2012 Tuesday: ‘2016′ says we don’t know the president we elected in 2008
At a friend’s request, I went to the theater Sunday to see “2016: Obama’s America” (it’s true, I’m not the most political person I know). The movie, if you haven’t heard, is the work of Dinesh D’Souza, the Indian-born conservative commentator and college president whose 2010 book, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” argued the president’s world view was shaped heavily by his anti-colonialist Kenyan father.
I’m no movie critic, so I’ll spare you my thoughts on the cinematography (I’ll only note that D’Souza worked on the film with Hollywood veteran Gerald R. Molen, and it shows in the film’s production quality). The movie’s about our president’s past and what that means for our future, and I’ll focus on that.
D’Souza dispenses early on with any notions of birtherism, noting briefly, but pointedly, that Obama was born in Hawaii. Instead, he makes the far more interesting argument that what’s foreign is Obama’s ideology, shaped in absentia by a father he barely knew. His evidence for his claim is two-fold: Excerpts from Obama’s own autobiography, “Dreams From My Father” (the film liberally quotes from the audio version of the book, narrated by Obama himself), and footage from D’Souza’s travels to the places of Obama’s youth, Hawaii and Indonesia, as well as to Kenya. There are also phone conversations, videotaped on both ends, with sociologists such as Shelby Steele who try to explain what makes Obama tick.
What D’Souza turns up on his trips is often less than compelling: Brief doesn’t begin to describe what he gets from an interview with a retired Hawaii professor who knew Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham; a lengthier exchange with Obama’s half-brother, George, in Nairobi ultimately fails to land a blow on the president. But that’s not to say there’s no substance to the story.
Briefly, D’Souza’s narrative goes like this: The elder Obama was an anti-colonialist (this much is confirmed in interviews with a pair of his contemporaries; Obama Sr. of course died in a car wreck in 1982) whose antipathy toward Kenya’s British rulers was distinct from America’s earlier rebellion from the British in that it was also a rejection of the West and capitalism. Dunham (who died in 1995) fervently transferred these beliefs to a young Barack — and even sent him home to Hawaii from Indonesia when her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, took a job with a U.S. oil company and got a little too friendly with actual breathing capitalists. Back in Hawaii, her father arranged for young Barack to have a mentor named Frank Marshall Davis, a writer and card-carrying Communist who was on the FBI’s radar. From there, we hear of Obama’s adult associations with which we’re more familiar, including Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
This is a vetting of Obama’s background that, D’Souza plausibly argues, was given short shrift in the 2008 campaign. For instance, D’Souza notes that Obama’s famous speech about race relations, to address the steady stream of Wright’s controversial statements (uncovered, let’s remember, while he was still contesting the Democratic primary against Hillary Clinton), was a deflection from the collectivist black liberation theology that laced Wright’s incendiary sermons. That, D’Souza claims, allowed Obama to keep his dealings with Marxists mostly out of the public eye on his way to the White House.
It is a vetting that is worthwhile for anyone interested in current U.S. politics, if only because it is so reliant on Obama’s own words. (Here, I must acknowledge I haven’t read “Dreams” and can’t say whether D’Souza is cherry-picking Obama’s quotes or taking them out of context; if he did, however, he has given his critics a huge tool to use in discrediting him.) As an immigrant from another former British colony who is the same age as Obama, D’Souza presents an intriguing figure with alternating sympathy for and critique of anti-colonialism.
That’s the first half of the movie. From there, D’Souza delves into purely political commentary and prognostication that most likely will resonate with you, or not, in close correlation with your own political leanings. I won’t spoil his conclusions, but I will say they err toward the most pessimistic, even conspiratorial end of the right side of the spectrum.
If there’s a tragic aspect of the film, it’s that the only people likely to see it are those who have already made up their minds against Barack Obama. It deserves as well an airing among his supporters and those precious few who are unsure about him, to point out where they think D’Souza is wrong and consider the ways he might be right.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
4:49 pm
Slick Rick,
More self delusion and willful ignorance. If you don’t believe D’Souza then don’t. Your willful decision not to vet your nominee is no skin off our neck. I know you will not read Obama’s autobiography either, because the quotes are there, about how he seemed to always gravitate toward the Marxist professors and other incendiary things.
