Poll Position: Should Obama dump Biden from the ticket?

After a week when Joe Biden employed his best Delaware drawl to warn “y’all” the GOP wants to put you “back in chains,” told the same Virginia crowd that they would help President Obama win North Carolina this year, and declared America perfectly capable of leading the worldwide automotive industry well into the 20th century, the vice president is catching plenty of heat. Naturally, the rumors are swirling that he will, or should, be replaced on the Democratic ticket this year.

Should Obama dump Biden from the ticket?

  • No, Biden's still the man (367 Votes)
  • No (because Biden helps the GOP!) (328 Votes)
  • Yes -- for Hillary! (264 Votes)
  • Yes, even if Hillary won't do it (194 Votes)
  • I don't know (40 Votes)

Total Voters: 1,193

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Ed Klein, author of a book about the Obama administration, said last night on CNBC that Hillary Clinton was offered, and turned down, the job — two weeks ago. Personally, I would be surprised if that entire conversation — from Obama “putting out feelers” to Clinton turning them definitively away — had already taken place. But I wouldn’t be surprised if such conversations were happening inside the Obama campaign. Biden is a liability, and looks even more like a drag on the Obama campaign compared to the smooth, serious Paul Ryan on the GOP side.

But let’s say Klein has it right. Is Hillary the only person Obama should ask? At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey suggests she isn’t even the best replacement Obama could make. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana are two people he says would be better than her. I don’t know about that: For all the Democrats’ talk of the (phony) “war on women,” I think there would be a lot of angry liberal women if Obama was seen as having passed over Hillary again. And it’s not as if she could reveal publicly that she’d turned down the job without really angering Obama: A sitting president sure wouldn’t want to be seen as settling for his third choice as a running mate.

So how about it: Should Obama dump Biden for someone else, and if so, who? That’s this week’s Poll Position question. Answer in the nearby poll and in the comments thread below.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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323 comments Add your comment

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 17th, 2012
10:29 am

No, no, no, Biden’s a great VP, we couldn’t ask for any better choice.

Please keep him, for the sake of the country!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 17th, 2012
10:32 am

It really doesn’t matter which dimwitocrat fills out the dummycrat ticket.

They’re toast.

Skip

August 17th, 2012
10:35 am

A better question would be, should R&R switch places on the ballot?

Kyle Wingfield

August 17th, 2012
10:42 am

I meant to include this in the OP but forgot: a report by The Hill saying the White House insists Biden will remain on the ticket.

Of course, what else would they say if no one else has been lined up to replace him yet?

SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy

August 17th, 2012
10:43 am

Why focus on the veeps? Is it because the man at the top of the R ticket is such a big pile of phoney baloney? Methinks the R’s are running scared. It is a canard of the modern political boxing match that if you’re responding, you’re losing. And boy oh boy oh boy is Myth Robme responding.

As to the question, meh, I don’t think it much matters. I could see Hillary on this ticket as a nice segueway to her run in 2016. Conversely, I can see Joe remaining on, the 2 of them winning, and a very successful ‘nother 4 years.

Sorry, cons, but this just isn’t your time.

Mr. Holmes

August 17th, 2012
10:43 am

Lazy topic. Ain’t gonna happen.

In the Middle

August 17th, 2012
10:44 am

No. Why was what he said more offensive to you than Gingrich calling Obama the “Food Stamp” President? Or, Governor Romney saying that Obama doesn’t want to make you work, they will just send you a welfare check?

RW-(the original)

August 17th, 2012
10:44 am

Didn’t Biden just get the same sentence the Pu…err “Feline” Riot band got in Russia?

They BOTH suck

August 17th, 2012
10:45 am

“Of course, what else would they say if no one else has been lined up to replace him yet?”

Seeing that the story had been floated by right leaning media with back up quotes from Palin and McCain, why would they have a back up

Darwin

August 17th, 2012
10:46 am

Yes – he should be replaced with Willie Horton. As we know, Republicans never have blood on their hands.

They BOTH suck

August 17th, 2012
10:47 am

Kyle

The Biden getting replaced story had about as many legs as the Drudge story that basically said Petarus was a valid choice for the Romney ticket

Needless to say it crawled for a day or two and is now dead

Kyle Wingfield

August 17th, 2012
10:47 am

A fair point @ 10:45, They Both.

JDW

August 17th, 2012
10:48 am

Much to do about nothing…don’t think Biden is going anywhere nor do I think he should.

