” I think it’s safe to say that orthodontics may not be your forte. 3. You have little knowledge on how to go about moving teeth orthodontically or the concepts which drive those processes, otherwise, if you had any debate sense whatsoever, you would have been smart enough not to try to use that as an illustration in support of your position. You may be a smart guy, but this clearly could not have been your most intelligent debate tactic.

In summary, you made an unclear, poorly constructed attempt at communicating your disagreement with my post which didn’t even make clear what the disagreement was.

So like I said, if you’d like to step it back and choose a different way to voice your disagreement with my original post, it would be welcome and would do your argument a wealth of good as well. Or you can continue your vitriol, but that won’t help your case in the eyes of those who might actually be swayed by the debate. Like I said before, if all you’re trying to do is upset me, I’ll go ahead and let you try while I continue to let those who are seeking truth judge our arguments by both their merits and how we conduct ourselves on here.

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This reminds me of a meme I saw once. It said arguing on the internet was like running the Special Olympics….

I’ll let you guys figure out the punch line.

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September 15th, 2012
10:25 pm

Fred:

Please try to remember that I don’t like you. There’s no reason for you and I to exchange pleasantries.
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i never knew that 2 boobs. Thank you for telling me. Since I NEVER did anything to you I wonder why that is. We exchanged pleasantries in the past. But then I must say I’m not heart broken lol. You showed last post you aren’t very bright.

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Fred

Appears if you do not walk in lockstep and tout the talking points, you are not part of the club.

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Fred:

I know you’re quoting the comments to which you’re responding. It’s simply not necessary.

Obviously you take great pleasure in the “simpler” things.

It’s just that once I’ve read a comment, it’s not likely I’m gonna read it again just for YOUR pleasure.

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Like I said before, if all you’re trying to do is upset me, I’ll go ahead and let you try while I continue to let those who are seeking truth judge our arguments by both their merits and how we conduct ourselves on here.

Show me any regulars on this blog (with the exception of Hillbilly Deluxe and myself) who judge ANY position on any other factor than the devotion to their own preconceived hard left/right wing policies.

I would include you. You are more concerned debating the meaning of the word “is” than you are conceding the obvious point of my original post. The point was that in the short time that the President HAS been President, it was way to soon to jump to the conclusions that you made in your post. I used the tooth thing because you are a dentist and I thought it would be easy for someone with a willingness towards discussion to SEE that point. I still maintain that. I think despite your now passive aggressive attempts at “listening” you have no desire at all to exchange ideas.

In short I was mistaken to address you at all. You won’t see me trying to “talk sense” to Getalife either lol. There is no point. He like you, and like 98% of the folks on this blog made up their minds about everything in the world 30 years ago and then slapped 40 coats of varnish on it so you would never change them. It’s a sad way to go through life in my opinion.

You WILL notice (whether or not you admit it) that NO ONE here, has addressed a single point I made to you. They merely attack while ‘pretending” they don’t. Well at least 2 boobs has finally come out of the closet and started attacking me. We USED to exchange pleasantries and and disagree about issues without being ugly. Apparently she was ugly all along and I was just to stupid to see it lol. Oh well.

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Fred,

You said:

Ok, so in the two weeks since you’ve put those braces on little Johnny Joe’s teeth his mom has been using a pair of pliers to adjust them herself. You see, as soon as you said Johnny Joe needed braces SHE said he didn’t and she would do all in her power to assure that those braces didn’t last two weeks.

A. No one needs braces. I would never say that. Unless, of course, I had already learned that the patient (or their parent) had a desire to have straight teeth. (Not everyone does, BTW, as your own teeth testify.) No one that I know of has ever died from not having orthodontic tooth movement. I don’t start a case until the first payment is made and informed consent has been obtained, so if mom doesn’t want straight teeth, there is no case to begin with. So this is a REALLY bad analogy. In fact, doing orthodontic treatment on a child without first obtaining informed consent front the parent or legal guardian is technically assault. So, that being the case, your analogy actually suggests that Dr. Obama ’s foreign policy is an assault on the United States. Is that what you are trying to say?