Typical liberal response from my liberal friends no matter what you tell them, “I never heard that”, implying it can’t be true because we have not heard it.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
4:51 pm
Aquagirl,
We had some crops rotting in the fields. I was still able to go into the grocery store and readily get watermelons, canteloupes, strawberries, peaches, and peanuts. As a matter of fact the AJC did a writeup on a local grower who hired an all local workforce and got his crop picked. It wasn’t easy but they did it. But I think you missed my point which is simply that the pickers moved on to pick in other states and counties when the job was done. We live in a mobile society ya know. They didn’t sit around asking to be paid the rest of the year.
Aquagirl I am all for having a safety net program. Most conservatives are. What we are not for is the welfare lifestyle becoming a lifestyle for people and for many people in in fact has become exactly that. And its not right to ask one group of taxpayers to support others who only want to work 8-9 months out of the year. There is absolutely no reason why many of these people cannot get similar paying jobs the other 3-4 months out of the year. And if Branson, MO. businesses don’t pay people enough money then it needs to be explained to their employees that they cannot claim welfare for 3-4 months. Many of them will either find work elsewhere or simply tell those businesses thanks but no thanks. At that point those businesses would then have to ante up more money to those employees to get them to come to work for only 9 months or be creative and do something such as pay them a retroactive bonus for coming back to work after a 3-4 month layoff that would compensate them for the time out of work. But it shouldn’t be on the taxpayer to pay for people to routinely sit on their butts for 3-4 months year after year after year.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:51 pm
Rafe
Google Dinesh S’Souza lies. Whether you admit it or not, he has told several regarding Obama, so quit your crying and moaning if someone isn’t too keen on what he has to say.
He is a weak Michael Moore. Same coin, different side
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
“Typical liberal response from my liberal friends no matter what you tell them, “I never heard that”, implying it can’t be true because we have not heard it.”
But it is automatically true because Dinesh said it and some right leaning pundits parroted it?
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
4:58 pm
Aquagirl
You said somewhere back that there were not that many of “those” people with the entitlement mentality. 37% or something close, now have a close family member on some type of government assistance, however, that was not my point. “Those” people is a term used by both sides.
I meant that almost 50% of the people seem to advocate for more taxes, not a small number as you alleged. No matter how much the producers pay, more is requested. We have a permanent subset of people out there who constantly complain about people who find a way to pay less. No matter how much money the government steals, wastes, and misuses, the answer is higher taxes on, “those” people.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:01 pm
From reading here today, I have discovered a most probable fact. 95% of liberals posting here today were imported from Greece. Don’t you think so? It is obvious they have what seems to be the Greek ethic i.e. we don’t have to work hard and the government shall not cut our benefits! More! More!
But even the Greeks do not have trillions in debt and they are close to bankruptcy. Then there’s Spain and Ireland .
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. They may bring bankruptcy and that is just like liberals. .
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:04 pm
Going
I am not supporting D’Souza and am not planning on seeing the movie, Kyle’s good write up supplied what little interest I had. I would never accuse anyone of lying without investigating the issue, however.
The point is, deny all you want about Obama and his ideology, but he explains it in his best selling autobiography, so how do you willfully ignore that? Do you think he lied there as well?
Rob W.
August 14th, 2012
5:08 pm
All of these things were fortold but had to be aligned to bring the truth into the light. After all of this strife I am glad I have my church body and Jesus to rest with. Gone is the days when we hoped for a country that stood out from the rest of the world. Maybe it was a fantasy after all, but, have we all drifted off subject? The question is if this video is true, is this what we are going to be left with in 2016?
Aint that a sham
August 14th, 2012
5:09 pm
Someone is getting in over their head in the 3ft. Hope he has his floaties on, Dusty.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:12 pm
Rafe
I have researched the man when his book came out. He does lie.
