When it comes to intelligence briefings, Obama isn’t even voting ‘present’

In obamas case I guess ignorance is bliss.

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In terms of foreign policy, Obama is an indecisive failure.

Just ask Osama Bin Laden.

Oh that’s right, you ODS cons can’t!

He’s sleeping with the fishes.

LOL!!!

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George W. Bush almost never missed his daily intelligence meeting.

This just makes my post above that much more of a head scratcher. I suppose when you’ve been caught flat footed and asleep on your post, you make a constant show that you are on top of it..

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Oh, just click on Kyle’s last two links there. He wants the POTUS to stop campaigning. “Go chill on the beach for 50 days, you won’t lose Mr President”

Cons are praying their voter suppression works this time and it just might.

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Boy, those right wing media outlets are creating geniuses.

According to a PPP poll of likely Ohio voters, 15 percent of Republicans in Ohio think Romney is “more responsible” for bin Laden’s death than Obama, while 47 percent of Republicans are “not sure” whether Obama or Romney deserves more of the credit.

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/10/15_percent_of_ohio_gopers_credit_romney_with_bin_ladens_death/

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Jan 2001 – Sept 2004: 1 (or you could call it 3)

Finn: It was Clinton’s fault. Anything that happens within the first 3.5 years of a new President’s term, is the fault of the preceding administration.

Here is what Bush should have said if he was a whiner and blamer.

“Well, folks I inherited this mess. Clinton’s policies led to this. He was offered Osama, but did not accept. He had numerous opportunities to take him out, but failed. We are not going back to those failed policies, but have patience we will get through this. It is not my fault, I inherited this mess. Nine months is not enough time to correct 8 years of failed policies that I inherited.”

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Kyle, did you ID the vulgar name jacker of @@ this weekend? I believe the first post was about 4:14 on Saturday. Repeat offender, probably.

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Kyle,
Would you enlighten us about the practical difference between being at the intelligence briefing and receiving the information from the briefing? And if you, perhaps, want to argue that at the briefing the President can ask questions, do you think that something bars the President from asking questions after he reads the information? Also, is there something that prevents the President to receive preliminary information about how important the briefing will be?

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Most presidents seem to lean toward involvement with either foreign policy or domestic policy, while giving the other short shrift. They concentrate on one at the expense of the other.

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Hillbilly D

I agree with you on above. Bush too attuned to foreign policy and Clinton to domestic. The one we have now seems to lean toward what he feels like doing, if he feels like it, and they both get short shrift.

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Welcome back Kyle, this is the first you have posted since writing that you gave a very slight edge towards Romney and the GOP convention in furthering the cause of its respective party. Now that data is coming in soundly on the other side, care to reassess?

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FINN,

Can you explain what exactly voter suppression is…ie who is being kept from voting and who those folks will likely support?

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CENTRIST,

From what I’ve been reading, President Trillions one and only influence on every issue is his rabbi, Valerie Jennett…otherwise he likes to be alone with his thoughts…seems his stellar resume wasn’t condusive to leadership development..

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Wasn’t it W who required all his national security reports to be condensed to no more than 2 paragraphs? I think it was something about a problem with attention span. Glad we have a President who can actually digest and consider large amounts of info. All of us who have worked in large organizations, private or public, know that most important data comes in the written form. Plus, many many studies have shown that the human brain can process much more visual input as compared to audio. Just ask any trial lawyer and others who use visual aids such as Power Point.

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It’s not the Presidents job to sit there while they ask each other questions. His job is to make decisions.

If he sits there and listens to the back and forth, whether he asks any questions of his own or not, he’s heard more of the arguments from all sides and should be able to make a more informed decision, whatever that decision might be.

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So Bush rarely missed a PDB, but still failed to sufficiently act when one was titled, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US”.

Based upon this I am going to go out on a limb and say, attendance in these meetings is over-rated.

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Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
September 10th, 2012
1:25 pm

Auntie Christ

“Instead of blaming the messenger, ”
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Your naIvete is astonishing. Those you would consider “messengers,” wingfield, drudge, pox pundits, tucker carlson and 90% of the right wing are not messengers, they are incessant whiners, slanderers, distorters, and mostly outright liars, who make it their raison d’etre to criticize everything Obama does or says. A “messenger” brings news and reports, not lies, innuendo, hit pieces and triviality like the aforementioned.

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What great information to put out. Will you guys be keeping track of how many times the Pres goes to the can. You know that would be some important earth shattering news to write about.

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0bama really gives a hoot about national security…yet another reason to vote against him (like we needed another reason).

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I’m concerned that Wingnut used obozo and intelligence together in the same sentence. Do you go on a bender this weekend, Kyle?

Or is this a tongue in cheek kinda deal?

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Thiessen cites former security officials who say the meetings are an important way for Obama and his security advisers to ask questions of one another.

Obama’s never been interested in feedback. Why bother himself with intelligence other than his own?

schnirt

During his campaign in 2008, he bragged about being tech-savvy. He also declared himself an accomplished delegator. Preparing us for his tendency to avoid, I ’spose.

The other day, I was reading an article about his recent return from somewhere. Under the heading was a picture with the caption “Obama walks and waves….”

My initial thought was “WOW, so the guy CAN do two things at once?”

NOT!

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The womenfolk in the White House had to drag obozo, kicking and screaming, into killing bin Laden, I would hardly call this a bold decision on our basketball players part.

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The post convention bounce really has you guys grasping for things to criticize the President for…

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You have to be intelligent to be invited to an intelligence meeting.

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Kyle, they don’t like it when you point out instances where our “leader” isn’t leading and call pointing it out “silly.” I guess having back-and-forth discussions and listening to others’ points of view in important meetings just isn’t necessary to this president or his backers. Not terribly surprising though.

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Kyle

You’re grasping for straws on this….no friggin way you can spin this into a Romney positive after all these terrorists have gone down. All Romney has to do to win is what Joe Scarborough says…be a real conservative and present real concrete conservative ideas

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He was probably attending a Jobs Council meeting

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Thanks, Aquagirl @2:58.

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To everyone who thinks this is a lousy article: Why did the White House go out of its way to get a puff piece on how engaged Obama is at these meetings — you don’t think that WaPo columnist just wandered into the briefing room while on a tour, do you? — when he’s skipping well over half of them? That’s the main point here: An image-conscious White House that produces an image completely at odds with reality.

I would say they are trying to get ahead of any potential campaign issue likely to be the fodder of conservative columnists rapidly trying to change the subject from a failed convention where the electorate is rapidly moving away from them.

I like the fact that a Presidential team sees a threat like this and tries to get ahead of it……as opposed to a President that reads “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US” and instead decides to cut back the Texas brush so he can see him coming.

My question is do you honestly think that his reduced attendance is increasing the risk to the United States?

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Good topic choice, to deflect from which parts of Obamacare are your favorites for Romney to keep…

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I am supporting Romney based on Hope and Change from record deficits, added debt, crony capitalism, nationalized healthcare, and class warfare. But that is not to say it will actually get better under Romney – maybe just a different set of problems and cronies being rewarded.

