2012 Tuesday: What will we hear from Charlotte?

Last week in Tampa, the Republicans made significant progress toward their main objectives: revealing more of the personal side of Mitt Romney, and clearly communicating their pitch to voters in this election.

This week in Charlotte, it’s the Democrats’ turn. What will President Obama and his party try to accomplish? Will they continue to play defense against the GOP or try to seize the initiative?

Going into today’s opening events, it would appear it’s the former, with Democrats trying to neutralize the Republican message. Here’s part of today’s curtain-raiser from the Wall Street Journal:

The Democratic Party’s goals for the three-day gathering include widening its advantages among female and Hispanic voters while limiting Mr. Obama’s losses among white, working-class ones. At the same time, its overarching ambition is to rebut Mr. Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, who used last week’s Republican National Convention to try to pry away the president’s 2008 voters by casting him as a nice guy who isn’t up to the challenge. …

A senior Obama campaign official said the president may offer one or two new policy proposals in his speech Thursday, when he accepts the nomination for re-election, but that he would spend more time arguing that his existing ideas on health care, education and deficit-reduction amount to “a clear, concrete and achievable plan” for a second term.

The New York Times sounds a similar note, observing that the thrill of 2008 is gone and that Democrats’ “unity at this point is defined less by faith in Mr. Obama or a robust vision for what the party should stand for than by the prospect that Republicans could control the White House and Congress next year and enact a conservative agenda that would unravel much of what Democrats have stood for since Lyndon B. Johnson’s Great Society.”

So it’s defense, defense, defense.

In football, they say defense wins championships. Will that work in this year’s election?

I have my doubts. For one, pitching themselves and Obama as a suitable status quo against a radical Republican Party led by Romney and Paul Ryan would seem to hinge on the word “suitable.” And voters have their own doubts about that: In a new poll for The Hill, voters said the nation is worse, not better, off than four years ago by a 54-32 margin, and that Obama does not deserve re-election by a 54-40 count.

Even the Obama camp is having a hard time answering the “better off” question, made famous in 1980 when Ronald Reagan posed that question to voters after four years of Jimmy Carter’s presidency. Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley answered in the negative on “Face the Nation” Sunday — though he did gamely try to blame the Republicans — before backtracking on Monday.

Obama himself said yesterday he deserved a grade of “incomplete” for his handling of the economy, the same grade he gave himself last October and in August 2010. Will voters be as forgiving?

After the GOP spent a week being mostly upbeat in Tampa, I think it will be a problem for Obama if he and the Democrats can’t come up with a positive message in Charlotte.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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md

September 4th, 2012
12:10 pm

And ironically, the debt clock is set to hit 16 Trillion to coincide with the dem convention. How fitting for a party that just added a 1/3 of it in the past 3.5 years………..

Kyle Wingfield

September 4th, 2012
12:13 pm

Comments will be going out of moderation for the afternoon, but they may go back if I haven’t been able to sort through all the complaints I received while I was in Tampa.

Centrist

September 4th, 2012
12:25 pm

Conservative bloggers are predicting a Romney win, even in the face of his electoral vote advantage just two months prior to the election. How do they think the majority of swing/battleground states where Obama currently leads in polls will reverse? Or is this just cheer-leading?

Jefferson

September 4th, 2012
12:25 pm

If you blame the gov’t for your problems, you are indeed helpless.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 4th, 2012
12:40 pm

What will we hear from Charlotte?

Lies, distortions, and deception about his pathetic record.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 4th, 2012
12:44 pm

Centrist

You have been listening to the wrong people. I saw Rove and Trippi yesterday, they finally moved Texas and Georgia into the Romney states and CT into Obama’s. They have moved WI and NV into the toss ups with eight others. Rove said if we put NC into Romney’s camp, the electoral college is virtually tied something like 184 to 181,

10 toss up’s. If people are still undecided, after all this politicking and four years of incompetence, they most likely are going to vote against the incumbent. That is what gives us this enthusiasm.

