So far, Obama’s Mediscare attacks aren’t working

From The Fix at the Washington Post (headline: “Seniors [heart] Paul Ryan”), a result that cannot be received well at Obama 2012 headquarters:

Grandma isn’t scared of Paul Ryan.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows 41 percent of Americans view the new GOP vice presidential nominee favorably, while 37 percent rate him unfavorably — slightly improved from last week’s polling.

Among seniors, though, the numbers are even better for Ryan: 50 percent favorable and 35 percent unfavorable. Fully one-third of seniors say they have a strongly favorable view of the Wisconsin congressman, while one-quarter have a strongly unfavorable view.

In fact, those seniors whose view of Ryan is “strongly favorable” virtually tie all those who view him unfavorably to any degree, 33 percent to 35 percent. This suggests seniors don’t buy Democrats’ false attacks that Ryan and Mitt Romney would change the deal for current retirees.

For the record, that “slightly improved” standing for Ryan among all age groups is a move from a net minus-3 to a net plus-4. Meanwhile, the ranks of the undecided fell by 17 percentage points. That means more than two-thirds of those who settled on an opinion of Ryan during the past week now view him favorably. (No breakdown of seniors’ opinion in the earlier poll is available, so we have no trend for their views.)

More broadly, President Obama’s lead over Romney in the Real Clear Politics average of polls has fallen from 4.7 percentage points the day after Romney introduced Ryan as his running mate to 1.5 points today.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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1961_Xer

August 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm

Just saying..

August 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm

Pre-Akin, one guesses…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm

Cons still gonna lose by a landslide in November.

1961_Xer

August 22nd, 2012
12:14 pm

1. Everyone knows that the current arc-of-Medicare spending is unsustainable.
2. Most folks know that Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare. This blunts any Mediscare tactics by the left
3. If Republicans really wanted to gut Medicare, they had 6 years of W’s administration to attempt to do so. They had control of the House, Senate and WH.

From these three points, we can ascertain that something needs to be done about Medicare, Democrats are (currently) gutting it, and attempts to portray the Republicans as evil in this scheme look like a lie. At least the Republicans have put forth ideas… Dems have only attempted to demagogue those ideas while NOT suggesting anything at all and (in fact) gutting Medicare behind the scenes.

Folks are wising up the the fact that something has to be done, and the Dems have no intention of doing anything at all (except what they have already done).

ooooooooooo la la

August 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm

1961

You seem to be speaking with fork tongue.

If Democrats are gutting it then how have they done nothing?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm

2. Most folks know that Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare. This blunts any Mediscare tactics by the left

Wrong. Obamacare get’s to $716 billion by cuts to what is given to health care providers — it’s not a cut to recipients.

The health care providers AGREED to the cuts because they realized they would be offset by the larger pool of users.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm

Democrats’ false attacks that Ryan and Mitt Romney would change the deal for current retirees

Wait, the Cons have a plan? More than a guideline with lots of generalities? Oh, wait, isn’t that the Ryan plan? But Mitt says he is using his own plan. What does Mitt’s plan say about current seniors?

Auntie Christ

August 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm

Also from the same column Kyle is quoting from:

Polling still shows that Ryan’s plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program is an unpopular idea; a Pew poll on Tuesday shows 34 percent of American adults favor the plan, while 49 percent oppose it.

And: Obama leads in NBC/WSJ poll: A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows Obama leading Romney 48 percent to 44 percent.

So all of this proves what, exactly? Absolutely nothing. Quoting polls is a fruitless enterprise, sound and fury signifying nothing.

iggy

August 22nd, 2012
12:24 pm

MediScare isnt working and Obama hasnt put in an honest days work his entire life.

Simon

August 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm

crank up the death panels. the greatest generation can show their grandchildren unconditional love and off themselves.

Just saying..

