2012 Tuesday: ‘2016′ says we don’t know the president we elected in 2008
At a friend’s request, I went to the theater Sunday to see “2016: Obama’s America” (it’s true, I’m not the most political person I know). The movie, if you haven’t heard, is the work of Dinesh D’Souza, the Indian-born conservative commentator and college president whose 2010 book, “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” argued the president’s world view was shaped heavily by his anti-colonialist Kenyan father.
I’m no movie critic, so I’ll spare you my thoughts on the cinematography (I’ll only note that D’Souza worked on the film with Hollywood veteran Gerald R. Molen, and it shows in the film’s production quality). The movie’s about our president’s past and what that means for our future, and I’ll focus on that.
D’Souza dispenses early on with any notions of birtherism, noting briefly, but pointedly, that Obama was born in Hawaii. Instead, he makes the far more interesting argument that what’s foreign is Obama’s ideology, shaped in absentia by a father he barely knew. His evidence for his claim is two-fold: Excerpts from Obama’s own autobiography, “Dreams From My Father” (the film liberally quotes from the audio version of the book, narrated by Obama himself), and footage from D’Souza’s travels to the places of Obama’s youth, Hawaii and Indonesia, as well as to Kenya. There are also phone conversations, videotaped on both ends, with sociologists such as Shelby Steele who try to explain what makes Obama tick.
What D’Souza turns up on his trips is often less than compelling: Brief doesn’t begin to describe what he gets from an interview with a retired Hawaii professor who knew Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham; a lengthier exchange with Obama’s half-brother, George, in Nairobi ultimately fails to land a blow on the president. But that’s not to say there’s no substance to the story.
Briefly, D’Souza’s narrative goes like this: The elder Obama was an anti-colonialist (this much is confirmed in interviews with a pair of his contemporaries; Obama Sr. of course died in a car wreck in 1982) whose antipathy toward Kenya’s British rulers was distinct from America’s earlier rebellion from the British in that it was also a rejection of the West and capitalism. Dunham (who died in 1995) fervently transferred these beliefs to a young Barack — and even sent him home to Hawaii from Indonesia when her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, took a job with a U.S. oil company and got a little too friendly with actual breathing capitalists. Back in Hawaii, her father arranged for young Barack to have a mentor named Frank Marshall Davis, a writer and card-carrying Communist who was on the FBI’s radar. From there, we hear of Obama’s adult associations with which we’re more familiar, including Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
This is a vetting of Obama’s background that, D’Souza plausibly argues, was given short shrift in the 2008 campaign. For instance, D’Souza notes that Obama’s famous speech about race relations, to address the steady stream of Wright’s controversial statements (uncovered, let’s remember, while he was still contesting the Democratic primary against Hillary Clinton), was a deflection from the collectivist black liberation theology that laced Wright’s incendiary sermons. That, D’Souza claims, allowed Obama to keep his dealings with Marxists mostly out of the public eye on his way to the White House.
It is a vetting that is worthwhile for anyone interested in current U.S. politics, if only because it is so reliant on Obama’s own words. (Here, I must acknowledge I haven’t read “Dreams” and can’t say whether D’Souza is cherry-picking Obama’s quotes or taking them out of context; if he did, however, he has given his critics a huge tool to use in discrediting him.) As an immigrant from another former British colony who is the same age as Obama, D’Souza presents an intriguing figure with alternating sympathy for and critique of anti-colonialism.
That’s the first half of the movie. From there, D’Souza delves into purely political commentary and prognostication that most likely will resonate with you, or not, in close correlation with your own political leanings. I won’t spoil his conclusions, but I will say they err toward the most pessimistic, even conspiratorial end of the right side of the spectrum.
If there’s a tragic aspect of the film, it’s that the only people likely to see it are those who have already made up their minds against Barack Obama. It deserves as well an airing among his supporters and those precious few who are unsure about him, to point out where they think D’Souza is wrong and consider the ways he might be right.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:27 pm
Rested your mouth
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
10:39 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 14th, 2012
9:45 pm
how many manufacturing jobs did Bush lose during his presidency
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None. He increased them.