JDW

September 4th, 2012
12:44 pm

@Kyle…”So it’s defense, defense, defense.”

That’s what you do when you are winning and are penned up in your end by defense or in this case outright lies…if the election were held today Obama wins 332 to 206. Could that change…maybe…is it likely…nope.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

As for the lies, did Ryan actually utter a true statement last week? Politifact doesn’t think so…

-Ryan says Obama broke his promise on GM plant…Politifact FALSE

-Ryan says Obama did nothing with debt commission report…Politifact FALSE…plus they note that Ryan cast a key vote against the plan

-Ryan says Obama health reform “funneled out” $716 billion from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.”…Politifact MOSTLY FALSE

-Ryan says Obama “has added more debt than any other president before him”…Politifact HALF TRUE

-Ryan says that when Romney was governor there from 2003-2007, “unemployment went down, household incomes went up,” and the state “saw its credit rating upgraded.”…Politifact HALF TRUE

As for this bit…

“In a new poll for The Hill, voters said the nation is worse, not better, off than four years ago by a 54-32 margin”

I admit this is a bit frustrating because it is SO DEMONSTRABLY FALSE!

Stephanie Cutter started a response…

“Let me just walk you through what life was like four years ago right now,” Ms. Cutter said. “In the six months before the president was elected, we lost 3.5 million jobs, wages had been going down for a decade, auto industry on the brink of failure. Our financial system, this is just about the time you’re seeing banks go under. All over America middle-class families were feeling it.”

I would have also added that our GDP had shrunk at a rate of more than 6% annually.

Now let me contrast for you…over the last twelve months we have sustained GDP growth of around 2%, created 1.8 million jobs, bank failures have shrunk to 38 this year from a high of 157, the US Auto industry is thriving and the housing market seems to have finally turned the corner. Are we better off…hell yes!

Now is it good enough…no! Would we be further along had the Republicans focused on fixing problems rather than “making Obama a one term President”…hell yes!

The Republican response has been to create gridlock, manufacture a debt ceiling crisis, fight to lower taxes for the wealthy even though they are at their lowest level as a % of GDP since WW II, propose to trash Medicare and replace it with vouchers and actually include a gold standard study in their party platform.

So are we better off now than four years ago…hell yes…will we be better off four years from now if the President is reelected…hell yes…should we send the Republicans in Congress home…hell yes!

Businessman

September 4th, 2012
12:44 pm

The person who is behind the poll you cite, The Hill, is Republican operative Scott Rasmussen. He gets a ton of money from the GOP, so he’s pretty much obligated to provide the answers they want to see and publicize.

Kyle, you have one of the toughest jobs in Georgia. Defending the Republican party, in a state where the Republican governor and representatives have Georgia leading the country in bank failures, home defaults, and among the leaders in unemployment rates and poverty, must make you dread your daily writing assignments. At least a lot of the readership isn’t very well informed, thanks to the state being among the last in education.

JDW

September 4th, 2012
12:45 pm

@Rafe…”Lies, distortions, and deception about his pathetic record.”

Catch up man that was last week’s news.

HDB

September 4th, 2012
12:46 pm

The problem is that the REPUBLICANS have lied, obstructed, and obfuscated!!! What we’ll hear from Charlotte is the Obama record…the accomplishments that have occurred WITHOUT Republican support….based on REPUBLICAN ideas (which they don’t want to admit!)…..Anyone wo is HONEST would admit that the chasm this nation was in was deeper than we all expected….but Obama’s policies kept us for falling deeper!! To answer the Republican’s question: “Am I better off than I was four years ago?”…my answer is….DAMN RIGHT , I AM!!

Road Scholar

September 4th, 2012
12:46 pm

“Last week in Tampa, the Republicans made significant progress toward their main objectives: revealing more of the personal side of Mitt Romney, and clearly communicating their pitch to voters in this election.”

