Want more from Romney, Obama? Vote with your remote
The presidential race begins in earnest over the next two weeks with the nominating conventions, and we’ll get under way with the start of the GOP gathering Monday night. Unless you don’t have cable, in which case you’re stuck with “Hawaii Five-O.”
That’s right: CBS plans to air a rerun of a remake rather than a primetime speech by Mitt Romney’s wife Ann. ABC is going with “Bachelor Pad” rather than remarks by tea-party favorite Rand Paul of Kentucky.
When you hear the GOP is just a bunch of old, white males, recall that NBC offered you “Stars Earn Stripes” instead of Alabama Democrat-turned-Republican Artur Davis; Senate nominee Ted Cruz of Texas; the Indian-American governor of South Carolina, Nikki Haley; Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington; and Lucé Vela Fortuño, wife of Puerto Rico’s governor.
Hey, at least it’s a new episode.
This election is a critical inflection point for our country. Why would the networks bail on any of the nights? (At least the cable news channels are sticking with the news; the networks will air a single hour of convention coverage the other three nights.)
Maybe it’s because the airwaves are already thick with negative campaign spots. Peggy Noonan, in the Wall Street Journal, had the line of the campaign so far, about what folks are doing while they tune out the vitriol: “That sound you hear after the Obama attack ad is not cheers, it’s toilets flushing.”
Yet, Noonan counts herself as one who thinks voters would like to hear more from the candidates, if they talk about themselves and their plans. So do I. The conventions are one such opportunity.
Maybe the conventions are less than must-see TV because they are so stage-managed, so — ironically — made-for-TV.
It wasn’t always thus. At the 1880 GOP convention, James Garfield arrived in Chicago to nominate fellow Ohioan John Sherman and left town, 36 ballots later, as the party’s reluctant nominee. Imagine if there were even a slim possibility Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who was scheduled to introduce Romney on Thursday night, could, as Garfield did, wind up atop the ticket. (Note: As of Friday afternoon, Tropical Storm Isaac was forcing the GOP to consider pre-emptive changes to its convention schedule to minimize any disruption.)
In 1912, William Howard Taft fought off a hostile takeover bid by his fellow Republican and predecessor in the White House, Theodore Roosevelt. As late as 1964, moderate Republicans thought TV coverage of their proceedings would spark a backlash against presumptive nominee Barry Goldwater and produce a different standard bearer (they were wrong).
Either way, we know this year’s conventions won’t be the last we hear from Mitt Romney or Barack Obama. Amazingly, this was not always the case, either.
In her account of Garfield’s rise to the White House and eventual assassination, “Destiny of the Republic,” Candice Millard describes what the 1880 campaign was like for the Republican nominee:
“Although [Garfield] argued that he should ‘take the stump and bear a fighting share in the campaign,’ traveling from town to town and asking for votes was considered undignified for a presidential candidate. Abraham Lincoln had not given a single speech on his own behalf during either of his campaigns, and Rutherford B. Hayes advised Garfield to do the same. ‘Sit crosslegged,’ he said, ‘and look wise.’ “p. 59
Fat chance Romney or Obama would take Hayes’ advice today.
Nor should they. We need to hear more from them. If you agree, then, during these conventions, vote with your remote.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Liberal Pariah
August 25th, 2012
8:37 am
Where’s my post?
Uncle Billy
August 25th, 2012
8:40 am
Kyle, I watched much of the last national convention to go beyond the first ballot. It was the Democratic National Convention in 1952 which nominated Adlai Stevenson on the third ballot. This is why the networks do not broadcast much of them. Besides, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and C-Span will broadcast most of both conventions. So the public will have a chance to watch Ann Romney’s speech. Unfortunately we will not get a chance to see George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. I would be very interested in hearing what they have to say for themselves.–Bill Clinton will be front and center.—There will be the debates to hear what the candidates have to say.
@@
August 25th, 2012
8:51 am
There will be the debates to hear what the candidates have to say.