Lower tax rates for all tax payers.
4-6% unemployment for eight years.
Measly $300 billion deficits.
Our President Bush: Superior to Obozo.
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Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
10:54 pm
@Here we go
August 14th, 2012
10:27 pm
Rested your mouth
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He is just showing off.
Showing off is the fool’s idea of glory.
A Fool follows his own wisdom and makes his own mistakes
but a Wise man learns from the mistakes of fools.
Liberal Pariah
August 14th, 2012
11:02 pm
“The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever. Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to ‘Please Do Not Feed the Animals. Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves. This ends today’s lesson.’”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:15 pm
Even though none of the libs on here have taken me up on that challenge to write something meaningful about why they believe that a Romney / Ryan ticket wouldn’t be good for America, I was asked by mike to write why I think they will be.
So even if the libs won’t step up and have an intelligent conversation about this, I will.
First, the people reading this have to understand two premises tat I believe are largely ignored in substantive discourse regarding this election. One, I do not believe that people and political parties remain static in the face of changing situations. Two, I believe that these times regarding our nation’s fiscal health have escalated to the point were I believe that to continue on the course we have been on for over 30 years now must be reversed, and soon, or there will be no averting an economic disaster that will take the entire world economy down with it.
I have always acknowledged that the Republican Party is nearly as much at fault as the Democrats in driving up the deficit and debt. Roughly right, Democrats in charge of Congress are responsible for approximately 53% of our debt, while Republicans own 47% of it.
But while many on the left believe that the GOP cannot change and will remain the same budget-busting party of the 2000’s, I think that many (but not all) have gotten the message over the past 6 years. I say 6 years, because they learned from an electoral standpoint about the consequences of their actions during the Bush years, and I believe that many have learned about the fiscal implications of their actions as well.
Mitt Romney knows business. He knows how to dig companies and entities out of trouble and put them on a path to success. Despite all the harping from the left, the record clearly shows that Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital resulted in 70% of all companies invested in during his leadership made money and added or saved employees. Cherry-picking companies that closed after he left does not help the left’s case one bit. Was Romney perfect? No. But everyone in the venture capital business readily acknowledges that a 70% success rate is well above the norm for that business.
Paul Ryan knows taxes. It is likely that no one on Capitol Hill knows taxes and their implications on business better than Paul Ryan. He and Mitt Romney agree that tax breaks for any business that are in place to help a specific business are bad for the tax code, allowing government to pick winners and losers based on industry. They both agree that is wrong, so that when they say they want to lower tax rates on everybody, they will do so by removing the tax codes that favor or target specific businesses to offset the lower rates. Their plan makes the tax code simpler and fairer, which will reduce compliance costs to businesses and individuals across America.
Both know that entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare have to be reformed. Contrary to the attacks from the left, the Ryan Plan does NOT end nor destroy either of these two programs. For both, no changes for anyone are proposed if they are 55 or older. For Social Security, the retirement age is proposed to be raised 2 years for those people younger than 55 contemplating retirement in the future. On Medicare, again there will be no changes to the plan for people 55 or older. For those younger than that, they will have an option to continue on the current plan without changes, or they can choose to receive a voucher to buy private insurance in lieu of receiving Medicare. If they find a private plan that costs less than their voucher, they pocket the difference. If they don’t, they pay the difference. But their medical care will now be in THEIR hands, not the government. But ultimately, people will be able to choose if they wish to continue with the traditional Medicare program.
Add in their desire to reduce the size of (but not eliminate), various government agencies that have grown out of control, and I am very comfortable with a Romney / Ryan administration. We’ve tried stimulus programs that haven’t been paid for and have had marginal benefits. Those benefits have been shown to be temporary, but the debt that results from them is not.
Given the alternative, I am exceedingly comfortable and hopeful that a Republican administration of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan is the best alternative for the long-term health of this nation, and could avert a worse disaster down the road.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 14th, 2012
11:20 pm
…the people reading this have to understand…
You were never granted the authority to define what it is that me or anyone else “have to” do.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
11:25 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:15 pm
Even though none of the libs on here have taken me up on that challenge to write something meaningful about why they believe that a Romney / Ryan ticket wouldn’t be good for America, I was asked by mike to write why I think they will be.