If that is good enough for you, so be it.
As for politicians. Not many do not lie, including Obama. So not sure how you excuse Dinesh because someone else is also has lied.
You want a list of some of Romney’s lies and flip flips or are you naive enough to think they were all taken out of context?
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
5:16 pm
Many of them will either find work elsewhere or simply tell those businesses thanks but no thanks. At that point those businesses would then have to ante up more money to those employees to get them to come to work for only 9 months or be creative
And there’s the problem…in this economy businesses hold the cards. They don’t have to ante up more money or be creative. When the admissions booth worker loses their house, it doesn’t affect their business bottom line one bit. Your property values WILL drop.
If those people are so lazy, why are they working 9 months instead of collecting welfare year round? That’s the part that drives the Pecan Grower guy up the wall—thanks to talkie radio and Faux News he thinks those lazy %$! workers are just loving the $250 a week unemployment lifestyle. There’s an assumption of malicious intent created by self-admitted entertainers making piles of money fanning the hate.
Yet we still need people for these seasonal jobs, they’re vital to our economy and telling those little people to go eat cake is not gonna work. By now it should be obvious to even the most stubborn libertarian our economy is connected and not well structured for the 21st century.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:16 pm
Rafe, 4:58
Keep giving ‘em the facts! Wealth envy is so obvious among the most liberal here. LIke you said, higher taxes on the wealthy seems to be their only answer. They don’t even want to realize that rich people are already paying the larger part of taxes.
Not to worry though!! Aquagirl is going to turn over all her riches to the government and that will take care of The Debt!!!! Yes!!! A noble gesture indeed!!!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
5:19 pm
“And there’s the problem…in this economy businesses hold the cards. ”
Correction: In EVERY economy business holds the cards. It is called capitalism, so deal with it.
wallbanger
August 14th, 2012
5:20 pm
Come on liberals. Just go see the movie. Suspend your Obama worship for just 2 hours, and let some sunlight into your dim brains.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:23 pm
going going gone. 5:12
How about you giving us a list of Obama’s lies while you are counting the so called Romney lies?
Now that would be even more interesting than a one sided listing.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:25 pm
Dusty
You go Romney. I will go Obama. Don’t be scared. Water will not be any higher than a few feet. Going to make this easy for you.
You first.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
5:27 pm
@Michael H. Smith
August 14th, 2012
4:31 pm
“Given the womb to yet tomb Marxism that has and continues to encapsulate Obama”
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH…….
“I suggest you go and see the movie, then research all the information independently and form your own opinions and judgements”
I would rather see THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON.
It is also FICTION.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
5:28 pm
As a matter of fact the AJC did a writeup on a local grower who hired an all local workforce and got his crop picked.
How much did he pay them? I bet they wouldn’t work as cheap as illegals and guest workers, which is where the rub comes in. When the farmers (and it’s usually the big farmers, not the small ones) complain that they can’t find help, what they mean is they can”t find help at the price they want to pay. They want to find a cheap labor source and by-pass supply and demand. That’s why they want a “guest-worker” program, even though we already have one, because the program we have costs them more than they want to pay. What they want is a modern version of the old sharecropper system, which while a good plan in theory, was really rife with abuses.
I read a thing here on AJC, last summer I think it was about the largest cucumber farmer in Georgia and how his cucumbers were “rotting in the fields”. Supposedly he couldn’t find anybody to pick them but he made a very telling statement, (paraphrase), “They don’t want to pick them and I’m not going to pick them, so they’ll rot”. If I had cucumbers rotting in a field, I wouldn’t be able to pick them all but I’d get off my ass and get me a bucket and start picking and pick what I could. I wouldn’t think I was too good to pick cucumbers.
Entitlement mentality runs both ways.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:30 pm
Speaking of lies, Obama said today, the auto industry is roaring back. The CBO has just increased the amount taxpayers are on the hook for, to about 2 Billion. GM sales are in the crapper. If he didn’t lie, he couldn’t talk and talk and talk and talk.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
Teachers unions exist in GA?
