RNC 2012: Ryan finishes off a powerful second night

TAMPA — Wednesday night at the Republican National Convention was drifting along unremarkably for a couple of hours. For Georgians, even Attorney General Sam Olens’ speech — the only one this week by someone from our state — suffered from his pairing with his Floridian counterpart, Pam Bondi; the tag-team format just didn’t work all that well. Speeches from Sen. John Thune, the South Dakotan whose name was bandied about (inexplicably, I’d say tonight) as a potential presidential candidate, and Sen. John McCain, the 2008 nominee, were flat.

Then came the wave.

It started with Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and 2008 presidential candidate. To be honest, I wasn’t able to catch much of his speech, but I could tell that the crowd responded to it with much more energy than any of the earlier speakers generated.

Then came Condoleezza Rice. The former secretary of state is highly regarded for her intellect and experience, but I don’t know anyone who expected a set-piece speech from her like the one she gave tonight. She’s obviously known as a foreign-policy expert, but her topics ran the gamut: immigration, education and school choice (which Rice, who grew up in Jim Crow Birmingham, called “the civil rights issue of our day”), and the federal debt. She was powerful on the moral aspects of American leadership in the world and the threat that our finances pose to our ability to exercise it: “There is no country, not even a rising China, that can do more harm to us than we can do to ourselves if we do not do the hard work at home.” She was firm in speaking against the “narrative of grievance and entitlement,” which she described as alien to America. She was wholly impressive and utterly convincing as a future politician (though she’s served in government, she’s never run for office).

New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez followed Rice and, having never heard her speak before, I wasn’t sure about the wisdom of putting her between such a powerful speech by Rice and the night’s headliner, Paul Ryan. But Martinez was very impressive. She spoke of her upbringing in a family with its own small security business — and of working, at age 18, as an armed guard for it. She had one of the lines of the night, describing her surprised reaction after she and her husband met with Republicans trying to convince her to switch to their party years ago: “I’ll be damned. We’re Republicans!”

But Ryan, of course, was every bit the closer the GOP wanted this night. He took on President Obama directly and forcefully, as the vice presidential nominee traditionally is expected to do. He spoke of wasted stimulus money that went to companies “like Solyndra, with their gold-plated connections, subsidized jobs and make-believe markets.” He welcomed the confrontation with Democrats over Medicare: “Our nation needs this debate, we [Romney and Ryan] want this debate, and we will win this debate.” He described the Obama campaign as “a ship trying to sail on yesterday’s wind.”

He defined himself as the youthful candidate on the ticket and in the race, playfully comparing Romney’s songs, which he’s heard “on the campaign bus and in many hotel elevators” with his own playlist, which “starts with AC/DC and ends with Zeppelin.” But more importantly, he made a play for young voters with the line of the convention, maybe the campaign, so far: “College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.”

Two nights in, this campaign is taking a shape that it sorely lacked before Ryan joined the ticket and, to some degree, even until this week. It will be interesting to see not only how Romney closes it out Thursday, but how the Democrats react in Charlotte next week.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 30th, 2012
12:01 am

While I really liked the substance of Ryan’s speech, I found it rather disjointed in it’s structure. Seemed to bounce back and forth too much for my tastes. The effect would have been far better if each item he attacked Obama on was built upon the last one.

Condi Rice was excellent, and I later found out she didn’t use the prompter at all. All was done using notes.

Agree with you on Susana Martinez’s line. The nice thing about this convention is hearing about all these Republican governors who can balance budgets and reduce deficits without raising taxes. Puts to lie all the liberal arguments that say it can’t be done at the Federal level.

hsn

August 30th, 2012
12:22 am

Yeah, Ryan is a real “fiscal” hawk, indeed:

He voted for TARP…
He voted for the Wall Street bail-out…
He supported and voted for 2 wars executed on a virtual blank check

…. And now he wonders why are deficits and debt are growing? The fox is now claiming he is the perfect guy to guard the hen house.
Republicans can try as hard as they want to repackage this Robme/Ruin ticket, but true Conservatives and Independent American voters clearly see through the tripe. Nonsense !

hsn

August 30th, 2012
12:23 am

Typo… Meant to say: “And now he wonders why OUR deficits and debt are growing?”