August 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm

1961_Xer: August 22nd, 2012;12:14 pm-1. Everyone knows that the current arc-of-Medicare spending is unsustainable.
2. Most folks know that Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare. This blunts any Mediscare tactics by the left
3. If Republicans really wanted to gut Medicare, they had 6 years of W’s administration to attempt to do so. They had control of the House, Senate and WH….At least the Republicans have put forth ideas…

Actually, more than ideas: Medicare Part B.
Don’t be bashful Xer, be proud!

Mr. Holmes

August 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm

Out of curiosity, Kyle, what do you think of Jennifer Rubin’s work at WaPo?

SlickRick - glad to not have to worry about suffering through Myth Robme and The Boy Wonder's ineptocracy

August 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm

What of the fact that Robme ‘n Lyin’s plan will hasten the insolvency of Medicare and increase patient costs?

How about the WSJ’s poll showing some alarmingly negative indicators for the Robme ‘n Lyin ticket.

I see your crappy stats and raise you some non-crappy stats.

Steven

August 22nd, 2012
12:30 pm

That’s what you think! I see that the attacks ARE working!

MarkV

August 22nd, 2012
12:30 pm

Some people believe the lie that “Obama raided Medicare to pay for ObamaCare.” But what if they learn the truth?

Just saying..

August 22nd, 2012
12:32 pm

iggy: August 22nd, 2012-12:24 pm-…Obama hasnt put in an honest days work his entire life.

So only Mexican day laborers should be President?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
12:32 pm

Another trillion-dollar deficit.

Thanks, Democrats.

SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!

August 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm

Lil’ Barry – i’ll take the Dems’ trillion-dollar deficit over the Regressives’ multi-trillion dollar deficitS any day.

Just saying..

August 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 22nd, 2012-12:32 pm-Another trillion-dollar deficit.
Thanks, Democrats.

Deficit cause #1. Bush tax cuts
Deficit cause #2. Two foreign wars
Deficit cause #3. Medicare Part B

Douglas

August 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm

Finn says:
Wrong. Obamacare get’s to $716 billion by cuts to what is given to health care providers — it’s not a cut to recipients.

The health care providers AGREED to the cuts because they realized they would be offset by the larger pool of users.
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You must not be talking about all providers. Doctors had no say in it, so they did not agree to any cuts. What good is a large pool of users if the fees are so low that it’s a money losing proposition to service medicare users? Good luck trying to get a doctor to see you through medicare. And good luck on getting the best and brightest to continue to choose medicine as a career if Obamacare isn’t repealed.

Scott Fresno

August 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm

The $700 million is a cut in Medicare reimbursements to hospitals and insurers, not benefits for older Americans. If Romney restores it, it would actually increase premiums and co-payments for Medicare beneficiaries by $100s.

Beneficiaries, through their premiums and co-payments, share the cost of Medicare with the government. If Medicare’s costs increase — for instance, by raising payments to health care providers — so, too, do beneficiaries’ contributions.

Thanks for nothing, Romney!

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm

Hilarious…now the libtards blame Our President Bush for creating Medicare Part B!

Idiots.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm

The Vegas betting line:

Obama to win: 5/2
Romney to Win: 15/8

You cons need to get locked in on those odds now!

Oh, almost forgot one:
Ryan’s wife to Win, Place, and Show: 1/2.
That’s a sure thing!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 22nd, 2012
12:44 pm

OOOPS, the Obama line should be 2/5….my bad!

Jefferson

August 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm

Its the young candy asses that would let them take a program that they work and pay for and let it get sold out so wealthy americans can get huge tax cuts who need to wake up. You will not be able to buy insurance on your own nor will you save money to supplement retirement. Face the facts it won’t happen.

ooooooooooo la la

August 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm

How can any President run deficits without the direct approval and assistance of the House?

Does the House have the ability to close the checkbook any longer or as that changed?

Mr. Holmes

August 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm

now the libtards blame Our President Bush for creating Medicare Part B!

??? I think a couple posters have meant to refer to Medicare Part D, which covers prescription drugs and indeed went into effect in 2006, after being championed by President George W. Bush.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm

good luck on getting the best and brightest to continue to choose medicine as a career if Obamacare isn’t repealed.