They can negotiate, strike, etc?
Since when?
I know they are “represented” by union groups and affiliates, but they do not have a union unless that changed recently.
Learn the difference and come back for discussion.
Thanks
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:32 pm
Aquagirl,
People have been doing seasonal work since the dawn of time seeing as how agriculture in and of itself can be deemed as seasonal work. People either lived below their means and made their income or food stores last over 12 months as opposed to 8 or 9 or they simply took a better job that provides work year round. Seems a lot of liberals never learned the story of the ant and the grasshopper. A child understands the concept. Why don’t liberals? Bottom line is that we shouldn’t be paying people to routinely not work 3-4 months out of the year.
As for laziness I never said these people were lazy. I am stating however that by the laws of human nature if you pay someone for a few months to not work then guess what? They are either not going to work or even look for work.
As for the $250 a week lifestyle I did a case study on this since labor economics was my thing as an econ major in college. You’re looking at it the wrong way. The $250 a week equates to about $6.25 an hour for 40 hours. Now lets take these cafeteria workers and say that they can get a job at Burger King making $9 an hour. The difference is $2.75 and hour. Intuitively this person knows that that if they take that job they are really working for $2.75 an hour and not really $9 an hour. The reason being is that they would have received the $6.25 an hour for doing nothing to begin with. People know this and would rather sit at home and relax then get up and flip burgers for a measley gain of only $2.75 an hour in income over and above what they were making doing nothing. When you look at it in this context its no wonder that most of these people can’t or won’t get similar paying jobs when their 8-9 months of work is up. The incentive to do so is simply not there. Not if someone is going to give you $1,000 a month for doing nothing. And this is something myself and any labor economist has known and will readily tell you.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:34 pm
Get schooled
See the Blog host’s article from back in March
http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/03/03/do-unionized-teachers-really-produce-better-results/
Make a step in your life and allow facts to be your friend
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:36 pm
Dusty
Hold on to this side. I will not allow you to drown.
Waiting for you to start the game. You post Romney lies and flip flops, I will in turn do the same for Obama
Ready?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:36 pm
Hillbilly
You are right about the entitlement mentality running both ways. This cucumber farmer probably had
“government supported crop insurance”. Most row crop farmers do have it and it is heavily subsidized. I had a cousin, who worked for a crop insurance company, he said their were two types of farmers these days, real for profit farmers and just as many “insurance” farmers. So, once again government entitlements screwing up America.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
5:37 pm
@Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:04 pm
Going
I am not supporting D’Souza and am not planning on seeing the movie, Kyle’s good write up supplied what little interest I had. I would never accuse anyone of lying without investigating the issue, however.
The point is, deny all you want about Obama and his ideology, but he explains it in his best selling autobiography, so how do you willfully ignore that? Do you think he lied there as well?
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Myth Robme Lies:
1. Romney claimed President Obama “went before the United Nations” and “said nothing about thousands of rockets being rained in on Israel from the Gaza Strip.”
The claim isn’t even close to being right.
2. Romney said Democrats “passed Dodd-Frank,” which “has made it almost impossible for community banks.”
He’s has said this before, and it’s still completely untrue.
3. Romney continues to insist, “Our Navy is now smaller than any time since 1917.”
It’s one of his favorite talking points, but it’s wildly misleading.
4. Romney boasted, “I did not inherit what my wife and I have, nor did she. What I was able to build, I built the old-fashioned way, by earning it, by working hard.”
In reality, he inherited quite a bit from his wealthy, powerful parents.
5. Attacking Newt Gingrich, Romney said of House Republicans, “They also took a vote, and 88 percent of Republicans voted to reprimand the speaker, and he did resign in disgrace after that.”
That’s not really what happened.
6. Romney said, “We have $15 trillion of debt. We’re headed to a Greece- type collapse, and he adds another trillion [dollars] on top for Obamacare and for his stimulus plan that didn’t create private-sector jobs.”