Now what firm, detailed position on any subject did he define? Notice the word detailed.

“After the GOP spent a week being mostly upbeat in Tampa,..”

You forgot about all the closed to the press meetings; is that a part of their transparency?

“Obama himself said yesterday he deserved a grade of “incomplete” for his handling of the economy, the same grade he gave himself last October and in August 2010. ”

He’s still waiting on Boehmer’s and McConnell’s jobs proposal! Mr Boehmer, where are the jobs? Mitt says he will create 12 M jobs (but 20M are unemployed according to Repub posters). I guess 8 M are just screwed! Oh, and what were the details of Romney’s jobs program?

“..as a suitable status quo against a radical Republican Party..”

Your words, not mine!

JDW

September 4th, 2012
12:54 pm

@Rafe…”Rove said if we put NC into Romney’s camp, the electoral college is virtually tied something like 184 to 181″

Of course that is a bit counter productive since NC is a dead heat at 48% for each. Though you seem to need some help deciphering it Rove’s map has a decent format. See all those -’s in the toss up states? That’s how much Romney is behind.

In fact if you add up the solid, leaning and leading on Rove’s map Obama would draw 326 EV’s today…again could it change…maybe…is it likely…NOPE.

http://www.rove.com/uploads/0000/0700/Romney-ObamaLATEST9.3.pdf

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

September 4th, 2012
12:55 pm

They won’t speak directly to clear about what they really want, but this list will help you.
1. Tax payer paid abortion anytime, anywhere at any stage of the pregnancy.
2. Tax the hell out the rich ( paying most of it now)
3. open borders and complete amnesty
4. Kill fossil fuel , even without an abundant, affordable replacement
5. Kill right to work states
6. Gut the military about 1/3
7. Finish getting anything ” Christian” out of any public place
8. Total ban on guns.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT. DENY ANY OF IT!

The Angel Moroni

September 4th, 2012
12:56 pm

I can tell you what you won’t see. You won’t see an old man addressing an empty chair blaming Obama for being in Afghanistan (Bush’s war) or saying we don’t need a Harvard lawyer for president (Romney and Obama – both Harvard lawyers). Dems may have their own nuts, but I don’t think they can top Tampa in nuttiness.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

September 4th, 2012
12:56 pm

If they spoke about what they really wanted, they would get about 30% of the vote and win about 8 or 10 states. They speak in code, although tax paid abortion at any stage and Gay marriage is pretty bold for a platform.

Michael H. Smith

September 4th, 2012
12:58 pm

What will we hear from Charlotte?

More fear and smear attacks against the GOP, more excuses made for obumer’s failures and more lies from obumer and his big government socialist democrats.

The Angel Moroni

September 4th, 2012
12:58 pm

Yes, liberals read and the right “comes up” with things. That’s a pretty profound difference.

ByteMe

September 4th, 2012
1:01 pm

Morning, Kyle. Did you have happen to catch Chris Wallace’s program on Sunday? They all looked so sad about the Republican prospects of winning this election cycle. When you lose the FOX cheerleaders, you know you have problems.

Their point was that the Republican problem is that Obama is going to basically remind everyone of what October 2008 looked like and then successfully hang it all on the Republican Party as the logical outcome of their failed policies and philosophy… that Romney wants to re-create all for his personal benefit. It’s a message that resonates with independents and Republicans have done nothing to explain how this is not true.

So while I appreciate Mitt trying to give me permission to vote against my own best interests, thanks anyway, Mitt!

Rush

September 4th, 2012
1:02 pm

What will you hear from Charlotte? 1. Republicans hate women 2. It’s still Bush’s fault 3.We are on a path to recovery LOL…..

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

September 4th, 2012
1:03 pm

Empty chair. Empty suit. One in the same.The headline will read if they move Obama’s speech indoors. They will show the empty stadium with a headline ” No, we didn’t fill this”……

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 4th, 2012
1:04 pm

Truth? For a frikkin change???