And debates are only as good as the moderators posing the questions.
The Commission on Presidential Debates has now announced the names of 2012’s chosen referees: CNN’s Candy Crowley, PBS’s Jim Lehrer and CBS’s Bob Schieffer will preside over the three presidential debates; ABC’s Martha Raddatz will host the sole vice presidential debate. While the debate panel trumpeted the gender diversity of its picks, the chromosomal diversity is far outweighed by the political uniformity, class conformity and geographical homogeneity of the group.
Why Brett Baier (sp?) or Chris Wallace weren’t included is “a mystery.”
schnirt
Based on what I’ve seen, they’re the only ones willing to deliver the hard-hitting questions to both parties.
kayaker 71
August 25th, 2012
8:53 am
Rush put it pretty well yesterday….. He stated that Bozo wanted to see Romney’s tax return so he could show his voter base what a tax return looks like. Out of the mouths of babes…….
the red herring
August 25th, 2012
9:19 am
not wanting to hear more from obama doesn’t equal being a racist. we simply HAVE heard from him EVERY day since he’s been elected and it’s gotten boresome and has us over 5 trillion more in the hole than when he was elected. oblamo needs to stand up like a man and say “i was wrong and I wasted far too much taxpayer money—i will learn from my mistakes” but you’ll never hear him say that so it’s time for him to go otherwise we will have a depression and it will be much worse. We may still have a depression if we can’t get things downsized to a point we can afford them in Wash. D.C.. and that will require getting harry reid out of the leadership of the senate as well as defeating obama. it’s a very simple choice–want more jobs, less welfare, and to see washington d.c. downsized—obama is not the answer—romney may be –time will tell (as well as how the senate looks).
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 25th, 2012
9:24 am
kayaker, even rarer to an Obozo voter’s eyes is a tax return where taxes are actually paid, rather than merely a form filled out to get their EITC…
Old Timer
August 25th, 2012
9:56 am
If you have Cable or Satellite Fox News will have 4 hours of conventions each night. The obama atack ads turned me off when they started. No substance just trying to divert attention off a sorry term in office trying to remake America for his daddy.
Michael H. Smith
August 25th, 2012
10:14 am
EITC: Guess what political party created that program?
md
August 25th, 2012
10:14 am
All one needs to know about Debbie……at least her agenda is “transparent”:
“Do you at least acknowledge that the quote that you gave from “The L.A. Times” is completely incorrect?” Cooper asked, after a back-and-forth over Romney’s record on allowing for abortions in certain instances, like rape.
“No, I don’t acknowledge that. I know that is what you’re saying,” Wasserman Schultz shot back. When he started to read the quote, she interrupted, “Anderson, what I’m saying is, it doesn’t matter.”
“I think what you say does matter,” he said. “You’re quoting the LA Times and, again, you’ve misquoted them to back up a position.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80088.html
md
August 25th, 2012
10:17 am
And for those that may be a bit slow, what she is saying is “My mission is to slander Romney….it “doesn’t matter HOW I do that as that is my mission”.
Michael H. Smith
August 25th, 2012
10:21 am
Her mission, like that of all the other democrats of her ilk is to LIE,LIE,LIE,LIE until not a shred of truth can be found.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 25th, 2012
10:37 am
Gee, another Democrat caught in an outright lie.
You know you’ve got nothing else to run on when your fawning sycophants in the media are going after you.
Joe the Prophet
August 25th, 2012
11:22 am
ATTENTION ALL CHRISTIANS..!!! Do not let political hatred and media manipulation lead you down the road of sin and hypocrisy…
TURN TO YOUR BIBLE..!!! There is no mention of fetus’ nor corporations…These are man-made issues, created for political opportunism….
THE BIBLE DOES ADDRESS CULTISM, FALSE-PROPHECY, HYPOCRISY, AND GREED….These are REAL CHRISTIAN VALUES…..The Bible teaches us COMPASSION…!!!!!