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 30th, 2012
12:29 am

hsn, Ryan explained his vote on TARP. While I disagree with it, there is no doubt that many considered the potential failure of our banking system the lesser of two evils. I would have let them fail. He chose differently.

However, given the choice between Romney / Ryan (and your stupid names for them devalue your post) and Obama, I feel comfortable that they will do a much better job than the current administration could ever hope to do.

There are no perfect choices in politics. Wishing it were so does not make it so.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 30th, 2012
12:33 am

New Orleans drowns and obozo fiddles.

Karma.

bigdawg88

August 30th, 2012
12:37 am

Tiberius, seems she forgot to mention all the federal money they got to balance their budgets because the federal government borrowed the money! And I wonder how many used “fees” instead of taxes to raise money?

getalife

August 30th, 2012
12:57 am

“New Orleans drowns and obozo fiddles.

Karma.”

It took them one day to rescue the ones trapped on their roofs this time and they had their act together.

How long did w take?

HDB

August 30th, 2012
1:09 am

Condi Rice’s speech was nice…but Ryan’s speech was full of lies…but facts never seem to get in the way!! The Janesville GM plant was closed under Bush….Ryan wants to cut $716B from Medicare and voucherize it…making it untenable for anyone!! It’s time for the truth to come out……..

gm

August 30th, 2012
1:09 am

I wonder how much of that hated gov money will go to rebuild New Orleans? Not one of the hypocrites on the right say anything about the money their state took from the government.

Hey hypocrite Paul you forgot to tell the closed minded right winger nut jobs on the right that you requested some of that bad gov money for your state, only a bunch of Anti Amerericans can stand in front of live TV and bash the President of the United States for spending money bailing out other Americans.

HDB

August 30th, 2012
1:13 am

HDB

August 30th, 2012
1:15 am

Question: If Romney is so against bailouts, why did HE need a bailout for Bain?? Doesn’t this reflect upon his business skills??

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829

hsn

August 30th, 2012
1:15 am

Tiberius said: “However, given the choice between Romney / Ryan (and your stupid names for them devalue your post) and Obama, I feel comfortable that they will do a much better job than the current administration could ever hope to do.”

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Wow ! … I hope you didn’t vote for GW Bush twice. You miss those good ole days, don’t ya? Robme / Ruin will be continuing the same idiotic policies that got us where we are.

The Rethugs took over a surplus after Clinton, gave massive amounts of money in tax cuts to top income earners, promoted policies that shipped thousands of jobs to overseas while engaging in two simultaneous wars for 8 years.

After running this great country into the ground for 8 years, you goons magically expect a miraculous bounce-back in less than 4 years amidst a global financial crises while your “nutcases” in the House and Senate keep obstructing the Executive branch in every single legislative effort to help the economy because if things work out for Americans, it will look good on Obama.

You kons are the worst of the worst in America. Democrats worked with Rethugs under both GW Bush and Reagan to each raise the debt ceiling over 15 times. Your lot wouldn’t even work with the Democrats to allow Obama to raise it for just a single time. You remember what McConnell, big fool said was his number one job, don’t you?

Had a Rethug President faced the record levels of filibuster and partisan obstructions that Obama has faced, you goons would be labelling every single Congressional Democrat “Anti-American” or “Unpatriotic.” That is the very reason the Robme / Ruin ticket will lose this November.

Tealiban Party

August 30th, 2012
1:40 am

Can’t believe Paul Ryan brought up the Janesville GM Plant closing. Here is an article from the local NBC News affiliate announcing it’s closing from June 20, 2008.

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/19465899.html

Nice try Ryan and the cons, but this is yet another example of FAILED REPUBLICAN policies.

MikeB

August 30th, 2012
2:10 am

Spot on play by play Kyle!!! Was watching both CNN & Fox. CNN after every speech they showed (with the exception of Sec. Rice) immediatly took the approach of attempting to diminish/discredit the speaker. Fox on the other hand was over the top complimentary…. Thought it was funny to watch all the CNN pundits faces after the speeches (especially Gloria Borger… Her disdain is so evident they avoided keeping the camera on her for too long…..