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 4th, 2012
1:05 pm

Last Thursday night during the RNC, the Romney campaign spent over $120,000 to sponsor a trend on Twitter. On that same night, Clint Eastwood spoke to an invisible Barack Obama in a chair.
All of these things were supposed to help make Romney more popular–except that they all backfired when Barack Obama tweeted this:

This seat’s taken. OFA.BO/c2gbfi, twitter.com/BarackObama/st…
— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) August 31, 2012

salon.com

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

September 4th, 2012
1:07 pm

Finn, you need to turn off BSNBC every now and then.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 4th, 2012
1:07 pm

This is what we should hear:

The Republican/Conservative ideas boil down to ending the concept of community and shared responsibility. It’s every man for himself.

Your neighbors aren’t your friends – they’re the enemy. Your government is the enemy. Anyone who isn’t the same sex, race, or religion as you is the enemy. For the well off, those less well-off are the enemy. If you are less well-off, your enemies are those who are better off.

Kyle Wingfield

September 4th, 2012
1:08 pm

Well, we can see JDW got his email from the DNC this morning.

Fun Guy

September 4th, 2012
1:10 pm

this is the policy of the dems that are in office now

How to catch wild pigs
There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some Exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a Strange question. He asked, ” Do you know how to catch wild pigs?”
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke.”You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms- just a little at a time.
One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch!
And you can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.
If you see that all of this wonderful government “help” is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends.
If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!

DannyX

September 4th, 2012
1:10 pm

“How do they think the majority of swing/battleground states where Obama currently leads in polls will reverse? Or is this just cheer-leading?”

Centrist nailed this one. Romney needed a good convention bump but didn’t get one. Romney needs a big shift in the swing states which is not yet happening. Romney’s last hope will be the debates. Romney is going to have to spell out his plans which he has been reluctant to do so far, he’ll have to go all in during the debates.

I doubt Obama will get much of a convention bounce but if he does Romney will be in real trouble.

Obama has to say more than “Bush did it.” That same rule also applies to Romney, he has to say more than “Obama didn’t fix it.”

MarkV

September 4th, 2012
1:11 pm

“What will we hear from Charlotte?” That is a silly question, asking to predict what will happen. On the other hand, we know what we heard from Tampa: Lies, distortions, and deception.

MadMax

September 4th, 2012
1:11 pm

15,999,608,890,000 just this afternoon. Seems fitting for it to roll over into the next trillion during Michelle’s speech but it may get there faster -

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 4th, 2012
1:16 pm

JDW is wound up today over Ryan’s “lies”. Did he lie, not really in today’s vernacular, just put GOP spin on the facts just like the Dems do every time they open their mouths.

Obama’s frequent lies.

1) He is very frugal. He bases this on some columnist fudging the numbers and putting most of his spending back on Bush.
2) Romney is a felon for “maybe” not leaving Bain when he told the SEC he did leave.
3) That Romney said he wanted to fire people. (not exactly)
4. That Obamacare is going to bend the cost curve and reduce healthcare costs. (Blatantly false)
5. That he saved General Motors and that they would not exist today, if not for him.
6. That he pulled the troops out of Iraq (yes, right on schedule established by Bush)
7. That he ever tried to work with the GOP on healthcare.
8. That pulling 716 Billion out of Medicare will improve the program and extend its life.
9. That Bain Capital sucked out the profit and bankrupted companies leaving the employees unemployed. He never mentions that many of those companies asked to be rescued, and all of them would have probably closed, if not for Bain infusing them with cash and management resources.

Just a few of many which will repeated ad nauseum this week. I didn’t even get into the broken campaign promises of cutting the deficit in half or closing gitmo, or transparency, blah, blah, blah.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

September 4th, 2012
1:16 pm

MarkV…………….I know what the folks in Charlotte believe. They believe a grown Gay male ought to be able to take 15 non gay 12 years old Boy Scouts in the woods camping. Survey every Dem mother between 20 and 35 and get back to me with results if they find that OK.