I urge you to protest the 2012 CONVENTION OF SIN in Tampa, FL this week. LOOK INSIDE YOUR HEART AND YOUR SOUL..!!!!
1 Timothy 2:5
Matthew 5:22
Matthew 7:15-16
2 Peter 2: 3-14
Job 8:13
2 Corinthians 13:5-6
James 1: 2-6
James 2:14-26
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 25th, 2012
11:28 am
I see our resident religious bigot has been released from the drunk-tank early this weekend.
@@
August 25th, 2012
11:59 am
Joe:
There is no mention of fetus’ nor corporations…These are man-made issues, created for political opportunism
I somewhat agree, HOWEVER…
I’ll be satisfied when the special interest groups (that includes politicians) address alternatives as frequently as they do abortion rights.
Rarely, if ever, do I hear politicians seeking ways to simplify or make less costly, the adoption process.
Infertility among women is on the rise. Putting off having children in favor of careers comes with risks all-around.
Childless by Choice
More people decide against having children, presenting quandaries for governments and the elderly
Erwin's cat
August 25th, 2012
12:07 pm
Wasserman is an idiot, and yet her party embraces her dishonest behavior….speaks volumes to those that can listen
Skip
August 25th, 2012
12:28 pm
I see the cops shot all nine NY bystanders. I guess we do need more guns to keep us safe, from the cops. Wonder what would have happened if someone shot a cop in self defense?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 25th, 2012
12:35 pm
I guess it could have been worse, Skip. Wasn’t it just a few years ago they pumped 30+ shots into one suspect?
JamVet
August 25th, 2012
12:38 pm
The televised “debates” are a farce for the addicts who can’t get enough Tard TV.
First and foremost, they are not debates, they are parallel interviews.
They are put on by the by the tools in the corporate lame stream media (the American version of TASS) who act as a sort of public relations agency for the US Government.
And they are orchestrated by the perverted Commission on Presidential Debates – the equivalent of the Politburo – who got their start in 1987 and are run by and exclusively for the benefit of whom? The Democratic and Republican Parties. Which is awesome for them, but terribly costly and detrimental to the nation.
So you Party Sheep keep on playing your mindless Republicrat and Demopublican finger pointing games, while the United States of America slowly goes down the toilet and the working people, the ones who built this country, get shafted decade after decade after decade.
About the only thing the “debates” are good for are the comedic value. As in the time when those three stooges raised their hands when asked if they did not believe in evolution.
Stuck on stupid as force fed to you by ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and Fox…
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
12:44 pm
Watched 15 minutes of CNN last night, Anderson Cooper, just to hear the other side. He had this Gloria Borger on and she had just finished an interview with Romney that is going to air sometime soon. When AC would ask her what Romney said about X, she would give the answer and then invariably say, “if you can believe him”. Why Romney took the time to do this interview is beyond me.
Both Borger and A/C thought the funny he told about the birth certificate was just the most divisive and negative thing anyone had ever done. Their faces were so contorted you would have thought they were watching the Batman Movie shooting live, all over a stupid joke.
CNN, is all in for Obama, apparently they no longer even feign objectivity. I guess they think they can improve their ratings by emulating MSNBC. Unfortunately there are a few thousand people who continue to watch.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
12:46 pm
Jamvet
Disappointed that they didn’t invite Roseanne Barr or Cynthia McKinney?
Sam
August 25th, 2012
12:47 pm
Are you asking me to believe that the mainsteam media has a liberal bias? Wow, this comes as quite a shock.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
12:49 pm
Skip
Wonder what would have happened if someone shot a cop in self defense?
Good question, if you are armed and a cop is shooting at you, even by mistake, can you legally take him out, if it looks like he might shoot at you again. Guess, in NYC, you should just do the right thing and take one between the eyes, to ensure peace and prosperity for all.
JamVet
August 25th, 2012
12:53 pm
Rafe, It’s OK.
Apparently someone has to play the role of imitating a sixth grader on these forums and you do it very well.
