RNC 2012: Ryan finishes off a powerful second night
TAMPA — Wednesday night at the Republican National Convention was drifting along unremarkably for a couple of hours. For Georgians, even Attorney General Sam Olens’ speech — the only one this week by someone from our state — suffered from his pairing with his Floridian counterpart, Pam Bondi; the tag-team format just didn’t work all that well. Speeches from Sen. John Thune, the South Dakotan whose name was bandied about (inexplicably, I’d say tonight) as a potential presidential candidate, and Sen. John McCain, the 2008 nominee, were flat.
Then came the wave.
It started with Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and 2008 presidential candidate. To be honest, I wasn’t able to catch much of his speech, but I could tell that the crowd responded to it with much more energy than any of the earlier speakers generated.
Then came Condoleezza Rice. The former secretary of state is highly regarded for her intellect and experience, but I don’t know anyone who expected a set-piece speech from her like the one she gave tonight. She’s obviously known as a foreign-policy expert, but her topics ran the gamut: immigration, education and school choice (which Rice, who grew up in Jim Crow Birmingham, called “the civil rights issue of our day”), and the federal debt. She was powerful on the moral aspects of American leadership in the world and the threat that our finances pose to our ability to exercise it: “There is no country, not even a rising China, that can do more harm to us than we can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work at home.” She was firm in speaking against the “narrative of grievance and entitlement,” which she described as alien to America. She was wholly impressive and utterly convincing as a future politician (though she’s served in government, she’s never run for office).
New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez followed Rice and, having never heard her speak before, I wasn’t sure about the wisdom of putting her between such a powerful speech by Rice and the night’s headliner, Paul Ryan. But Martinez was very impressive. She spoke of her upbringing in a family with its own small security business — and of working, at age 18, as an armed guard for it. She had one of the lines of the night, describing her surprised reaction after she and her husband met with Republicans trying to convince her to switch to their party years ago: “I’ll be damned. We’re Republicans!”
But Ryan, of course, was every bit the closer the GOP wanted this night. He took on President Obama directly and forcefully, as the vice presidential nominee traditionally is expected to do. He spoke of wasted stimulus money that went to companies “like Solyndra, with their gold-plated connections, subsidized jobs and make-believe markets.” He welcomed the confrontation with Democrats over Medicare: “Our nation needs this debate, we [Romney and Ryan] want this debate, and we will win this debate.” He described the Obama campaign as “a ship trying to sail on yesterday’s wind.”
He defined himself as the youthful candidate on the ticket and in the race, playfully comparing Romney’s songs, which he’s heard “on the campaign bus and in many hotel elevators” with his own playlist, which “starts with AC/DC and ends with Zeppelin.” But more importantly, he made a play for young voters with the line of the convention, maybe the campaign, so far: “College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.”
Two nights in, this campaign is taking a shape that it sorely lacked before Ryan joined the ticket and, to some degree, even until this week. It will be interesting to see not only how Romney closes it out Thursday, but how the Democrats react in Charlotte next week.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
12:01 am
While I really liked the substance of Ryan’s speech, I found it rather disjointed in it’s structure. Seemed to bounce back and forth too much for my tastes. The effect would have been far better if each item he attacked Obama on was built upon the last one.
Condi Rice was excellent, and I later found out she didn’t use the prompter at all. All was done using notes.
Agree with you on Susana Martinez’s line. The nice thing about this convention is hearing about all these Republican governors who can balance budgets and reduce deficits without raising taxes. Puts to lie all the liberal arguments that say it can’t be done at the Federal level.
hsn
August 30th, 2012
12:22 am
Yeah, Ryan is a real “fiscal” hawk, indeed:
He voted for TARP…
He voted for the Wall Street bail-out…
He supported and voted for 2 wars executed on a virtual blank check
…. And now he wonders why are deficits and debt are growing? The fox is now claiming he is the perfect guy to guard the hen house.
Republicans can try as hard as they want to repackage this Robme/Ruin ticket, but true Conservatives and Independent American voters clearly see through the tripe. Nonsense !
hsn
August 30th, 2012
12:23 am
Typo… Meant to say: “And now he wonders why OUR deficits and debt are growing?”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
12:29 am
hsn, Ryan explained his vote on TARP. While I disagree with it, there is no doubt that many considered the potential failure of our banking system the lesser of two evils. I would have let them fail. He chose differently.
However, given the choice between Romney / Ryan (and your stupid names for them devalue your post) and Obama, I feel comfortable that they will do a much better job than the current administration could ever hope to do.
There are no perfect choices in politics. Wishing it were so does not make it so.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 30th, 2012
12:33 am
New Orleans drowns and obozo fiddles.
Karma.
bigdawg88
August 30th, 2012
12:37 am
Tiberius, seems she forgot to mention all the federal money they got to balance their budgets because the federal government borrowed the money! And I wonder how many used “fees” instead of taxes to raise money?
getalife
August 30th, 2012
12:57 am
“New Orleans drowns and obozo fiddles.
Karma.”
It took them one day to rescue the ones trapped on their roofs this time and they had their act together.
How long did w take?
HDB
August 30th, 2012
1:09 am
Condi Rice’s speech was nice…but Ryan’s speech was full of lies…but facts never seem to get in the way!! The Janesville GM plant was closed under Bush….Ryan wants to cut $716B from Medicare and voucherize it…making it untenable for anyone!! It’s time for the truth to come out……..
gm
August 30th, 2012
1:09 am
I wonder how much of that hated gov money will go to rebuild New Orleans? Not one of the hypocrites on the right say anything about the money their state took from the government.
Hey hypocrite Paul you forgot to tell the closed minded right winger nut jobs on the right that you requested some of that bad gov money for your state, only a bunch of Anti Amerericans can stand in front of live TV and bash the President of the United States for spending money bailing out other Americans.
HDB
August 30th, 2012
1:13 am
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829
HDB
August 30th, 2012
1:15 am
Question: If Romney is so against bailouts, why did HE need a bailout for Bain?? Doesn’t this reflect upon his business skills??
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829
hsn
August 30th, 2012
1:15 am
Tiberius said: “However, given the choice between Romney / Ryan (and your stupid names for them devalue your post) and Obama, I feel comfortable that they will do a much better job than the current administration could ever hope to do.”
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Wow ! … I hope you didn’t vote for GW Bush twice. You miss those good ole days, don’t ya? Robme / Ruin will be continuing the same idiotic policies that got us where we are.
The Rethugs took over a surplus after Clinton, gave massive amounts of money in tax cuts to top income earners, promoted policies that shipped thousands of jobs to overseas while engaging in two simultaneous wars for 8 years.
After running this great country into the ground for 8 years, you goons magically expect a miraculous bounce-back in less than 4 years amidst a global financial crises while your “nutcases” in the House and Senate keep obstructing the Executive branch in every single legislative effort to help the economy because if things work out for Americans, it will look good on Obama.
You kons are the worst of the worst in America. Democrats worked with Rethugs under both GW Bush and Reagan to each raise the debt ceiling over 15 times. Your lot wouldn’t even work with the Democrats to allow Obama to raise it for just a single time. You remember what McConnell, big fool said was his number one job, don’t you?
Had a Rethug President faced the record levels of filibuster and partisan obstructions that Obama has faced, you goons would be labelling every single Congressional Democrat “Anti-American” or “Unpatriotic.” That is the very reason the Robme / Ruin ticket will lose this November.
Tealiban Party
August 30th, 2012
1:40 am
Can’t believe Paul Ryan brought up the Janesville GM Plant closing. Here is an article from the local NBC News affiliate announcing it’s closing from June 20, 2008.
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/19465899.html
Nice try Ryan and the cons, but this is yet another example of FAILED REPUBLICAN policies.
MikeB
August 30th, 2012
2:10 am
Spot on play by play Kyle!!! Was watching both CNN & Fox. CNN after every speech they showed (with the exception of Sec. Rice) immediatly took the approach of attempting to diminish/discredit the speaker. Fox on the other hand was over the top complimentary…. Thought it was funny to watch all the CNN pundits faces after the speeches (especially Gloria Borger… Her disdain is so evident they avoided keeping the camera on her for too long…..
Hats off to Yahoo News yesterday….. The firing of David Chalian (now the former Washington D.C. Chief Political Correspondent) was done quickly and without hesitation…… Words have meaning. His smug behavior while on camera made me dislike his reports, but what he said yesterday, has no place in either the Democratic or Republican narrative.
Glad to see a liberal news organization holding their employee’s responsible/accountable for their actions…..
MikeB
August 30th, 2012
2:21 am
All you folks referencing the Janesville WI GM Plant…….. Was not Obama on the Campaign trail in the Spring of 2008?
Was not GM already in a world of hurt in 2008?
It sounds to me like Obama made some form of a promise on the 2008 campaign trail, and the plant closed….. The minutia is not worth effort for the smear case you are trying to make….. This campaign is about bigger ideas not further class/race division and governmental paralysis. Ryan recognizes this and did a good jobb illustrating it. He and Romney should have their chance, just as Obama had his…….
Mr_B
August 30th, 2012
5:30 am
It sounds to me like Obama made some form of a promise on the 2008 campaign trail, and the plant closed…
Had Obama been president in 2008, the year the plant closed, maybe Janesville GM would be operating today.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 30th, 2012
5:37 am
Typical Republican Progressive thought progress.
.
Reporter—-”Considering his record, why do you think that Paul Ryan is a conservative?”
Romney/Obama voter—-”Cuz..Cuz….He said he was.”
.
lol
marko
August 30th, 2012
5:56 am
According to the Wisconsin Republican Liberty Caucus, the Wisconsin congressman actually voted with the Bush Administration’s agenda of unprecedented federal expansion 94% of the time, and it may surprise his fiscally conservative fans to know that Paul Ryan’s voting record includes votes for the TARP bailouts, the auto bailouts, the massive Bush Medicare expansion, the unprecedented federal intrusion into public education via No Child Left Behind, the 2008 stimulus package, and the $192B 2009 stimulus package.
It seems that the man that wants to pass himself off as a strict fiscal conservative isn’t really all that conservative when his own party’s in office. He only dons his super hero costume, and becomes Captain Budget Hawk, when the president’s a Democrat.
Li'l Aynie
August 30th, 2012
6:16 am
That Ryan … isn’t he a leading member of the dysfunctional Congress? And now he’s running for something other than cover? Does he think the American electorate is dumb? Guess so!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
6:29 am
hsn: Yeah, Ryan is a real “fiscal” hawk, indeed: He voted for TARP…He voted for the Wall Street bail-out…
————
…which ended up costing LESS than Obozo’s GM bailout, saved the economy from meltdown, and ended the recession in June 2009.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
6:35 am
hsn: After running this great country into the ground for 8 years blah blah
———
Eight years of 4-6% unemployment
Measly $300 billion deficits
AAA credit rating
Fewer people on the dole
Increased tax revenues after lowering tax rates
Looks pretty good in comparison to Obozo’s failed regime.
@@
August 30th, 2012
6:52 am
But Ryan, of course, was every bit the closer the GOP wanted this night. He took on President Obama directly and forcefully, as the vice presidential nominee traditionally is expected to do. He spoke of wasted stimulus money that went to companies “like Solyndra, with their gold-plated connections, subsidized jobs and make-believe markets.”
Ryan’s the guy the administration fears most. Knowing that he was to speak last night, the Obama campaign launched their personal attacks two days in advance.
Dr. Rice is phenomenal!!! Her personal story serves as an inspiration unless you’re a democrat. For them, success will always be beyond reach…never to be attained.
Victims of the establishment. They wallow in their comfort zone.
independent thinker
August 30th, 2012
7:17 am
Condi gave a very nice little speech to the same white folks who turned the fire hoses and bombs on little Black girls in Birmingham. I doubt a single Black person will join the bigots because of her and Artur Davis.At least she did not repeat the welfare/work lie. However for her to talk about national security is a bit much for the person who utterly failed to do their job on 9-11 and then got us in a worse hole in Iraq.
Nice speech by Huckabee until he went off on the anti-abortion tangent without mentioning his true feelings about the Todd Aiken debacle.
Steven
August 30th, 2012
7:19 am
After watching the RNC last night on the Fox Network lastnight, I see the POTUS re-elected in a landslide. The RNC was nothing new of four years ago except a lot of POB*, President Obama Bashing. My Repub friends saw something else from the comments I read on the speeches. I must say though, I was impressed by Dr Rice and the Govenor of New Mexico. The other speakers including Ryan were just Romney talking points.
Ryan reminds me of Lazio who challenged Hilliary Clinton to a New York senators seat. Lazio tried to disrespect her by shouting her down. Guess what…she skunked him in the election. The buyline on Ryan is that he stared down the POTUS in the Congress when they were voting on a budget. Well, I see the POTUS with the same results as Clinton over Lazio on Nov 6th.