Hats off to Yahoo News yesterday….. The firing of David Chalian (now the former Washington D.C. Chief Political Correspondent) was done quickly and without hesitation…… Words have meaning. His smug behavior while on camera made me dislike his reports, but what he said yesterday, has no place in either the Democratic or Republican narrative.

Glad to see a liberal news organization holding their employee’s responsible/accountable for their actions…..

MikeB

August 30th, 2012
2:21 am

All you folks referencing the Janesville WI GM Plant…….. Was not Obama on the Campaign trail in the Spring of 2008?

Was not GM already in a world of hurt in 2008?

It sounds to me like Obama made some form of a promise on the 2008 campaign trail, and the plant closed….. The minutia is not worth effort for the smear case you are trying to make….. This campaign is about bigger ideas not further class/race division and governmental paralysis. Ryan recognizes this and did a good jobb illustrating it. He and Romney should have their chance, just as Obama had his…….

Mr_B

August 30th, 2012
5:30 am

It sounds to me like Obama made some form of a promise on the 2008 campaign trail, and the plant closed…

Had Obama been president in 2008, the year the plant closed, maybe Janesville GM would be operating today.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 30th, 2012
5:37 am

Typical Republican Progressive thought progress.
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Reporter—-”Considering his record, why do you think that Paul Ryan is a conservative?”
Romney/Obama voter—-”Cuz..Cuz….He said he was.”
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lol

marko

August 30th, 2012
5:56 am

According to the Wisconsin Republican Liberty Caucus, the Wisconsin congressman actually voted with the Bush Administration’s agenda of unprecedented federal expansion 94% of the time, and it may surprise his fiscally conservative fans to know that Paul Ryan’s voting record includes votes for the TARP bailouts, the auto bailouts, the massive Bush Medicare expansion, the unprecedented federal intrusion into public education via No Child Left Behind, the 2008 stimulus package, and the $192B 2009 stimulus package.

It seems that the man that wants to pass himself off as a strict fiscal conservative isn’t really all that conservative when his own party’s in office. He only dons his super hero costume, and becomes Captain Budget Hawk, when the president’s a Democrat.

Li'l Aynie

August 30th, 2012
6:16 am

That Ryan … isn’t he a leading member of the dysfunctional Congress? And now he’s running for something other than cover? Does he think the American electorate is dumb? Guess so!

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 30th, 2012
6:29 am

hsn: Yeah, Ryan is a real “fiscal” hawk, indeed: He voted for TARP…He voted for the Wall Street bail-out…
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…which ended up costing LESS than Obozo’s GM bailout, saved the economy from meltdown, and ended the recession in June 2009.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 30th, 2012
6:35 am

hsn: After running this great country into the ground for 8 years blah blah
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Eight years of 4-6% unemployment
Measly $300 billion deficits
AAA credit rating
Fewer people on the dole
Increased tax revenues after lowering tax rates

Looks pretty good in comparison to Obozo’s failed regime.

@@

August 30th, 2012
6:52 am

But Ryan, of course, was every bit the closer the GOP wanted this night. He took on President Obama directly and forcefully, as the vice presidential nominee traditionally is expected to do. He spoke of wasted stimulus money that went to companies “like Solyndra, with their gold-plated connections, subsidized jobs and make-believe markets.”

Ryan’s the guy the administration fears most. Knowing that he was to speak last night, the Obama campaign launched their personal attacks two days in advance.

Dr. Rice is phenomenal!!! Her personal story serves as an inspiration unless you’re a democrat. For them, success will always be beyond reach…never to be attained.

Victims of the establishment. They wallow in their comfort zone.

independent thinker

August 30th, 2012
7:17 am

Condi gave a very nice little speech to the same white folks who turned the fire hoses and bombs on little Black girls in Birmingham. I doubt a single Black person will join the bigots because of her and Artur Davis.At least she did not repeat the welfare/work lie. However for her to talk about national security is a bit much for the person who utterly failed to do their job on 9-11 and then got us in a worse hole in Iraq.
Nice speech by Huckabee until he went off on the anti-abortion tangent without mentioning his true feelings about the Todd Aiken debacle.

