So far, Obama’s Mediscare attacks aren’t working
From The Fix at the Washington Post (headline: “Seniors [heart] Paul Ryan”), a result that cannot be received well at Obama 2012 headquarters:
Grandma isn’t scared of Paul Ryan.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows 41 percent of Americans view the new GOP vice presidential nominee favorably, while 37 percent rate him unfavorably — slightly improved from last week’s polling.
Among seniors, though, the numbers are even better for Ryan: 50 percent favorable and 35 percent unfavorable. Fully one-third of seniors say they have a strongly favorable view of the Wisconsin congressman, while one-quarter have a strongly unfavorable view.
In fact, those seniors whose view of Ryan is “strongly favorable” virtually tie all those who view him unfavorably to any degree, 33 percent to 35 percent. This suggests seniors don’t buy Democrats’ false attacks that Ryan and Mitt Romney would change the deal for current retirees.
For the record, that “slightly improved” standing for Ryan among all age groups is a move from a net minus-3 to a net plus-4. Meanwhile, the ranks of the undecided fell by 17 percentage points. That means more than two-thirds of those who settled on an opinion of Ryan during the past week now view him favorably. (No breakdown of seniors’ opinion in the earlier poll is available, so we have no trend for their views.)
More broadly, President Obama’s lead over Romney in the Real Clear Politics average of polls has fallen from 4.7 percentage points the day after Romney introduced Ryan as his running mate to 1.5 points today.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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1961_Xer
August 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm
First
Just saying..
August 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm
Pre-Akin, one guesses…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
Cons still gonna lose by a landslide in November.
1961_Xer
August 22nd, 2012
12:14 pm
1. Everyone knows that the current arc-of-Medicare spending is unsustainable.
2. Most folks know that Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare. This blunts any Mediscare tactics by the left
3. If Republicans really wanted to gut Medicare, they had 6 years of W’s administration to attempt to do so. They had control of the House, Senate and WH.
From these three points, we can ascertain that something needs to be done about Medicare, Democrats are (currently) gutting it, and attempts to portray the Republicans as evil in this scheme look like a lie. At least the Republicans have put forth ideas… Dems have only attempted to demagogue those ideas while NOT suggesting anything at all and (in fact) gutting Medicare behind the scenes.
Folks are wising up the the fact that something has to be done, and the Dems have no intention of doing anything at all (except what they have already done).
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm
1961
You seem to be speaking with fork tongue.
If Democrats are gutting it then how have they done nothing?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm
2. Most folks know that Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare. This blunts any Mediscare tactics by the left
Wrong. Obamacare get’s to $716 billion by cuts to what is given to health care providers — it’s not a cut to recipients.
The health care providers AGREED to the cuts because they realized they would be offset by the larger pool of users.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm
Democrats’ false attacks that Ryan and Mitt Romney would change the deal for current retirees
Wait, the Cons have a plan? More than a guideline with lots of generalities? Oh, wait, isn’t that the Ryan plan? But Mitt says he is using his own plan. What does Mitt’s plan say about current seniors?
Auntie Christ
August 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm
Also from the same column Kyle is quoting from:
Polling still shows that Ryan’s plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program is an unpopular idea; a Pew poll on Tuesday shows 34 percent of American adults favor the plan, while 49 percent oppose it.
And: Obama leads in NBC/WSJ poll: A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows Obama leading Romney 48 percent to 44 percent.
So all of this proves what, exactly? Absolutely nothing. Quoting polls is a fruitless enterprise, sound and fury signifying nothing.
iggy
August 22nd, 2012
12:24 pm
MediScare isnt working and Obama hasnt put in an honest days work his entire life.
Simon
August 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm
crank up the death panels. the greatest generation can show their grandchildren unconditional love and off themselves.
Just saying..
August 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
1961_Xer: August 22nd, 2012;12:14 pm-1. Everyone knows that the current arc-of-Medicare spending is unsustainable.
2. Most folks know that Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare. This blunts any Mediscare tactics by the left
3. If Republicans really wanted to gut Medicare, they had 6 years of W’s administration to attempt to do so. They had control of the House, Senate and WH….At least the Republicans have put forth ideas…
Actually, more than ideas: Medicare Part B.
Don’t be bashful Xer, be proud!
Mr. Holmes
August 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm
Out of curiosity, Kyle, what do you think of Jennifer Rubin’s work at WaPo?
SlickRick - glad to not have to worry about suffering through Myth Robme and The Boy Wonder's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm
What of the fact that Robme ‘n Lyin’s plan will hasten the insolvency of Medicare and increase patient costs?
How about the WSJ’s poll showing some alarmingly negative indicators for the Robme ‘n Lyin ticket.
I see your crappy stats and raise you some non-crappy stats.
Steven
August 22nd, 2012
12:30 pm
That’s what you think! I see that the attacks ARE working!
MarkV
August 22nd, 2012
12:30 pm
Some people believe the lie that “Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare.” But what if they learn the truth?
Just saying..
August 22nd, 2012
12:32 pm
iggy: August 22nd, 2012-12:24 pm-…Obama hasnt put in an honest days work his entire life.
So only Mexican day laborers should be President?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
12:32 pm
Another trillion-dollar deficit.
Thanks, Democrats.
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
Lil’ Barry – i’ll take the Dems’ trillion-dollar deficit over the Regressives’ multi-trillion dollar deficitS any day.
Just saying..
August 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 22nd, 2012-12:32 pm-Another trillion-dollar deficit.
Thanks, Democrats.
Deficit cause #1. Bush tax cuts
Deficit cause #2. Two foreign wars
Deficit cause #3. Medicare Part B
Douglas
August 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
Finn says:
Wrong. Obamacare get’s to $716 billion by cuts to what is given to health care providers — it’s not a cut to recipients.
The health care providers AGREED to the cuts because they realized they would be offset by the larger pool of users.
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You must not be talking about all providers. Doctors had no say in it, so they did not agree to any cuts. What good is a large pool of users if the fees are so low that it’s a money losing proposition to service medicare users? Good luck trying to get a doctor to see you through medicare. And good luck on getting the best and brightest to continue to choose medicine as a career if Obamacare isn’t repealed.
Scott Fresno
August 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm
The $700 million is a cut in Medicare reimbursements to hospitals and insurers, not benefits for older Americans. If Romney restores it, it would actually increase premiums and co-payments for Medicare beneficiaries by $100s.
Beneficiaries, through their premiums and co-payments, share the cost of Medicare with the government. If Medicare’s costs increase — for instance, by raising payments to health care providers — so, too, do beneficiaries’ contributions.
Thanks for nothing, Romney!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm
Hilarious…now the libtards blame Our President Bush for creating Medicare Part B!
Idiots.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm
The Vegas betting line:
Obama to win: 5/2
Romney to Win: 15/8
You cons need to get locked in on those odds now!
Oh, almost forgot one:
Ryan’s wife to Win, Place, and Show: 1/2.
That’s a sure thing!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
12:44 pm
OOOPS, the Obama line should be 2/5….my bad!
Jefferson
August 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
Its the young candy asses that would let them take a program that they work and pay for and let it get sold out so wealthy americans can get huge tax cuts who need to wake up. You will not be able to buy insurance on your own nor will you save money to supplement retirement. Face the facts it won’t happen.