Steven
August 30th, 2012
7:28 am
@, @@….. Ryan’s the guy the administration fears most. Knowing that he was to speak last night, the Obama campaign launched their personal attacks two days in advance.
Are you kidding, THEY WANT HIM!!!! They are/can tearing him asunder. AMF, he will not even win his home state. Ryan is at best a Junior Executive! He’s really what they accuse the POTUS of, never having a real job! He’s been in the Congress most of his adult life. So give me a break!
Dr. Rice was impressive but hardly enough to bring needed support for the Romney Ryan ticket.
fair and balanced
August 30th, 2012
7:33 am
Condi did a great job justifying the Dream Act – anybody notice? Ryan sounded great but forgot to mention that he was part of the problem in Congress turning down every job proposal of Obama and instead passing 38 anti-abortion bills. At some point he will have to run on his record. Funny how he condemned the stimulus bill -probably mad he did not get more for his district. AreRepublicans that stupid and gullible?And that 716 billion dollar Mediscare lie is getting really old.
gm
August 30th, 2012
7:42 am
Amazing 5 hour of bashing the President and the gov, yet President Obama is going to New Orleans, Miss, Ark, and going to have to give these states gov funding from the storm, Huckebee, and the rest of the rep gov have no problem taking funds when it benefits them.
Paul , is the biggest hypocrite of them all, he requested gov funding for his state, helped run up the debt in the Bush administration, the right is so narrow minded they will not confront him, wait till next week right lonnies the Dem will show you idiots the real Paul.”””””’
Tundra Dude
August 30th, 2012
7:42 am
RNC 2012: Ryan finishes off a powerful second night
I didn’t watch, but I’d guess he forgot to mention his affection for Big Gubmint. The Ryan family construction firm has been feeding at the Gubmint trough since 1884. First, building gov-subsidized railroads, then rural highways, Chicago airport, when it was primarily used for military transport in WW2,, then on to the Interstate highways.
Mike in St. louis
August 30th, 2012
7:42 am
If you are going to use TARP as a way to slam Ryan, you are uneducated. Learn about TARP before youquote it. TARP was 245 billion dollars used to save Fannie and Freddie. 176 billion of it has been paid back already. And here is a thought, they can actually tell you where that money went! This is all facts even a child can find these facts on Wikki. The latest bailout by President Obama has not been close to being paid back because the lost where large amounts went! Oh but the few places we do know of went to failed companies like Solyndra, an Obama donor. The business model that even your favorite whipping boy Bush rejected because he knew China could build and was building solar panels at a fraction of what we could. Wow a smart business decision, but wait business is evil.
jconservative
August 30th, 2012
7:48 am
I liked the Rice speech sans teleprompter. She believed what she said. Her salute to American Exceptionalism, when she spoke about the little girl from Birmingham who could not get a hamburger at the Woolworth’s counter because of her race but ended up as Secretary of State, echo’s the election as President of the United States a person of the same race.
American Exceptionalism.
Tundra Dude
August 30th, 2012
7:49 am
Condi Rice was excellent, blah, blah…
Imo, there’s nothing excellent about being a run-of-the-mill pom-pom waver for the status quo. (that’s a prerequisite to being hired at Stanford, just ask Thomas Sowell)
Mr_B
August 30th, 2012
8:00 am
“when she spoke about the little girl from Birmingham who could not get a hamburger at the Woolworth’s counter because of her race”
but fails to mention that without Federal level legislation that lack of access would still be considered a “states rights issue” best left to the local authorities.
Bob Loblaw
August 30th, 2012
8:06 am
Huckabee was simply not himself last night. The line about not caring about what church he went to isn’t how he really feels. You could see it on his face.
Condi was solid and talked substance.
Ryan’s mentioning of the budget talks he voted against blew me away. Now that I learn that the tear-jerking story about the auto plant closing was wrong on its timing makes me feel like I feel about his running mate. Hard to believe him and, in him.
@@
August 30th, 2012
8:34 am
He’s really what they accuse the POTUS of, never having a real job! He’s been in the Congress most of his adult life. So give me a break!
Yeah…I guess working at McDonald’s, selling products for Oscar Meyer and construction work was beneath Obama.
Instead, he (Obama) went on to proclaim his job as editor for some organization that supported U.S. companies operating overseas. Problem is, according to his co-workers, Obama was nothing more than a proofreader but EDITOR sounded so much better.
schnirt
antinewt
August 30th, 2012
8:35 am
Heehee, AC/DC and Zeplin are what young people are listening to? Yeah, Ryan’s really gonna help with the youth vote.
BuckeyeInGa
August 30th, 2012
8:39 am
I can’t believe Ryan brought up the Janesville GM plant either. That was portion was debunked pretty quickly. I like the fact that Ryan appealed to the younger generation.
antinewt
August 30th, 2012
8:41 am
If Kyle gets this breathless over standard Republican pablum, he might pee in his pants when Mitt takes the stage tonight. It’s theatre, Kyle, bad theatre, but try not to act like a kid at their first Broadway show.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
8:46 am
So, Ryan blames Obama for a GM plant closing? A plant that closed before he even became President?
That’s a reach.
HDB
August 30th, 2012
8:50 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 30th, 2012
6:35 am
Ryan’s been shown to have lied about just about everything…..
1) Ryan also put responsibility for Standard & Poor’s downgrade of U.S. government debt at Obama’s doorstep. But he didn’t mention that S&P itself, in explaining its downgrade, referred to the debt ceiling standoff. That process of raising the debt ceiling was only politicized in the last Congress, driven by House Republicans, led in the charge by Paul Ryan. The credit rater also said it worried that Republicans would never agree to tax increases. “We have changed our assumption on [revenue] because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues,” S&P wrote.
2) Obama “funneled” $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare. But he didn’t mention that his own budget plan relies on those very same savings.
3) Ryan then noted that Obama, while campaigning for president, promised that a GM plant in Wisconsin would not shut down. Except Obama didn’t promise that…and the plant closed in December 2008 — while George W. Bush was president.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/paul-ryan-address_n_1841819.html?ref=topbar
Aren’t you tired of the lies???
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
8:52 am
Ryan’s many lies from last night:
He attacked Obama for failing to keep open a Janesville GM plant that closed under Bush in 2008. He hit him for a credit-rating downgrade that S&P essentially blamed on GOP intransigence. He claimed that all taxpayers got from the 2009 stimulus was “more debt,” when most got a tax cut (and the stimulus is known to have saved between 1.4 and 3.3 million jobs). He derided the president for walking away from the Simpson Bowles commission deficit-cutting recommendations when Ryan himself, a commission member, voted against those recommendations.
salon.com
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
8:55 am
About the Janesville plant, you folks need to go back and read what Ryan said which was this:
“Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.” That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.”
Obama was telling them that under his watch that plant would be there for another 100 years. At the time, Janesville was manufacturing SUVs and that production stopped in 2008. The plant was not officially closed until 2009. Meanwhile, the folks at Fisker Auto were getting ready to receive stimulus money for their electric vehicle, which, by the way, has been a WHOPPING success. Right.
The timeline from the Milwaukee Journal is here:
http://www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
8:59 am
Mitt needs to shake that etch a sketch tonight.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
9:02 am
“Does he think the American electorate is dumb?”
Well, you did elect Obama, so yeah, the American electorate IS dumb.
MikeB
August 30th, 2012
9:03 am
So.. I’m not going to go all crazy about a GM Plant closing… President Obama made a campaign promise out on the trail.. Last I checked it was the Dems who controled Congress the last 2 years of Bush’s 2nd term, but I digress…….
Here are some real issues that have done real damage…….
1.President Obama’s administration leaked sensitive data for political gain…..
2. The Obama administration took a “green energy” agenda and used it as cover to repay campaign debts(Solyndra anyone?) $500 million is some repayment! Recently Exelon came to light…. How much has this repayment cost tax payers? Again???
3. AG Holder lies and Obama swears to it with “Executive Privilege” on F&F
(Yes Bush started the program, but he ran it with the full cooperation and knowledge of our neighbor Mexico….. Thats being a respectful neighbor/partner BTW…. Bush also shut it down when it was underperforming). What did Obama/Holder do? Started the program back up (very Solyndra like huh)and kept Mexico in the dark…..
These are just 3 very diverse examples of the failed/corrupted leadership we have presently…. There are more and those situations are considerably more important to the issues of trust than Ryan’s recall of a timeline. Our country has lost our way under Obama. We are both the engine & rudder on the ship of the world. If we don’t run (and make no mistake, we are sputtering at best presently) we will wind up “being run”…. Nobody wants that. Romney/Ryan 2012…
BuckeyeInGa
August 30th, 2012
9:11 am
What did Holder lie about? sources?
gm
August 30th, 2012
9:19 am
jconservative
Rice is another pawn in the rep plateform, this women had the nerve to use civil rights history in front of people who families caused the hurt and pain of thousands of blacks.
Rice has no more connection to the black community then Paul Ryan, every 4 years we have to watch the rep party bring some black person and parade them around on stage so they can say we have one who has made it dispite the abuse and terror we have inflicted on them.
For Rice to sit there and support a party that will destroy medicare, education, poor programs for children, erase any credibility that she has with cilvil right history.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
9:23 am
Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan may carry himself with an air of earnestness, but at his heart, he’s a liar. What other determination could one make after Ryan’s compendium of distortions and outright untruths, delivered Wednesday night to the Republican National Convention?
Whether falsely claiming that President Barack Obama was looting funding from Medicare to pay for health-care reform, blaming the president for the nation’s credit-rating downgrade that came about as an unprecedented refusal by congressional leaders to raise the debt ceiling (a maneuver Ryan helped to lead), or accusing his opponent of refusing to to implement the recommendations of a bipartisan commission on the debt whose final report Ryan voted against, the Wisconsin congressman proved himself willing to hoodwink the American people with a smile on his boyish face.
alternet.org
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
9:26 am
gm, I’m sorry, but you’re unhinged.
“this women had the nerve to use civil rights history in front of people who families caused the hurt and pain of thousands of blacks. ”
Really? What hurt and pain are you writing about?
“so they can say we have one who has made it dispite the abuse and terror we have inflicted on them. ”
Really? What abuse and terror are you writing about?
“For Rice to sit there and support a party that will destroy medicare, education, poor programs for children,”
Really? Please detail the specific current plans you have seen from Republicans which will do the above.
td
August 30th, 2012
9:29 am
antinewt
August 30th, 2012
8:35 am
Heehee, AC/DC and Zeplin are what young people are listening to? Yeah, Ryan’s really gonna help with the youth vote.
Making such a statement shows how little you understand about politics. This line was intended for the 35 to 49 year old white suburban women and making a connection with them. The young peoples line was the one about looking at the faded Obama picture on their childhood wall after they finished college and can not find a job now.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
9:30 am
What does it say about a poster who never has his own opinions, but merely cuts and pastes those of others?
Myrmidon.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
9:30 am
from Fox News:
Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words
2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252IGHseB
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
9:36 am
Talk about deceiving, Finn. You make it sound as if “Fox News” is blasting Paul Ryan, when in fact, the “opinion” piece is written by Sally Kohn and POSTED on the Fox News site. From Wiki:
“Sally Kohn is a political commentator, community organizer, and founder and chief education officer of the Movement Vision Lab, a grassroots think tank.”
Pathetic, Finn. Simply pathetic.
gm
August 30th, 2012
9:40 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
I guess giving vochers to people who have paid in to Medicare all their lives is a good thing? I guess cutting education programs by 30% has no effect on blacks who can not afford to go college and use pell grants is no big deal, cutting food stamps for needy Americans black and white is no big deal?
Please come out of denial about the history of whites southerners attacks on blacks””’
Rice and Davis have not been in the black communtity since both of them used the same system cilvil right leaders died for and now they support a party that wants to destroy it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
9:40 am
Tiberius, can’t handle the truth, can you?
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
9:41 am
Finn – you point to the debt ceiling issue. I guess in your world, if your credit card is maxed out you call the bank to get an increase so you can KEEP ON SPENDING.
Pay as you go….right Finn?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
9:46 am
What does it say about a poster who never has his own opinions, but merely cuts and pastes those of others?
translation: whhhiiiiinnnnneeeee
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
9:49 am
Verbal, household finances and the finances of a nation have nothing in common.
zero
nada
zip
I would explain it but why waste my time with you Cons?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
9:52 am
This is too easy . . .
“I guess giving vochers to people who have paid in to Medicare all their lives is a good thing?”
You failed the test, gm. Medicare reform doesn’t change the program for ANYBODY 55 years or older today. IF ever put into place, seniors will have a choice: continue with the current Medicare system, or get a voucher and shop for a better deal. So, yes, it is a good thing because Medicare doesn’t change for ANYBODY if they don’t want it to. Keep current, willya?
“I guess cutting education programs by 30% has no effect on blacks who can not afford to go college”
What education programs, gm? Why is Washington, D.C. funding education in the first place? Isn’t education a LOCAL issue? I thought you libs were all about helping the students, not the bureaucrats?