The good news if Obama is re-elected – the Republican Congress will quickly make him a lame duck and will not pass greater spending, nationalize anything else, increase taxes, and might even tackle the outrageous spending/ debt problem which a lame duck might even go along. It doesn’t matter to me which cronies are rewarded by a kleptocracy.

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My question is do you honestly think that his reduced attendance is increasing the risk to the United States?

They can and will try to say it, but there is no actuall proof of it, which is why silly articles like lack of attendance at a meeting are used.

@ Aquagirl 3:22
Well said!

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can should be call in the first sentence

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The truth is that President Bush did not “keep us safe”. September 11 happened on his watch after a PDB asserted that an attack was likely. You cannot start the “safe” clock after a disaster.

I know one thing:Mitt Romney doesn’t think giving our troops a mention is important.

Thankfully, President Obama will continue on to another term and will continue to take out terrorists. The previous administration was great at torturing, this administration is great at tormenting the terrorists. They are scared now and on the run. They no longer have a sense of invulnerability. President Obama has done such a great job on this issue that it no longer is among the top concerns of voters.

Mitt Romney is going to lose. Joe Scarbrough this morning said what our squad has been saying now for over a year:”in presidential races, you can’t beat something with nothing”! If Republicans do not change their ways and stop pandering to the types that come here and write hateful dismissive comments, they will find they are not going to win the presidency for a good long time.

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Kyle Wingfield
September 10th, 2012
3:03 pm

To everyone who thinks this is a lousy article: Why did the White House go out of its way to get a puff piece on how engaged Obama is at these meetings — you don’t think that WaPo columnist just wandered into the briefing room while on a tour, do you? — when he’s skipping well over half of them? That’s the main point here: An image-conscious White House that produces an image completely at odds with reality.
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looks like “everyone who thinks this is a lousy article” have touched a nerve, kyle feels the need to defend himself. A legitimate criticism of the Prez would need no defense, but apparently he feels this piece of triviality requires a defense. The defense tho, is as trivial and petty as the original piece.

kyle says: “Why did the White House go out of its way to get a puff piece on how engaged Obama is at these meetings” This implies that respected journalists can be pressured by those in power to write fluff pieces touting a politico’s strength. But this then implies a respected “journalist” like kyle can be pressured to write a hit piece also. Is kyle saying the profession of journalism has lost it’s integrity, or is he just speaking from his own experience? Inquiring minds want to know.

kyle seems to put a lot of stock in bob woodward, which reinforces the point I make above. While he is one of the heroes of Watergate, woodward has become nothing more than a repub mouthpiece, with his fluff book on bush, the wartime President, in control and running a tight ship, when in fact the whole gang of them were being duped by “curve ball” and Chalabi with their fairy tales of being greeted as liberators, and the yellow cake uranium hoax. Because wingfield and woodward are little more than cheerleaders for the right, they imply that a respected journalist like Walter Pincus is likewise, simply because he writes a positive poiece on Obama.

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Kyle,

I know how you like to keep people on topic, but there was a guy that went off topic posting some rant against the Chevy Volt at 3:03 you might want to investigate. Tell him to fess up that he completely misread the national conventions and is currently engaged in diversionary tactics.

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Ill bet if Obama was handed a briefing titled.

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US

He would have taken it seriously.

Obama followed the worst President in History who took more vacations than any President in history and this is all you can come up with.

This is why you are losing.

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Aquagirl:

Protestations are emanating from the countries where airstrikes are taking place. The same happened under GWB with one difference.

When GWB was running things, the left claimed the airstrikes were fomenting hatred against the U.S..

They went so far as to claim we were CREATING terrorists.

I remember it well.

Now…under Obama?

They’re all in with silent approval.

schnirt

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The only reason these leftwing-hacks think the article was lousy is because it reveals their phony outrage over Bush missing a meeting, Kyle. So let them dance in circles and spin like tops, you’ve done what everyone on the right should be doing by pointing out their sanctimonious double standards and a President who has been more interested in campaigning than doing the job he was elected to do.

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LOL

September 10th, 2012
3:05 pm
Aquagirl says “He’d be ineffective”. sorta like he is now……anybody recall the budget he sent over to congress and it pulled an 0 for? Ineffective is a gross understatement as to what he would be.

Let’s try this whole budget thingy ONE MORE TIME, and listen up ya’ll -

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/06/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-failed-pass-budget/

Back to the headlines, do you not find it AMAZING how Osma is dead and Obama doesn’t even attend intelligence meetings. WOW, not calling you shirley but SURELY you can come up with something better than this guys.

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Avoidance of meetings (unless your boss makes you attend) indicates good sense! Meetings are boring and waste time; a smart person save hours of valuable time by reading the minutes of the meeting, rather than attending.

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I also wish we had a better security protocol like the last administration that outed a CIA agent that did not agree with their policies and constantly leaked Iraqi information to Judy Miller at the New York Times.

Yep, the late Richard Armitege (sp), whatever post he held, outed a CIA employee (not a working agent) to a reporter, Bob Novak. Not the same as revealing our sources and methods of obtaining information, before this, one of the worst national security infractions, short of giving or selling classified information to an another foreign government (i.e. Bradley Manning).

Obama, no secret is safe, if he needs the info for publicity. When you have a lousy record of accomplishment, you have to get favorable pub, where ever you can.

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Obozo not showing up for intelligence briefings. School teachers putting their own greed ahead of student learning.

These Chicago punks sure are worthless and lazy.

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Kyle you can do better than this. I did a search for the Government Accountability Institute – and found, among other things, their facebook page. It has all kinds of links to things like NewsMax, the Heritage Foundation, Breitbart, and of course all the goofy attacks on AG Eric Holder.

You posting this nonsense as fact would be equivalent to some lib posting an article from Daily Kos and expecting you and the cons to accept it as fact.

Ain’t gonna happen.

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W hen you have a lousy record of accomplishment, you have to get favorable pub, where ever you can.

Ask him about Obama’s record.

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Oh here’s a thought Kyle, write a lot of real fluffy articles. Maybe it will drive these Democrats back to their Daily Kos.

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Oh the sanctimonious double standards crowd is all of the sudden finding something hypocritical?! More pot calling kettle black

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WOW

two days before Apple is expected to announce the specifications, price and availability of the iPhone 5, JP Morgan released a short research note suggesting that iPhone 5 sales “could potentially add between 1/4 to 1/2%-point to fourth quarter annualized GDP growth.”

salon.com

That’s some serious weight to toss around.

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Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
September 10th, 2012
4:10 pm

“Auntie, hint, they never were objective. Long ago, we didn’t know any better, as the conservative side was never told. ”
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Again with the myth of the “liberal media,” like the Santa Claus and virgin birth a fairy tale that won’t die. Don’t know how old you are, but I am in my mid 60’s and began watching “Face the Nation,” and “Meet the Press,” when politicians and leaders from either party actually sweated under the grilling they received from the journalists when they tried to blow off a question, or voiced some statement contradicting an earlier position. Korea and Viet Nam were cheer led by the media, Whether MLK had ties to the Communists was questioned along with coverage of atrocities in Birmingham. It was only after Nixon raised the specter of “liberal media,” and his lawlessness later exposed did “liberal media” become a right wing/repub talking point. These days, if the media doesn’t give orly taitz the same coverage given to our President, we are told that that is “evidence” of media bias.

