2012 Tuesday: ‘2016′ says we don’t know the president we elected in 2008
At a friend’s request, I went to the theater Sunday to see “2016: Obama’s America” (it’s true, I’m not the most political person I know). The movie, if you haven’t heard, is the work of Dinesh D’Souza, the Indian-born conservative commentator and college president whose 2010 book, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” argued the president’s world view was shaped heavily by his anti-colonialist Kenyan father.
I’m no movie critic, so I’ll spare you my thoughts on the cinematography (I’ll only note that D’Souza worked on the film with Hollywood veteran Gerald R. Molen, and it shows in the film’s production quality). The movie’s about our president’s past and what that means for our future, and I’ll focus on that.
D’Souza dispenses early on with any notions of birtherism, noting briefly, but pointedly, that Obama was born in Hawaii. Instead, he makes the far more interesting argument that what’s foreign is Obama’s ideology, shaped in absentia by a father he barely knew. His evidence for his claim is two-fold: Excerpts from Obama’s own autobiography, “Dreams From My Father” (the film liberally quotes from the audio version of the book, narrated by Obama himself), and footage from D’Souza’s travels to the places of Obama’s youth, Hawaii and Indonesia, as well as to Kenya. There are also phone conversations, videotaped on both ends, with sociologists such as Shelby Steele who try to explain what makes Obama tick.
What D’Souza turns up on his trips is often less than compelling: Brief doesn’t begin to describe what he gets from an interview with a retired Hawaii professor who knew Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham; a lengthier exchange with Obama’s half-brother, George, in Nairobi ultimately fails to land a blow on the president. But that’s not to say there’s no substance to the story.
Briefly, D’Souza’s narrative goes like this: The elder Obama was an anti-colonialist (this much is confirmed in interviews with a pair of his contemporaries; Obama Sr. of course died in a car wreck in 1982) whose antipathy toward Kenya’s British rulers was distinct from America’s earlier rebellion from the British in that it was also a rejection of the West and capitalism. Dunham (who died in 1995) fervently transferred these beliefs to a young Barack — and even sent him home to Hawaii from Indonesia when her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, took a job with a U.S. oil company and got a little too friendly with actual breathing capitalists. Back in Hawaii, her father arranged for young Barack to have a mentor named Frank Marshall Davis, a writer and card-carrying Communist who was on the FBI’s radar. From there, we hear of Obama’s adult associations with which we’re more familiar, including Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
This is a vetting of Obama’s background that, D’Souza plausibly argues, was given short shrift in the 2008 campaign. For instance, D’Souza notes that Obama’s famous speech about race relations, to address the steady stream of Wright’s controversial statements (uncovered, let’s remember, while he was still contesting the Democratic primary against Hillary Clinton), was a deflection from the collectivist black liberation theology that laced Wright’s incendiary sermons. That, D’Souza claims, allowed Obama to keep his dealings with Marxists mostly out of the public eye on his way to the White House.
It is a vetting that is worthwhile for anyone interested in current U.S. politics, if only because it is so reliant on Obama’s own words. (Here, I must acknowledge I haven’t read “Dreams” and can’t say whether D’Souza is cherry-picking Obama’s quotes or taking them out of context; if he did, however, he has given his critics a huge tool to use in discrediting him.) As an immigrant from another former British colony who is the same age as Obama, D’Souza presents an intriguing figure with alternating sympathy for and critique of anti-colonialism.
That’s the first half of the movie. From there, D’Souza delves into purely political commentary and prognostication that most likely will resonate with you, or not, in close correlation with your own political leanings. I won’t spoil his conclusions, but I will say they err toward the most pessimistic, even conspiratorial end of the right side of the spectrum.
If there’s a tragic aspect of the film, it’s that the only people likely to see it are those who have already made up their minds against Barack Obama. It deserves as well an airing among his supporters and those precious few who are unsure about him, to point out where they think D’Souza is wrong and consider the ways he might be right.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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ByteMe
August 14th, 2012
7:19 am
That, D’Souza claims, allowed Obama to keep his dealings with Marxists mostly out of the public eye on his way to the White House.
And… that’s where the crazy starts…. When you start to see Marxists under every enemy’s bed, you pretty much lost your bearings somewhere over China.
I won’t spoil his conclusions, but I will say they err toward the most pessimistic, even conspiratorial end of the right side of the spectrum.
REALLY? I’m shocked! A conservative takes a pessimistic view of Obama. Shocked, I say!!
Ok, not really.
independent thinker
August 14th, 2012
7:21 am
What is equally hilarious is a rich white guy from Wisconsin who hates Progressives, pals with Glenn Beck and voted for unfunded Medicare drugs to get W reelected and now rails against Progessives who are increasing the deficitt. This guy needs to be back in the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile and not the House of Representatives voting no on everything including increasing taxes on the rich to cut the deficit.
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
7:21 am
The people who need to see the film are at home drinking the Kool-Aid and not eating popcorn at the theater. D’Souza’s film only confirms my contention thatObama’s ideology is out of touch with what made America a great nation.
southpaw
August 14th, 2012
7:25 am
Will the DVD be for sale before Election Day?
DeborahinAthens
August 14th, 2012
7:27 am
One question. Are these wealthy beyond belief presidents and candidates that were sub-par students in college, who admit to using drugs and being drunk half their lives preferable? I hear about how anti American Obama is, yet, it was Nixon who was a thug, it was Bush who took away the most basic American right and freedoms. He opened the door to holding American citizens in prison indefinitely without a trial. His USA Patriot Act is the very anathema to the Bill O Rights. Most of our recent Presidents have been men of privilege. Why do yo think this is a better way to be raised? In the almost four years of the Obama presidency, I have observed a man confronted with the most incredible complex and horrific financial meltdown in our lifetimes. Don’t you remember how bad things were in 2008?? A “socialist” a “communist” would have sat back and let Capitalism self destruct-which was what McCain was going to do. I am a Capitalist who still has a job because of the courage Obama displayed during a very bad time, a time during which the Republicans have done their best to prevent any program that would benefit the average American in recovery. So you idiots vote for the two Rs. Both wealthy, privileged men who seem on to have one purpose in mind….keep their boots on the necks of the not so privileged.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 14th, 2012
7:27 am
Obama’s America 2016?
Please.
.
Bush/Obama and the Gang of 525’s America since 2001 has turned our country into the USSR just prior to their collaspe.
The only difference is that US citizens have to perpetually Pee in bottles to exist and our Gulag System is more expansive than world history has ever recorded….and profitable.
DeborahinAthens
August 14th, 2012
7:30 am
Sorry for the typos.
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
7:43 am
Pretty crazy when a centrist Democrat evokes such hysterical, conspiracy-inspired naratives from the right. I’m with Deb: the century that made America great was a time of social reforms, common sacrifice during our wars (pre-Viet Nam), and much higher taxes on the rich. Ever noticed that the deficit is only important when a Democrat is in office? And that the lion’s share of the debt is on the Republicans’ watch?
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
7:56 am
antinewt, 7:43,
” a centrist Democrat”…… BWhahahahahahahahahahahahah
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
7:56 am
It didn’t take all the paid liberal bloggers long to get off topic.
Is this an open discussion blog now?
JDW
August 14th, 2012
7:56 am
antinewt…”Ever noticed that the deficit is only important when a Democrat is in office? And that the lion’s share of the debt is on the Republicans’ watch?”
Indeed I have and my my isn’t it funny to watch our host and rest of the Con Nation gnash their teeth when it is pointed out.
As for the movie I am sure that it is just as even handed, fair and relevant as Michael Moore’s work.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:01 am
And let’s consider the Reverend Wright for a moment:
Obama went to this church over the course of 20 years – that’s about 1,040 sermons. Most conservatives think Wright only had 1 topic for those 1,040 sermons.
seriously?
Bob Loblaw
August 14th, 2012
8:01 am
I’d rather watch “The Campaign” and just let all these wanna-be movie producers like Denish and Michael Moore play to their extremes to try to make money. It’s all doubletalk!
iggy
August 14th, 2012
8:03 am
We need another USSR, a common outside enemy, to influence these chowder head liberals as they certainly cant see the enemy within.
iggy
August 14th, 2012
8:04 am
“a centrist Democrat”……
Yeah, thats rich.
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
8:05 am
1200 days and $5 trillion in debt since the Dems passed a budget and you are citing Republican deficits? Gimme a break. Obama the centrist
saved the unions and simply kicked the can down the road on the problem. Where is his plan for getting it fixed? He has had 4 years to figure it out and it’s not Bush’s fault anymore…if it ever was thanks to help from a Democratic Congress.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:05 am
So, only white people can be anti British colonialism? People like Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson?
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:05 am
JDW: Not sure I would disparage Moore’s work with that comparison. I think Sicko was very relevant, particularly in regards to the current healthcare mash up.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
8:05 am
Is that what PMSNBC told you, Finn?
Have you actually ever been to a church?
obozo’s cleric Wright had many opportunities to hate on whitey, the USA, J-E-W-S, Monica Lew~~~~~winsky and just about any other enemy his angry little mind could conjure up.
With obozo whoopin and hollerin with the rest of the whackjob congregation.
skydog
August 14th, 2012
8:07 am
Good points Deborah.
My father raised me ” separate but equal” down in Albany. I rejected this teaching by age 10 even though I did not tell my father for a few more years.
We all have to think on our own at some point in our lives.
When are you Repubs going to start?
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:07 am
Iggy needs to take off the red sunglasses. There’s other colors in the spectrum he’s missing out on.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
8:08 am
How come obozo skeedaddled from iman wright’s church the minute the gig was up?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:10 am
I guess I report is used to those churches where they put 1 sermon on continuous loop – same BS over and over and over again….kinda like Fox News.
iggy
August 14th, 2012
8:11 am
Have you red the communist manifesto? Perhaps you should.
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
8:11 am
Centrist is funny stuff..he is the MOST LIBERAL President ever. He thinks government is the answer to EVERYTHING, he has the most aggressive Liberal social agenda and he shoved government mandated healthcare reform down our throats. If Obama is Centrist, then so is John Birch.
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
8:13 am
Jeremiah Wright had different sermons but the worldview was the same. Obama had no problem with it until it was a political liability. Not the same as not believing it and acting upon it.
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:13 am
Lib Par:” He has had 4 years to figure it out and it’s not Bush’s fault anymore”
Would be nice, and very good for America, if the party of personal responsibility ever took any responsibility for anything.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:14 am
he shoved government mandated healthcare reform down our throats
No, we shoved it down some of your throats. Many of us accepted it with no hostility.
Darwin
August 14th, 2012
8:15 am
Republicans = Are the only ones God talks to. Are the only ones who are patriotic. Are the only ones who care about family values. Are the only ones who are for personal responsibility. Are the only ones for free market capitalism. Blah Blah Blah…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:16 am
So you folks can go to churches and elect people who say black people, hispanics, and the poor are ruining your lives….but Obama can’t go to a church that says something similar with a different scapegoat?
Cosby
August 14th, 2012
8:17 am
Obama, Harry, Nancy, Barney and all the rest need to be vetted as well. The idea that 52% of the population do not to pay taxes leaving 48% of those who are still working to pick up the slack. sooner or later the “Chickens will come home to roost” and the bill will have to be paid. Obama and gang have proven they have no clue how to cut spending or how to put the USA back to work nor do they appear even concerned. The question needs to be “What happens when the 48% get tired of carrying the load and quit paying taxes as well”…then who pays for those EBT cards to purchase stripers with? Hmmmm…mayby it is time for “Change”
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
8:17 am
Once the old Prez is out it’s up to the new Prez to fix it. That’s what hope and change was all about… right? Bush’s 2 wars and Part D weren’t good for the economy but the Democratic Congress enabled him so there is enough blame to go around for both sides. I am more concerned with the solution than what caused the problem. Where is Obama’s solution. He has to sling mud because he has no accomplishments that have made this country better in the long run.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:17 am
Just wait to see what we shove down your throats after November.
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:18 am
“he shoved government mandated healthcare reform down our throats”
You righty’s love that image just a little too much for this Georgia boy.
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
8:19 am
Darwin speaks the TRUTH. It’s not that Liberals don’t believe all those things, they just have a funny way of showing it.
quick work break
August 14th, 2012
8:19 am
shill
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
8:20 am
I am a Georgia boy too so I know what a bully is. If you have to bribe people to get your way, maybe your way ain’t the right way.
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
8:21 am
There is little doubt in the minds of a large segment of Americans that Bozo hates this country and all it stands for. A free enterprise economy flies in the face of everything he holds dear. Ever wonder why unemployment has been over 8.2% for the last 42 STRAIGHT months? He says that he has created 2.1M jobs in the last 3 and one half years. Perhaps but every one of them has been offset by those who have just quit looking. It’s a wash. Millions are still out of work. It almost makes you believe that it is part of the plan to make the American worker dependent on the government for everything. Cradle to grave government dependence. If this clown is not a socialist or even a Marxist, he has fooled a lot of people. He won’t run on his record…… he has no record. Just class division, pitting one segment of America against another to gain votes. I pity America if this idiot has another 4 years. But I pity most all of those sheep who will vote for him a second time. They are just as complicit as he is.
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:22 am
“economy but the Democratic Congress enabled him”
Yep, Tom, the dancing hammer, Delay was quite the RINO wasn’t he?
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
8:22 am
I have enjoyed this morning but must now go to work. I am part of the 48% that allows a large amount of the 52% to freeload.
JKL2
August 14th, 2012
8:23 am
byteme- And… that’s where the crazy starts…. When you start to see Marxists under every enemy’s bed, you pretty much lost your bearings somewhere over China
Except for all the people obama has surrounded himself with that are self-avowed socialists, marxists,and communists…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:24 am
must now go to work.
Yeah, get to it!
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:25 am
Awww, Kayacker 71 cares about the unemployed.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:25 am
Bozo hates this country and all it stands for
it’s awfully early to be drinking alcohol, isn’t it?
stands for decibels
August 14th, 2012
8:27 am
the collectivist black liberation theology that laced Wright’s incendiary sermons
I’m so old I can remember when what’s being called “collectivist” today by conservatives, used to be called “Christian.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:28 am
Here’s how much Obama hates America:
The stimulus is producing the world’s largest wind farm, a half dozen of the world’s largest solar arrays, and America’s first refineries for advanced biofuels. It’s creating a battery-manufacturing industry for electric vehicles almost entirely from scratch. It financed net-zero border stations and visitors centers, an eco-friendly new Coast Guard headquarters, a one-of-a-kind “advanced synchrotron light source.” It jump-started three long-awaited mega-projects in Manhattan alone—the Moynihan Station, the Second Avenue Subway, and the Long Island Railroad connection to the East Side—and it would have jump-started that multibillion-dollar rail tunnel to New Jersey as well if Governor Chris Christie hadn’t killed the project.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2012/08/the_new_new_deal_a_book_argues_that_president_obama_s_stimulus_has_been_an_astonishing_success.2.html
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:29 am
“Except for all the people obama has surrounded himself with that are self-avowed socialists, marxists,and communists…”
Can you name one member of Obama’s administration that is an avowed “socialists, marxists,and communists…”?
stands for decibels
August 14th, 2012
8:29 am
D’Souza dispenses early on with any notions of birtherism, noting briefly, but pointedly, that Obama was born in Hawaii.
That’s mighty white of Dinesh.
Anyway, Kyle, I’m glad you were able to stomach a screening of this docu. I can barely get past the spooky, boogah-boogah online adverts I’ve seen whilst googling.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:30 am
I can tell the Cons are getting rabid when Kyle writes two straight commentaries that lash out at the pure evil incarnate of the President of the US.
Kyle, wipe the foam off your chin.
stands for decibels
August 14th, 2012
8:31 am
Can you name one member of Obama’s administration that is an avowed “socialists, marxists,and communists…”?
oh, come on, there was that one guy who signed that online petition that one time, who Obama fired, and then there was… um…
J. Palmer
August 14th, 2012
8:31 am
I will not be spending money to see this film, but I appreciate your measured analysis.
If the best the film can do is closely link Obama to radical socialists, I don’t think that is too damning–at least not at this point in American capitalism’s downward spiral.
The following article explains the fading stigma associated with the “socialist” label:
http://politicdiscourse.com/2012/07/31/you-dont-know-jack-about-capitalism/
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:32 am
oh stands, and there a Muslim in congress – some guy from Minnesota.
Skeeeery stuff.
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:33 am
” If you have to bribe people to get your way, maybe your way ain’t the right way.”
Puhleese, what are you 8 years old?
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
8:35 am
Finn, 8:28,
And with all the good that all of these projects did…….a wind farm and solar arrays. That oughta do it. That oughta put a lot of America back to work. The electric car is a generation away from reality. How has the Chevy Volt done in sales, Finn? Creating battery manufacturing facilities for what? A misplaced dream of an electric vehicle? We are a nation dependent on fossil fuels for our survival. We have energy in the ground in this country that rivals many middle east oil suppliers. And we are building batteries for electric cars and funding defunct solar panel manufacturers like Solyndra. You have a strange outlook on what is good for this country, Finn.
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:39 am
“The idea that 52% of the population do not to pay taxes leaving 48% of those who are still working to pick up the slack. sooner or later the “Chickens will come home to roost” and the bill will have to be paid”
Social security, medicare, gasoline, sales, property, are not taxes??? Tell that to the hard working Americans struggling to raise a family.
Ayn Rant
August 14th, 2012
8:41 am
Some would say that Obama’s childhood experiences afforded him a mind-broadening, hands-on, education in the fundamentals of human life in all its foibles and glories. Some would say that his background and intelligence are the essential makings of a great national and world leader.
The notion that a person accepts and embraces every notion that he is exposed to, and is tainted by every person he comes in contact with, presumes that a privileged, parochial, spirit-numbing, mind-ossifying upbringing, like Mitt Romney’s, can create a wise and compassionate human being rather than a naive, robotic adult.
Although the silly film Kyle reviewed is a clumsy attempt to disparage Obama, thinking people could admire the depth and breadth of the young Obama’s exposure to conditions and ideas from which mature, intelligent perspectives can be shaped.
Obama’s books are more informative about his childhood experiences and influences than some clumsy bit of cinematography funded by an unnamed billionaire who chooses to spend capital on right-wing political propaganda rather than invest in job-creating American enterprise.
I’ll be viewing a Meryl Streep film tonight, not some pseudo-psychological political garbage!
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:43 am
Why should a guy making millions in capital gains pay less on it than is withheld from most workers’ pay checks?
stands for decibels
August 14th, 2012
8:45 am
this is seriously off topic, but since it’s been brought up by others–
You have a strange outlook on what is good for this country, Finn.
This from a guy who, two sentences back, declared “We are a nation dependent on fossil fuels for our survival.”
And I gotta ask–”dependent for how long?” And you should ask that too.
Assuming reliance to infinity on a finite resource, which becomes increasingly more expensive both to extract and to use, makes absolutely no sense. Thus, failing to try to capitalize on renewables–which our economic competitors are actively pursuing–would be tantamount to surrender at best (and treason, at worst), IMHO.
DannyX
August 14th, 2012
8:45 am
Kyle jumps the shark with this one.
bluecoat
August 14th, 2012
8:46 am
If Obama wanted to harm this country,how would he go about it?With a do nothing senate,an our way only house his hands are tied.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
8:46 am
If anyone didn’t really know who Obama was during the 2008 campaign, they weren’t paying attention.
It was all-too easy to spot the unaccomplished seat warmer with no executive experience and little legislative experience who remains ill-suited to the task of being the leader of the last remaining (but dwindling) hope for freedom in this world.
What a wasted four years.
WillisJames
August 14th, 2012
8:47 am
We are a people with our own opinions about various issues concerning America. We need to be aware that we are going to need eachother…one day. I am at all times aware that names such as Republician, Democrats or Liberals don’t mean anything to our lives as we all struggle in a country, with grave wealth that we fail to look behind and pull the other along. We have gotten that way by hearing and reading or seeing all of the negatives on anything we turn on. Who can better understand the way our world is really in but those of us who lives here and do nothing about it yet, either talk bad, be negative and go along with the “status quo” just to say we are involved in the process. I don’t know about any of you who have posted your comments but what I do know is, I am ashamed at how our elected leaders permit our state, our federal government to pull us all into the mess they got themselves in. We are paying way to much to live in this country because we have not fail to take the “bait” that is given to us. What car actually cost more than a house; and why do a house cost more because of how it is built; and then, why food, water, and all natural resources we have are being used to make our live even worse. When we speak about Healthcare, it is about high prices that President Obama have put us in, (no he has not), it is your insurance company that want you to pay more for less services and high co-pay. Do you think we need to have healthcare to help us to make our health better, cure any thing that may cause us our lives; each person can some but having none make’s us all pay for their services too. No matter what is said or done, we the tax payers pay for it and then we suffer at the hands who actually want us t pay more! We
already know that it is going to be about the “have(s) and “have not(s)” because some people think they are really better than the others…until they get down on their luck and then the shoe is quickly changed. I don’t tell know one how to vote or who to vote for. Already I see where Ryan and Romney is out to terminate how far we have come to going back and making those who want to be in the (have(s) group suffer even worse. When you know the middle class is destroyed, you begun to look at the next level of people and it is your turn to see how your vote actually did something negative instead of positive because you now have to pay for the mistake that is about to happen with Romney/Ryan ticket. However, you have to look for your self to see where you will be in the next 4 years if Romney/Ryan is elected because, not one of them can actually see where they are going in their own lives. I take serious my life and my future and I am not counting on either party because it all a game they play on all of us to see where we go in making them richer while we continue to suffer. I will end with this statement; go visit a hospital of your choice…..see the suffering of many, stricken with illness that will shake your sole and even cause you to tears. Watch and see the uglylessness when those who don’t have healthcare and die on the gurney because of the long, long wait to be seen. Then, put yourself or your family in that circumstances because no matter who we are, black, white, green, blue, of any race….people die because of lack of concerns for their being by others who can do something. So, even if President Obama do not serve a second term, will it make your life better? How long will it take the Romney and Ryan destroy what you think you have in place that will propel your future. With any new administration taking office….it take more than 4 years to put thing on track by then, we all will suffer because we go back, way back to restart over what we already have accomplished!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:48 am
kayaker, it’s called looking ahead. Planning for the future.
I know you Cons can’t see much past your own measly existence so I won’t expect you to understand.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
8:49 am
“Some would say that Obama’s childhood experiences afforded him a mind-broadening, hands-on, education in the fundamentals of human life in all its foibles and glories. Some would say that his background and intelligence are the essential makings of a great national and world leader. ”
Yes, and others would say that the above are out of touch with reality, as he has shown zero signs of being a leader in any way, shape or form.
stands for decibels
August 14th, 2012
8:49 am
Dang. I checked Intrade.com, so far nobody’s selling shares in “2016: Obama’s America grosses more than 5% of Fahrenheit 911 by Dec. 31, 2012″.
JDW
August 14th, 2012
8:53 am
These guys aren’t watching silly hack films…they have smelled the coffee…
“Away from the cameras, and with all the usual assurances that people aren’t being quoted by name, there is an unmistakable consensus among Republican operatives in Washington: Romney has taken a risk with Ryan that has only a modest chance of going right — and a huge chance of going horribly wrong.
In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives — old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike — the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79697.html#ixzz23WaAGljv
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
8:53 am
as he has shown zero signs of being a leader in any way, shape or form
Written by someone who believes George W Bush was a great leader – never mind his complete failure at business, on again-off again military service (we only show up when it’s convenient for us), using his daddy to get him into college and out of trouble for most of his youth and young adult life.
Now that’s a dang LEADER!
Cherokee
August 14th, 2012
8:55 am
Kyle your analysis was reasonably measured – but this entire topic is old news. The wacko right wing have deluded themselves into thinking that if only Obama were properly vetted, Americans would wake up and toss the guy out.
Ain’t gonna happen. We’ve evaluated all the half truths and lies tossed at him, and a majority of us basically like the guy. Even if we don’t always agree with him.
jconservative
August 14th, 2012
8:57 am
I always thought that what made Obama tick was his 8 years in an exclusive christian school.
antinewt
August 14th, 2012
8:59 am
“What a wasted four years.”
Healthcare reform, auto bailout, student loan reform, credit card reform, Bin Laden dead, terrorists everywhere burnt to a crisp by drone missles, etc. Perhaps if you would take your fingers out of your ears while screaming lalalalalalalalal, you might notice a very capable leader leading.
ByteMe
August 14th, 2012
9:00 am
We’ve evaluated all the half truths and lies tossed at him, and a majority of us basically like the guy. Even if we don’t always agree with him.
And there’s a 30-point gap right now on “likeability” between Obama and Romney. Can you guess what people will vote for someone they don’t like?
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
9:02 am
There is nothing wrong with exploring alternatives to fossil fuels. Our fossil fuels cannot last forever and they are dirty and produce pollutants that harm us. I don’t have a beef with spending money to explore ways to get us out of this mess. While we are doing this, however, we have to use the resources that we have. Bozo has essentially shut down oil production in this country on government lands. He has restricted offshore drilling. Look at the Dakotas. More jobs than people to fill them. No Keystone pipeline, no drilling in ANWAR. Bozo seems to be obsessed with “green energy” at the expense of most everything else. And it ain’t working.
iRun
August 14th, 2012
9:02 am
I hate to tell you but I’ve never met ANY black African who wasn’t anti-colonialist. And I’ve been to: South Africa, Namibia, Mali, Angola, Mozambique, Swaziland, Tanzania, and Uganda.
I mean, come on, you’re the indigenous people of a land and that land gets appropriated by a bunch of folks from another part of the world and in the doing they completely marginalize you, taking the resources of your land for their profit and excluding you from the benefit.
Take a walk in a shantytown outside CapeTown, why don’t you?
Julia
August 14th, 2012
9:09 am
blah blah blah pallin around with terrorists community organizer socialist communist Muslim not an American blah blah blah
yawn.
Whirled Peas
August 14th, 2012
9:09 am
When Rhodesia was run by whites, it was the breadbasket of Africa. Whites built and ran the railroads, built the coal mines and established a broad and prosperous agricultural economy.
But blacks could not have a white successful country in Africa. They became Zimbabwe, killed the whites, ripped up the railroads, chopped down the fruit trees, trashed the coal mines and now can not feed even themselves, much less the rest of Africa. But no one dare state the facts, because that would be raaaaaaaaaacist.
yuzeyurbrane
August 14th, 2012
9:10 am
What bs.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:10 am
“In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives — old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike — the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election.”
Given that it is these same inside-the-beltway Republicans that are responsible for destroying the brand and going off principle, it makes me all the more happy that Romney picked Paul Ryan. At least the Republicans are ready to have an adult conversation about what needs to be done to fix this country. Too bad Obama and Biden aren’t up to that particular challenge.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
9:12 am
Bozo has essentially shut down oil production in this country on government lands
Drilling for oil is now at a level higher than it ever was under W. But you can’t see that, can you?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:15 am
“And there’s a 30-point gap right now on “likeability” between Obama and Romney. Can you guess what people will vote for someone they don’t like?”
And THAT’S the problem with this nation. Voting for “like” instead of “competence”.
You wanted flash instead of qualification; sizzle without the steak.
Four years of abject failure with that voting policy.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
9:17 am
And THAT’S the problem with this nation.
You can always leave…..
iRun
August 14th, 2012
9:18 am
Yeah, Whirled Peas…but the white colonists still marginalized the black Africans, forcing them into arid lands and denying them rights or even access to the things they built.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:18 am
“Drilling for oil is now at a level higher than it ever was under W. But you can’t see that, can you?”
Missed the operative word in the earlier statement, didn’t you Finn?
GOVERNMENT land. Oil production is higher on PRIVATE land, but is virtually non-existent on government land. And considering that they have much of the land where oil might be drilled for, that relegates our overall production to less than it should be.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:22 am
“You can always leave…..”
Great, well thought-out solution, Finn. Typical of the non-thinking left. Yeah, let’s settle for incompetence. Let’s vote for the exciting guy. Then let’s complain about the other side when these idiots fail.
Once again, you prove you’re not ready for a serious discussion about what this country needs to do.
Skip
August 14th, 2012
9:23 am
71, Obama shut down oil production. Next he says Dakota has more oil jobs than people? What gives?
md
August 14th, 2012
9:26 am
“I hear about how anti American Obama is, yet, it was Nixon who was a thug, it was Bush who took away the most basic American right and freedoms. He opened the door to holding American citizens in prison indefinitely without a trial. His USA Patriot Act is the very anathema to the Bill O Rights. ”
In case you missed it, this admin also is complicit as they extended the Patriot Act……and doubled down on Afghanistan. If you want to complain about something at least point the finger at all the participants…………..
@@
August 14th, 2012
9:31 am
The film didn’t mention his unresolved Oedipus Complex?
schnirt
ragnar danneskjold
August 14th, 2012
9:32 am
Too bad the film was not made four years ago, could have saved us a couple of years of pain with a timely vetting. I have not seen the movie, but our host’s review of the story suggests that D’Souza’s portrait is consistent with the economic results, and with the world-wide apology tours. I am not so pessimistic as D’Souza, now that Ryan is out there.
They BOTH suck
August 14th, 2012
9:36 am
Kyle
I might catch it when it comes to RedBox.
But thanks for basically saying that here is much commentary and conjecture in the movie and not just substantiated information.
md
August 14th, 2012
9:37 am
“Social security, medicare, gasoline, sales, property, are not taxes??? Tell that to the hard working Americans struggling to raise a family.”
Yes they are…..and EVERYBODY pays them too………including that 48% that also pays income taxes.
RW-(the original)
August 14th, 2012
9:37 am
Will the DVD be for sale before Election Day?
Interesting question and the answer is yes. A film like this has to have been released in theaters for 90 days prior to a DVD release so that’s why it opened on a screen in Houstion July 13th.
Just saying..
August 14th, 2012
9:42 am
Actually, more verifiable contemporary political information in The Candidate…
iggy
August 14th, 2012
9:44 am
“Yeah, Whirled Peas…but the white colonists still marginalized the black Africans, forcing them into arid lands and denying them rights or even access to the things they built.”
Let them starve.
md
August 14th, 2012
9:47 am
“Healthcare reform, auto bailout, student loan reform, credit card reform…”
HC – as the middle man is the current cause of the higher rates, designing a system with them prominently in the middle will only compound the problem.
Auto bailout – yes, picking winners and losers based on union affiliations. Notice the housing industry (and many other industries) wasn’t deemed “special” and neither were the bondholders. ironically, many of those bondholders were retired auto workers……..
Student loan……skimming the kiddies when the rates for the kiddies are between 3.5 and 7% while the fed fund rate is 0-.25%……..
Credit Card Bill – this one is one that shows the underlying intent of this administration. Instead of writing legislation targeted to stop over charging those that may have had an erroneous charge the bill instead socializes the losses for those that were not making their payments. In case one hasn’t noticed, everybody’s rates went up…….again, when the fed rate to borrow is .25%. When the CC companies actually put out a statement that they are raising rates to compensate for the bill, folks should sit up and take notice. The bill did nothing but transfer the burden from the irresponsible to the responsible………….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
9:48 am
Tiberius, leaving may be the only alternative for you folks who just can’t deal with the country as it changes from being less white.
If you can’t learn to deal wit the fact that the majority of people in this country aren’t just like you then, well, ya know…
Many of us can deal with it and even welcome it!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
9:50 am
In case one hasn’t noticed, everybody’s rates went up…….again, when the fed rate to borrow is .25%.
Cons wanting subsidies again. Gimme gimme gimme something. Gimme a break – tax break, loan break – don’t matter – just gimme a subsidy.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
9:50 am
Student loan……skimming the kiddies when the rates for the kiddies are between 3.5 and 7% while the fed fund rate is 0-.25%
Cons wanting subsidies again. Gimme gimme gimme something. Gimme a break – tax break, loan break – don’t matter – just gimme a subsidy.
southpaw
August 14th, 2012
9:52 am
Thanks, RW @9:37
JF McNamara
August 14th, 2012
9:54 am
He’s been one of the most scrutinized people on Earth for nearly four years. I think he’s been vetted.
CDC
August 14th, 2012
9:54 am
You conservatives are obsessed with creating a Barack Obama that does not exist. It makes you look little, pathetic and above all desperate. And it does beg the question… exactly what has Barack Obama done that you people hate? Besides having the audacity to run for the highest office in the land and win…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:56 am
“Tiberius, leaving may be the only alternative for you folks who just can’t deal with the country as it changes from being intelligent to stupid.”
Fixed your line, Finn. No thanks needed.
“If you can’t learn to deal wit the fact that the majority of people in this country aren’t just like you then, well, ya know…”
I’m resigned to the fact that the majority of the people in this country aren’t as intelligent or as self-sufficient as I am, Finn. Doesn’t mean I can’t hope for that situation to change, even with the liberal drive to dumb everybody down even further.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
9:57 am
Doesn’t mean I can’t hope for that situation to change
Oh, I’m willing to bet that will never change in your mind, Tiberius
southpaw
August 14th, 2012
9:58 am
No, Finn @9:50. We don’t want a “subsidy,” which is the government taking money from other people and sending us checks and/or direct deposits. Tax breaks, maybe. We don’t mind keeping what we’ve EARNED. And before you start another “unearned income of the rich” rant, that includes interest, dividends, and so on, based on money we’ve kept instead of squandering. If we squander our money and have none to save or invest, or if we earn nothing, we get nothing. Fair enough?
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
9:59 am
Pathetic waste of bits and bytes, this your latest attempt at high-minded blogauseation.
iggy
August 14th, 2012
9:59 am
Like barry said. “I just want to spread it around.” In other words, take more from the worker bee and give it to the lazy.