RW-(the original)

August 17th, 2012
10:50 am

It would really be unfair to take all this away from us.

They BOTH suck

August 17th, 2012
10:51 am

Kyle

Of course I could be wrong, but I see OH going to Obama.

With that said, I do think WI is in play and of course FL is tight and will be interesting to see how that plays out.

NC is Romney’s. VA a toss up.

Skip

August 17th, 2012
10:54 am

Willie Horton was an outfielder for the Detroit Tigers, what’s he got to do with anything?

Skip

August 17th, 2012
10:54 am

Willie Horton was an outfielder for the Detroit Tigers, what’s he got to do with anything?

ragnar danneskjold

August 17th, 2012
10:54 am

As Biden is the smarter of the two democrat candidates, probably would not be terribly helpful to their cause.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 17th, 2012
10:56 am

For all the Democrats’ talk of the (phony) “war on women

In South Dakota they are trying to make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/16/south-dakota-license-kill-abortion-providers/

When does the phony “War on Christmas” start ?

Bet you dont think that one is phony though huh ?

SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy

August 17th, 2012
10:57 am

RW-(the original) – I see your Bidenisms and raise you with Bushisms: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/bushisms/2000/03/the_complete_bushisms.html.

I think I win this round with a KO. After all, it includes this gem (as but one of many):

“I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system.”—Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

nelson

August 17th, 2012
10:57 am

Biden should stay on the ticket. He is an enormously elegant speaker, never stooping to those metaphors that come out so brazenly biased and pandering to certain segments of the populace. He is a real plus to the Obama ticket.

1961_Xer

August 17th, 2012
10:58 am

Joe Biden is an absolute joke. He is unfit for any office higher than chief dog catcher.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 17th, 2012
11:00 am

Bush is back on the ballot?

RW-(the original)

August 17th, 2012
11:00 am

What ticket is Bush on?

1961_Xer

August 17th, 2012
11:01 am

The Biden getting replaced story had about as many legs as the Drudge story that basically said Petarus was a valid choice for the Romney ticket

Drudge doesn’t have stories. Drudge has links (to other articles/stories around the net).

Centrist

August 17th, 2012
11:01 am

Few people vote for or against the ticket because of who is the VP. Whatever Obama might gain by getting Hillary or somebody that isn’t a dolt like Biden, he would lose stature by having first picked/ then dumped him. Looks like we will continue to wish Obama good health, unless Romney upsets him.

Hillbilly D

August 17th, 2012
11:02 am

I don’t think it makes a bit of difference whether he keeps Biden or not.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 17th, 2012
11:03 am

Of course I could be wrong, but I see OH going to Obama.

With that said, I do think WI is in play and of course FL is tight and will be interesting to see how that plays out.

NC is Romney’s. VA a toss up.

Electoral map looks horrible for Cheesy Grits.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

Thats about how its gonna end up.

Cheesy needs every single toss up to win.

Not gonna happen.

Claire

August 17th, 2012
11:04 am

Debra de lee anyone?

the cat

August 17th, 2012
11:04 am

You cons are so screwed.

SBinF

August 17th, 2012
11:05 am

Why, because John McCain said so?

With all due deference to Mr. McCain and his career, he chose Sarah Palin. I’m not sure that really qualifies him to comment any further on the topic.

Biden’s a pretty good guy, let’s keep him.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 17th, 2012
11:05 am

What ticket is Bush on?

The Romney one.

Cheesy is promising all the same policies using all the same advisers.

Doug at TerryReport com

August 17th, 2012
11:06 am

IN response to this item in the column:

“Biden is a liability, and looks even more like a drag on the Obama campaign compared to the smooth, serious Paul Ryan on the GOP side.”

Say what? Did you possibly watch Ryan’s interview with Republican friendly Fox News, conducted by Britt Hume? Ryan comes off in that interview as very unsure of himself, kind of like a House member suddenly thrust into a national campaign for which he was unprepared (otherwise known as the Palin syndrome). Here’s the link:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1785458730001/paul-ryan-on-medicare-budget-plan-relationship-with-romney

SBinF

August 17th, 2012
11:08 am

Also, was Paul using racially charged language when he invoked shackles??

John S

August 17th, 2012
11:08 am

If we were to replace people based on the slips of the tongue, “W” would have been gone in the first month of his presidency!

They BOTH suck

August 17th, 2012
11:08 am

“Cheesy is promising all the same policies using all the same advisers.”