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Kyle you’ve finally fallen off the wagon. Please give up drinking and start back to writing. I believe in you Kyle. You can DO it. Just take the pledge and remember to take it one day at a time!

PS: Please don’t be dissauded — it seems that 99% of the cons have started drinking and cussing too, (probably since Chevy didn’t fail and Obama got Osama); but i believe that even though you’re sorta whacked; you’re still one of the FEW cogent cons.

Please seek all the help and take all the time that you need.

Signed,

Your friend Debbie.

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I don’t recall the Toyota folks whining about the development costs of the Prius.

It’s kicking GM’s hind quarters.

Toyota built a product people actually wanted. The Prius is how free market capitalism works. The Volt is how crony corporations work.

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Geez! Maybe the left should’ve vetted Obama.

Did you hear?

A candidate for the White House has a new plan to take seniors out of traditional Medicare and put them at the mercy of private insurance plans. No, I’m not talking about Gov. Romney. The candidate whose would program ends Medicare as the affected seniors know it is President Obama.

On Friday, Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services announced that it was initiating a pilot program to shift up to 2 million of the poorest seniors from Medicare into private insurance plans administrated by the states. This might come as a great shock, since just the day before Obama told millions of watching Americans that they should never “have to spend their golden years at the mercy of insurance companies.”

From Bush III to Ryan II.

Does Obama have any ideas of his own?

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auntie: Now his brethren at drudge, the daily caller, and pox can write that “it has been reported” that Obama “skips his intelligence briefings” and “is endangering the country” by his indifference.

Unfortunately, their spin just doesn’t add up (just like Ryan’s Budget); there’ve been so many dead A.Q.’s that someone was giving the order to ice them. And NO cons, it wasn’t Biden. Unlike Cheney, Biden knows his place as the VP.

brane: Wasn’t it W who required all his national security reports to be condensed to no more than 2 paragraphs?

Yeah! I forgot about that! It probably looked like this:

Bin Laden – Bad Guy.
Do We Know Where He Is? – No.
Are We Looking? – No.
Any Baseball News? – Yes. Rangers lost. Again.

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Kyle, I reread your article to see if I had misjudged its main point, which I took to be that by not attending security briefings every day, he was not really doing an important part of his job. So I commented based on that. Others were less polite, calling the point you were making “stupid”. Now, you say everyone misunderstood you. . . that your main point was that Obama people were puffing about his involvement in national security decisions. Like I said above, I reread your article and it appears that my original interpretation of its thrust was correct. I think you accurately summed it up in the article’s concluding paragraph:

“This is certainly of a piece with the reporting from Bob Woodward’s latest book that ‘gaps’ in presidential leadership mean, at times, ‘no one is running Washington.’ Of course, attending these meetings would make it harder for the president to fulfill one of his other priorities in, ahem, unprecedented fashion.”

If you want posters to remain on topic, it is your responsibility to state with clarity what the topic is. Clarity of expression is a major prerequisite of any type of journalism. While I find that you almost always express yourself quite well with clarity and articulately, it is obvious from the comments that in the future you have to do better than you did in this particular article.

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Sorry, H.E., but this blog is not about you. Folks here respond to whoever they wish, whenever they wish. If you don’t like that, start your own blog and write your own rules.

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Psst @@ – Saw this below and figured out quickly that this is either a hachet job OR a colossal joke. Can’t figure out which:

It worked for President Bush’s Medicare Part D program, and Rep. Ryan relied on the same principle in creating his plan to keep Medicare solvent for all Americans. It’s telling that Obama-as-President embraces this Republican principle even as Obama-as-candidate attacks it.
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Medicare Part D is bankrupting Social Security! Anybody who can read a spreadsheet or a GAO report knows that!!

But, gotta give to them and you ; it was worth a try………..if anyone is dumb enough to believe it!

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Barry

Perusing a few articles, I see some conflicting info on Prius. Ex CEO of Toyota North America said the government was involved. Other auto industry execs have said the same, but there are reports that said they didn’t.

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The way these socialist libs are complaining and whining you must have really struck a nerve Kyle?

It’s supper time. I out of here.

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“all posts are up for affirmation, scrutiny, ridicule, laughter, etc.”

Indeed they are and LBB is a poster child for most of those sentiments, but clearly within his rights to show off his talents.

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OMG! @@ is confused!! You quoted Obama as saying this (below):

We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there.”

But with one swipe of my google button THIS is what I found:

The ad uses a quote from Obama taken out of its context. In August 2007 at a New Hampshire campaign event, Obama was asked whether he would move U.S. troops from Iraq so they could be used elsewhere. More troops are needed in Afghanistan, Obama said: “We’ve got to get the job done there, and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there.”

After Obama made that statement, the Associated Press produced a “fact check.” It concluded that “Western forces (in Afghanistan) have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents have been killing civilians

Wow @@! Either you have to learn to stand for something, (truth one help), or you’ll fall for ANYTHING!!

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Chrysler exec retreats on comment about Prius subsidies

Chrysler Vice Chairman Jim Press said Wednesday that he “in no way” meant to suggest the Japanese government improperly subsidized development of batteries for Toyota’s popular Prius hybrid.

Through a Chrysler spokeswoman, Press said Wednesday night: “In no way was it intended to be a suggestion that Prius got all this money.”

The comment quoted in the magazine also would contradict Press’ answer at a congressional hearing a year ago. Then head of Toyota’s U.S. operations, he said, “No, sir,” when asked if the government had paid for Toyota’s hybrid development, and, “Yes, sir,” when asked if Toyota had paid for it all.

Toyota spokesman Paul Nolasco said Wednesday: “I can say 100% that Toyota received absolutely no support — no money, no grants — from the Japanese government for the development of the Prius.”

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-04-02-toyota-prius-subisidies_N.htm
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Prius: Teaching Obozo-style crony corporations a lesson in free market capitalism.

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Barry

If you wouldn’t be so up tight and looking to boost your low self esteem and self worth, you will see where I came back with another post about conflicting reports

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Debbie:

Not much difference really. He obviously thinks airstrikes create problems whether in Afghanistan or elsewhere.

If ‘ya wanna argue that he’s spreading the love all over the ME, I would agree.

I’ve got no problem with airstrikes…never did.

HECK! I’ve given credit to Obama for being a KILLING MACHINE.

Unfortunately, security issues are not a priority in today’s America.

It’s more about job security. His “pee shooter” ain’t gettin’ the job done.

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Drill here, drill now, drill forever. That sum up the con plan?

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Yes, drilling for the oil and gas resources needed to fuel American industry and Americans’ lifestyle is the plan. Is there a problem with that?

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Obozo fanboys and fangirls should most definitely NOT be posting about the importance of looking at the results!

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Do you ungrateful hypocrites on the right remember how scared Amercian people where waking thru the airport?

Thank you Obama for keeping this country safe no matter how these ungrateful right nut jobs will never give you your credit, these people can not even use there last President name,”””’

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Poor dear Auntie. Were you on the receiving end of one of my fact-based beatdowns, perhaps under a different sockpuppet?

What Americans represent is Obozo failing to lead, and instead doing all he can to weaken the economy, enslave the people, and destroy the military.