In a nutshell that is barry o and why he must go.
Old Timer
August 14th, 2012
9:59 am
Time for a new version of Hope & Change. If not, would the last person please turn out the lights. Forget about movies, just look around–no jobs, out of control debt . You may add to the list.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:03 am
“And it does beg the question… exactly what has Barack Obama done that you people hate?”
Expanded the role of government, which I predicted.
Completely botched any recovery, which I predicted.
Provided no leadership on budgets or the deficit, which I predicted.
Blamed everybody but himself for his failures, which I predicted.
Has done nothing to reverse the poor policies implemented by his predecessors but still complains about them.
Need I go on?
Lynnie Gal
August 14th, 2012
10:03 am
D’Souza? Really? That’s who you’re quoting now? The right wing lunatic birther who’s so crazy that Fox won’t even interview? Wow. If that’s the best “intellectual” that you conservatives can scrape up to make your low-budget, “documentary” films, your party really is in trouble.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:07 am
“Pathetic waste of bits and bytes, this your latest attempt at high-minded blogauseation.”
And yet you still troll here . . .
southpaw
August 14th, 2012
10:07 am
“lunatic birther”
Check the beginning of Kyle’s third paragraph, Lynnie Gal.
@@
August 14th, 2012
10:09 am
And it does beg the question… exactly what has Barack Obama done that you people hate?
He’s made no attempt to overcome his NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder).
md
August 14th, 2012
10:11 am
“Cons wanting subsidies again. Gimme gimme gimme something. Gimme a break – tax break, loan break – don’t matter – just gimme a subsidy.”
You know Finn, that doesn’t even make a lick of sense……..sometimes I wonder what planet you come from.
Now, explain how transferring the debt burden from those not paying their bills to those that do pay their bills as being any kind of subsidy for those that end up paying the bill………….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:16 am
mitt says “whoops”!
In polling this spring, more than 40 percent of Americans didn’t know who the Wisconsin congressman is, but among those who recognized his name, 28 percent viewed him favorably and 29 percent saw him unfavorably. Among independents, his favorable/unfavorable score was 21-26 percent.
http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/08/11/independents-and-undecided-voters-on-paul-ryan-more-unfavorable-than-favorable/
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
10:18 am
After three years and seven months of total misery, I’m pretty sure the facts are on the side of D’Souza.
I mean, just sayin…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:19 am
md wants the Government to provide loans at just a slight amount higher than the fed funds rate – never mind that he/she would NEVER ask that of a private company.
If those funds can be funded back into the business of making those loans, well, md doesn’t want any of that! Never mind that the interest above accrued goes to keeping that system in place and keeping loans affordable.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
10:20 am
Kyle, you are right the movie will do little to change minds. The libs are stuck on willful ignorance and self delusion regarding Obama. After almost 4 years of failure, broken promises, and deceptions, and at times out right lies, they still believe in him. You might use a gun to force them into the movie, but they would cover their ears and eyes and refuse to watch.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
10:21 am
And, check this out, more misery for the diehard obozo voters than anybody. Well, except for the limousine liberals. But anyway, how you liking that unemployment rate, college kiddies?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
10:21 am
How far does the propaganda get you in life?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:22 am
After almost 4 years of failure, broken promises, and deceptions, and at times out right lies, they still believe in him.
sources? proof? looks like a success to many of us.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
August 14th, 2012
10:23 am
“I can tell the Cons are getting rabid when Kyle writes two straight commentaries that lash out at the pure evil incarnate of the President of the US.”
You should enjoy Bookman’s blog then, he lashes out against Romney 2 to 3 times a day.
Tom
August 14th, 2012
10:24 am
If you want to see something hilarious, search out D’Souza’s debates on religion with Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens absolutely *annihiliates” D’Souza’s wackaloonery.
md
August 14th, 2012
10:24 am
“md wants the Government to provide loans at just a slight amount higher than the fed funds rate – never mind that he/she would NEVER ask that of a private company.
If those funds can be funded back into the business of making those loans, well, md doesn’t want any of that! Never mind that the interest above accrued goes to keeping that system in place and keeping loans affordable.”
I thought the bill was sold as a way to help the kiddies…..now, it’s about making money off the kiddies to fund an agenda………make up your mind.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:24 am
“The good news is that this ticket now has a vision. The bad news is that vision is basically just a chart of numbers used to justify policies that are extremely unpopular.”
mwuahahahahahahahaha
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
10:24 am
So, Finn thinks that the “cons” are upset by the darkening of America and apparently wants all of those who are uncomfortable with this projection to move to another country or accept it. We still represent 73% of the population while the AA population is at about 12%, Finn. Looks like you might consider a move, my friend.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:25 am
I thought
sorry, md, no free business classes from me today.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
August 14th, 2012
10:25 am
“After almost 4 years of failure, broken promises, and deceptions, and at times out right lies, they still believe in him.”
I blame the sugar in all that Kool-Aid they drink.
hsn
August 14th, 2012
10:27 am
You idiotic con-men are always dreaming and coming up with stupid kingdergarten-level doomsday scenarios.
You tried this nonsense in 2008 calling the prez a “foreigner,” “muslim,” “communist,” “fascist,” “Hitler,” on and on to gin up fear, especially, among gullible rural voters to look at him as the “other.” You campaign on fiscal policy, but when you are given a chance you do the opposite, instead attacking social social issues and passing govt intrusive laws while telling us you are for limited govt. Desperate fools.
You are now so desperate, that you are even passing voter suppression laws ahead of the 2012 national elections in swing states like OH, and FL. In OH, polls in Republican districts will open for extended hours while Democratic districts will be closed. Your insatiable quest to destroy this beautiful nation knows no bounds.
When a Republican is in power, the rhetoric is deficits don’t matter. When a Democrat is in office, it is something else. You cons are the worst of the worst in America.
md
August 14th, 2012
10:29 am
“sorry, md, no free business classes from me today.”
thank goodness…..there is enough misinformation here already.
Not So Casual Observer
August 14th, 2012
10:30 am
Finn the narrow minded, thoughtless non-progressive:
The Democrat voter, mostly a give me EBT, welfare, unemployment parasite on the body of the producers, has driven capitalism to the ground through their lack of self-esteem and give me something for nothing mentality.
Much like you Finn, the Democrat Party simply rearranges the facts to suit their needs, as in your ignorant comment on Obama and oil production.
So how does that feel FINN, a little name-calling mixed with a call-out on your lack of veracity? Turnabout is fair play and all of that! No wonder you support Obama, neither one of you has a shred of credibility.
Please post for us the next time (first time?) Obama actually points to his record rather than the constant demagoguery.
Road Scholar
August 14th, 2012
10:30 am
Rafe: And the conservatives are stuck on what? He’s a socialist? He’s a Muslim? He’s a Commie? He’s a thumb sucker? He’s anti American, because you don’t agree with him?
Some say Cons don’t want a handout. OK get rid of all tax breaks except for home mortgage deductions (only for one home) and charitable donations. Capital gains profits taxed as income! Put your money where your mouth is!
I believe Congessman Ryans’ father passed away when he was young. Does that make him any less intelligent? Any less a leader? Incapable of intelligent thought? No! If your going to apply your rules…at least be consistent and base them on REAL history…not that which you morph into your misplaced reality!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:32 am
“In OH, polls in Republican districts will open for extended hours while Democratic districts will be closed.”
Cite, please?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:34 am
Regarding the old student loan system:
Since the bank-based loan program began in 1965, commercial banks like Sallie Mae and Nelnet have received guaranteed federal subsidies to lend money to students, with the government assuming nearly all the risk.
The Congressional Budget Office said the direct-lending approach would save taxpayers about $61 billion over 10 years. Roughly $40 billion of the savings will be redirected to higher education. Education programs will get an additional $10 billion from the health care package.
Ny Times
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:35 am
“looks like a success to many of us.”
Given the low bar you set for your candidates, I’m not surprised, Finn.
But at least he’s clean and he speaks well . . .
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
10:35 am
Finn
Failure-8.3% unemployment using Obama numbers, real unemployment =15%
broken promises- I’m going to cut the deficit in half by end of first term
deceptions- I’m going to have the most transparent administration
lies- I am against same sex marriage (2008)
There are obviously multiple options for each, but I don’t want to go too far down the road of destroying the willful self delusion of the looney left.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
10:37 am
@@ – I’m not sure you would know NPD from the APD from the NYFD.
Schnirt
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
10:38 am
Ryan’s long suit is telling it like it is. Liberals just don’t want to hear it. This country cannot survive with Medicare staying like it is. We all know this but Ryan is the only one who has voiced concern and advocated doing something about it, except for one Democrat. The Ryan plan is really the Ryan/Wyden plan, co-written by a long term liberal Democratic senator from Oregon. It is bi-partisan. Thankfully someone on the other side of the isle is also concerned. But the liberals won’t touch this one.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:38 am
Not so Casual Observer,
Need help getting your panties unwadded?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
10:40 am
Roughly $40 billion of the savings will be redirected to higher education. Education programs will get an additional $10 billion from the health care package.
It must have been intercepted somewhere out there in the eithernet, the schools always seem to want even more. Maybe it funded the “get moving” program.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:41 am
The Ryan plan is really the Ryan/Wyden plan, co-written by a long term liberal Democratic senator from Oregon. It is bi-partisan.
Another conservative LIE.
phil
August 14th, 2012
10:42 am
Finn, I doubt you could teach anyone much about business. Your business seems to be doing nothing but spouting off on this blog. Lots of time on your hands?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:44 am
In lobbying fiercely against the overhaul, the private banks argued that it would eliminate jobs, even though the government will hire many of the same banks on a contract basis to service the loans and perform other back-office administration. Furthermore, the banks said that with the government as the only lender, students would not get the same level of service.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/us/politics/26loans.html?_r=1
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:45 am
Lots of time on your hands?
Lots! That’s what education will get ya! Try it!
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
10:47 am
Well, Kyle saw a move that might give us insight into the president’s upbringing. Without debate, he was influenced by a socialstic mother, a card carrying communist. a rebel like father whom he saw less than a long movie. What does it matter? Not much. As an explanation of his lifestyle, very little. He changes to meet the environment.
What we really dislike about the president is his almost four years of poor leadership. Background or not, skin color, personalilty, it doesn’t matter in the long run. But the four years of debt building and lack of organization and misery between political parties has been his monumnet. We don’t like it.
So chatter all you want, paid and unpaid liberals here. We will not elect a president with the history of Obama. We do not care to lead our country further into the financial and economic disaster Obama has directed. We will not ask for more bad times under Obama. We do not wish to repeat a disaster and will not vote for it..
Jefferson
August 14th, 2012
10:47 am
If you didn’t get a chicken sandwich with your ticket, you got waxed on the price of admission.
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
10:47 am
Fin, 10:41,
“Another conservative LIE”. Google is your friend, Finn.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:49 am
he was influenced by a socialstic mother
Can we leave the mothers out of it? No?
What is a socialistic mother, any way? If you can’t spell it maybe you ought not bring it up?
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
10:50 am
Dusty
Who is “we”? You have a frog in your pocket or are you referring to the record numbers that voted for Obama in 08.
just saying..
As a poster said yesterday, stay in the shallow end where you are most suited
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:50 am
Kayaker, the Dem voted against it. All the Dem did was a study that came to some of the same conclusions. There WAS NO bipartisan anything on the Ryan plan.
and you know it.
kayaker 71
August 14th, 2012
10:52 am
It’s so nice to see Finn shuck and jive when he knows he’s wrong.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
10:52 am
Road
I will tell you what I am stuck on, I don’t speak for anyone else. I am stuck on the total unmitigated failure of Obama to craft one workable solution to these problems, after 3.7 years. Has his administration ever worked to craft a reasonable budget or plan to get us out of this mess. I am also stuck on his failure to take responsibility for anything that has happened during this period. He continually blames others. It is like he doesn’t want to sponsor anything because if it fails, he gets blamed. It is easier for him to sit back and critique other plans and point blame at others.
I have no problem with the tax reform you suggested, other than capital gains. The risk takers should not have to bear the burden of investing in America by paying regular income tax on capital gains. They should get some benefit for risking their capital. I know I’m out of the market, when I have to report investment income the same as wages.
I didn’t get your point on Ryan’s father dying young. Admirable that he has done so well, without a father in his life, same as for Obama. It doesn’t mean that that makes either one any better suited to lead, than anyone else.
phil
August 14th, 2012
10:54 am
A lot? Is that better? Guess you didn’t do much with your degree in English. Sorry, I’d love to stay and chat but, break time is over, and I have your EBT card to pay for. lol..
Don Abernethy
August 14th, 2012
10:56 am
You are correct. He came out of no where. Most people had never heard of him. Yet he beat a seasoned well know politician like Clinton and a highly decorated veteran like McCain. It has all been sort of weird and mysterious.It seems impossible to trace his past.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:57 am
Conservative definition of a true leader and great President:
leave office with the country in ruins and hanging financially by a thread.
Bravo!!!! Great job, Brownie!
Don Abernethy
August 14th, 2012
10:57 am
The AJC will not allow me to comment
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
10:58 am
Did anyone else see the clip of Erskine Bowles, he of Simpson-Bowles, talking about how astute Ryan was and how his budget was the right way to go. Bowles is a Democrat, btw.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
10:58 am
I have your EBT card to pay for
Yes, Phil, get back to work.
JDW
August 14th, 2012
10:58 am
@Tiberius…”I’m resigned to the fact that the majority of the people in this country aren’t as intelligent or as self-sufficient as I am”
Ughhh…you left out narcissistic, myopic and egotistical.
Don Abernethy
August 14th, 2012
10:59 am
Guess I will stop commenting because I get the “duplicate statement” no matter what I say
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
11:01 am
Don
We need you, one click and wait!
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
11:03 am
The AJC will not allow me to comment
Um, isn’t that a comment there?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:03 am
“you left out narcissistic, myopic and egotistical.”
Didn’t think I needed to include them, JDW. (although your myopic comment is way off the mark)
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
11:05 am
Liberal definition of a true leader and great President:
Free Bubble UP and Rainbow stew!
Will
August 14th, 2012
11:06 am
Shocked, shocked I tell you. I republican newspaper sriter apparently willing to throw anything up against the wall in hopes that it will stick and help his presidential candidate!
Let’s reduce this to what it is by using Congressman Ryan as an example. Ryan has read and espoused the teachings of the Russian atheist Ayn Rand. Be careful (using the republican newspaper writer’s reasoning) about what we know or thought we knew about Congressman Ryan and his adherence to Russian atheist thought! What’s that you say, Congressman Ryan has voiced both his support and his opposition to the thoughts of the Russian atheist?? Of course he has but that’s not the point – the point is to associate Ryan with “atheist” and “Russian” and hope this sticks with voters – just like the republican newspaper hopes that this movie will stick with voters!!
md
August 14th, 2012
11:07 am
Finn….the question that one should be asking is why are the feds skimming the kiddies? All the savings from this or that is fine, but the idea was to provide the kiddies money to go to college without having to pay a middle man……then uncle sugar steps in and does the exact same thing. Maybe not with as high a rate of return, but the gov’t is supposed to be us…….otherwise, leave it in the hands of the private sector.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:07 am
Tiberius, how many times have you impressed yourself today so far? 20-30 times?
JDW
August 14th, 2012
11:09 am
@Tiberius..”although your myopic comment is way off the mark”
Myopic… Lack of discernment or long-range perspective in thinking or planning….no I think I got it dead on. It is a condition that afflicts most of todays Right Wing thinkers who wish to turn the clock back to the “good ole days” or force the rest of us to kowtow to their interpretation of The Constitution.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:09 am
md, you just don’t get it.
Read the NYTimes link I provided. There are now multiple was to repay loans and the rate of repayment is based on income. THAT helps the kiddies.
all we were doing before was lining banker pockets while the government took ALL the risk. You liked that? You are a great American.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:09 am
Against you, Finn, I’m impressive every time I breathe . . . .
JDW
August 14th, 2012
11:10 am
BTW…some around here have made a large deal of this particular indicator in the past…
“Overall retail sales rose 0.8% in the month, according to a Commerce Department report released Tuesday. The increase was well above economists’ expectations for growth of 0.2%.”
http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/14/news/economy/retail-sales/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:11 am
I’m impressive every time I breathe . . .
Oh, I stand in awe.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:12 am
” It is a condition that afflicts most of todays Right Wing thinkers who wish to turn the clock back to the “good ole days” or force the rest of us to kowtow to their interpretation of The Constitution.”
And yet YOUR myopic view of “Right Wingers” doesn’t take into consideration that there is a huge difference between Constitutionalists and the traditional right wing in this country, JDW.
Yet another epic fail on your part.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
11:12 am
Against you, Finn, I’m impressive every time I breathe
I think Don’s posts were crowded out by Tiberius’ ego.
getalife
August 14th, 2012
11:13 am
Kyle,
You might want to tell your party Americans want high paying jobs not worrying about Medicare twenty years from now.
I have never seen a party so out of touch with the American people but that is what happens when you move to the radical right way out of the mainstream.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:14 am
md, you just don’t get it.
Actually, I take this back. md does get it. He just won’t allow himself to think such thoughts since it makes Democrats look good.
Banish the thought.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:14 am
“Ryan has read and espoused the teachings of the Russian atheist Ayn Rand.”
Which (except for the atheist part) are strikingly similar to the writings of our Founding Fathers, Will.
I’ll take that over the views of the left any day, and twice on Sundays.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:15 am
“I think Don’s posts were crowded out by Tiberius’ ego.
”
It’s a curse, Aquagirl, but I’ve learn to live with . . .
Glenn
August 14th, 2012
11:16 am
The economy is lousy . The outlook is grim . The president is a black socialist …..and Romney is down 10 points . Wow is the republican party pathetic .
Road Scholar
August 14th, 2012
11:18 am
Rafe: Isn’t it Congress’s responsibility to put forth a budget that can pass both the House and Senate? For both houses to compromise? If President Obama got involved, I can already anticipate the “Pres. Obama strong arms the budget!” comments.
I’ve seen him take responsibility. Have you seen how the cons expect the policies of Bush to not affect anything once Pres. Obama was sworn in. While I am disappointed that more has not been accomplished, who has helped? Do you really expect him to “turn the ship around” immediately when the problems don’t immediately change direction?
As for risk taking, isn’t every investment or decision a risk? Isn’t the rate of return based on risk? Or do you want something for nothing? How are the dividends from Capital gains different from “regular” money or wages? Many live on them. Their wages are paid to them through profits and revenue from their employer. Yes it is personal money which taxes had been paid on, but the revenue is still income.
You got my point from your last comment. Having lost my father when young, other people stepped in to educate me…to both good and bad decisions and directions..that shaped me and the people I had contact with. Both Ryan and Obama are honorable men with different views and beliefs.But not having a father, and having mentors that displayed good and bad information, heightened my decision making abilities, as it did for them.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:19 am
JDW. Re: your 11:10?
You DO know what the term “bubble” means, don’t you? When one out of four months is different, most people call that an aberration.
I’m sure you call it a trend.
md
August 14th, 2012
11:20 am
“md, you just don’t get it.
Read the NYTimes link I provided. There are now multiple was to repay loans and the rate of repayment is based on income. THAT helps the kiddies.
all we were doing before was lining banker pockets while the government took ALL the risk. You liked that? You are a great American.”
I don’t think it is me that doesn’t “get it”……..what I see is a gov’t getting bigger at every turn. In this instance, a regulation could have done the same thing and not lead to the feds taking over the industry. That is what you seem to be missing. And it doesn’t cost the feds as much as they charge to service the loans……that was my original point.
Looking at the bigger picture, as the fed gets bigger taking over this and that, the private sector must keep up and generate the capital needed to pay for all that gov’t……..that seems to be the part you really seem to not want to see……………
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:21 am
“I’ve seen him take responsibility.”
For his few successes, Road, never his many failures.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:24 am
i guess we should look forward and discuss the Republican 2016 P and VP picks?
This one is over…
Ryan may even cost the Repubs some congressional seats. How nice!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
11:27 am
If we make serious attempts to lower our debt and improve our economic outlook this would bring increased investment in our economy and create more jobs but I wouldn’t expect a liberal to understand this.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
11:30 am
It’s a curse, Aquagirl, but I’ve learn to live with
Hey Tiberius, using your extra big head and manly-man chest is cheating.
http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-response-2012-olympics-american-physique-tough-beat-181215661.html
#chinesesorelosers
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:30 am
Have anything besides wishful thinking to back up your 11:24, Finn?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:35 am
If we make serious attempts to lower our debt
“Deficits don’t matter.” ~ Dick Cheney
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:40 am
More frome the smearing and besmirching department:
“After initially struggling to find investors, Romney traveled to Miami in 1983 to win pledges of $9 million, 40 percent of Bain’s start-up money,” Democracy Now’s report began. “Some investors had extensive ties to the death squads responsible for the vast majority of the tens of thousands of deaths in El Salvador during the 1980s.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/10/romneys_death_squad_ties_bain_launched
Also, what’s the name of that white powder that was so popular in Miami in 1983???
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:42 am
“Romney says Obama wants to take the work requirements out of welfare reform. As evidence, he cites the administration’s recent decision to let states apply for waivers on these requirements,” he writes. “Never mind that some Republican governors have been applying for them. Never mind that Romney himself applied for one when he was governor of Massachusetts. And never mind that to get this waiver, states must be able to show that they’ve recently moved at least 20 percent more of their welfare recipients into jobs than in previous years. No, facts don’t matter.”
http://progressive.org/romney-goes-racist-on-welfare
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:43 am
“Deficits don’t matter.”
When discussing electoral politics in the 1980’s, Finn.
In 2012, they DO.
getalife
August 14th, 2012
11:43 am
robme ryan, the great white hope for change.
The new messiah’s are coming.
Too funny.
JDW
August 14th, 2012
11:45 am
@Tiberius…”You DO know what the term “bubble” means, don’t you? When one out of four months is different, most people call that an aberration.”
Yep got all that down…we had a four month bubble and now should resume the established trend…provided of course the Republicans don’t do something else harmful…like say force a near default again.
Don't Tread
August 14th, 2012
11:46 am
I knew enough about 0bama in 2008 to compel me to vote against him. Looks like I was right.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 14th, 2012
11:47 am
“The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” argued the president’s world view was shaped heavily by his anti-colonialist Kenyan father.
I stopped reading right there.
And you guys wonder why you are losing and dont have better nominees than Cheesy Grits, Palin or Newt ?
What a circus the Republican party has become.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:49 am
That 11:45 is in the running for your dumbest post ever, JDW.
BS Aplenty
August 14th, 2012
11:49 am
Couldn’t agree more, Kyle. I think McCain’s blunder, other than picking the charming but polarizing Mrs. Palin, was that he did not effectively bring to light the clear disconnect between traditional American values, political and otherwise, and Obama’s values. As you point out, the Obama campaign tossed Wright under the political bus as certainly as the Trinity United Church of Christ tossed black liberation theology and James Cone’s under the bus. Both were gross acts of political cynicism and political expediency. In this case, just because the duck doesn’t quack all the time doesn’t mean he isn’t a duck all the time.
If Romney makes a similar strategy error by not putting ObamaCare front and center and making this election a REFERENDUM on it then he will not win. Romney does not have the communication skills to differentiate why his economic proposals are better than Obama’s. Keep it simple, Mitt, and focus on what is clearly a weak spot for the president (whom I could take in a one-on-one matchup on the basketball courts even though he’s a couple of years my junior.)
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 14th, 2012
11:49 am
Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield and many others.
Great Americans and Republicans.
They would be ashamed of what their party has become.
JDW
August 14th, 2012
11:50 am
@Tiberius…”And yet YOUR myopic view of “Right Wingers” doesn’t take into consideration that there is a huge difference between Constitutionalists and the traditional right wing in this country,”
Reading not your strong suit I see…I clearly said TODAY’S Right Wingers…the traditional right wing and Republican Party started dying in 1994 and has no impact on today’s debate. TODAY’S Right Wingers and Constitutionalists are part and parcel of the same apple
md
August 14th, 2012
11:50 am
Wow Finn…….posting a link that proclaims Romney as a racist based solely on the fact the he disagrees with relaxing the welfare requirements is a bit much…………
One would think you could find one without the racist garbage……….
JDW
August 14th, 2012
11:52 am
@Tiberius…”That 11:45 is in the running for your dumbest post ever”
Glad you think so…it means I am damn close to dead on.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:53 am
“TODAY’S Right Wingers and Constitutionalists are part and parcel of the same apple”
Once again proving your myopic and incorrect view of all things political, JDW.
But nice try at spinning.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:54 am
All you have to know about how low the left will go to avoid the real issues facing this country today is encapsulated in Finn’s 11:40 post.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:56 am
Wow, JDW. That’s all I can say about your response at 11:52.
You used to have a modicum of intelligence to your posts, even if factually incorrect. Now? Just pathetic.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 14th, 2012
11:57 am
Or in a real sneaky way like Kyle. Reminding everyone that Obama’ father is a Kenyan.
getalife
August 14th, 2012
11:57 am
The dumbest man in politics make a hit piece on our President’s Dad that left his family.
Anyhoo, “GOP PROS FUME: Romney Ceded Election With Ryan Pick” Aol.
Methinks the gop house forced ryan out there to make excuses for voting to end Medicare when Americans want jobs.
The house will flip dem because the gop deserve to lose.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
11:57 am
Tiberius
You rightfully do not like being “lumped” in with all folks on the right, yet you take one bloggers post and broad brush the left.
Irony and hypocrisy much?
JDW
August 14th, 2012
11:57 am
Tiberuis…”Once again proving your myopic and incorrect view of all things political, ”
What’s the matter can’t enunciate any differences between the two? Not surprising as there really are none…both want to use a narrow interpretation of the Constitution for political and financial gain. Namely lower taxes for the wealthy and a reduction in the ability of the government to act on behalf of the majority.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
11:58 am
If Romney makes a similar strategy error by not putting ObamaCare front and center and making this election a REFERENDUM on it then he will not win.
The inventor of RomneyCare should make his opposition to ObamaCare a central theme?
Yeah, that’ll work.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
11:59 am
As for risk taking, isn’t every investment or decision a risk?
Yes, but the risk is greater for some than others and the reward should be as well. Some people refuse to take a risk, spend every dollar they make, a risk in itself, and watch their buying power get withered away by inflation. They depend on earnings to survive, until they can’t earn anymore, but they are protected in some extent by the social safety net.
Others, risk everything, to start a business with their life savings. Other people invest their money in companies, hoping the company does well. These risk takers have already paid income tax on the money they invest, they are attempting to avoid dependence on the social safety net and they should be rewarded somewhat, rather than have their profit taxed as income.
I have a relative who has sunk his retirement savings (no debt involved) into growing pecans; he works like a slave to those trees, watering, spraying, pruning, weeding and he says for the first seven years the government has no interest in what he is doing. In the eighth or tenth year, when he finally sells a few pecans, the government is there with their hand, out for their share. Had the trees died, the government is silent, too bad sucker. He could have assumed no risk and lived on interest and soc sec, created no jobs, created no export product, but when he takes this risk, you want to penalize him for the risk, by paying wage type taxes on his investment. Makes no economic sense to me. If that is the case, everyone should just take the easy road.
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stands for decibels
August 14th, 2012
11:59 am
When discussing electoral politics in the 1980’s, Finn.
In 2012, they DO.
Here’s Paul Krugman’s take on that debate.
killerj
August 14th, 2012
11:59 am
Obama,s famous speech?,only one I can remember is about a beer.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 14th, 2012
12:00 pm
All respect lost for Kyle.
I dont believe for a second he had to be dragged to see this piece of garbage.
On second thought the man did vote for Newt ” Moonbase ” Gingrich.
I dont know why im surprised.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
August 14th, 2012
12:01 pm
Carry on boys and girls
You have officially hit bottom.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
12:09 pm
“You rightfully do not like being “lumped” in with all folks on the right, yet you take one bloggers post and broad brush the left.
Irony and hypocrisy much?”
Actually, no, sham. I find the left is just about populated with lemmings and myrmidons who are more than willing to follow just about whatever their government leaders tell them to.
“The right” is still largely made up of both fiscal and social conservatives – they ignore the Constitution on the latter and embrace the Constitution on the former. Their concept of freedom and individual responsibility extends only to you if you share their social views.
Constitutionalists are small government all the way. They are fiscal conservatives (personally and governmental) and social liberals on the personal side – NOT the government side.
But I have yet to encounter a liberal who doesn’t think more government isn’t better in both regards.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
12:09 pm
The house will flip dem because the gop deserve to lose.
Well, I don’t believe that, but obviously you do, getalife, so in your world that is a good thing. Obama will have a free hand to do as he pleases, like he did from Jan 2009 to Jan 2011. That worked out real well did it not? We are all thriving now, based on all the good things he did when he had total power. My life is not one bit better now, that we have 15% unemployment and owe another 5T dollars.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
12:10 pm
“All respect lost for Kyle.”
And yet, you’re still here . . . .
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
12:13 pm
from Jan 2009 to Jan 2011. That worked out real well did it not? We are all thriving now, based on all the good things he did when he had total power.
no, we are all doing so much better now because Republicans have ruled teh House since 2011, right?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
12:14 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
11:35 am
If we make serious attempts to lower our debt
“Deficits don’t matter.” ~ Dick Cheney
Cheney was talking about 162 Billion a year, not 1.7 Trillion, and again, I don’t expect a liberal to understand this.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
12:19 pm
Tiberius
There are lemmings on and sheep on all sides. That is if one is willing to take off the blinders.
On any given day one an come here or go to Bookman’s and read right wing talking points from the same bloggers. Day in and day out.
And that goes for many on the left as well.
Take away those talking points and soundbites they heard or read somewhere; those folks are lost.
I don’t see it anymore or less on either side.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
12:19 pm
Or in a real sneaky way like Kyle. Reminding everyone that Obama’ father is a Kenyan.
Yep, we had totally forgotten that Finn!
I never thought he grew up in Peoria and had a father that worked 9-5, drove a Chevy, and whose life goal was to pay for the car, own his own home, and leave his children better off than he was.
He has none of those values, which he would have seeping from his pores, if he had.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
12:23 pm
Finn
The House argument is stupid. They have passed 50 something bills only to see them die in the Senate and have them mocked by the Pres.
The ONLY value of controlling one house of government is to limit the damage done by Presbo and the Senate.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
12:23 pm
I didn’t write that, Rafe.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
12:24 pm
They have passed 50 something bills only to see them die in the Senate and have them mocked by the Pres.
You mean those 50 stupid bills?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
12:27 pm
“There are lemmings on and sheep on all sides. That is if one is willing to take off the blinders. ”
Which just proves even you can’t get past the left-right mantra and understand that there is a difference, as I stated above, sham.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
12:31 pm
he says for the first seven years the government has no interest in what he is doing. In the eighth or tenth year, when he finally sells a few pecans, the government is there with their hand, out
Oh good lord. The government has nothing to do with protecting his ownership of the land, courts if someone takes those pecans, water supply, small business administration, roads and ports to move his crop, and incorporation in case of bankruptcy? Or agricultural research and disaster relief in case of a drought?
Your relative sounds like a tea potty whiner, tell him he’s welcome for my tax dollar investment. Sadly enough I won’t be buying his pecans because they’re probably going to China, especially if the Feds build a nice new port for cheaper shipping.
Scott Fresno
August 14th, 2012
12:33 pm
Anti-colonialist? You mean like George Washington!
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
12:36 pm
I’m way past it, Tiberius.
There are sheep on all sides and people bringing common sense from all sides. Apparently unlike yourself, I’m not one to just disregard a blogger or their ideas because I do not agree with them.
So take off your rose colored glasses, cease with the bird chest thumping and get with the program
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
12:39 pm
Tiberius
Or be so blind that I think it is real thought out process to take silly comments from one blogger and extrapolate that on to any given demographic.
The same can not be said for you, but do carry on with your typical blather.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
12:40 pm
Oh dear, liberals do not like the pronoun WE. WE indicates a solidarity they do not wish for American citizens. In fact, liberals fracture this country by debating in the lowest terms possible.
This blog has personified that attitude. LIes, insinuations and namecalling have flooded the place. Why? Because Republicans announced the running partner for Romney.
Evidently, this is the time to unloose all false info possible along with the effort to create more.
Sad….because there are some very fine Democrats out threre. You wouldn’t think so reading posts here. That’s the shame. The “rotten apples” are dominating the liberal barrel.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
12:40 pm
Aquagirl
We are talking about risks here, not the government infrastructure, that we all pay for. Government doesn’t pay for anything, we do. As for the water supply, he drilled the well, does the government own the ground water? The risk, i.e., financial is all on him. The roads, ports, schools, courts are there for people to use, whether they do or not.
His money does not have to be risked, he could live on the free Bubble Up and Rainbow stew dished out by the government and sit on his money, but my point is that is bad for the economy and that risk taking should be encouraged at every opportunity.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
12:43 pm
“The “rotten apples” are dominating the liberal barrel.”
So why did you jump in the “liberal barrel”?
Stay in the shallow end. For your own safety and sanity.
Or at least put on those floaties that you wear when coming on this blog.
jd
August 14th, 2012
12:44 pm
According to my copy of the Neo-Con Handbook for Punditry — “Hollywood is liberal. Nothing good comes from Hollywood.”
So, something good came from Hollywood? And, that “good” is not liberal? Who is responsible for updating the handbook?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
12:45 pm
“Apparently unlike yourself, I’m not one to just disregard a blogger or their ideas because I do not agree with them. ”
Neither do I, sham. And you’s know that if you’d pay attention.