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
How can any President run deficits without the direct approval and assistance of the House?
Does the House have the ability to close the checkbook any longer or as that changed?
Mr. Holmes
August 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
now the libtards blame Our President Bush for creating Medicare Part B!
??? I think a couple posters have meant to refer to Medicare Part D, which covers prescription drugs and indeed went into effect in 2006, after being championed by President George W. Bush.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm
good luck on getting the best and brightest to continue to choose medicine as a career if Obamacare isn’t repealed.
So now thousands of young doctors are going to choose the ministry instead of health care? Or maybe they will become bus drivers instead? Whaaaaaaaaaa.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm
Did Obozo make Medicare Part D (which Our President Bush ran on and implemented) less expensive or more expensive?
And if it’s such a budget buster, why hasn’t Obozo done anything about it?
Obozo: America-hating do-nothing on entitlement spending.
jconservative
August 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm
“Another trillion-dollar deficit. Thanks, Democrats.”
Thank the Republican House also. Every penny spent was approved by Congress.
I always like to give credit to those who earn it.
Red
August 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm
Having not reached the age of 55 yet, I wonder how many months of private health insurance I will be able to buy when and if I reach age 70 with my $8000 voucher?
Assuming costs don’t go up, the average private insurance for a 70 year old with ‘average’ health conditioning, I’m sure, will probably be not more than $700 a month and there will be plenty of private for profit companies waiting to offer me their notion of ‘affordable’ private health insurance.
What could possibly go wrong with that plan?
cc
August 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
Auntie Christ:
“So all of this proves what, exactly? Absolutely nothing. Quoting polls is a fruitless enterprise, sound and fury signifying nothing.”
Finally, a point we agree upon.
The only polls that count are those where voters cast a vote.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
ooooooooooo la la: Does the House have the ability to close the checkbook any longer or as that changed?
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Not while the Senate and Obozo are obstructing.
cc
August 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
Red:
“Having not reached the age of 55 yet, I wonder how many months of private health insurance I will be able to buy when and if I reach age 70 with my $8000 voucher?”
You can always elect to stay in the MediCare program.
What’s the problem?
SMMcMahon
August 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
Romney/Ryan “mean it” when it comes to eviscerating government as a tool to help the middle class and improve society:
They would end Medicare and replace it with inadequate vouchers, thereby causing recipients to pay $6,000 – $13,000 more per year. They would raise taxes on the middle class by up to $2,000 per year — and destroy the government’s ability to invest in infrastructure, education, and other necessary things.
But when it comes to reducing the deficit, they are as much if not more of a fraud as virtually every other conservative for the past thirty years. The “savings” from all of Romney/Ryan’s proposed cuts and tax increases wouldn’t go to reducing the deficit. Instead, they would go to increasing military spending, and to $4.3 trillion in tax giveaways to millionaires and billionaires. Under Ryan’s plan, Romney would have paid less than 1% in taxes in 2010.
As for the national debt, Ryan’s proposal would lead to an increase in the national debt from its 2010 level of 60% of GDP to a peak of nearly 175% by 2050 and remain at 100% or more of GDP through 2080.
In short, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney aren’t offering a serious conversation about deficits. Instead, they are offering the GOP agenda of taking from the middle class to give to the wealthy on steroids.
SMMcMahon
August 22nd, 2012
12:53 pm
This guy said it all:
“Mitt Romney does not need to release any more income tax returns. The 2010 return that he did release clearly shows what he has in mind, if he and Paul Ryan have their way.
Romney and Ryan both want to drop the tax rate on interest, dividends and capital gains to zero. They have said this repeatedly. I am not an expert on taxes, far from it, but let’s look at just a few items from Mitt’s 2010 tax return: $3.3 million in interest, $5 million in dividends and $12.5 million in capital gains. Gee, how about that? All taxed at 15 percent. $.5 million ordinary income from speaking fees, probably taxed at the 35 percent level. His charitable giving was $1.5 million in cash and $1.5 million in non-cash. His taxable rate is said to be 13.9 percent for this year. IF MR. ROMNEY and Mr. RYAN THEIR WISH, MR. ROMNEY WOULD HAVE A TAX RATE OF LESS THAN 1%.
Would you trust someone to run this country, a person that uses every means possible to avoid paying taxes to the Federal and state governments, has numerous off-shore accounts and will not release even 5 years of his tax returns? Who has said many times, in so many words, that he wanted to drop the tax rates to zero on 95 percent of his income, should he become president and has lied about his tax returns before, while running for governor? And took a $77 thousand business deduction for his wife’s dancing horse?
Or would you want a person that has released 12 years of tax returns, wants to raise very slightly the top marginal tax rate for the very wealthiest people and leave the tax rate the same for 95 percent of the taxpayers? Is that really a tough question? Not for me. I am voting for Barack Obama, a man of the people, by the people and for the people.”
DAVID M. JUSTICE
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
Red: What could possibly go wrong with that plan?
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Your own greed for other people’s money might lead you to vote Democrat and obstruct needed reforms, for one.
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
Douglas
You are aware that med school aps, including in the state of GA, are on the increase across the nation, right?
Maybe talk radio or your favorite tv pundit didn’t mention it to you, but it is fact
Mr. Holmes
August 22nd, 2012
12:55 pm
Lil Barry: Your argument keeps changing. First you ridiculed “libtards” for claiming George W. Bush created Medicare Part D, which actually was championed by and created under the watch of … George W. Bush. And, incidentally, right from the start it was more expensive than people, including Bush, ever predicted.
Now you appear to be saying Obama is at fault for not somehow eliminating or “fixing” Part D. OK.
*(I’m kidding, of course. I know your point is simply to throw flames at Obama. It doesn’t really matter what you’re talking about or even if it’s true.)
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
12:55 pm
Kyle – Don’t you think it’s time to put the kaibosh on “libtards”? I know it’ll put a crimp in the conservatard’s daily meme, but rules are rules, no?
From the Center
August 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm
Just saying..
August 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 22nd, 2012-12:32 pm-Another trillion-dollar deficit.
Thanks, Democrats.
Deficit cause #1. Bush tax cuts
Deficit cause #2. Two foreign wars
Deficit cause #3. Medicare Part B
If this is true, then why didn’t we have trillion dollar deficits under Bush?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
12:57 pm
IF MR. ROMNEY and Mr. RYAN THEIR WISH, MR. ROMNEY WOULD HAVE A TAX RATE OF LESS THAN 1%.
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If you’re buying that, you’re ignorant of Ryan’s plan and should be quiet for a bit while you get the part your stoogemasters have left out of their little narrative.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm
I’m well within the rules, Slick.
Deal with it.
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
I’ll add: I know also that killing ‘libtards’ by silencing the conservatard will be a difficult pill for you to swallow, but a scene from Pulp Fiction is apropos here:
Marsellus to Butch: “The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That’s pride [messing] with you. [Mess] pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps. You fight through that [stuff].”
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Mr. Holmes: Lil Barry: Your argument keeps changing. First you ridiculed “libtards” for claiming George W. Bush created Medicare Part D.
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Show me where I did that.
Now don’t you wish you had paid attention?
Mr. Holmes
August 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm
… and should be quiet for a bit while you get the part your stoogemasters have left out of their little narrative.