So now thousands of young doctors are going to choose the ministry instead of health care? Or maybe they will become bus drivers instead? Whaaaaaaaaaa.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm

Did Obozo make Medicare Part D (which Our President Bush ran on and implemented) less expensive or more expensive?

And if it’s such a budget buster, why hasn’t Obozo done anything about it?

Obozo: America-hating do-nothing on entitlement spending.

jconservative

August 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm

“Another trillion-dollar deficit. Thanks, Democrats.”

Thank the Republican House also. Every penny spent was approved by Congress.

I always like to give credit to those who earn it.

Red

August 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm

Having not reached the age of 55 yet, I wonder how many months of private health insurance I will be able to buy when and if I reach age 70 with my $8000 voucher?

Assuming costs don’t go up, the average private insurance for a 70 year old with ‘average’ health conditioning, I’m sure, will probably be not more than $700 a month and there will be plenty of private for profit companies waiting to offer me their notion of ‘affordable’ private health insurance.

What could possibly go wrong with that plan?

cc

August 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm

Auntie Christ:

“So all of this proves what, exactly? Absolutely nothing. Quoting polls is a fruitless enterprise, sound and fury signifying nothing.”

Finally, a point we agree upon.

The only polls that count are those where voters cast a vote.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm

ooooooooooo la la: Does the House have the ability to close the checkbook any longer or as that changed?
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Not while the Senate and Obozo are obstructing.

cc

August 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm

Red:

“Having not reached the age of 55 yet, I wonder how many months of private health insurance I will be able to buy when and if I reach age 70 with my $8000 voucher?”

You can always elect to stay in the MediCare program.

What’s the problem?

SMMcMahon

August 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm

Romney/Ryan “mean it” when it comes to eviscerating government as a tool to help the middle class and improve society:

They would end Medicare and replace it with inadequate vouchers, thereby causing recipients to pay $6,000 – $13,000 more per year. They would raise taxes on the middle class by up to $2,000 per year — and destroy the government’s ability to invest in infrastructure, education, and other necessary things.

But when it comes to reducing the deficit, they are as much if not more of a fraud as virtually every other conservative for the past thirty years. The “savings” from all of Romney/Ryan’s proposed cuts and tax increases wouldn’t go to reducing the deficit. Instead, they would go to increasing military spending, and to $4.3 trillion in tax giveaways to millionaires and billionaires. Under Ryan’s plan, Romney would have paid less than 1% in taxes in 2010.

As for the national debt, Ryan’s proposal would lead to an increase in the national debt from its 2010 level of 60% of GDP to a peak of nearly 175% by 2050 and remain at 100% or more of GDP through 2080.

In short, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney aren’t offering a serious conversation about deficits. Instead, they are offering the GOP agenda of taking from the middle class to give to the wealthy on steroids.

SMMcMahon

August 22nd, 2012
12:53 pm

This guy said it all:

“Mitt Romney does not need to release any more income tax returns. The 2010 return that he did release clearly shows what he has in mind, if he and Paul Ryan have their way.

Romney and Ryan both want to drop the tax rate on interest, dividends and capital gains to zero. They have said this repeatedly. I am not an expert on taxes, far from it, but let’s look at just a few items from Mitt’s 2010 tax return: $3.3 million in interest, $5 million in dividends and $12.5 million in capital gains. Gee, how about that? All taxed at 15 percent. $.5 million ordinary income from speaking fees, probably taxed at the 35 percent level. His charitable giving was $1.5 million in cash and $1.5 million in non-cash. His taxable rate is said to be 13.9 percent for this year. IF MR. ROMNEY and Mr. RYAN THEIR WISH, MR. ROMNEY WOULD HAVE A TAX RATE OF LESS THAN 1%.

Would you trust someone to run this country, a person that uses every means possible to avoid paying taxes to the Federal and state governments, has numerous off-shore accounts and will not release even 5 years of his tax returns? Who has said many times, in so many words, that he wanted to drop the tax rates to zero on 95 percent of his income, should he become president and has lied about his tax returns before, while running for governor? And took a $77 thousand business deduction for his wife’s dancing horse?