However, the totality of the writings of some of these bloggers demands disregard on a regular basis.
But do go on with your leg-humping.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
12:48 pm
Off for a bit.
Would love to read even one well thought-out, devoid of DNC talking points, recitation why the Romney/Ryan ticket would be so bad for this country (with specifics) when I come back.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
12:49 pm
jd
I don’t remember Kyle saying this came from Hollywood or that it was good. He said it was out there and provided some good insights and some commentary on Obama.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
12:54 pm
Dusty
I appreciate your comments and humor. I read somewhere yesterday where some genius, forgot who, said life’s problems are so complicated, that most fall for the premise that the solutions must also be complicated. He said sometimes simple solutions solve complicated problems, but deflate egos.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
12:56 pm
this is the time to unloose all false info
examples, please?
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
12:58 pm
Rafe
I appreciate them as well. Albeit for different reasons.
The more postings the better.
BS Aplenty
August 14th, 2012
1:00 pm
H2O-girl
Here goes.
Most Americans by a wide majority are satisfied with their current healthcare plan. They do not want ObamaCare. Mr. Romney wants to dismantle the ObamaCare legislation. I’ll repeat that assertion because it bears repeating, Mr. Romney wants to dismantle ObamaCare. Mr. Obama does not. Ergo, the American public will favor Romney on this issue.
RomneyCare’s not on the table, Mable.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
1:01 pm
The roads, ports, schools, courts are there for people to use, whether they do or not.
That’s an incredibly twisty response to “the darn-do-nothing gub’mint is only there when it’s tax time.” The USDA’s Foreign Agricultural Service is there whether people use it or not, strangely enough I don’t really recall using it anytime recently. Your poor ruggedly independent self-sufficient relative might have to pay some taxes for it just like I do—oh, the humanity! Help, help, your relative is being repressed!
And if he uses groundwater, the evil gub’mint and ecoweenies are worried about aquifer contamination that might kill his trees, often over the objection of your con buddies.
If your relative doesn’t find the entire array of tax dollars used to encourage his agricultural production sufficient he’s an ungrateful whiner. His reward is making more money than people who collect Social Security. What else would he like from the government, a special attaboy whiner cookie? The satisfaction of watching other people eat dog food?
Seriously, what is his complaint, aside from paying (gasp!) taxes while receiving government services?
tiredofIT
August 14th, 2012
1:10 pm
Another distraction to keep from talking about Romney’s tax returns.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
1:11 pm
Aquagirl, the Cons only support government services which they use. No matter that other people use them, if it ain’t them, it needs to go.
Don’t go to National Parks? They gotta go – privatize the land and use the proceeds to pay down the debt.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
1:13 pm
like Ayn Rand they whine about SS and Medicare – until they need it or start to use it.
Then you best keep your guvmint hands off their medicare!
iggy
August 14th, 2012
1:15 pm
The bottom line is do we want a President who wants to “spread it around” ie take from the workers and give to the lazy OR a President who encourges the so called “down-trodden, poor, feeble minded, lazy” to get off their rear-ends and participate.
I choose the latter. We already know where the lazy-libs sit, lay, sleep.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 14th, 2012
1:17 pm
l Ryan, Mitt Romney’s vice-presidential running mate, sold stock in US banks on the same day he attended a confidential meeting where top level officials disclosed the sector was heading for a deep crisis.
The congressman on Monday denied profiting from information gleaned from the meeting on 18 September 2008 when Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, then treasury secretary Hank Paulson and others outlined their fears for the banking sector. His office said he had no control over the trades.
Public records show that on the same day as the meeting, Ryan sold stock in troubled banks including Wachovia and Citigroup and bought shares in Goldman Sachs, Paulson’s old employer and a bank that had been disclosed to be stronger than many of its rivals. The sale was not illegal at the time.
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Move along now.
Nothing to see here.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
Seriously, what is his complaint, aside from paying (gasp!) taxes while receiving government services?
That all that risk, sweat, and effort produces a profit, that is shared by the 47% that sit in the A/C, contribute little, and complain, that he is keeping too much of the money he earned.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
1:19 pm
the Cons only support government services which they use.
I wouldn’t mind that so much if they weren’t so adamant they’re not using government services, unlike the “parasites” they constantly obsess over and degrade.
I’d wager Mr. Pecan Grower is genuinely outraged as he plants his government-developed pecan trees so he can make big bucks selling pecans in a government-inflated market. Because, dammit, he’s doing this all hisself! Not like the welfare mama buying his pecans with food stamps!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
1:20 pm
This is what is happening in Ohio:
All voting precincts are overseen by 2 Republicans and 2 Democrats. In the Conservative-leaning precincts, the Dems and the Repubs voted to extend voting hours. In the democratic-leaning precincts, the Democrats voted to extend voting hours but the Republicans voted no. So, the Secretary of State had to step in and break the ties. He being a Republican voted no with the other Republicans.
So, what is good for the Conservative-leaning precincts isn’t ok for the democrat-leaning precincts. If you can’t win, play dirty = the Republican mantra.
Now, can the Dems in the conservative-leaning precincts go back and change their votes so no precinct gets early voting privileges?
iggy
August 14th, 2012
1:20 pm
“The sale was not illegal at the time.” <—Ok, so whats your point? Further are you suggesting that Ryan was the only congressional rep to behave in such a manner?
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:21 pm
Rafe
Why are you demeaning those enlisted military personnel who are fighting across this world for your freedom?
You do know that many of the lower ranking enlisted do not pay Fed Income Tax and depending on if they qualify for the EITC they even get some back?
You know that, right?
Quit demeaning the men and women who put their life on the line for you.
iggy
August 14th, 2012
1:22 pm
Well perhaps the New Black Panthers, OH chapter, can one again wade into the fray. After all Holder will do nothing about voter intimidation, etc.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
1:24 pm
until recently it was ok to do insider trading if you were in congress. One of those perks, ya know. So you can’t knock Ryan for doing something that is legal.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
1:24 pm
a bank that had been disclosed to be stronger than many of its rivals. The sale was not illegal at the time.
Wealth preservation, the horrors! Should have been a good boy and bought Solyndra, so we would all benefit. Or not!
iggy
August 14th, 2012
1:25 pm
“the Cons only support government services which they use.”
I think the cons, as you refer to them, are not so much concerned with the services used or unused but more so the fraud/abuse inherent in the system for which the Dems refused to acknowlege.
BS Aplenty
August 14th, 2012
1:26 pm
H2OMG-girl -
I cant’ believe it (drum roll, please). I agree with you reasoning. Thinking Republicans believe in LIMITED government – not EXPANSIVE government.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:29 pm
iggy
You mean the fraud like the 50 million or so payout the current governor of FL’s old company had to pay.
like that?
just saying
iggy
August 14th, 2012
1:31 pm
Uh no…thats not what I mean.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:32 pm
Why do you not mean that?
It was a fine paid to the government for ripping them off, right?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
1:33 pm
Quit demeaning the men and women who put their life on the line for you.
Was that intended for me or Obama? I think they should be allowed to vote, anytime and anywhere as long as it is before polls close. President Obama doesn’t think they should be given any special provisions for voting.
I do not include military people when I speak of the 47% that do not contribute, they should pay no taxes at all, they have already paid once with the devotion of their time to the country. Time is money.
Rodert Rudis
August 14th, 2012
1:34 pm
So Obama’s an anti-colonialist? Nonsense. He is every bit the Empire’s dutiful soldier. D’Souza has his own issues with colonialism. And communism. After four years of labeling Pres Obama a muslim, a foreigner, a communist, a socialist, the right is still trying to make at least one of the labels stick. Pathetic.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:35 pm
Rafe
It was you when you demeaned them for their income levels.
But nice try. And here I thought, you were smarter than your character name.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:37 pm
Rafe
As for the other issue. Do yourself a favor and stop allowing talk radio or whatever source to brainwash you. Sad thing is that you willingly do it.
http://factcheck.org/2012/08/obama-not-trying-to-curb-military-early-voting/
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
1:39 pm
Ain’t
I would exempt the military from taxes for two years after they complete their service, as a small thank you for what they do for the country, as I would reduce the capital gains rate to zero, to thank those who risk their money and their families future, to grow jobs and feed the economy.
Rush
August 14th, 2012
1:40 pm
Looks like the same bunch of Bookmanites hanging out telling us how terrible the repubs are…..
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:40 pm
Rafe
Sounds good and I’m with you, however that is not what you said in your earlier swipe that I replied too.
iggy
August 14th, 2012
1:40 pm
50 million is a drop in the bucket when compared to the billions wasted on welfare, WIC, food stamps, Dept of education, govt trips all over the world ie Kaseem Reed and entourage cruising thru Europe, the lastest beltline discovery, Federal employees traveling to HI for conferences, Federal employees wasting time making stupid videos, construction of schools that resemble the Taj Mahal, DFACS workers failing to do their jobs, etc.
The list goes on and on. Yes 50 million is excessive but nothing compared to the above list and the fraud as yet detected.
The point being were the fraud, employee pilferages to be sniffed out, amongst the public sector then a tax increase would be unnecessary.
But you already knew all that.
JamVet
August 14th, 2012
1:41 pm
…but I will say they err toward the most pessimistic, even conspiratorial end of the right side of the spectrum.
Color me shocked!
Nutjobs films for the nutjobs.
Huge yawn.
This bizarre VP pick just gave Florida to BHO.
And the election.
Get used to losing, cons. You wear it well…
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
1:42 pm
Ain’t that is pure spin, he is having Holder sue the state of Ohio to prevent them from extending the voting time for the military. He can claim whatever motive he wants, the action they request provides more hardship for the military voter. And, you fall for it, because the MSM picks up the Obamaspin echo and broadcasts it.
Skip
August 14th, 2012
1:43 pm
The Beck is strong here.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:43 pm
iggy
Did you cry when Purdue went all over the world?
Be honest.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
1:44 pm
That all that risk, sweat, and effort produces a profit, that is shared by the 47% that sit in the A/C, contribute little, and complain, that he is keeping too much of the money he earned.
Ah, now we cut to the chase….Mr. Pecan Grower is angry at other people. Because Mr. Pecan Grower subscribes to the talkie radio idea that we have a binary system of “producers” and “parasites.” Mr. Pecan Grower is one of the heroic producers, and there are hordes of parasites out there who don’t pay gas taxes for roads, don’t collect food stamps to supplement military rations, all they do is lay on the couch. They’ve never worked a day in their lives. Therefore he begrudges the sliver of his taxes that go to those parasites in a manner beyond all proportion to the actual amount spent.
Mr. Pecan Grower sounds like some of my relatives, I avoid those bitter dried-up folks. They like being angry.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:45 pm
Rafe
No what you said is spin. You can look up the lawsuit yourself. Your interpretation that you willingly allowed yourself to be brainwashed with is not in that paperwork.
But again, keep trying.
getalife
August 14th, 2012
1:47 pm
cons,
What happened to the referendum on our President?
Slinging poo to see if something sticks is a horrible way to run a campaign and a sure loser.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
Ain’t and Aquagirl
I believe that the Koolaid must come with a little extra kick these days! It is “not the sliver” of his taxes, it is the entitlement mentality of the recipients that some of his money is theirs. They refuse to risk theirs, but want higher taxes to embellish their entitlements.
They want him to sacrifice, so they do not have to.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
1:55 pm
The sky is falling!!!!!!!!! The communists are in power!!!!!!! The communists will retain power for at least 4.5 more years. The sky is falling!!!!!!
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
1:55 pm
Rafe
Based on your blather, it seems you not only drink it, but also bathe in it.
But do carry on if it makes you feel good to willingly allow yourself to be brainwashed with the talking points you out forth on a regular basis.
iggy
August 14th, 2012
1:56 pm
A Gov vs a stupid, yellow crayon eating buffoon ie Andrew Youngs puppet, are two different issues. The Gov and previous Govs have traveled to bring business to the State. Yellow teeth travels to being business to the city of Atlanta.
The Atlanta govt needs to understand this is the State of GA not the State of Atlanta and this latest TSplost vote shoved it right back down their throats.
However, waste and fraud should be rooted out albeit Dem or Rep.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
1:57 pm
JamVet – I disagree wholeheartedly. The cons are absolutely horrible losers. And likely to get much, much worse in the coming days, months and years. No honor or integrity of any kind.
Scooter
August 14th, 2012
1:57 pm
“…allowed Obama to keep his dealings with Marxists mostly out of the public eye on his way to the White House.”
NO. vetting potential Presidents is the “media’s” job and they failed miserably with The Obama.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
2:01 pm
iggy
Deal is a Democrat?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
2:02 pm
My guess is the libs should check and see who lost the last election and, not only lost it, but did so in a historical landslide.
And it looks so cute on them.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
2:05 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin… — think: pendulum.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
2:06 pm
I report
You didn’t learn from 1994 and 1996, but I digress.
You are going to be one crying dude.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
2:07 pm
Ain’t
If he was suing all 57 states to expand early voting for all, I would accept this spin from Obama. When he picks out the one state that wants to extend a weekend just for the military to vote, to sue, then I say that is an effort to depress the military vote.
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
2:07 pm
I report
I apologize. Let me take that back. You seem to do a lot of crying on a regular basis. It wouldn’t be honest to say that “you are going to be”……………
have an awesome day
JamVet
August 14th, 2012
2:07 pm
Hell, the cons barely made up the ground after those back to back, historic annihilations of 2006 and 2008.
But to read the faithful, they are unstoppable.
With their winning streak of…………………………………………………..one.
Must be Chicago baseball fans, keeping score!
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
2:08 pm
Rafe
Keep spinning. OH changed their law.
Did you know that? What other states did the same thing?
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
2:09 pm
Rafe
You do get an A for effort.
The day facts are on your side, you will be something to reckon with, but until that time the blather will just continue
Keep up the fight
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
I do not include military people when I speak of the 47% that do not contribute
Or my grandma…or my…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
kyle must be pulling a W today — phoning it in.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
2:16 pm
Ain’t
As long as you allow Obama to tell you what facts to believe, we will be on the other side.
I’m out for now.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
2:25 pm
One thing I’ve learned from blogs is the difference between fact and opinion. If one agrees with it, it’s a fact; if one disagrees with it, it’s an opinion.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
2:26 pm
It is “not the sliver” of his taxes, it is the entitlement mentality of the recipients that some of his money is theirs.
Aside from youtube clips of the occasional a-hole, just how many of these people are out there? Is Mr. Pecan Grower angry because the government doesn’t assemble death squads to hunt these people down and kill them?
I’ve pointed out Mr. Pecan Grower bitches about the gub’mint only showing up at tax time. When confronted that the gub’mint is there every day suddenly the new goalpost is “entitlement jerks—wahhhhhh!” Your relative demands other people’s money for his benefit…nice big roads, ports, trees that don’t die from every little bug.
Now, this is a foreign concept for you Rafe, but those legions of people demanding your relatives’ money? MOST OF THEM HAVE CONTRIBUTED TOO. They’ve worked, paid taxes, and contributed to the infrastructure that means Mr. Pecan Grower can make lots of money. How selfish of them to demand a cut. The nerve!
Get away from angry, bitter people who don’t acknowledge their own entitlements, Rafe. They aren’t worth it. If you and he want to hold a Bitterball, it’s your party.
md
August 14th, 2012
2:30 pm
“Aside from youtube clips of the occasional a-hole, just how many of these people are out there?”
Good question…….what we do know is 1/3 of folks are currently dropping out of the taxpayer opportunity program called “education”, putting themselves in position to be one of “these people”. Are we responsible for them because they made that choice??
Shine
August 14th, 2012
2:33 pm
All that matters is Obama will get a second term and that freakshow the GOP has running will be obliterated.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
2:37 pm
“Slinging poo to see if something sticks is a horrible way to run a campaign and a sure loser.”
You mean like Romney killing a woman?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
2:40 pm
“Hell, the cons barely made up the ground after those back to back, historic annihilations of 2006 and 2008. ”
Yeah, an historic swing in the House sure equates to “barely making up ground”.
southpaw
August 14th, 2012
2:45 pm
Aquagirl @2:26
How many is too many? Mr. Pecan Grower isn’t concerned about the lack of death squads. They run the risk of mistaken identity, with non-freeloaders getting killed as a result. He’ll settle for recipients changing their mindset to “I’ll use the infrastructure that’s available to everybody, but I’m not entitled to payments directly from the government to me. Payments are different from infrastructure–they’re not available to everyone.”
ND
August 14th, 2012
2:48 pm
Dinesh D’Souza’s ancestors were weak enough to convert to Christianity at the tip of the sword of the Portuguese, so it’s not surprising that he is pro-colonialism. I wish the other Indians of his ilk would make India better by following his lead and leaving.
Doc
August 14th, 2012
2:49 pm
I realize that the going trend for these blogs is to pick a political side and bash the other by name calling and all the predictable garble, but I actually have some serious questions? Romney has come out with a 5 point plan for job creation. Like it or hate it, he has at least put a plan out there. Has Obama proposed any new plans to stimulate job growth? This is not intended as a shot against Obama. I would actually like a real answer? I am sure that there are things that I am not aware of.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
2:53 pm
“Aside from youtube clips of the occasional a-hole, just how many of these people are out there?”
Aquagirl,
Apparently there’s quite a few of them. All you have to do is read today’s AJC article. It talks about loads of workers during the school year- cafeteria workers, bus drivers, private school teachers, etc. who when the school year is over they simply go on unemployment for 3-4 months until the new school year starts again. And they do this as a matter of routine and apparently don’t even bother to look for part time summer work. This is different than when I was in college. When I was in college we had people like teachers who worked other jobs during the summer. Nowadays that’s not true. Nowadays we are paying people to not work for 3-4 months and given the comments from the people in this article they feel they are entitled to this and that they shouldn’t have to look for work. Look at the comments for yourself and you’ll see that there is a mentality that these people automatically don’t even look for work but rather look for a government check.
http://www.ajc.com/business/state-ordered-to-reverse-1498878.html
Publius
August 14th, 2012
2:56 pm
2016 is meant to inspire discussion – the merits and demerits of a 2008 presidential candidate who by almost all accounts was never fully vetted in a traditional and historical sense by the media or election process. The film has done its job – we are now discussing the history of, and influences on, the current President of the United States. Kyle rightly points out that the film deserves airing among Obama supporters and those who haven’t made up their minds – there’s plenty to foster discussion, whether you agree or disagree with D’Souza’s assessments.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
3:00 pm
Publius – If I wanted to, I could write a book “proving” the Holocaust never happened. I’d be dead wrong, of course, but that doesn’t mean it won’t get published. “2016″ is a movie in a similar vein. There is nothing – ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – to suggest that the vast majority of conservative allegations regarding the President’s belief, background or current policies are even remotely “anti-American.” It is entirely a fiction by those who (a) can’t stand the idea of a black President or (b) can’t stand the idea of “the other side” controlling the levers of power.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
3:00 pm
Thulsa
In my neck of the woods, nearly all the school bus drivers are part timers; they just drive the bus for the insurance.
Common Sense
August 14th, 2012
3:01 pm
“Deal is a Democrat? ”
He was a democrat longer than he has been a declared republican. Same as our last governor.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
3:07 pm
“I have my own budget plan as you know, and that’s the budget we’re going to run on,” Romney told Bob Schieffer on 60 Minutes Sunday night.
mwuahahahahahahaha. I got my own plan – just don’t ask what’s in it, ok??
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
3:07 pm
Hillbilly D,
Same in my neck of the woods. They do it just for the benefits which are really good. But I’m referring to the article in today’s AJC where apparently that isn’t the case in all counties. To me its just disturbing that from the tone of the article apparently these people don’t even bother to look for summer work. They just expect to draw unemployment for the summer and they’ve come to expect that they be paid as opposed to look for work.
getalife
August 14th, 2012
3:19 pm
doomy,
You get welfare from Obamacare hypocrite.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
3:21 pm
you’ll see that there is a mentality that these people automatically don’t even look for work but rather look for a government check.
That’s 3,000 people. And I notice the article closes with the private Christian school teacher saying “This[unemployment benefits] is a blessing, and what we’ve prayed for all summer.” If Jesus has granted her unemployment, who am I to argue? Though I do wish Jesus would inspire her cheapskate employers to pay her a little more. I guess they’re waiting on taxpayer subsidies via a voucher program.
But I’m sure the Christian school teacher doesn’t get rants from Mr. Pecan Grower for being one of “those people” so you might want to find another example.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
3:25 pm
“to point out where they think D’Souza is wrong and consider the ways he might be right.”
WHO IS D’Souza?
Why should we take anything he says seriously?
Why should we even care about what he thinks of Obama?
His word AIN’T GOSPEL.
We already know who Obama is.
ITS THE REST OF YOU THAT NEED TO CATCH UP WITH US
BTW, Who is Myth Robme?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick?
Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
3:28 pm
Nice to see the religious bigotry card being played at 3:23.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
3:28 pm
Thulsa
That’s an interesting dilemma. Since they’re off 3 months or less, that would make it hard to find a job and by the time they did, they might just be there for 2 months or less. Most folks aren’t going to hire somebody, knowing they’re going to be leaving, right away, especially in my neck of the woods, where the “economic recovery” is just something we’ve heard about on TV and in the papers.
I wonder if the solution wouldn’t be some sort of pro-rated pay or something, maybe even with a small increase, so they get paid on through the summer. That might be cheaper than them drawing unemployment. I don’t have all the figures but I can see both sides of it.
Sort of a similar thing happens in tourist areas. I knew somebody who lived in Branson, MO. About half the people there are on unemployment through the winter because all the tourist jobs are seasonal, and they all get laid off at Christmas and don’t come back until March or April. There just are no jobs there for them to get during the winter. But in season, those people are needed to fill the jobs, so what do they do?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
3:29 pm
“The president’s idea for Medicare was to cut it by $700 billion. That’s not the right answer. We need to make sure we can preserve and protect Medicare,” Romney said yesterday in Florida, and again today in Ohio.
So are Romney and Ryan right?
The short answer: Nope. Here’s the long answer: The $700 billion figure comes from cost savings created in Medicare to help pay for the Affordable Care Act. Romney is correct in the figure and correct in asserting that the money is being diverted from Medicare to help pay for Obamacare, but he misleads on the mechanism and its effects. First of all, the change affects reimbursements to hospitals, insurance companies and other providers, not benefits for average enrollees.
salon.com
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
3:31 pm
Whistle-blower, documents: Illinois state workers forced to attend Pelosi, Jesse Jackson Jr. event on taxpayer dime
Whistle-blower, documents: Atlanta government stooges forced to attend Wingnut blog on taxpayers dime.
Aaahh, and think of all the jobs that were created.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
3:32 pm
Tiberius – now you can’t even read the time correctly?????
southpaw
August 14th, 2012
3:33 pm
What makes –
For starters, D’Souza at least gets Obama’s name right. You might want to try that someday. While you’re at it, why not make your own film? Michael Moore will be glad to help.
“Why should we take anything he says seriously?” Because of the parts of it that are straight from Obama’s autobiography. Read Kyle’s post again. I’ll be interested in finding out whether the movie accurately represents the autobiography. “His word AIN’T GOSPEL.” If anybody thought it was, you wouldn’t see a mention of “where they think D’Souza is wrong.” Read your own post along with Kyle’s.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
3:36 pm
@SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
3:00 pm
Publius – If I wanted to, I could write a book “proving” the Holocaust never happened. I’d be dead wrong, of course, but that doesn’t mean it won’t get published. “2016″ is a movie in a similar vein. There is nothing – ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – to suggest that the vast majority of conservative allegations regarding the President’s belief, background or current policies are even remotely “anti-American.” It is entirely a fiction by those who (a) can’t stand the idea of a black President or (b) can’t stand the idea of “the other side” controlling the levers of power.
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Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
3:38 pm
Tiberius – now you can’t even read the time correctly?
Maybe he refuses to use government time set by a NASA-subsidized oppressive gub’mint clock.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
3:40 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
3:28 pm
Nice to see the religious bigotry card being played at 3:23.
________________________________________________________
3:23?
Is that a GAFFE?
BTW, Every other BIGOTRY HAS BEEN PLAYED AGAINST OBAMA.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
3:42 pm
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both? —
Oy vey!!! No way in hell do I want to see Captain Myth and his Lusty Sidekick in their birthday suits. (But I bet there are a ton of current and former conservative male House members who have already ordered and paid for an advance copy.) Myth Diggler and Ryan Rothchild? Ewwwwww.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
3:43 pm
@southpaw
August 14th, 2012
3:33 pm
What makes –
For starters, D’Souza at least gets Obama’s name right. You might want to try that someday. While you’re at it, why not make your own film? Michael Moore will be glad to help.
“Why should we take anything he says seriously?” Because of the parts of it that are straight from Obama’s autobiography. Read Kyle’s post again. I’ll be interested in finding out whether the movie accurately represents the autobiography. “His word AIN’T GOSPEL.” If anybody thought it was, you wouldn’t see a mention of “where they think D’Souza is wrong.” Read your own post along with Kyle’s.
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YOU AIN’T THE BOSS OF ME.
You might think you can boss some people.
I AIN’T THE ONE.
You don’t have to like what I say, but you have to
respect my RIGHT to say it.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
@@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
3:28 pm
Nice to see the religious bigotry card being played at 3:23.
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CORRECTION:
BTW, Every other BIGOTRY “CARD” HAS BEEN PLAYED AGAINST OBAMA.
Whats good for the goose…………..yada yada yada
Jack
August 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
Obama is a Marxist. Biden is a clown. If you can think for yourself and when and if you enter that voting booth, you won’t vote for that pair. You won’t vote for a party that wants to take your money and give it to parasites.
Jefferson
August 14th, 2012
3:47 pm
The Mike Moore on the right… GOP is late again to the party/
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
3:48 pm
“Every other BIGOTRY HAS BEEN PLAYED AGAINST OBAMA.”
I don’t subscribe to the kindergarten-level argument of “He did it first”, Trashman.
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
3:51 pm
Jack – If the President is a Marxist, I’d submit you wouldn’t know a Marxist if they slapped you right upside the head.
JamVet
August 14th, 2012
3:51 pm
Jack, you cons still worship at the altar of Joseph McCarthy????
The highly disgraced Joseph McCarthy????
How ludicrous can you faux conservatives be?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 14th, 2012
3:52 pm
You won’t vote for a party that wants to take your money and give it to parasites.
Like the military, seniors, NASA, the CDC, small businesses, farmers!
Frackin PARASITES!
JamVet
August 14th, 2012
3:58 pm
Finn, hysterical huh?
The guy actually thinks it is not completely retarded to refer to people as Marxists.
Talk about stuck in 1956 stupid.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
4:01 pm
Dinesh D’Souza needs to NOW make a movie entitled:
2012: Myth Robme: The Beast Within
It deserves as well an airing among his supporters and those precious few who are unsure about him.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
4:02 pm
Frackin PARASITES!
You left out the Christian school teachers. Hey Jack, why don’t you randomly call some of these private schools and scream “PARASITE!!” to whoever picks up the phone? That oughta make you feel better.
You could scream at random school buses but the drivers can’t hear anything over the rioting students.
fair and balanced
August 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
Funny thing Ryan was all for deficit spending when W. was in office. Black man becomes president and he becomes a deficit hawk as long as rich people like him pay no taxes to fund those evil entitlements..But he had no problem voting for unfunded Medicare drug give away to get W. reelected and does not want to repeal it. . Makes perfect sense to Kyle and most of the people on this blog- Why is that?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
4:04 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
3:48 pm
“Every other BIGOTRY HAS BEEN PLAYED AGAINST OBAMA.”
I don’t subscribe to the kindergarten-level argument of “He did it first”, Trashman.
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You must have STOPPED subscribing YESTERDAY.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
@Jack
August 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
Obama is a Marxist. Biden is a clown. If you can think for yourself and when and if you enter that voting booth, you won’t vote for that pair. You won’t vote for a party that wants to take your money and give it to parasites.
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If Obama is a Marxist,
Myth Robme is a vulture capitalist, an Outsourcer, a liar and a fraud.
You won’t WANT TO vote for a party that wants to take your money
and give it to MILLIONAIRES and BILLIONAIRES..
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
4:12 pm
“Since they’re off 3 months or less, that would make it hard to find a job and by the time they did, they might just be there for 2 months or less. Most folks aren’t going to hire somebody, knowing they’re going to be leaving, right away, especially in my neck of the woods, where the “economic recovery” is just something we’ve heard about on TV and in the papers.”
Hillbilly D.,
I disagree with your premise that most employers aren’t going to hire someone knowing that they will be gone in a few months. If that were true then no students would ever have been hired for part time or full time summer jobs. When I was in college students came back every summer for part time jobs and my employer- a dept. store, routinely hired students and teachers every summer knowing that they would be gone. So that doesn’t quite wash- particularly if a lot of these type jobs such as cafeteria work aren’t exactly high skilled worker. I would have a hard time believing that a cafeteria worker couldn’t turn around and get a job at a fast food or restaurant making the same or more money then what he or she made at the school cafeteria.
As for seasonal workers there are tons of people whose work is seasonal. Doesn’t mean that the rest of us should automatically pay for them to sit home the rest of the year. Landscapers have pretty intensive business during the spring and summer and things slow down in the winter. What do they do? They shift gears and concentrate on other type of work when there’s no grass to be cut in January and February. Do we subsidize landscaping companies because their work is seasonal? A couple of my landscape owner operators who are customers will tell you no. Bottom line is you find something else to do. Asking everyone else to pay you to sit on your duff for 3-4 months is not the answer. And its just not right.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
I wish Romney were a muslim just so that we could then unite as a country and fight together against our mortal enemies. Or, I suppose, that all the muslims would convert to Mormonism.
Then we’d have screeching liberals on the front lines pulling ackmed by the hair and this war would be ova.
Intown
August 14th, 2012
4:16 pm
Sorry Kyle but, I’m not going to waste my time with ANYTHING D’Souza puts together.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
4:19 pm
“That’s 3,000 people.”
Aquagirl,
Yes. But as Hillbilly D points out there are many tens of thousands of others who also do seasonal work. And speaking of that we have tons of guest workers who come to the U.S. from Central America to pick seasonal crops for a few months at a time. We do not pay them to sit on their duffs the rest of the year and for many of the crops they pick the picking season may only be a couple of months before they move on.
“And I notice the article closes with the private Christian school teacher saying “This[unemployment benefits] is a blessing, and what we’ve prayed for all summer.” If Jesus has granted her unemployment, who am I to argue?”
Just because some lady thinks Jesus gave her unemployment doesn’t make it so. Doesn’t make it any more true than someone who says that God cursed us with AIDS due to our fornicatin ways.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
4:19 pm
I tried rioting on my school bus one time, long ago, and wound up walking over 3 miles to the house.
Well, actually it was making out with little Jenny but I just used the rioting as a vehicle to show what punks school bus drivers are nowadays.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
4:21 pm
Back in the day, when the liberal finger wagging mob showed up in support of the school bus rioters, they would have gotten their angry red faces rubbed in the dirt.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
4:21 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
I wish Romney were a muslim just so that we could then unite as a country and fight together against our mortal enemies. Or, I suppose, that all the muslims would convert to Mormonism.
Then we’d have screeching liberals on the front lines pulling ackmed by the hair and this war would be ova.
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HUH?
WHAT?
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH….whatever you said.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:26 pm
I report you Whine
What branch did you serve in and what years?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
4:26 pm
Forward, Tick! Forward on to thy brave little war on thee Mormons! Fight, Tick, fight!
Get the Christians too, you lion!
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:27 pm
“they would have gotten their angry red faces rubbed in the dirt.”
And as a teenager, you cheered them on from the window while standing behind your mom and sister
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 14th, 2012
4:29 pm
US Army, 13F, Forward Observer, 1984- 1987.
Why?
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
4:30 pm
“First of all, the change affects reimbursements to hospitals, insurance companies and other providers, not benefits for average enrollees.”
Finn McCool,
Wrong. The inherent dishonesty in the Obama administration’s talking point there is that these Medicare cuts in the form of reimbursements are built into his assumptions. However, everyone knows that these reductions of 30% in reimbursements to docs and hospitals is never going to take place. If you believe that they actually will carry through with these reductions then you are living in liberal fantasyland. It won’t happen. And to say that if these cuts went through and that it wouldn’t then affect regular medicare beneficiaries is beyond crazy. Hospitals and docs would drop medicare like a hot potato and you can bet your butt that that absolutely would affect Medicare beneficiaries.
Michael H. Smith
August 14th, 2012
4:31 pm
Cherry-picking Obama’s quotes is not something that could discredited D’Souza, unless what is picked was taken out of context, which after hearing these quotes spoken by Obama himself – in this movie and at other times – it is inconceivable anyone with a functioning brain cell one would dare question contextual accuracy, Kyle?
By the way, you’ve been very gentle, even forgetful or perhaps even evasive, of one particular point brought to fore by D’Souza that I was unaware of before viewing the movie last night for myself, Which was very revealing of the deep seated hater within Obama that is evident by the returning of a bust of Winston Churchill out of as D’Souza implies a disdain for a Colonialist and of the West.
Given the womb to yet tomb Marxism that has and continues to encapsulate Obama the parallel D’Souza draws of an anti-coloialist is timid to say the least. Obama clearly never did and does not presently of the America that so many of us desire to have and keep. Too many, even among astute politic conservatives took far too lightly Obama’s words when he said he would fundamentally change America. He didn’t mean make a few adjustments my friends, he meant he would can America into something you would never believe it could become in your wildest
dreamsNightmares.I would agree with D’Souza prognostication of Obama’s desire to bring America down to a level of insignificance among the nations of the world, even the part about Obama’s desires to redistribute the wealth of the old colonial powers and that of the United States among the once colonized countries in fulfilling his and his father’s dreams of revising the outcome of history, Kyle.