Please. I’m begging you. Enlighten me. Since the candidates themselves have not released sufficient detail to prove or disprove the widely publicized idea that Ryan’s budget would drop Romney’s effective tax rate to 1%, I’m curious how a learned private gentleman such as yourself has such information.
Hillbilly D
August 22nd, 2012
1:02 pm
Red
My guess is that $8000 would have a hard time covering a 70 year old now, much less 15 years down the road. And I think one think most folks left, right and center will agree on is that medical costs will be higher 15 years from now, much higher.
Mr. Holmes
August 22nd, 2012
1:02 pm
Errr… post at 12:43 pm?
Now, you did get the letter wrong (B instead of D), but, really, compared to your normal mistakes that was pretty to look past.
Mr. Holmes
August 22nd, 2012
1:03 pm
pretty easy to look past, I meant.
Douglas
August 22nd, 2012
1:03 pm
la la says:
You are aware that med school aps, including in the state of GA, are on the increase across the nation, right?
Maybe talk radio or your favorite tv pundit didn’t mention it to you, but it is fact
*************
Key phrase – “the best and the brightest”
Red
August 22nd, 2012
1:05 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American : Your own greed for other people’s money might lead you to vote Democrat and obstruct needed reforms, for one.
As a matter of personal practice, I don’t drive my car on Saturdays. Yet I pay my share of taxes for roads so that you can. If you drive on my roads on Saturday, does that make you greedy?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Big Surprise, Mediscare doesn’t work. Nothing Obama attempts ever works. This is why he is moving on up to Education. That will not work either, as people are tired of pouring more money into education and getting worse results every time. With no new ideas or changes why invest more money into a failed system.
Did you see where CBO says that if Obama doesn’t extend his tax cuts at the end of the year, we will lose .5% growth on GDP and probably sink back into a recession. After campaigning against extending the cuts, he will quietly acquiesce to them even if reelected, he will have no choice. He is the master deceiver.
Nothing Obama does or says, makes economic sense.
Pres. Romney, will gladly embrace things that generate more growth, and will help end Obama’s economic malaise.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
1:08 pm
Please. I’m begging you. Enlighten me.
Don’t hold your breath. All the Cons can do is call names and scream “lalalalalalala” while covering their ears. Doesn’t matter what’s in the plan, they ain’t changing their vote and won’t tell anyone else the truth cause it might hurt their candidates chances.
jconservative
August 22nd, 2012
1:09 pm
Yes, the House has the ability to close the checkbook. Vote No on all spending. Instead they vote Yes and the money is spent.
But this is nothing new. This has been going on since 1981 when the White House and Congress decided we could cut government revenue and increase government spending and the books would balance.
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Curious on all the polls. Obama is leading in 10 of the 12 RealClear battleground states, but by the thinnest of margins.
And the conservation this week is not about Obama and the economy but about rape and abortion. The weeks before it was about Romney’s tax returns, Swiss and Cancun secret bank accounts and what does he have to hide.
I would recommend Romney release all tax returns, come clean on bank accounts and get the conversation back to Obama and the economy.
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
1:09 pm
Douglas
And you can prove that has changed? If so, when did it start?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
1:09 pm
people are tired of pouring more money into education and getting worse results every time
So let’s all just give up and go back to being completely illiterate! Dontcha know the wealthy people WANT that so badly!
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Lil’ Bar – I think you’re violating Rule No. 1. I also think you are arguably violating Rule No. 2, to the extent everyone who doesn’t agree with you is caught up in the ‘libtard’ label. However, per Kyle and Rule No. 2, he has a “high tolerance” for “labels.” Als per Kyle, “if only because they [the labels] reveal weakness on the labeler’s part.”
Chew and stew on that if you will.
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
1:13 pm
jconservative @ 1:09
Thanks for the honest reply. The blogger I originally applied to can basically only be relied on to call names like the child he is or come back with a smart @ss remark to deflect from the question or issue.
Thanks again
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
1:20 pm
I’m digging a hole…..
In addition to a plank calling for a total ban on abortion with no exception (which Democrats have quickly dubbed the Akin Amendment), and another taking a hard-line against Sharia law, the Republican Party platform this year will most likely include a plank calling for more Arizona-style immigration laws.
salon.com
Gotta FEAR that Sharia Law, people! OMG! We’re gonna remove all our laws and adopt this Muslim set of laws!!
Hillbilly D
August 22nd, 2012
1:22 pm
I would recommend Romney release all tax returns, come clean on bank accounts and get the conversation back to Obama and the economy.
From a strategic standpoint, that’s the sensible thing. Hard to fight battles on the defensive. When Bedford Forrest was outnumbered and facing attack, he would usually go ahead and attack first. His thinking was “15 minutes of the scare is worth 2 hours of tactics”. In laymen’s terms, most times, on the offensive is the place to be.
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
1:53 pm
Finn – No fan of Sharia am I, but being a glass half full sort of fellow no matter what, I can see some upside to this: all those mindless regressive women will need to wear burqas, show up, shut up, and put up. No ifs, ands or schnirts about it!
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 22nd, 2012
1:53 pm
Our hope is that seniors vote as Americans first and seniors second. I don’t how anyone who looks at the factual results of this President could give him four more years…..But what’s scary, he’s leading, if you can believe the polls. I’m not 100% waving the Romney banner, but the choice is really distinct. Heavy handed and taxed centralized government or a free market.
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
1:55 pm
Hillbilly D – Not necessarily. It’s only strategically viable if the damage from releasing is less than the damage from not releasing. By so steadfastly refusing to budge, we can infer the following: he is hiding something, it is big, it is nasty, and he doesn’t want any light thrown on it.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
1:57 pm
You wish, Slick. “Libtard” is here to stay, unless the rules should change to prohibit it.
Darwin
August 22nd, 2012
1:58 pm
Keep your government hands off my Medicare!
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
1:59 pm
I’m a liberal – “Free market?” Oh, you mean the “free” market that’s bought by, owned by, and sold by, those with the most $$? Yeah, that’s quite a free market. “Freedom” is just another word for “nothing’s left to lose.” ‘Cept for me and Bobby McGee, of course.
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
2:00 pm
Lil Bar – in case you missed it the first time around: “However, per Kyle and Rule No. 2, he has a “high tolerance” for “labels.” Also per Kyle, “if only because they [the labels] reveal weakness on the labeler’s part.””
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
2:03 pm
Slick
Let Barry be the child he knows that he is. Don’t do the same when he calls names. That is 90% of all he is, plus you need to give him a break. He is lacking in self esteem and has no pride. The name calling is all he has to hold on to at this point in his life.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 22nd, 2012
2:04 pm
Not the most money slick, the most work ethic. Plenty of folks working 2-3 jobs to make it under this rule, rather than sucked in to “the system”.
Hillbilly D
August 22nd, 2012
2:08 pm
By so steadfastly refusing to budge, we can infer the following: he is hiding something, it is big, it is nasty, and he doesn’t want any light thrown on it.
If there was something that big and nasty, he’d be an idiot for running in the first place. Things always come out eventually and if Nixon taught us anything, it’s that the cover-up is what sinks you.