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Gotta love them unions (just a smattering of headlines):

Turn Down $400 Million Deal, 16% Pay Raise…
Have Highest Average Salary In Nation…
Average $76,000 per year before benefits…
SOME SCHOOLS OPEN — BUT JUST TO SERVE FREE MEALS…
400,000 STUDENTS UNLEASHED…
Cops Pour Onto Streets to Deal With ‘Unsupervised Kids’…
GODFATHER ‘DISAPPOINTED,’ VOWS TO END STRIKE…
Rahm’s kids’ school open; attend elite $25,000-a-year ‘lab’…

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Obama Thugs Rough Up Gallup For Polls They Don’t Like

http://www.dickmorris.com/obama-thugs-rough-up-gallup-for-polls-they-dont-like/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

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At least they get it:

SEEKING GROWTH, UK TAKES AX TO BUSINESS REGULATION

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_BUSINESS_REGULATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-10-07-33-17

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Who knew?

How Michelle Rhee Is Taking Over the Democratic Party

In a major shift, education reformers are now influential at the highest levels of the party once dominated by the teachers unions.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/how-michelle-rhee-is-taking-over-the-democratic-party/262082/

Pretty soon, DemocratICK…tick…tick voters will have no one on their side when it comes to education reform.

Teachers unions will be a thing of the past.

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Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
September 10th, 2012
5:44 pm

What Americans represent is Obozo failing to lead, and instead doing all he can to weaken the economy, enslave the people, and destroy the military.
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As I said in a previous post: Spot on depictions of a very angry, somewhat disturbed individual, whose only reason for being is to lurk about this blog, usually being the first to comment, posting nothing of significance, just tired, senseless insults to the President of the US.

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Auntie:

Any good American worth their salt would resent these insults to the leader of the country

Don’t share your sentiment. If someone holds the highest office in this nation, does he really need me to kiss his boo boos?

Is he THAT weak!!??!!

He’s a grown man fercryinoutloud!!!!

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“no one is running Washington.”

. . . and that has been the case since January, 2009.

One of the very few legitimate functions of the federal government is the defense of America and its citizens. Common sense dictates that the President be aware of all potential threats to our nation. The Kenyan is far too occupied with steering America into communism, promoting class warfare and financing his re-election campaign to be concerned about the safety of the nation.

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Auntie Christ 6:00,

“Senseless insults to the President of the US?” Senseless insults. Now that’s really rich. This arrogant buffoon that you will vote for in November, for whatever reason I cannot fathom, has tried and nearly succeeded in destroying what we know as America. If he wins re-election, there is certainly no doubt. You might want to live in a Bozo America but there are a majority of Americans that see your hero for what he is ….. a narcissist half white/black socialist who seeks to make this a second rate country…… by choice. Auntie Christ, I don’t want to be second rate. Neither do the majority of Americans who have enjoyed this country and the freedoms that it gives us. I am not angry, I am not disturbed and I certainly don’t lurk around any blog. You are just as complicit in this sham as this sorry excuse for a president that we pretend to have. You are just to blind to see it.

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Of course I don’t put much stock in these polls nowadays. They seem to be more for the purpose of shaping/influencing opinion rather than reflecting/reporting opinion; more for making news than reporting news.

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Not to mention that Carter was up by 4 over Reagan in Sept. 1980 (thank God the electorate wasn’t that dumb in the end) and Dukakis (of all people) was up by 17 over Bush in 1988…..

and the fact that Clinton (who never got over 50% of the popular vote) was the only Democrat president to be re-elected since FDR.

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Stephenson Billings
September 10th, 2012
6:25 pm

Not to mention that Carter was up by 4 over Reagan in Sept. 1980 (thank God the electorate wasn’t that dumb in the end) and Dukakis (of all people) was up by 17 over Bush in 1988…..
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Yet despite this fact, every right winger on here breathlessly rushes to post every 1/10 of 1% move in the polls if it shows favorably for romney, as if it is proof positive Obama is going to lose.

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Read the headline of Kookman’s blog. Made me chuckle. For some reason he thinks Obama is “winning”. Interesting because I thought the election was in November and no one actually voted yet. It’s sort of like saying I know one football team is going to beat another football team just because the betting line says so.

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White House: Publicly defining a red line for Iran is not ‘fruitful’

Neither was setting a definitive date for withdrawal, but that didn’t stop Obama from doing just that.

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Dukakis and Carter polls are getting a lot of play for those upset with recent data. A quick search of the Google shows Limbaugh, Drudge, Breitbart and others using this meme to keep conservatives from coming down with the vapors.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/09/09/flashback-dukakis-led-bush-17-points-after-1988-dnc

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How many daily intelligence briefings is Osama bin Laden going to these days?

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Auntie:

An NCO may have little regard for a Colonel, but salutes nonetheless because you respect the office/rank, not because Colonel Smith would have his feelings hurt.

More like fear of punishment.

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Yup, it’s over. The “convention bump” in the polls means Obama is going to win. If I were you Democrats, I wouldn’t even bother going to vote….

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Stephenson

Long way to go and Romney could win in the manner that Reagan did, however there are as many differences as similarities. That is all I am saying.

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Wow, this one is truly desperate and sickening, Kyle. Let’s see, I think President Obama said it best, “I can walk and chew gum at the same time…” This ALL you got, man? Oooo, and I bet since he was not physically present at these briefings (because maybe he’s using his advisors, you know like the Secretary of Defense (which would include the service branches, VP, Joint Chiefs, NSA, DIA, et al.) surely, I would bet that this President gets his information directly or through one of his many staff to BRIEF him. You present this story as if he were going to impulsively make a snap decision the instant he hears that Putin was seen running shirtless through the Kremlin’s backyard. I can’t even begin to imagine how far you had to reach to get this earth shattering piece of information…(OMFG)….

Oh yeah, obviously Bush voted present because the “Shadow President Supreme” Dick Cheney told him too.

C’mon, Man!!!

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Auntie, 6:36,

Cutsie liberal sayings will not turn this country around. Little liberal platitudes will not do it. We have been there for four years and look where we find ourselves. We are broke. We have had over 8% unemployment for 43 straight months. We are presently 7th….. SEVENTH… in world productivity since 2009. Our growth rate is stalled at 1.7%. Business is scared to death of this clown and what he will do to their bottom line. He has lied and lied and lied again to the American people and still, you stand by him, for some idiot ideology thinking that the alternative of more jobs, a better economy is not as important as electing this peter principal clown to a second term. I am amazed at the supposed intelligence of some people, or lack it.

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@Kayaker 71 …

Please allow me to refresh you memory…

Q4 2008 job losses equaled 1.5 MILLION
Q4 2008 GDP decline was 8.9%
Business credit was non existent
DOW ended the year at 8776

Today…

4.5 million jobs created over last 29 months more than the entire Bush debacle
GDP growing at around 2% per year
Corporate profits at all time high
DOW 13,000 plus

Talk to me some more about cutsie…cutsie tax cuts, cutsie enforcement of legislation, cutsie vetting of intelligence info, cutsie “Mission Accomplished” parties and cutsie water boarding.

Damn I am with you enough “cutsie”…I am glad to be on the road to recovery and don’t plan to go back.