Steven

August 30th, 2012
7:19 am

After watching the RNC last night on the Fox Network lastnight, I see the POTUS re-elected in a landslide. The RNC was nothing new of four years ago except a lot of POB*, President Obama Bashing. My Repub friends saw something else from the comments I read on the speeches. I must say though, I was impressed by Dr Rice and the Govenor of New Mexico. The other speakers including Ryan were just Romney talking points.

Ryan reminds me of Lazio who challenged Hilliary Clinton to a New York senators seat. Lazio tried to disrespect her by shouting her down. Guess what…she skunked him in the election. The buyline on Ryan is that he stared down the POTUS in the Congress when they were voting on a budget. Well, I see the POTUS with the same results as Clinton over Lazio on Nov 6th.

Steven

August 30th, 2012
7:28 am

@, @@….. Ryan’s the guy the administration fears most. Knowing that he was to speak last night, the Obama campaign launched their personal attacks two days in advance.

Are you kidding, THEY WANT HIM!!!! They are/can tearing him asunder. AMF, he will not even win his home state. Ryan is at best a Junior Executive! He’s really what they accuse the POTUS of, never having a real job! He’s been in the Congress most of his adult life. So give me a break!

Dr. Rice was impressive but hardly enough to bring needed support for the Romney Ryan ticket.

fair and balanced

August 30th, 2012
7:33 am

Condi did a great job justifying the Dream Act – anybody notice? Ryan sounded great but forgot to mention that he was part of the problem in Congress turning down every job proposal of Obama and instead passing 38 anti-abortion bills. At some point he will have to run on his record. Funny how he condemned the stimulus bill -probably mad he did not get more for his district. AreRepublicans that stupid and gullible?And that 716 billion dollar Mediscare lie is getting really old.

gm

August 30th, 2012
7:42 am

Amazing 5 hour of bashing the President and the gov, yet President Obama is going to New Orleans, Miss, Ark, and going to have to give these states gov funding from the storm, Huckebee, and the rest of the rep gov have no problem taking funds when it benefits them.

Paul , is the biggest hypocrite of them all, he requested gov funding for his state, helped run up the debt in the Bush administration, the right is so narrow minded they will not confront him, wait till next week right lonnies the Dem will show you idiots the real Paul.”””””’

Tundra Dude

August 30th, 2012
7:42 am

RNC 2012: Ryan finishes off a powerful second night

I didn’t watch, but I’d guess he forgot to mention his affection for Big Gubmint. The Ryan family construction firm has been feeding at the Gubmint trough since 1884. First, building gov-subsidized railroads, then rural highways, Chicago airport, when it was primarily used for military transport in WW2,, then on to the Interstate highways.

Mike in St. louis

August 30th, 2012
7:42 am

If you are going to use TARP as a way to slam Ryan, you are uneducated. Learn about TARP before youquote it. TARP was 245 billion dollars used to save Fannie and Freddie. 176 billion of it has been paid back already. And here is a thought, they can actually tell you where that money went! This is all facts even a child can find these facts on Wikki. The latest bailout by President Obama has not been close to being paid back because the lost where large amounts went! Oh but the few places we do know of went to failed companies like Solyndra, an Obama donor. The business model that even your favorite whipping boy Bush rejected because he knew China could build and was building solar panels at a fraction of what we could. Wow a smart business decision, but wait business is evil.

jconservative

August 30th, 2012
7:48 am

I liked the Rice speech sans teleprompter. She believed what she said. Her salute to American Exceptionalism, when she spoke about the little girl from Birmingham who could not get a hamburger at the Woolworth’s counter because of her race but ended up as Secretary of State, echo’s the election as President of the United States a person of the same race.

American Exceptionalism.

