The Obama pitch: Don’t ask us for a plan, just reject the GOP’s plan

Another “worse” possible choice. How the feet, you keep shooting yourself in them ?

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Paul Ryan = Sarah Palin. And given his rabid anti-gay agenda, he probably wears a dress too (in the privacy of a public restroom, of course)

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Wow, what a substantive post, saywhat. This is the kind of trash that any VP choice would face from the Huff Po, Moveon, Media Matters crowd that frequents the “other” political blog site.

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Saving 100 mil in a IRA is like a nuclear hand granade, makes no sense at all.

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Sorry InAtl, the truth sometimes hurts. Any guy who believes cutting taxes for the rich, raising taxes on the working poor and middle class, while cutting services to the poor will somehow magically create jobs is delusional or lying to either himself or us. The guy voted biggest brown noser in highschool is still the biggest brown noser, only now he is brown nosing the wealthy.

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@Jefferson

August 13th, 2012
11:01 am
Saving 100 mil in a IRA is like a nuclear hand granade, makes no sense at all
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MOST things about Myth Robme does not make sense.

A CAR ELEVATOR?

Mathew 19:24

“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

God DON’T PLAY.

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If the Regressives were so serious about the deficit, why wouldn’t they agree to an eminently reasonable plan to cut $4 in spending for every $1 in revenues raised? Any economist with half a brain, on the left and right, sees the necessity for both.

If the Regressives were so serious about job creation, why haven’t they done anything in the last 2+ years to create jobs? Oh, right, they were too busy engaging in completely futile attempts at repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Regressives don’t care about doing anything other than gutting government and infrastructure, and cutting taxes on everyone. If that’s what you believe, fine, but enough with the disingenuous baloney Kyle. It’s unbecoming.

Obama/Biden 2012 – About to Deliver a Regressive Smackdown Like None Before (TM)

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saywhat, what you have to add to the discussion is like what someone would read in the National Enquirer, just garbage. That’s why I almost always skip over most of the comments made by you and others like Trash Man, JamVet, Fred, Finn, Granny, etc. Sarcasm and character assassinations with no substance.

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Kyle – how is Ryan the deficit hawk that many claim him to be?

He voted for the Bush tax cuts, the unfunded wars, the medicaid part B expansion, the auto and financial industry bailouts, and he rejected Simpson Bowles

Now the Dems aren’t much better in that regard, but what makes Ryan better?

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If you’re a truck driver, you don’t wait to do maintenance on your truck until after you lose your job because your truck won’t run – you keep it maintained along the way so you DON’T break down and lose your job.
If you’re a dentist, you don’t let your equipment get so ragged that clients no longer come to see you AND THEN, once all the clients are gone, decide to upgrade your gear! You maintain it all along so it doesn’t come to that.

This is the difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives want everything right here and now – never mind having to pay for it! Let’s party! Cons like the instant gratification. Why? Cause Daddy’ll pick up the tab!

Liberals understand you have do maintenance as you go – you have to pay things off slowly cause there is no Daddy who will step in at the last minute and clear your debts.

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@saywhat?

August 13th, 2012
10:51 am
Paul Ryan = Sarah Palin.
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Some of US got your POINT.

A WELL MADE POINT.

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“Daddy who will step in at the last minute and clear your debts.”

Sure there is…Big Daddy Obama. He wants to buy your vote.

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“Show us the plan Barak” ~ John Lennon

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Regardless of party affiliation the #1 priority for members of Congress is getting reelected. And since seniors pay more attention to politics and represent a very powerful voting bloc those in Congress are terribly afraid of touching the Medicare issue. Addressing a difficult and important issue could be harmful to their Congressional future.

I’ve not explored the Ryan plan enough to judge it one way or the other. But at a minimum he deserves credit for putting at least putting the issue on the table. That took stones.

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There are two workable plans on the table, the Ryan plan and Simpson-Bowles. Obama has rejected both. I always say he has no plan, but now I think maybe he does. His plan is to do nothing that would require anything painful for his party or his supporters, i.e. tax the rich. He knows that is insufficient, but maybe it will cover, until this becomes someone else’s job. This narcissist is always going to look out for himself.

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Lefty is a perfect example of a good poster. Good points. You don’t have to agree on philosophy to have a good discussion. I have some liberal friends who don’t share my opinions, and I don’t share theirs, but we can still be civil and have valid points on both sides and hopefully enlighten each other.

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There is never more than one VP debate. So, Romney better have some ideas to espouse besides “trust me.”

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Rafe – Ryan also rejected Simpson Bowles as did most of Congress.

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“why wouldn’t they agree to an eminently reasonable plan to cut $4 in spending for every $1 in revenues raised?”

As I’ve said all along, show me the $4 in cuts FIRST. Show me you can do that for 2 years minimum, and I’ll go along with a tax increase if still needed.