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Beverly, 6:50,

Bozo just gave the order, after he had waffled twice before when intel told him that the time was right. Did you watch 60 Minutes last night. Scott Pelly interviewed on the of the SEALS that was on the mission. It had nothing to do with Bozo any more than Bush had anything to do with Saddam. SEAL TEAM 6 are the heroes….. no one else.

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JDW, 6:54,

For every job that Bozo has “created”, one has left the work force. GDP is at 1.7%….. it was supposed to be at 4% due to the stimulus but guess what….. didn’t work. Hell, Mexico is at 4% and those countries in Europe that are under water financially are better off with growth rate than we are. Less people as a whole are working in this country than in 2009. The figures came out today…… we are 7th in world productivity. We were 1st in 2008. Don’t give me all these liberal platitudes about how great we are doing. It just makes you look more stupid than ever.

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JDW:

When he didn’t get immunity for our troops, he pulled the plug…and rightfully so.

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False equivalency……………

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In case JamMan makes his way over tonight, here’s some rocking Tommy Bolin (Stratus–the long version):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih5Hp1so14Y

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The fact that the Obama DOJ & With Holder is suing one of the oldest pollsters in the country (Gallup) might or might not stink to high Heaven.

The fact is that the Obama Adm. has not created one single, solitary net job since 1/09. Zilch! Nada!

The fact is that unemployment continues to be the worst, not just since the Great Depression, but in the history of our country.

The fact is that the American people know what’s going on. If the pollsters are being intimidated, then so are the pollees. Who in their right mind would tell an anonymous caller, claiming to be a pollster, that they intend on voting against Obama?

The polls are probably the most inaccurate since the Godfather was elected.

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Bruno

Nice selection.

Charlie Wilson thumped Chastain Park, Saturday night.

He opened with this number and it was on………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFLyjyqdJVQ

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7:06 pm

Auntie:

Bush didn’t base his re-election campaign on a withdrawal date. You do see the difference, don’t you?
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You’re absolutely right, he was basing mccains’s election on it. But again, that is irrelevant to your original premise, that Obama is deserving of criticism for announcing a withdraw date, but not a word about bush doing it

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What Linda says about job creation is technically correct, IF you ding the President for the full 800,000 jobs lost in Jan. 09 when he was elected near the end of the month, (take that one month out and he has created jobs). The subsequent few months also resulted in ~750,000/month lost so he does get faulted for not catching the falling knife. Add to this the fact that instead of adding over 1,000,000 government workers like President Bush, he has overseen a retraction of 800,000 government workers.

Highest unemployment in nations history is incorrect and no where near that experienced in the great depression.

My favorite is the assertion that polls not indicating Romney leading are a result of lawsuits and bullying. I do feel for the Romney team that has to placate a base that would believe such nonsense while attempting independent outreach…..it is virtually impossible.

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Oh and one more thing, to all you arm-chair soldiers, sailors, airmen, or marines, unless you served, you will never understand the title Commander-In-Chief. He was briefed and he had to make sure in his mind, he had to make sure as the President, and as the Leader of the Free World, that his decision was accurate (and that relied on the intelligence presented, the view from the ground, the opportunity present) to give the order to execute. And the SEALS did as they were trained. They could not give the order themselves, nor could any commander between SEAL Team 6 and the President.

Now if there are another set of rules that our military abides by, please enlighten me. If the order had been an order that clearly is wrong, a serviceman has the right to refuse that order, but that’s pretty much it. So, where does it say you can operate a secret mission ALL ON YOUR OWN?

Can’t believe how much this article bothered me…

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Linda,

The topic of the blog is about intelligence briefings, so how Bin Laden not relevant? One President spent $1 trillion dollars fighting and looking for him in the wrong country and the next took care of the problem. Sorry if that does not conform to your narrative.

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Regardless of the jobs-created argument, the recovery is nearly non-existent. Our President Reagan implemented pro-growth policies and had a big-boy recovery which makes Obozo’s weak effort look pathetic.

Reagan: Superior to Obozo.

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If you have something (like an economy) that needs fixing, don’t hire a guy who wears mom-jeans to do the job.

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HEP@7:25, The math is pretty simple. 8.3%, 8.2% & 8.1% is higher then the 7.8% when Obama took office.
Unfortunately, the main unemployment figures are skewed. Never in my life have I seen the need to dig deeper than the surface. The fact is that the labor participation rate is the lowest it’s been in 32 years.

The unemployment rate of over 8% for 43 consecutive months is the worse in history, for a president to demand to be re-elected.

So you are one of those pollees who tell pollsters (?) how much money you make, when you are away from home during the day & what your credit card number is?

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This one is dedicated to all the beautiful ladies on the blog–Dusty, @@ and Linda–and to my special honey, PB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjtOzLfebgY

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@@@…”When he didn’t get immunity for our troops, he pulled the plug…and rightfully so.”

Completely agree, so why do you want to snark him for it?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pnPYbwqFZU

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Brother Bruno

Sweet chocolate are probably 90% sure we will be there. Need to call my buddy to see if he and his wife still want to go, but we will probably go down either way.

Joe B is off the chart…………

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Unfortunately the story of 43 months over 8% being the worst in history is no where near correct. In 1930 unemployment topped 8%, peaking at almost 25% in 1933 and not falling below 8% again until 1942, during WWII.

I have no idea what you are suggesting with pollsters. My company has conducted numerous market research polls and do not see a basis for concern that people are being disingenuous or coerced. I am open to a fact based discussion of that possibility though.

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@kayaker 71…only person I know of that is not better off today than in 2008 is Osama Bin Laden. As for that BSyou spout on job creation…you did notice that it took until Feb 2010to stop that avalanche Duhbya created…didn’t you? O not that smart…yep that’s how long it took since them 4.5 million private sector jobs.

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For the history buffs:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/AP-Exclusive-Memos-show-US-hushed-up-Soviet-crime-3853017.php

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GM is really alive, but on life support. Bin Laden is dead, it is official, he is listed on the voter rolls in Chicago. That is about as official as it gets. BTW he is voting Dim, as do all dead folk; you would think he would vote against Obama, the man who killed him. Wish the Mistake had more on his list of accomplishments, but this is about it, so continue to emphasize these two great accomplishments dims.

Bounce goes up and then down. He is up and has peaked.

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@Kayacker…more than Bush had anything to do with Saddam.”

I give Bush 100 percent credit for Saddam. If he had bothered to do his job Saddam would still Be a penny ante dictator, we would bea trillion dollars richer and thousands of Americans would be alive or unhurt. Yep that one is all Duhbya…ever hear of pyrrhic victory…yes indeed Mission Accomplished!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w768vbvOjfc&feature=related

Brother Bruno

Have a good night and great week

Peace

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cc@8:02, The only email I’ve ever sent to a elected representative was to Bush to request that he not bail out the American car companies. I agree with you completely. It’s only a matter of time before GM will fold. Bandaid economics never work. Romney was correct. The auto companies should have been allowed to go thru bankruptcy with Obama manipulation.