Our debt problem has no resemblance to Greece’s; the Affordable Care Act reduces the debt; and the stimulus added millions of private-sector jobs.
7. Describing his state-based health-care law, Romney said, “At the time we crafted it, I was asked time and again, ‘Is this something that you would have the federal government do?’ I said absolutely not. I do not support a federal mandate.”
Reality shows the exact opposite is true.
8. Going after Obama, Romney said, “We shouldn’t forget that for two years, this President had a Congress that could do everything he wanted.”
Republicans love this, but it’s plainly false.
9. Again commenting on Obama’s record, Romney argued, “If you want to get the economy going, lower corporate tax rates. He’s raised them.”
It’s one of the more transparent lies Romney has told.
10. Asked about his investments in Freddie Mac, Romney told Fox News, “My investments, of course, are managed not by me. For the last 10 years they’ve been guided and managed by a trustee, they’re in a blind trust. And the trustee invested in mutual funds and so forth and apparently one of the funds had Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac bonds.”
He’s lying again.
11. Romney argued, “I didn’t get involved in politics early in my life,” adding he didn’t “politically involved” until after he ran the 2002 Olympics.
Romney ran for the U.S. Senate in 1994. He might remember spending $7 million of his own money on the race.
12. Asked to explain his 1992 vote in a Democratic primary, Romney said, “I’ve never voted for a Democrat when there was a Republican on the ballot.”
That’s not only untrue, it’s a story Romney has changed literally five times.
13. After winning the Florida primary, Romney argued, “On one of the most personal matters of our lives, our health care, President Obama would turn decision making over to government bureaucrats.”
Even for Romney, this is kind of dishonesty is just brazen.
14. After receiving Donald Trump’s endorsement yesterday, Romney, commenting on President Obama and the economy, said, “He’s frequently telling us that he did not cause the recession, and that’s true. But he made it worse.”
Not only is the economy much stronger than it was, even Mitt Romney himself has repeatedly said the economy has improved since Obama took office.
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:39 pm
Aquagirl,
The twenty first century will rise just as well as the people that rise with it. American had some great founders. Human nature has not changed. There will be good, bad and the evil.
OUr best hope is to encourage good minds, good character and a faith in good things. If we can do that, the future here is exciting and advanced. I haven’t given up yet but some days……the sun just doesn’t shine…For real! Seems like it has been raining here for a week!
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:42 pm
Hillbilly D,
He paid them the same as the illegals- by the bushel or in the case I was thinking of by the crate. I think it was strawberries. Anyway though the illegals were so proficient, hardworking, and fast that they were making about $140 a day on average picking- a pile of dough to the average illegal. The average Georgian that the farmer hired was making $40-$50 a day. They just weren’t as fast or as acclimated as the Hispanic illegals. Took a lot more breaks and were just slower is all.
And a lot of the natives quit. They had a prison release program to allow prisoners to come pick if I remember correctly or maybe it was men who had just been paroled. They were the first ones to quit and a few of them quit within an hour to 3 hours. Didn’t even make it a day. If it was me I would much rather pick at my own pace and make $50 a day then be a parolee going home to make zero money. And God knows even if it is hot I just love being outside. Which is why I work an inside job.
I did notice the same thing with this farmer though. He and his family sure as hell weren’t willing to do the work. If it was me I woulda hired all the neighbors kids, made my kids pick, cousins, anybody and everybody and I woulda picked sunup to sundown 7 days a week.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
Rafe
I forget where the site is but there is a government website where you can go and see what amount of farm subsidies have been paid to people, by zip code, in the last 10 years. Last year, I think it was, when all this was being discussed, I went to it and looked up the two closest zip codes to me. The top 10 in those zip codes, for a total of 20 people/companies was quite interesting. Three or four of them were getting subsidies for land in other states, one was a former county elected official, who is retired, with a quite nice pension from those years in office, one was a man awaiting sentencing (now incarcerated) for actions taken in his primary line of work, and three or four of them actually made a living from farming.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
the Affordable Care Act reduces the debt; and the stimulus added millions of private-sector jobs.