Del
August 22nd, 2012
2:09 pm
I’m really amused by this lame defensive argument the Dumocrats put up that the 716 billion isn’t coming out of Medicare it’s only reducing what providers will receive. Of course you reduce what providers receive and guess what, they stop providing and that effects seniors a lot. Medicare Advantage will be gone and over 21 million seniors have depended on that option. Insurance company’s will raise rates on Medicare supplements and that will only benefit the AARP.
Hillbilly D
August 22nd, 2012
2:12 pm
Insurance company’s will raise rates on Medicare supplements and that will only benefit the AARP.
I dropped my membership and they still fill my mailbox with their crap.
Del
August 22nd, 2012
2:14 pm
I dropped my membership and they still fill my mailbox with their crap.
Me as well and it seems like every week I get something in the mail from them.
southpaw
August 22nd, 2012
2:17 pm
“he’d be an idiot for running in the first place.”
Careful, Hillbilly. So far, SlickRick, Finn, et al, have mostly held back the name-calling (notwithstanding “Robme n Lyin” @12:29), but this might set them off and get them change “he would be” to “he is.”
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
2:18 pm
Hillbilly D – Then why not release them? Is he afraid we’ll find out how rich he is? His refusal to do so doesn’t make any sense and so we can’t but conclude that there’s something there he doesn’t want us to see. As to your comment that he’d be an idiot to run if there were, I agree, but as I’m sure you’ll also agree, there is no shortage of idiocy in our Republic.
southpaw
August 22nd, 2012
2:18 pm
get them TO change…grrr
SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!
August 22nd, 2012
2:21 pm
southpaw – There’s name calling, and then there’s name calling. “Myth Robme,” “Lyin’ Ryan,” “Obozo,” etc., are directed at the public figures themselves. “Libtard” is directed at me; “conservatard” could be directed at you and by definition it applies to Lil’ Bar. I think the essence of Kyle’s rules is that derogatory remarks directed at public figures is ok, but derogatory remarks directed at private posters isn’t.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
2:22 pm
he’d be an idiot to run if there were, I agree,
Cons, perpetually doubling down on teh stoopid.
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
2:23 pm
And vice versa, of course.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
2:23 pm
If you want to know how rich President Romney is, his latest returns provide that information.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
2:24 pm
Del and Hillbilly Deluxe: Why did you drop your AARP membership? LOL I have been looking forward til next year when I can join. I thought there were tons of discounts you could get………
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
2:24 pm
Finn – that “vice versa” wasn’t directed at you, by the way, but rather was intended as an extension of my new handle.
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
2:25 pm
Lil’ Bar – I don’t care how rich Romney is. The point which you missed (not surprisingly) is that we already know how rich he is, so what else is there that’s in there that he doesn’t want us to see? Sometimes there’s no there there, and sometimes there is. In this case, there’s definitely a there there.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
2:29 pm
Slick, in case you forgot, finding out how rich he is was your reasoning for not releasing the returns!
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2012
2:29 pm
“good luck on getting the best and brightest to continue to choose medicine as a career if Obamacare isn’t repealed.
“Best and the brightest” does not always equal “greediest” as well. In my experience, usually the reverse.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
2:31 pm
And yes, you do care how rich President Romney is. It just eats you up that some folks earn so much more than you.
That’s pretty typical of Democrats these days. Envious, hateful, and filled with greed for other people’s property.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:33 pm
As far as Romney’s tax returns, he will have released as many as John McCain did when he releases his 2011, as he has pledged to do. Teresa Heinz Kerry, one of the worlds richest women, refused to release any tax returns. Go back and look at how many were released in the past, very few. One or two years has been standard the last few elections, prior to that it was rare. FDR released none and he was richer than Romney.
Romney knows that this is a distraction. They will nitpick, parse, and speculate for weeks over the least little thing in his records. This will keep the focus off Obama’s failures for two or three vital weeks.
What he should do is hold a press conference and castigate Obama for withholding all his education, soc security, and passport records and remind him of his broken promise of transparency. Then he should promise to release his tax records when Obama unfreezes the records in his life. Romney’s transcripts, education records, and work history are out there, why not Obama’s.
Saw this yesterday and it is appropriate for all those obsessed with Romney’s taxes.
“So, I should be very interested in how Romney spends his money, but not curious how Obama wastes mine.”
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:33 pm
Kyle, once again your opinion runs counter to the large body of prevailing evidence. I just want the freaking election to be over so that when Obama takes the White House, the entire right wing can collectively stomp itself out of existence a la Rumpelstiltskin.
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
2:34 pm
“Envious, hateful, and filled with greed for other people’s property.”
Funny you say that because I have heard two right wing talk shows talk about the wealth of Bachman’s opponent.
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
2:35 pm
Theresa Heinz Kerry ran for office
When?
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
2:36 pm
Lil Bar’ – “Slick, in case you forgot, finding out how rich he is was your reasoning for not releasing the returns!”
Really? I dare you to show me where I said that…
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
I don’t remember Teresa Kerry running for president. Maybe I was in a coma that election cycle.
And John McCain was required to disclose his finances as a part of the Senate, so it’s not quite correct to say he only released two years of tax info.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
I am sick to death of hearing about Romney’s damn tax return. I don’t see that it’s ANYONE’S business about his or any other politicians tax return unless they are in default for money they owe. I don’t care what kind of underwear they wear or car they drive either……
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:39 pm
When Romney pays a lower percentage to the federal government than I do, it becomes my business.
Just curious as to how he is able to get such favorable treatment. Oh right…the tax code is rigged for rich folks, while us working folk get screwed. Then chastised for pointing out the discrepancy.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
2:39 pm
2:18, Slick.
Do you walk slowly? Just curious.
ooooooooooo la la
August 22nd, 2012
2:40 pm
Fred
Exactly. I don’t care about what church they go t. If they went to a Madrasa when they were six………
On and on an on
Babies on all sides
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
2:41 pm
Romney pays a higher percentage than you on His income, and the same rate as you on His capital gains.
Boo freaking hoo.
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
2:43 pm
Obama and his handlers would not be using the false attack/smear campaigning about Romney not having paid income tax, is a felon, Mediscare, etc. if it didn’t work. They must know that more people will believe enough not to vote for him than those who see the attacks/smears for what they are.
This has been the modus operendi along with giving government benefits, tax exemptions, bailouts, and avenues for illegal votes to win. It is part of the power of incumbency, and looks to be working well enough to get re-elected. The liberal media, of course, is going along even if they have to sometimes hold their nose – they have a very high tolerance for Democratic party stink.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:44 pm
Finn,
So let’s all just give up and go back to being completely illiterate! Dontcha know the wealthy people WANT that so badly!
From what I’ve seen, 39% drop outs, students who can’t find North Dakota on a map, and cash registers with pictures on them instead of numbers, we have been there for awhile. It is not the wealthy that want it that way, it is the entitlement loving democrat party, that needs voters that need to be taken care of.
Chris Sanchez
August 22nd, 2012
2:44 pm
People consider the VP pick as more of an afterthought and do not base their decision on who to vote for in the presidential raced based on who is on the bottom of the ticket. Still, it helps that people don’t HATE Ryan…
southpaw
August 22nd, 2012
2:45 pm
SlickRick @2:21
You may be reading too much into my remarks. I just didn’t want Hillbilly to give anybody ideas. I realized at the time that I myself may have given the same idea I warned against; I started not to post for that reason.