B. So wait, was your issue that there wasn’t enough time to finish? Well, since the average orthodontic case lasts roughly 2 years, I suppose since a presidential term takes four, for a proper analogy, since Obama is three quarters of his way through his term, the analogous time allotment for orthodontic treatment would be about 18 months or so, instead of 2 weeks, right? So if you had had braces on a case for 18 months, and hadn’t seen any progress (or worse, if you saw the teeth getting MORE crooked), wouldn’t you think that you might want to rethink what you are doing and either bail and let someone else who knows better handle the case or else AT MINIMUM debracket and start over? Wouldn’t you agree that aniy doctor who has his head on straight would have wanted to see positive results long before 18 months into the case?

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Iowa St Fair

September 15th, 2012
10:36 pm

Fred

Appears if you do not walk in lockstep and tout the talking points, you are not part of the club.
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That works for both left and right although the lefties are more likely to be tolerant. There are a TON of folks over to Jay’s blog who are called RINO’s all the time by the few from here who aren’t too cowardly to go over there.

Remember, all those here (except Dr. Dentist) used to be over at Jay’s. They couldn’t stand being disputed or told to show facts. They couldn’t pass a burden of proof. So they left and came over here where there IS no burden of proof. Just the same bumper sticker rhetoric that I hear on talk radio. Unlike the folks here though, I admit I listen to talk radio lol.

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Wow . . just read some blogs and there are some really sick people on here . . I’m outta here!!

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Fred

Based on what I have ascertained in reading the posts of some of these blogs, I assume some go too far with attacks and name calling that they get banned from one blog then jump to the other.

Thanks for the information.

Good night.

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The 400-strong assault force in Benghazi showed up with RPGs and mortars: that’s not a spontaneous movie protest; that’s an act of war, and better planned and executed than the dying superpower’s response to it. Clinton and Dempsey are, to put it mildly, misleading the American people when they suggest otherwise. – Steyn

Misleading the American people is the only thing the dummycrats are good at.

The ONLY thing.

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White flag accepted. Be well.

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David R. Boag, DDS

September 15th, 2012
11:01 pm

White flag accepted. Be well.
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I predicted my first post that you would say that. Mission accomplished just like President Bush. It’s the Republican way. I almost wish I had the few minutes of my life back that I wasted on you, but it was worth it to find out your true colors. Sing Onward Christian Soldiers well tomorrow at First Baptist Peachtree City. Jesus is proud of you.

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Oh and Iowa State Fair. Check out Bookman’s blog. There are more folks with brains and more true discussions over there.

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P.S. Fred, maybe if you tried making your point without trying in vain to use orthodontics as your illustration, you’d be better at actually making a point or voicing a criticism. You don’t seem unintelligent to me, just poorly learned in a field you seem desperate to bring into this debate, despite numerous attempts by me telling you as you say “obtusely” (although I think I’ve been pretty clear about it since you did it) that it is an analogy that simply does NOT forward whatever it is you are trying to say, but rather fits my argument better.

If you want to make a pint, then make it, and stop trying to act like you know how orthodontics works. You clearly don’t, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have a good point to make. Youre just making it POORLY.

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I’ll help get you started:

Ok, bad analogy. Here’s what I was trying to say…

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First, Obama should stop screwing the middle class by printing 40 billion dollars a month and giving it to the bankers (which just started this week). Then he should bring our people home and fire up the tomahawk missles.

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wooooo

September 16th, 2012
12:56 am
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QE is going to help the middle class, not hurt it. It will increase the cost of imports, and decrease the cost of American made goods. Result will be fewer imports, more American manufacturing jobs. More money for the middle class to buy more American made products. Creating more American jobs.
Also, we will be repaying out foreign debts at a weaker dollar, same as getting a discounted payment.

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Are groceries cheaper? Is gas cheaper? Is tuition cheaper? Are clothes cheaper? Is anything cheaper now? Then please explain to me how devaluing our money by simply printing more will help anyone but the banks?
QE3 is a PAYCUT for every middle class person in America.
Don’t put A-1 on a pile of sh*t and tell me its prime rib.

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Depending on Libyans as security guards was an obvious and extremely stupid mistake. Not preparing for unrest on the 9/11 anniversary was another. Not heeding warnings from Libyan leadership about possible violence was yet another.

Obozo overestimated the pacifying effect of his Nobel prize, his 2009 apology tour, and his middle name. He’s never been up to the job. His chickens are coming home to roost.

Want competence? Vote American.

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Piedmont South from North Georgia@1:12 am:
Do you know of a single case in any country where quantitative easing has been successful and produced no long-term negative effects?