“and use pell grants is no big deal,”
It’s not.
” cutting food stamps for needy Americans black and white is no big deal? ”
Let’s see . . . Which administration is BEGGING people to use food stamps? Do you think that maybe a program that has to beg people to use it needs a bit of cutting?
@@
August 30th, 2012
9:52 am
Rice and Davis have not been in the black communtity since both of them used the same system cilvil [sic] right leaders died for and now they support a party that wants to destroy it.
It’s not merely the existence of civil rights laws that make a difference in one’s life, it’s what you do with ‘em.
As a pillow, they’re pretty useless. As a pillar on which to build, they’re of value.
ragnar danneskjold
August 30th, 2012
9:52 am
While I probably would not have watched anyway – I already know everything they were saying – I was unable, due to interstate travel over a family health matter. However, the apolitical Mrs. jbmlaw watched last night, and on my arrival back home advised me that she is really impressed with Paul Ryan. Think that seals the election.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
9:53 am
“Tiberius, can’t handle the truth, can you?”
Actually, I can, Finn.
It’s just that I’m still waiting to hear any from YOU.
Lynnie Gal
August 30th, 2012
9:53 am
Condi Rice is the only class act at the RNC convention. Here’s analysis of Lyin’s speech last night, ala Fox News–It’s shocking. I didn’t think I’d live to see the day when someone at Fox told the truth!
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
Thanks, Granny, for pointing me to this article!
BuckeyeInGa
August 30th, 2012
9:56 am
@Verbal Kint 8:55
The plant was closed for all intents and purpose in 2008
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/36026504.html
MikeB
August 30th, 2012
10:01 am
@ Buckeye…. Knowledge of Fast n Furious and the specific operational activities before Congress.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:03 am
But . . . but . . . Fox News is soooooo biased!
gm
August 30th, 2012
10:07 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
Out of touch as usually, so if I am 40 -55 and 2.9% of my wages have come out of my check for the last 25 years, its ok to give me a $1900 vocher and my bill is 14k when I reach 65, and you people are ok with that?
Why is Washington, D.C. funding education in the first place? Isn’t education:
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his statement shows why America is at the bottom compared to the world in education, funny, Pell grants were good enough for Paul Ryan along with the SSI that funded his education (hypocrite).
Let see what President who the right refuse to call his name at the convention because he destroyed the enconomy cause millions to be on fodd stamp?
I mean have you ever seen a convention who had a President for 8 years and no one will call his name?
claytondawg
August 30th, 2012
10:08 am
I can’t intelligently respond here since I did not view the speeches last night. However, Ms. Rice has and will be a terrific force for the Republican Party. She has intelligence and class where not many people can attain (men or women).
MikeB
August 30th, 2012
10:10 am
BTW.. Wonder if all these Zealous “Fact Checkers” will be working as hard next week? Wonder if the liberal mainstream media will cut/parse/talk over and choose with the selectivity vs. letting Americans see all the speakers without their snide comments and dissaproving/disgusted looks….. Thought these pundits were supposed to be pro’s???
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
10:11 am
During a normal August, downtown Tampa is a bit sleepy…..But with the convention in town, the city looks somewhat like it’s under siege. Helicopters fly almost constantly overhead and packs of police cruise by on bicycles. Fast boats whiz by the region’s three bridges, looking for unseen threats. Tall chain-link fences shield the pretty parks along the Hillsborough River from view. The main library is closed.
Wonder what these Republicans are all afraid of? Bin Laden is dead. Why are they all hiding under the bed? Afraid of Americans?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
10:14 am
Wonder if all these Zealous “Fact Checkers” will be working as hard next week?
Shouldn’t need to. Democrats have much less of a NEED to lie to their constituents.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:15 am
gm, you’ve entered the delusional stage, son.
“so if I am 40 -55 and 2.9% of my wages have come out of my check for the last 25 years, its ok to give me a $1900 vocher and my bill is 14k when I reach 65, and you people are ok with that?”
What part of, “you’ll have a CHOICE to take Medicare as it is” do you NOT understand? Sheesh!
And are you REALLY going to attack Paul Ryan for using SSI benefits when his father died before Ryan was an adult? Really? Especially since he nor Romney have any plans to “destroy” that program? Why is it that you libs can’t understand that certain “entitlement” programs like SS and Medicare are PAID FOR BY THE RECIPIENTS? Do you really believe that just because you’re a conservative, that suddenly you have no right to that which you paid for? Are you really as stupid as that?
That was a rhetorical question, btw. It has already been answered – loud and clear.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:17 am
“Wonder if all these Zealous “Fact Checkers” will be working as hard next week?”
No need. Their lies have been exposed for the past 4 years already. Seems a bit redundant to plow over the same fertile ground.
gm
August 30th, 2012
10:20 am
Rice during the whole speech never mention her boss GW Bush, Ryan never mention Bush, if the rep party was so great why has no one mention his name? oh I forgot 3500 dead 911, 4500 American troops died in Iraq, caused the worst economy meltdown in American history.
Watch next week how many Dem call Clinton name and Obama will appear with Clinton, will Mitt ever appear with Bush hm, hm ?
tiredofIT
August 30th, 2012
10:21 am
Paul Ryan showed that he will tell lie after lie in service to Mitt and the GOP. The indoctrination of the republican party members, appears to be a success.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:26 am
I’ll figure Bush’s name will be used in speeches more next week than Clinton’s will be.
After all, there is only one political party still living in the past.
@@
August 30th, 2012
10:29 am
Wonder what these Republicans are all afraid of? Bin Laden is dead.
Well yeah, but there are still those that share Bin Laden’s concerns. OWS? Radical environmentalists? Anti-capitalists?
schnirt
In the message broadcast on Friday, Mr. bin Laden veered away from his traditional vows to inflict death and destruction on the United States, and instead discussed climate change, globalization and monetary policy in a message that he said was directed to “the whole world.”
He called for a worldwide boycott of American goods and the dollar. He faulted the United States for failing to sign the Kyoto Protocol, which sought to curb global warming by restricting greenhouse gas emissions. And he offered a word of praise for Noam Chomsky, the American linguist and liberal political activist.–NYTimes
In the Middle
August 30th, 2012
10:36 am
Okay, Lets take this piece by piece. In February 2008, then Senator Obama said the following at a campaign stop:
“This can be America’s future. I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your Governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made – how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. ”
The bad news he was referring to was a report that showed GM had a tremendous 4th qtr loss. Two months later, the following happened:
“In April 2008, GM announced that the plant would cut back full-time production to a single shift. Combined with an ongoing employee buy-out program, layoffs totaled around 750 jobs in July 2008.[5]
During GM’s 2008 annual shareholder meeting on June 3, 2008, CEO Rick Wagoner announced that the Janesville assembly plant would close by 2010, along with three other GM factories, and could close sooner if the market dictated.[6] The cutbacks announced, along with other changes, were expected to save the North American division $1 billion per year starting in 2010.[7]. GM extended its annual summer shutdown an additional two weeks and planned another ten weeks of shutdown for the remainder of 2008 because of excess inventories of SUVs made at the plant.”
We are still in 2008 and the election has yet to take place. Next:
“In October 2008, GM announced Janesville Assembly would be largely idled December 23, 2008 when production of SUVs would end”
GM by this time had laid off all but some 50 plus employees who remained to complete the final work orders that were in place. That was to finish up a shipment of ISUZU vehicles. These vehicles were completed and shipped:
“Assembly work continued at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the Janesville/Isuzu light truck contract and then an additional 40 to 50 “skilled trade employees” worked to decommission the plant.[11″
Here is the problem with what Paul Ryan said. Prior to last nights speech, he was telling crowds on the campaign circuit that the president “promised” to keep the plant open and that he broke his promise. Obviously, someone got to him and said, that’s not at all true. But they showed him how to manipulate his words to insinuate what he had already said about the promise. So last night, he fashioned a storyline to still fit the “he broke his promise” narrative. There are deliberate lies, then their are lies of omission. This was an omission lie!
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
10:36 am
I’ll figure Bush’s name will be used in speeches more next week than Clinton’s will be.
Your dang right.
Some of you have short memories but we dont.
We aren’t going back to Bush 2.0 aka Cheesy Grits aka Mitt Romney.
No way !!!!
We are just starting to recover from that disaster.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
10:38 am
People were pretty fired up about Sarah Palin too.
How did that work out ?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:42 am
Intelligent people (which is why I leave you out of this statement, Cheesy) know that Romney isn’t Bush 2.0.
Some people learn from their mistakes. The current GOP leadership in Romney / Ryan (and others) have shown that they have.
Obama? Still touting more of the same programs that failed miserably 4 years ago.
Some people haven’t learned from their mistakes. We call them – liberals.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
10:42 am
The radical leftist environmental agenda has managed to insinuate itself, even here. The enclosed walkway connecting the two main sites of the Republican National Convention is lit by hundreds of energy-efficient red, white and blue compact fluorescent light bulbs, which are destroying our freedom, according to Republicans. GOP lawmakers rallied around a bill that opposing “the little, squiggly, pig-tailed” bulbs, as sponsor Rep. Joe Barton called them (Barton is best know for apologizing to BP during the oil spill). New government regulations encourage the sale of the bulbs, which conservatives see as a radical environmentalist power grab.
salon.com
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:45 am
“People were pretty fired up about Sarah Palin too.
How did that work out ?”
Let’s see . . . Great fundraiser. Energizes the base. We’ll see how her coattails work when some of these candidates she got chosen in the primaries do in the general.
I think she’s done OK.
Jefferson
August 30th, 2012
10:45 am
His pants are truly on fire.
ragnar danneskjold
August 30th, 2012
10:47 am
Hope you all saw Mallard Fillmore today – maybe the only political cartoon this season that will amuse both conservatives and leftists.
David R. Boag, DDS
August 30th, 2012
10:48 am
Indy @ 7:17
“Condi gave a very nice little speech to the same white folks who turned the fire hoses and bombs on little Black girls in Birmingham. I doubt a single Black person will join the bigots because of her and Artur Davis.At least she did not repeat the welfare/work lie. However for her to talk about national security is a bit much for the person who utterly failed to do their job on 9-11 and then got us in a worse hole in Iraq.”
Clarification please: When you use the word “bigots,” are you suggesting that Ms. Rice, who shares the ideas and values of the people of her party, should be chastised for identifying herself with those who share her views? If she is able to get beyond the mistakes that some–and let’s be honest here, not MANY or MOST–made during the years you alluded to, isn’t that a challenge for others as an example to follow? Or are those mistakes unforgivable despite changes in behavior and the FACT that most of the people at that convention never have and never will participate in those kinds of behaviors?
Instead of deriding her, you should be setting her up an an example of how to conduct oneself when common ideas are shared and behavior changes for the better as a result of those shared ideas.
gm
August 30th, 2012
10:49 am
Calm down John McCain, one day you will get a chance to go to war with other people kids, what a war hawk.
Paul Ryan please come clean and tell these buffet government people who like to pick and choice what part of the gov thats ok, how about the money you requested for your state?
Thank you Obama for spending money on Americans when will the right look at the America people who jobs were saved such as firemen, teacher, police and say we should have let you starve and unemployed, yet these people parade around saying what a great American they are, ha , ha, what a bunch of selfish idiots.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:54 am
gm, why should th American people be on the hook for debt that keeps teachers, firefighters and police on the streets of individual communities?
Please tell me why NY can’t pay for however many teachers they need. Please tell me why my tax dollars from Georgia should pay for firefighters in Idaho. Why can’t that city or town in California pay for their own police protection?
Make the case why communities shouldn’t be responsible for their own teachers, firefighters and police.
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
10:54 am
Finn – the copy/paste maestro of liberal blogs!
It’s like a mouse doing an OP-Ed on a cat.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:57 am
“Calm down John McCain, one day you will get a chance to go to war with other people kids, what a war hawk.”
Really, gm? Are you really that stupid, or are you just insensitive to the FACT that John McCain served his nation by going to war and was tortured in that service?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
10:58 am
“It’s like a mouse doing an OP-Ed on a cat.”
The line of the day, Verbal Knit!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
11:01 am
Paul Ryan: The definitive fact check
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/paul_ryan_the_definitive_fact_check/
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:02 am
Finn McCool: The definitive mindless liberal.
(Redundant, I know)
gm
August 30th, 2012
11:03 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
John McCain served his nation by going to war : So that gives him the right to put thousands of young men lives in danager?
If we listen to McCain we would have been in at least 5 wars by now, what are you smoking?
Rice has the nerve to stand there take shots at the President about foreign policies ha, ha, after her GW Bush have 4500 American soldiers blood on there hands, only the right can sit there in denial””””
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
11:05 am
The John McCain who graduated at the back of his class? The Johnny Boy who crashed 5 planes in Vietnam? The Johnny who, upon returning home, dumped his wife for the chick with the bankroll?