Tundra Dude

August 30th, 2012
7:49 am

Condi Rice was excellent, blah, blah…

Imo, there’s nothing excellent about being a run-of-the-mill pom-pom waver for the status quo. (that’s a prerequisite to being hired at Stanford, just ask Thomas Sowell)

Mr_B

August 30th, 2012
8:00 am

“when she spoke about the little girl from Birmingham who could not get a hamburger at the Woolworth’s counter because of her race”
but fails to mention that without Federal level legislation that lack of access would still be considered a “states rights issue” best left to the local authorities.

Bob Loblaw

August 30th, 2012
8:06 am

Huckabee was simply not himself last night. The line about not caring about what church he went to isn’t how he really feels. You could see it on his face.

Condi was solid and talked substance.

Ryan’s mentioning of the budget talks he voted against blew me away. Now that I learn that the tear-jerking story about the auto plant closing was wrong on its timing makes me feel like I feel about his running mate. Hard to believe him and, in him.

@@

August 30th, 2012
8:34 am

He’s really what they accuse the POTUS of, never having a real job! He’s been in the Congress most of his adult life. So give me a break!

Yeah…I guess working at McDonald’s, selling products for Oscar Meyer and construction work was beneath Obama.

Instead, he (Obama) went on to proclaim his job as editor for some organization that supported U.S. companies operating overseas. Problem is, according to his co-workers, Obama was nothing more than a proofreader but EDITOR sounded so much better.

schnirt

antinewt

August 30th, 2012
8:35 am

Heehee, AC/DC and Zeplin are what young people are listening to? Yeah, Ryan’s really gonna help with the youth vote.

BuckeyeInGa

August 30th, 2012
8:39 am

I can’t believe Ryan brought up the Janesville GM plant either. That was portion was debunked pretty quickly. I like the fact that Ryan appealed to the younger generation.

antinewt

August 30th, 2012
8:41 am

If Kyle gets this breathless over standard Republican pablum, he might pee in his pants when Mitt takes the stage tonight. It’s theatre, Kyle, bad theatre, but try not to act like a kid at their first Broadway show.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 30th, 2012
8:46 am

So, Ryan blames Obama for a GM plant closing? A plant that closed before he even became President?

That’s a reach.

HDB

August 30th, 2012
8:50 am

Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 30th, 2012
6:35 am

Ryan’s been shown to have lied about just about everything…..

1) Ryan also put responsibility for Standard & Poor’s downgrade of U.S. government debt at Obama’s doorstep. But he didn’t mention that S&P itself, in explaining its downgrade, referred to the debt ceiling standoff. That process of raising the debt ceiling was only politicized in the last Congress, driven by House Republicans, led in the charge by Paul Ryan. The credit rater also said it worried that Republicans would never agree to tax increases. “We have changed our assumption on [revenue] because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues,” S&P wrote.

2) Obama “funneled” $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare. But he didn’t mention that his own budget plan relies on those very same savings.

3) Ryan then noted that Obama, while campaigning for president, promised that a GM plant in Wisconsin would not shut down. Except Obama didn’t promise that…and the plant closed in December 2008 — while George W. Bush was president.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/paul-ryan-address_n_1841819.html?ref=topbar

Aren’t you tired of the lies???

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 30th, 2012
8:52 am

Ryan’s many lies from last night:

He attacked Obama for failing to keep open a Janesville GM plant that closed under Bush in 2008. He hit him for a credit-rating downgrade that S&P essentially blamed on GOP intransigence. He claimed that all taxpayers got from the 2009 stimulus was “more debt,” when most got a tax cut (and the stimulus is known to have saved between 1.4 and 3.3 million jobs). He derided the president for walking away from the Simpson Bowles commission deficit-cutting recommendations when Ryan himself, a commission member, voted against those recommendations.

salon.com

Verbal Kint

August 30th, 2012
8:55 am

About the Janesville plant, you folks need to go back and read what Ryan said which was this:

“Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.” That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.”

Obama was telling them that under his watch that plant would be there for another 100 years. At the time, Janesville was manufacturing SUVs and that production stopped in 2008. The plant was not officially closed until 2009. Meanwhile, the folks at Fisker Auto were getting ready to receive stimulus money for their electric vehicle, which, by the way, has been a WHOPPING success. Right.