Piedmont South from North Georgia@1:18 am:
The Republicans do NOT want America to fail, but they do understand that Hussein’s policies are not good for America and they wish those plans and policies no success. Of course, they do not want him re-elected! You are very loose with the word ‘traitor’. Do you understand the definition?

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Piedmont,

FINALLY, someone who can at least speak clearly without mudslinging. Thank you.

I started Orthodontic treatment at age 24 and it lasted longer than two years. Very happy with the results.

The older you start, the longer it tends to take. The bone isn’t as malleable. Glad to hear you are happy. I think most people who do it end up happy. Not all, but most.

The point is we were in such a mess that we are doing well to be as far recovered as we are now. Don’t think, – as Bill Clinton said – that anyone could have done any better.
And the GOP was doing their best to make Obama – and therefore America – fail. They stated their number one priority was to make Obama fail and not get re-elected. They number one priority was not to recover from the recession, or to protect national security, or to furnish jobs, but to make the president fail.
I call that treason.

It is difficult (but I will try) to take that statement very seriously, when THE most basic, fundamental step in keeping the fiscal house in some kind of order is to actually have a budget. Now I realize that there were a LOT of differences and drastic differences in what the two sides Wanted the budget to look like. But the process of negotiating a budget begins with the house. Then, the senate is supposed to make their changes (assuming they are ideologically opposed to the House, which is currently the case) and the negotiations continue until we get a budget. It was not the Republican-controlled house that failed to continue the dialogue. It was the Democratically-controlled senate. Mr. Reid and company are the ones who have failed to do THE most basic fiscally necessary task. Of course, Mr. Obama made a couple of pretty feeble attempts that we so symbolic-only that not even one congressperson would vote for it, even one from his ideological side.

Mr. Clinton, despite my differences with his stance on many issues, EVEN WITH BOTH HOUSES CONTROLLED BY THE OPPOSING PARTY was still able to get budgets passed. I think that Mr. Clinton wasn’t being truthful. He was politicking when he made that statement.

There may be some truth to what you are saying as far as resistance goes. Fair enough. But to also be fair, the liberals in the legislature have been the ones who have repeatedly just picked up their toys and gone home when it comes to fisca responsibility, and there has been little to no leadership from Mr. Obama to say–just get it done. Reagan was able to do it. Bush I was able to get it done, even at the cost of a second term. Clinton was able to do it. As hated as he was–and you know there was at least as much toward him as there is towards Mr. Obama–GWB got it done with the legislative houses switching positions. Still got it done.

Your statement that it couldn’t have been done better ignores history. It ignores the fact that when these disagreements occurred, that the president would work with both parties to find a way to get even something as fiscally basic as a budget done. And as anyone who has run a business well knows, financial stability STARTS with having a plan on paper. There is none, and our spiraling debt and lower standard of living i.e. lower wages and higher costs for many of the commodities is a predictable result when there is no plan in place.

Can you at least be honest and give our leader (or at least the Democratically controlled senate) a healthy portion of the blame for our continued decline?

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Obama should have backed up the Iranian protesters in 2009. The “Arab Spring” movement started in Iran, and Obama did nothing to help keep the movement going. Once the ruthless Iranian government saw Obama would do nothing to help the protesters they crushed them. This began a pattern of silence that escalated to Egypt, Libya, and beyond.
How should Obama respond now? He should admit he failed when it counted in 2009 and resign and let others begin a new approach. The boy king has a failed foreign policy, just like he has failed with the economy.

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[Ambassador] Stevens arrived in Benghazi at an early phase of US involvement in the rebellion against Gaddafi…it was clear that the rebels with whom he worked included jihadist fighters associated with al-Qaida. Their significance became obvious when just after the regime fell in November 2011, rebel forces foisted the flag of al-Qaida over the courthouse in Benghazi.

Did Stevens understand what this meant? His boss, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, certainly didn’t. Following Tuesday’s attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Clinton said, “Today, many Americans are asking – indeed, I asked myself – how could this happen? How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction? This question reflects just how complicated and, at times, how confounding the world can be.”

Clinton, the bewildered stewardess of US foreign policy, then proclaimed with utter certainty that there is nothing to be concerned about.

Of course, what she failed to mention was that after the rebels felled Gaddafi’s regime – with US support – they began imposing Islamic law over large swathes of the country.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/09/15/the_reign_of_imagination_115453.html

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