“Hey, baby. You waited for me for how many years? Uh…well….guess what….”
EJ Moosa
August 30th, 2012
11:06 am
In the end it will be about the economy. And the economy is in a coma.
We have the lowest level of home ownership in 50 years, the highest levels of unemployment and underemployment, the highest levels of college graduates not finding jobs.
By November, unemployment will be once again approaching 9%.
People voted for a feel good President. We do that every few generations. And it never does really work out.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:09 am
“John McCain served his nation by going to war : So that gives him the right to put thousands of young men lives in danager?”
Actually, as a U.S. Senator, he has not only earned that right through election, but his service and knowledge compels him to advocate military action when he feels it is necessary. I happen to disagree with his views, but he has more than a right to say them – he has an obligation.
I smoke nothing. I drink little. I am perpetually high on life itself.
gm
August 30th, 2012
11:11 am
This just In, the rep are flying in the Taco bell dog, and sit him in the front to show more diverse, he would make 15 minorities out of 5,0000.
Please right wing out of touch people watch the convention next week and you will see what America really looks like, we dont have to fly in latinos from different countries, blacks who are paid my Mitt to show he has black friends””””’
td
August 30th, 2012
11:11 am
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
11:01 am
Salon a “fact checker”? Thanks for the laugh. I needed one this morning.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:11 am
And just how have YOU served this nation through military service, Finn?
tiredofIT
August 30th, 2012
11:12 am
“People voted for a feel good President” — I’ll take that over a full time flip-floper and liar any day.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:13 am
“Please right wing out of touch people watch the convention next week and you will see what America really looks like”
A bunch of whiny, unhappy people living off the government dole . . .?
JamVet
August 30th, 2012
11:14 am
The profligate spender Ryan is the poster boy for the Party of No Personal Responsibility.
Paul Ryan is not the solution to our problems. Paul Ryan is the problem. ~Ronnie “It Ain’t Ever my Fault” Reagan
@@
August 30th, 2012
11:15 am
Finn:
Have you seen the guidelines on how to dispose of those squiggly bulgs? Do you honestly think people are taking care to dispose of them properly? I don’t.
I can just see it now…the impending health scare.
SOIL AND WATER CONTAMINATED BY MERCURY IN CFLs!!!!!!
@@
August 30th, 2012
11:16 am
Oops!
bulbs
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:17 am
So, tiredofIT would rather vote for an unsuccessful community organizer whose only achievement in life is to get himself elected to successively higher offices, rather than someone who has successfully turned around businesses, saved a Winter Olympics, successfully served as a Republican governor in a heavily Democrat state, and has succeeded in virtually everything he has touched in life.
This is why the term “mindless liberal” is truly redundant.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
11:17 am
I smoke nothing. I drink little.
but I pop pills like they are going outta style!
EJ Moosa
August 30th, 2012
11:18 am
“People voted for a feel good President” — I’ll take that over a full time flip-floper and liar any day.”
Maybe you would….but most people are not feeling good enough about their futures to make the same mistake twice.
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
11:18 am
Over/Under on Bush being blamed next week in Charlotte? I’ll say 1,000 times.
Obama said himself if he could not fix the economy in his first term, then it would be his last.
Well, guess what?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
11:22 am
And just how have YOU served this nation through military service, Finn?
Had I been of age during a war with a draft, I would have gladly served.
…unlike Mitt, Cheney….there’s a long list here…Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich
Junior Samples
August 30th, 2012
11:22 am
“was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.”
-Sally Kohn, Fox News
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
11:23 am
what this election will come down to is that people just don’t like Mitt. Why take one of the people (bankers) who got us in this mess and make them the leader?
How Bat$&it crazy do we look?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
11:26 am
Over/Under on Bush being blamed next week in Charlotte? I’ll say 1,000 times.
Maybe more. Alot more.
People have short memories but we aren’t going back to the Bush policies.
That exactly what Romney will do.
Jefferson
August 30th, 2012
11:32 am
When/If the GOP loses, expect them to kick in the auto budget cuts in spite.
If they win, the blame game goes 180.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
11:34 am
The profligate spender Ryan is the poster boy for the Party of No Personal Responsibility.
This is what the Republicans do.
And their supporters are dumb enough to fall for it every time.
They will talk and talk about the deficit. Out of control spending.
Then when they get into office they will spend like crazy. Within a year they will be dropping bombs on somebody and that gets expensive too.
But the war will give them an out with their hillbilly base. They will wrap themselves in the flag.
All of a sudden deficits wont matter.
yuzeyurbrane
August 30th, 2012
11:37 am
So far, I am not awe struck by either the message or the messengers. Bring it on.
Joe The Plumber Too
August 30th, 2012
11:44 am
gm@ 9:19am wrote: “Rice has no more connection to the black community then Paul Ryan, every 4 years we have to watch the rep party bring some black person and parade them around on stage so they can say we have one who has made it dispite the abuse and terror we have inflicted on them.”
For some reason gm and gotnolife and little debbie seem to think they speak for the black communities, when in reality they are just wannabe racebaiters. Well, the black communities they live in must be a helluva lot different than the one I live in.Maybe in theirs, the checks arrive on the first, ebt cards are charged up and raises in assistance are given with every new baby. It is understandable that they want this fool currently residing in the White House to be re-elected. In my community, people like Condi Rice, Allen West, Herman Cain and even Barry Obama are respected because they rose above the expectations of simple minded Blacks and bigots of all colors and made someone of themselves. Then again, in my community, people get up and go to work, pay their bills and don’t rely on handouts to get by, their votes are not purchased by promises of being taken care of. That is how Blacks are still controlled by the politicians. People like jesse jackson, al sharpton, cynthia mckinney are not respected by the people in my community because they made their names and riches on the shoulders of those they claimed to be fighting for. Racebaiters know that they have to keep the color of a persons skin, front and center, otherwise they might have to get a real job and be responsible for themselves.
EJ Moosa
August 30th, 2012
11:44 am
“what this election will come down to is that people just don’t like Mitt.”
Dream on. People are not going to vote for a weaker economic outcome just because they dislike someone.
Voting for someone that they liked has not been good for them economically. Liking someone does not get you a job or put food on the table.
@@
August 30th, 2012
11:45 am
Cheesy:
Did you witness the tepid response to McCain’s call for intervention in cases where brutal dictators rule?
’twas a small smattering of applause. What liberals like to call a quiet golf clap.
JamVet
August 30th, 2012
11:45 am
If by “fix the economy”, BHO meant making sure it didn’t do the George “this sucker may go down” Bush then yes, I suppose one could say that he was successful in stemming the hemorrhaging from that Bush orchestrated meltdown.
Did he do enough to reign in the banksters and other Wall Street/corporate criminals?
Of course not!
He did EXACTLY what you soft on crime Republicans wanted. He preferred to “look forward”. Any leader with moral courage would have empaneled grand juries to investigate the massive amount of criminal activity that damn near sent this republic over the cliff.
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to trial and bid defiance to the laws of our country. ~Thomas Jefferson
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
11:47 am
Dream on. People are not going to vote for a weaker economic outcome just because they dislike someone.
No they wont. But Romney is the weaker economic outcome.
He wants to go right back to what got us in the mess. W’s’ policies.
People wont vote for that no.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
11:48 am
People are not going to vote for a weaker economic
Well, since America is better off now than it was the last time a Con handed over the keys, I’d say that won’t really play into it.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
11:48 am
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/14/us-usa-campaign-economy-bush-idUSBRE85D0XI20120614
Pretty telling that after 4 years many more Americans blame Bush for the economic mess than Obama.
And thats why Obama will win easily.
JamVet
August 30th, 2012
11:49 am
Joe, excellent job! You sir a re a true soldier in the army of the Lily White Party!
And you wonder why virtually all of the minorities in this country – including my Hebrew tribe – do NOT trust you Republicans at all?
Our BS detectors are highly sensitive and accurate…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:50 am
“Had I been of age during a war with a draft, I would have gladly served.”
Some people serve without being forced to, Finn.
Thanks for thinking of yourself and not your country.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:51 am
And btw, Romney did enter the draft. Just didn’t get picked.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
11:51 am
Did you witness the tepid response to McCain’s call for intervention in cases where brutal dictators rule?
Too bad they dont make policy.
The chickenhawks in the back room do.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
11:53 am
And btw, Romney did enter the draft. Just didn’t get picked.
Ummm he got 4 deferments.
Mitt Romney Got 4 Draft Deferments During Vietnam War
Mitt Romney was caught in a decades-long lie about his active draft avoidance during the Vietnam War.
Selective Service records show that Mitt Romney had four draft deferments (between academic deferments and his work with the Mormon church). That’s one less deferment than Dick Cheney got.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:54 am
The LAST thing a traitor to the concept of American individualism and freedom should be doing is quoting Thomas Jefferson.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
11:56 am
They included college deferments and a 31-month stretch as a “minister of religion” in France, a classification for Mormon missionaries that the church at the time feared was being overused.
He only stopped with the deferments when the war was winding down and he knew it was safe.
Riding down the road
August 30th, 2012
11:56 am
How does one enter the draft?
Does that mean after his two deferments he decided to lets everything take its course and he just so happened to not be selected?
I am not knocking him because he could have been selected and many on both sides of the aisle opted to use influence to evade going to Vietnam. But let’s be honest and forthright here, if the man wanted to join one of the branches of the military no one was stopping him.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
11:56 am
Cheesy, is English your first language?
Because I never stated Romney didn’t get deferments.
I said he registered with the draft. Which he did. Following the deferments.
Pay attention to the little nuances of the English language every now and again, willya?
Joe The Plumber Too
August 30th, 2012
11:58 am
jammy, please grow up. It always comes down to you trolls pulling out the race crap. Because I tell the truth of my community, I am of “the lily white party”. That would come as a complete shock to everyone from my mother, wife, children, neighbors and employees. While I may not be your version of black enough, I can assure you little man, I am a dark mocha. I pray for minds as weak as yours little fellow that have no recourse but to use code words like lily white, uncle tom among others because people are more complicated than tiny brains such as your can understand.
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
12:00 pm
“Well, since America is better off now than it was the last time a Con handed over the keys, I’d say that won’t really play into it.”
This is an astounding statement. Quickly, what was the unemployment rate when Obama took office? What was Obama’s PROMISE on the unemployment rate if the stimulus package was passed?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
12:00 pm
I said he registered with the draft. Which he did. Following the deferments.
Following the 4 deferments. And when the coast was clear.
Ok gotcha.
Riding down the road
August 30th, 2012
12:00 pm
Outside of working to obtain another deferment, what legal options did he have not to register?
Consciousness objector?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
HDB: 3) Ryan then noted that Obama, while campaigning for president, promised that a GM plant in Wisconsin would not shut down. Except Obama didn’t promise that…and the plant closed in December 2008 — while George W. Bush was president.
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False. The plant stopped making cars and switched to making SUVs in December 2008. It was then closed in 2009 during the Obozo regime.
Dang, your blind acceptance of whatever your stoogemasters feed you has made you look really ignorant once again!
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
12:02 pm
Quickly, what was the unemployment rate when Obama took office?
8 percent and rising like a rocket. Eventually went all the way up to 10
Its back down to 8 because of Obama. If Bush or McCain had been in office.
No telling how high it would have climbed.
Good Point Verbal.
@@
August 30th, 2012
12:02 pm
O.K., I’ve been reluctant to share a personal experience but here goes.
I find myself caught in the middle of a neighborhood quarrel. Both staunch Democrats, one white, one black. The white guy is definitely racist. The black neighbor is seeking revenge. It all centers around a utility shed.
Anyhoo, my advice to both is enjoy your private property rights. Don’t encroach on your neighbors. Put up a 6 ft privacy fence if you must.
If there’s any amusement to be found, my black Tea Party neighbor is fully engaged…playing both sides against each other. When I admonish him for fueling the fire, he responds with “Why should I care? They’re both democrats, their own worst enemies. Let ‘em succeed in destroying each other. That’s two less for me to worry about.”
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
Where is Obozo’s registration with Selective Service? We need to see it. Why is it being hidden?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
12:04 pm
What was Obama’s PROMISE on the unemployment rate if the stimulus package was passed?
I dont think even he realized how bad Bush had ruined our Economy.
Its so cute you guys act like everything was fine when Obama took over.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:06 pm
So Obozo’s unemployment rate has been over 8% for almost four years? That’s the worst record on jobs since the Depression.
Thanks for the update, Cheesy.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
12:06 pm
@@
Regardless of their politics or your politics as long as they are not encroaching on your rights, let them be babies all they want.
Joe The Plumber Too
August 30th, 2012
12:06 pm
@@, that is too funny, I must admit my yardsign sticks out like sore thumb among all the obama signs in my neighborhood but last election and this one it hasn’t been stolen or trashed. I think my neighbors and I know that politics are fleeting but friendships last for decades. Hopefully, your neighbors will come to the same conclussion.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:10 pm
374,000 more new jobless claims this week. Last week’s number revised up… Again.