“Conservative” would apply to me. I can’t find “conservitard” or “libtard” at dictionary.com, and I doubt either one is in any other actual (as opposed to “libtard” or “conservitard”) dictionary. I agree wholeheartedly with your 2:23 post, although you might want to switch the “libtard” and “conservitard” in your handle back and forth in your later posts.
Personally, I hate the name-calling of the public figures as well, whether it’s Myth Robme, Obozo, Nathan Steal, Nasty Pelosi, or whatever else. While I did make an over-the-top remark at Finn several months ago (apologies, Finn), I decided long before Kyle’s crackdown that I wouldn’t do that again, and I haven’t. I wonder who wants to join me in the lack of name-calling?
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
2:45 pm
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
2:43 pm
Obama and his handlers would not be using the false attack/smear campaigning about Romney not having paid income tax, is a felon, Mediscare, etc. if it didn’t work. They must know that more people will believe enough not to vote for him than those who see the attacks/smears for what they are.
This has been the modus operendi along with giving government benefits, tax exemptions, bailouts, and avenues for illegal votes to win. It is part of the power of incumbency, and looks to be working well enough to get re-elected. The liberal media, of course, is going along even if they have to sometimes hold their nose – they have a very high tolerance for Democratic party stink.
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Centrist my fat hairy ass. Judging from that post and the talk radio verbiage used you are a hard core right wing fanatic. Why lie about it? Why not just man up, admit what you are and be PROUD of it?
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:46 pm
“Romney pays a higher percentage than you on His income, and the same rate as you on His capital gains.
Boo freaking hoo.”
Yeah, an effective rate of 13%. Thus proving my point, idiot. The chips are stacked for people who don’t work for a living. That is, capital gains are now taxed at a different rate than income. Why??
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:50 pm
Centrist, you are right, the wealth envy works or they wouldn’t use it. Just like the Black Churches will burn, they gonna put you back in chains, the air and water will be dirtier, sick people will die, etc.
Anything and everything into the fan and see what comes out that sticks with their buddies in the media.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
2:51 pm
southpaw: I agree with your 2:45 up to a point. When someone lies and repeatedly lies, is it name calling to identify them as a liar? I’m 100lbs over weight and have a beer belly from hell. I find it accurate for someone to identify me as FAT (see my above post lol).
Am I wrong to doubt the poster who calls himself Centrist when it’s quite clear by the things he writes and says that he’s far to the right: For example:
The liberal media, of course, is going along even if they have to sometimes hold their nose – they have a very high tolerance for Democratic party stink.
Would a true Centrist write that or would a true Centrist realize that FOX is media, The Wallstreet Journal is Media, ect?
I find correctly labeling things to be different from name calling……..
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:54 pm
SBinF
You are right, the tax code is stacked in favor of those that save and invest, rather than those who consume.
Somewhere in time, the Congress decided that was good for the country. It seems to have worked so far; we live in a country with the highest standard of living in the world. We still have the most progressive tax structure around as well. Guess you wish to change that?
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
2:55 pm
Lil’ Bar – My 2:18 was: “Hillbilly D – Then why not release them? Is he afraid we’ll find out how rich he is? His refusal to do so doesn’t make any sense and so we can’t but conclude that there’s something there he doesn’t want us to see. As to your comment that he’d be an idiot to run if there were, I agree, but as I’m sure you’ll also agree, there is no shortage of idiocy in our Republic.”
And you interpret that as me saying that I want to him to release his tax returns so I can find out how rich he is?
You’re even dumber than I thought you were (and that’s saying something). Other message boards have an “ignore” function where you can opt to not see other posters’ posts. It’s a pity this one doesn’t.
finding out how rich he is was your reasoning for not releasing the returns
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:55 pm
Wealth envy?
Hardly.
Just curious how a 401k can be valued at tens of millions of dollars. How does that work exactly? I always thought that contributions were capped at around 17k dollars per year.
I’m not envious, just interested to know.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:57 pm
“You are right, the tax code is stacked in favor of those that save and invest, rather than those who consume.”
I mean, that would be great if our economy weren’t based off CONSUMPTION and had not been so for several generations.
But no, keep peddling that stuff. Eventually someone will buy it.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:59 pm
Name calling can be overdone, that is for sure, but a rose by any other name smells just as sweet, and if it walks like a duck and quacks, it is a duck.
Jack
August 22nd, 2012
3:00 pm
A concern for all us should be that Obama enjoys the support of voters like those that elected Hill as sheriff of Clayton County. Like Obama, Hill is promising to deliver more than he is capable of.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:00 pm
Didn’t mean to hijack the thread.
Now back to Mediscare…
How’s this for Mediscare….Ryan pushes his plan as a great fix, and promises seniors that folks over age 55 won’t be affected. So what, it’s so egregious that the only way he can get seniors to sign on is if he promises them the changes won’t affect them? So what, just us youngsters get screwed?
Great plan Ryan.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:02 pm
“A concern for all us should be that Obama enjoys the support of voters like those that elected Hill as sheriff of Clayton County. Like Obama, Hill is promising to deliver more than he is capable of.”
Yeah, demographics Obama won in ‘08
Blacks
Latinos
Women
College educated
Youngsters
What a terrible showing, eh?
Jack
August 22nd, 2012
3:03 pm
401Ks enjoy appreciation beyond contributions.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:04 pm
Using the compound interest formula, please show me how contributing $17,000 a year will lead to an appreciation of tens of millions.
southpaw
August 22nd, 2012
3:07 pm
Fred @2:51
The line between labeling and name calling may be hazier than you think. If someone repeatedly lies, try saying “That’s a lie. That’s a lie, too. That’s also a lie.” Leave “You’re a liar” to lesser people.
As for Centrist, what’s obvious to you (far to the right) may not be obvious to someone else (e.g., Centrist). I described myself as “conservative” earlier, but I assure you that I don’t fit most of the liberals’ descriptions of “conservative” that I’ve seen on this blog. “Correctly” labeling things is fine, but don’t fall for hubris while you’re doing it. There is a chance, however slight, that your label is incorrect. One possibility worth considering: Centrist distinguishes between conservative media (e.g., Fox, WSJ) and liberal media. I didn’t see that distinction in your post, although you may have thought something along that line.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
3:08 pm
Didn’t mean to hijack the thread.
Now back to Mediscare…
How’s this for Mediscare
++++++++++++++++++++++++++And HERE we have a perfect example of grey journalism, talk radio bs, and stupid lying phrases. (I know you didn’t originate it SBinF, Kyle did).
Centrist would have you believe ion (and be “scared” of this mythical far left wing main stream media” conglomerate, yet gives a free pass to the FOX/ talk radio group that passes on BS (and Kyle as well) like this. ‘Mediscare.”
All the right sells anymore is fear. They have run completely out of ideas. they fear monger. The “evil” Islamist. The “evil messicans” the “evil liberals” you can’t listen to FOX or a talk radio for 2 minutes without hearing scared, or fear, or some derivative thereof.
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:09 pm
Fred posted “Judging from that post and the talk radio verbiage used you are a hard core right wing fanatic… Would a true Centrist write that or would a true Centrist realize that FOX is media, The Wallstreet Journal is Media.”