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Why do dems want Obama to get credit for killing Osama but do not want to take credit for not taking him out before he could bomb us ? And speaking of Clinton, did anyone catch his commercial whining about deregulation and repubs ? He signed a bill allowing credit default swaps, signed a bill to end Glass-Stegall, authorized a more aggressive community reinvestment act and signed NAFTA.!
I am surprised Clinton did not include a line in his speech about repubs forcing themselves on women during the democrat convention.

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Jobs? Mittens claims that he would create 12 million. Independent analysts project 12 million jobs created over the next four years, regardless of who is elected. So Mittens is promising to do…. NOTHING, And why would there be this projection? Could it be that conditions have been put in place to grow the economy?

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Call me stupid but I thought the topic of the article upon which are all supposed to be commenting is (1) Obama folks puffing about his oversight of national securities issue (Kyle’s clarified version) or (2) whether the fact Obama only attends half of his daily national security briefings means he has been a bad mgr. of national security. Either way, it is hard to tell from the last 2 pages of posts.

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I’m delighted to see so many Bookman regulars coming over to Kyles blog to express their opinions. Of course they need to behave or Kyle gives them the boot in a fair, firm and equal manner. Unlike, Bookman who favors his pet sycophants.

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It’s not a blog. It’s a cult. Go over there after he leaves on Friday & state that wrestling is not real. They will defend it all night long & until you log back on the next day.
Try to blog with more than a couple of sentences.
Try to blog without a natural soundbite of the human digestive tract in an enclosed vehicle.
Try to offer a recipe rather than a song.
Try to say that global warming is a hoax.
It’s a comedy without proportions if it was not so pathetic.

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It seems that the same ones who talk about President Obama forget about ALL the VACATION TIME Bush took with the wife and the Drunk Daughters!!!! Your right, ignorance is Bliss — Republican Ignorance is Bliss!!

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Romney’s going to win! Romney’s going to win! Romney’s going to win! Romney’s going to win!

Let’s gather around in a circle and sing together! How could he not win?

Romney’s going to win! Romney’s going to win! Romney’s going to win! Romney’s going to win!

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bob @ 8:27 pm:

The Kenyan and Holder do credit for the murder of Bryan Terry.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxC3oAD1iUg

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HD–How ’bout those Phillies?? Only 5.5 games out of the wildcard now.

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Bruno @ 10:15

Ain’t gonna happen.

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HillBilly D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJeqx_J0BE8

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63YxKsR5-A

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HD @ 10:41–Kind of a shame they blew that game against the Braves in the 9th inning recently. Then they would only be 4.5 back. Woulda, coulda, shoulda……

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Yes,I am sure you are the smartest person you know.

I will grant you the gift of gab. I will have to see evidence of the common sense, which has yet to be evidenced in this discussion.

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HD–I’m not sure why, but your song @ 10:41 reminded me of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu023iV_atg

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Back at ya, TBS—-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVHL_rxbhg0

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What a shame! All this controversy over whether Obama goes to a meeting. Obviously republicans are struggling to find something to criticize him about. Obama killed the terrorist that Bush just couldn’t seem to find. Even when he went to meetings, Bush still ignored info that warned that terrorists we going to act. It’s got to be hard being a republican right now. Even though they know that they voted for a failure…Twice!…they have to act like it never happened and they have a candidate thats not very inspiring. I expect that they will attack Obama on what he has for breakfast next.

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What a shame! All this controversy over whether Obama goes to a meeting. Obviously republicans are struggling to find something to criticize him about. Obama killed the terrorist that Bush just couldn’t seem to find. Even when he went to meetings, Bush still ignored info that warned that terrorists were going to act. It’s got to be hard being a republican right now. Even though they know that they voted for a failure…Twice!…they have to act like it never happened and they have a candidate that’s not very inspiring. I expect that they will attack Obama on what he has for breakfast next.

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How pathetic of you kyle – Is this the best you can do in throwing dirt at Obama??? There has been no security breaches under Obama. Even Romney doesn’t dare go there. Unlike those pathetic neocons that allowed 9-11 to happen because they had their priorities all convoluted , there has been not a single serious security breach effecting civilian deaths under Obama compared to 2900 deaths on 9-11 due to W’s incompetence. And foreign policy- Hillary and Obama have a nearly unblemished record compared to the follies under W. John Kerry was right on ridiculing the lack of experience and knowledge by you two wannabees. He called romney’s trip overseas what it was – a blooper reel.

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He’s busy zapping “evildoers” w/drones?

He recognizes Bush either got bad info or ignored it and got re-elected anyway?

He recognizes that those giving him the briefings are skewing the info to further an agenda of their own?

Essentially the same info is repeated, repeatedly?

Those giving the briefings don’t play golf?

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Great article Kyle – get them cons believing that the socialist in the White House is going to let the commies and terrorists just take over this country by ignoring those briefings. We all know who really shot Ben Laden- why it was old man man Cheney over in Pakistan on a hunting trip who accidentally shot him – not Obama and those Seals.And that whole Ghadaffi deal was a big mistake- He and W had kissed and made up and made him our ally with military aid too. Obama just did not get that briefing. Poor guy got tracked down like a rat and killed by them radicals.
W is still trying to figure out what the US . is planning to do about that attack on the USS Cole and those 18 salors the Muslims killed.. Somebody says that was like an act of war.Guess W just missed that briefing.But we will just sweep that one under the rug and blame Obama.

Remember if you pass gas blame the commies in the room.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7QE5htyb7E

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Obama’s handlers tell him when to jump and how high. Reminds me of E’Gore and his ridiculous “alpha” male.

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It isn’t whether the president attends the meetings that counts it’s whether he heeds the intelligence the services provice. See this in todays NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?igoogle=1 .

Bush allegedly attended but must have slept throught the meetings.

Obama gets the message(s) and gets the job(s) done.

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We learned after 9/11 that the attack was planned, organized, and trained for on Clinton’s watch. Why didn’t HE stop it? And what actionable intelligence did Our President Bush have, which would necessarily have been gathered by the CIA he inherited?

Didn’t think so.

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The Presidency is an inconvenience to him, it’s just the vehicle that fuels his celebrity. If he was still a Senator from IL, would he be hanging out with Tyler Perry, staying at the 4 Seasons Beverly Hills with George Clooney or playing 1 on 1 with Michael Jordan? Nope.

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The previous occupant of the Whitehouse attended the briefings, but couldn’t uderstand what they meant. Remember 9/11?

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@Linda…”It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s the truth. I could cite over 100 instances,”

Well then, enough of your inane blathering! Lets have your top ten.

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With three weeks still to go in the fiscal year, the federal government already has notched its fourth straight trillion-dollar deficit, the Congressional Budget Office said Monday.
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Heckuva job, Obozo.

Thanks, Democrats.

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You really can’t blame the republican’s for not taking out Bin Laden, after all they respect the sanctity of life.

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Del, please cite your source(s) for the fantasy land version of taking out OBL. Just a couple of notes, intelligence is rarely 100% and was not in this case, it would have involved much lower risk to simply bomb the house so kudos for stepping up to a higher risk, higher reward scenario, how does letting Al Qaeda know the team is based in Ft. Campbell risk their lives, are you suggesting they are a forward operating threat to attack the base because he did not identify individual members?