So even if the libs won’t step up and have an intelligent conversation about this, I will.
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An intelligent conversation is a dialogue, not a monologue.
That’s why there are so few good conversations: due to scarcity,
two intelligent talkers seldom meet.
heeheeheeheeheeheehee
Get Real
August 14th, 2012
11:27 pm
Kammie Poo…don’t get your precious pink panties is a wad….it’ll be OK; just hold your gerbil close tonight
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:30 pm
Kamchak, you should have learned by now to stop drinking after a certain time of day.
That line was posted so that someone intelligent (obviously not you) could understand the basis for my beliefs, a setting of the stage. You can choose to acknowledge that or not.
But I wrote that entire post to have an intelligent discussion, so you are obviously excluded from consideration.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 14th, 2012
11:31 pm
Cool beans!
IP spoofer boy is here!
Keep using that IP spoofer, sport.
The more data you give the AJC IT dept., the closer your demise.
Tick…tick…tick….
Just sayin’.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:32 pm
“An intelligent conversation is a dialogue, not a monologue.”
And you are free to comment on any of the specifics of my post, Trashman, but one-liners do not constitute intelligent conversation.
The table has been set. You can barf all over it, or you can sit down and eat.
Your choice.
I’m pretty certain which path you’ll choose.
Get Real
August 14th, 2012
11:34 pm
Kammie Poo…….you are still stressing, remember hold that gerbil…..is his name sport.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 14th, 2012
11:37 pm
That line was posted so that someone intelligent (obviously not you) could understand the basis for my beliefs…
The line you posted contained an imperative.
Anyone with intelligence would quit reading at that point and laugh derisively at the puerile linguistics you employ that may work on talk-radio, but will not work with those that don’t recognize your authority.
You’re not all that.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:38 pm
I’m off for the evening. Looking forward to anything of substance responding to my post when I return.
But I’m not hopeful.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 14th, 2012
11:39 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 14th, 2012
11:32 pm
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Although there exist A REASON for INTELLIGENT conversation,
YOU are a person who cannot meet a cripple without talking about feet.
GOOD NIGHT DON’T LET YOUR BED BUGS BITE.
heeheeheeheeheheeheehee
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
12:22 am
kamchak- You were never granted the authority to define what it is that me or anyone else “have to” do.
Understood. If there is something that involves intelligence you want nothing to do with it.
Vote obama: you were dumb enough to fall for it last time!
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
2:08 am
Mr. Wingfeld & I should probably put an ad on Craiglists for copies of Dreams from My Father in order that we can read it. I couldn’t live with myself if I paid one nickel of my hard-earned money to a bookseller who would then pay Obama himself.
Kyle,
Reading your movie review, I get the sensation that you don’t like the movie at all, and that even in reviewing it, you have the sensation that ants are crawling up and down your legs as you type. You don’t seem to be liking your job right now.
I have no idea how you think that quoting someone’s autobiography-for-politics could be taken out of context at all–especially in a race such as this where Obama’s pack is associating a woman’s death seven years after her husband left a Bain capital company with Mitt Romney. But that’s your logic, I suppose.
Obama writes about himself in Dreams so that people will appreciate him politically for his own benefit. The purpose of the book is self-serving, and I can’t imagine how you feel like you have to put that disclaimer in the book. There are very many discreditations of Dreams, some of which have come out recently, and there are also many clues in the autobiography that I have heard quoted that make Obama’s past somewhat alarming. Indeed, as you say, those critics from the last 4 or 5 years certainly would have given their critics (and friends of Mr. Obama) something to write about too. But we just haven’t heard it.
The media coverage of Obama has clearly shown that the current President has entirely bewitched them, including many liberal columnists, like your cube-mate, Jay Bookman. The autobiography has NOT been talked about much at all, except in very vague terms by the media, and by the campaign only in the general Obama-comes-from-humble-background nonsense that you hear from all politicians.