JamVet
August 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
The LAST thing a traitor to the concept of American individualism and freedom should be doing is quoting Thomas Jefferson.
Oh noes!
Tibby egregiously and wantonly violates Kyle’s Rule Number One!
I think we should all start an email campaign to Kyle to have him permantently red carded for his continued history of unprovoked personal insults!! The very thing that has gotten him in SO much previous trouble on various forums.
LOL!
(Or maybe I’ll just sue him for slander…)
In the Middle
August 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
False. The plant stopped making cars and switched to making SUVs in December 2008. It was then closed in 2009 during the Obozo regime.
Dang, your blind acceptance of whatever your stoogemasters feed you has made you look really ignorant once again!
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Lil B,
Sorry, but not completely how it happened. The plant closed in December 2008 and a few dozen skilled workers remained to complete the ISUZU orders that were already in place. Once those were completed in April 2009, they were decommissioned.
Get Real
August 30th, 2012
12:13 pm
Looks like the hard core libbies on this blog are getting a bit anxious. It really does not matter, as no amount of logic or rational discussion will change their views. The target audience all along has been the independents and based on initial reports the republican speakers have done rather well…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
12:16 pm
Most of America knew how bad things were four years ago.
Why is it Obama gets a pass from you libs who ignore his ignorance of the obvious?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
And don’t worry, AmVet, your violation of the rules from yesterday has been reported.
JamVet
August 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
It really does not matter, as no amount of logic or rational discussion will change their views.
And that is an example of said logic and rational discussion?
Too funny…
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
So Obozo didn’t keep his promise to keep the plant open? Thanks for the clarification.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
12:17 pm
You can already see the consequences. As the AJC reported Tuesday, just 2 percent of delegates to the GOP convention in Tampa — 46 in all — are African-American. As recently as 2004, that number was quite a bit larger, at 167 African-American delegates. That’s a dramatic decline.
That tent is getting smaller and smaller boys.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 30th, 2012
12:18 pm
Now it’s off to help out a few friends in need. You know, without government handouts.
Later.
MikeB
August 30th, 2012
12:19 pm
Too bad all the so called “fact checkers” don’t apply the same zeal to the Obama Administrations actions/activities… Too bad the pundits don’t treat whatever is uncovered the same way for both parties…… Huge double standard in media today….. Don’t expect it to change as long as Obama is in office…….. Just noting for the record… Just look at what liberals say when there is a hot mic around….. Its very telling…. Former Yaho D.C. Political Correspondent David Chalian yesterday (Former because Yahoo fired his butt for it), and Obama to Medvedev? Never mind what comes out of Bidens mouth…. Very telling….
HDB
August 30th, 2012
12:21 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:01 pm
Politifact says you’re wrong, LBB…..
In 1918, General Motors bought a farm implement manufacturing plant in Janesville, a city of 60,000 near the Illinois border. Production of Chevrolets began there in 1923. Employment peaked at 7,100 in 1978, but a series of five layoffs occurred over the next 30 years.
By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)
So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/
Get Real
August 30th, 2012
12:22 pm
JamVet
Would never expect to change your mind as you are part of the kool-aid brigade…march FORWARD…over the cliff…good luck with that
In the Middle
August 30th, 2012
12:24 pm
Lil B,
Obama never promised anything. This is what he said:
“This can be America’s future. I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your Governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made – how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. ”
The bad news he was referring to was a report that showed GM had a tremendous 4th qtr loss in 2007. A few months after his speech, GM made the decision to close the plant. In June 2008, I do believe the democrat primaries were just ending and George W. Bush was still in the White House!
Oh, and you’re welcome!
JamVet
August 30th, 2012
12:26 pm
Tibby,
If me simply being here drives you to such agonizing apoplexy, it is almost worth dealing with your childish unprovoked personal insults.
Seriously, what does that say about you?
Citizens United has created a new political environment even more vulnerable to what Thomas Jefferson called “the excesses of the monied interests.”
Wake up and quit listening to nitwits like Dick Cheney, cons. That brilliant Founding Father wasn’t kidding when he talked about how the banksters were going try to destroy this country…
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:27 pm
Still counting by race, Cheesy?
You know what we call folks who make decisions based on race, right? Racist.
wallbanger
August 30th, 2012
12:28 pm
If you don’t see a theme here you are obtuse. What they are saying is that you can come from anywhere, anyplace, and in America, if you aspire to greatness you can make it. That is a recurrent theme among all of these, most of whom are 2nd generation from legal immigration. What Obama’s ilk like to sell is that Americans are all helpless pawns of a relentless fate. How sick is that?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
Obozo: And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. ”
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And the plant is closed, you say?
Hmm.
Get Real
August 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
MikeB….spot on, it would be comical if it were not so sad. But I believe this time around most fair minded folks have caught on to the double standard…
JamVet
August 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
Excellent, Get!
You provide yet another compelling, fact-filled example of that logic and fact filled discussion you seek so badly and require of others!
You’re on a roll!
At a bare minimum, I’d think you have some great quotes from Paul Ryan or Dick Cheney to disprove those Jefferson quotes.
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. ~Abraham Lincoln
Occupy that…
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
Barry
Apparently Lindsey Graham is also doing a little counting, just saying.
“The demographics race we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”
Take it your whining up with the Senator
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
The subject is Cheesy’s racism, but nice try at deflection.
Get Real
August 30th, 2012
12:37 pm
Again JamVet…my statements are based on the volumes of pro left statements that you and your ilk have put forth every time you blog, why would I waste my time trying to convince someone of another view point that they simply refuse to see….it is that simple..
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
12:37 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:27 pm
Still counting by race, Cheesy?
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
Take it up with the Senator who seems to be counting and saying the outlook isn’t sunny
Kyle Wingfield
August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
JamVet: You know the rules about using people’s names. See you next week.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
Get Real
And that would be opposed to all the right wing comments?
So what is your point?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Teaching People to Hate Their Own Govt. Is at the Core of the Project to Destroy the Middle Class
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/teaching-people-hate-their-own-govt-core-project-destroy-middle-class
In the Middle
August 30th, 2012
12:44 pm
Lil B,
Yes, it did close. Evidently the administration in place at the time (Bush) was not able to provide GM with any type of assurances that they would receive help. Thus, GM made the decision to close. I don’t understand your point! He didn’t promise anything!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:46 pm
I’ve often wondered what the point is of “destroying the middle class”. Who will buy the products and services churned out by all the factories the greedy one percenters have offshored?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
12:49 pm
Still counting by race, Cheesy?
Yes. In Politics
Question is why is the Republican party so unpopular with minorities?
Stock answer : Because the Dems send them free checks and they dont have to work !!!
Anybody give me a reason other than the provided stock answer.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
12:50 pm
Our President Bush didn’t promise to keep it open.
That was Obozo.
gm
August 30th, 2012
12:51 pm
Joe The Plumber Too
You fall into that stero type image that some white people think of blacks with those stupid comments:
What did Malcome X say that white people call a black doctor, lawyer, now a black President behind their back” I dont even have to say it””
Here is one for you uncle Charlie: TD Jakes and his wife were on food stamps once were they lazy? now I know why Harriet Tubman had to kill a lot of inside slaves first to be able to move forward, trust me Al Sharpton and Jessie will come to your rescue first before Rice, West even look at you. ”””
Kyle Wingfield
August 30th, 2012
12:52 pm
JamVet: If you have specific comments you want to bring to my attention, email them to me.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
12:53 pm
“Who will buy the products and services churned out by all the factories the greedy one percenters have offshored?”
Well both parties and 1%ers of all political stripes are guilty of offshoring, especially over the last 30 yrs.
Their shortsightedness for profits in combination with no choice in regards to competition has know reared it is ugly head.
Unintended consequences is what they call it. The number of jobs created in the US due to opening of markets worldwide as not kept pass with the jobs being sent overseas. Keep in mind these are not just union jobs. As many of more non union jobs have left this country, which include manufacturing, IT / programming, customer service, engineering, etc, etc.
Take out the dot.com and construction bubbles that masked these issues for a number of years and we would have been in this shape or close to it for sometime now.
Get Real
August 30th, 2012
12:56 pm
TBS…it definitely cuts both ways no doubt…my point was specific to JamVet…that is all
Darwin
August 30th, 2012
12:58 pm
Full of lies.
@@
August 30th, 2012
12:58 pm
More Americans than forecast filed applications for unemployment benefits last week, a sign that progress in the labor market is faltering amid a slowing economy.
U.S. stocks retreated, trimming the third straight monthly advance for the benchmark Standard & Poor’s 500 Index, as reports from Europe, Japan and South Korea intensified concern the global economy is cooling. The S&P 500 fell 0.8 percent to 1,399.18 at 10:29 a.m. in New York.
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is scheduled to speak tomorrow in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, where he may discuss the economic outlook.–Bloomberg
Apropos that Bernanke would be speaking from The Hole.
Poetry “in motion.”
NOT!
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
12:59 pm
Barry
Doesn’t mean that there are not current sectors that not growing and will continue to grow, however unless we get some type of bubble (I hate to say it, but it is probably true) we are in for a slow ride until avg consumer debt come down.
Continued government spending by both parties is at best short term except in areas. Tax cuts can be an infusion, but if taxes are the only variable at current rates (individual and corporate) compared over the last 50 yrs we should be getting trickled upon at this time.
Going to be a bumpy ride
gm
August 30th, 2012
1:00 pm
Rice stands in front of these people in tears concerning civil rights, yet the people she claim are great Americans are the ones who voted against civil rights, John McCain, Mitch Mcconnell and the list goes on.
How can any women with a brain vote for a ticket with Paul vote against women Ryan?
The Dem next week with put his records against women out there, votes against Ledbetter act for women on and on.
@@
August 30th, 2012
1:04 pm
gm:
I have a better question. How can women who show up dressed as vaginas expect to be taken seriously?
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
1:07 pm
Kyle
Guess other bloggers and myself have gotten way off topic.
As I stated the other day, I do not watch either of the propagandized infomercials (convention speeches) from either party.
They both are feel good pep rallies that in my opinion are way way short on details.
The left will say that most of the speeches this week were bad and the right will do the same next week. Happened last election and will be the same next election.
I see them as rallying cries for the bases, which is understandable, but either offer enough substance to sway many people beyond emotional appeal. And that type of appeal let’s me know that the particular voter in question probably doesn’t do much homework regardless of whom they vote for in any given election; D or R or someone else for that matter.
Outside of something significant coming out of someone’s closet, the debates will close the deal for one or the other.
I still think Obama can take it with a split decision or a draw and Romney will need the knock out.
Jefferson
August 30th, 2012
1:12 pm
Bush III, it has a nice ring to it. Romney is Bush III.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
1:15 pm
I slept with Scarlet Johannson last night!
ooops, I pulled a Ryan!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
1:16 pm
Yep, if Republicans get their way, this will be an election about ideas, not about who is going to keep giving away the “free” candy. Republicans, and Americans, win that kind of election. Democrats won if its about hate and smears and distractions,
md
August 30th, 2012
1:18 pm
“And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. ””
I must be missing something…….”if” they get the assistance they would be there another 110 years……they got it and they are gone. I’m not too sure how one can interpret that any other way….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
1:19 pm
And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. ”
There is a promise in there somewhere?
Facts smacks
August 30th, 2012
1:19 pm
I guess if you tell bold face straight lies and never mention your own voting record, that qualifies you for VP. I can only imagine the level of lies Mittens is going to drop tonight.
md
August 30th, 2012
1:21 pm
“There is a promise in there somewhere?”
More like a statement of fact……a fact that never happened after the statement was made………..
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
1:21 pm
Barry @ 1:16
You mean “free candy” such as corporate welfare or just what you deem as a giveaway?
getalife
August 30th, 2012
1:26 pm
Looks like the key to not get banned is not use names in your posts.
Anyhoo, if you fact check ruin’s speech, you would know it was nothing but lies.
The robme ruin campaign is counting on American ignorance and not showing up to vote.
Worst campaign ever.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 30th, 2012
1:27 pm
Kyle Wingfield
August 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
JamVet: You know the rules about using people’s names. See you next week.
On two separate occasions I have pointed out the exact same infractions by what I know to conclude are your “chosen”.
When will you be even handed in your punishments?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
1:31 pm
They BOTH suck: You mean “free candy” such as corporate welfare or just what you deem as a giveaway?
——–
Mainly the handout programs for those who don’t work for a living. Those are the big hitters in the budget. Corporate welfare, while objectionable and a worthy target for elimination, is relatively small potatoes.
zeke
August 30th, 2012
1:31 pm
is it ok with republicans to stretch the truth as much as romney ryan do? if answer is, so does obama. i thought 2 wrongs don’t make a right and these two upstanding honest men can rely on the truth of their arguments.
gm
August 30th, 2012
1:31 pm
The rep party are the buffet party, these right nuts like to pick and chose what part of gov that please them.