Man of many screen names,
speaking of lies! Is that the best you got?
JamVet
August 14th, 2012
5:47 pm
Imagine that, this movie is a total flop.
But then look who “created” it.
To the point where the faithful have to beg non neocons to go see it.
Otay…
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
Thulsa
We may be talking about two separate cases because it was definitely cucumbers, in the one I’m talking about. And they all pay by a piece rate, agriculture is one of the industries that’s exempt from minimum wage.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
You are right about the entitlement mentality running both ways. This cucumber farmer probably had
“government supported crop insurance”.
Hillbilly D,
Yes. That was the other thing that Rafe pointed out. I wonder if getting bailed by the govt doesn’t ensure that welfare entitlement runs both ways also. Sho enough it looks like a 2 ways street on the entitlement mentality. And one last thing on that note. I have a friend whose dad is a huge tomato farmer in S. Carolina. They have a little family tomato stand on the side of the road. They make some decent money on that and that money is tax free from what he tells me. Same with the little stand about 200 yds from where I live. It looks like a very small family stand and just good ole country folks trying to make an honest dollar. The reality is that the farmer that owns it is one of the wealthiest men in the county and I’ld be willing to bet that in that little country stand that always seems to have people in it that they don’t pay any taxes on those proceeds.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Dusty
Water is nice and only three feet. I have some floaties, fins and snorkel for you.
Guess you decided that you were unwilling or unable to play the game. You wanted me to play and I wanted was for you to join in.
Figured you were unable, however I was willing to offer you a chance
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Going going gone 5:36
I don’t keep a count of everybody’s lies. I’m not a paid political blogger.
You brought this up. You finish it. List Obama’s lies.
Myth has already told us his lies at 5:37. As he said, it was all LIES LIES LIES (that he was spreading around.). He beat you to the draw on DNC propaganda material.
Thulsa Doom
August 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Hillbilly,
We are talking about 2 different cases. I’m pretty sure it was strawberries but if it was cucumbers I would have remembered. But the farmer’s mentality in general is usually the same except that in the one case that I speak of the farmer definitely made a big effort to hire local georgians- advertising, spreading the word, etc. But he was the only farmer around trying hard to recruit local pickers. Nobody else seemed to care much.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
Hillbilly
I have been to that website, I know of what you speak. Some of the big farmers down in south GA, exceed the max amount they can legally accept from the government, so when you look down the list you find their wives, sons, daughters, etc each getting the max. Scandal, yes, but typical government program. Every time they try to eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse, the farmers make adjustments.
My cousin, the crop insurance adjuster, said often to get crop failure payments, the insurance farmers, plant less seed than recommended, do not fertilize, and do not rotate their crops. They then wait for a dry spell and call in a total crop failure and demand insurance payment. His job was to investigate claims and he couldn’t work anywhere near where he lived.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
Dusty
Try your hand at google, bing or yahoo and list Romney’s lies and flips flops. Don’t get so easily distracted by others, especially when you are used to staying in the kiddie pool.
Start with Romney and I follow with Obama. We are both going to have a long list.
Problem is that, you are afraid to look up Romney’s lies and flips flops because the truth is something that is not usually your friend.
I have the Obama list ready.
Now take a few minutes and see if you are able to do the exercise or continue to cry about it. Your choice
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
going going gone.
Forget the water bit. You couldn’t save a tadpole in a fish bowl. Obviously! Do better or your pay gets docked.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
ByteMe: I’m shocked! A conservative takes a pessimistic view of Obama. Shocked, I say!!
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40 months of 8-10% unemployment.
Fewer jobs today than when Obozo took office.
100 million Americans on the dole.
$1.5 budget deficits every year.
More debt in three-plus years of Obozo than in eight years of Our President Bush.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
Dusty
You go under so easily without your talking points and generalities.