Whether or not the book is true at all, it is pure propaganda, written so that when shoppers go to Barnes and Noble, they will see a free campaign ad for their President on tables inside, and then thinking him a good, thoughtful, intellectual and caring person.
You certainly wouldn’t be out of line either finding Obama either an extreme leftist or nutty simply quoting passages that Obama himself recorded, especially since the book was designed PRIMARILY to prevent that perception.
Joel Edge
August 15th, 2012
6:53 am
Thanks, Kyle. I’ll have to go see it.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 15th, 2012
7:22 am
Kamchak, no one granted you authority to decide who needed authority to decide what bloggers here must and must not do. Mind your own business.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
8:12 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 15th, 2012
7:22 am
Kamchak, no one granted you authority to decide who needed authority to decide what bloggers here must and must not do. Mind your own business.
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I bet you were up all night trying to come up that one.
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
8:13 am
What Makes Myth Robme Tick? Mormonism? Money? Or Both?
August 15th, 2012
8:12 am
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 15th, 2012
7:22 am
Kamchak, no one granted you authority to decide who needed authority to decide what bloggers here must and must not do. Mind your own business.
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CORRECTION
I bet you were up all night trying to come up WITH that one.
Progressive Humanist
August 15th, 2012
8:14 am
Yawn… It’s a stretch to call D’Souza a college president. “The King’s College” is essentially a Christian Madrasah that has about 200 students total. In other words, it’s a religious nutcase school that has fewer students than most elementary schools (and less qualified teachers).
And if D’Souze was interviewing sociologists to find out what makes Obama tick, someone might want to tell him that sociologists have no expertise in individual’s thought processes.
So what we have is hyperbole and baseless speculation on the part of a fake academic who is qualified to be nothing more than a right wing rumor monger. Kyle’s really scraping the bottom of the barrel to beef up his page views.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
8:51 am
This D’Souza guy sounds like he should work at that esteemed Republican brain trust of anti-science studies, the Heartland Institute.
LOL…
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
8:54 am
I really, really need a right wing wacko born in another country to tell me what’s American. Really. How else could I possibly know?
iggy
August 15th, 2012
8:58 am
“Any concept of one person being superior to another can lead to racism.”
Or it could just be fact. Dont confuse facts with idiotic, emotional and politically correct garbage.
ktbl
August 15th, 2012
8:59 am
We are our own worse enemy when it comes to being positive about changes we need to make. We all know it is a game of (money) to get elected in the highest office of these United States, here in America. It is true that President Obama is not perfect, never will be; George Bush (son) of George H.W. Bush was not even close to doing what we now have as law. He flew over New Orleans, LA with Airforce One looking out of the window with thousands of human being suffering and it was a mix of all races of all walk’s of life. He infact did his own thing and no Congressman or Representative challenge him; but with President Obama, they all shun him at every turn. I have been very sicken at the state of our country for a very long time; gas prices become a tool used against us to make oil companies rich, nothing is done about that, now, it so many families struggling to live; prices for anything is sky high, but the end game is it don’t take that much to live here in America, it is the greed that push prices where they are and people sit on their money even if this economy is showing a little improvments. I learned a lot from people in general. Why pay 40 50 thousand for a car when you use a bank to purchase it over the next 5 years and you paying all that interest so the bank can keep you oweing them; then, we pay a lot of money for a house, knowing that house will not have any values even if it is in an upscale community; we are rather stupid to think material things are making us better than anyone else around us. Jobs are what look’s good but employers want you to work longer for less and I think about the commute and gas and how we struggle to get to work. In the end, it is nohting new….this election is merely about money and how those who are trying to change things that are already in place. You will get your wish in 2016 if you are around. I have always said, we the people can make a different how we live here in America. Those whom we elect have not did anything while they are in office to better our living, don’t elect the same ones back in, a need for a new group of congressmen and representatives to take the helm and steer us where we need to go if we are to make some improvements here in our community and these United States of America. The above opinions are well preceived; but the bottom line is, all races and people here in America are suffering at the hands of the greed and the greedy!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:04 am
ktbl, two words:
Paragraph breaks.