“”"I dont like gov but I need fed funds for my state, I hate gov I need corportate loop holes, to help my business, I hate gov please dont touch my medicare or SSI, Va checks, these people are a joke no wonder they love Paul Ryan””””’
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
1:33 pm
Please try to stay on topic, Kamchak – “Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
1:34 pm
More like a statement of fact……a fact that never happened after the statement was made………..
oooooh. Good argument….md. You never cease to amaze me!
getalife
August 30th, 2012
1:34 pm
“When will you be even handed in your punishments?”
Good question.
In the Middle
August 30th, 2012
1:35 pm
Lil B,
Show me where he said he promised to keep it open. You can’t because he didn’t. I bid you adieu!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
1:38 pm
11-0 yesterday.
11-1 today.
Jefferson
August 30th, 2012
1:39 pm
Bush III and Cheney II can’t do anything different, and they have bad track records. What fools they make of their admirers.
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
1:39 pm
Here’s a fact check, getalife:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech
zeke
August 30th, 2012
1:40 pm
you righties better read matt taibbi on bain company…..guys like the one hosting this post just trying to ingratiate themselves with the overlords.
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
1:44 pm
Funny, zeke, that music mag doesn’t mention any of Bain’s success stories. Bill Clinton could probably share a few.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
1:45 pm
Mainly the handout programs for those who don’t work for a living. Those are the big hitters in the budget.
Defense spending is twice that.
Its the real big hitter in the budget.
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
1:47 pm
It’s a good thing that providing for defense is one of the top priorities of gov’t per the Constitution.
zeke
August 30th, 2012
1:47 pm
doubt you read it there verbal, but if you did you think mitt really knows anything about building companies? you probably thought gordon gekko a swell guy too
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
1:47 pm
I thought we were talking corporate welfare, and you go off about a legit function of government.
Try again.
md
August 30th, 2012
1:48 pm
It’s not difficult Finn…..when one uses the word “if” in a sentence and then proceeds to remove the “if” through action, all one has to do is re-read the statement without the “if’s” since they have in essence been removed.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
1:48 pm
If you guys want to know where your taxes go it isn’t to the lazy minority down the street getting a government check.
Its to build a laser hover tank that we dont even need.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
1:51 pm
It’s a good thing that providing for defense is one of the top priorities of gov’t per the Constitution.
This is the heart of the Republican party.
Spend billions on weapons everyone knows are obsolete and wont be used.
Thats fine.
But give a couple bucks so some poor minority kid gets a decent meal at lunch.
They go crazy
Very telling. Very Jesus like.
getalife
August 30th, 2012
1:51 pm
Fact check ruin’s speech:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-gop-conventions-second-night/2012/08/30/128cbe9e-f260-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html
He is a blatant liar just like robme.
They are counting on ignorance of the American people.
They will lose.
getalife
August 30th, 2012
1:52 pm
Enter your comments here
Jefferson
August 30th, 2012
1:52 pm
The reason the GOP is high on defense is
1) They are scared
2) They want other to do the work for them.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
1:52 pm
It’s a good thing that providing for defense is one of the top priorities of gov’t per the Constitution.
So is promoting the general welfare.
Its right there in the preamble.
zeke
August 30th, 2012
1:53 pm
how many former generals and admirals work in lobbying for military industrials? when i was real young i thought these guys were just the best. then i served and found out they are as full of it as the rest of us
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
1:55 pm
The reason the GOP is high on defense is
1) They are scared
Xenophobia does drive that a little.
Ive always said if the illegal immigrants in this country were from a white country you wouldn’t hear near the complaining.
md
August 30th, 2012
1:56 pm
Good link there get……shows all these folks on here saying the plant “closed” in Dec 2008 are incorrect……that link says it closed in April, 2009……which means Ryan was correct.
Kyle Wingfield
August 30th, 2012
1:57 pm
Kamchak: Have you emailed those complaints? Because a) that is the way I’ve asked people to bring problems to my attention rather than taking up space on comment threads, and b) that’s especially important this week, when I’m not sitting at the computer as many hours of the day as usual to monitor the comment threads.
@@
August 30th, 2012
1:57 pm
Heck! I thought Ryan was pretty even-handed.
First he acknowledges that Obama inherited a bad economy, then goes on to say he (Obama) was unable to keep his promise he made on the campaign trail (2008).
President Barack Obama, came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those are very tough days. And any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My own state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it.
Especially in Janesville where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that G.M. plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.”
That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.
“As it turned out” isn’t the same as saying Obama shut ‘er down.
Liberals are guilty of an illegal shift on the field. A false start on the track.
Ryan must really have you libs shook up.
td
August 30th, 2012
1:59 pm
Ezra Klein was bust lying about the GM plant closing during the Bush administration. When his blog was confronted by twitchy he pulled the lie down.
http://twitchy.com/2012/08/30/ezra-kleins-lie-now-you-see-it-now-you-dont/
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
2:01 pm
Ryan must really have you libs shook up.
Yeah. Quaking.
@@
August 30th, 2012
2:02 pm
Oh lawd-ah-mercy, Kyle.
Please don’t encourage Kamchak. He’ll be over here yellow carding and red carding everyone except liberals.
He needs to go out and find a real job. Being a blog monitor won’t get him very far.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 30th, 2012
2:05 pm
Kamchak: Have you emailed those complaints?
Nope, ’cause running behind everybody’s back like a tattletale crybaby is not the way I do things.
You can start by reading it here.
td
August 30th, 2012
2:18 pm
Kamchak – “Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 30th, 2012
2:05 pm
‘Nope, ’cause running behind everybody’s back like a tattletale crybaby is not the way I do things.”
Thanks for the laugh. Funniest thing I have read today.
Bob
August 30th, 2012
2:20 pm
This may be your view of the speech but one thing that must be addressed is the number of blatant lies in the speech. They are documented in numerous New outlets including Fox News. It was one of the most dishonest speeches ever made and will end up hurting the conservative cause. This is the guy we have put forward as an intellectual leader and he stoops to this? When he or any conservative runs in 2016 this will be rerun. pathetic.
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August 30th, 2012
2:23 pm
Nope, ’cause running behind everybody’s back like a tattletale crybaby is not the way I do things.
Say wh-a-a-a-a-a-a!!!!!?????!!!!!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
2:26 pm
Why did Obozo’s Chevy Volt plant close down?
Fail.
David R. Boag, DDS
August 30th, 2012
2:27 pm
Cheesy @ 12:49
Still counting by race, Cheesy?
Yes. In Politics
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So, Cheesy, if I also only selectively count by race when it suits me, say when I’m hiring people or approving them for loans, then–like you–I’m not a racist either, right?
Look at that! It DOES cut both ways!
td
August 30th, 2012
2:28 pm
Bob
August 30th, 2012
2:20 pm
“This may be your view of the speech but one thing that must be addressed is the number of blatant lies in the speech”
Fact checking the fact checkers:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech.
@@
August 30th, 2012
2:30 pm
So is promoting the general welfare.
A very ambiguous term, that.
I don’t think it means what some have come to expect.
Suffice it to say, the enumerated powers that follow DO provide for the general welfare. Anything beyond those are a reach and overly so.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
2:30 pm
Cheesy: Very Jesus like.
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Please keep your religion off the blog.
David R. Boag, DDS
August 30th, 2012
2:37 pm
Finn @ 1:15 pm
“I slept with Scarlet Johannson last night!
ooops, I pulled a Ryan!”
Look, Finn, if you want to have a sheep for a pet and name it Scarlett Johannson or whatever you want, and do to it whatever you want, two things:
1. No one on here wants to hear about it.
2. You can’t go around accusing Paul Ryan of also doing it without evidence.
Thanks in advance for your future discretion.
@@
August 30th, 2012
2:40 pm
I slept with Scarlet Johannson last night!
H-e-e-e-eyyyyyy!
Finn and Kamchak have something in common. Kamchak’s always claiming to have done something special.
schnirt
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August 30th, 2012
2:45 pm
I must be out of the entertainment loop. I’ll have to google Scarlet Johannson.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 30th, 2012
2:51 pm
Sleeping with Scarlett Johannson isn’t special.
At least not to me, I just call that event typical Thursday.
@@
August 30th, 2012
2:56 pm
…typical Thursday.
Shouldn’t you be putting your money to better use, Kamchak?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 30th, 2012
2:58 pm
Shouldn’t you be putting your money to better use, Kamchak?
Why?
She pays me.
Hillbilly D
August 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
@@
August 30th, 2012
3:02 pm
ew
A gigilo? Times MUST be tough for the both of you.
Let’s end this “little” exchange.
@@
August 30th, 2012
3:03 pm
Sorry, Hillbilly.
(ISH)
@@
August 30th, 2012
3:05 pm
Take note, Hillbilly. You’re one of the very few who will ever receive an apology from me but don’t go rolling yore eyes too often.
I have limits.
Verbal Kint
August 30th, 2012
3:06 pm
Bob – I’d advise you to expand your horizons on your choice of media outlets. The Fox News piece was an opinion from a democrat/liberal.
gm
August 30th, 2012
3:08 pm
The rep party once again looked like 1959, at the convention, wow this rep party really want to make minorites included , lets see why blacks are lining up Mitt and Paul have no minorites on their staff any where and one of the black rep reported no blacks were anywhere in the RNC.
Oh, I forgot you had disconnected blacks like Davis, and Rice, whats funny is Rice goes on about how she made it thru jim crowe but the people that voted against civil rights movment John Mcconnell and McCain and others are siting next to her.
Robert
August 30th, 2012
3:23 pm
The most notable thing about Ryan’s speech was how free he felt to stretch the truth and leave out obvious context. We’ve seen that tactic in 30-second TV ads from both sides, but for a party’s vice presidential nominee to do so on the biggest stage of the campaign was stark.
The web is filled today with analyses breaking down Ryan’s speech. We’ll save you some time and effort and just summarize a handful of the most misleading things we heard (and we’ll do the same when the Democrats come to Charlotte next week):
•The stretch: Ryan said Obama promised to keep a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin open, but that plant is now closed. The truth: GM decided to close the plant in December 2008, when George W. Bush was president. And Ryan opposed Obama’s GM bailout, which is now widely credited with saving the company and the industry.
•The stretch: Ryan said the Bowles-Simpson debt reduction commission sent Obama “an urgent report” that he then ignored. The truth: Obama certainly ignored Simpson-Bowles. But Ryan himself was on the commission and voted against the Simpson-Bowles plan. The lack of support by Ryan and others on the commission relieved Congress of having to act on it.
•The stretch: Ryan referred to “$716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama,” saying it came “at the expense of the elderly.” The truth: Obama’s cuts to Medicare do not reduce benefits to seniors. They reduce future reimbursement rates to hospitals and insurance plans. And they haven’t happened; they take place over 10 years. Ryan included the same cuts in his budget plan. In fact, Ryan’s Medicare plan reduces spending on the program more than Obama did.
•The stretch: Ryan blamed Obama for the S&P downgrade of America’s credit rating. The truth: The downgrade happened because Republicans in Congress took the nation to the brink over raising the debt ceiling. In its downgrade after that showdown, S&P blamed Republicans in Congress, like Ryan, who “continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues.”
Neil Newhouse, a pollster for the Romney campaign, this week said: “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.” And Paul Ryan proves it.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
3:25 pm
So, Cheesy, if I also only selectively count by race when it suits me, say when I’m hiring people or approving them for loans, then–like you–I’m not a racist either, right?
No then you are. When you are just observing an obvious trend in Politics you are not
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 30th, 2012
3:26 pm
Please keep your religion off the blog.
No
@@
August 30th, 2012
3:27 pm
one of the black rep reported no blacks were anywhere in the RNC.
That reporter must’ve been color blind.
Should we have put them on display?
Naahhhhh, that would’ve been…well
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tacky?
Jefferson
August 30th, 2012
3:27 pm
1st officer on the Titantic to Captain : “I’ve hit an iceburg, you take over”
Captain : “Thanks for telling me, I guess its mine now eh”
….the president inherited a bad economy (Ryan)
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
3:28 pm
Spend billions on weapons
Cause there are soooooo many enemies out there that could beat us, right?
Like having a military base in Italy – they might throw spaghetti at us ! Run for your lives!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 30th, 2012
3:29 pm
Obama’s GM bailout, which is now widely credited with saving the company and the industry.
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Thank heavens for that bailout, otherwise we wouldn’t have cars to drive!
The “fact checkers” need some checking of their own. It’s clear they’re working hard for the Democrats.
Jefferson
August 30th, 2012
3:38 pm
lbb is full
Robert
August 30th, 2012
3:51 pm
Where are all my right wing GOP/tea party lovers? Just like I thought. Cowards!!!
td
August 30th, 2012
3:54 pm
Robert
August 30th, 2012
3:39 pm
Stop plagiarizing others work. At least put quotes around the material if you are not going to link the WApost.