Not all but yes he has numerous campaign and policy advisers.

While adverse to being seen with Bush and Cheney as well as even mentioning them, he is employing many of their background folks.

SBinF

August 17th, 2012
11:09 am

“Biden is a liability, and looks even more like a drag on the Obama campaign compared to the smooth, serious Paul Ryan on the GOP side.”

Paul Ryan is so “cool” he couldn’t even tell Brit Hume what tax deductions he’d be willing to kill until after the election.

Yeah, he’s cool all right.

@@

August 17th, 2012
11:09 am

“They’re going to put y’all back in chains.”

Actually, it was “They goan’a put y’all back in chains.”

Biden, at least has experience. At what, I’m not sure.

Progressives already view Obama as disloyal. Dumping Biden wouldn’t restore their faith.

The “Obama’s got a big stick” has to be my all-time favorite.

If you say so, Joe.

schnirt

SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy

August 17th, 2012
11:12 am

Q: What’s the definition of insanity?

A: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Conclusion: Republicans are insane.

(But then we already knew that.)

Schnirty

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 17th, 2012
11:12 am

Republican’s best chance is to bribe Ralph Nader to run.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 17th, 2012
11:13 am

“Biden is a liability, and looks even more like a drag on the Obama campaign compared to the Eddie Munster twin, Paul Ryan on the GOP side.”

fixed yer typo.

Doug at TerryReport com

August 17th, 2012
11:14 am

I am no great fan of Joe “the mouth” Biden, but replacing him at this date would probably serve only to make Obama look desperate and disorganized. Had there been a plan for Biden to move into another job, then it might be possible to shift him out without cries of “chaos!” coming from the media. I believe Hilliary is entirely sincere in saying she wants a break. She has stopped, for one thing, caring about her hair and how she looks in public. In a sense, she’s already gone, she’s just waiting for the bell to ring. From what I have read, the Clintons also really enjoy the small town life in New York state, when they get a chance to be there. She went from being first lady, to US Senator to Secretary of State without a pause. Who wouldn’t want some time off, particularly at her age? (She turns 65 this year.) In short, it ain’t gonna happen.

MarkV

August 17th, 2012
11:15 am

The whole silly question is based on Republicans’ silly idea that some Democrats would not vote for the Obama/Biden ticket because of some occasional Biden’s gaffe.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 17th, 2012
11:15 am

Dang, Cheesy, that map depicts a landslide.

Can you say “mandate”?

They BOTH suck

August 17th, 2012
11:15 am

@@

It is better to say “say it aint so Joe” then wink a few times..

;-)

That worked pretty well. Well on second thought, it didn’t work at all

Kyle Wingfield

August 17th, 2012
11:16 am

Wow, Cheesy. You’ve set a new bar for yourself when it comes to deception.

S.D. legislators are not trying to make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. As it says in the article you linked, they are trying to enhance pregnant women’s right to self-defense, and someone warned that the change could unintentionally allow the killing of abortion doctors. The bill’s sponsor said the point was to defend against illegal acts, and abortion is legal.

RW-(the original)

August 17th, 2012
11:16 am

Cheesy is promising all the same policies using all the same advisers.

Heavan forbid we get back to 5% growth and 4% unemployment…..but all snark aside that really is one of the biggest problems we have in government. No matter who’s in power or how many times you change them the very same staffers are in the background calling all the shots. The candidates we vote for are mostly just mirages no matter which political direction you lean.

Lezro

August 17th, 2012
11:17 am

Did Biden say something that could be taken (and may have been meant) racially? of course.

Is it about time someone admitted what this entire election is about, and why people actually hate Obama so irrationally? Damn right.

I think Mr. Biden is a breath of fresh air, and the Republicans hate to have their underlying motives pointed out. Keep him, about time someone in Washington called a spade a spade. :)

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 17th, 2012
11:18 am

Clark Howard says it may take 7 more years for the economy to come back — no matter who is in the white house.

this group of people who voted in this poll

August 17th, 2012
11:19 am

Most of you here that have said he’s doing a great job should be the first to pay the Stupid Tax that is so needed In America! Obamanation is Fn things up!! All of you think its Great! Shame on you all! How could people see things so different! ? Obamanation said Bush should be locked up for treason for our 300 Billion depth, now that its over 7 Trillion, its okay? I have never had a single issue with Medical insurance in my life and now I can’t get Insulin or any meds because of what he did to Insurance! He is the Anti Christ! I am Not Wrong!