But these are my thoughts on the movie and the present facts the rest I’d commend Kyle on presenting in very very fair and balanced article. Though I suggest you go and see the movie, then research all the information independently and form your own opinions and judgements.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
4:38 pm
we have tons of guest workers who come to the U.S. from Central America to pick seasonal crops for a few months at a time. We do not pay them to sit on their duffs the rest of the year
We had crops rotting in the fields last year. Again, you might want to pick another example. Like one that works. Our seasonal crop worker program isn’t what I’d use if I wanted to say “lookit, this works!” Or are you proposing we import Guatemalans to drive our school buses?
I was kind of making fun of the Jesus-sent-me-unemployment lady, sure. My main point is “those people,”—the leeches who are collecting welfare and food stamps and Mr. Pecan Growers’ money—are not fictional cartoons lying on rent to own couches watching replays of Obama teleprompter speeches all day. People like Rafe and his Pecan-slaving relative obsess over talk radio created hordes who supposedly spend their whole life trying to soak The Sacred Job Producers.
Michael H. Smith
August 14th, 2012
4:44 pm
My apologies for the typos.
deep seated hatred within Obama
Obama clearly never did and does not presently have liking a of the America that so many of us desire to have and keep. Too many, even among astute politic conservatives, took far too lightly Obama’s words when he said he would fundamentally
change“Transform” America. He didn’t mean make a few adjustments my friends, he meant he would change America into something you would never believe it could become in your wildestdreamsNightmares.Goodnight compeers and comrades.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:44 pm
Kyle
You guys need to get out and see this movie.
All this blah, blah, blah and it still grossed less than 600k through Aug 12th.
bwhahahahahahahaha
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:46 pm
Depending on where one is at in the US, the ticket price is anywhere from $10 to $15.
Boy, this movie is moving the masses
Tundra Dude
August 14th, 2012
4:48 pm
“The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” argued the president’s world view was shaped heavily by his anti-colonialist Kenyan father.
The good news is, he’s been able to keep his “rage” in check. You’d think by now he’d have bombed those evil British aristocrats.
That, D’Souza claims, allowed Obama to keep his dealings with Marxists mostly out of the public eye on his way to the White House.
On page 1, Deb of Athens nailed it:
A “socialist” a “communist” would have sat back and let Capitalism self destruct
(referring to the Bush/Bankster orchestrated crash of ‘08)
Imo, too late now for any of these exposes, where was this author back in 07-08??
(working at a call center in Bangalore?)
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
4:49 pm
Slick Rick,
More self delusion and willful ignorance. If you don’t believe D’Souza then don’t. Your willful decision not to vet your nominee is no skin off our neck. I know you will not read Obama’s autobiography either, because the quotes are there, about how he seemed to always gravitate toward the Marxist professors and other incendiary things.
Typical liberal response from my liberal friends no matter what you tell them, “I never heard that”, implying it can’t be true because we have not heard it.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
4:51 pm
Aquagirl,
We had some crops rotting in the fields. I was still able to go into the grocery store and readily get watermelons, canteloupes, strawberries, peaches, and peanuts. As a matter of fact the AJC did a writeup on a local grower who hired an all local workforce and got his crop picked. It wasn’t easy but they did it. But I think you missed my point which is simply that the pickers moved on to pick in other states and counties when the job was done. We live in a mobile society ya know. They didn’t sit around asking to be paid the rest of the year.
Aquagirl I am all for having a safety net program. Most conservatives are. What we are not for is the welfare lifestyle becoming a lifestyle for people and for many people in in fact has become exactly that. And its not right to ask one group of taxpayers to support others who only want to work 8-9 months out of the year. There is absolutely no reason why many of these people cannot get similar paying jobs the other 3-4 months out of the year. And if Branson, MO. businesses don’t pay people enough money then it needs to be explained to their employees that they cannot claim welfare for 3-4 months. Many of them will either find work elsewhere or simply tell those businesses thanks but no thanks. At that point those businesses would then have to ante up more money to those employees to get them to come to work for only 9 months or be creative and do something such as pay them a retroactive bonus for coming back to work after a 3-4 month layoff that would compensate them for the time out of work. But it shouldn’t be on the taxpayer to pay for people to routinely sit on their butts for 3-4 months year after year after year.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:51 pm
Rafe
Google Dinesh S’Souza lies. Whether you admit it or not, he has told several regarding Obama, so quit your crying and moaning if someone isn’t too keen on what he has to say.
He is a weak Michael Moore. Same coin, different side
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
“Typical liberal response from my liberal friends no matter what you tell them, “I never heard that”, implying it can’t be true because we have not heard it.”
But it is automatically true because Dinesh said it and some right leaning pundits parroted it?
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
4:58 pm
Aquagirl
You said somewhere back that there were not that many of “those” people with the entitlement mentality. 37% or something close, now have a close family member on some type of government assistance, however, that was not my point. “Those” people is a term used by both sides.
I meant that almost 50% of the people seem to advocate for more taxes, not a small number as you alleged. No matter how much the producers pay, more is requested. We have a permanent subset of people out there who constantly complain about people who find a way to pay less. No matter how much money the government steals, wastes, and misuses, the answer is higher taxes on, “those” people.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:01 pm
From reading here today, I have discovered a most probable fact. 95% of liberals posting here today were imported from Greece. Don’t you think so? It is obvious they have what seems to be the Greek ethic i.e. we don’t have to work hard and the government shall not cut our benefits! More! More!
But even the Greeks do not have trillions in debt and they are close to bankruptcy. Then there’s Spain and Ireland .
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. They may bring bankruptcy and that is just like liberals. .
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:04 pm
Going
I am not supporting D’Souza and am not planning on seeing the movie, Kyle’s good write up supplied what little interest I had. I would never accuse anyone of lying without investigating the issue, however.
The point is, deny all you want about Obama and his ideology, but he explains it in his best selling autobiography, so how do you willfully ignore that? Do you think he lied there as well?
Rob W.
August 14th, 2012
5:08 pm
All of these things were fortold but had to be aligned to bring the truth into the light. After all of this strife I am glad I have my church body and Jesus to rest with. Gone is the days when we hoped for a country that stood out from the rest of the world. Maybe it was a fantasy after all, but, have we all drifted off subject? The question is if this video is true, is this what we are going to be left with in 2016?
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
5:09 pm
Someone is getting in over their head in the 3ft. Hope he has his floaties on, Dusty.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:12 pm
Rafe
I have researched the man when his book came out. He does lie.
If that is good enough for you, so be it.
As for politicians. Not many do not lie, including Obama. So not sure how you excuse Dinesh because someone else is also has lied.
You want a list of some of Romney’s lies and flip flips or are you naive enough to think they were all taken out of context?
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
5:16 pm
Many of them will either find work elsewhere or simply tell those businesses thanks but no thanks. At that point those businesses would then have to ante up more money to those employees to get them to come to work for only 9 months or be creative
And there’s the problem…in this economy businesses hold the cards. They don’t have to ante up more money or be creative. When the admissions booth worker loses their house, it doesn’t affect their business bottom line one bit. Your property values WILL drop.
If those people are so lazy, why are they working 9 months instead of collecting welfare year round? That’s the part that drives the Pecan Grower guy up the wall—thanks to talkie radio and Faux News he thinks those lazy %$! workers are just loving the $250 a week unemployment lifestyle. There’s an assumption of malicious intent created by self-admitted entertainers making piles of money fanning the hate.
Yet we still need people for these seasonal jobs, they’re vital to our economy and telling those little people to go eat cake is not gonna work. By now it should be obvious to even the most stubborn libertarian our economy is connected and not well structured for the 21st century.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:16 pm
Rafe, 4:58
Keep giving ‘em the facts! Wealth envy is so obvious among the most liberal here. LIke you said, higher taxes on the wealthy seems to be their only answer. They don’t even want to realize that rich people are already paying the larger part of taxes.
Not to worry though!! Aquagirl is going to turn over all her riches to the government and that will take care of The Debt!!!! Yes!!! A noble gesture indeed!!!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
5:19 pm
“And there’s the problem…in this economy businesses hold the cards. ”
Correction: In EVERY economy business holds the cards. It is called capitalism, so deal with it.
wallbanger
August 14th, 2012
5:20 pm
Come on liberals. Just go see the movie. Suspend your Obama worship for just 2 hours, and let some sunlight into your dim brains.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:23 pm
going going gone. 5:12
How about you giving us a list of Obama’s lies while you are counting the so called Romney lies?
Now that would be even more interesting than a one sided listing.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:25 pm
Dusty
You go Romney. I will go Obama. Don’t be scared. Water will not be any higher than a few feet. Going to make this easy for you.
You first.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
5:27 pm
@Michael H. Smith
August 14th, 2012
4:31 pm
“Given the womb to yet tomb Marxism that has and continues to encapsulate Obama”
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH…….
“I suggest you go and see the movie, then research all the information independently and form your own opinions and judgements”
I would rather see THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON.
It is also FICTION.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
5:28 pm
As a matter of fact the AJC did a writeup on a local grower who hired an all local workforce and got his crop picked.
How much did he pay them? I bet they wouldn’t work as cheap as illegals and guest workers, which is where the rub comes in. When the farmers (and it’s usually the big farmers, not the small ones) complain that they can’t find help, what they mean is they can”t find help at the price they want to pay. They want to find a cheap labor source and by-pass supply and demand. That’s why they want a “guest-worker” program, even though we already have one, because the program we have costs them more than they want to pay. What they want is a modern version of the old sharecropper system, which while a good plan in theory, was really rife with abuses.
I read a thing here on AJC, last summer I think it was about the largest cucumber farmer in Georgia and how his cucumbers were “rotting in the fields”. Supposedly he couldn’t find anybody to pick them but he made a very telling statement, (paraphrase), “They don’t want to pick them and I’m not going to pick them, so they’ll rot”. If I had cucumbers rotting in a field, I wouldn’t be able to pick them all but I’d get off my ass and get me a bucket and start picking and pick what I could. I wouldn’t think I was too good to pick cucumbers.
Entitlement mentality runs both ways.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:30 pm
Speaking of lies, Obama said today, the auto industry is roaring back. The CBO has just increased the amount taxpayers are on the hook for, to about 2 Billion. GM sales are in the crapper. If he didn’t lie, he couldn’t talk and talk and talk and talk.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
Teachers unions exist in GA?
They can negotiate, strike, etc?
Since when?
I know they are “represented” by union groups and affiliates, but they do not have a union unless that changed recently.
Learn the difference and come back for discussion.
Thanks
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:32 pm
Aquagirl,
People have been doing seasonal work since the dawn of time seeing as how agriculture in and of itself can be deemed as seasonal work. People either lived below their means and made their income or food stores last over 12 months as opposed to 8 or 9 or they simply took a better job that provides work year round. Seems a lot of liberals never learned the story of the ant and the grasshopper. A child understands the concept. Why don’t liberals? Bottom line is that we shouldn’t be paying people to routinely not work 3-4 months out of the year.
As for laziness I never said these people were lazy. I am stating however that by the laws of human nature if you pay someone for a few months to not work then guess what? They are either not going to work or even look for work.
As for the $250 a week lifestyle I did a case study on this since labor economics was my thing as an econ major in college. You’re looking at it the wrong way. The $250 a week equates to about $6.25 an hour for 40 hours. Now lets take these cafeteria workers and say that they can get a job at Burger King making $9 an hour. The difference is $2.75 and hour. Intuitively this person knows that that if they take that job they are really working for $2.75 an hour and not really $9 an hour. The reason being is that they would have received the $6.25 an hour for doing nothing to begin with. People know this and would rather sit at home and relax then get up and flip burgers for a measley gain of only $2.75 an hour in income over and above what they were making doing nothing. When you look at it in this context its no wonder that most of these people can’t or won’t get similar paying jobs when their 8-9 months of work is up. The incentive to do so is simply not there. Not if someone is going to give you $1,000 a month for doing nothing. And this is something myself and any labor economist has known and will readily tell you.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:34 pm
Get schooled
See the Blog host’s article from back in March
http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/03/03/do-unionized-teachers-really-produce-better-results/
Make a step in your life and allow facts to be your friend
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:36 pm
Dusty
Hold on to this side. I will not allow you to drown.
Waiting for you to start the game. You post Romney lies and flip flops, I will in turn do the same for Obama
Ready?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:36 pm
Hillbilly
You are right about the entitlement mentality running both ways. This cucumber farmer probably had
“government supported crop insurance”. Most row crop farmers do have it and it is heavily subsidized. I had a cousin, who worked for a crop insurance company, he said their were two types of farmers these days, real for profit farmers and just as many “insurance” farmers. So, once again government entitlements screwing up America.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
5:37 pm
@Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:04 pm
Going
I am not supporting D’Souza and am not planning on seeing the movie, Kyle’s good write up supplied what little interest I had. I would never accuse anyone of lying without investigating the issue, however.
The point is, deny all you want about Obama and his ideology, but he explains it in his best selling autobiography, so how do you willfully ignore that? Do you think he lied there as well?
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Myth Robme Lies:
1. Romney claimed President Obama “went before the United Nations” and “said nothing about thousands of rockets being rained in on Israel from the Gaza Strip.”
The claim isn’t even close to being right.
2. Romney said Democrats “passed Dodd-Frank,” which “has made it almost impossible for community banks.”
He’s has said this before, and it’s still completely untrue.
3. Romney continues to insist, “Our Navy is now smaller than any time since 1917.”
It’s one of his favorite talking points, but it’s wildly misleading.
4. Romney boasted, “I did not inherit what my wife and I have, nor did she. What I was able to build, I built the old-fashioned way, by earning it, by working hard.”
In reality, he inherited quite a bit from his wealthy, powerful parents.
5. Attacking Newt Gingrich, Romney said of House Republicans, “They also took a vote, and 88 percent of Republicans voted to reprimand the speaker, and he did resign in disgrace after that.”
That’s not really what happened.
6. Romney said, “We have $15 trillion of debt. We’re headed to a Greece- type collapse, and he adds another trillion [dollars] on top for Obamacare and for his stimulus plan that didn’t create private-sector jobs.”
Our debt problem has no resemblance to Greece’s; the Affordable Care Act reduces the debt; and the stimulus added millions of private-sector jobs.
7. Describing his state-based health-care law, Romney said, “At the time we crafted it, I was asked time and again, ‘Is this something that you would have the federal government do?’ I said absolutely not. I do not support a federal mandate.”
Reality shows the exact opposite is true.
8. Going after Obama, Romney said, “We shouldn’t forget that for two years, this President had a Congress that could do everything he wanted.”
Republicans love this, but it’s plainly false.
9. Again commenting on Obama’s record, Romney argued, “If you want to get the economy going, lower corporate tax rates. He’s raised them.”
It’s one of the more transparent lies Romney has told.
10. Asked about his investments in Freddie Mac, Romney told Fox News, “My investments, of course, are managed not by me. For the last 10 years they’ve been guided and managed by a trustee, they’re in a blind trust. And the trustee invested in mutual funds and so forth and apparently one of the funds had Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac bonds.”
He’s lying again.
11. Romney argued, “I didn’t get involved in politics early in my life,” adding he didn’t “politically involved” until after he ran the 2002 Olympics.
Romney ran for the U.S. Senate in 1994. He might remember spending $7 million of his own money on the race.
12. Asked to explain his 1992 vote in a Democratic primary, Romney said, “I’ve never voted for a Democrat when there was a Republican on the ballot.”
That’s not only untrue, it’s a story Romney has changed literally five times.
13. After winning the Florida primary, Romney argued, “On one of the most personal matters of our lives, our health care, President Obama would turn decision making over to government bureaucrats.”
Even for Romney, this is kind of dishonesty is just brazen.
14. After receiving Donald Trump’s endorsement yesterday, Romney, commenting on President Obama and the economy, said, “He’s frequently telling us that he did not cause the recession, and that’s true. But he made it worse.”
Not only is the economy much stronger than it was, even Mitt Romney himself has repeatedly said the economy has improved since Obama took office.
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:39 pm
Aquagirl,
The twenty first century will rise just as well as the people that rise with it. American had some great founders. Human nature has not changed. There will be good, bad and the evil.
OUr best hope is to encourage good minds, good character and a faith in good things. If we can do that, the future here is exciting and advanced. I haven’t given up yet but some days……the sun just doesn’t shine…For real! Seems like it has been raining here for a week!
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:42 pm
Hillbilly D,
He paid them the same as the illegals- by the bushel or in the case I was thinking of by the crate. I think it was strawberries. Anyway though the illegals were so proficient, hardworking, and fast that they were making about $140 a day on average picking- a pile of dough to the average illegal. The average Georgian that the farmer hired was making $40-$50 a day. They just weren’t as fast or as acclimated as the Hispanic illegals. Took a lot more breaks and were just slower is all.
And a lot of the natives quit. They had a prison release program to allow prisoners to come pick if I remember correctly or maybe it was men who had just been paroled. They were the first ones to quit and a few of them quit within an hour to 3 hours. Didn’t even make it a day. If it was me I would much rather pick at my own pace and make $50 a day then be a parolee going home to make zero money. And God knows even if it is hot I just love being outside. Which is why I work an inside job.
I did notice the same thing with this farmer though. He and his family sure as hell weren’t willing to do the work. If it was me I woulda hired all the neighbors kids, made my kids pick, cousins, anybody and everybody and I woulda picked sunup to sundown 7 days a week.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
Rafe
I forget where the site is but there is a government website where you can go and see what amount of farm subsidies have been paid to people, by zip code, in the last 10 years. Last year, I think it was, when all this was being discussed, I went to it and looked up the two closest zip codes to me. The top 10 in those zip codes, for a total of 20 people/companies was quite interesting. Three or four of them were getting subsidies for land in other states, one was a former county elected official, who is retired, with a quite nice pension from those years in office, one was a man awaiting sentencing (now incarcerated) for actions taken in his primary line of work, and three or four of them actually made a living from farming.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
the Affordable Care Act reduces the debt; and the stimulus added millions of private-sector jobs.
Man of many screen names,
speaking of lies! Is that the best you got?
JamVet
August 14th, 2012
5:47 pm
Imagine that, this movie is a total flop.
But then look who “created” it.
To the point where the faithful have to beg non neocons to go see it.
Otay…
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
Thulsa
We may be talking about two separate cases because it was definitely cucumbers, in the one I’m talking about. And they all pay by a piece rate, agriculture is one of the industries that’s exempt from minimum wage.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
You are right about the entitlement mentality running both ways. This cucumber farmer probably had
“government supported crop insurance”.
Hillbilly D,
Yes. That was the other thing that Rafe pointed out. I wonder if getting bailed by the govt doesn’t ensure that welfare entitlement runs both ways also. Sho enough it looks like a 2 ways street on the entitlement mentality. And one last thing on that note. I have a friend whose dad is a huge tomato farmer in S. Carolina. They have a little family tomato stand on the side of the road. They make some decent money on that and that money is tax free from what he tells me. Same with the little stand about 200 yds from where I live. It looks like a very small family stand and just good ole country folks trying to make an honest dollar. The reality is that the farmer that owns it is one of the wealthiest men in the county and I’ld be willing to bet that in that little country stand that always seems to have people in it that they don’t pay any taxes on those proceeds.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Dusty
Water is nice and only three feet. I have some floaties, fins and snorkel for you.
Guess you decided that you were unwilling or unable to play the game. You wanted me to play and I wanted was for you to join in.
Figured you were unable, however I was willing to offer you a chance
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Going going gone 5:36
I don’t keep a count of everybody’s lies. I’m not a paid political blogger.
You brought this up. You finish it. List Obama’s lies.
Myth has already told us his lies at 5:37. As he said, it was all LIES LIES LIES (that he was spreading around.). He beat you to the draw on DNC propaganda material.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Hillbilly,
We are talking about 2 different cases. I’m pretty sure it was strawberries but if it was cucumbers I would have remembered. But the farmer’s mentality in general is usually the same except that in the one case that I speak of the farmer definitely made a big effort to hire local georgians- advertising, spreading the word, etc. But he was the only farmer around trying hard to recruit local pickers. Nobody else seemed to care much.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
Hillbilly
I have been to that website, I know of what you speak. Some of the big farmers down in south GA, exceed the max amount they can legally accept from the government, so when you look down the list you find their wives, sons, daughters, etc each getting the max. Scandal, yes, but typical government program. Every time they try to eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse, the farmers make adjustments.
My cousin, the crop insurance adjuster, said often to get crop failure payments, the insurance farmers, plant less seed than recommended, do not fertilize, and do not rotate their crops. They then wait for a dry spell and call in a total crop failure and demand insurance payment. His job was to investigate claims and he couldn’t work anywhere near where he lived.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
Dusty
Try your hand at google, bing or yahoo and list Romney’s lies and flips flops. Don’t get so easily distracted by others, especially when you are used to staying in the kiddie pool.
Start with Romney and I follow with Obama. We are both going to have a long list.
Problem is that, you are afraid to look up Romney’s lies and flips flops because the truth is something that is not usually your friend.
I have the Obama list ready.
Now take a few minutes and see if you are able to do the exercise or continue to cry about it. Your choice
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
going going gone.
Forget the water bit. You couldn’t save a tadpole in a fish bowl. Obviously! Do better or your pay gets docked.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
ByteMe: I’m shocked! A conservative takes a pessimistic view of Obama. Shocked, I say!!
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40 months of 8-10% unemployment.
Fewer jobs today than when Obozo took office.
100 million Americans on the dole.
$1.5 budget deficits every year.
More debt in three-plus years of Obozo than in eight years of Our President Bush.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
Dusty
You go under so easily without your talking points and generalities.
Again, stay in the shallows because that is best you are capable of doing at this point in your life.
You might be the good at poetry, but political blogs and anything besides, “they call Romney and even you names, Kyle………” and taking points is the best you have ever mustered here or at Bookman’s.
But you have a great day.
Bless his heart
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
People have been doing seasonal work since the dawn of time seeing as how agriculture in and of itself can be deemed as seasonal work.
We no longer have an agrarian society or economy. Comparing a bus driver to a 16th century farmer doesn’t really work. A lot of those 16th century seasonal workers starved to death or died of other causes before they were 40. Once again, your argument “hey, it worked before!” isn’t a selling point.
lets take these cafeteria workers and say that they can get a job at Burger King making $9 an hour. The difference is $2.75 and hour.
I totally concede the point if people are only going to make $2.75 per hour for working vs. not working, they’re more likely to sit at home and collect unemployment. The business world has become like our society, lots of low paying jobs at the bottom, a few big ones at the top, and fewer in-between. Most conservatives seem okay with this. They worship the Wal-Mart model. I don’t.
Corporations (including those Branson businesses) collect corporate welfare when business cycles take a downturn. Maybe you should read the Ant and the Grasshopper story to some of those execs. They expect government help and get a hell of a lot more than those bus drivers.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Rafe, Thulsa
There was a program on PBS, I think it was, a few years back about two college students who wanted to see what farming was like, from a business standpoint. Of course, they had no land or equipment, so they leased a very small amount (seems like less than 5 acres) and planted corn. Now granted, they didn’t know much about what they were doing and had to hire plowing, etc. since they had no tractor. This was in the corn belt, somewhere. Anyway, they managed to make a small crop and sell it after harvest but, as you would guess, they lost money. I think this whole thing may have been part of a college project. Anyway, they talked to various farmers about what they had done wrong and one guy was pretty interesting. His first question was, “Did you boys apply for your subsidies?” They told him they didn’t know about that and he told that’s why they didn’t make a profit. As he said, “None of us would”.
I saw another thing, way back about a guy who sold crop insurance in one of the drier parts of Oklahoma. He insured corn crops and they were after him because nearly everybody’s crop always failed. One local farmer was interviewed and they asked him why he didn’t grow corn. He said he didn’t grow corn because that part of Oklahoma didn’t get enough average rainfall, to grow corn.
I reckon, in a nutshell, everything is a frigging mess, with everything.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Hillbilly D,
You think I could get some recompense on my tomatoes? They are not thriving. I should have planted water lilies.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
@Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
the Affordable Care Act reduces the debt; and the stimulus added millions of private-sector jobs.
Man of many screen names,
speaking of lies! Is that the best you got?
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WHAT YOU GOT?
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Oh, Rafe – I believe I’ve said this before but it bears repeating: one of us is right, and one of us is wrong. Hint: I’m not wrong on this.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Kyle
Get the word out on this movie. It needs all the help it can get with its lackluster box office revenue. Free market man like you can see that this movie is not nor will be much of a money maker.
I might catch it on Red Box or when the Sci Fi channel runs it along with ET and Poltergeist.
later duded
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
6:12 pm
Dusty
This is a bad year for everything. Worst I’ve seen in many years. Folks like me and you, we just have to suck it up and hope for a better year, next year. And not to be the bearer of bad news but since the drought came back this year, I can’t ever remember seeing a one year drought. So it may be a while before we see our gardens thrive again.
That’s why the lessons of the seven years of plenty and seven years of famine are ones that folks would do well to remember.
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:15 pm
I don’t have a job because the economy’s bad, the economy’s bad because I don’t have a job.
Why did they ship my job to China?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:18 pm
It was never your job.
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:19 pm
What could have possibly happened to our economy between the longest peacetime expansion and 2008?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:21 pm
Democrats stopped paying their mortagages.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:24 pm
The Dodd-Frank recession ended in June 2009. What happened to the recovery?
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:24 pm
Try this Lil Bar: George W bush was elected.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
6:24 pm
Why did they ship my job to China?
Short answer, they work cheaper.
On the bright side, there are some signs that companies are beginning to realize that the grass wasn’t as green as they thought. I read an article a couple days ago that some manufacturers are beginning to realize that between rising wages there, quality problems, counterfeiting of their products, cost of bribes, etc, China wasn’t the bargain they thought. So there may be some hope that some jobs will come back.
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:29 pm
“The Dodd-Frank recession ended in June 2009. What happened to the recovery?”
Boy, that’s really something seeing as how Dodd-Frank wasn’t passed until 2010 (July 21).
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:31 pm
Why did they ship your job to China?
Because the Chinese don’t whine about free contraception. They don’t reflexively oppose developing their own natural resources. The Chinese think profit is good. Chinese citizens don’t demand their government confiscate the property of others and redistribute it to them. The lazy in China aren’t coddled and rewarded. Because Chinese students who study hard aren’t criticized and beat up by thugs for “acting white”.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:33 pm
The Dodd-Frank recession was caused by Dodd and by Frank, who insisted that the federal government “roll the dice” with Fanny and Freddie, thereby causing the housing bubble and meltdown.
md
August 14th, 2012
6:33 pm
” Romney is correct in the figure and correct in asserting that the money is being diverted from Medicare to help pay for Obamacare, but he misleads on the mechanism and its effects. First of all, the change affects reimbursements to hospitals, insurance companies and other providers, not benefits for average enrollees. ”
OK, I know some have a hard time looking beyond the written word, but what do you think happens when the reimbursements are cut to hospitals, insurance companies and other providers????
You think those losses just evaporate into fairy land never to be seen again??
ilikehandouts
August 14th, 2012
6:34 pm
Why don’t you freeloading, lazy liberals stop and open your eyes to the facts. We have more people on welfare now than at any point in history. Obama hasn’t done anything to fix it, and it’s only going to get worse. The Americans that have money probably worked their ass off for it. Why should I give my hard earned money to someone who is too poor to support themselves and continues to have kids? Why should I pay for illegal immigrants to raid our healthcare system with their problems? This is America. You work for what you want.
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:34 pm
Lil’ Bar: all that sounds well and good. Unfortunately, since I lost my job I can’t buy anything they make. I can’t buy anything.
Maybe that’s why their exports are hurting and their economy is facing collapse.
Maybe that’s why Europe is on the verge of collapse.
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:38 pm
ilikehandouts: I would much rather work for a living. Do you know where I can find a job? Do they have any openings at your place?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
6:42 pm
“Do you know where I can find a job?”
Retail is always available, especially if you are clean and can speak well.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:43 pm
Well, I am sorry about your situation, mike. All kidding aside, the best way to increase jobs in this country is in part to stop supporting leaders who aren’t doing everything within reason to grow businesses. That’s a big picture, medium-term solution, admittedly, and no solution to your immediate problem, but this is a political blog after all.
Businesses create jobs, not welfare programs. Obozo has been very busy making the environment very unfriendly to business. You can vote for Obozo, who knows how to grow government, or you can vote for Romney, who knows how to grow businesses. Romney’s done it before. Obozo doesn’t have the first clue.
ilikehandouts
August 14th, 2012
6:43 pm
Ya, we do actually. Are you qualified? Educated? There are jobs and opportunity out there..it’s just obvious some people want it more than others.
md
August 14th, 2012
6:43 pm
“The point is, deny all you want about Obama and his ideology, but he explains it in his best selling autobiography, so how do you willfully ignore that? Do you think he lied there as well?”
Hey, cut the guy some slack. He was probably high when he wrote that stuff and doesn’t remember it.
Back in the day, we had all the world’s problems solved during one night of rabble rousing, although we couldn’t remember what we discussed by the next morning…….
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:44 pm
What kind of work are you looking for, mike?
md
August 14th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Why did they ship my job to China?”
Because the American consumer told them to………..you really didn’t think 40 years of buying cheap foreign goods wasn’t going to have consequences??
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:47 pm
The only work I have ever done is work at the plant. What would I have to do to get one of these retail jobs? How much does it pay?
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
6:49 pm
The lazy in China aren’t coddled and rewarded.
Certainly not, some of the performers for the 2008 Olympic ceremonies wore adult diapers for practice since breaks were not in the schedule. We need more of that work ethic here. Get out there and set the standard, Lil’ Barry. We’re behind you—just not too close behind, and hopefully upwind.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:53 pm
Adult diapers are a huge productivity enhancer. The guys in the office can also keep an empty Gatorade bottle on hand and eliminate a bathroom break.
md
August 14th, 2012
6:53 pm
“China wasn’t the bargain they thought. So there may be some hope that some jobs will come back.”
Problem is, it is a whole lot harder getting out of China than it is to get in…..which is pretty dang hard. They have restrictions in place on how much money an entity can take out of the country. They’ll let you bring it in by the bucket loads but then hold it hostage……….
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
6:53 pm
“What would I have to do to get one of these retail jobs? How much does it pay?”
It doesn’t pay much, but it’s a job. You need to be presentable, willing to learn the product your selling, and be able to comfortably interact with people.
md
August 14th, 2012
6:55 pm
There were a few commutes across the top end where I wished I had adult diapers………
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
6:55 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:18 pm
It was never your job.
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The same thing Myth Robme said when he OUTSOURCED JOBS TO CHINA.
“It was never your job.”
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:57 pm
I know how to interact with the other fellows on the shop floor. Maybe that’s a good idea Tiberius. I’ll certainly give it a try and report back and let you know how it worked out! Thanks! Retail. Why didn’t I think of that?
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
6:57 pm
md
That’s true but there have been some companies that have done it. I think it was an AP article that I read but I can’t find it now or I’d link it. It was more the small and mid-size companies that were moving back.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:57 pm
One of the worst days on the top end perimeter was the day the truck spilled several cases of Teeny Beanie Babies on 285. Idiots were stopping to open their doors, lean out, and scoop them up.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
6:58 pm
The guys in the office can also keep an empty Gatorade bottle on hand and eliminate a bathroom break.
Well there ya go….Chinese don’t whine about sexual harassment when the guy at the next desk whips out the trouser snake.
I’ll take your word on the value of adult diapers for productivity. No supporting anecdotes are necessary. Really.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
7:00 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:43 pm
Businesses create jobs, not welfare programs. Obozo has been very busy making the environment very unfriendly to business. You can vote for Obozo, who knows how to grow government, or you can vote for Romney, who knows how to grow businesses. Romney’s done it before. Obozo doesn’t have the first clue.
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You can vote for Myth Robme if you want to work in CHINA.
He is the OUTSOURCING KING.
Maybe he will get you a job in the Cayman Island, Switzerland or anywhere
but the U. S. A.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
7:01 pm
I could tell y’all a story here but Kyle would just take it down and rightfully so.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
7:01 pm
Yeah, that’s another reason the Chinese are taking your job. They’re not so litigious and so anxious to be offended. They’re more adult. Stuff happens.
mike
August 14th, 2012
7:02 pm
I’ll sure be glad when they reload my EBT card. Just 17 more days and we can eat again.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
7:03 pm
The sooner those low-wage jobs go to China, the sooner we can all get busy with higher value added jobs like designing iPhones and rationing health care.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
7:05 pm
If all jobs become high wage jobs then there really won’t be any high wage jobs, they’ll be mid-wage jobs. You can’t have a high without a low or a low without a high.
mike
August 14th, 2012
7:06 pm
I sure wish I could find a job like what Lil’ Bar or Tiberius has. Now that would really be something.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
7:06 pm
I’ve been wondering how AquaGirl could spend so much time on this blog. Now we know–Depends.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
7:08 pm
You can’t have a high without a low or a low without a high.
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Don’t tell that to Obozo. He might cry. Don’t you know that prosperity is supposed to be shared? I haven’t quite figured out how it is that a bus driver is supposed to share his prosperity with me.
mike
August 14th, 2012
7:09 pm
In the letter we got from the plant, they said they were “repositioning operations towards greater profitability and a lower cost structure” whatever that means.