Oh, and Oh Holy Crap!
independent thinker
August 15th, 2012
9:09 am
KYLE’S latest anti- Obama rant-”"”"”"”"”"”"”"The movie’s about our president’s past and what that means for our future, and I’ll focus on that.D’Souza dispenses early on with any notions of birtherism, noting briefly, but pointedly, that Obama was born in Hawaii. Instead, he makes the far more interesting argument that what’s foreign is Obama’s ideology, shaped in absentia by a father he barely knew”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
There is not one scintilla of proof anywhaere that Obama formed any political beliefs as a result of a few brief meetings with his absentee father. This is pure rubbish.
Instead Kyle and his boy Willard and the GOP will have to deal with their latest flip flopper extraordinaire and his total reversal of his devotion to Ayn Rand, an avowed atheist and
champion of unbridled capitalism with no government involvement of any sort. Now that Ryan is Willard’s wonder boy his devotion to Rand in numerous speeches as recently as 2009 is flipped and flopped to “I changed my views on her later in life”
And then we get wonder boy’s triple backwards summersault off the diving board on Medicare. No problem voting for over a trillion dollars of unfunded Medicare drug subsidy to get George W elected but when he is a Tea Party darling Ryan wants to slash and cut Medicare and privatize it. Now that the Karl Rove PR machine is spinning about Obamacare’s attempt to cost contain 716 million dollars of unnecessary Medicare costs without reducing benefits and to fund that Medicare drug give away the GOP rammed through,Ryan is grandma’s savior protecting Medicare from that big bad Black wolf with fangs hiding in that Obama care disguise.(a Communist trying to cut government spending on the masses??)
I can’t wait for the movie of this team’s gymnastics with Karl Rove as the coach
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
9:14 am
ktbi, a different, and hopefully useful, observation about your 8:59.
Excellent points.
Money is no longer the religion in America.
Greed has replaced even it. Or as the Dallas Fed Chairman called that little meltdown in 2008, “…a sustained orgy of excess and reckless behavior…
We have met the enemy and he is us…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:17 am
“but when he is a Tea Party darling Ryan wants to slash and cut Medicare and privatize it.”
For someone who goes by the name “independent thinker”, your post shows you are neither.
Ryan’s Medicare plan keeps Medicare the same for everybody 55 years old or above. No changes whatsoever.
If you’re younger than 55, you’ll get a choice when you reach Medicare age: Take Medicare as it is today, or get a voucher from the government to spend on private health insurance. This does two things: Keeps Medicare for those who wish to have it while keeping the program intact, and offering better choices to those who wish them, especially since many doctors are not accepting new Medicare patients.
Bottom-line, your above statement is completely and totally false, but typical of what we expect from Obama supporters in this campaign
Jack
August 15th, 2012
9:20 am
All libs need to remember is that Obama attended a church for 20 years whose pastor claimed our government invented the AIDS virus as a tool of black genocide while cozying up to James Cone.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:21 am
Last week, Trump said, “I was asked to speak at the RNC but said no,” which is Trump Code for “I begged them to let me speak and someone thought that was probably a bad idea,” but to allow him to save face he claimed that he “will be doing something much bigger–just watch!”
salon.com
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:22 am
Obama attended a church for 20 years
Where the preacher did the exact same sermon every Sunday for 20 years – or 1,040 sermons?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:25 am
Tiberius says:
Take Medicare as it is today, or get a voucher from the government to spend on private health insurance.
lessee, do I want this voucher system that is pegged to the rate of inflation (which grows much slower than the rate of medical cost increases) or the Medicare system as it is today?
Lesseeee….hmmmmm..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:27 am
To ktbl and AmVet:
That car you’re driving (and I’m assuming neither of you rely completely on public transportation) was designed and manufactured by people motivated by greed.
That computer you’re using to spout nonsense was designed by people motivated by greed.
That double mocha-choco latte you drink each morning was bought from a place started by someone motivated by greed.
That cell phone you use? Greed developed it.