Kudos.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
12:56 pm
Backups for the three debate hosts if they are indisposed on debate night.
Candy Crowley= Nancy Pelosi
Bob Schieffer= Hairy the Reed
Jim Lehrer =Chuckie Schumer, the intellectual of the bunch.
Romney really has the deck stacked against him!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 25th, 2012
1:01 pm
“Apparently someone has to play the role of imitating a sixth grader on these forums and you do it very well.”
This from the poster who uses the words:
Tard
Party Sheep
mindless
stooges
and stupid.
The irony is thick this afternoon. But it’s not the only thing that is thick . . .
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
1:04 pm
JamVet
Just attempting to raise the intellectual quality of the Lib comments to at least sixth grade level, glad you noticed.
I didn’t notice any solution to the problem you mentioned regarding the debates. You don’t like either candidate, the debates, the moderators, or the system. You have never told us who you plan to vote for this time, since Ralph Nader is sitting this one out and Harold Stassen is dead.
JamVet
August 25th, 2012
1:16 pm
Lil Tibby, ALWAYS has to put in his two cents too, doesn’t he?
He has been droolingly obsessed with me for many, many months and in spite of multiple banishments for his loutish comments and endless personal insults, he just can’t quit me.
Today is example number four hundred and thirty seven.
Tis true, that big nose and mouth of his has gotten him in more trouble than seven normal bloggers, but he still can’t figure it out!
Which is enormously entertaining, but tedious.
I didn’t notice any solution to the problem you mentioned regarding the debates.
What???
As if YOU, of all people, really think there is a “problem” with the debates? C’mon, who are you trying to kid? For you, Republibots and your counterparts in the Republibot-lite Party, things are perfect, just the way they are.
Of course, there are fixes to this televised farce, but like most party apparatchiks, you could care less.
So go ahead and do what you have always done and will always do – watch them as if they really matter.
marko
August 25th, 2012
1:38 pm
It’s strange how often conservatives refer to themselves as “the real Americans” Shake their family tree a bit ,and you’ll find their ancestors wore grey uniforms, and fought to abandon the country they profess to love. Mitt we’re to believe is the real American that doesn’t need to show his birth certificate because he was born in Michigan. That’s true but his father was born in Mexico because his grand parents had abandoned the land of their birth because the evil government had banned polygamy. Patriots that desert their country because they didn’t get their way. I’m sorry but you come across more like spoiled children than patriots fighting for liberty. What freaking rights are you being denied this time? Some evil bureaucrat take away your slaves. Evil government thugs won’t let you force you fourteen year old daughter to marry your sixty year old buddy. Enlighten me. Just when did the evil Kenyan steal your freedom. Did you file a report with the police? If so, we’d like to see the long form copy.
md
August 25th, 2012
1:39 pm
“I see the cops shot all nine NY bystanders.”
I’d wager that all 9 would be happy to do it again vs being on the sidewalk with a guy shooting and 0 cops on hand……..
I’d also wager those killed in the theater that night also would have preferred to be wounded with a cops strat bullet vs being at the mercy of the lone gunman………..
Skip, you really owe it to yourself to listen to this lady’s story….and at least listen to it in describing the loss of her parents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEJFAvA-ZUE
md
August 25th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Shake their family tree a bit ,and you’ll find their ancestors wore grey uniforms, and fought to abandon the country they profess to love.”
You killed any credibility you may have had the minute you used this broad brush…..you really expect people to believe that ALL conservatives originated in the south??