Fred, first I am a secular humanist, pro-choice, and agree we need a Buffet Rule to tax the relatively few extremely wealthy as we do wage earners – not Republican. I don’t listen to talk radio.
Second, mentioning the conservative WSJ and Fox while ignoring the liberal MSM of ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, all big city newspapers, USA Today, the AP and Reuters news services, and Hollywood TV and movie production is a very weak straw dog. It is you, sir, who is fake.
td
August 22nd, 2012
3:10 pm
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
I don’t remember Teresa Kerry running for president. Maybe I was in a coma that election cycle.
And John McCain was required to disclose his finances as a part of the Senate, so it’s not quite correct to say he only released two years of tax info.
Did Romney not have financial disclosures released as the Governor of Mass?
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:13 pm
He was governor from 2003-2007.
What about 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011??
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:21 pm
And of course the prevailing issue, that we’re even asking these questions. Here’s a guy, born into money, given money to start his business, made millions, but he isn’t comfortable telling us how he did it. What I expect out of a president is not a person who takes every shortcut he can to avoid paying taxes. It’s not wealth envy….I work as a teacher, so it’s fairly obvious I’m not looking to get rich. I won’t begrudge someone who does, but again, I expect a president who will display a bit of character.
Romney has never wanted for anything, I don’t feel he is at all relatable to me, and I think the only reason he wants to be president is because he feels it’s owed to him and it’s his turn.
Obama ain’t perfect, but at least I get the sense that he talks straight (even if I don’t like what he says). Mitt has taken every position on every position. He nor Ryan are willing to get into specifics for their plans, and simply expect them to trust us.
No thanks….
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:22 pm
Nobody is required to release their income taxes. One rich guy wanting a richer guy to show he pays a lower, legal percentage rate is just gamesmanship. Obama will be paying that lower rate just like Clinton, Kerry, and Gore once he is out of office. Democrats couldn’t even pass a Buffet tax in the Senate they control – because, they too, enjoy that lower rate along with their friends, family, and campaign contributors. Obama and a few Democrats are only using it as a false campaign issue because they knows it will never pass.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
3:22 pm
It is you, sir, who is fake.
How? Prove what you just said. Oh wait, you can’t, because there’s not a shred of truth in it. Of COURSE you never listen to talk radio, that’s why you use their phrases. oh wait, they use YOURS. Yeah right, I get it.
You hit all the rigtht wing nutcase talk radio talking points but not really right? It’s just coincidence. Yes you ARE a Centrist, I see that now. You DIDN’T write, refering to the Obama administration:
This has been the modus operendi along with giving government benefits, tax exemptions, bailouts, and avenues for illegal votes to win.
That was someone else. Someone POSING as you. A REAl independent, or “centrist” such as myself would see the hypocrisy in that statement and realize BOTH parties do it. But not you, I mean the poser who posted under your name. HE didn’t see that, it’s on an evil “librul” thing. Only poor people get Government handouts, not oil companies or entities like……. um…… GE for instance. Naw, never that. Just brood mares and crack ho’s and ‘them peoples” and such………
i get it.
Sorry pal, you didn’t convince me the last time you did this step and fetch routine for the Republicans and you don’t convince me this time.
I DO listen to talk radio which is how I KNOW their phrases you silly little man.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
3:24 pm
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:22 pm
Nobody is required to release their income taxes. One rich guy wanting a richer guy to show he pays a lower, legal percentage rate is just gamesmanship. Obama will be paying that lower rate just like Clinton, Kerry, and Gore once he is out of office. Democrats couldn’t even pass a Buffet tax in the Senate they control – because, they too, enjoy that lower rate along with their friends, family, and campaign contributors. Obama and a few Democrats are only using it as a false campaign issue because they knows it will never pass.
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Democrat bashing again. How “Centrist” of you lol.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
3:29 pm
if it walks like a duck and quacks, it is a conservative doctor or scientist
fixed yer typo…….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
3:33 pm
Southpaw, what did you call me a couple months ago? It’s cool names just roll off – probably due to the Krylon finish….
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:36 pm
Fred – You aren’t listening because you are such a partisan leftist. I never voted for a Republican presidential nominee since Reagan (Libertarians and Perot twice). I often vote for Blue Dog Democrats – gave money to Democrat Ken Hodges against now Attorney General Sam Olens. I have consistently voted against Isakson and Chambliss.
But because I favor Romney over Obama (due to his record and gutter campaign style), you (want to) see me as some rabid right winger – even though I don’t support a Christian theocracy like so many, am pro-choice like so many, and would like to see a Buffet rule tax that neither wealthy Republican or Democrat Senators want.
I’m going to ignore your partisan posts from now on, so rant on your own.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
3:37 pm
Still, it helps that people don’t HATE Ryan
No, we just know he’s a fraud.
Here is Ryan in 2002. Here’s how Rep. Paul Ryan defended the stimulus bill proposed by President Bush that year (h/t MSNBC’s “Up With Chris). He sounds a little bit like Robert Reich:
What we’re trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they’ve passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work. In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place. We’ve got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don’t have the revenues that we wanted to, we don’t have the revenues we need … We’ve got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we’re trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who’ve lost their jobs …What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we’re trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs.
@@
August 22nd, 2012
3:43 pm
Well, at least some news is good.
Clayton County’s? Not so much.
Lynnie Gal
August 22nd, 2012
4:11 pm
False attack of Ryan’s plan? What “false” attack? It’s a fact that the Ryan plan turns Medicare into a voucher system. Fact. Not false attack. As far as Grannies who heart Ryan, those are the gullible, selfish Republican voting seniors who believe the lie that ONLY people under 55 will suffer under the Ryan plan. They don’t give a crap about the younger generation getting screwed out of their healthcare. They figure they’ll get theirs and to hell with anyone else. Well, they’ll get theirs, alright. Any senior that thinks Robme and Lyin aren’t going to touch their precious Medicare benefits are truly the world’s biggest fools. They’ll be thrown under the bus in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy starting on day one. Robme and Lyin have promised these greedy, decrepit Republican voting seniors that they won’t touch their Medicare, hoping they’ll fall for it. They might. These are seniors that, once they’ve climbed up the ladder, they pull it up quickly behind them so no one else can climb up. If they fall for this creepy little scam, they get what they deserve.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm
An anti-Barack Obama documentary based on conservative author Dinesh D’Souza’s book The Roots of Obama’s Rage will expand nationwide this weekend after doing notable business in select markets across the country — including in liberal-minded New York City.
Go see it, you might learn something.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm
An anti-Barack Obama documentary
If ya’ll can’t beat him with what knowledge you gained so far…..
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm
dang. oil companies!!! Gas companies!!!!! keep yer hands off my land!!!
According to the U.S. Constitution’s Fifth Amendment, in order to pursue eminent domain, the land must be taken for “public use” and the private property owners must receive “just compensation.”…Traditionally, the “public use” provision referred to projects like roads, schools, parks and other public facilities that could be directly used by all. However, the meaning of “public use” has been loosely interpreted in recent years. The controversial Kelo v. City of New London (2005) is credited with broadening the interpretation of “public use.” In this case, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of New London, deciding that the city could take private property and give it to another private entity for “economic development.” The Court decided that this met the “public use” provision of the Fifth Amendment. But despite taking the land and spending millions of taxpayer dollars on the proposed project, the plan never came to fruition and nothing was constructed. Now it seems that the oil and gas industry is capitalizing on this this precedent-setting case.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/how-some-states-are-giving-oil-and-gas-companies-right-take-your-land
Interested Observer
August 22nd, 2012
4:30 pm
RE: “This suggests seniors don’t buy Democrats’ false attacks that Ryan and Mitt Romney would change the deal for current retirees.”
Actually…Patients Would Pay More if Romney Restores [Obama] Medicare Savings, Analysts Say
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/index.html
Interested Observer
August 22nd, 2012
4:32 pm
Incidentally, Do Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want to turn Medicare into a privatized voucher program? PolitiFact says yes.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/16/barack-obama/does-paul-ryan-want-turn-medicare-voucher-program/
InAtl
August 22nd, 2012
4:38 pm
SBinF says: “Romney has never wanted for anything, I don’t feel he is at all relatable to me, and I think the only reason he wants to be president is because he feels it’s owed to him and it’s his turn.”
Just curious: Did you feel the same way about Al Gore or John Kerry?
Also you say: “Obama ain’t perfect, but at least I get the sense that he talks straight (even if I don’t like what he says). Mitt has taken every position on every position. He nor Ryan are willing to get into specifics for their plans, and simply expect them to trust us.”
You think Obama talks straight? What about his myriad of broken campaign promises? What about all his criticisms of things Bush did that once he himself became president he also did? I can provide a list of those if it’s really necessary. Mitt has admittedly changed his position on things, and I think it’s fair to take that into consideration, but Obama has flip-flopped even more than Mitt.
Ray
August 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
The public understands that neither party is advocating changes to Medicare that would impact the benefits of those already 65 years old, and those who will be 65 years old within the next years.
But our seniors are not selfish, they want everyone else to have the same piece of mind in knowing they will have health care coverage in their old age, and for the rest of their lives. They understand that future generations will not have same security.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
In the Senior communities where I live…..Seniors are SCARED TO DEATH.
One 90 year old senior said I am a Republican……I don’t know what I going to do.
I don’t have anything against Obama…
This is will be first time she voted Democrat.
SENIORS ARE MEDISCARED
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
The attacks aren’t working for SENIORS like Paul Ryan’s mother because
she has a son that will take care of her. She has two homes. Why should
she be scared?
OTHER seniors DON’T HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE.
von
August 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
I cant stand either of them. Ive voted Republican in every presidential election until now. The fact that this was the best the GOp could do sickens me. GARY JOHNSON 2012. At least I can look at myself in the mirror with that vote.
yuzeyurbrane
August 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
Dream on Kyle. I have seen the polls, too, and you neglect to mention that while seniors essentially think Ryan is a nice boy, a clear majority disagree with his Medicare proposals. Additionally your statement that Democratic characterizations of Ryan’s Medicare proposals (there are more than 1) are a lie is a lie. As I have actually heard middle aged white men Tea People say, “tell the gubmnt to keep its hands off my Medicare”. If Ryan gets elected, he will be the gubmnt.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm
An anti-Barack Obama documentary based on conservative author Dinesh D’Souza’s book The Roots of Obama’s Rage will expand nationwide this weekend after doing notable business in select markets across the country — including in liberal-minded New York City.
Go see it, you might learn something.
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Don’t fall for that old TRICK.
The film is about MAKING MONEY.
YOUR MONEY.
What have you not heard about Obama by now?
You are foolish to pay for something you have already heard.
CONS ARE STILL CON MEN.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:55 pm
CONS and DEMOCRATS will be affected by this.
Don’t think that CONS are exempt.
Everyone will ATTACKED.
The RYAN’S plan DOES NOT SAY DEMOCRATS ONLY.
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
4:56 pm
I really wish the gubmnt would keep its hands off middle aged white Tea People so that they can die quickly and stop screwing this country up for everyone else.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
“He said last summer was going to be the summer of recovery,” Ryan said. “It’s a summer later and it’s still worse. He said that the private sector is doing just fine, we need more government. This is President Obama’s imaginary recovery.
Yeah, Recovery Summer, heh, I had forgotten about that one.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
So do YOU belong to the political party that wishes their fellow countryman would die?
What if slick rick gets tired of waiting?
That’s right, we’ll another lunatic shooting up some theater.
pos
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm
“Romney has never wanted for anything, I don’t feel he is at all relatable to me, and I think the only reason he wants to be president is because he feels it’s owed to him and it’s his turn.”
Obama supporters ideology and philosophy is so flexible. I guess that is why they buy the status quo he is selling now, after supporting the Hope and Change they never got before.
Proof—–substitute John Heinz Kerry as the first word of the quote above and you wonder why we didn’t hear this in 2004. Where were his tax returns. Inconsistent? Pretty much! Didn’t matter then, but very important now!
SBinF, says she doesn’t want a President who uses the outs in the tax code to pay a lower rate than she does. So, how come you voted for Kerry. A guy who bought his yacht out of the country to avoid the luxury taxes and docked it in another state to avoid paying MA taxes. Hypocrites are so easy!
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm
WHY ARE MY COMMENTS NOW BEING BLOCKED.
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
CONS WILL ALWAYS BE CONS.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
Third time is the charm, this is the third recovery summer.
Kyle Wingfield
August 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm
getalife: Your week-long ban is up, and you’re back on the blog. The next one will last a lot longer than a week.
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm
I Report – Crazy middle aged white Tea People are NOT my fellow countrymen. They’re traitors.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm
They BLOCKED MY PREVIOUS COMMENT BEFORE THIS ONE:.
Help! Help! Help! Don’t Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm
WHY ARE MY COMMENTS NOW BEING BLOCKED.
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
CONS WILL ALWAYS BE CONS.
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IS KYLE PROUD OF WHAT HE IS DOING?
YOU CAN’T SILENCE THE TRUTH.
Shame on them.
CONS PLAY DIRTY.
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon, and 'conservatard' from the 'libtard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm
Oops – I been meaning to fix the handle; mission accomplished, as a not-so-great man once implied by standing under a giant banner indicating same.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
Von
GARY JOHNSON 2012. At least I can look at myself in the mirror with that vote.
Yep, go ahead and vote for Obama, it is GA, which is going for Romney, so you can vote for Al Franken if you want, it will not matter. 13 electoral votes for Romney is all that matters.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
It amazes me that America can’t see what scum the democrats really are.
We got a “president” that hangs out with drug dealers and rap stars that sing about raping their hoes, while he says Republicans wage war on women because they don’t want to pay 10 bucks for their birth control scrip.
We got commenters on a blog wishing that people would die so they can get hooked up with some more freebies.
freakin sicko
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
Sorry about that post Kyle, don’t know how all that got in there. I was done at “matters”.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
I wasn’t talking to you, time bomb.
I don’t converse with trash.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
It amazes me that America can’t see what scum the democrats really are.
We got a “president” that hangs out with drug dealers and rap stars that sing about raping their hoes, while he says Republicans wage war on women because they don’t want to pay 10 bucks for their birth control scrip.