Road Scholar

September 4th, 2012
1:17 pm

Kyle: Did” I’m a liberal…” take his meds today…I mean since you know what e-mails JDW gets? They are not working. He’s getting desperate!

nelson

September 4th, 2012
1:18 pm

NEWS FLASH-just in. Bed bugs a growing concern for the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte. It is yet to be determined if they are imported or were already on duty when the democrats arrived.

ByteMe

September 4th, 2012
1:21 pm

I know what the folks in Charlotte believe. They believe a grown Gay male ought to be able to take 15 non gay 12 years old Boy Scouts in the woods camping.

Sounds like your own fears being projected on others.

ByteMe

September 4th, 2012
1:23 pm

Virgil Goode is on the ballot now in Virginia. Put that state in Obama’s column now.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 4th, 2012
1:25 pm

Tomorrow night the Cons get to hear from the next POTUS, Elizabeth Warren

mwuahahahahahahahaha

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 4th, 2012
1:27 pm

What is a Vulture Capitalist?

Glad you asked:

AMY GOODMAN: Governor Perry called Mitt Romney a “vulture capitalist.” Matt, what does that mean?

MATT TAIBBI: Well, [this is] how companies like Bain made their money. And a great example was a company that I went and visited—well, the place where it used to exist—KB Toys, which used to be headquartered out in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. They took over the company with like $18 million down. They financed the other $302 million. So that’s borrowed money that subsequently became the debt of KB Toys. This is an important distinction for people to understand. When they borrowed that money to take over that company, they didn’t have to pay it back, KB had to pay it back. Once they took over the company, they induced it to do a $120 million, quote-unquote, “dividend recapitalization,” which essentially means that the company had to cash in a bunch of shares and pay Bain and its investors a huge sum of money. And in order to finance that, they had to take out over $60 million in bank loans. So, essentially, you take over the company, you force them to make enormous withdrawals against their credit card, essentially, and pay the new owners of the company. And that’s essentially what they did. They took over a floundering company that was sort of in between and faced with threatening changes in the industry, and they forced them to cash out entirely and pay all their money to the new owners.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/matt-taibbi-reveals-how-romney-made-his-fortune-it-aint-pretty-and-he-shouldnt-be

Marcus Backman

September 4th, 2012
1:45 pm

Well, I sure hope they don’t go on supporting gay marriage. I mean, if gays could marry, then how could we straight Republicans go on in our heterosexual marriages? I’m sure many of us would be sooo tempted.

Oh, and I hope they don’t propose to make it harder for us to get assault weapons. I mean, it’s hassle enough to run down to the gun show and pick one up as it is. Why would you want to make it harder? Sure, they had laws against packing a weapon in Dodge City, but those guys weren’t macho like we are.

Finn McCool

September 4th, 2012
1:45 pm

the name highjacker doesn’t come out when Kyle’s around.

No stones?

md

September 4th, 2012
1:48 pm

” You won’t see an old man addressing an empty chair blaming Obama for being in Afghanistan (Bush’s war) or saying we don’t need a Harvard lawyer for president (Romney and Obama – both Harvard lawyers).”

Hmmm……It became Obama’s war on the day he made the choice to stay there and double down. And Romney graduated with an MBA from Harvard……their business school, not law school.

md

September 4th, 2012
1:56 pm

“How do they think the majority of swing/battleground states where Obama currently leads in polls will reverse? Or is this just cheer-leading?”

None of the swing states have Obama over 50%……that is the key. History indicates the undecideds tend to vote against the incumbent…….only time will tell if he stays under 50.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 4th, 2012
1:57 pm

Finn

Not sure who Matt Taibbi is, (seen his name a great deal recently) but his name is usually used as a source for an excuse or accusation cited by someone in the MSM, propping up our great Mistake.