But thanks for the chuckle……….
ktbl
August 25th, 2012
1:42 pm
With the Presidential Election drawing near; 99 percent of America’s voter are angry. You might say, angry for what; here it is, 99 percent don’t like President Obama being the president of the United States; he did not do what many of us wanted, low gas prices, jobs, economy to become better, housing market to get back where it was, etc., and now Romney is in the race bring the same issues up; not many of his own party want him or Ryan, and romney lied to his own state just as he is trying to lie in order to get elected. We all are angry because we let job go overseas, we talk with people over seas for customer service when we need our own english speaking personnel; we are saling good for other countires and can’t sale our own, look the automobiles industry of the countries right here in America. We permit things for others people who are not citizens, and yet, we hate our own kind and do wahtever we can to keep them from this or that; we let our own government official to lie and not be accountable after all we elect them into office. Sad for many of us, we can’t even realize that we are hurting ourselves when we don’t treat one and other the same because we feel that being seperate will get us somehwere…..and it really don’t. We are angry because we are suffering at the hands of those who ave stolen from us and took what we save up and yet, those who have did that are not even prosecuted; we are angry because we are treated different fromt those wo took our money to make their and yet, we are helded accountable for the actions of those who have commited the crimes against us. No matter who speak at the upcoming convention, it really don’t matter. Ryan, Romney will embrass them selves; it is like a job that you have to work and really don’t like it; but you have to understand…..it’s how the game is played. I don’t care about the party I have elected to serve; what is important is America is angry over the state of how we the
people are being treated.
snoqualmiefalls
August 25th, 2012
1:45 pm
Ahh yes the GOPTEA Party in Tampa, anyone going to watch the display of ideology?
“I am frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “a” “b” or “c”… Just who do they think they are? and from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? AU H2O US Senate 1981.. For the kids without any knowledge of history that is Republican Barry Goldwater… still relevent today considering the make up of the GOPTEA Party.
marko
August 25th, 2012
1:52 pm
md, I should have qualified my statement. many wore grey uniforms. sorry about that. your point was well taken.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
1:55 pm
So go ahead and do what you have always done and will always do – watch them as if they really matter.
They do matter for rational people.
The self identified “elite” who sit around, pretend to be above the fray because they are so much smarter, more intellectual, deeper in thought, concepts, and ideas than the common voter, do NOT matter much. They matter little in the scheme of things. Why, because every one of these people are so selfish and feel so much more intellectually superior than the next person, who thinks they too are elite, that they can never come together, organize, and accomplish anything of substance.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 25th, 2012
2:02 pm
“and in spite of multiple banishments”
I expect more from a Vietnam vet than lies, AmVet.
Only banned once.
Liar.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
2:09 pm
I’d wager that all 9 would be happy to do it again vs being on the sidewalk with a guy shooting and 0 cops on hand……..
md
That is pure bunk. A bullet does just as much damage when fired from a friendly source as from an enemy. These people are paid to protect, not to injure accidentally. If they can’t shoot straight they should get on the range and practice. If they don’t know who the bad guy is, watch for awhile before shooting the first person you see.
One of the chief arguments the lefties throw out, when someone mentions we need more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, is that you fools will be shooting yourselves or injuring innocent bystanders. But, that is ok for the police?
Reminds me of a police shoot out, I think Geraldo featured a year of so ago, of Los Angeles police shooting at a guy in a car. They had the car in a crossfire and after firing hundreds of rounds at the car, they never hit the driver and they found like two actually struck the car. If they are not any more effective with their shots than this, they should keep them in the holsters.
They are more likely to do harm than good.
JamVet
August 25th, 2012
2:19 pm
They do matter for rational people.
Hysterical.
Like I said, LOTS and LOTS of tools for the GOP and Democratic parties.
Good luck with all of that invaluable information that you pick up there from CNN and NBC, Rafie.
Only banned once.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You got canned three times at JB’s alone!
That is how you got your forever on vacation status/permanent banishment over there, or have you “forgotten” all about that, Mr. Three Strikes and You’re Out? LOL.
And how many more times here? (Even Kyle gets sick of you con’s school yard antics.)
OK, back out into the wild blue yonder once again, while you spend your entire day here frothing and foaming…
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
2:22 pm
NYC, where the odds of being shot by a policeman are far greater than the odds of being shot by a rogue gunman. Can’t get much safer than that!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 25th, 2012
2:28 pm
JamVet
I’m gone, if the irrational rantings of a selfish, grumpy, old man are what pass for intellectual conversation, no need to stick around.