Michael H. Smith
August 30th, 2012
3:54 pm
Yeah, Ryan… Kinda makes you feel sympathy for obama’s running mate joe The Gaffenator.
Well, I did say kinda…. but not reeeeeally(sic) sympathetic.
Nice article Kyle and I can’t close without saying how taken I was with Condoleezza Rice last night. She increasingly impresses me the more I hear her speak. Now we know why she was always seemingly in the background… as not to dwarf those whom she served.
Robert
August 30th, 2012
3:57 pm
The American People who live in the deep, deep, South (NC,SC,GA,FL, etc.) need someone to give them facts and the Washington Post – FactChecker is unbiased. No plagerism just reporting the real news not reported south of the mason-dixon line. That is a Fact.
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August 30th, 2012
3:58 pm
Where are all my right wing GOP/tea party lovers? Just like I thought. Cowards!!!
Probably waiting for someone a little more worthy than you?
Kyle Wingfield
August 30th, 2012
3:59 pm
I haven’t had time to respond to all the comments about Ryan’s speech, but Robert @ 3:23 summed up enough of them I’m going to reply to him.
1. “Ryan said Obama promised to keep a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin open…” No, he didn’t say that. He acknowledged right off the bat the town already was “about to lose a major factory,” and he said Obama went to the factory and said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hundred years.” He concluded by pointing out the factory closed and then saying “And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.” The point was not about a broken promise, but the poor recovery.
2. “But Ryan himself was on the commission and voted against the Simpson-Bowles plan.” True. But, unlike Obama, he has presented an alternative. This was Obama’s own commission, and he ignored its report and has not offered any other solution.
3. “Obama’s cuts to Medicare do not reduce benefits to seniors. They reduce future reimbursement rates to hospitals and insurance plans.” This is a distinction without a difference. What do you think hospitals and insurance plans provide when it comes to Medicare? Benefits to seniors, of course. Bonus un-true “truth”: “Ryan’s Medicare plan reduces spending on the program more than Obama did.” No, they both would spend about 3.25% of GDP on Medicare. The difference is Ryan makes the changes for future beneficiaries to bring federal spending under control. Obama takes the money from current beneficiaries and spends it elsewhere (Obamacare), leaving us no better off budget-wise.
4. “S&P blamed Republicans in Congress…” This is a textbook example of cherry-picking. S&P’s downgrade report discussed both revenues and spending, particularly on entitlements, and explicitly stated, “Standard & Poor’s takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the U.S.’s finances on a sustainable footing.” And there were multiple reports at the time that House Republicans had agreed to a “grand bargain,” only for President Obama to try to change the deal and raise taxes even more.
Even the quote from Newhouse is misleading, since it suggests the campaign has something against “facts” as opposed to “fact-checkers” whose analyses often leave something to be desired.
Kyle Wingfield
August 30th, 2012
4:01 pm
Robert @ 3:39: You cannot simply cut and paste an entire article from another source and post it here. Among other things, that’s a potential copyright violation. Provide an excerpt, an attribution and a link.
Kyle Wingfield
August 30th, 2012
4:01 pm
And please provide attribution and a link to the material you copied @ 3:23, too.
Michael H. Smith
August 30th, 2012
4:02 pm
The WP unbiased ?!
That one was so ripe I’ll be back tomorrow after the AJC sanitation crew disinfects this blog.
Goodnight all.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
4:04 pm
Even the Gilded Age robber barons, despite their unapologetic efforts to keep workers from getting any rights at all, built America in spite of themselves, erecting railroads and oil wells and telegraph wires. And from the time the monopolists were reined in with antitrust laws through the days when men like Mitt Romney’s dad exited center stage in our economy, the American social contract was pretty consistent: The rich got to stay rich, often filthy rich, but they paid taxes and a living wage and everyone else rose at least a little bit along with them. But under Romney’s business model, leveraging other people’s debt means you can carve out big profits for yourself and leave everyone else holding the bag.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz253tBw8VH
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
4:05 pm
Like that!
td
August 30th, 2012
4:06 pm
Robert
August 30th, 2012
3:57 pm
The Washington Post fact checker has been proven to be biased to the left wing positions.
Now if you want to see the fact checker checked then go below:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
4:11 pm
Calling it the national convention Costanza effect — that is, “it’s not a lie, if you believe it,” as the notoriously deceitful “Seinfeld” character played by Jason Alexander quipped — the Obama-Biden speechwriting team decided to spike its original speech draft and replace it with a new version, which Salon has obtained from a campaign insider.
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/if_obama_lied_like_ryan/
td
August 30th, 2012
4:18 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
4:11 pm
Salon.com again. OMG you can not get further to the left.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 30th, 2012
4:20 pm
td,
what is your point?
Steve
August 30th, 2012
4:27 pm
So sick of the lies from the GOP. Bash Obama and lie, no real plans with any “details” – just all talk. The GOP is dying, thank God.
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
4:31 pm
How good it is to realize that we have a very fine group of Republicans ready to lead our country. The Convention gives us hope.
Speakers come forth with honesty, clarity, intelligence and leadership.They are neither bombastic nor vendictive showing the good character they possess.
Romney, a quiet man, will bring us to a dedicated goal tonight. That is, of course, getting this country back in a stable economic position and appreciating the inherent goodness of America.
My thanks to Kyle for giving us an accurate and forthright version of this convention when we couldn’t be there ourselves.
That’s right, Kyle. Now come on home before we run wild!
MarkV
August 30th, 2012
4:31 pm
The Medicare arguments used by Ryan, Kyle and the Republicans are some of the worst examples of distortion and hypocrisy. They bemoan the Medicare expenses as unsupportable, and when Obama puts in place savings, they attack it as robbing Medicare. Kyle’s argument that reducing payment to hospitals and insurance plans means reducing the benefits to seniors is patently false. The benefits are given by the Medicare rules, not by what insurance plans and hospitals are being paid, and the purpose of the changes is to make the system more effective, about making the hospitals to find ways to use more effective procedures. Kyle, Ryan and others pretend that using the savings for Obamacare somehow means they will not be used for the care for seniors, ignoring such things as elimination of the “doughnut hole” in prescription payments..
independent thinker
August 30th, 2012
4:35 pm
OK assuming everything that Ryan said last night was true and he has devoted his Congressional career to job creation and fiscal restraint and has not wasted time passing nonsensical abortion bills with Todd Aiken, can anyone tell me what Ryan said that made Mitt Romney qualified to be president that we did not already know???
Did he once refer to Romneycare?
I can only remember what he said about his Momma
What plan did he lay out that will magically create twelve million jobs??????????????
Sure would like to know.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
4:39 pm
“The Convention gives us hope”
You need a convention to give you hope?
amazing
Hope from a political convention. just WOW
Karl Rove
August 30th, 2012
4:42 pm
Great job boys – my man Ryan got everyone so confused about that GM bailout, either way Obama screwed up. If he did not do the bailout then he broke a promise to keep that Wisconsin plant open. Since he did do the bailout we can accuse him of wasting gov’ment money on a bunch of lazy union workers who are only interested in employment benefits and he should have looked at for his friend’s district and reopened that plant even if it was wasting money since he knows nothing about operating a business. Keep em confused and they will vote for just about anyone if you advertise a few lies long enough.
Just remember about passing gas in a crowded room – blame the other guy.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
4:52 pm
I am confident that the Democratic convention will suffer the same fate as they run their infomercials next week.
http://tinyurl.com/8tngurk
Where is the love?
Outside of the core bases for both parties, people are not impressed with Rs or Ds.
@@
August 30th, 2012
4:58 pm
One thing’s for sure. If Romney wins, the left is gonna hate him every bit as much as they hated Bush when he stepped into the Oval Office.
How far back does this lib hatred go?
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:03 pm
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And maybe as much as the hate many right leaning folks express on this very blog for Obama
Hypocrisy and irony much?
You must put them both on everything.
From your peaches to your casseroles
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
5:03 pm
MarkV
Your vision is limited. If medical expenses are cut, that will help the overall economy that is ridden with government debt.
If the economy is better there will be less people depending on the government.
Government healthcare is already predicted to go broke in the near future.Medicare being one of them.
We cannot go on with uncontrolled government expenditures of any kind. Obama’s poorly constructed program is destined to raise heathcare expenditures no matter how you plan to add the expense of people by the millions. There are no cuts that can equal that cost.
USA credit will not last that long. You need to worry about everybody, not just seniors.
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
5:08 pm
They both suck 4:39
I’m not a blind pessimist like you. That’s how I can hope when I see responsible politicians making sensible plans..
TRUTH
August 30th, 2012
5:08 pm
Was there an ounce of truth in Ryan’s speech?? Just an ounce? Ohhhh, that’s right, the GOP don’t need no dang fact checking…..
I think we see what the GOP is all about…..Yup, I think we see….
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:10 pm
Dusty
So except for rhetoric, which both parties provide during convention, exactly what “plan” has been laid out and by which speaker.
Generalities and warm fuzzie buzz words are not plans in the real world.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:11 pm
Dusty
The Democrats will be just as guilty next week
So again, what exactly are those “plans”?
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:12 pm
And if you opened that link, which was taken from Drudge, you will see that “we” shrunk by 17 million last night from 08
hahahahahaha
@@
August 30th, 2012
5:19 pm
TBs:
I don’t hate Obama. I do question his ability to lead, his understanding of economic issues, AND within the first year, his willingness to compromise.
I remember his keynote address at the 2004 convention. I was impressed. When he announced his intentions to run for president…naturally, I became curious.
Checking into his background, I discovered he was deeply rooted in the Chicago machine. It was at that point that he became less appealing.
He pulled some pretty under-handed stunts to get elected Senator. Left the housing projects in his district to become rat infested sinkholes.
Bottom line. I was among the first to say “This guy is in over his head.”
He went from being a big fish in a little pond to being a little fish in a vast ocean of complex issues. Unprepared to be CiC.
I would have preferred Hillary. She, at least, had experience.
He, on the other hand, is making it up as he goes along. Following an ideology with which I cannot agree.
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
5:23 pm
They BOTH Suck,
I gather that you cannot read or listen. Republican plans are laid out most anywhere you want to look. Try using your computer instead of running around like a blind mouse in a cage.
It’s a big world out there. Look around. Stop griping. Anybody can do THAT.
Same goes for the Democratic Convention. Find your own way in the gathering. .
killerj
August 30th, 2012
5:32 pm
I,ll make it short and sweet,anyone for a beer?,by by bum.
independent thinker
August 30th, 2012
5:32 pm
Just what I thought, no one can remember anything new Ryan told us about Romney’s qualifications.
And no one has a clue how Romney will create twelve million jobs. Maybe he will pass that stimulus plan he was advocating in December 2008 in Nation magazine. But it was a thrilling speech .
MarkV
August 30th, 2012
5:39 pm
Dusty @ 5:03 pm
“If medical expenses are cut, that will help the overall economy that is ridden with government debt. “Government healthcare is already predicted to go broke in the near future. Medicare being one of them.”
Is that not what I said? The 716 billion Kyle, Ryan and the Republicans are attacking Obama for are savings in Medicare, and they are extending the solvency of Medicare.
“Obama’s poorly constructed program is destined to raise heathcare expenditures no matter how you plan to add the expense of people by the millions.”
Here we are at the basic disagreement. For you, adding people to the rolls of insured is a waste. For me, it is the decent thing to do. As for “poorly constructed,” I might agree, but you should consider how such programs are developed. It was not written by Obama, it was written by professionals and voted on by our representatives in Congress.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:40 pm
Dusty
You gripe and moan on this board every day. Wake the f up and look in the mirror.
Pot calling the kettle much?
_________________________________
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You many not hate him and thanks for the reply. With that said anyone can read and hear the vitriol that is spit at Obama every day on these blogs as well as from the right leaning pundits.
I must add that vitriol was also spit at Bush for numerous years.
It is a two way street. This had been going on since the 1st campaign for President in our nation. It is just more in our face because of 24 hour news (OPINION) programming and the internet.
And of course, each side says the other is worse than their side. They will overlook the same exact thing that they will cry about when said about their guy or gal
Tough being in big boy politics. Very dirty game and no one has clean hands
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:43 pm
Dusty
Explain exactly how consumer demand will increase if Romney is elected?
You will not only need to put that in context of the average consumer debt level, but also take into account the economic issues around the world. We do live in a global economy, if you haven’t heard or read about it.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:46 pm
Dusty
To help get you started, consumer spending accounts for roughly 70% of our economy. Just so you know.
Glad I could assist
Take care now
kelly
August 30th, 2012
5:50 pm
Kyle, read your piece very quickly but didn’t notice if you mentioned that Ryan lied several times. As I’m sure you know, the medial has been calling him out on his lies all day; both left and right media. Is this how the republicans plan to win the election? Lies and misrepresentations? Even a fair minded guy like you must have cringed when Ryan lied about, among other things, the Janesville GM plant.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
5:57 pm
kelly
To be “fair and balanced”, there will be some big whoppers told next week at the Democratic convention.