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
7:09 pm
I’ve been wondering how AquaGirl could spend so much time on this blog. Now we know–Depends
I had a few extra left over from my Six Flags trip. They sponsor a couple of those roller coasters.
md
August 14th, 2012
7:14 pm
“Maybe he will get you a job in the Cayman Island, Switzerland or anywhere
but the U. S. A.”
Good to know…..I wasn’t aware that Staples and Sports Authority had moved their operations overseas……..
bu2
August 14th, 2012
7:20 pm
The reason Obama can’t fix the economy is he doesn’t understand why we are in a recession. He thinks its the globalization of the economy (as if he can roll that back) and tax policies that pulled us out of the 9/11 recession.
Its simply a real estate bubble that led to a drop in home prices which led to bank closures and loss of financial and construction jobs and a decline in consumer confidence. And the real estate bubble was fueled by the Democrats in 97 forcing banks to loan in bad neighborhoods or lose their bank charter. So the banks made their bad loans and it eventually came to roost. McCain and 14 Republican Senators tried to get W to rein in Fanny Mae, but the Democrats were unanimously opposed (including Senator Obama) and W was too laissez faire to get involved until it collapsed.
Texas had a real estate collapse worse than all but a handful of states in this recession back in 86 that only lasted 3 years, even without a trillion dollar stimulus. 25% of people in Houston lost their jobs in 1986. Yet everything was back to normal in 1989. There were lots of foreclosures, but they moved through the system. Obama’s policies are to drag out the real estate problems and ignore the forclosed properties sitting on the market. It took Bill Clinton several months into Obama’s presidency to tell him to quit belly aching about how bad things were and how much worse they were going to get. Obama destroyed what was left of consumer confidence. Millions lost their jobs simply because Obama couldn’t quit whining.
md
August 14th, 2012
7:20 pm
“You can’t have a high without a low or a low without a high.”
And this is where I think the unions did their workers no favors. Jobs are meant to be stepping stones like everything else in life, as one betters oneself, they move along the ladder.
What the unions did was reward based on longevity……so the guy that entered his career turning a screwdriver stayed in that job because he kept getting raises. Problem was, he never learned how to do anything else and therefore harmed himself. I was in a union for 20+ years and saw guys that did the same thing their entire career……and bitched about it the whole time……
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
7:29 pm
md
Why no mention of the non union jobs that were shipped overseas? As many or more than union jobs. You are free to look that up if you think I am not telling the truth.
That includes manufacturing, engineering, programming, customer service, etc.
You are being disingenuous or naive to think unions are the only problem.
They surely can be, so not trying to give them a pass, however I am telling a much more definitive truth than you have portrayed.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
7:45 pm
@md
August 14th, 2012
7:14 pm
“Maybe he will get you a job in the Cayman Island, Switzerland or anywhere
but the U. S. A.”
Good to know…..I wasn’t aware that Staples and Sports Authority had moved their operations overseas……..
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Sports Authority Plans To Expand Into Europe Retailer Wants To Follow Toys “r“ Us Example
Imagine Manchester (England) United and Arsenal soccer shirts next to those of the Miami Dolphins and San Francisco 49ers. Or cricket bats in the same aisle as Louisville Sluggers.
That`s what you would see if Sports Authority, which has been expanding rapidly in the United States, realizes its plans to start opening stores in Europe.
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Staples Inc. shares tumbled 8.4% on Wednesday, the second-biggest decliner on the S&P 500, after the company reported disappointing fourth-quarter retail sales in Australia and Europe.
The largest U.S. office-supplies chain (US:SPLS) said it’s seeking to bring down the costs in its international unit, and plans “several hundred” job cuts in Europe and Australia, a move that it said will be a “noticeable headwind” for the international unit’s bottom line in the first half.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE DON’T KNOW
md
August 14th, 2012
7:56 pm
“McCain and 14 Republican Senators tried to get W to rein in Fanny Mae, but the Democrats were unanimously opposed (including Senator Obama) and W was too laissez faire to get involved until it collapsed.”
I have to take exception to that one…….say what one will about W, but the guy noted the problems with Fannie and Freddie in his budget proposals as far back as 2001……..
md
August 14th, 2012
8:00 pm
“Why no mention of the non union jobs that were shipped overseas?”
I’ve mentioned those jobs many times……the American consumer shipped them over there when it forced the cost of goods down below what our labor rates could compete with…….companies had a choice, go overseas in search of cheaper labor or stick it out here knowing they couldn’t be competitive.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
8:03 pm
We truly are living in the End Times……….
http://mlb.mlb.com/cutfour/index.jsp#contentId=36586280
md
August 14th, 2012
8:04 pm
Sports Authority and Staples have overseas operations IN ADDITION TO their stateside operations……big difference.
Now, if the dems would take off their stupid hats and allow that 2 trillion in offshore profits to come home at a much lower tax, then these corps could use that capital in their stateside operations. Instead, we will continue to see corps buy/build/joint venture that money offshore in order to maximize their capital………
mike
August 14th, 2012
8:08 pm
“Congress passed a similar repatriation tax holiday in 2004 and required firms to create domestic jobs or make new domestic investments to get the tax break. Nonetheless, the firms, on average, used the tax break to repurchase shares or pay dividends — not to increase investment.
The holiday, instead, turned into a massive tax break for shareholders — resulting in little or no economic gain or job market expansion. Why? Because money is fungible, to satisfy the requirements of the law, corporations reported repatriated funds as the source of money for investments or jobs they would have created anyway — and used other funds to increase shareholder wealth.”
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2011/06/27-corporate-tax-holiday-gale-harris
I’m just a poor working stiff, but I ain’t stupid.
md
August 14th, 2012
8:14 pm
“I’m just a poor working stiff, but I ain’t stupid.”
Well, that’s debateable after that post.
Simple math problem for you…….if we leave that money offshore, what are we getting out of it?
Yes, the answer is zero…..
We bring it back even at 0% and let’s say the corps give it to their shareholders as dividends, where do those dividends go?
That is correct…..in the bank. The bank is our system…….NOT the bank in some other system.
You do know how the banks use money when it’s in our system….right?
So yeh, let’s keep the stupid hats on and guarantee ourselves 0%……which is what we get by leaving it offshore.
md
August 14th, 2012
8:20 pm
“The holiday, instead, turned into a massive tax break for shareholders —”
The other half of that equation……you do know who those shareholders are don’t you?
They are you and me and everyone else with a 401k. pension plan, etc……so yeh again, let’s keep the stupid hats on and not pay ourselves……
mike
August 14th, 2012
8:22 pm
md: if I didn’t know better, I’d say that sounds like “trickle down” to me.
If we tax it at the regular corporate rate what to we get from it?
A lot less deficit?
Let’s see: $2 trillion x .35 tax rate = $700,000,000,000?
That would pay back TARP and then some including the GM bailout.
md
August 14th, 2012
8:31 pm
Also, how many retirees had to find part time work or postpone their retirments because their investments took a nose dive?
And Mike and like thinkers think it is a good idea to leave that 2 trillion offshore……I’d hazard a guess those retirees would welcome that money and spend it in OUR economy.
md
August 14th, 2012
8:32 pm
“If we tax it at the regular corporate rate what to we get from it?”
Absolutely nothing…..that is why it is sitting offshore in the first place. What part of that is so hard to understand?
md
August 14th, 2012
8:34 pm
Mike….you ever hear the saying “one in the hand is better than 2 in the bush”?
You need to apply it to this scenario, except we aren’t even getting the 1 in the hand…..
md
August 14th, 2012
8:36 pm
“md: if I didn’t know better, I’d say that sounds like “trickle down” to me.”
Money to shareholders is now trickle down?
Shame on all those dastardly teacher unions, and firefighter unions, and police unions……how dare they expect their investments to actually pay a dividend…….
mike
August 14th, 2012
8:43 pm
“Shame on all those dastardly teacher unions, and firefighter unions, and police unions……how dare they expect their investments to actually pay a dividend…….”
What teacher unions, firefighter unions, police unions? Scott Walker did away with them.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
8:50 pm
From Yahoo: “On Tuesday, speaking at a rally in Danville, Va., Vice President Joe Biden told a group of supporters that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney would “put you all back in chains” if elected.”
Really? THIS is the level of discourse we should expect from the Vice-President of the United States?
Predictably, Obama spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter defend Biden’s remarks. Of course, she’s also the one who called Romney a felon, so I guess we shouldn’t expect anything less from that harpy.
What’s next? Speeches telling black people their churches are going to burn down if Romney is elected?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
8:52 pm
“What teacher unions, firefighter unions, police unions? Scott Walker did away with them.”
You know, mike, if you’re just going to come on here and post nonsense, why don’t you go next door to that other columnist?
If you don’t know that all those unions still exist in WI, albeit with less power to hold up taxpayers for expensive deals they cannot afford, then you really have no business being here.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:00 pm
You know, about 9 hours ago I asked liberals on this blog to write a well thought-out, reasoned argument as to why the Romney / Ryan ticket shouldn’t be elected, and doing so without the use of DNC talking points (hence, the well thought-out part).
I got crickets chirping.
This simply proves that the leftists on this blog (and their administration as well) don’t have the desire nor the ability to wage a campaign based on the issues.
Really, really sad.
mike
August 14th, 2012
9:01 pm
You mean they still have the power of collective bargaining is Wisconsin, Tiberius?
I didn’t know that.
mike
August 14th, 2012
9:06 pm
Tiberius: how about if you were to write out a well thought out, reasoned argument as to why Romney, Ryan should be elected.
Do you think that the plant will reopen here if they are elected?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:12 pm
Mike, shouldn’t you be applying for jobs and updating your resume?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:12 pm
“You mean they still have the power of collective bargaining is Wisconsin, Tiberius?
I didn’t know that.”
There is a LOT you don’t know, mike. Collective bargaining is alive and well in Wisconsin for public employees, but ONLY for wages – NOT for benefits. From the City-Journal:
“The collective-bargaining component of Walker’s plan has yielded especially large financial dividends for school districts. Before the reform, many districts’ annual union contracts required them to buy health insurance from WEA Trust, a nonprofit affiliated with the state’s largest teachers’ union. Once the reform limited collective bargaining to wage negotiations, districts could eliminate that requirement from their contracts and start bidding for health care on the open market. When the Appleton School District put its health-insurance contract up for bid, for instance, WEA Trust suddenly lowered its rates and promised to match any competitor’s price. Appleton will save $3 million during the current school year.
Appleton isn’t alone. According to a report by the MacIver Institute, as of September 1, “at least 25 school districts in the Badger State had reported switching health care providers/plans or opening insurance bidding to outside companies.” The institute calculates that these steps will save the districts $211.45 per student. If the state’s other 250 districts currently served by WEA Trust follow suit, the savings statewide could reach hundreds of millions of dollars.”
You can read more about how well Walker’s reforms (hint: they actually SAVED union jobs) are doing at:
http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_1_scott-walker.html
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:14 pm
There were more jobs in the U.S. on the day Obozo took office than there are today.
Heckuva job, Barry!
Fail.
Karen
August 14th, 2012
9:19 pm
Dang, I bet he wasnt even born in the USA. Let’s see that birth certificate! You sunk real low on this one Kyle.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:26 pm
“You sunk real low on this one Kyle.”
——————
As compared to, say, Biden telling blacks that President Romney would put them back in chains?
mike
August 14th, 2012
9:27 pm
“Under this law, called Wisconsin Act 10, state and local government workers are required to increase contributions to their health insurance and pensions. As a result, many union workers, such as teachers, have faced pay cuts.”
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:27 pm
Boo freaking hoo.
mike
August 14th, 2012
9:30 pm
Lil’ Bar: how many manufacturing jobs did Bush lose during his presidency?
mike
August 14th, 2012
9:32 pm
Everything I’ve read says that Romney is going to lose in November. Any thoughts on that?
Just saying..
August 14th, 2012
9:32 pm
-12 million new American jobs
-North American oil independence from the Middle East within 8 years
Mitt’s promises so far. Man, I can’t wait til the Real campaigning begins…
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
9:34 pm
Everything I’ve read says that Romney is going to lose in November. Any thoughts on that?
Personally, I think it’s a toss-up, right now. Still a ways to go.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:42 pm
“Everything I’ve read says that Romney is going to lose in November. Any thoughts on that?”
Well, given the fact that we’ve already proven your reading list is rather one-sided and limited, my first suggestion is to read something other than what you already do read, mike.
md
August 14th, 2012
9:42 pm
” As a result, many union workers, such as teachers, have faced pay cuts.”
And if they don’t reduce costs, then some of those teachers end up losing their jobs vs having to pay a bit more toward their benefits.
Something else those wearing the stupid hats have a hard time with…..is it best to layoff 20% of a workforce or let the company go under??
I can tell you from experience I would have preferred the pay cut vs what we ended up with…..which was everybody getting nothing.
It’s a whole lot easier trying to find another job while taking a 50% pay cut than it is when one takes a 100% pay cut……
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
9:44 pm
“Under this law, called Wisconsin Act 10, state and local government workers are required to increase contributions to their health insurance and pensions. As a result, many union workers, such as teachers, have faced pay cuts.”
And the mere fact that these worker still HAVE jobs, instead of being laid off, should be a comfort to you, mike.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:45 pm
how many manufacturing jobs did Bush lose during his presidency
———————–
None. He increased them.
Lower tax rates for all tax payers.
4-6% unemployment for eight years.
Measly $300 billion deficits.
Our President Bush: Superior to Obozo.
splavistic
August 14th, 2012
9:45 pm
Since when has it been un-American to root for the underdog (the poor), cheer for the downfall of the tyrant (rich bankers and their ilk), and have civic pride (care for our environment)?!! Seriously?! This is the same America I always read about in Superman comics, but it’s the right wing (thank you very much Newt) that has gone un-American and is pro-rich, anti- social, and want to screw up the health of our communities. Obama 2012!
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:46 pm
Obozo has been in office nearly four years.
Why don’t you have a job?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
9:47 pm
@md
August 14th, 2012
8:04 pm
Sports Authority and Staples have overseas operations IN ADDITION TO their stateside operations……big difference.
Now, if the dems would take off their stupid hats and allow that 2 trillion in offshore profits to come home at a much lower tax, then these corps could use that capital in their stateside operations. Instead, we will continue to see corps buy/build/joint venture that money offshore in order to maximize their capital………
____________________________________________
Blah blah blah
It’s always the dem’s fault.
Yada yada yada…..
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:49 pm
splavistic: Since when has it been un-American to….cheer for the downfall of…the rich?
———————–
Why do you hate Americans?
You are the problem.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
9:50 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:46 pm
Obozo has been in office nearly four years.
Why don’t you have a job?
__________________________________________________
In the words of the CONS……………..
“If YOU ain’t rich,,,,,,,,,IT’S YOUR FAULT.
heeheeeheeheeheeheeheehee
md
August 14th, 2012
9:51 pm
“It’s always the dem’s fault.”
Not always, but in this instance you are correct, the dems are the ones that will not allow that 2 trillion into the country without it being taxed…..again, as it was already taxed by the country of origin.
And in the Fannie/Freddie fiasco you are also correct. All one has to do is google it.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:54 pm
splavistic: care for our environment
———————-
How much jet fuel has Obozo burned traveling to campaign events?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
9:55 pm
@splavistic
August 14th, 2012
9:45 pm
Since when has it been un-American to root for the underdog (the poor), cheer for the downfall of the tyrant (rich bankers and their ilk), and have civic pride (care for our environment)?!! Seriously?! This is the same America I always read about in Superman comics, but it’s the right wing (thank you very much Newt) that has gone un-American and is pro-rich, anti- social, and want to screw up the health of our communities. Obama 2012!
_____________________________________________________________________________
CONS CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
In matters of truth and justice, there is no difference between large
and small problems, for issues concerning the treatment of people are all the same.
Here we go
August 14th, 2012
9:55 pm
“You know, mike, if you’re just going to come on here and post nonsense, why don’t you go next door to that other columnist?”
As much as you might think you do, you do not run this blog nor have been assigned by the AJC or Kyle to run the blog.
Mike: within the rules, post what you want.
Tiberius is not the caretaker here.
Have a great night
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:57 pm
splavistic: care for our environment
———————-
How many jets did the Obozo family fly to Martha’s VIneyard for their recent vacation?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
9:58 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:54 pm
splavistic: care for our environment
———————-
How much jet fuel has Obozo burned traveling to campaign events?
____________________________________________________________________
The same amount of energy that Myth Robme uses FOR HIS CAR ELEVATOR,
his jet skies and all of his cadillacs..
heeheeheeheehee
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:02 pm
““If YOU ain’t rich,,,,,,,,,IT’S YOUR FAULT.”
Your point being, Trashman . . . . ?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:03 pm
I see my leg-humper under a different blog name (again) is back.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
10:06 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:57 pm
splavistic: care for our environment
———————-
How many jets did the Obozo family fly to Martha’s VIneyard for their recent vacation?
_____________________________________________
How many jets did MYTH ROBME fly to INSULT the British, to outrage Palestinians
and sick up at a Jerusalem fundraiser?
YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE WRONG THANG.
heeheeheeheeheeheehee
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
10:07 pm
Don’t step in anything stinky, Tib.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
10:08 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:57 pm
splavistic: care for our environment
———————-
How many jets did the Obozo family fly to Martha’s VIneyard for their recent vacation?
_____________________________________________
CORRECTION
How many jets did MYTH ROBME fly to INSULT the British, to outrage Palestinians
and BROWN NOSE at a Jerusalem fundraiser?
YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE WRONG THANG.
heeheeheeheeheeheehee
Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:10 pm
I see you acting as if you run this blog………………. “again”
You don’t. Get over it. Move on.
You were thumped off one for acting like a behind.
Within the AJC and Kyle’s rules people are free to post what they wish.
No one said your rules. So thump your little bird chest and huff and puff all you like. That will not change.
Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:11 pm
Good night all
And don’t bruise your bird chest thumping it so much, but on the other hand………… If it gives you some self worth, thump it int he mirror a few times
hahahahaha
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
10:13 pm
#1@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:02 pm
““If YOU ain’t rich,,,,,,,,,IT’S YOUR FAULT.”
Your point being, Trashman . . . . ?
#2@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:03 pm
I see my leg-humper under a different blog name (again) is back.
_____________________________________________________________
#1…….YOUR CONS SAY ITS YOUR FAULT.
#2…….THIS IS NOT YOUR LEG HUMPING MOTHER.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:15 pm
“I see you acting as if you run this blog………………. “again”
You grasp of the English language is faulty, leg-humper.
I merely make suggestions. I feel it is far easier for the uninformed to post over there, rather than over here. It is a much more nurturing environment over there for the terminally stupid, rather than having to face the humiliation of being outed as one who doesn’t know squat over here.
I’d say the same for you, but since you never post anything on topic or of substance, I have no idea how misinformed you are. The only thing I know is that you only show up when I post, which is kinda creepy.
Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:18 pm
“It is a much more nurturing environment over there for the terminally stupid”
Actually the IQ level went up 10 fold at Bookman’s, when you were thumped for what? stupidity
Again, you do not make the rules. GET OVER IT, little man
Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:20 pm
Don’t sue me
hahahahaha
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
10:22 pm
I rest my case.
Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:27 pm
Rested your mouth
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
10:39 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:45 pm
how many manufacturing jobs did Bush lose during his presidency
———————–
None. He increased them.
Lower tax rates for all tax payers.
4-6% unemployment for eight years.
Measly $300 billion deficits.
Our President Bush: Superior to Obozo.
__________________________________________________
Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
10:54 pm
@Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:27 pm
Rested your mouth
________________________________________
He is just showing off.
Showing off is the fool’s idea of glory.
A Fool follows his own wisdom and makes his own mistakes
but a Wise man learns from the mistakes of fools.
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
11:02 pm
“The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever. Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to ‘Please Do Not Feed the Animals. Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves. This ends today’s lesson.’”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:15 pm
Even though none of the libs on here have taken me up on that challenge to write something meaningful about why they believe that a Romney / Ryan ticket wouldn’t be good for America, I was asked by mike to write why I think they will be.
So even if the libs won’t step up and have an intelligent conversation about this, I will.
First, the people reading this have to understand two premises tat I believe are largely ignored in substantive discourse regarding this election. One, I do not believe that people and political parties remain static in the face of changing situations. Two, I believe that these times regarding our nation’s fiscal health have escalated to the point were I believe that to continue on the course we have been on for over 30 years now must be reversed, and soon, or there will be no averting an economic disaster that will take the entire world economy down with it.
I have always acknowledged that the Republican Party is nearly as much at fault as the Democrats in driving up the deficit and debt. Roughly right, Democrats in charge of Congress are responsible for approximately 53% of our debt, while Republicans own 47% of it.
But while many on the left believe that the GOP cannot change and will remain the same budget-busting party of the 2000’s, I think that many (but not all) have gotten the message over the past 6 years. I say 6 years, because they learned from an electoral standpoint about the consequences of their actions during the Bush years, and I believe that many have learned about the fiscal implications of their actions as well.
Mitt Romney knows business. He knows how to dig companies and entities out of trouble and put them on a path to success. Despite all the harping from the left, the record clearly shows that Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital resulted in 70% of all companies invested in during his leadership made money and added or saved employees. Cherry-picking companies that closed after he left does not help the left’s case one bit. Was Romney perfect? No. But everyone in the venture capital business readily acknowledges that a 70% success rate is well above the norm for that business.
Paul Ryan knows taxes. It is likely that no one on Capitol Hill knows taxes and their implications on business better than Paul Ryan. He and Mitt Romney agree that tax breaks for any business that are in place to help a specific business are bad for the tax code, allowing government to pick winners and losers based on industry. They both agree that is wrong, so that when they say they want to lower tax rates on everybody, they will do so by removing the tax codes that favor or target specific businesses to offset the lower rates. Their plan makes the tax code simpler and fairer, which will reduce compliance costs to businesses and individuals across America.
Both know that entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare have to be reformed. Contrary to the attacks from the left, the Ryan Plan does NOT end nor destroy either of these two programs. For both, no changes for anyone are proposed if they are 55 or older. For Social Security, the retirement age is proposed to be raised 2 years for those people younger than 55 contemplating retirement in the future. On Medicare, again there will be no changes to the plan for people 55 or older. For those younger than that, they will have an option to continue on the current plan without changes, or they can choose to receive a voucher to buy private insurance in lieu of receiving Medicare. If they find a private plan that costs less than their voucher, they pocket the difference. If they don’t, they pay the difference. But their medical care will now be in THEIR hands, not the government. But ultimately, people will be able to choose if they wish to continue with the traditional Medicare program.
Add in their desire to reduce the size of (but not eliminate), various government agencies that have grown out of control, and I am very comfortable with a Romney / Ryan administration. We’ve tried stimulus programs that haven’t been paid for and have had marginal benefits. Those benefits have been shown to be temporary, but the debt that results from them is not.
Given the alternative, I am exceedingly comfortable and hopeful that a Republican administration of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan is the best alternative for the long-term health of this nation, and could avert a worse disaster down the road.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 14th, 2012
11:20 pm
…the people reading this have to understand…
You were never granted the authority to define what it is that me or anyone else “have to” do.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
11:25 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:15 pm
Even though none of the libs on here have taken me up on that challenge to write something meaningful about why they believe that a Romney / Ryan ticket wouldn’t be good for America, I was asked by mike to write why I think they will be.
So even if the libs won’t step up and have an intelligent conversation about this, I will.
____________________________________________________________________
An intelligent conversation is a dialogue, not a monologue.
That’s why there are so few good conversations: due to scarcity,
two intelligent talkers seldom meet.
heeheeheeheeheeheehee
Get Real
August 14th, 2012
11:27 pm
Kammie Poo…don’t get your precious pink panties is a wad….it’ll be OK; just hold your gerbil close tonight
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:30 pm
Kamchak, you should have learned by now to stop drinking after a certain time of day.
That line was posted so that someone intelligent (obviously not you) could understand the basis for my beliefs, a setting of the stage. You can choose to acknowledge that or not.
But I wrote that entire post to have an intelligent discussion, so you are obviously excluded from consideration.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 14th, 2012
11:31 pm
Cool beans!
IP spoofer boy is here!
Keep using that IP spoofer, sport.
The more data you give the AJC IT dept., the closer your demise.
Tick…tick…tick….
Just sayin’.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:32 pm
“An intelligent conversation is a dialogue, not a monologue.”
And you are free to comment on any of the specifics of my post, Trashman, but one-liners do not constitute intelligent conversation.
The table has been set. You can barf all over it, or you can sit down and eat.
Your choice.
I’m pretty certain which path you’ll choose.
Get Real
August 14th, 2012
11:34 pm
Kammie Poo…….you are still stressing, remember hold that gerbil…..is his name sport.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 14th, 2012
11:37 pm
That line was posted so that someone intelligent (obviously not you) could understand the basis for my beliefs…
The line you posted contained an imperative.
Anyone with intelligence would quit reading at that point and laugh derisively at the puerile linguistics you employ that may work on talk-radio, but will not work with those that don’t recognize your authority.
You’re not all that.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:38 pm
I’m off for the evening. Looking forward to anything of substance responding to my post when I return.
But I’m not hopeful.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
11:39 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:32 pm
_______________________________________________________
Although there exist A REASON for INTELLIGENT conversation,
YOU are a person who cannot meet a cripple without talking about feet.
GOOD NIGHT DON’T LET YOUR BED BUGS BITE.
heeheeheeheeheheeheehee
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
12:22 am
kamchak- You were never granted the authority to define what it is that me or anyone else “have to” do.
Understood. If there is something that involves intelligence you want nothing to do with it.
Vote obama: you were dumb enough to fall for it last time!
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
2:08 am
Mr. Wingfeld & I should probably put an ad on Craiglists for copies of Dreams from My Father in order that we can read it. I couldn’t live with myself if I paid one nickel of my hard-earned money to a bookseller who would then pay Obama himself.
Kyle,
Reading your movie review, I get the sensation that you don’t like the movie at all, and that even in reviewing it, you have the sensation that ants are crawling up and down your legs as you type. You don’t seem to be liking your job right now.
I have no idea how you think that quoting someone’s autobiography-for-politics could be taken out of context at all–especially in a race such as this where Obama’s pack is associating a woman’s death seven years after her husband left a Bain capital company with Mitt Romney. But that’s your logic, I suppose.
Obama writes about himself in Dreams so that people will appreciate him politically for his own benefit. The purpose of the book is self-serving, and I can’t imagine how you feel like you have to put that disclaimer in the book. There are very many discreditations of Dreams, some of which have come out recently, and there are also many clues in the autobiography that I have heard quoted that make Obama’s past somewhat alarming. Indeed, as you say, those critics from the last 4 or 5 years certainly would have given their critics (and friends of Mr. Obama) something to write about too. But we just haven’t heard it.
The media coverage of Obama has clearly shown that the current President has entirely bewitched them, including many liberal columnists, like your cube-mate, Jay Bookman. The autobiography has NOT been talked about much at all, except in very vague terms by the media, and by the campaign only in the general Obama-comes-from-humble-background nonsense that you hear from all politicians.
Whether or not the book is true at all, it is pure propaganda, written so that when shoppers go to Barnes and Noble, they will see a free campaign ad for their President on tables inside, and then thinking him a good, thoughtful, intellectual and caring person.
You certainly wouldn’t be out of line either finding Obama either an extreme leftist or nutty simply quoting passages that Obama himself recorded, especially since the book was designed PRIMARILY to prevent that perception.
Joel Edge
August 15th, 2012
6:53 am
Thanks, Kyle. I’ll have to go see it.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 15th, 2012
7:22 am
Kamchak, no one granted you authority to decide who needed authority to decide what bloggers here must and must not do. Mind your own business.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
8:12 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 15th, 2012
7:22 am
Kamchak, no one granted you authority to decide who needed authority to decide what bloggers here must and must not do. Mind your own business.
______________________________________________________
I bet you were up all night trying to come up that one.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
8:13 am
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
8:12 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 15th, 2012
7:22 am
Kamchak, no one granted you authority to decide who needed authority to decide what bloggers here must and must not do. Mind your own business.
______________________________________________________
CORRECTION
I bet you were up all night trying to come up WITH that one.
Progressive Humanist
August 15th, 2012
8:14 am
Yawn… It’s a stretch to call D’Souza a college president. “The King’s College” is essentially a Christian Madrasah that has about 200 students total. In other words, it’s a religious nutcase school that has fewer students than most elementary schools (and less qualified teachers).
And if D’Souze was interviewing sociologists to find out what makes Obama tick, someone might want to tell him that sociologists have no expertise in individual’s thought processes.
So what we have is hyperbole and baseless speculation on the part of a fake academic who is qualified to be nothing more than a right wing rumor monger. Kyle’s really scraping the bottom of the barrel to beef up his page views.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
8:51 am
This D’Souza guy sounds like he should work at that esteemed Republican brain trust of anti-science studies, the Heartland Institute.
LOL…
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
8:54 am
I really, really need a right wing wacko born in another country to tell me what’s American. Really. How else could I possibly know?
iggy
August 15th, 2012
8:58 am
“Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism.”
Or it could just be fact. Dont confuse facts with idiotic, emotional and politically correct garbage.
ktbl
August 15th, 2012
8:59 am
We are our own worse enemy when it comes to being positive about changes we need to make. We all know it is a game of (money) to get elected in the highest office of these United States, here in America. It is true that President Obama is not perfect, never will be; George Bush (son) of George H.W. Bush was not even close to doing what we now have as law. He flew over New Orleans, LA with Airforce One looking out of the window with thousands of human being suffering and it was a mix of all races of all walk’s of life. He infact did his own thing and no Congressman or Representative challenge him; but with President Obama, they all shun him at every turn. I have been very sicken at the state of our country for a very long time; gas prices become a tool used against us to make oil companies rich, nothing is done about that, now, it so many families struggling to live; prices for anything is sky high, but the end game is it don’t take that much to live here in America, it is the greed that push prices where they are and people sit on their money even if this economy is showing a little improvments. I learned a lot from people in general. Why pay 40 50 thousand for a car when you use a bank to purchase it over the next 5 years and you paying all that interest so the bank can keep you oweing them; then, we pay a lot of money for a house, knowing that house will not have any values even if it is in an upscale community; we are rather stupid to think material things are making us better than anyone else around us. Jobs are what look’s good but employers want you to work longer for less and I think about the commute and gas and how we struggle to get to work. In the end, it is nohting new….this election is merely about money and how those who are trying to change things that are already in place. You will get your wish in 2016 if you are around. I have always said, we the people can make a different how we live here in America. Those whom we elect have not did anything while they are in office to better our living, don’t elect the same ones back in, a need for a new group of congressmen and representatives to take the helm and steer us where we need to go if we are to make some improvements here in our community and these United States of America. The above opinions are well preceived; but the bottom line is, all races and people here in America are suffering at the hands of the greed and the greedy!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:04 am
ktbl, two words:
Paragraph breaks.
Oh, and Oh Holy Crap!
independent thinker
August 15th, 2012
9:09 am
KYLE’S latest anti- Obama rant-”"”"”"”"”"”"”"The movie’s about our president’s past and what that means for our future, and I’ll focus on that.D’Souza dispenses early on with any notions of birtherism, noting briefly, but pointedly, that Obama was born in Hawaii. Instead, he makes the far more interesting argument that what’s foreign is Obama’s ideology, shaped in absentia by a father he barely knew”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
There is not one scintilla of proof anywhaere that Obama formed any political beliefs as a result of a few brief meetings with his absentee father. This is pure rubbish.
Instead Kyle and his boy Willard and the GOP will have to deal with their latest flip flopper extraordinaire and his total reversal of his devotion to Ayn Rand, an avowed atheist and
champion of unbridled capitalism with no government involvement of any sort. Now that Ryan is Willard’s wonder boy his devotion to Rand in numerous speeches as recently as 2009 is flipped and flopped to “I changed my views on her later in life”
And then we get wonder boy’s triple backwards summersault off the diving board on Medicare. No problem voting for over a trillion dollars of unfunded Medicare drug subsidy to get George W elected but when he is a Tea Party darling Ryan wants to slash and cut Medicare and privatize it. Now that the Karl Rove PR machine is spinning about Obamacare’s attempt to cost contain 716 million dollars of unnecessary Medicare costs without reducing benefits and to fund that Medicare drug give away the GOP rammed through,Ryan is grandma’s savior protecting Medicare from that big bad Black wolf with fangs hiding in that Obama care disguise.(a Communist trying to cut government spending on the masses??)
I can’t wait for the movie of this team’s gymnastics with Karl Rove as the coach
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
9:14 am
ktbi, a different, and hopefully useful, observation about your 8:59.
Excellent points.
Money is no longer the religion in America.
Greed has replaced even it. Or as the Dallas Fed Chairman called that little meltdown in 2008, “…a sustained orgy of excess and reckless behavior…
We have met the enemy and he is us…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:17 am
“but when he is a Tea Party darling Ryan wants to slash and cut Medicare and privatize it.”
For someone who goes by the name “independent thinker”, your post shows you are neither.
Ryan’s Medicare plan keeps Medicare the same for everybody 55 years old or above. No changes whatsoever.
If you’re younger than 55, you’ll get a choice when you reach Medicare age: Take Medicare as it is today, or get a voucher from the government to spend on private health insurance. This does two things: Keeps Medicare for those who wish to have it while keeping the program intact, and offering better choices to those who wish them, especially since many doctors are not accepting new Medicare patients.