Or would you want a person that has released 12 years of tax returns, wants to raise very slightly the top marginal tax rate for the very wealthiest people and leave the tax rate the same for 95 percent of the taxpayers? Is that really a tough question? Not for me. I am voting for Barack Obama, a man of the people, by the people and for the people.”

DAVID M. JUSTICE

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm

Red: What could possibly go wrong with that plan?
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Your own greed for other people’s money might lead you to vote Democrat and obstruct needed reforms, for one.

ooooooooooo la la

August 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm

Douglas

You are aware that med school aps, including in the state of GA, are on the increase across the nation, right?

Maybe talk radio or your favorite tv pundit didn’t mention it to you, but it is fact

Mr. Holmes

August 22nd, 2012
12:55 pm

Lil Barry: Your argument keeps changing. First you ridiculed “libtards” for claiming George W. Bush created Medicare Part D, which actually was championed by and created under the watch of … George W. Bush. And, incidentally, right from the start it was more expensive than people, including Bush, ever predicted.

Now you appear to be saying Obama is at fault for not somehow eliminating or “fixing” Part D. OK.

*(I’m kidding, of course. I know your point is simply to throw flames at Obama. It doesn’t really matter what you’re talking about or even if it’s true.)

SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!

August 22nd, 2012
12:55 pm

Kyle – Don’t you think it’s time to put the kaibosh on “libtards”? I know it’ll put a crimp in the conservatard’s daily meme, but rules are rules, no?

From the Center

August 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm

Just saying..

August 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 22nd, 2012-12:32 pm-Another trillion-dollar deficit.
Thanks, Democrats.

Deficit cause #1. Bush tax cuts
Deficit cause #2. Two foreign wars
Deficit cause #3. Medicare Part B

If this is true, then why didn’t we have trillion dollar deficits under Bush?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
12:57 pm

IF MR. ROMNEY and Mr. RYAN THEIR WISH, MR. ROMNEY WOULD HAVE A TAX RATE OF LESS THAN 1%.
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If you’re buying that, you’re ignorant of Ryan’s plan and should be quiet for a bit while you get the part your stoogemasters have left out of their little narrative.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm

I’m well within the rules, Slick.

Deal with it.

SlickRick - I'm votin' 'Merican - BHO all the way, baby!

August 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm

I’ll add: I know also that killing ‘libtards’ by silencing the conservatard will be a difficult pill for you to swallow, but a scene from Pulp Fiction is apropos here:

Marsellus to Butch: “The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That’s pride [messing] with you. [Mess] pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps. You fight through that [stuff].”

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm

Mr. Holmes: Lil Barry: Your argument keeps changing. First you ridiculed “libtards” for claiming George W. Bush created Medicare Part D.
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Show me where I did that.

Now don’t you wish you had paid attention?

Mr. Holmes

August 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm

… and should be quiet for a bit while you get the part your stoogemasters have left out of their little narrative.

Please. I’m begging you. Enlighten me. Since the candidates themselves have not released sufficient detail to prove or disprove the widely publicized idea that Ryan’s budget would drop Romney’s effective tax rate to 1%, I’m curious how a learned private gentleman such as yourself has such information.

Hillbilly D

August 22nd, 2012
1:02 pm

Red

My guess is that $8000 would have a hard time covering a 70 year old now, much less 15 years down the road. And I think one think most folks left, right and center will agree on is that medical costs will be higher 15 years from now, much higher.

Mr. Holmes

August 22nd, 2012
1:02 pm

Errr… post at 12:43 pm?

Now, you did get the letter wrong (B instead of D), but, really, compared to your normal mistakes that was pretty to look past.

Mr. Holmes

August 22nd, 2012
1:03 pm

pretty easy to look past, I meant.

Douglas

August 22nd, 2012
1:03 pm

la la says:
You are aware that med school aps, including in the state of GA, are on the increase across the nation, right?

Maybe talk radio or your favorite tv pundit didn’t mention it to you, but it is fact

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