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@Logical Song

August 13th, 2012
11:23 am
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heeheeheeheehee

Don’t rub it in.

They would like to forget Newtie.

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JPP
Ryan rejected it because he had a vested interest, his own plan, which he thought was better. Who knows lets go through hearings, testimony, and have some votes, anything is better than doing nothing or waiting on Oblamer to come up with something, he has had nearly 4 years and has never proposed anything relating to retiring the deficit or debt.

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Kyle, your article is a gross distortion and you should know better since you are a smart guy. You are simply saying that by being the “Party of No” and proposing a take it or leave it Ryan tax plan that would destroy our social compact as well as the economy is the only way to go. One example is Social Security. I read the article you sighted and it is based on assumptions that the economy continued at its current pace and we did nothing to modify Social Security to assure its solvency. I have attended discussions including representatives of the Heritage Foundation as well as liberal think tanks and all have suggested modifications that are relatively minor which will assure the solvency of Social Security for another 75 years. All agreed it would be easier to accomplish their proposals if we started sooner rather than later but none thought the problem was critical. While I preferred the modifications proposed by the liberal think tank over Heritage’s proposals, I think you do the public a disservice by unnecessarily scaring seniors.

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@Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy

August 13th, 2012
11:31 am
Sarah Palin waxed Biden in the debate, according to most objective sources. I can imagine what Ryan will do to him, when they venture off into the complexities of the budget.
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Palin WAXED Biden?

heeheeheeheeheehee

The only thing she WACKED was John McCain.

heeheeheeheeheehee

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The Republican plan is holistic either and a lot of Ryan’s assumptions are flat out wrong. It doesn’t say what will be cut or have specifics.

If the plan is to ask the Obama for a plan, the reply will almost certainly be what specificially will you cut? Will that conversation turn out well for Romney or Ryan? When they say, “We plan to cut social security or the mortgage interest deduction”, is that going to win them votes?

Can’t Obama use the same tactic they’ve been using and call those “simplifications” raising taxes? How can the Republican Party, conditioned to hate all tax increases, go along with that?

In addition, the pessimism of this campaign will eventually catch up to them. Basically, their whole premise is to say angrily that America sucks and Obama is a failure. It’s not 2008. Things aren’t dire and most of our problems are years in the future. They’d better lighten up and get positive at least some of the time.

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The debate moderators, will be unsuccessful in halting Obama’s filablustering. Their excuse will be, we wanted to be “respectful” of the President. Every time the subject is focused on his record, he will try and run out the clock and turn the topic into the GOP war on the environment or women or some side issue. Romney is going to have his work cut out, but if he stays on the offensive, he wins. If he falls for the rope a dope, he is sunk. He needs a knock out. Obama wins, if the judges get to decide, no matter who actually did the best.

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Rafe

speaking of excuses, you are making them now

just saying

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Logical

As they say people vote for the Top of the Ticket. We let the media and the Dems pick our candidate. Palin was the only positive thing about the last race, if not for her, it would have been more of a landslide. Every time she tried to go after Obama, she was reigned in by McCain’s political experts.

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Obama in Chicago this weekend: “Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?” Obama asked. “Or do we go backward to the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place?”

And liberals wonder why people think he’s a socialist.

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Logical

No excuses, just describing the environment Romney/Ryan will face, when they overcome great odds and kick butt in the debates.

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Rafe

Amazing that you would admit how gullible you by saying you allow Fox to pick your candidate. What other things do they pick for you? Your dinner, your nose, your clothes

But to each his own.

have a great day

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Rafe

Bet you said the same thing last time

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Finally someone has made it clear why Obama must go and someone with a plan to solve our economic problems should take his place!! Anyone remember the promise that was made about Social Security? That each worker’s contribution would be held in trust to pay for his/her retirement? Then the deficits started mounting and what happened? Politicians too timid to give up their pet programs to balance the budget looked at the Social Security “Trust Fund” and decided to “borrow” money from it to balance the deficit, with no idea of how the “loan” would ever be paid back! I an approaching 66 years old and will start receiving Social Security payments soon, at least I hope to. Those payments won’t be my only retirement income because I have saved thru my 401K other monies; but at some point The Social Security money will run dry and then I’ll be in trouble. If I had been allowed to use the money I paid into Social Security for private investment, the problem would be greatly reduced, but nooo….if I had done that, my money would not have been available to pay someone else’s Social Security checks. So I paid, paid, and paid some more only to be at risk for getting little back for myself while someone else who failed to plan ahead benefited from MY money! .

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Rafe

If Romney wins, I hope he does a good job.
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But mark my words here today, you will be making excuses by the 1000s if Romney loses.

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“Today, after weeks of life, the Romney Tax Returns,”what does he have to hide?”and Offshore Hundreds of Millions he is “hiding” is still an issue.”