In short, just about every advancement known to mankind (save perhaps SOME medicines) was brought about by the desire by someone to be insanely rich.
The reason why we’re the last remaining superpower is because the other forms of government and economic theory you still worship all failed.
Deal with it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:29 am
I outsource the critique of Ryan’s budget proposals to the recipient of the 2008 Nobel Prize in economics:
Ryan hasn’t “crunched the numbers”; he has just scribbled some stuff down, without checking at all to see if it makes sense. He asserts that he can cut taxes without net loss of revenue by closing unspecified loopholes; he asserts that he can cut discretionary spending to levels not seen since Calvin Coolidge, without saying how; he asserts that he can convert Medicare to a voucher system, with much lower spending than now projected, without even a hint of how this is supposed to work. This is just a fantasy, not a serious policy proposal.
salon.com
mwuahahahahahahahaha
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:29 am
“lessee, do I want this voucher system that is pegged to the rate of inflation (which grows much slower than the rate of medical cost increases) or the Medicare system as it is today?”
Thanks for agreeing that Ryan isn’t going to change Medicare for people who want to go onto Medicare, Finn.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:32 am
Oh, and btw, I’d take the voucher each and every day, and twice on Sundays, Finn.
fair and balanced
August 15th, 2012
9:33 am
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”Stumping in Florida yesterday, Mitt Romney charged President Obama’s Affordable Care Act will “cut more than $700 billion” out of Medicare.What Romney didn’t say was that his running mate’s budget — approved by House Republicans and by Romney himself — would cut Medicare by the same amount.The big difference, though, is the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
The Romney-Ryan plan, by contrast, achieves its savings by turning Medicare into a voucher whose value doesn’t keep up with expected increases in healthcare costs — thereby shifting the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries, who will have to pay an average of $6,500 a year more for their Medicare insurance, according to an analysis of the Republican plan by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
Robert Reich in Salon 8/14/12
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:35 am
“I outsource the critique of Ryan’s budget proposals to the recipient of the 2008 Nobel Prize in economics:”
Well, given that the Nobel Prize has been rendered meaningless since 2008, I’m not buying any unspecified criticism of Ryan’s plan by any recipient.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:36 am
Robert Reich can’t read.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:39 am
I’d take the voucher each and every day, and twice on Sundays, Finn
Sorry, but you will never get that chance cause it is never going to happen.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:40 am
The day that the Heartland Institute gets caught passing fake data around in their official communications will be a great day for the Bozos on the left; they will actually have an ally in their make believe world of pseudo science.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:40 am
It’s Tib who can’t read:
the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:41 am
“The big difference, though, is the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.”
Yeah, Reich. Who’s going to PROVIDE services to Medicare patients if they aren’t getting paid for them?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:42 am
There are no scientists on Earth that would consider a million square acres of solar panels an advancement in technology. A blooming idiot on the other hand…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 15th, 2012
9:43 am
Libs don’t understand the concept of “cause and effect”.
Robert
August 15th, 2012
9:51 am
Yes, it is true. Mr. Romney conceded defeat when he selected Ryan as his running mate and gave the GOP away out of this nightmare they created. The GOP can use this opportunity to get rid of all the right wing extremist who have held he GOP hostage for the last 4 years. The GOP knew the backlash this selection would cause throughout Congress and how it would affect newly elected Right Wing Republicans who have voted in unity and supported Ryan’s extreme budget proposals. Know these newly elected Right Wing Republicans are scrambling to distance themselfs from Ryan out of fear of not being elected. The good news – the GOP can know recruit moderate GOP candidates and create a strategy to win the White House in 2016.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
9:54 am
Yeah, Reich. Who’s going to PROVIDE services to Medicare patients if they aren’t getting paid for them?
The providers agreed to the terms of the deal, Tiberius! How do you think it got through Congress? What the providers get in return is an expanded base of consumers. They AGREED to this.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 15th, 2012
9:57 am
Robert- Or we could run all the squishes out and have a giant Tea Party. Either way, I’m gonna wait until I have the football before I dance in the end zone, I’d rather not look like a fool.
Perhaps you should too.