Bottom-line, your above statement is completely and totally false, but typical of what we expect from Obama supporters in this campaign
Jack
August 15th, 2012
9:20 am
All libs need to remember is that Obama attended a church for 20 years whose pastor claimed our government invented the AIDS virus as a tool of black genocide while cozying up to James Cone.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:21 am
Last week, Trump said, “I was asked to speak at the RNC but said no,” which is Trump Code for “I begged them to let me speak and someone thought that was probably a bad idea,” but to allow him to save face he claimed that he “will be doing something much bigger–just watch!”
salon.com
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:22 am
Obama attended a church for 20 years
Where the preacher did the exact same sermon every Sunday for 20 years – or 1,040 sermons?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:25 am
Tiberius says:
Take Medicare as it is today, or get a voucher from the government to spend on private health insurance.
lessee, do I want this voucher system that is pegged to the rate of inflation (which grows much slower than the rate of medical cost increases) or the Medicare system as it is today?
Lesseeee….hmmmmm..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:27 am
To ktbl and AmVet:
That car you’re driving (and I’m assuming neither of you rely completely on public transportation) was designed and manufactured by people motivated by greed.
That computer you’re using to spout nonsense was designed by people motivated by greed.
That double mocha-choco latte you drink each morning was bought from a place started by someone motivated by greed.
That cell phone you use? Greed developed it.
In short, just about every advancement known to mankind (save perhaps SOME medicines) was brought about by the desire by someone to be insanely rich.
The reason why we’re the last remaining superpower is because the other forms of government and economic theory you still worship all failed.
Deal with it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:29 am
I outsource the critique of Ryan’s budget proposals to the recipient of the 2008 Nobel Prize in economics:
Ryan hasn’t “crunched the numbers”; he has just scribbled some stuff down, without checking at all to see if it makes sense. He asserts that he can cut taxes without net loss of revenue by closing unspecified loopholes; he asserts that he can cut discretionary spending to levels not seen since Calvin Coolidge, without saying how; he asserts that he can convert Medicare to a voucher system, with much lower spending than now projected, without even a hint of how this is supposed to work. This is just a fantasy, not a serious policy proposal.
salon.com
mwuahahahahahahahaha
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:29 am
“lessee, do I want this voucher system that is pegged to the rate of inflation (which grows much slower than the rate of medical cost increases) or the Medicare system as it is today?”
Thanks for agreeing that Ryan isn’t going to change Medicare for people who want to go onto Medicare, Finn.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:32 am
Oh, and btw, I’d take the voucher each and every day, and twice on Sundays, Finn.
fair and balanced
August 15th, 2012
9:33 am
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”Stumping in Florida yesterday, Mitt Romney charged President Obama’s Affordable Care Act will “cut more than $700 billion” out of Medicare.What Romney didn’t say was that his running mate’s budget — approved by House Republicans and by Romney himself — would cut Medicare by the same amount.The big difference, though, is the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
The Romney-Ryan plan, by contrast, achieves its savings by turning Medicare into a voucher whose value doesn’t keep up with expected increases in healthcare costs — thereby shifting the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries, who will have to pay an average of $6,500 a year more for their Medicare insurance, according to an analysis of the Republican plan by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
Robert Reich in Salon 8/14/12
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:35 am
“I outsource the critique of Ryan’s budget proposals to the recipient of the 2008 Nobel Prize in economics:”
Well, given that the Nobel Prize has been rendered meaningless since 2008, I’m not buying any unspecified criticism of Ryan’s plan by any recipient.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:36 am
Robert Reich can’t read.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:39 am
I’d take the voucher each and every day, and twice on Sundays, Finn
Sorry, but you will never get that chance cause it is never going to happen.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:40 am
The day that the Heartland Institute gets caught passing fake data around in their official communications will be a great day for the Bozos on the left; they will actually have an ally in their make believe world of pseudo science.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:40 am
It’s Tib who can’t read:
the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:41 am
“The big difference, though, is the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.”
Yeah, Reich. Who’s going to PROVIDE services to Medicare patients if they aren’t getting paid for them?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:42 am
There are no scientists on Earth that would consider a million square acres of solar panels an advancement in technology. A blooming idiot on the other hand…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:43 am
Libs don’t understand the concept of “cause and effect”.
Robert
August 15th, 2012
9:51 am
Yes, it is true. Mr. Romney conceded defeat when he selected Ryan as his running mate and gave the GOP away out of this nightmare they created. The GOP can use this opportunity to get rid of all the right wing extremist who have held he GOP hostage for the last 4 years. The GOP knew the backlash this selection would cause throughout Congress and how it would affect newly elected Right Wing Republicans who have voted in unity and supported Ryan’s extreme budget proposals. Know these newly elected Right Wing Republicans are scrambling to distance themselfs from Ryan out of fear of not being elected. The good news – the GOP can know recruit moderate GOP candidates and create a strategy to win the White House in 2016.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:54 am
Yeah, Reich. Who’s going to PROVIDE services to Medicare patients if they aren’t getting paid for them?
The providers agreed to the terms of the deal, Tiberius! How do you think it got through Congress? What the providers get in return is an expanded base of consumers. They AGREED to this.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:57 am
Robert- Or we could run all the squishes out and have a giant Tea Party. Either way, I’m gonna wait until I have the football before I dance in the end zone, I’d rather not look like a fool.
Perhaps you should too.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:58 am
Anybody else notice that Romney’s Etch-a-Sketch seems to be drawing up a hard core Conservative?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
10:04 am
“How do you think it got through Congress?”
Through a Democrat majority in the House, and reconciliation in the Senate. With one, lone GOP congressman whose vote didn’t mean a thing to the ultimate result.
This had NOTHING to do with providers or health care, Finn, and everything to do with legacy.
Locknload
August 15th, 2012
10:04 am
Obama’s father was a notorious drunk driver and eventually slammed his car into a tree after a night of heavy drinking… who was his father “Ted Kennedy”?
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
10:05 am
“I’d rather not look like a fool. ”
Great to know that you are changing your ways. You have been a regular at it for sometime now.
Congratulations. Pat yourself on the back
Good day.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
10:05 am
“This is the first time I am seeing Romney’s numbers this high among 18-29 year olds,” said Zogby. “This could be trouble for Obama who needs every young voter he can get.”
It looks like we’re starting to overcome the eduganda.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
10:05 am
Don’t you just love it when hard-core liberals like Robert come up with all these ideas that will insure the GOP will win elections in future years?
As if they actually care about the GOP?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
10:18 am
Finn, speaking of Calvin Coolidge, I wonder what he would think of our debt and deficit. He was the last President who finished his term with a smaller Federal budget than he started with. The man was really thrifty, unlike Obama’s deceptively thrifty, and we need someone like him again
nelson
August 15th, 2012
10:20 am
What about Joe Biden’s quote,”Romney wants to put “youall” back in chains” apparently refering to bank deregulation. Is that all only a naieve metaphor not meant to inflame the black community? Is there any level that Joe will not stoop to, to pander for votes from minority, ethnic groups?
Romney would not use that kind of insinuation, having a plan to put the populace on track for a new prosperity, derived from work and fiscal restraint. Issue, issue and more issues, Romney has a plan and it is a good deal more than pandering to minorities.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:21 am
I wonder what he would think of our debt and deficit
“Deficits don’t matter” ~ Dick Cheney
Robert
August 15th, 2012
10:25 am
@Rafe Hollister – Kalvin Klan Koolidge (KKK) was the name people called him. End of story.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
10:32 am
As most intelligent people know, Cheney was talking about reasonable deficits that made up a small percentage of the GDP, not the alarming bloated deficits forced on us by Obama and his minions in the Senate, who refuse to discuss a budget.
Biden was wrong about the chains, they already are in place on many Americans, they are chained to the Federal teat, by the Dems.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
10:32 am
“Deficits don’t matter”
In electoral politics in the 1980’s, Finn.
The world has changed in the past 30 years. Embrace reality.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:32 am
Republican strategists privately worry the plan will be a major liability.
Obama’s cuts add eight years on the life of Medicare, according to the Congressional Budget Office, largely by reducing reimbursement rates to hospitals, prescription drugs under Medicaid and private insurance plans in Medicare Advantage. The AARP, as well as hospital and drug industries, endorsed the Affordable Care Act despite the cuts.
The cuts to Medicare Advantage plans have resulted in higher enrollment and lower average premiums in 2011 and 2012, according to official figures. Reforms closing the “doughnut hole,” which were partly funded by the cuts, have also saved seniors money on prescription drugs.
In addition, the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion offers seniors greater access to long-term care and other services that Medicare does not provide.
talking points memo
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
10:33 am
Romney could never say that about Americans being chained to the gov teat, for fear of being called a racist. Biden can disparage anyone he likes, apparently.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
10:33 am
Wel, not much new here. About trashed out. But…
How did the ALL the medical advisors agree to the new terms provided for Medicare? That must have taken a lot of questioning.
Could we have a new rule saying no more than three words in an ID and anybody changing theirs has to wait a week before posting? Always nice to have new rules on the playground to keep the bullies in place.
Can we have a new subject? How about a nice poem like Sir Water Scott’s “My Native Land”? You know. “Breathes there the man with soul so dead, who never to himself has said, “This is my own, my native land!”
Always current. Always patriotic!! A change of pace!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:36 am
not the alarming bloated deficits forced on us by Obama
Ok, I’ll bite. Let’s look at what the deficit hawk, Paul Ryan, voted for:
Two Unfunded Wars
Bush’s original tax cuts
TARP
All three walloped the Deficit. But, of course Cons can’t see that. Keep those blinders on.
Deficits are only bad for Cons when they aren’t the ones in charge.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
10:36 am
Finn hasn’t got an original thought in his head. He relies on everybody else to provide him his opinions.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
10:39 am
Robert
So, you are saying that spending only what you make, living debt free, makes you a racist? Guess I be one, with that weird definition.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
10:39 am
So now after years of claiming that TARP was a great program and idea, Finn now considers it bad because Ryan voted for it.
Too funny!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
10:41 am
Off for a while.
Just keep setting them up, Finn. I’ll knock ‘em all down later.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:43 am
All from examiner.com:
Let’s look at some of the budget busting, deficit spending things Paul Ryan supported under Bush.
Ryan supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without paying for them. Ryan supported adding the cost of these wars to the national debt borrowing from China to fund them.
Paul Ryan supported the Bush Medicare Drug bill without paying for it. Instead, the enormous cost was just added to the deficit Again, we borrowed from China to pay for it.
Paul Ryan supported the Bush Highway bill (which included the famous bridge to no where)
Paul Ryan supported the Bush tax cuts, the largest in history, without any off setting spending cuts. We just borrow the money from China to pay for them—and we still are.
Paul Ryan supported TARP, the bailout of Wall Street Banks, enacted under Bush before Obama was inaugurated. (When Obama took office, however, he voted against the second phase of TARP. Apparently, it matters who proposed it.)
Paul Ryan supported the auto industry bailout, to his credit, while Romney was advocating Detroit going bankrupt. However, he blames Obama for the deficits as though Congress did not approve it.
Now Ryan spends his time blaming Obama for the huge debt the spending he voted for and ran up.
iggy
August 15th, 2012
10:45 am
“This is the first time I am seeing Romney’s numbers this high among 18-29 year olds,” said Zogby. “This could be trouble for Obama who needs every young voter he can get.”
Little by little, inch by inch. All the college grads who have low paying or no jobs will not be voting for ObaManure this go round.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:46 am
Tib, you are reading into what I wrote stuff that isn’t there. I didn’t say whether I thought TARP was good or bad. My comment was to put show that Ryan is really no deficit hawk.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:47 am
All the college grads who have low paying or no jobs will not be voting for ObaManure this go round.
We will see. mwuahahahahahaha
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
10:48 am
UH Oh …Finn doesn’t think Obama has raised our national debt. Wow! Does Finn live underground somewhere? He must.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
10:49 am
Finn, let us look at the other side of the deficit problem.
Obama expanded Medicare part D
Obama expanded the “right war” in Afghanistan
He promoted a trillion dollar porkulus bill
He promoted Obamacare, which adds greatly to the deficit
He is actively promoting expanding the food stamp program
He gave us the wonderful Cash for Clunkers program
He extended those evil Tax cuts now known as the Obama Tax Cuts
He bailed out the auto companies leaving the taxpayers on the spot for 25B
He is eliminating the need to work to receive welfare, costing taxpayers
What deficit busting things will he come up with if given four more years?
wallbanger
August 15th, 2012
10:50 am
I have seen the movie, and it appears scholarly and well documented. I would not expect liberals, who prefer to keep the blinders on, to go see something that might interfere with their beliefs. Liberals are not the most open minded, educated crowd after all.
independent thinker
August 15th, 2012
10:51 am
Finn McCool- Quit trying to reason with that wingnut- Kyle keeps him on this blog to help spew right wing garbage and nonsense regardless of the facts.
DawgDad
August 15th, 2012
10:53 am
“allowed Obama to keep his dealings with Marxists mostly out of the public eye on his way to the White House”
Kyle, this is absurd. Only a completely isoloted or disinterested sheep isn’t aware of Obama’s Marxist/socialist ties and leanings. These are fully on display in his book, in his campaign speeches, and in his public policy.
The REAL [and very sad] issue is how many voters share his beliefs, or fail to run away from him and them.
fair and balanced
August 15th, 2012
10:54 am
Rafe- have you also figured in that Obama did as promised and ended that ridiculous twenty year war with Iraq the Neocons forced on us which cost over a trillion dollars with no source of funding?
SBinF
August 15th, 2012
10:54 am
Do you draw a salary for writing this stuff Kyle? I used to have a little respect for your “opinion.” But you’ve become so unhinged lately, it’s hard to make it through your posts….
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
10:55 am
Well, I see President Obama is giving permission to illegal young people to stay here, work, and get social security cards with some requirements of course.
How in the world can the president decide not to obey established laws of the land at his convenience, not to mention just before a big election? This sounds more like a monarchy than a democratic republic.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:55 am
No, Dusty, I never said Obama didn’t cause the deficit or debt to rise. I was showing how Ryan isn’t the deficit Hawk you folks have been tricked into believing.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
10:57 am
He is eliminating the need to work to receive welfare, costing taxpayers
LIE!
Karl Rove
August 15th, 2012
10:58 am
Yeah that congenital Communist in the White House has the nerve to cut the fat out of Medicare and throw the elderly over the cliff. I thought communists expand public largesse? Must have spent some time reading Ayn Rand or some other garbage he picked up at Harvard. At least our people want to expand Medicare and public benefits -don’t they?
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:00 am
SBinF 10:54
Did you receive an engraved invitation to come to this blog? I don’t think so. PLease leave early so you won’t have so much trouble reading the subject here. Thank you.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
11:01 am
Dusty @10:55 am : “How in the world can the president decide not to obey established laws of the land at his convenience, not to mention just before a big election?”
There is an easy answer to your question, Dusty. The President has not decided not to obey the established laws of the land.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
11:01 am
Regarding welfare recipients:
the Department of Health and Human Services was granting flexibility to states because it wanted to improve employment outcomes and H.H.S. promised to terminate the waiver if states didn’t meet the targets.
It is no wonder, then, that PolitiFact said of Romney’s ad: The ad’s claim is not accurate, and it inflames old resentments about able-bodied adults sitting around collecting public assistance. Pants on Fire! “Pants on Fire” is PolitiFact’s worst rating.
nytimes.com
Rockman
August 15th, 2012
11:04 am
The Glory of Socialism has wrecked this country every time we get Stable. The Dems take over with the Liberal media. Enjoy the stability the Reps. put in place. It takes about 12-18 mo’s for their CHANGE to take place and run the country back into the Hole. It does not happen in a Mo but many mo’s.
The problem now is over regulation, taxes. I loved making money but stopped. Why? I did not need it and the Almighty Government made it NOT worth my time. I it was NOT fun anymore. The people who worked for me. Got what they Voted for. Housing bubble led to major fall of the economy. Who caused it. 100% Government. Barney Frank the sweetie and Chris. Dodd.
“Every American deserves a home” Give them one and they will work to keep it. BS Give them anything and they will expect the same and more in the future. History has proved this. The Banks made the Loans true. Made Money true. But were told to do it. Make the Loans or the Government would put them out of Business. The buyers Foreclosed on, No payments for years, and still living i the Houses by the millions. What a Country. Why work? join the slugs do nothing
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
11:04 am
SBinF
. Feel free to ask Kyle the questions you want to ask. He may or may not answer them, however ask away.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
11:05 am
Dusty @ 10:48 am
Dusty,
Why don’t you respond specifically to the points made by Finn @10:43?
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:06 am
Finn,
Nobody has been tricked about Ryan as you put it. We have his budget and his plans in writing.
But speaking of being tricked, you really believe that Obama’s disasterous term raising the debt like Topsy is not worth mentioning? You never do. But then again, that’s not your job. You follow the whack-a-doodle manual for smearing Romney and now Ryan. Now that’s a one sided shame.!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
11:08 am
Uh oh! It’s getting legs!!!!
Over the weekend, the Richmonder blog broke what looked like a whopper of a story: that Republican vice-presidential hopeful Paul Ryan had lined his pockets from information he had obtained from a now-legendary meeting that took place on September 18, 2008. On that day, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and then-Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson broke the news to congressional leaders that they would have to approve a bailout to avert a complete meltdown of the financial system. Checking through Ryan’s financial disclosure reports, the Richmonder discovered that Ryan had sold the stocks of several major banks that day, while purchasing – surprise! – stock in Paulson’s old firm Goldman Sachs. The story quickly circulated through the media.
salon.com
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
11:08 am
Dusty
How is Obama spending money without Congress approval?
SBinF
August 15th, 2012
11:10 am
“Did you receive an engraved invitation to come to this blog? I don’t think so. PLease leave early so you won’t have so much trouble reading the subject here. Thank you.”
Uhh, what?
Part of being a critical thinker is encountering opinions other than your own. Stop with your ignorance, please. Kyle’s blog is a microcosm of the GOP generally. They are becoming unhinged.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
11:10 am
Finn
That story is going nowhere. Folks in both parties are guilty of utilizing inside information for financial game.
It is a shame, but it was not illegal when he did it
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:10 am
Dear MarkV,
Why don’t you respond to Finn for me? I don’t usually respond to paid commentors but I did today.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
11:11 am
“Part of being a critical thinker is encountering opinions other than your own”
Know your audience. Outside of talking points, generalities and sheepish appeals to Kyle, there isn’t much there
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
11:13 am
But speaking of being tricked, you really believe that Obama’s disasterous term raising the debt
I wasn’t tricked – in fact I lean toward Krugman in that when the economy is tanking the government should spend MORE money and go further in debt. The time to slash public debt is when the economy is humming, not when it’s sunk.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:13 am
OH MarkV
You did not explain how the president can change immigration law any time he feels like it. You must give adequate explanations. You always ask for one from others.
Kyle Wingfield
August 15th, 2012
11:15 am
Finn: “Getting legs”? Yglesias retracted that story.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:15 am
Yes, Finn, add more to the debt to help the economy.
You follow that for your finances but please don’t load it on the country. It won’t work.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
11:16 am
Dusty @11:13 am
OH Dusty,
You are just not getting the point, are you? The President has not changed the immigration law. If you disagree, quote the law and show where it has been changed.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
11:17 am
I don’t harp on Ryan’s votes FOR massive spending increases. I harp on them cause he is being portrayed as a deficit hawk when in reality he is the exact opposite – it all depends on which side of the aisle proposes the spending.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
11:19 am
Kyle, duly noted. Thanks
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
11:19 am
Kyle
When you have time can you speak on veteran’s benefits?
I do not think either Party has much to brag about when it comes to veterans benefits. They earned those, they are not entitlements imo.
What does Ryan’s budget project for these benefits?
What is Romney’s plan?
What is Obama’s plan?
Sadly I doubt any of them are sufficient to care for the long term impacts certain individuals suffer from being at war. And of course the injuries and care that are not war related but covered under veterans benefits.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
11:19 am
And Dusty,
The national debt increased during Bush’s eight years of presidency by 89 %, and during Obama’s four years of presidency by 41.4%.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:25 am
Finn,
Get angry with your info sources. They passed bad information to you. Better watch it. Someone might guess you are a liberal compensated for your constant attendance here.
RW-(the original)
August 15th, 2012
11:29 am
Could we have a new rule saying no more than three words in an ID and anybody changing theirs has to wait a week before posting? Always nice to have new rules on the playground to keep the bullies in place.
Dusty,
I don’t know if the individual blogs will be able to opt out, but the AJC is getting ready to go to a registration system for commenting. There should be new rules aplenty in the near future.
Jefferson
August 15th, 2012
11:31 am
These young kids must sleep til dinner time.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:32 am
MarkV
Read today AJC homepage where they discuss the president’s new invitation to illegal immigrants to stay in this country. Why do I have to explain to you that illegal immigants are ILLEGAL? That the president’s policy is making them LEGAL while still claiming they are ILLEGAL?
Who can explain that? And how can the president decide to change immigation laws because it is “nice”? You should do some explaining instead of asking me to do it. I don’t understand “breaking the law” even by the president.
iggy
August 15th, 2012
11:35 am
“Uh oh! It’s getting legs!!!!”
I think that is old news, no news or at best, insignificant.
@@
August 15th, 2012
11:36 am
fair and balanced:
The withdrawal date was already set by Bush under the SOFA agreement.
Unbeknownst to many, Obama was trying to negotiate a longer stay…behind the backs…er…scenes.
schnirt
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:37 am
RW (the original)
You always come with sensible news. If I’m not dabbling, are you helping the AJC get all this straight? If so, I’m sure it will be a better system.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
11:40 am
Dusty, the President is ignoring the law, which he swore to protect and defend, rather than changing it. This is what the wordsmith is hanging his hat, so loosely on. I know you are aware of Mark’s insistence on specificity.
@@
August 15th, 2012
11:41 am
Dusty:
I’m not a big fan of rules but yours are two that make sense.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
11:44 am
@@ @11:36
Thanks, I started to reply to him, but what you said has been reported so many times in so many places and yet the Libs love to throw that out.
I guess the man has accomplished so little, they have to stretch the truth somewhat to find something to crow about.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
11:50 am
Unbeknownst to many, Obama was trying to negotiate a longer stay
And in other unicorn news and general stuff I pulled from my….
RW-(the original)
August 15th, 2012
11:50 am
Dusty,
I’m not involved at all unless someone points out that I’ve suggested that as a remedy for some of their biggest headaches for many years now. I only noticed the change when they had a sneak preview of the new web design up last night.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:50 am
MarkV,
Your memory is short. Remember 9/11? Remember part of NYC demolished? Thousands dead? Remember how Bush added everything he could to protect us and it cost. The military was increased as were all security and investigative agencies. America stayed safe at home.
I”m sure you will bring up Iraq forgeting that the CIA and British Intel both gave the same warnings about Iraq and The Congress , The President and UK’s Prime Minister all believed it was correct and approved it..
Bush made a great effort to improve the economy but he had to deal with a Congress led by Democrats. I believe that TARP set up by Bush has been repaid.
Obama has followed in Bush’s footsteps in the MIddle East but he has wrecked the economy at home. His increase in the national debt or deficit is far greater than anything Bush did.
Anyway, Mark V, I know you believe none of this but I give it to you every time you misrepresent Bush.
iggy
August 15th, 2012
11:52 am
“I wasn’t tricked – in fact I lean toward Krugman in that when the economy is tanking the government should spend MORE money and go further in debt.”
LOL. Well, there it is.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
11:58 am
Rafe, 11:40
I guess there is a big difference in ” changing” and “ignoring”. Both seem illegal to me.
“Ignoring” comes from the word “ignorance” but ignorance is NOT bliss. It is appalling in a president.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
11:59 am
Dusty @ 11:32 am
Dusty,
Your problem is that all you do is to regurgitate what people like Kyle and the right wing media and Republicans feed you, without doing any thinking about it. The immigration law is a federal law, passed by the Congress and signed by a President. Neither President nor Congress can change any of it without another action by both. Obama has not changed the law in any way. Had he done so, you would have heard already of lawsuits going to the Supreme Court, cries for impeachment, etc.
The immigration law does not specify exactly what is to be done with eveyr person who is in the country illegally. There is a procedure, and the outcome depends to a large degree on what is called “prosecutorial decision.” What Obama did was to issue a directive about how to deal with certain segment of those people, who are here illegally, in these decisions. That is not a change of the immigration law, and is fully within the executive power of the President.
antinewt
August 15th, 2012
12:00 pm
Romney:”"These personal attacks, I think, are just demeaning to the office of the White House,” he added.”
No sh!t! The 24/7 attacks on Obama by the right-wing since his first day in office are truely demeaning to the office and the office holder. One of the most un-patriotic things I have ever witnessed.
@@
August 15th, 2012
12:03 pm
Finn:
Actually, I pulled it from The National Journal. Salon’s Glenn Greenwald also reported on it.
@@
August 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
Here’s where I get to say something in support of Obama.
On the war front, he has no problem with collateral damage.
Unfortunately, on the domestic front, his killer instinct has spilled over into the economy.
His softer side shows thru when it comes to the deficit. He’s happy to let that one live on and multiply.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
12:14 pm
“I used to have a little respect for your “opinion.” But you’ve become so unhinged lately, it’s hard to make it through your posts….”
And yet, you’re still here . . .
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
12:19 pm
Well, thank you, MarkV for telling me what I “regurgitate”. All the time I have been blaming it on BurgerKIng but now you set me straight. OH yes!!
Your usual diplomatic charm must have been developed in criminal defense cases. You have an explanation for everything that Obama has done wrong.
Nobody had to tell me we have approved immigration laws. You can twist ‘em like a pretzel but the whole point was to keep illegal citizens from staying in the USA. Do you agree with that premise? Of course not.
You continue to say the president can do anything he wants. Not so. As I said before, we do not have a monarchy. There are no kings in Washington even when there is a Democratic administration.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
12:25 pm
Dusty @11:50 am
Dusty,
Your memory is even shorter. Not only you have ignored my suggestion that you respond to all those votes by Ryan that increased the budget deficit. Even more importantly, you are ignoring that when Obama started his presidency the economy wsa sin free fall. It required a massive government spending to stop that. It required massive spending under the existing laws in support of the people who has suffered by the recession, such as unemployment benefit. More money was appropriately spent to support education, research and new energy. And all that increased the national debt by half the percentage in four years as under Bush in eight years, in other words, about at the same rate.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
12:25 pm
RW(The orginal) 11:50
Keep us posted in case we miss something. LIke @@, I really don’t like too many rules but things seem to be out of control at times. I hope it gets better.
azazel
August 15th, 2012
12:27 pm
iam preplexed about how anti colonialism is un american, read jefferson’s letter to king george III
@@
August 15th, 2012
12:30 pm
H-e-e-e-ey!
Kyle, duly noted. Thanks
Where’s my “Thanks” and “duly noted” on Obama’s negotiations to remain in Iraq?
Spread the humility, Finn.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
12:33 pm
Dusty @12:19 pm
As usual, Dusty, you avoid any substance of what is being discussed. Even to the point of actually lying. “You continue to say the president can do anything he wants.” I call that a lie. Show me where I wrote that. In fact, I specifically mentioned what the president CANNOT do.
You have charged that President changed the immigration law. A law is a specific document, stating pecific. I claimed that Obama did not do what you charged he did. The burden of proof is on the one who makes the accusation. Therefore I asked you to quote from the law and show where Obama has changed it. So put up.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
MarkV likes to use lies and statistics (the same thing, btw) to make false points.
When the country’s total debt is LOWER (as it was during the Bush years), increasing your PERCENTAGE of debt by $5 trillion in 8 years looks a lot worse when you increase your debt by that same dollar amount in just 4 years.
When you use PERCENTAGE of debt as your false pretense.
MarkV specializes in Washington D.C.-speak. Looks good to the uninformed, but crumbles under the first bit of pressure put upon it.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
“stating pecific” should have been “stating specific things.” Sorry.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
12:39 pm
Not disputed: The national debt increased during Bush’s eight years of presidency by 89 %, and during Obama’s four years of presidency by 41.4%. End of story.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
12:40 pm
azezel
The difference is that Tom Jefferson did not hate the British people, he hated being a subject of their government and having no representation there to try and change things. Obama’s father apparently hated the British people and the west in general.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
12:42 pm
MarkV lies then doubles down on the lie by playing fast and loose with statistics.
Go peddle that junk to the rest of the uninformed. It won’t fly here.
Dusty
August 15th, 2012
12:45 pm
MarkV
We simply have different concepts on how to help an ailing economy. I do not believe in extensive spending by the government at any time, good or bad. It violates all principles of economy as far as I am concerned.
Our country was founded on the principle that we should be independent, not on a dominant ruling government. We wanted representation and freedom with it. We did not want to be supported by government alone. That precludes independence.
Our country had help for people in real need before Obama came to power. He has more than doubled that help including people with an income that is livable if not expansive. He has increased a class of people who depend solely on government for their support. He did not do all of it but he has certainly increased the number of dependents in many ways.
That is all very humane. But in the long run, government cannot afford to support a preponderate portion of the population. The dire results of trying that are being demonstarted daily in Greece, Spain, Ireland , not to mention the many broken countries in Africa.
So you will have to go your way and I will go mine. “To bankrupt or not to bankrupt, that is the question!”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
12:45 pm
Tiberius, your 12:34 belies your lack of education.
Company A earns net revenue or $500 million in 2012 vs net revenue of $400 million in 2011.
Company B makes $5 million in 2012 vs net revenue of $1 million in 2011.
According to you, Company A did better in 2012 because it made more money in total.
Most of us understand that company B (with a 400% increase in net revenue) performed MUCH better than Company A (with it’s 25% net revenue increase.)
You go buy that stock in Company A….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
12:46 pm
lies and statistics (the same thing, btw)
And we let these people vote?
Terri C
August 15th, 2012
12:48 pm
I am amazed on the list of things the current administration has done for America. The problem is the government has no business supporting these projects with tax payor dollars. A rail service in New York. What the heck does that have to do with Georgia, Florida, California residence. These should be state funded projects or I don’t know privately funded projects. Wind farms, solar panel companies, WTF are federal dollars doing in items that should be left to private corporations. PO said he wants to do to all manufacturing companies what he did for the auto industry, What loose billions of tax payor dollars. I am so sick of all these earmarks for other states that benefit noone but that particular state. I don’t want tax payors in Michigan paying for earmarks in Georgia that will only benefit Georgia residence and vise versa. Hell most of those earmarks only benefit a small part of the residence in that state anyway. Everyone needs to pay federal taxes, that way we all benefit and we all have a stake in our Country. In the End I will always leave with this message….. Poor people do not create jobs, I have only worked for a “so called Rich” person all my life and they have provided me with decent pay for a decent days work. My husband and I together make around 140,000.00 dollars a year and with all the taxes we pay and I do mean all (state, federal, sales) we pay around 28% in taxes. We have tried the CHANGE way, now lets elect professionals in to get America back to work.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
12:48 pm
If the only way you tell which company is better than another company is by how much they make in total, please don’t go into banking and lend any of my deposit money out!
pahleaaaaasssssseeee
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
12:50 pm
A rail service in New York. What the heck does that have to do with Georgia, Florida, California residence. These should be state funded projects
Yeah, we Georgians shoulda never let the federal guvmint build those interstate highways in Georgia. Our dirt roads worked just fine!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
12:51 pm
Go peddle that junk to the rest of the uninformed.
Yeah, Mark, how dare you do math that requires more than counting on toes and fingers in this blog!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
12:52 pm
Finn, your 12:45 belies your lack of education.
When trying to make the case using statistics that Bush was a more profligate spender than Obama, as MarkV was trying to do, you must use raw dollar numbers to make that case.
Playing with percentages in statistics, when the variables; i.e. the starting points, are wildly different, is an exercise in DECEPTION.
And while neither of you know beans about statistical analysis, you sure do know a lot about deception.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
12:59 pm
…the AJC is getting ready to go to a registration system for commenting.
VERY bad news for the preponderance of cowardly cons (primarily) who change names quicker than they change their underwear.
Awesome.
The dead red “contributors” on these forum will fall by a third or more!
iggy
August 15th, 2012
1:01 pm
Finn 12:45…LOL.
Finn thinks FaceBook at $40 was a great investment. BTW, 270 million shares FB shares released tomorrow. Should be interesting.
iggy
August 15th, 2012
1:01 pm
651st AND 652nd!!!
YEAH BABY!!
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
1:05 pm
VERY bad news for the preponderance of cowardly cons (primarily) who change names quicker than they change their underwear.
I’d guess it’ll have an equal effect on both sides. Neither wing has a monopoly on sock puppets.
And of course, depending on how they police it, there’ll be ways around it just like the current system, even though that’s a lot of trouble to go through to play tit for tat on an anonymous blog.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
1:05 pm
Playing with percentages in statistics, when the variables; i.e. the starting points, are wildly different, is an exercise in DECEPTION
duh. Most people versed in how to properly do this type of analysis know how to limit the “wildly different” stuff.
Here’s two ways to compare Obama and W’s spending:
Pick a date and write down the total dollar amount of debt on that day – let’s use the day before W took office.
Now, look at the debt on the day W left office as a percentage of the baseline date from above.
Now, choose a date close to know for Obama and look at it as a percentage of the baseline date.
Or, method 2, pick the date before W went into office and compare the debt on his final day in office as a percentage.
Now, do the same thing for Obama pick any recent date and compare that to the date Obama went into office.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
1:07 pm
…there’ll be ways around it just like the current system…
No doubt.
Even so, it should keep the more juvenile people out of these forums.
Which is only a good thing…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
1:07 pm
Yeah, the new rules should limit the number of illegals voting and other voting fraud.
I tells ya, it’s rampant!
We libs will have to get the Black Panthers to patrol teh blogs.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:09 pm
Finn, you just described HOW to use percentages, but not WHEN to use percentages. More deception.