I think KB Toys’ biggest problem was not Bain Capital, but Walmart. It is hard to compete with Walmart, when you are paying that exorbitant mall rent and don’t have the buying power of the giant. Sounds like Bain just buried the corpse.

Is a Vulture Capitalist something like Vulture Governmentalist? You know the big government regime that takes over a bankrupt company, rewrites the bankruptcy laws, fleeces the investors and dealer network, and passes on part to the company to their friends in the union, then brags about how they saved the auto industry. Sounds like the two have a lot in common.

@@

September 4th, 2012
1:59 pm

So it’s defense, defense, defense.

In football, they say defense wins championships. Will that work in this year’s election?

Since Americans are being hit hard on the jobs field, I’d say most will find his defensive approach offensive.

That aside…

Lifelong Democrat ready for fight in Charlotte over school reform

We here at the grass roots face quite a challenge. Groups like StudentsFirst and Democrats for Education Reform (DFER) spend a lot of money. They’ve rented venues, flown in speakers, ordered refreshments. StudentsFirst showed a Hollywood movie financed by a right-wing billionaire that weaves a Hollywood fantasy about school transformation. DFER will no doubt cut deals for a new round of campaign contributions.

We’ll be holding home-printed signs and yellow pencils crafted from pool noodles.

Teachers are gonna “noodle” him to death.

All is not well in the DNC’s end-zone.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 4th, 2012
2:00 pm

Tomorrow night the Cons get to hear from the next POTUS, Elizabeth Warren

Yep, our 3 hour marathoner will take your fake Indian!

MarkV

September 4th, 2012
2:00 pm

I’m a liberal @ 1:16 pm

Is that the best you can come up with? Pity you.

MarkV

September 4th, 2012
2:03 pm

When the Republicans ask, ”Are you better off than four years ago,” the Democrats should answer: “Who are you asking?” The fat cats that support the Romney campaign? Their profits are higher than ever. Are you asking the leaders of the financial institutions, whose skin was saved? Are you asking those, whose retirement income depends on the Dow Jones Index?

Or are you asking the GM workers, the employees of all the GM suppliers? Are you asking the millions who got new jobs thanks to the stimulus?

I know, you want to ask the unemployed. The unemployed who lost their jobs because of the Bush recession.

The best answer the Democrats can and will give is the following: The COUNTRY is better off than four years ago. Instead of contracting the economy is growing. Instead of losing hundreds of thousands of jobs each month, jobs are being created. The war in Iraq is over, the war in Afghanistan is ending. Gaddafi is dead, Obama bin Laden is dead, and so are dozens of high ranking terrorist leaders.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 4th, 2012
2:04 pm

md

I get to correct you for once, usually it is the other way around. Romney did get a MBA and a JD all in two years. Do a Wiki resume on him. Quite impressive his credentials. He never wanted the JD, just trying to please his old man. He passed the bar in MI but never practiced, as opposed to Barry, he still has his law license. Barry and Michelle had to return theirs for cause.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

September 4th, 2012
2:09 pm

MarkV

How about asking those 23 million unemployed folks or those on Soc Sec, who can’t afford gas and grocery prices.

Or, better yet, ask those GM dealers that voted for McCain and are now former GM dealers and their employees.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

September 4th, 2012
2:19 pm

Paul Ryan could lose twice this year — the VP position as well as his House seat:

http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/meet-man-whos-trying-force-paul-ryan-look-real-job

mwuahahahahahahahaha

Centrist

September 4th, 2012
2:20 pm

@ md – I’ll give you that most of the swing states have an Obama lead with less than 50% of the vote, the debates will likely be important to the small undecided vote, and turnout (likely voters) will be factors. But the liberal media will be even more ultra biased for Obama in October when the undecideds and get out the vote campaign are targeted.

I simply don’t see a groundswell happening against a media supported incumbent Democrat happening in enough of those swing states.