Obama Derangement Syndrome – the cure is turn off Limbaugh, Hannity and perhaps even worse Michael Savage and educate yourself.

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Pennypacker, I don’t listen to Limbaugh nor do I have time to watch Hannity, however, it may be that you spend much of your time on the left wing Web sites and blogs. That may explain why you don’t seem to be very much aware of the events associated with the OBL operation both pre and post. I’d attempt to educated you but I don’t have time for that either and I suspect such an attempt would be futile anyway.

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Poor Del, can’t cite one single source to support his case, but tries to distract with the age old, “I’m not, but you are”.

I am currently holding Vol. CLXI….No. 55,891 of The Grey Lady, the best resource around for foreign news and a paper to which I subscribe. For stories like this they actually have a foreign bureau in Pakistan and a reporter at the Pentagon. I know many far right conservatives like to dismiss any news from the Times as liberal, but that would be as mistaken as ignoring the financial news of the Wall Street Journal just because I disagree with its editorial page and its owner.

Come on, just give me a link to something…..even if it is Breitbart, The Daily Caller, or The Blaze, it will be based upon some hard hitting research I’m sure.

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“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”.In June 2001, German intelligence warned the US, Britain, and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft Within the American intelligence community, “the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified” but “there was disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented.” This warning came from Echelon, a spy satellite network that is partly based in Germany. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01]
.In late July 2001, Egyptian intelligence received a report from an undercover agent in Afghanistan that “20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas.” To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn’t sound terribly alarming, but they passed on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. “The request never came.” [CBS, 10/9/02]

.In late summer 2001, Jordan intelligence intercepted a message stating that a major attack was being planned inside the US and that aircraft would be used. The code name of the operation was Big Wedding, which did in fact turn out to be the codename of the 9/11 plot. The message was passed to US intelligence through several channels. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02]
. Russian President Vladimir Putin publicly stated that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US in the summer of 2001 that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
And where was George Bush? On the ranch vacationing after six months on the job .

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Obozo spent 412 hours in economic meetings, 600 hours on the golf course.

Obozo: Lazy.

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Standing up to Rahm:
Since Rahm Emanuel’s election in the spring of 2011, Chicago’s teachers have been asked to eat shi$ by a mayor obsessed with displaying to the universe his “toughness” — toughness with the working-class people that make the city tick; toughness with the protesters standing up to say “no”; but never, ever toughness with the vested interests, including anti-union charter school advocates
salon.com

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Del @ 8:06 am

Secretary (Robert) Gates: “this is one of the most courageous calls — decisions — that I think I’ve ever seen a president make.”

The raid commander) Admiral (William) McRaven: “At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden for this operation, that made the hard decisions, that was instrumental in the planning process, because I pitched every plan to him.”

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We were attacked on 9/11 by a Saudi-dominated group –> most of the hijackers and OBL were Saudi.

W goes and attacks Afghanistan and Iraq…..

WTF?

Obama wasn’t going to hold hands with the Saudi Prince and make promises of everlasting love like W did.

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InAtl, I never said the Times did not have a progressive slant, just like I said the WSJ has a conservative slant. My point was to simply dismiss everything that comes from either source is close minded and foolhardy.

At the end of the day, facts are facts and my point was that Del has evidenced zero facts and although he might be diligently conducting his own research to support his outrageous claims, I doubt that very much.

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Blue, I would love to read your source for the waterboarding claim.

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Obozo bowed to the Saudi king.

Loser.

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“George W. Bush almost never missed his daily intelligence meeting.”

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I mean, really? The guy who was in charge on the day of the worst mass killing in U.S. history?

Kyle, I don’t know if it’s possible for you to have any less credibility, but you might have topped yourself with this one.

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George Bush may have almost never missed a briefing but what good did it do? The Cheney national security record is the worst in modern history.
Suggest you visit
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=2&hp
to put this into perspective.
You’ve admitted that the President still gets the information from his briefings… it’s clear that his predecessor didn’t “get” much of anything.

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Amazing well not really how the left wingers will go read something on media matter, the daily kos or Huffington Post and accept it as absolute fact. They haven’t learned that there’s slant in every report regardless of the source and you have to digest information from many sources and then formulate your own conclusions. They’re inability or lack of will explains how they become such tools for the far-left.

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I don’t think I can top the clever line by “I Report (You Whine)” at the opening of the blog comments.

I think I can take exception to the intelligent essay by our host and the underlying argument by Mr. Thiessen. Broad dissemination of intelligence is a great thing, and suggests that even Obama has learned from the errors of the Jaime Gorelick “wall of separation” of the Clinton days. However, by encouraging Obama to be “hands on” with every issue – a position he admittedly has claimed he holds, even down to the execution of bin Laden – we would urge recreation of the worst instincts of the Carter administration (he famous for keeping the tennis court schedules.)

I am somewhat relieved that Obama is not involved in every security briefing, and if I thought he was delegating real authority to someone competent to analyze, I would be greatly relieved.

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As Jay pointed out a while back, Obama is the most divisive President we have ever had. Obama is the “Great Divider”.

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Del,

I don’t think you understand the definition of “source”. By simply retyping your beliefs without citation you have not advanced your cause, you are simply rambling.

I would enjoy hearing how you could logically explain how the President went from not wanting to conduct the raid to finally choosing the highest risk option, which was to send a Seal team in….but then again logic and facts do not appear to be your strong suit.

Rewatch this and get back to me:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57435322/robert-gates-concern-about-osama-bin-laden-raid-was-he-there/

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Hey Oblama, given that the President has overseen yearly increases to our military budget, when does the nefarious plan to “gut” the military kick in? I think I now know Del’s source, its Oblama.

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whoa

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This is what happens when the Republicans start getting desperate.

Now they are talking about Obama taking God off US Coins etc etc.

Its nonsense but they know it will fire people up and win votes.

If you think this stuff is silly. What and see what they come up with next.

The black helicopters are circling boys.

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Osama is dead.

GM is alive

Enough said.

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“If you are going to blame Bush rather than his predecessor for the events that led up to 9/11, will you then also blame Mr. Obama for the present economic condition of this country?”

Apples to oranges. 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. The economy was bleeding jobs before Bush left office.

Haha, are you really trying to make that argument? That Clinton is Responsible for something that happened after he left office and Obama is responsible for something that happened before he took office?

I mean…really??

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most repubs and rightwing columnists wanted the mission to get OBAMA to fail. sad and pathetic but true.

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THE WORLDS BIGGEST LIE;

REPUBS are better at defending this country…yeah right that myth has been blown out the water hasnt it.

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today must be a sad day for petty petulant rightwingers. They wont give credit to OBAMA for getting OSAMA and they blame 9/11 on CLINTON…what a sad pathetic worlds of denial they live in. Must the magic mushrooms.

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wow,

As much as most conservatives dislike the policies of our current president, if there was a mission to “get Obama,” a VAST majority of conservatives do not support such a mission. I would hope that you would join us in supporting the failure of that mission.

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i believe most conservatives would welcome a terrorist attack on this country because it would make OBAMA look weak.