Again, stay in the shallows because that is best you are capable of doing at this point in your life.
You might be the good at poetry, but political blogs and anything besides, “they call Romney and even you names, Kyle………” and taking points is the best you have ever mustered here or at Bookman’s.
But you have a great day.
Bless his heart
Aquagirl
August 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
People have been doing seasonal work since the dawn of time seeing as how agriculture in and of itself can be deemed as seasonal work.
We no longer have an agrarian society or economy. Comparing a bus driver to a 16th century farmer doesn’t really work. A lot of those 16th century seasonal workers starved to death or died of other causes before they were 40. Once again, your argument “hey, it worked before!” isn’t a selling point.
lets take these cafeteria workers and say that they can get a job at Burger King making $9 an hour. The difference is $2.75 and hour.
I totally concede the point if people are only going to make $2.75 per hour for working vs. not working, they’re more likely to sit at home and collect unemployment. The business world has become like our society, lots of low paying jobs at the bottom, a few big ones at the top, and fewer in-between. Most conservatives seem okay with this. They worship the Wal-Mart model. I don’t.
Corporations (including those Branson businesses) collect corporate welfare when business cycles take a downturn. Maybe you should read the Ant and the Grasshopper story to some of those execs. They expect government help and get a hell of a lot more than those bus drivers.
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Rafe, Thulsa
There was a program on PBS, I think it was, a few years back about two college students who wanted to see what farming was like, from a business standpoint. Of course, they had no land or equipment, so they leased a very small amount (seems like less than 5 acres) and planted corn. Now granted, they didn’t know much about what they were doing and had to hire plowing, etc. since they had no tractor. This was in the corn belt, somewhere. Anyway, they managed to make a small crop and sell it after harvest but, as you would guess, they lost money. I think this whole thing may have been part of a college project. Anyway, they talked to various farmers about what they had done wrong and one guy was pretty interesting. His first question was, “Did you boys apply for your subsidies?” They told him they didn’t know about that and he told that’s why they didn’t make a profit. As he said, “None of us would”.
I saw another thing, way back about a guy who sold crop insurance in one of the drier parts of Oklahoma. He insured corn crops and they were after him because nearly everybody’s crop always failed. One local farmer was interviewed and they asked him why he didn’t grow corn. He said he didn’t grow corn because that part of Oklahoma didn’t get enough average rainfall, to grow corn.
I reckon, in a nutshell, everything is a frigging mess, with everything.
Dusty
August 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Hillbilly D,
You think I could get some recompense on my tomatoes? They are not thriving. I should have planted water lilies.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
@Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
August 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
the Affordable Care Act reduces the debt; and the stimulus added millions of private-sector jobs.
Man of many screen names,
speaking of lies! Is that the best you got?
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WHAT YOU GOT?
SlickRick
August 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Oh, Rafe – I believe I’ve said this before but it bears repeating: one of us is right, and one of us is wrong. Hint: I’m not wrong on this.
Going Going Gone
August 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Kyle
Get the word out on this movie. It needs all the help it can get with its lackluster box office revenue. Free market man like you can see that this movie is not nor will be much of a money maker.
I might catch it on Red Box or when the Sci Fi channel runs it along with ET and Poltergeist.
later duded
Hillbilly D
August 14th, 2012
6:12 pm
Dusty
This is a bad year for everything. Worst I’ve seen in many years. Folks like me and you, we just have to suck it up and hope for a better year, next year. And not to be the bearer of bad news but since the drought came back this year, I can’t ever remember seeing a one year drought. So it may be a while before we see our gardens thrive again.
That’s why the lessons of the seven years of plenty and seven years of famine are ones that folks would do well to remember.
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:15 pm
I don’t have a job because the economy’s bad, the economy’s bad because I don’t have a job.
Why did they ship my job to China?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 14th, 2012
6:18 pm
It was never your job.
mike
August 14th, 2012
6:19 pm
What could have possibly happened to our economy between the longest peacetime expansion and 2008?