If your argument is that someone spends more than another, you CANNOT use percentages if the starting points are not the same. Period.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
1:10 pm
Jamvet/Amvet
Who changes names frequently? I have never changed my name.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
1:12 pm
Bill Gates is putting $300 million into re-engineering our toilets!
SWEEEET!
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:12 pm
AmVet:
VERY bad news for the preponderance of cowardly cons (primarily) who change names quicker than they change their underwear.
Ditto what Hillbilly said.
I’m more into quality than quantity…and I must say…when it comes to quality…it’s the conservative commandos that rule this blog.
yeah right
August 15th, 2012
1:13 pm
“I’m more into quality than quantity…and I must say…when it comes to quality…it’s the conservative commandos that rule this blog.”
You excluded
Just saying
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:13 pm
AmVet, on the other hand, rarely changes his “thought”, much less his underwear.
ew and SCHNIRT!
yeah right
August 15th, 2012
1:15 pm
@@
If you are dittoing HillBilly D, you will notice that he didn’t mention that any side was better or worse.
just saying
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
1:15 pm
If your argument is that someone spends more than another, you CANNOT use percentages if the starting points are not the same. Period.
So, we can’t look at Microsft’s sales performance in Q2 of 2012 as a percentage change and compare that performance to Q2 of 2011 as a percentage change?
Brighter minds than yours do this every single day…
“Revenues increased 4% in Q2 2012, vs a decrease of 1.4% in the same period last year.”
Yeah, that’s so wrong it hurt….
iggy
August 15th, 2012
1:15 pm
“We libs will have to get the Black Panthers to patrol teh blogs.”
Thats the NEW Black Panthers, to you, Mister. And might as well as the US District Attorney sees nothing wrong with it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:16 pm
“Who changes names frequently?”
Trashman, for one. He’s currently doing the Myth Robme moniker, but he changes names about a frequently as the weather around here.
Some of the internet stalkers as well.
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:18 pm
yeah right:
You excluded
You’ll get no argument from me.
Surprised?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:19 pm
Finn, you’re either being deliberately dense today, or you just don’t get it.
MarkV’s PREMISE is that Bush spent more than Obama. You cannot use a variable starting point and use percentages to prove that point. Period.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 15th, 2012
1:20 pm
Obozo wants “shared prosperity”, but I’m still waiting to hear how the bus drivers and the janitors are going to be sharing theirs.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
1:21 pm
Speaking of juvenile, did I just feel that oh so familiar naughty little girl humping on my leg?
For the two thousand, four hundred and sixty third time?
iggy
August 15th, 2012
1:21 pm
“You cannot use a variable starting point and use percentages to prove that point”
Why not? Obama, Biden, Nasty Pelosi, Reid, Goron, Daschle etc do it everyday.
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:22 pm
yeah right:
I once proved that AmVet was a namechanger. Now I can only speculate as to how many different names he uses.
I don’t spend time worrying about.
I leave that to folks like Kamchak and AmVet. They’ve become obsessed with the endless possibilities.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
1:22 pm
What’s this talk of us being in a new war before November? Israel is going to strike Iran? Huh?
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:24 pm
humping on my leg
AmVet doesn’t get to use that at jay’s anymore. It’s one of his favorites so……..
here he is.
iggy
August 15th, 2012
1:25 pm
“Obozo wants shared prosperity”.
He wants everyone to have a lobotomy and a HoverRound.
Spin City
August 15th, 2012
1:28 pm
@@
No, but your hero Tiberius loves to use that phrase on this blog.
He will be crying shortly
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
1:28 pm
Dusty @ 12:45 pm
We may or may not have different concepts on how to help an ailing economy. But what we certainly have different concepts about is how to debate issues, any issue. My concept is to either present an argument, or to submit a contra-argument to what somebody else has submitted, and let the facts and logic show, which one is more valid. You concept appears to either to ignore the arguments, or answer any specific argument with generalities, or even to present generalities as a response to what has not been argued. In addition, while I try to depersonalize issues, you seem always to personalize them. Telling me what I think, what my ideas are. You do not know what my ideas are, other than in case of the very specific issues or concepts I write about.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
1:29 pm
And humping away you are, snorter.
Which is spectacular.
After all these years that I can still make you do that. Almost on command.
It is such a shame that you can’t do it non-stop over at Bookman’s like you used to.
Silly little thing.
Spin City
August 15th, 2012
1:31 pm
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Show JamVet that you can post at Bookman’s.
Show him good. You can, right?
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
1:32 pm
Finn, you cannot argue with people who just make things up. Example:
“MarkV’s PREMISE is that Bush spent more than Obama.” Can you find anywhere in what I have written a claim that Bush spent more than Obama?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:32 pm
Another internet stalker who changes their blog name @ 1:28.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:34 pm
“and let the facts and logic show, which one is more valid.”
Except your “logic” is usually based on deception and wordsmithing, rather than on actual logic.
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:35 pm
Spin City:
I never complained about AmVet using that phrase. It was jay.
I’ve witnessed Tiberius using it once.
Tiberius, my hero?
I find Tiberius to be not only smart but VERY SMART. He does, however, lack a sense of humor.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:38 pm
Case in point, MarkV, your 1:32 post.
Your premise was to show @@ that Bush was a more profligate spender than Obama. Without using the exact words to describe it (so that you could weasel out of the charge with the wordsmithing wriggle you use rather ineffectively when caught in your lies), you tried to make the point using percentages with different variables, which has been exposed as being grossly deceptive.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:39 pm
“He does, however, lack a sense of humor.”
Hey!
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 15th, 2012
1:39 pm
We sure know who the GOP obbsructionists are… losers..
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
1:40 pm
National Debt on W’s first day in office 1/19/2001: $5.727 trillion
National Debt on W’s last day in office 1/19/2009: $10.628 trillion
By the end of his 8 years, W oversaw an increase of 86%
Looking just at today’s exact same date in the timeline of W’s Presidency we get this:
National debt on 8/13/2004: $7.312 trillion, an increase of 28% over the 1/19/2001 amount.
National Debt on Obama’s first day in office 1/19/2009: $10.628 trillion
National debt this week: $15.915 trillion, an increase of 50%
So, yes, Obama is on an 8 year trajectory to surpass W’s spending spree. Obama has gone up 50% compared to W’s 28% at this same point in his presidency.
Data source: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 15th, 2012
1:41 pm
Tib your a water carrying tool ….
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 15th, 2012
1:45 pm
Attention cons between Rob-Me and his buttboy Ryan you got nothing,,, OBAMA 2012…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:46 pm
Much better, Finn!
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:48 pm
Spin city:
If I posted on jay’s terms (under another name), I could.
I don’t like jay’s terms so I don’t.
I make an exception only when some leftist challenges my freedom to do so. Not my fault jay won’t let the @@ shine thru.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
1:52 pm
Wow. How to come up with a response to “Its all bushs fault” . . . .
Nope. No need to feed the troll.
Spin City
August 15th, 2012
1:52 pm
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So you can’t. Figured it would make JamVet look like a fool if you did
retiredds
August 15th, 2012
1:54 pm
Example of Republican doublespeak:
In an effort to seize the offensive, Romney has started running a television ad slamming Obama for the $716 billion in Medicare spending cuts without mentioning that his running mate proposed the same reductions or that voiding them would blow a giant hole in Republican plans to reduce the deficit.
The R’s must think no one’s paying attention.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
1:55 pm
Looking at the data each year on August 13th, W averaged raising the debt 10 percentage points (over the baseline) per year (almost exactly 10% each year) until 8/13/2008. Between 8/13/2008 and 1/19/2009 (5 months) it jumped 18 percentage points!
Obama went up 25% in his first year and then settled down at 12-13 percentage point increases for the last two years.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
1:58 pm
ryan got stumped like palin on fox already.
Hume was surprised but I was not.
SlickRick
August 15th, 2012
1:59 pm
@ @@ – “I find Tiberius to be not only smart but VERY SMART.”
Takes a fool to know one, I guess.
Schnirt and (y)ew
JDW
August 15th, 2012
2:00 pm
@Tiberius…”When the country’s total debt is LOWER (as it was during the Bush years), increasing your PERCENTAGE of debt by $5 trillion in 8 years looks a lot worse when you increase your debt by that same dollar amount in just 4 years.”
Interesting thought, not uncommon among those that don’t really understand the importance of the rate of change vs the aggregate.
The way most people choose to compare numbers over time is in constant dollar figures. For example say 2005 constant dollars…
In Clinton’s last budget year 2001 the surplus was $142.7 billion and in Duhbya’s last budget year it was $1.274 trillion. For a increase under Duhbya of $1.4167 trillion. Now last time I brought this up Kyle and I finally arrived at a figure of around $252 billion (in 2005 dollars) that was spent in 2009 that Duhbya didn’t ask for so lets adjust that out and say that under Duhbya the deficit increased by $1.1647 trillion dollars.
Now to the question of Obama. In 2012 the budget deficit is estimated to be $1.0329 Trillion. In Duhbya’s last year it was 1.022 trillion (the $1.274 less the $252 adjustment) which means that during Obama’s tenure, relative to his predecessor, he has increased the budget deficit by 10.9 billion.
So to recap, in constant 2005 dollars…
-Duhbya increased the deficit by $1.1647 TRILLION
-Obama has increased the deficit by $10.9 billion.
In terms of percentages Obama has increased the annual deficit about 1% of the amount that Duhbya did.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
I heard the rules about posting another person’s name gets you banned, getalife.
And that IS true.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
getalife
In his mind and in the mind of some of his sheepish flock, yes.
Reality? No
@@
August 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
Spin:
Figured it would make JamVet look like a fool if you did
AmVet voted for Ralph Nader. There’s no bigger fool than a Nader tater.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
2:02 pm
Ti,
I don’t wank names and don’t let him take over your blog.
SlickRick
August 15th, 2012
2:02 pm
JDW – Tiberius won’t get it; there’s too much facts and logic and data and stuff in there. He responds better to lies, half truths, obfuscations and demagoguery.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
2:04 pm
“There’s no bigger fool than a Nader tater.”
I disagree.
Voting for w twice to destroy our country then voting gop again to do the exact same thing is very foolish.
southpaw
August 15th, 2012
2:07 pm
JDW – How much did each one increase the DEBT, instead of the deficit? Constant dollars do sound like a better comparison than current dollars. I haven’t seen the actual numbers, but I’ll bet that Obama’s increase of the debt is a lot more than 1% of Bush’s.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:09 pm
JDW, you do not use constant dollars when describing spending. Dollars are dollars at the time they are spent. More deception.
You also (once again) show a budget surplus during Clinton’s years when none existed. We’ve been over that and you simply do not get it.
Finally, you add into the deception by once again using percentages when percentages aren’t a valid method when showing who spent more raw dollars.
You used to be better than this.
@@
August 15th, 2012
2:11 pm
Getalife:
Having you fill in doesn’t work with me anymore.
The reason Obama was elected was because folks wanted a change from Iraq. Not only did Obama seek to extend our stay in Iraq, he shifted the costs to Afghanistan and beyond.
If that’s change, you guys sure are gullible.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
2:12 pm
We all know w was a disaster.
We moved on.
w can’t even show his face so get over it.
Robert
August 15th, 2012
2:12 pm
@Rafe Hollister – Romney is desparate to distract from his own problems: hiding his tax returns, his Bain Capital exploits, his flip-flop/downright deceitful campaign and his choice of a Randian Tea Party extremist as VP. He is clearly projecting the GOP’s racist, misogynistic and homophobic hate onto Obama. It won’t work.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:13 pm
Oh, and btw, JDW, the original post was about DEBT, not DEFICIT.
Your 2:00 reminds me of the “Let’s play games with numbers!” farce in Washington, D.C. where both sides try to prove that black is really white and up is really down.
And fail miserably to the rest of us who actually pay attention.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
2:14 pm
@@,
Our President ended both losing occupations.
mccain would of started another one in Syria.
Just the facts.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
2:14 pm
@Tiberius…”you do not use constant dollars when describing spending. Dollars are dollars at the time they are spent. More deception”
I see economics just aren’t your thing…constant dollars are the ONLY ACCEPTED way of comparing results over time.
“You also (once again) show a budget surplus during Clinton’s years when none existed. We’ve been over that and you simply do not get it.”
I get it fine…in 2001 the US Government took in $142.7 billion more than it spent…you can blather on about cross balance sheet transactions all you want.
“Finally, you add into the deception by once again using percentages when percentages aren’t a valid method when showing who spent more raw dollars.”
Percentages are perfectly valid after normalizing the data which I have done.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:15 pm
Robert, we know you have the DNC talking points down.
Care to come up with a few thoughts on your own?
SlickRick
August 15th, 2012
2:16 pm
@ @@ @ 2:11 – So, so, so, very, very, very wrong. In other words: par for the course.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
2:17 pm
@@
Whether you agree or not, he said he would increase troops levels in Afghanistan. Personally I didn’t agree. Outside of toppling the Taliban, things haven’t really worked out. Various strategies under Bush and Obama have not changed much. Outside of the areas with a heavy US presence, it is back to the norm they have known for years. Tribal leaders rule the day and they change sides at a whim. Time to be gone.
As for Iraq, the troops left based on the time line set under Bush. Iraq would no longer provide immunity to US servicemen. Bush nor Obama were able to get Iraq to budge, hence our troops withdrew right at or close to the negotiated time line.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:19 pm
“I see economics just aren’t your thing…constant dollars are the ONLY ACCEPTED way of comparing results over time.”
I see budgeting isn’t your thing. You cannot use constant dollars when budgeting, JDW. More deception on your part. You MUST use actual dollars at the time they are spent/budgeted. You’d be laughed out of every boardroom in America if you tried that constant dollars argument during budget planning sessions.
In the real world, you cannot compare apples to oranges. Only in the liberal world can that fantasy happen.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
2:25 pm
I bet the failed gop hose leaders will stop using the unchain our economy lie now thanks to VP Biden.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
2:27 pm
@southpaw….”How much did each one increase the DEBT, instead of the deficit? Constant dollars do sound like a better comparison than current dollars. I haven’t seen the actual numbers, but I’ll bet that Obama’s increase of the debt is a lot more than 1% of Bush’s.”
In 2005 dollars Clinton left with $3.6938 trillion in debt held by the public (excluding inter-balance sheet like SS)
Duhbya increased that to $6.810 trillion or 84%
Through 2012 Obama has increased that to $8.7795 or about 29% when compared to his predecessor
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
“Our President ended both losing occupations.”
Funny, but a friend of mine just shipped out to Afghanistan this week.
Just when did that occupation “end”, getalife?
JDW
August 15th, 2012
2:29 pm
@Tiberius…”You cannot use constant dollars when budgeting,”
We aren’t talking about budgeting we are comparing results over time.
As for the Boardroom bit..generally I get paid to be there.
SlickRick
August 15th, 2012
2:30 pm
Off topic: why do conservatives have a huge issue with gay marriage, but no issue at all with gay prostitutes?
Kyle Wingfield
August 15th, 2012
2:31 pm
getalife: The rules here are clear, and you’re on the blog often enough to know them. But now you’ll be off the blog for a week.
And a note to everyone else: While I’m obviously busy with things other than the blog today, I will be going back over the comments and dealing with those who need to be dealt with.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:35 pm
“We aren’t talking about budgeting we are comparing results over time.”
Uh, yes JDW, we are talking about budgeting. Saying we aren’t doesn’t make it so.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
2:35 pm
I will be going back over the comments and dealing with those who need to be dealt with.
Yeah, well you need to deal with this guy:
Last week, Trump said, “I was asked to speak at the RNC but said no,” which is Trump Code for “I begged them to let me speak and someone thought that was probably a bad idea,” but to allow him to save face he claimed that he “will be doing something much bigger–just watch!”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:38 pm
“Off topic: why do conservatives have a huge issue with gay marriage, but no issue at all with gay prostitutes?”
’cause two hot chicks going at it can be sexy?
JDW
August 15th, 2012
2:40 pm
@Tiberius…”You cannot use constant dollars when budgeting,”
Are you mad…just because you are taking about numbers that were once in a budget doesn’t mean you are talking about budgeting.
A budget is a plan for the future and you use todays dollars unless you have hyper inflation say in a Latin American country.
Results have already happened i.e. adding to debt, incurring deficits and surpluses and if you are comparing number over more than a couple of year time span you should look at them in constant dollars.
They teach that stuff in business school maybe you should go.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:43 pm
Once again, JDW, if you used the “Well, in 2005 dollars we’re only going to spend $1 trillion instead of the actual $3 trillion in 2012″ argument, you’d be laughed out of the boardroom.
And rightfully so.
DawgDad
August 15th, 2012
2:46 pm
“A “socialist” a “communist” would have sat back and let Capitalism self destruct-which was what McCain was going to do. ”
This is a ridiculous comment. The socialist/communist would likely be more inclined to step in and sieze the means of production, or take steps to control it. How much GM stock does the Fed own? How much TARP were financial institutions COMPELLED to sign on for? How much freedom and liberty is being sacrificed in the name of Obamacare? Several thousand pages worth.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
2:50 pm
@Tiberius…”“Well, in 2005 dollars we’re only going to spend $1 trillion instead of the actual $3 trillion in 2012″ argument, you’d be laughed out of the boardroom.”
Actually that depends…I have seen some long-term capex budgets that did it that way, but again in this years budget you use current dollars.
Now if you were comparing capex expenditures over 10 years (which is what we are doing here) you would most certainly look at it in terms of constant dollars and as an annual percentage of revenue.
I am guessing you haven’t been in many boardrooms.
@@
August 15th, 2012
2:52 pm
Let me get this straight…Obama had to surge 30,000 troops into Afghanistan before reverting back to Bush’s original light footprint strategy into Afghanistan?
Yeah…that makes sense./snark/
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
2:55 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:38 pm
“Off topic: why do conservatives have a huge issue with gay marriage, but no issue at all with gay prostitutes?”
’cause two hot chicks going at it can be sexy?
______________________________________________
REPUBLICAN men have a FIXATION and FANTASY about what
WOMEN do in the bedroom.
RUSH LIMBAUGH IS THE LEADER OF THE PACK.
S-L-E-A-Z-Y
C-R-E-E-P-Y
P-E-R-V-E-R-T-E-D
And they have the nerve to CRITIZE Liberal men.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:58 pm
“I am guessing you haven’t been in many boardrooms.”
And you’d be wrong about that, just as you are wrong on so many other things, JDW.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
2:58 pm
Robert
I “hate” to burst your “hate” balloon, however, no one in the GOP “hates” Obama. He is a good father and seems like a nice guy.
We do however pity the poor fellow because with all the resources available to him, he continues to make the wrong choices and fails at most everything he attempts. He is wrecking our country and running up our debt, with little to show for it. Our children and grandchildren may “hate” him in 25 years, but that remains to be seen.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:59 pm
You know, Trashman, sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Why do you take every opportunity to be unpleasant?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
3:00 pm
@Kyle Wingfield
August 15th, 2012
2:31 pm
getalife: The rules here are clear, and you’re on the blog often enough to know them. But now you’ll be off the blog for a week.
__________________________________________
Others have done less and were kicked off longer.
What’s up with that.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
3:00 pm
@@
It is a mess in Afghanistan. If it helps you get through your day to think it was working under Bush and now it isn’t, you are free to think as you wish.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
3:01 pm
Who is the Trashman?
New person on the blog?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:02 pm
So what did getalife do?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:04 pm
Just wondering so I don’t make the same mistake.
I won’t dance on his grave like Amvet would.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:04 pm
Tiberius, you are wasting time, as I am sure you know. But anyone who gives Bush blame for all the spending Barry signed off on and requested in early 2009, is well on the way to fudging everything that follows.
@@
August 15th, 2012
3:06 pm
Up:
Whether you agree or not, he said he would increase troops levels in Afghanistan. Personally I didn’t agree.
Neither did I.
Once OBL had been driven out, there was no reason to linger in full force. Could’ve been taken care of with drones. If OBL or AQ returned to Afghanistan, hit ‘em with drone attacks.
Unfortunately, Bush was hesitant to increase drone attacks due to protests from the left. Obama hasn’t let that stop HIM from going full tilt on collateral damage.
Only limited protests have sought to stop Obama’s tendency to murder/kill/maim the unsuspecting.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
@Rafe..”Tiberius, you are wasting time, as I am sure you know. But anyone who gives Bush blame for all the spending Barry signed off on and requested in early 2009, is well on the way to fudging everything that follows.”
Which if you will notice, I adjusted the numbers to reflect.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
@@
Agreed. Many a militarty over many years have went to that region, only to leave with those tribes still doing what they do.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
2:59 pm
You know, Trashman, sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Why do you take every opportunity to be unpleasant?
_____________________________________________________
As a man thinketh, so is he.
As a man saith, so is he.
Watch your thoughts, they become words.
Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habits.
Watch your habits, they become your character.
Watch your character, it becomes your destiny.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
@Tiberius…”And you’d be wrong about that, just as you are wrong on so many other things”
Well then you ought to know better.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
You know, you see some things in life that are just so remarkable all you can do is stand back and admire them. Like Amvet, hiding behind an anonymous screen name, griping about people who hide behind an anonymous screen name.
And telling everybody how great he is at the same time.
Wow. Awesome.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
military
pardon me
jbgotcha
August 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
Wingfield you really need to improve the quality of your column. This is just more kabuki theater. Shame on you for dumbing yourself down. I thought Dalton High produced a better quality than this.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:09 pm
The left criticize civil liberty and human rights abuses under Obama? Get outta here, that is never going to happen.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:10 pm
Rafe, your 2:58 was spot-on. I just can’t grasp why the left can’t seem to understand that we can disagree vehemently about his policies without making it personal.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:13 pm
JDW
Which if you will notice, I adjusted the numbers to reflect. I didn’t notice, my bad, the left usually tars Bush with that profligate spending. When you and Tibby get in one of your number battles, my eyes gloss over. Lies, statistics, damn lies, figures lie, liars figure, that kinda thing.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:15 pm
“Who is the Trashman?”
He’s the guy who is currently going under the blog name of “What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both? “. His original moniker was “God Hates Trash – Superstar”, but he has changed that name about 8-10 times in various iterations since then.
It is simply easier for us to use “Trashman” than to type out his very wordy and oft-changing names.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:17 pm
“Which if you will notice, I adjusted the numbers to reflect.”
JDW’s way of “adjusting” figures simply means “cooking the books” to flip the meaning of them.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:19 pm
“Who is the Trashman?”
He’s the guy who is currently going under the blog name of “What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both? “
Not. The original Trashman had a brain and was somewhat interesting. This thing you speak, not so much.
gm
August 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
President Obama campaign on changing health care and delivered, whats amazing is how stupid acting and shock the right are that a President actually kept his promise.
The most amazing thing is how conservatives white males under 55 would allow a rich bratt come in and change their medicaid and give them a vocher when their time to collect, after putting thousands of their hard money into the program, and the right wonder why people around the world look at them like a bunch of sickos.
How could conservative women vote for Ryan after he voted against the ledbetter fair act? you have to wonder about rep women mental state in this country”””’
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
Back on topic- “‘2016′ says we don’t know the president we elected in 2008″
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Well then, ‘2016′ is simply wrong. I know very well the President we elected in 2008. He’s the same one we will elect in 2012.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
This thing you speak –of,– pardon me.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
You know, Trashman, sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Who is this “trashman”?
Rule 4 is very clear.
4. Anyone who refers to another commenter by anything other than the handle the latter uses will be subject to a ban of at least one week. This may sound like an extraordinary measure, but it is the source of many commenter fights. A shortened version of the handle may be acceptable, but only if there is no obvious intent to insult. As I will be the sole judge of that intent, I recommend you err on the side of not being too cute. The ban will also be applied to anyone who refers to commenters by previous handles they used.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:22 pm
Why won’t anybody tell me what getalife did, was it that bad? Was he hatin on the US again?
sam
August 15th, 2012
3:24 pm
if anyone tryly knows whats in Obamas heart and mind it would be D’Souza. wtf?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:24 pm
“you bed” is a grammatical atrocity and should also be a violation of the blog rules.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
“The most amazing thing is how conservatives white males under 55 would allow a rich bratt come in and change their medicaid and give them a vocher when their time to collect,”
You obviously haven’t actually read his Medicare proposal, have you, GM? You really need to get off those liberal websites that only tell you half the story. The truth is that people under 55 can STILL choose to join Medicare with absolutely no changes, or they may opt out and take their voucher.
“How could conservative women vote for Ryan after he voted against the ledbetter fair act?”
Given the fact that the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act merely changed the TIMING of when a person could challenge their pay, and didn’t change anything else currently under law, the importance of that passage was minimal.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
@Rafe…”Lies, statistics, damn lies, figures lie, liars figure, that kinda thing.”
It’s all about the point which is Duhbya hit the gas and got us into the $hit. Obama has not hit the gas but neither has he slowed us down which means we are still flying right along.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
re Kam’s 3:20- Uh oh. Somebody else may be going on vacation.
re : I report’s 3:22- see rule #4.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
3:26 pm
@Tiberius…”way of “adjusting” figures simply means “cooking the books” to flip the meaning of them.”
And here I thought it was so clear cut and simple even you could get it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
Kamchak, if KYLE has a problem with us using that moniker, he’ll tell us.
But I could just change my reference for that poster to “Tick” (shortened names ARE allowed). It would probably be more accurate, even.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
“Given the fact that the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act merely changed the TIMING of when a person could challenge their pay, and didn’t change anything else currently under law, the importance of that passage was minimal.”
_——————————————————————-
Unless, of course, that timing screws you out of tens of thousands of dollars.I would hope somebody who gets their panties in a twist over an old blog name could see that being unfairly relieved of all that money is almost as important.
sam
August 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
as you know Tiberius, TIMING is everything
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
“And here I thought it was so clear cut and simple even you could get it.”
You were. You cooked the books. I got it.
Get Real
August 15th, 2012
3:31 pm
saywhat?
You know next to nothing of Obama’s background nor does anyone else because he was the love child of the liberal press. He was never really vetted, it is that simple. Now does that mean that we would find the bogeyman if he was vetted…NO….but the fact remains he was never really vetted before he was elected nor since so no one can say for sure….and those are the plain and simple facts…
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:31 pm
JDW
With all that has been said, is this correct?
Obama is on pace to double the amount (5T) Bush added to the debt, if reelected.
That is about as complicated as it needs to be, IMHO.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:33 pm
saywhat?, I fully understand that timing can be an issue when considering / filing a protest. However, the left holds up the Ledbetter Act as some kind of miraculous piece of legislation, when it’s effect on fair pay laws is minimal.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
Your 3:31 is all anyone needs to know, Rafe.
No cooking the books required.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:15 pm
“Who is the Trashman?”
He’s the guy who is currently going under the blog name of “What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both? “. His original moniker was “God Hates Trash – Superstar”, but he has changed that name about 8-10 times in various iterations since then.
It is simply easier for us to use “Trashman” than to type out his very wordy and oft-changing names.
________________________________________________________
KYLE, please tell Tiberius THAT I AM NOT THE TRASHMAN.
Tiberius you would be SHOCKED TO KNOW WHO I AM.
BUT I AM NOT THE TRASHMAN.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I AM A MAN?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
re : 3:25
say what – Did you pop your cork?
Oops, saywhat is one word! I’m sorry, please don’t report me.
Jefferson
August 15th, 2012
3:39 pm
What a deck, indeed.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
3:40 pm
Kamchak, if KYLE has a problem with us using that moniker, he’ll tell us.
He already told you — The ban will also be applied to anyone who refers to commenters by previous handles they used.
So, how about it, Kyle?
They’re your rules.
Are you gonna dole out punishments equally?
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
Thats right “get real”, Obama was never really vetted. The Clinton and McCain campaigns totally to forgot to do any opposition research(oops!), and what they did happen to find out by accident, they conveniently forgot to tell the rest of us. Why, I bet Obama hasn’t even released 10 years of tax returns like every other Presidential candidate , I mean….. uhhh, nevermind.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
@Kamchak – “Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
You know, Trashman, sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Who is this “trashman”?
Rule 4 is very clear.
4. Anyone who refers to another
__________________________________________
Trashman was a blogger who was a thorn in the side of other bloggers.
For some reason he was not been on the blog.
However, they (Tiberius and others) think that I AM THE TRASHMAN.
They would be SHOCKED TO KNOW WHO I AM.
I am just another blogger EXPRESSING MY OPINIONS which are
opposite of their opinions.
AND THEY CAN’T STAND IT.
I will keep them GUESSING.
BUT I AM NOT THE TRASHMAN.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
@Rafe…”With all that has been said, is this correct?”
In 2005 dollars Duhbya added about $3.12 trillion to the public debt.
If current projections hold Obama’s total will be about $5.24 trillion 2005 dollars
SlickRick
August 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
I Report – Kyle doesn’t like getalife’s politics. That’s all.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
3:43 pm
In my 3:42 the $5.24 trillion is through 2016
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:45 pm
I think we should add a new rule. People who visit the blog infrequently, with only one purpose in mind, to provoke, attack, or disparage a blogger they do not like, should also be given a time out.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
” when it’s effect on fair pay laws is minimal.”
________________________________________________________________
Its only minimal when it doesn’t affect YOU. (This seems to be a common thread among things conservatives find to be unimportant). If it was indeed minimal in effect, what possible reason was there to vote against it then?
SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
Tiberius – Nice comeback; however, I was talking about male gay prostitutes – you know, the ones male congresspeople like to do the dirty with when nobody’s looking.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:47 pm
“BUT I AM NOT THE TRASHMAN.”
Fine. Even though your writing style is EXACTLY like the Trashman’s. Even though your repeated comments are EXACTLY like the Trashman’s, you insist you’re not the Trashman.
I’ll just refer to you as “Tick”.
Until you change your blog name yet again.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:45 pm
I think we should add a new rule. People who visit the blog infrequently, with only one purpose in mind, to provoke, attack, or
disparage a blogger they do not like, should also be given a time out.
________________________________________________________________
What about the people who visit the blog all day everyday with only one purpose in mind, to provoke, attack, or
disparage a blogger they do not like? Can they go on vacation too?.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
“People who visit the blog infrequently, with only one purpose in mind, to provoke, attack, or disparage a blogger they do not like, should also be given a time out.”
That is covered in one of Kyle’s rules, Rafe, but is not used very often.
But I agree with you.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
3:49 pm
@Tiberius..”Your 3:31 is all anyone needs to know,”
If you only want half the story and don’t plan to actually fix the problem…see to do that you go back to a baseline…say the Clinton years and build a model from there.
Psssstttt…it doesn’t involve more tax cuts for rich guys.
bug
August 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
Herman Cain for Sec. of State when Romney wins. The sheriff in AZ. head of homeland security.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
BUT I AM NOT THE TRASHMAN.
A valid point.
But the issue is, Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed — believed/believes that you are and addressed you using that handle which is in clear violation of the last sentence in Kyle’s rule #4.
And since — Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed — runs and cries to Kyle with every infraction, it is only fair that he takes his lumps also,
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
@Kamchak – “Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
3:40 pm
Kamchak, if KYLE has a problem with us using that moniker, he’ll tell us.
He already told you — The ban will also be applied to anyone who refers to commenters by previous handles they used.
So, how about it, Kyle?
They’re your rules.
Are you gonna dole out punishments equally?
________________________________________________________
No he will not.
There are certain bloggers who GET away with breaking the rules.
THEY are notorious for getting away with breaking the rules and that
is because they are CONSERVATIVES and so is KYLE.
Kyle Wingfield – Political commentary from The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution’s 30-something conservative
@@
August 15th, 2012
3:53 pm
Getalife is celebrating somewhere. Another ban, albeit temporary, is something he cherishes.
I’d also like to know what it was he did.
SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
3:54 pm
Kamchack – yes, it’s high time Kyle enforced the rules against those who agree with him, and not just the selective censorship he typically engages in. Let’s see how principled and upstanding Kyle really is…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
Saywhat?, from Wiki:
“The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stating that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new discriminatory paycheck.”
In legal terms, this basically gives you multiple (and on-going) bites at the apple. Again, not a big deal, and certainly not the ground-breaking piece of legislation hailed by the left.
Frankly, if you haven’t figured out you’re not being paid accordingly by six months time, you’re not very bright.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
I’m just wondering how it is that Kamchak can be so wrong so many times on so many issues?
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:58 pm
“Frankly, if you haven’t figured out you’re not being paid accordingly by six months time, you’re not very bright.”
________________________________________________________
Because all of my co-workers tell me how much they earn. Yours too? Anybody else?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
3:58 pm
Let’s see how principled and upstanding Kyle really is…
I believe Kyle to be a pretty stand up kinda guy.
Whether he wades through these posts and takes issue with this is another matter entirely.
I’m pretty sure that he didn’t wade through and find getalife’s infraction.
I suspect someone tattled.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
I’m just wondering how it is that Kamchak can be so wrong so many times on so many issues?
_______________________________________________________
Perhaps he is emulating you?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
3:47 pm
“BUT I AM NOT THE TRASHMAN.”
Fine. Even though your writing style is EXACTLY like the Trashman’s. Even though your repeated comments are EXACTLY like the Trashman’s, you insist you’re not the Trashman.
I’ll just refer to you as “Tick”.
Until you change your blog name yet again.
________________________________________
It is not what you call me, but what I answer to, that matters most.
@@
August 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
The neighbor’s <——- blog must be downsizing. His nannies are looking for work.
REALLY, guys? Must you?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Because all of my co-workers tell me how much they earn.”