Just as this week, some of the accusations will be false and some dead on. Each Party will parse words when needed to deflect the criticism of a lie and of course at other times, provide the information that will show the accusation to be false.
After all, it is politics. Nothing new.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 30th, 2012
6:01 pm
Lib world (common sense outlawed there)
Removing money from an underfunded Medicare program, which is adding new participants everyday is going to improve Medicare.
Sticking your bucket under a free flowing faucet of federal dollars, to grab some for your state, is worse than watching them flow down the gutter. If you voted against wasting the dollars, you are not allowed to try to salvage some of them as they are frittered away, or Libs call you a hypocrite.
If you had any part in approving deficits of a few hundred billion, you can’t wake up, and denounce 1.5 Trillion dollar deficits.
Economic models that produced the largest peace time periods of growth in American history are now passe. We can’t go back to those models, because those economies did not work for everyone.
If only the rich would pay their fair share, others would not have to give up anything.
Increasing regulations and bad mouthing business is good for the economy.
marko
August 30th, 2012
6:04 pm
The Wisconsin Republican Liberty Caucus found Ryan’s credentials, as a budget hawk, hard to swallow given his voting record. Now this, from Fox News contributor Sally Kohn, “Ryan’s speech was an attempt to set the world record for blatant lies”.Isn’t it nice to know that the truth and five bucks will still get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
6:06 pm
Rafe
You mean like denouncing the stimulus, saying you didn’t accept any, yet being proven a LIAR for accepting stimulus money.
Is that of which you speak of and the VP nominee?
md
August 30th, 2012
6:29 pm
Kelly…you may want to peruse the previous posts prior to posting in order to not look so silly……
@@
August 30th, 2012
6:58 pm
TBs:
This had been going on since the 1st campaign for President in our nation.
And yet, here we are. Survived ‘em all. This time around there’s been efforts to implement too much change in a short period of time.
Oh! And by the by…
Dusty
You gripe and moan on this board every day. Wake the f up and look in the mirror.
Totally uncalled for. A little vitriol of your own?
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
7:13 pm
Mark V
I care about the health of all people. That’s why I have given aid in that struggle in my professional life, much of it with the underpriveleged.
If you want to ignore the fact that bankrupting the country for any reason is detrimental to all citizens, go ahead.
ObamaCare barely scraped through Congress.because it is so flawed. It may have some greatness but is a poor vehicle to deliver healthcare.
Another thing you don’t seem to realize is that there will always be poor people and many will be sick. That will not go away with any health system. The USA has excellent heathcare, much of it available to the poor. It will not be excellent for anyone with ObamaCare and you need not expect otherwise no matter what happens to Medicare.
So Much For Your LEFTWING WaPO Fact Checker
August 30th, 2012
7:29 pm
Wash Post Fact Checker Glenn Kessler: ‘I Prefer to Stick with non-WaPo Content’
We heard back from Glenn Kessler, the columnist for the Washington Post’s Fact Checker.
Kessler was recently awash in controversy. He commented about, but did not fact check — a recent Washington Post report, “Romney’s Bain Capital Invested in Companies that Moved Jobs Overseas,” that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney’s political campaigns twisted differently both to their own advantages.
Kessler ventured to write that the two campaigns mis-used the report, but his column attracted attention because he stated that despite having a column that fact checks, he wouldn’t fact check the Post’s article itself. His column’s comment that “The Fact Checker does not check the facts in the reporting of Washington Post writers or columnists, despite the many pleas of readers to do so” stood out and was galling to many readers as the comments showed.
As iMediaEthics noted in a previous report, Kessler’s description of his column limits his fact checking jurisdiction only to “statements by politicians and political advocacy groups.”
So iMediaEthics asked Kessler by email why he didn’t just go ahead and check the Post’s reporting as it seems to fully qualify under the description. We also asked why he did not just refer the issue to the newspaper’s ombudsman or skip saying anything on the issue.
Kessler answered our email:
“I can’t really be in the position of verifying what my colleagues have reported. That’s not my role. The Ombudsman is specifically tasked with looking into concerns about reporting practices at the Post.”
He went further and indicated that his editors told him to comment about the issue (”The newspaper believed it would be useful to address what was a flawed interpretation of the article’s conclusions”) and that they did not appreciate that “the article was being used in a campaign ad that distorted its meaning.”
http://www.imediaethics.org/News/3233/Wash_post_fact_checker_glenn_kessler__i_prefer_to_stick_with_non-wapo_content.php
MarkV
August 30th, 2012
7:43 pm
Dusty @7:13 pm
Dusty,
I believe you care about health of all people, but I also believe you have a false idea about the real situation for many poor people, in spite of your professional experience. And I just do not believe that ObamaCare will or would bankrupt the country. As any law it can be improved, but it a step toward insuring everybody, which the Republicans seem unwilling to do, and which I think is essential.
As for you last paragraph, I realize very well there will be poor people and many will be sick, but I also know there are countries that are solving this problem much better than we do.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
8:14 pm
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When I responded Dusty; I meant what I said and said what I meant.
She is the last one to say anything about others crying, griping or whatever.
But you are welcome to cry about it as well.
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August 30th, 2012
8:30 pm
TBs:
Not crying. It tends to impair my vision, then I can’t see what others would prefer I not.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
8:39 pm
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Kool and the gang
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
9:04 pm
Dear MarkV
Perhaps you are correct that I don’t know “the real situation” for many poor people. After all, I’ve only worked with them in Arizona, South Dakota, Alabama and Atlanta, Georgia which limits my exposure. Perhaps you would likie to tell me your experience working with the poor?
If the USA does not have the best healthcare for the poor, there certainly are a myriad of them trying to get here. Need I mention Mexico and Central America?
Smaller prosperous or less populated countries like Germany and Canada have developed over all systems along with tax rates close to 50% to cover it.. The largest countries like Russia and China are communist run and I don’t have to explain that.
While there may be valid reasons for a socialistic health system I have long been exposed to the best system in the world and don’t care to exchange it for something mediocre and expensive..
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
9:16 pm
Russia
Russian is communist? When did they go back to that system?
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
9:29 pm
The Russian Healthcare system was established under communist rule.
The Russians may have dumped the communists but they kept the healthcare system.
They BOTH suck
August 30th, 2012
9:30 pm
Thanks for the clarification.
Is it the same system or some hybrid of what they had under communist rule?
Dusty
August 30th, 2012
10:07 pm
They BOTH Suck 9:30
Russians have been trying to reform their healthcare system. The problems come from what has been described as an “accepted model of state-paternalistic social system”. Citizens who are now complaining about its poor execution and poor results, still can’t accept any changes from the old system..
You should read the Rand report “Crisis of Russian Health Care”. It is scary. Some of the health care “mottos” were “We will take care of you all your life’ but the care was so poor (even with plentiful docs & advantages) that it was run without any influence from citizens with desire for improvement. For medics, it was just a government job.
All this sounds a lot like what I’m hearing about ObamaCare,i.e.” it is going to take care of me always”, etc.etc. etc. They do not realize some of the downfalls or the expense that go with such a system.
MarkV
August 30th, 2012
10:56 pm
Dusty @9:04 pm
Dusty,
I am sorry, but whenever you are pressed, you come up with some really amazing arguments.
”If the USA does not have the best healthcare for the poor, there certainly are a myriad of them trying to get here. Need I mention Mexico and Central America?”
Are trying to say that the people from Mexico and Central America are coming here for the health care? And are you putting them as examples of countries with health care which I have mentioned?
I will assure, you, whether you believe it or not, that there are countries with really good health care and their people are not coming here to be treated – except for a few rich people, who want to have the best medical technology, which is what US has the best one. And their people would never exchange their system for ours. It is quite ridiculous to talk here about communist countries or former communist countries. I have never mentioned Russia as a country we should emulate in anything.
As for Canada and Germany, their overall tax burdens are about 32.3 for Canada and 36.4% for Germany, a far cry from your 50%.
In the end, I am asking you the question I asked you before and you never answered: If countries much less rich than the U S can afford to insure all their citizens, why cannot we, the richest country in the world?
MarkV
August 30th, 2012
11:54 pm
Dear Dusty,
You may have a different view, but I wish we could discuss this subject under better conditions, than late at night and in the middle of other issues.
One thing I would ask you, if we could do that, would be how you define “the best health care system,” other than that it is your opinion.
I would also try to make you understand the distinction between universal health care and a “socialist health system.” In the latter the health care is socialized, which means that the providers are government employees. I think very few people in their country advocate that, and most certainly I do not. But the requirement of health care insurance for everybody (or most everybody, with exceptions, as in a few countries) is not socialized medicine. It can be based on compulsory private insurance (Switzerland), or as government insurance (Medicare for everybody, single payer system). The advantages and disadvantages of those variation can always be debated, but there is no way, in my opinion, to justify our system before the ObamaCare attempt. And the main point is, the health care in those countries with the best universal health coverage is neither mediocre nor expensive. As has been well documented, the US has by far the most expensive health care of all developed countries, with results that in no way justify that expense.
Dusty
August 31st, 2012
10:57 am
MarkV
Can’t spend too much time here today as I’m not only preparing for a big birthday party, I also have out of town company coming. But please consider your own posts which rebut some of your own arguments. Such as:
Rich people from other countries come to the USA for the best medical treatment. (US is now the best!)
Other countries with universal healthcare do not have higher taxes. (Taxes on personal income over $56,491 in the Netherlands is 52%! 52%!!!!! Yes, they have healthcare for everybody.
Does COMPULSORY medical insurance sound like freedom to you? It doesn’t to me. The government is demanding that you follow their decisions for your PERSONAL healthcare. What else are they doing to DECIDE for us?
You may overlook all this if you like. I can’t ignore the loss of freedom that comes with ObamaCare and any other such system that gives me and others a loss of personal decisions in personal life.I don’t want my taxes raised either for more government control when they have already raised the national debt to astronomical figures. That debt is not going away when the government adds more to it every day. There is no way possible to add universal heathcare without adding to that debt.
One other point about illegal immigrants.They do not come here for healthcare alone but they use what is here when they come. (In 2008, 4.3 million babies were born to illegal immigrants in the USA. )
Good to hear from you.
MarkV
August 31st, 2012
11:19 am
Dusty @ 10:57 am
Dusty,
I would be happy to answer your mail, perhaps when you have more time. Good luck with your party.
MarkV
August 31st, 2012
12:22 pm
I meant post, naturally.
MarkV
August 31st, 2012
12:46 pm
Dusty @ 10:57 am
Dusty, whenever you find the time, perhaps after your party, I hope you will take the time to read my answer:
“Other countries with universal healthcare do not have higher taxes. (Taxes on personal income over $56,491 in the Netherlands is 52%! 52%!!!!! Yes, they have healthcare for everybody.”
Probably you wanted to say that they have higher taxes. When we talk about how people are taxed in a country, we do not use the percentage for “over” some figure. We use the overall tax burden, which includes all the taxes. That number is 37.5% for Netherlands. Nobody disputed that it is higher than for the US (26.9%), but that difference is not only for health care, it is also for other social programs the people have chosen to have.
“Does COMPULSORY medical insurance sound like freedom to you? It doesn’t to me. “
Does compulsory car insurance sound like freedom to you? (And please, do not give me the silly argument that we do not have to drive.) An what about all the other, compulsory taxes we pay, whether we agree with the purpose or not? Where is some fundamental difference? Do they sound like freedom to you? Personally, I would much more gladly pay a tax, even higher tax, for the purpose of making sure that everybody can get good medical care when sick or injured, that people do not have to make the painful decision whether to go to a doctor or not, that they go for early diagnosis or preventive treatment, that they do not have to go to emergency rooms or hospitals without insurance and have those higher costs get paid by those with insurance. But that is just me, and most people in the developed countries other than the US. I would much prefer to pay my share for health care for everybody than for, for instance, fighter planes the Pentagon does not want. Where is my freedom in paying those taxes?
“The government is demanding that you follow their decisions for your PERSONAL healthcare. What else are they doing to DECIDE for us?”
How does the government decide that?
“There is no way possible to add universal heathcare without adding to that debt.”
And how did you figure out that? Everybody talks about adding to the debt by Obama and ObamaCare. What about the Republicans? Did you see how Ryan squirmed when asked when according to his plan the budget would be balanced and not add to the debt, and he could not answer?
MarkV
August 31st, 2012
12:53 pm
2012 budget:
The Obama administration’s budget request contained $2.627 trillion in revenues and $3.729 trillion in outlays (expenditures) for 2012, for a deficit of $1.101 trillion. The April 2011 Republican plan contained $2.533 trillion in revenues and $3.529 trillion in outlays, for a deficit of $0.996 trillion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget