So far, Obama’s Mediscare attacks aren’t working
From The Fix at the Washington Post (headline: “Seniors [heart] Paul Ryan”), a result that cannot be received well at Obama 2012 headquarters:
Grandma isn’t scared of Paul Ryan.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows 41 percent of Americans view the new GOP vice presidential nominee favorably, while 37 percent rate him unfavorably — slightly improved from last week’s polling.
Among seniors, though, the numbers are even better for Ryan: 50 percent favorable and 35 percent unfavorable. Fully one-third of seniors say they have a strongly favorable view of the Wisconsin congressman, while one-quarter have a strongly unfavorable view.
In fact, those seniors whose view of Ryan is “strongly favorable” virtually tie all those who view him unfavorably to any degree, 33 percent to 35 percent. This suggests seniors don’t buy Democrats’ false attacks that Ryan and Mitt Romney would change the deal for current retirees.
For the record, that “slightly improved” standing for Ryan among all age groups is a move from a net minus-3 to a net plus-4. Meanwhile, the ranks of the undecided fell by 17 percentage points. That means more than two-thirds of those who settled on an opinion of Ryan during the past week now view him favorably. (No breakdown of seniors’ opinion in the earlier poll is available, so we have no trend for their views.)
More broadly, President Obama’s lead over Romney in the Real Clear Politics average of polls has fallen from 4.7 percentage points the day after Romney introduced Ryan as his running mate to 1.5 points today.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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southpaw
August 22nd, 2012
2:45 pm
SlickRick @2:21
You may be reading too much into my remarks. I just didn’t want Hillbilly to give anybody ideas. I realized at the time that I myself may have given the same idea I warned against; I started not to post for that reason.
“Conservative” would apply to me. I can’t find “conservitard” or “libtard” at dictionary.com, and I doubt either one is in any other actual (as opposed to “libtard” or “conservitard”) dictionary. I agree wholeheartedly with your 2:23 post, although you might want to switch the “libtard” and “conservitard” in your handle back and forth in your later posts.
Personally, I hate the name-calling of the public figures as well, whether it’s Myth Robme, Obozo, Nathan Steal, Nasty Pelosi, or whatever else. While I did make an over-the-top remark at Finn several months ago (apologies, Finn), I decided long before Kyle’s crackdown that I wouldn’t do that again, and I haven’t. I wonder who wants to join me in the lack of name-calling?
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
2:45 pm
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
2:43 pm
Obama and his handlers would not be using the false attack/smear campaigning about Romney not having paid income tax, is a felon, Mediscare, etc. if it didn’t work. They must know that more people will believe enough not to vote for him than those who see the attacks/smears for what they are.
This has been the modus operendi along with giving government benefits, tax exemptions, bailouts, and avenues for illegal votes to win. It is part of the power of incumbency, and looks to be working well enough to get re-elected. The liberal media, of course, is going along even if they have to sometimes hold their nose – they have a very high tolerance for Democratic party stink.
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Centrist my fat hairy ass. Judging from that post and the talk radio verbiage used you are a hard core right wing fanatic. Why lie about it? Why not just man up, admit what you are and be PROUD of it?
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:46 pm
“Romney pays a higher percentage than you on His income, and the same rate as you on His capital gains.
Boo freaking hoo.”
Yeah, an effective rate of 13%. Thus proving my point, idiot. The chips are stacked for people who don’t work for a living. That is, capital gains are now taxed at a different rate than income. Why??
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:50 pm
Centrist, you are right, the wealth envy works or they wouldn’t use it. Just like the Black Churches will burn, they gonna put you back in chains, the air and water will be dirtier, sick people will die, etc.
Anything and everything into the fan and see what comes out that sticks with their buddies in the media.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
2:51 pm
southpaw: I agree with your 2:45 up to a point. When someone lies and repeatedly lies, is it name calling to identify them as a liar? I’m 100lbs over weight and have a beer belly from hell. I find it accurate for someone to identify me as FAT (see my above post lol).
Am I wrong to doubt the poster who calls himself Centrist when it’s quite clear by the things he writes and says that he’s far to the right: For example:
The liberal media, of course, is going along even if they have to sometimes hold their nose – they have a very high tolerance for Democratic party stink.
Would a true Centrist write that or would a true Centrist realize that FOX is media, The Wallstreet Journal is Media, ect?
I find correctly labeling things to be different from name calling……..
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:54 pm
SBinF
You are right, the tax code is stacked in favor of those that save and invest, rather than those who consume.
Somewhere in time, the Congress decided that was good for the country. It seems to have worked so far; we live in a country with the highest standard of living in the world. We still have the most progressive tax structure around as well. Guess you wish to change that?
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
2:55 pm
Lil’ Bar – My 2:18 was: “Hillbilly D – Then why not release them? Is he afraid we’ll find out how rich he is? His refusal to do so doesn’t make any sense and so we can’t but conclude that there’s something there he doesn’t want us to see. As to your comment that he’d be an idiot to run if there were, I agree, but as I’m sure you’ll also agree, there is no shortage of idiocy in our Republic.”
And you interpret that as me saying that I want to him to release his tax returns so I can find out how rich he is?
You’re even dumber than I thought you were (and that’s saying something). Other message boards have an “ignore” function where you can opt to not see other posters’ posts. It’s a pity this one doesn’t.
finding out how rich he is was your reasoning for not releasing the returns
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:55 pm
Wealth envy?
Hardly.
Just curious how a 401k can be valued at tens of millions of dollars. How does that work exactly? I always thought that contributions were capped at around 17k dollars per year.
I’m not envious, just interested to know.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:57 pm
“You are right, the tax code is stacked in favor of those that save and invest, rather than those who consume.”
I mean, that would be great if our economy weren’t based off CONSUMPTION and had not been so for several generations.
But no, keep peddling that stuff. Eventually someone will buy it.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
2:59 pm
Name calling can be overdone, that is for sure, but a rose by any other name smells just as sweet, and if it walks like a duck and quacks, it is a duck.
Jack
August 22nd, 2012
3:00 pm
A concern for all us should be that Obama enjoys the support of voters like those that elected Hill as sheriff of Clayton County. Like Obama, Hill is promising to deliver more than he is capable of.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:00 pm
Didn’t mean to hijack the thread.
Now back to Mediscare…
How’s this for Mediscare….Ryan pushes his plan as a great fix, and promises seniors that folks over age 55 won’t be affected. So what, it’s so egregious that the only way he can get seniors to sign on is if he promises them the changes won’t affect them? So what, just us youngsters get screwed?
Great plan Ryan.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:02 pm
“A concern for all us should be that Obama enjoys the support of voters like those that elected Hill as sheriff of Clayton County. Like Obama, Hill is promising to deliver more than he is capable of.”
Yeah, demographics Obama won in ‘08
Blacks
Latinos
Women
College educated
Youngsters
What a terrible showing, eh?
Jack
August 22nd, 2012
3:03 pm
401Ks enjoy appreciation beyond contributions.
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:04 pm
Using the compound interest formula, please show me how contributing $17,000 a year will lead to an appreciation of tens of millions.
southpaw
August 22nd, 2012
3:07 pm
Fred @2:51
The line between labeling and name calling may be hazier than you think. If someone repeatedly lies, try saying “That’s a lie. That’s a lie, too. That’s also a lie.” Leave “You’re a liar” to lesser people.
As for Centrist, what’s obvious to you (far to the right) may not be obvious to someone else (e.g., Centrist). I described myself as “conservative” earlier, but I assure you that I don’t fit most of the liberals’ descriptions of “conservative” that I’ve seen on this blog. “Correctly” labeling things is fine, but don’t fall for hubris while you’re doing it. There is a chance, however slight, that your label is incorrect. One possibility worth considering: Centrist distinguishes between conservative media (e.g., Fox, WSJ) and liberal media. I didn’t see that distinction in your post, although you may have thought something along that line.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
3:08 pm
Didn’t mean to hijack the thread.
Now back to Mediscare…
How’s this for Mediscare
++++++++++++++++++++++++++And HERE we have a perfect example of grey journalism, talk radio bs, and stupid lying phrases. (I know you didn’t originate it SBinF, Kyle did).
Centrist would have you believe ion (and be “scared” of this mythical far left wing main stream media” conglomerate, yet gives a free pass to the FOX/ talk radio group that passes on BS (and Kyle as well) like this. ‘Mediscare.”
All the right sells anymore is fear. They have run completely out of ideas. they fear monger. The “evil” Islamist. The “evil messicans” the “evil liberals” you can’t listen to FOX or a talk radio for 2 minutes without hearing scared, or fear, or some derivative thereof.
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:09 pm
Fred posted “Judging from that post and the talk radio verbiage used you are a hard core right wing fanatic… Would a true Centrist write that or would a true Centrist realize that FOX is media, The Wallstreet Journal is Media.”
Fred, first I am a secular humanist, pro-choice, and agree we need a Buffet Rule to tax the relatively few extremely wealthy as we do wage earners – not Republican. I don’t listen to talk radio.
Second, mentioning the conservative WSJ and Fox while ignoring the liberal MSM of ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, all big city newspapers, USA Today, the AP and Reuters news services, and Hollywood TV and movie production is a very weak straw dog. It is you, sir, who is fake.
td
August 22nd, 2012
3:10 pm
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
I don’t remember Teresa Kerry running for president. Maybe I was in a coma that election cycle.
And John McCain was required to disclose his finances as a part of the Senate, so it’s not quite correct to say he only released two years of tax info.
Did Romney not have financial disclosures released as the Governor of Mass?
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:13 pm
He was governor from 2003-2007.
What about 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011??
SBinF
August 22nd, 2012
3:21 pm
And of course the prevailing issue, that we’re even asking these questions. Here’s a guy, born into money, given money to start his business, made millions, but he isn’t comfortable telling us how he did it. What I expect out of a president is not a person who takes every shortcut he can to avoid paying taxes. It’s not wealth envy….I work as a teacher, so it’s fairly obvious I’m not looking to get rich. I won’t begrudge someone who does, but again, I expect a president who will display a bit of character.
Romney has never wanted for anything, I don’t feel he is at all relatable to me, and I think the only reason he wants to be president is because he feels it’s owed to him and it’s his turn.
Obama ain’t perfect, but at least I get the sense that he talks straight (even if I don’t like what he says). Mitt has taken every position on every position. He nor Ryan are willing to get into specifics for their plans, and simply expect them to trust us.
No thanks….
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:22 pm
Nobody is required to release their income taxes. One rich guy wanting a richer guy to show he pays a lower, legal percentage rate is just gamesmanship. Obama will be paying that lower rate just like Clinton, Kerry, and Gore once he is out of office. Democrats couldn’t even pass a Buffet tax in the Senate they control – because, they too, enjoy that lower rate along with their friends, family, and campaign contributors. Obama and a few Democrats are only using it as a false campaign issue because they knows it will never pass.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
3:22 pm
It is you, sir, who is fake.
How? Prove what you just said. Oh wait, you can’t, because there’s not a shred of truth in it. Of COURSE you never listen to talk radio, that’s why you use their phrases. oh wait, they use YOURS. Yeah right, I get it.
You hit all the rigtht wing nutcase talk radio talking points but not really right? It’s just coincidence. Yes you ARE a Centrist, I see that now. You DIDN’T write, refering to the Obama administration:
This has been the modus operendi along with giving government benefits, tax exemptions, bailouts, and avenues for illegal votes to win.
That was someone else. Someone POSING as you. A REAl independent, or “centrist” such as myself would see the hypocrisy in that statement and realize BOTH parties do it. But not you, I mean the poser who posted under your name. HE didn’t see that, it’s on an evil “librul” thing. Only poor people get Government handouts, not oil companies or entities like……. um…… GE for instance. Naw, never that. Just brood mares and crack ho’s and ‘them peoples” and such………
i get it.
Sorry pal, you didn’t convince me the last time you did this step and fetch routine for the Republicans and you don’t convince me this time.
I DO listen to talk radio which is how I KNOW their phrases you silly little man.
Fred ™
August 22nd, 2012
3:24 pm
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:22 pm
Nobody is required to release their income taxes. One rich guy wanting a richer guy to show he pays a lower, legal percentage rate is just gamesmanship. Obama will be paying that lower rate just like Clinton, Kerry, and Gore once he is out of office. Democrats couldn’t even pass a Buffet tax in the Senate they control – because, they too, enjoy that lower rate along with their friends, family, and campaign contributors. Obama and a few Democrats are only using it as a false campaign issue because they knows it will never pass.
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Democrat bashing again. How “Centrist” of you lol.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
3:29 pm
if it walks like a duck and quacks, it is a conservative doctor or scientist
fixed yer typo…….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
3:33 pm
Southpaw, what did you call me a couple months ago? It’s cool names just roll off – probably due to the Krylon finish….
Centrist
August 22nd, 2012
3:36 pm
Fred – You aren’t listening because you are such a partisan leftist. I never voted for a Republican presidential nominee since Reagan (Libertarians and Perot twice). I often vote for Blue Dog Democrats – gave money to Democrat Ken Hodges against now Attorney General Sam Olens. I have consistently voted against Isakson and Chambliss.
But because I favor Romney over Obama (due to his record and gutter campaign style), you (want to) see me as some rabid right winger – even though I don’t support a Christian theocracy like so many, am pro-choice like so many, and would like to see a Buffet rule tax that neither wealthy Republican or Democrat Senators want.
I’m going to ignore your partisan posts from now on, so rant on your own.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
3:37 pm
Still, it helps that people don’t HATE Ryan
No, we just know he’s a fraud.
Here is Ryan in 2002. Here’s how Rep. Paul Ryan defended the stimulus bill proposed by President Bush that year (h/t MSNBC’s “Up With Chris). He sounds a little bit like Robert Reich:
What we’re trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they’ve passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work. In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place. We’ve got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don’t have the revenues that we wanted to, we don’t have the revenues we need … We’ve got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we’re trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who’ve lost their jobs …What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we’re trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs.
@@
August 22nd, 2012
3:43 pm
Well, at least some news is good.
Clayton County’s? Not so much.
Lynnie Gal
August 22nd, 2012
4:11 pm
False attack of Ryan’s plan? What “false” attack? It’s a fact that the Ryan plan turns Medicare into a voucher system. Fact. Not false attack. As far as Grannies who heart Ryan, those are the gullible, selfish Republican voting seniors who believe the lie that ONLY people under 55 will suffer under the Ryan plan. They don’t give a crap about the younger generation getting screwed out of their healthcare. They figure they’ll get theirs and to hell with anyone else. Well, they’ll get theirs, alright. Any senior that thinks Robme and Lyin aren’t going to touch their precious Medicare benefits are truly the world’s biggest fools. They’ll be thrown under the bus in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy starting on day one. Robme and Lyin have promised these greedy, decrepit Republican voting seniors that they won’t touch their Medicare, hoping they’ll fall for it. They might. These are seniors that, once they’ve climbed up the ladder, they pull it up quickly behind them so no one else can climb up. If they fall for this creepy little scam, they get what they deserve.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm
An anti-Barack Obama documentary based on conservative author Dinesh D’Souza’s book The Roots of Obama’s Rage will expand nationwide this weekend after doing notable business in select markets across the country — including in liberal-minded New York City.
Go see it, you might learn something.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm
An anti-Barack Obama documentary
If ya’ll can’t beat him with what knowledge you gained so far…..
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm
dang. oil companies!!! Gas companies!!!!! keep yer hands off my land!!!
According to the U.S. Constitution’s Fifth Amendment, in order to pursue eminent domain, the land must be taken for “public use” and the private property owners must receive “just compensation.”…Traditionally, the “public use” provision referred to projects like roads, schools, parks and other public facilities that could be directly used by all. However, the meaning of “public use” has been loosely interpreted in recent years. The controversial Kelo v. City of New London (2005) is credited with broadening the interpretation of “public use.” In this case, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of New London, deciding that the city could take private property and give it to another private entity for “economic development.” The Court decided that this met the “public use” provision of the Fifth Amendment. But despite taking the land and spending millions of taxpayer dollars on the proposed project, the plan never came to fruition and nothing was constructed. Now it seems that the oil and gas industry is capitalizing on this this precedent-setting case.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/how-some-states-are-giving-oil-and-gas-companies-right-take-your-land
Interested Observer
August 22nd, 2012
4:30 pm
RE: “This suggests seniors don’t buy Democrats’ false attacks that Ryan and Mitt Romney would change the deal for current retirees.”
Actually…Patients Would Pay More if Romney Restores [Obama] Medicare Savings, Analysts Say
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/index.html
Interested Observer
August 22nd, 2012
4:32 pm
Incidentally, Do Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want to turn Medicare into a privatized voucher program? PolitiFact says yes.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/16/barack-obama/does-paul-ryan-want-turn-medicare-voucher-program/
InAtl
August 22nd, 2012
4:38 pm
SBinF says: “Romney has never wanted for anything, I don’t feel he is at all relatable to me, and I think the only reason he wants to be president is because he feels it’s owed to him and it’s his turn.”
Just curious: Did you feel the same way about Al Gore or John Kerry?
Also you say: “Obama ain’t perfect, but at least I get the sense that he talks straight (even if I don’t like what he says). Mitt has taken every position on every position. He nor Ryan are willing to get into specifics for their plans, and simply expect them to trust us.”
You think Obama talks straight? What about his myriad of broken campaign promises? What about all his criticisms of things Bush did that once he himself became president he also did? I can provide a list of those if it’s really necessary. Mitt has admittedly changed his position on things, and I think it’s fair to take that into consideration, but Obama has flip-flopped even more than Mitt.
Ray
August 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
The public understands that neither party is advocating changes to Medicare that would impact the benefits of those already 65 years old, and those who will be 65 years old within the next years.
But our seniors are not selfish, they want everyone else to have the same piece of mind in knowing they will have health care coverage in their old age, and for the rest of their lives. They understand that future generations will not have same security.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
In the Senior communities where I live…..Seniors are SCARED TO DEATH.
One 90 year old senior said I am a Republican……I don’t know what I going to do.
I don’t have anything against Obama…
This is will be first time she voted Democrat.
SENIORS ARE MEDISCARED
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
The attacks aren’t working for SENIORS like Paul Ryan’s mother because
she has a son that will take care of her. She has two homes. Why should
she be scared?
OTHER seniors DON’T HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE.
von
August 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
I cant stand either of them. Ive voted Republican in every presidential election until now. The fact that this was the best the GOp could do sickens me. GARY JOHNSON 2012. At least I can look at myself in the mirror with that vote.
yuzeyurbrane
August 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
Dream on Kyle. I have seen the polls, too, and you neglect to mention that while seniors essentially think Ryan is a nice boy, a clear majority disagree with his Medicare proposals. Additionally your statement that Democratic characterizations of Ryan’s Medicare proposals (there are more than 1) are a lie is a lie. As I have actually heard middle aged white men Tea People say, “tell the gubmnt to keep its hands off my Medicare”. If Ryan gets elected, he will be the gubmnt.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm
An anti-Barack Obama documentary based on conservative author Dinesh D’Souza’s book The Roots of Obama’s Rage will expand nationwide this weekend after doing notable business in select markets across the country — including in liberal-minded New York City.
Go see it, you might learn something.
*************************************************************
Don’t fall for that old TRICK.
The film is about MAKING MONEY.
YOUR MONEY.
What have you not heard about Obama by now?
You are foolish to pay for something you have already heard.
CONS ARE STILL CON MEN.
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
4:55 pm
CONS and DEMOCRATS will be affected by this.
Don’t think that CONS are exempt.
Everyone will ATTACKED.
The RYAN’S plan DOES NOT SAY DEMOCRATS ONLY.
SlickRick - I'm votin' to ban 'libtard' from the 'conservatard' lexicon
August 22nd, 2012
4:56 pm
I really wish the gubmnt would keep its hands off middle aged white Tea People so that they can die quickly and stop screwing this country up for everyone else.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
“He said last summer was going to be the summer of recovery,” Ryan said. “It’s a summer later and it’s still worse. He said that the private sector is doing just fine, we need more government. This is President Obama’s imaginary recovery.
Yeah, Recovery Summer, heh, I had forgotten about that one.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
So do YOU belong to the political party that wishes their fellow countryman would die?
What if slick rick gets tired of waiting?
That’s right, we’ll another lunatic shooting up some theater.
pos
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm
“Romney has never wanted for anything, I don’t feel he is at all relatable to me, and I think the only reason he wants to be president is because he feels it’s owed to him and it’s his turn.”
Obama supporters ideology and philosophy is so flexible. I guess that is why they buy the status quo he is selling now, after supporting the Hope and Change they never got before.
Proof—–substitute John Heinz Kerry as the first word of the quote above and you wonder why we didn’t hear this in 2004. Where were his tax returns. Inconsistent? Pretty much! Didn’t matter then, but very important now!
SBinF, says she doesn’t want a President who uses the outs in the tax code to pay a lower rate than she does. So, how come you voted for Kerry. A guy who bought his yacht out of the country to avoid the luxury taxes and docked it in another state to avoid paying MA taxes. Hypocrites are so easy!
Help! Help! Help! Don't Take My Medicare. You Might As Well Shoot Me.
August 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm
WHY ARE MY COMMENTS NOW BEING BLOCKED.
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
CONS WILL ALWAYS BE CONS.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
Third time is the charm, this is the third recovery summer.
Kyle Wingfield
August 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm
getalife: Your week-long ban is up, and you’re back on the blog. The next one will last a lot longer than a week.