We got commenters on a blog wishing that people would die so they can get hooked up with some more freebies.
freakin sicko
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KYLE HAS BLOCKED SOME OF MY COMMENTS THAT WERE VERY TAME.
BUT HE LET THe ONE ABOVE THROUGH.
“a “president” that hangs out with drug dealers and rap stars that sing about raping their hoes.”
“We got commenters on a blog wishing that people would die so they can get hooked up with some more freebies”
THIS IS WHAT CONS HAVE COME TOO.
THEY HATE OBAMA SO MUCH THAT THEY HAVE GONE STARK
RAVING MAD.
CONS ARE FOAMING AT THE MOUTH WITH HATRED FOR OBAMA
CONS ARE READY TO THROW THEIR MOTHERS AND GRANDMOTHERS
UNDER THE BUS TO SAVE MONEY FOR THE RICH.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
Slickrick
Crazy middle aged white Tea People are NOT my fellow countrymen. They’re traitors.
___________________________
You have been trying to get LBB in trouble, to no avail, so here you go calling me a traitor. There is no worse name to call someone. I resent that!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:27 pm
Kyle – Seeing how that Help! perfectly represents the overbearing ignorance and calamitous stupidity of the moonbat left, I don’t think you should censor it either.
Let it speak!
Kyle Wingfield
August 22nd, 2012
5:27 pm
Rafe: No problem. Since you brought it up yourself, and since it was such a long comment, I edited your 5:13 to take out the extraneous language.
Kyle Wingfield
August 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm
Help!: The AJC’s rule is that “tea baggers” is not allowed on our blogs. Stop using that phrase and your comment will, like your others, go through.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm
This can’t be real, name calling raises objections but death threats fall on deaf ears, there’s something fantastically wrong with these liberals.
Sandra
August 22nd, 2012
5:52 pm
@Lil Barry Bailout,
I keep seeing the absolutely stupid things you say in many of these postings. Are you really not bright or do you just listen only to people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, etc. who tell you what you should think and say. They may not be called to account on this earth for the damage they have done to America with their spewing of hate but there will be an accounting some day.
And before you go blasting off about the ‘libertards’, I don’t listen to the ones on the left either who do the same thing. It’s all evil. But people like you seem to believe every hateful and untrue word that comes out of their mouths.
Do everyone a favor (this can go for Kyle as well), do some real research before you put out stuff like this.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2012
5:52 pm
Well, this blog has gone downhill into the gamey garbage presented by liberals. Why bother to jump into a barrel of such stuff?
My compliments to Republicans here. I wish them good health. But the environment is littered with lies and lunatics. So don’t forget: “You shall know the truth and it will set you free!!” Yes!
skydog
August 22nd, 2012
5:57 pm
Can you say “Tea Boogers”?
Dusty
August 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
Phew,
Ignorance is not bliss. Skydog knows..
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 22nd, 2012
6:06 pm
Sandra: @Lil Barry Bailout, I keep seeing the absolutely stupid things you say in many of these postings.
——-
For example?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm
nuther blog^^
Hillbilly D
August 22nd, 2012
6:29 pm
as I’m sure you’ll also agree, there is no shortage of idiocy in our Republic.
It’s about six of one and half dozen of the other. There’s plenty on both sides, in my opinion.
Fred (if you’re still around)
You do get a few discounts with AARP but mainly you get come-ons to sell you term life insurance, Medicare supplemental insurance and about every other kind of insurance under the sun. In my opinion, the AARP has basically just become a clearing house to sell insurance.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
6:34 pm
@Kyle Wingfield
August 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm
_________________________________________________
IS THIS ACCEPTABLE?
‘libertards’, “moonbat left,”
IS THIS ACCEPTABLE?
“We got a “president” that hangs out with drug dealers and rap stars that sing about raping their hoes,”
Its AMAZING what is acceptable to CONS.
The ignorant classes are the dangerous classes.
saywhat?
August 22nd, 2012
7:16 pm
Skydog and help!help!, since “teab@ggers” is not allowed (which is ironic since they first coined that name for themselves),”teatards” may perhaps be an acceptable equivalent to “libtards”.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2012
7:24 pm
SAY WHAT & HELP HELP
There are some words that are always acceptable on this blog. Try these:: Goodbye! I’m gone!.
saywhat?
August 22nd, 2012
7:32 pm
Dusty, you first. You won’t be missed.
David R. Boag, DDS
August 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
Mr_B @ 2:29
Your comment seems to assume that doctors that make more money are, by your definition, greedier. Is that what you are implying? Or can we agree that doctors who as a result of their skills improve more lives in more significant ways are possibly worth more than their peers?
If I’m better at getting people well, shouldn’t I be rewarded for my diligence and skills? Inquiring minds want to know.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
@Dusty
August 22nd, 2012
7:24 pm
SAY WHAT & HELP HELP
There are some words that are always acceptable on this blog. Try these:: Goodbye! I’m gone!.
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YOU DON’T WANT TO HEAR WHAT WORDS I WOULD USE IN RESPONSE TO
YOU.
I KNOW THEY WON’T BE ACCEPTABLE WHEN I FINISH GOING UP ONE SIDE
AND DOWN THE OTHER ON YOU.
DON’T PLAY WITH ME.
GO PLAY IN TRAFFIC.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
@Dusty
August 22nd, 2012
7:24 pm
SAY WHAT & HELP HELP
There are some words that are always acceptable on this blog. Try these:: Goodbye! I’m gone!.
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There is a degree of wretchedness among lower class people.
Michael H. Smith
August 22nd, 2012
8:05 pm
From hope and change to fear and smear, Kyle. obumer even went so far as to chide Romney by accusing him of the very tactics obumer is using: Throwing anything and everything against the wall in hopes that something will stick.
Only problem is, something has stuck… to obumer shoes, cause he done stepped in it!
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2012
8:22 pm
“Your comment seems to assume that doctors that make more money are, by your definition, greedier. ”
Not at all. A previous poster have implied, wrongly I believe, that “the best and the brightest” medical students are motivated by money to enter the field of medicine, and that any reduction in the amount of compensation medical professional receive would result in a decline in the caliber of med. school applicants. As someone who deals with young people on a daily basis, I just don’t see it. I’ve never had a kid tell me he wants to go to med school so he can make a lot of money.
I have no problem with medical professionals being paid well for what they do. But I would worry about a medical professional who was more worried about his portfolio than with his patient’s well-being.
Archibald Leach
August 23rd, 2012
1:06 am
Current seniors would be harmed if Romney got his way and repealed the Affordable Care Act.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 23rd, 2012
6:47 am
How, Archie?
Didn’t think so.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 23rd, 2012
6:49 am
The Ryan plan to save Medicare was originally proposed by Democrats. Clearly, the only reason Dems oppose it now is because they’re determined to obstruct any Republican proposal in hopes of benefitting politically.
Democrats: Party first, every time, and to hell with America.
bu2
August 23rd, 2012
2:07 pm
Del is right. The Democrats just keep cutting payments to doctors. Its already hard for people on medicare to find doctors in rural America. Doctors just opt not to take those patients. But rural America is overwhelmingly Republican and so the Democrats don’t understand what they are doing. And it will eventually drive people out of medicine. Its simple economics, which Democratic leaders seem to be ignorant of. Medicare can’t be balanced on the backs of doctors.