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I’m a right-wing Christian, wow. I don’t hate Mr. Obama. I’m not going to vote for him. I don’t agree with his policies. They aren’t all bad, and I don’t think that they are, nor do most (admittedly, probably not all) of my conservative friends. The fact that you try to label me as a hater insults me, but the fact that you are doing so with ZERO evidence makes you look weak. You would be wise to refrain from such drivel.

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@david

its amazing that KYLE will let any derogatory coment about OBAMA go unchallenged no matter how dirty and gutter it is.

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wow @ 11:07

OK, Charles Manson believed things too. That didn’t make them true. Your statement about you believing conservtives want another successful terrorist attack just to make Obama look bad is just about the most ridiculous thing I’ve read on this forum since I’ve been on here. I’m not angry with you. I feel sorry for you that you have blinded yourself into thinking that way. You are obviously someone who looks only for truth as you want to see it, and not as it really is. A shame, really.

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If the BIN LADEN mission had failed, who do you think would have gotten the blame? OBAMA of course. Rightwing columnists would have a field calling him weak on defense. But to their chagrin it worked. now we have columns like this to distract us from facts.

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election.

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Carter’s failed mission haunted him in the 1980 campaign. Same thing would have happened to BO in the 2012 campaign.

But things turned out positively. Poor Cons.

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Pennypacker,

I guess I could give you some credit for tenacity but you’re trying to win an argument that you’ve already lost. While I’m speculating on the context of Panetta’s and Hillary’s argument that persuaded Obama to green light the operation, it’s common knowledge that Biden and Jarrett we’re admonishing him against it. Biden has publicly admitted that he advised against it. It’s also common knowledge that the intelligence basis for executing the operation had been gathered long before Obama set foot in the Oval Office. It was a cell phone trace from bin Ladin’s courier that confirmed OBL’s location in Pakistan. This was not a courageous decision on Obama’s part he had no other choice but to approve the mission. Had he not have done so, word would have leaked out and he would of had a serious political problem and he knew it. As for how SEAL team Six was identified as the operations SOCOM unit and the publicized meeting that took place at Ft. Campbell that was widely reported in the media and it’s amazing that you missed it.

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Finn,

If you think that the planning of 9/11 and the intelligence to be gathered regarding a mission like began in 2000, then it is YOU who don’t understand, Finn. Planning a mission like that takes more than 2 years of research.

Understand, just like I will agree that not everything that has happened to cause our economic issues is Obama’s fault, nor was 9/11 all Bush’s fault. I LIKED how Bush handled our domestic security after the event. At the time, even my liberal friends were saying that Bush was better-suited for handling a tragedy like that than Al Gore was. And you can’t blame Bush for all the failures of his intelligence community. Remember, until the commission changed things, the different bureaus were restricted from being able to talk with one another about many things. But Bush was the captain of the ship at e time, if you will. I don’t blame him fully, but it did happen on his watch, and good ship captains take responsibility for what happened on their boat when they are in charge.

That’s where Obama is SORELY lacking. EVERYTHING is ALWAYS someone else’s fault. So if you want to be critical of conservatives for not blaming Bush for 9/11, you must then make Obama accountable–at least in good part–for the economic mess we continue to experience, and the latest job report only confirms.

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Amusing these moronic posted comments about Kyle’s blog. This is a conservative forum if the topics and discourse bother you there’s a place on the AJC Web site where you can hang out and probably feel more at home.

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I refuse to believe Americans are stupid and greedy enough to vote for Obozo twice.

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David R.DDS,

I do give him credit but no where near what the left has given and I do take issue with the administrations leaking of SEAL Team Six’s identity and the subsequent grandstanding for political motives. That to me is more than just disgusting.

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Osama tried to blow up the World Trade Center did blow up an embassy in Africa and the USS Cole on Clinton’s watch. If he had gotten him, then 9/11 would not have happened. Yet, all the vitriol is put on Bush.

Yes, the economic “collapse” happened on Bush’s watch, but what we blame on Obama is the lack of a recovery. President’s in the 20’s and 30’s often did nothing in the face of a recession, and America pulled out of it in two years or so. The American economy works when conditions are right for business to grow and expand. Obama arrogantly did things his way, ignoring the script provided by previous presidents, on recovery.

We probably would have fared better had Obama done nothing, than what he did, full bore spending to fill in the gaps and over regulation of business and banks. The recession may have been more severe, but the recovery would have been more robust and quicker. The spending did not work and ran up the debt, and his regulations, hampered business, closed small banks, that normally loan money to small businesses. His focus on green energy and healthcare in the time of a recession was not what we needed him to focus on, jobs and recovery. That is what we blame him for, refusing to seek tried and true remedies, misplaced priorities, and no leadership. He deserves to be dismissed.

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@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…

September 10th, 2012
12:26 pm
Well, you have to have intelligence or at least be intelligent and I’m thinking they won’t let obozo in that room.

They probably hand him a set of golf clubs if he insists.

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College Transcripts of George W. Bush Show C Average.

GeeDubya needed the intelligence briefings.

Obama was admitted to Harvard Law School, it’s hard to imagine his

GPA was much lower than a 3.3.

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SBinF,

I noted that you didn’t answer my question.

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

September 11th, 2012
12:24 pm
I refuse to believe Americans are stupid and greedy enough to vote for Obozo twice.

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Yeah, and we couldn’t believe Americans were stupid and brain dead enough to vote

for GeeDubYa twice.

But they did.

So Obama desire the same consideration.

GeeDubYa was no GENIUS.

When the planes hit the twin towers GeeDubYa says

his apparent lack of reaction to the first news of the Sept. 11 2001

attacks was a conscious decision to project an aura of calm in a crisis.

That lie was half way around the world before it put its boots on.

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@getalife

September 11th, 2012
11:27 am
David R. Boag, DDS ,

Your party attacked our President for getting obl. Your party failed to unite after a collapse and planned to get our President for this instead.

We feel sorry for you and cons can never ever claim to be patriotic again.

Own it.

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They OWN IT.

The Daily News
Republicans wrong to attack Obama on Bin Laden
MIKE LUPICA
Monday, April 30, 2012

Are they kidding? If it had been Bush who ordered the hit on Bin Laden, the Republicans would have wanted to make the day it happened into an instant NATIONAL HOLIDAY.

They OWN IT.

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Condi Rice lied during a 911 hearing.

She said she could not remember if GEEDUBYA was told in a Presidential

Daily Brief (PDB) that there were terrorists cells in the U. S.

Yeah, Geedubya knew there were terrorists in the U.S.

I guess he WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION THAT DAY.

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GeeDubYa was told about terrorists in the U. W. in Pre 911 Intelligence Briefings

in 2001.

Bush administration was AWARE of possible 911 attack in pre-911 briefings.

Somebody WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION….I WONDER WHO?

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When it comes to intelligence briefings, Obama isn’t even voting ‘present’.

GeeDubYa was told about terrorists in the U. S. in Pre 911 Intelligence Briefings

Somebody voted PRESENT AND WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION….

I WONDER WHO?

George W. Bush that’s who.

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[...] Secretary Leon Panetta and/or other intelligence officials, he always reads intel reports daily.  However, a report in the Atlanta Constitution Journal points out that the face to face meetings are important so the President can ask questions of his [...]

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the little penis repubs like KYLE must be having an orgasm today…lol

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