No, because bright people know when they are being deliberately underpaid for the job they are doing. We’re not talking about a couple of grand a year, here, saywhat?, we’re talking significant money at executive levels.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
@Tiberius…”Again, not a big deal, and certainly not the ground-breaking piece of legislation hailed by the left.”
I am guessing Lily Ledbetter doesn’t agree…that timing cost her a bundle.
@@
August 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
I believe Kyle to be a pretty stand up kinda guy.
If Kamchak really felt that way, he’d stay on his side of the fence. Instead, he chooses to bring his pettiness over here…”sucking up” time and space.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
4:07 pm
Have you listened to Lilly Ledbetter speak, JDW?
Doesn’t strike me as a MENSA candidate.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
“We’re not talking about a couple of grand a year, here, saywhat?, we’re talking significant money at executive levels.”
_______________________________________________________________
Says who? A few thousand dollars a year over the course of 10 years seems like plenty of money to me.But then, I’m not Mitt Romney.
People have absolutely no way of knowing if they are being underpaid due to my race, ethnicity or gender, short of asking multiple co-workers what they are paid, hardly something that is asked (or answered ) during the first 6 months of ones employment.
And you still didn’t sanswer why Ryan should not have voted for it.
SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
@@ – You seem mighty miffed by the ban you’ve been subjected to over at Bookman’s. You bring it up all the time. Just sayin’.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
4:10 pm
@Tiberius…”Doesn’t strike me as a MENSA candidate.”
So in your world its ok to screw someone over if they aren’t real sharp? See I tend to believe those are ones that we should protect even more.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
Everyone, please take a chill pill. This thread and topic has ran its course but no need for all the blah, blah, blah.
Next thing you know, one of the bloggers will be emailing the AJC threatening to sue them as well as the host and other bloggers.
We don not need Gilbert & Montlick to get involved over this blog.
The appeal is for calm.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
JDW
August 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
@Tiberius…BTW according to Wikipedia…”The Ledbetter decision was cited by federal judges in 300 cases before the LLFPA was passed.” I guess it was ok to screw them too?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
Consider yourself warned: If Obama loses to Mitt Romney in 2012, might he run again in 2016?
mwuahahahahahahahahahaaha. The zombie from Chicago!
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
@@
There are no sides of the fence. Are you the rule maker here?
Unless you have been banned, anyone is welcome to visit and post on any of the AJC blogs.
Pardon me if you are the fence “decider”. Just let me know and also include all the rules and regs that go beyond what the host has linked on this very site.
Thank you
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
Saywhat?, any organization can make a case for a few thousand dollars less per year based on experience, tenure, performance, etc. Lilly Ledbetter, nor any fair pay act can or should address those issues.
Fair pay issues are the more egregious ones that can’t be swept under the rug using the above guidelines.
And I’m sorry if I didn’t make it clear to you, but the legal principle of getting multiple bites at the apple is likely why he didn’t vote for it, although I can’t be certain. It definitely would have been the overriding reason why I would not have voted for it had I been in his shoes.
@@
August 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
Slick:
You seem mighty miffed by the ban you’ve been subjected to over at Bookman’s. You bring it up all the time.
Not miffed…and I only bring it up in response to leftists who seem to be more interested in it than I am. How many times have you brought it up?
=====================================
So people who don’t care about voting support Obama?
Poll: Obama leads among non-voters
A proud moment, I’m sure.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
4:20 pm
“So in your world its ok to screw someone over if they aren’t real sharp? ”
JDW, the one thing you may not do is speak for me. All I’m saying is that at the level Ms. Ledbetter was at, she should have known that her pay was disproportionate to equivalent male executives by a significant amount. But if you can’t figure that out by six months time, maybe you’re in the wrong position, or just not very bright.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
4:20 pm
Rule 11 should knock Tiberius and I Report out for at least a week!
Rule 11: Thou shalt not lie down with farm animals….
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
4:21 pm
If Kamchak really felt that way, he’d stay on his side of the fence. Instead, he chooses to bring his pettiness over here…”sucking up” time and space.
(Shrug)
For now, I can come and go as I please.
Unlike you, of course.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
4:21 pm
The rule says you can’t refer to another blogger by a past handle. Myth says he is not the Trashman, so no harm no foul.
Myth says
It is not what you call me, but what I answer to, that matters most.
Why did you answer to the Trashman comment?
SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
@@ – that would be the first time I’ve brought it up, but nice try.
Schnirt
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
Rafe
Read the entire rule and it is probably best we all adhere to Goody Three Shoes posted
4. Anyone who refers to another commenter by anything other than the handle the latter uses will be subject to a ban of at least one week.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
4:27 pm
If you all want I can change my handle to “Jesus” since you all think I walk on water and what not.
Just let me know.
@@
August 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
Are you the rule maker here?
Nope. Never let it be said that I’m into regulating free speech.
Blog Suck Ups? That’s a whole different issue.
Now can we end this silliness? I’m looking to learn, not leer.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
Up
Wouldn’t be Barry Obama’s America, if more and more regulations, were not always appropriate.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
4:30 pm
Slickrick
Dang it, that was going to me my moniker after 6 Nov, with a slight alteration, but you done stole it.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
Finn – It would be easier for us to keep track if you changed it to “stooge.”
Just a suggestion.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
@@
If that is true as you say then ignore what is not relevant to you and engage when it is.
Otherwise your words seem empty.
No offense.
SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
4:42 pm
Rafe – Something tells me you’ll be sticking with your current moniker at least through 2016. The truth hurts, huh?
@@
August 15th, 2012
4:48 pm
Goody:
Like them or not, Kyle’s rules are relevant to all of us.
Enforcing Kyle’s rules are his responsibility and no one elses.
I don’t even like it when Tiberius assumes the role.
Final word? Or are you insistent on having the last?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
Aahhh, I see that Joe Biden has gnawed through the straps of his straight jacket again and is busy hanging some more negatives around obozo’s pencil neck.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
4:56 pm
@@
Yes Kyle’s rules rule. I didn’t say any different.
I did ask you about your fence comment. Be honest, it had no relevance to anything. You know that.
I do applaud you for calling out one of the main ones and not just limiting it to those who you disagree with politically.
But in the end, Kyle will sort it out. No need to tell people to go over to the other side of the fence, when that is not your call.
Thanks for the exchange and have a lovely day.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
There’s no bigger fool than a Nader tater.
Says someone stupid AND gullible enough to vote for the worst president in modern American history (by a huge margin), George W. Bush.
Twice!!
Then you voted for McCain and Sarah BarraClueless!! Incredible.
And now you’re getting ready to vote for the abysmal Flip Romney and Flop Rand.
What a hysterically awful track record.
So, heal your snorting self, humper…
JDW
August 15th, 2012
4:58 pm
@Tiberius…”But if you can’t figure that out by six months time, maybe you’re in the wrong position, or just not very bright”
Could be lots of reasons…none of which justify screwing her out of justice. Which is the net effect of your position no matter who enunciates it.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
Not my fault
jay won’t let the @@ shine thruI cannot accept responsibility for being clearly warned repeatedly to stop childishly insulting people with no provocation, but I could not.I never have been able to.
Want proof?
Look at my very first post to JamVet today…
@@
August 15th, 2012
1:13 pm
AmVet, on the other hand, rarely changes his “thought”, much less his underwear.
ew and SCHNIRT!
@@
August 15th, 2012
5:08 pm
AmVet:
The difference between you supporting Nader and my support of Bush? Bush was not what I despised in a candidate.
Nader, on the other hand…represents all that you despise. A corporation unto himself as it were. Tinkered with his returns to avoid paying taxes and paid his employees little to nothing.
A tyrant to boot.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
5:13 pm
I’m going to be blunt here.
If you don’t like the way anybody is posting their comments, DON’T READ THEM.
If you don’t want to get banned, DON’T BREAK THE RULES.
If you don’t want to get reported by me, DON’T BREAK THE RULES WHEN THEY SPECIFICALLY INVOLVE ME.
Now, there are some of us on here who like to express our opinions, and despite what others may think, are willing to change them IF PROVEN TO BE FALSE. Others are here to just be disagreeable.
I think the bloggers who come on here to try to change the WAY we post have every right to do so, but are simply wasting their time. We are who we are. Deal with it, or don’t deal with it. Your choice. I personally would love it if people would come on here with more than just “GOP = bad, Democrats = good” or visa versa, so that real discussions can occur. Not a single post replying to my very detailed one of last night (except for Kamchak’s stupid “You can’t tell me what to do” nonsense), but NOTHING of substance.
If you’re here to deliver nasty one-liners; fine. No one is stopping you.
But it would sure be nice for many of you to up your game with some substance.
Jefferson
August 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
T- calm down, you are gonna blow a 50 amp fuse.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
5:16 pm
“Could be lots of reasons”
Actually, no, not really, JDW.
But feel free to detail them if you wish.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
5:19 pm
SOURCES: Gunman With Chick-Fil-A Bag Opens Fire At Conservatives
A security guard at the Family Research Council’s headquarters in Washington, D.C. is being hailed as a hero after he stopped a gunman posing as an intern, taking a bullet in the arm before wrestling the suspect to the ground.
The gunman entered the lobby of the organization’s Chinatown headquarters around 10:45 and expressed disagreement with the conservative group’s policy positions.
Another kook liberal loses it.
Michael H. Smith
August 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
The claptrap emanating from the resident socialists and the new socialists transplants from bookieman’s blog is a great reason to go see the movie for yourself – 2016: Obama’s America – they don’t want anyone to watch.
Obama was never properly vetted as other Presidential candidates and for very good reasons. Some of those reasons are revealed in the movie, others have been brought to fore outside of the liberal media.
Check obumer out this time around before you vote for him. As the adage goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame me.
Don’t be deceived.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
Mike, didn’t you get the word?!
Joseph McCarthy is dead!
And his demented witch hunts for “communists, Marxists, socialist and pinkos” (oh my!) died a hideous death. Along with his legacy!
And America celebrated!
Except apparently for in a bizarre little element of the GOP, where it still survives like some Klannish anachronism…
SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
5:38 pm
Tiberius – Kettle calling the pot black much?
JamVet – No, Mike didn’t get the memo. Wouldn’t help much if you’re illiterate.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
5:41 pm
“Kettle calling the pot black much?”
I’ll put my posts up against anything you post for substance, and I’ll win every time, Slick Rick.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
Not a single post replying to my very detailed one of last night…
We’re just not that into you.
SlickRick - glad to no longer be suffering through Fratboy George's ineptocracy
August 15th, 2012
5:43 pm
Tiberius – your “substance” is about as weighty as the air in a hot air balloon.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 15th, 2012
5:47 pm
By any measure, Obozo is the biggest spender since World War II. To disagree is to admit you’re a moron Obozo receptacle.
Don’t be a receptacle.
Vote American.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
5:53 pm
Slick Rick and Kamchak define my earlier post: “Others are here to just be disagreeable.”
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
6:09 pm
Everyone behave this evening.
Remember, Kyle is the boss not you. So no idle threat of who you will sue.
Have an enjoyable night.
@@
August 15th, 2012
6:20 pm
Remember, Kyle is the boss not you. So no idle threat of who you will sue.
The congenial assault?
@@
August 15th, 2012
6:22 pm
AmVet:
You were the one that brought up conservatives and their underwear. I just jumped on the opportunity to play off of it.
It was a post of no substance to your post of no substance.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
6:22 pm
Another leg-humper. Or just the same one with a different handle.
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August 15th, 2012
6:29 pm
Former Obama campaign co-chair: Biden’s remarks ‘racial viciousness’
I’m inclined to agree. It’s what happens when Joe tries to hard.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 15th, 2012
6:36 pm
2012 Tuesday: ‘2016′ says we don’t know the president we elected in 2008
——————————–
We know how much debt Obozo has racked up–nearly $6 trillion.
We know how much Obozo’s deficits are–$1.5 trillion every year.
We know what the unemployment rate has been for going on four years–8 to 10%.
We know how many Americans are on the dole–100 million (not counting SS and Medicare).
We know Obozo has enacted more expensive regulations than any president in history.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:37 pm
I just jumped on the opportunity to play off of it.
I made no reference to you. Whatsoever. You had no reason at all to take anything I wrote personally, yet given your immature response, you did just that.
And by way of childish and pitiful excuse you make up this rule that “jumping at opportunities to play off of it” gives you license to make unprovoked personal insults towards me or anybody else that you choose?
And yet you STILL feign not being able to figure out why you got sh*tcanned next door.
Are you ever going to grow up vis a vis your interactions with people on these forums?
(It’s rhetorical, no answer is required.)
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August 15th, 2012
6:40 pm
(It’s rhetorical, no answer is required.)
Okey dokey.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:43 pm
Seeya later symbol woman. When this same grade school game of yours will play out yet again!
(Presuming Kyle too, doesn’t get sick of your endless childish antics…)
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
6:46 pm
Obviously Dinesh D’Souza is not a fan of President Obama with this
“Feature Length Obama Hate.”
The movie is a standard Tea Party Political propaganda.
What a waste of celluloid.
@@
August 15th, 2012
7:02 pm
If the comment, itself weren’t bad enough.
Really Joe?
“He goan put y’all back in chains.”
What’s the matter? Your audience wasn’t the clean-cut articulate blacks to whom you’ve grown accustomed. Had to dumb it down for ‘em, did ‘ya? Meet them at their level of dialogue.
GEEZ!
Michael H. Smith
August 15th, 2012
7:03 pm
I never allow anyone to tell me what not to read or what not to watch and I find it particularly insulting – if not more so rudely vulgar – when anyone tells me how not to waste my time. I hope the majority of intelligent thinking adults in this country, as I take them to be, harbor the same sentiments as myself in the above stated regards.
For I shall always choose what I shall read, what I shall watch and how I shall waste my time if I so choose in whatever manner I so choose.
Remember and mark this well dear reader, from which side of this discourse comes the taunts that tell YOU what not to watch and what not to waste your time on.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
7:12 pm
@ —@@
August 15th, 2012
6:29 pm
Former Obama campaign co-chair: Biden’s remarks ‘racial viciousness’
I’m inclined to agree. It’s what happens when Joe tries to hard
________________________________________________________________
Most African Americans DO NOT SEE WHAT JOE BIDEN SAID
AS “racial viciousness.”
Racial viciousness is remarks like:
“WHO LET THE DOGS OUT”. Myth Robme
“Children should be hired as janitors.” Newt Gingrich
“I am not concerned about the poor.” Myth Robme
“I am not giving black people other people’s money.” Rick Santorum
“poor children have “no habits of working” nor getting paid for
their endeavors “unless it’s illegal.” Newt Gingrich
“Our blacks are so much better than their blacks. ” Ann Coulter
“‘Your Boy,’ the President” Pat Buchanan
“Michelle Obama’s ‘Uppity-Ism” Rush Limbaugh
I want him to show his birth certificate!” Donald Trump
“Slavery Kept Black Families Intact” Michelle Bachman
“Tar Baby” Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.)
NEED I SAY MORE?
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August 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
Michael:
Tiberius is but their latest target/prey. I don’t blame him for telling them to scroll on by.
The thing I find most annoying is how they run in packs like (D)ingo dogs moving in for the kill.
@@
August 15th, 2012
7:19 pm
NEED I SAY MORE?
Well, you could tell me why you think all blacks are poor janitors.
Most of the school janitors I’ve known are of Asian descent. Some Philipinos in the mix.
How do you feel about the lunch room ladies? A pretty diverse group from what I’ve seen.
@@
August 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
Robme Tick:
Are you acquainted with this janitor?
From scrubbing floors to Ivy League: Homeless student to go to dream college
How kewl is that?
Very…
Michael H. Smith
August 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
“It’s what happens when Joe tries to hard”
Old Joe should try a little harder – at telling the truth that is – when it comes to blaming the economics woes of this country on the Republicans. Greenspan, Rubin and Summers lobbied for, and where successful in convincing Congress not to regulate the derivatives market. This occurred under a democrat President, “William Jefferson Clinton”. As Greenspan said we trusted the banks… and we were wrong.
That’s what I’m talking about, Champ.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
7:29 pm
@Michael H. Smith
August 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
“It’s what happens when Joe tries to hard”
_____________________________________________
We LOVE YA JOE.
Obama/Biden in 2012
GO JOE
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
7:33 pm
As Greenspan said we trusted the banks… and we were wrong.
Greenspan is/was a Democrat?
Who knew?
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
7:35 pm
@—-@@
August 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
Robme Tick:
Are you acquainted with this janitor?
From scrubbing floors to Ivy League: Homeless student to go to dream college
How kewl is that?
Very…
__________________________________________
In the richest country NO child should have to endure such conditions.
No, it is not cool.
The money Myth Robme spends on his horse could have taken care of
her and her family.
Children SHOULD NOT BE JANITORS. THEY SHOULD BE CHILDREN.
We will be JUDGED BY THE WAY WE TREATED OUR CHILDREN.
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
7:36 pm
As Greenspan said we trusted the banks…
That just shows he’s not nearly the genius he was made out to be.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
7:41 pm
Hillbilly D
Having a pretty good corn harvest, and I’ve already frozen some 40 odd ears.
Michael H. Smith
August 15th, 2012
7:42 pm
The thing I find most annoying is how they run in packs like (D)ingo dogs moving in for the kill.
I would say that we knew this was coming didn’t we? It has been the plan of these socialist to cover everything we capitalist publish and I think you knew it as well as did I.
However, my response was not for the benefit of these socialist liberal propagandist. It was intended to remind the readers, who are possibly less political mindful or don’t follow politics very much, of what is being done by the left and how they intend attack people like you and me which is the least of their offenses; as nothing should be more irksome to a reader of a blog than being told in a comment not to read or watch something. Let alone what to do with their time.
Then again it defines what I hope readers of this blog shall see for themselves throughout this grueling discourse: The socialist democrat left want to control your rights of life liberty and the pursuits of happiness, while we on the capitalist right want to enhance your of life liberty and the pursuits of happiness rights.
I want people to read, watch and waste as much of their time as they deem necessary to make a choice they think prudent and best for the country. If they do that people like you and I, along with the country as a whole will be the winners in November, @@.
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
Kamchak
That’s good. My field corn did fair but sweet corn was a total loss. It’s all about when you get the rain. I try to always keep a year’s supply of stuff in the freezer, just for times like these.
Speaking of corn harvest, are you getting the hang of when to pull?
Michael H. Smith
August 15th, 2012
7:46 pm
That just shows he’s not nearly the genius he was made out to be.
You’ll get no argument from me on that statement or one that would include Rubin and Summers. As these three were known as “The Committee to Save the World” - is that ever irrational exuberance!?
Michael H. Smith
August 15th, 2012
7:47 pm
Goodnight to all.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
7:50 pm
@—@@
August 15th, 2012
7:19 pm
NEED I SAY MORE?
Well, you could tell me why you think all blacks are poor janitors.
Most of the school janitors I’ve known are of Asian descent. Some Philipinos in the mix.
How do you feel about the lunch room ladies? A pretty diverse group from what I’ve seen.
________________________________________
“Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members.”
“Children should be hired as janitors.” Newt Gingrich
I DID NOT SAY THAT…….NEWT SAID IT.
Children….black, blue, white, green, yellow……it does not matter what color
they SHOULD NOT BE JANITORS.
Matthew 25:40
And God will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one
of the least of these my brothers, you did it to ME.’
@@
August 15th, 2012
7:50 pm
The money Myth Robme spends on his horse could have taken care of
her and her family.
Oh pooh!
Making lemonade out of lemons is more rewarding to a person’s self esteem. Self determination goes a long way in this ol’ world. Anything short of that is just money.
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
7:51 pm
MHS
As Will Rogers said, “An economist’s guess is liable to be as good as anybody else’s.”. That applies equally to bankers, in my opinion.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
7:52 pm
Hillbilly D
I went to my seed and feed guy to asked him if that 90 day rule was set in stone, and he said bring him a sample for a look see. I planted on May 21 so I figured I had until that time this month. After taking a look he advised me to start now. I’ve already lost some to what I suppose are raccoons and the tops of the ears are infested with some gnarly caterpillar looking worm.
@@
August 15th, 2012
8:01 pm
It’s rare that I shuck an ear that doesn’t have a worm.
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
8:03 pm
Kamchak
None of those “day rules” are set in stone for any vegetables. Just use them more as a guide line. I’ve seldom ever seen an ear of corn that didn’t have a worm at the top. When you shuck it, just break off the part with the worm and throw it away and the rest of it will be fine.
For keeping out coons, putting a radio out there at night seems to help. Doesn’t matter if it’s music, talk or whatever, I think the sound of the human voice is all that matters. Works better if you can run it off a drop cord because most batteries won’t last but 3-4 days, in my experience.
For deer, most anything will work until they get used to it and then nothing works. You have to keep changing it up.
For crows, the best thing is a real scarecrow, i.e., kill a crow and tie it on a stake in your corn. That usually slows them down a bit. They’re persistent, though, and nothing keeps them out except killing them and you can’t get ‘em all.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
8:05 pm
MHS
Why not include Reagan and Bush Sr as well?
Just saying
@@
August 15th, 2012
8:07 pm
“Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members.”
So what was the Americans with Disability Act all about?
You’d be surprised to know that my school secures jobs for our students. Some of them love the opportunity. Others not so much.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
8:10 pm
@@, Hillbilly D
Yeah, I just cut the tops off and figured the rest would be fine. I assume commercial growers use insecticide since full ears are available in the supermarket, but I really don’t want to go that way.
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
8:14 pm
Kamchak
I try to shy away from insecticides, especially on corn. Using it on corn can be devastating to whatever local bee population you have.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
8:24 pm
Hillbilly D
The only thing I’ve ever used is on my peas it’s a product called Safer and it’s a soap.
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August 15th, 2012
8:27 pm
@@, Hillbilly D
I wasn’t looking to engage you in conversation, Kamchak.
Had I been, I would’ve just told you to eat worms.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
8:30 pm
I wasn’t looking to engage you in conversation, Kamchak.
Had I been, I would’ve just told you to eat worms.
(Shrug)
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
8:31 pm
Kamchak
I’ve heard of those but never tried them. How well did they work?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 15th, 2012
8:35 pm
Cops: LGBT volunteer shoots conservative group’s guard
(AP) WASHINGTON – A man suspected of shooting and wounding a security guard in the lobby of a Christian lobbying group had been volunteering at a community center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.
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Unfortunately, we can probably expect more such hate-based attacks on decent Americans by libtard scumbags, thanks to Obozo’s and the Democrat’s vitriolic and divisive rhetoric.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
8:39 pm
Hillbilly D
Not too bad. It’s supposed to dry out the insects rather than poison them outright and it’s a soap made of fatty acids, not a detergent. You can treat on the day of harvest, but any time it rains you have to reapply.
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
8:42 pm
Kamchak
That sounds like it might be the way to go. You’d have to reapply most anything after a rain, so that’s not a problem.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 15th, 2012
8:50 pm
Hillbilly D
The label warns against using them on sweet peas but I’ve been using it for the last couple of years on my ham & gravy, purple hull and black-eyed peas.
Hillbilly D
August 15th, 2012
8:59 pm
Kamchak
My major insect problems are tater bugs, bean bugs and those “new” kudzu bugs. Potatoes and beans are what they hit the most. Only trouble I really have for peas is deer. I keep telling all these guys that plant food plots for deer, if they’d just plant peas, they’d have more deer than they knew what to do with.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:46 pm
That’s all I ever planted in my food plots, peas. During the two or three days it took the deer to mow the whole thing to the ground, I saw them sleeping in it. They would come out of the woods while I was sitting in the tree, look right at me, walk over and have dinner. Shaking like a leaf the entire time.
There were just does so I didn’t put a giant hole in them.
SOUTHGADAWGG88
August 15th, 2012
9:54 pm
Obama,Romney,McCain,Bush,Gore,Clinton….Liberal,Conservative,Moderate,Progressive etc.They are all tools for the rich.Every president,congressman or Senator…(Federal or State) could really care less about the “common” folk.They will say anything to get elected,and most think the public is largely stupid.Considering how the public falls for all these “Political” games time and time again.We seem to be proving them right.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
10:09 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 15th, 2012
8:35 pm
Cops: LGBT volunteer shoots conservative group’s guard
(AP) WASHINGTON – A man suspected of shooting and wounding a security guard in the lobby of a Christian lobbying group had been volunteering at a community center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.
————————————
Unfortunately, we can probably expect more such hate-based attacks on decent Americans by libtard scumbags, thanks to Obozo’s and the Democrat’s vitriolic and divisive rhetoric.
____________________________________________________
We can probably expect more FROM Republican pro-life people who have killed doctors, innocent
people and bombed clinics.
Thanks to Republican’s vitriolic and divisive rhetoric.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
10:21 pm
SOUTHGADAWGG88,
Bravo!!!
You said more in one paragraph than most of these bloggers here have said………………ever.
Helen Morgan
August 15th, 2012
10:27 pm
This is from a registered democrat widow woman who has been out of work for 13 months. I seem to remeber Obama saying when he pussed the stimulus package through ” if the unemployment is not down below 8% after my firstt term then don’t vote for me” well guess what I am doing just what he requested. For the first time in all my years of voting I am swiching. He has been in office for 3+ years and has not presented a budget yet. Put through all these executive mandates, not voted on. People our country is in real bad shape. Oh! by the way, my Mom who is 76 years old was just informed by her Doctor he is no longer taking Medicare patients. The Obama health care cut medicare reimbursments to the doctors by $700 Million Dollars. Go online and educate yourself about it. You also will pay 3.5% when you sell your house.
MarkV
August 15th, 2012
10:35 pm
Helen Morgan @ 10:27 pm
“The Obama health care cut medicare reimbursments to the doctors by $700 Million Dollars.Go online and educate yourself about it. You also will pay 3.5% when you sell your house.”
People who believe these lies no doubt will vote against Obama. Hopefully there will be some better educated voters.
ld
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
Captialism has been corrupted so very much by the power of the money of the wealthiest among us that it is well on its way to destroying our economic system (evidence the recent crisis w/i the financial services industry).
The US has had a consumer based economy for decades. W/power obtained by trading individual liberty and abandoning the concept of “less intrusive government” w/regard to individual, personal, social issues –that concept now seems to apply only to profit$ — the GOP has now so drastically skewed tax laws and other laws, rules and regulations to benefit the wealthiest among us –the moneyed investor-employer class — that it has done substantial, perhaps even irreversible damage to the employee class, which by the way is also the bulk of the consumer class.
It is the obscene* greed of the moneyed, investor-employer class in pursuit of joining that coveted top economic 1% that has prevented the employee class from thriving.
I am NOT an Obama fan and have not been since he opted to follow Bush’s lead and repeat the Bush stupidity of bailing out the corrupt financial industry (and, by doing so, also, indirectly at least, bailing out their corrupt co-consipirators w/i the co-mingled insurance industry), WITHOUT even getting to the truth of what occurred, without prosecuting the bad actors, and, just as important, without any meaningful concessions from the bad actors or laws from Congress or any reform of any kind or nature to assure the debacle would not happen again before handling over billion$.
That said, however, it is the GOP and their ANTI-EMPLOYEE CLASS agenda that has destroyed this economy– NOT any political agenda on the part of the current president.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
@Helen Morgan
August 15th, 2012
10:27 pm
This is from a registered democrat widow woman who has been out of work for 13 months. I seem to remeber Obama saying when he pussed the stimulus package through ” if the unemployment is not down below 8% after my firstt term then don’t vote for me” well guess what I am doing just what he requested. For the first time in all my years of voting I am swiching. He has been in office for 3+ years and has not presented a budget yet. Put through all these executive mandates, not voted on. People our country is in real bad shape. Oh! by the way, my Mom who is 76 years old was just informed by her Doctor he is no longer taking Medicare patients. The Obama health care cut medicare reimbursments to the doctors by $700 Million Dollars. Go online and educate yourself about it. You also will pay 3.5% when you sell your house.
_____________________________________________
THE GREAT MEDICARE LIE: The Obama health care cut medicare reimbursments to the doctors by $700 Million Dollars.
It is not a cut.
It is all propoganda. Its a lie.
Paul Ryan wants to give seniors a MEDICARE voucher and when the money is spent
YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.
Do not be fooled by the Republican deception.
Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
ld
August 15th, 2012
11:23 pm
*OBSCENE:
* When the wealthiest among us hoard wealth so great they’d actually have to work at spending all of it on anything they actually needed or actually personally used, then that greed is more obscene than the most vile xxx porn flick in no small part because there are actually people in America that have worked all their lives until they were unable to continue working but that are now living in near squallor and having to decide between food and medicine and doing without the basic necessities needed for a life with dignity — such things as dental care, that Medicare does not cover, and needed prescription eyeglasses, that Medicare does not cover (only exam), and heating fuel and transportation that might enable them to shop at a less expensive store than the corner “convenience” store. Some of these people have even fought to defend this country.
Such is the TRUE “morality” of the GOP — the party of the rich. The religion inspired laws being pushed by the GOP (anti gay laws and anti women’s “free will”/individual libery laws) are payment to the religious zealots for going to the polls and voting for the GOP, usually contrary to their own best economic interest.
The actual EFFECT of GOP policy is to all but abandon the least among us in favor of actively working to make the wealthy, wealthier still– working to make it even harder for them to get their camel through the eye of that needle into “heaven”.
The hypocrisy of this is loathsome.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
11:26 pm
@MarkV
August 15th, 2012
10:35 pm
________________________________________
The misinformation from the Republicans about MEDICARE is SHAMEFUL.
My heart breaks for people like Helen.
May God help and protect us from the devil’s deception.
ld
August 15th, 2012
11:30 pm
What Makes Myth:
I am an Indepentent Progressive and not an Obama fan.
Obamacare IS a boondoggle but not because it was passed by the Dems with the intent that it be. As soon as the GOP once again win the political triple crown and have enough votes in Congress, expect that it will work to strip away all consumer aid and protections and leave only the requirment that consumers buy an overpriced product from and unregulated industry or go to jail for a “Robert’s” tax evasion.
The boondoggle the GOP turns Obamacare into will hurt the most the very people it was intended to help. When the poorest of the poor are jailed for not paying the”Robert’s” tax, they will also no longer be able to vote.
GT4EVER
August 15th, 2012
11:32 pm
Capitalism is an intricate pyramid scheme designed by the wealthy to benefit the wealthy.It can not survive without a huge infusion of government spending every 20 or so years.This is the reason the United States is the only Capitalist nation in the world.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
11:49 pm
@Helen Morgan 10:27 pm
“The Obama health care cut medicare reimbursments to the doctors by $700 Million Dollars.Go online and educate yourself about it. You also will pay 3.5% when you sell your house.”
____________________________________________________
We should remind ourselves that the essence of deceptive lies that
The Obama health care cut medicare by $700 Million Dollars.is that
something appears to be what it is not; or conversely,
that something is not what it appears to be.
John
August 16th, 2012
3:12 am
Wow, just saw this movie and my jaw hit the ground. Reading this review sounds like the author is trying to make people not want to see the movie! This movie will shock you! You must see it.
jimbo
August 16th, 2012
6:38 am
I wish I had the 3 minutes back it took me to read this. Wingfiled is barely competent to write for a high-school newspaper – but hey, he’s balance.
Thomas Heyward Jr
August 16th, 2012
6:54 am
I already know what Obama is.
Ditto Romney.
Both statists to the core.
.
I’m saving my money for ……..”Red Dawn 2″.
Rightwing Troll
August 16th, 2012
7:08 am
For the wingnuts gleeful over another shooting: It’s nice to know that another shooting could put a little spring in your step, lord knows you angry, unhappy sots need a little more happiness in your miserable lives… but it’s just sad and pathetic that it takes someone being shot to make you happy. While you (finally) get to crow about a “libural” taking up arms and shooting an innocent to make a political point, please take note of the body count. Your morally superior, unhinged masses still have much higher numbers due to your propensity to turn to violence and penis enhancers when things don’t go your way.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 16th, 2012
7:17 am
Mitt Romney is portraying outwardly calm President Barack Obama as a man seething with animosity and power lust as the Republicans seek to undermine one of the Democrat’s greatest campaign strengths – his personal likability. -A Pee
I wonder which political party the Associated Press belongs to?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 16th, 2012
7:22 am
“2016″ is the kind of movie libtards hoped to be able to ban. The Citizens United decision struck down a campaign finance law that Democrats had used to ban a movie critical of Hillary Clinton.
Sorry, liberal fascists; your movie-banning days are over.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 16th, 2012
7:56 am
Methinks “penis enhancers” might just projecting itself on others.
It speaks from experience.
Tombo
August 16th, 2012
6:00 pm
When the Democrats took over both houses of Congress in 2006, the unemployment rate under yes, George Bush, was 4.6 percent. Didn’t long for the Dems and Obama to really turn things around to get to 4 years of over 8 percent. Good ole Hope and Change at work I guess.
JD
August 18th, 2012
6:02 am
I’m an independent and I think you wrote a well balanced piece here. Good job!
Mister Christopher
August 19th, 2012
2:05 am
“(Here, I must acknowledge I haven’t read “Dreams” and can’t say whether D’Souza is cherry-picking Obama’s quotes or taking them out of context; if he did, however, he has given his critics a huge tool to use in discrediting him.)”
I’ve yet to met ONE (1) Obama voter who read either of Jugears McF-Stick’s books. Not one.
Harry
August 19th, 2012
9:05 am
Saw the film yesterday. At least sonebody has done some research into Obama and his thought processes. I doubt many of his die – hard supporters know much of anything about him. They just assume things and project all their feelings onto him because of his racial makeup.
Much of the film has obama speaking from his audiobook Dreams from…
Obama sr was a man of questionable character, to be generous.