The timeline from the Milwaukee Journal is here:
http://www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 30th, 2012
8:59 am

Mitt needs to shake that etch a sketch tonight.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 30th, 2012
9:02 am

“Does he think the American electorate is dumb?”

Well, you did elect Obama, so yeah, the American electorate IS dumb.

MikeB

August 30th, 2012
9:03 am

So.. I’m not going to go all crazy about a GM Plant closing… President Obama made a campaign promise out on the trail.. Last I checked it was the Dems who controled Congress the last 2 years of Bush’s 2nd term, but I digress…….
Here are some real issues that have done real damage…….

1.President Obama’s administration leaked sensitive data for political gain…..

2. The Obama administration took a “green energy” agenda and used it as cover to repay campaign debts(Solyndra anyone?) $500 million is some repayment! Recently Exelon came to light…. How much has this repayment cost tax payers? Again???

3. AG Holder lies and Obama swears to it with “Executive Privilege” on F&F
(Yes Bush started the program, but he ran it with the full cooperation and knowledge of our neighbor Mexico….. Thats being a respectful neighbor/partner BTW…. Bush also shut it down when it was underperforming). What did Obama/Holder do? Started the program back up (very Solyndra like huh)and kept Mexico in the dark…..

These are just 3 very diverse examples of the failed/corrupted leadership we have presently…. There are more and those situations are considerably more important to the issues of trust than Ryan’s recall of a timeline. Our country has lost our way under Obama. We are both the engine & rudder on the ship of the world. If we don’t run (and make no mistake, we are sputtering at best presently) we will wind up “being run”…. Nobody wants that. Romney/Ryan 2012…

BuckeyeInGa

August 30th, 2012
9:11 am

What did Holder lie about? sources?

gm

August 30th, 2012
9:19 am

jconservative

Rice is another pawn in the rep plateform, this women had the nerve to use civil rights history in front of people who families caused the hurt and pain of thousands of blacks.

Rice has no more connection to the black community then Paul Ryan, every 4 years we have to watch the rep party bring some black person and parade them around on stage so they can say we have one who has made it dispite the abuse and terror we have inflicted on them.

For Rice to sit there and support a party that will destroy medicare, education, poor programs for children, erase any credibility that she has with cilvil right history.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 30th, 2012
9:23 am

Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan may carry himself with an air of earnestness, but at his heart, he’s a liar. What other determination could one make after Ryan’s compendium of distortions and outright untruths, delivered Wednesday night to the Republican National Convention?

Whether falsely claiming that President Barack Obama was looting funding from Medicare to pay for health-care reform, blaming the president for the nation’s credit-rating downgrade that came about as an unprecedented refusal by congressional leaders to raise the debt ceiling (a maneuver Ryan helped to lead), or accusing his opponent of refusing to to implement the recommendations of a bipartisan commission on the debt whose final report Ryan voted against, the Wisconsin congressman proved himself willing to hoodwink the American people with a smile on his boyish face.

alternet.org

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 30th, 2012
9:26 am

gm, I’m sorry, but you’re unhinged.

“this women had the nerve to use civil rights history in front of people who families caused the hurt and pain of thousands of blacks. ”

Really? What hurt and pain are you writing about?

“so they can say we have one who has made it dispite the abuse and terror we have inflicted on them. ”

Really? What abuse and terror are you writing about?

“For Rice to sit there and support a party that will destroy medicare, education, poor programs for children,”

Really? Please detail the specific current plans you have seen from Republicans which will do the above.

td

August 30th, 2012
9:29 am

antinewt

August 30th, 2012
8:35 am

Heehee, AC/DC and Zeplin are what young people are listening to? Yeah, Ryan’s really gonna help with the youth vote.

Making such a statement shows how little you understand about politics. This line was intended for the 35 to 49 year old white suburban women and making a connection with them. The young peoples line was the one about looking at the faded Obama picture on their childhood wall after they finished college and can not find a job now.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 30th, 2012
9:30 am

What does it say about a poster who never has his own opinions, but merely cuts and pastes those of others?

Myrmidon.