Karl Rove
August 25th, 2012
2:33 pm
Good job again my boy Kyle
You failed to mention that this the second GOP convention in a row where God is punishing our party with a hurricane threat while that commie Kenyan, Obama got nominated in 2008 at an open air stadium with great weather. Keep the gfocus instead on the lamestream commie media especially NBC- hate them. People will have to watch Fox to get real unbiased News.
Like how you diverted the readers to that Presidebt Garfield nonsense instead of telling them why the GOP yanked their platform from the internet and heaven forbid -TV . if they saw that it would look like we let Todd Aiken back in the tent and had no use for women- greta diversion tactic.
Keep up the attacks on NBC instead of talking about Romney’s taxes. I do not know why people want to see them -who cares if his disclosure forms to the commission were not accurate?
Remember again Kyle if you pass gas in public always blame it on the other guy especially if he is not one of those rich white guys.
JB
August 25th, 2012
3:12 pm
Don’ worry About Mitt, I think Ann runs this show
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 25th, 2012
3:32 pm
Americans aren’t worried about President Romney, First Lady Ann, or VP Ryan. They love their country and want what’s best for it.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 25th, 2012
3:38 pm
marko: It’s strange how often conservatives refer to themselves as “the real Americans”
———-
Democrats lost the right to be thought of as Americans when they openly rooted for our men and women in Iraq to lose.
Democrats: Not Americans.
Bruno
August 25th, 2012
3:50 pm
Tip o’ the cap to Neil Armstrong who passed away today. It takes a lot of courage to do what he did, more than I have.
Bruno
August 25th, 2012
3:52 pm
If anyone is looking for a little comic relief, here’s the military version of “Call Me Maybe”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EjLbVmXIqg
Hillbilly D
August 25th, 2012
4:01 pm
And debates are only as good as the moderators posing the questions.
That’s why there really are no Presidential debates; they’re really just joint news conferences. What they really need to do is have one moderator to enforce time constraint rules and let them have at it, ask each other, anything they want to. That will never happen, though, because the talking heads have to interject themselves into the process because they see themselves as important. And any talking head involved in the debate knows if he/she can land that one “gotcha” blow against one of the participants, their stock will skyrocket in the performer/journalist world. It can be that golden ticket to more fame and more money.
I wonder how the talking heads think the country survived all those years before there was television and we had them to help the Great Unwashed “understand” what we just saw and heard.
If CONS Stop Telling Lies About the DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS will stop Telling The Truth About CONS
August 25th, 2012
4:12 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 25th, 2012
3:38 pm
marko: It’s strange how often conservatives refer to themselves as “the real Americans”
———-
Democrats lost the right to be thought of as Americans when they openly rooted for our men and women in Iraq to lose.
Democrats: Not Americans.
*****************************************************************************
CONS lost the right to be thought of as Americans when they LIED ABOUT
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
CONS: Unamerican LIARS
Bruno
August 25th, 2012
4:13 pm
That will never happen, though, because the talking heads have to interject themselves into the process because they see themselves as important.
HD–I have to believe that the candidates themselves prefer the “joint new conference” format as well so that they can stick to their scripts and get their talking points in. I don’t think any of them relish direct debate, with the exception of Newt Gingrich.
If CONS Stop Telling Lies About the DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS will Stop Telling The Truth About CONS
August 25th, 2012
4:17 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 25th, 2012
3:32 pm
Americans aren’t worried about President Romney, First Lady Ann, or VP Ryan. They love their country and want what’s best for it.
*************************************************************************
Americans BETTER WORRY about MYTH ROBME THE LIAR, His Partner in
Crime Ms. Ann and Mr. Ryan Shame the MEDISCARE MAN.
THEY LOVE THEIR MONEY MORE THAN THEY LOVE AMERICA.
WHERE ARE THE TAX RETURNS. Cayman, Swiss, Bahamas?
Boooooooooooo!