Only in the media.

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@LtCol Razorback,

You’re going to get your money. If you believe otherwise, you’ve been misled. The only options being tossed around are raising the retirement age and increasing the tax.

If we did private investment, you would probably be worse off. While you are responsible, others aren’t. Their lack of savings would contribute to a higher overall taxation, because we would need to subsidize those who saved nothing. By forcing all members of society to pay something, we can ensure a lower burden later on for everyone else.

It’s the same premise in car insurance and Obamacare. Everyone is forced to pay so that we don’t have free riders.

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“If we did private investment, you would probably be worse off. ”

Not according to Galveston County, TX.

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Logical

Saying that there are all these obstacles stacked against him in the race and in the debates, which he will overcome and win, is an excuse? If he doesn’t anticipate what he is facing and is not prepared sufficiently to take them on, then he probably deserves to lose, just like McCain.

You think you have heard excuses just wait til Obama loses. Racism, voter suppression, Tea Party radicals, stolen election, election bought by big donors, etc ad nausuem.

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On Fox News Sunday with Sen. MCCain, asked if he thinks Ryan will overshadow Romney, MCCain quips ” I had that problem” with Palin.
Thanks Grandpa, enough said…. seing how that worked out so well.

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What you got wrong, JF McNamara, is exactly what I pointed out. A private plan would probably be better for most people, rather than a government plan. Galveston County, TX proves that.

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jconservative@ 11:34

I see the new mantra will be “destroying Medicare as we know it”. That’s not ture, of course. Medicare will be the same for a few years and then modifications will be in place. That will give enough time for the next generation to adjust to any changes. The Ryan Plan, the sensible plan!

But the past mantra for the Obama administraation has been shown already for almost four years. It is “destroying America as we know it”. Just say “trillions” and eveyone thinks “the debt!”

Liberals sit on the sinking deck of the Titanic economy, drinking free tea, and saying “We could enjoy this forever!”

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@Tiberius…”As I’ve said all along, show me the $4 in cuts FIRST. Show me you can do that for 2 years minimum, and I’ll go along with a tax increase if still needed.”

Ahhh yes…The Tiberius version of Trust Me…NO…

It’s a negotiated agreement bring something to the table or get lost.

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I Report,

Give the poor liberals a little more time. They were expecting a pushover to incriminate and they got a bulldozer instead. That doooo make it hard!

As you see, they are all out of breath, waiting at the door first thing in the morning, DNC script in hand and the caps lock ready to go. (Ryan did it!)

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@Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy

August 13th, 2012
12:09 pm
Logical

You think you have heard excuses just wait til Obama loses. Racism, voter suppression, Tea Party radicals, stolen election, election bought by big donors, etc ad nausuem.

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SINCE YOU can predict the future…….

WHAT IS THE POWERBALL NUMBER?

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@Tiberius,

I don’t think you read what I wrote. If everyone is forced to pay into a plan, its no different than social security aside for what you choose to invest in. If you don’t then everyone would likely be worse off.

He said he would be better off investing the social security money in his 401K. Yes, he might, but on the whole we would be worse off because everyone isn’t forced to pay into their 401K. A lot of people would be free riders once they weren’t able to work any longer.

That’s my point. You can’t just take one sentence out of a paragraph without context to cherry pick. What I said was 100% accurate in the context of our conversation (which really didn’t include you at all…)

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A private plan would probably be better for most people, rather than a government plan.

like a 401k plan would have been better to have in 2008 than a pension plan????? You want to take what is defined and turn it over to the gamblers on Wall Street?

Maybe we make it a choice – either you choose a private sector SS plan or a government run plan. But wait, no – all it takes is one private sector wipe out like 2008 and all of the plans go down. So, no. We aren’t going to let your Gods on Wall Street gamble with our money.

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As for “Romney having guts”…

Romeny had to do something – he was heading toward a landslide loss in November. This will make it a bit tighter of a race.

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Kyle

Thanks for the reply. But I still stand by my prediction. Unless something drastic changes, Romney and Ryan will need knockouts. I doubt they will be knocked out themselves, but a draw will not get it.

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@Gimme Gimme Gimme

August 13th, 2012
11:19 am
“Show us the plan Barak”
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“SHOW US THE TAX RETURNS Myth Robme”

heeheeheeheehee

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Kyle

Outside of the base, which Ryan does help solidify, what demographics will he assist in getting votes from?

You think he will be swaying any votes or just helping with the undecideds?

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It’s a plan that even former House Speaker Newt Gingrich deemed too “radical.” Asked by NBC’s David Gregory to respond to Ryan’s proposal, Gingrich famously said (video): “I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering. I don’t think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate.” (Of course that was before Gingrich walked back those remarks, apparently reminded by some savvy operative that he might not want to anger the Kochs, to whom Ryan, 42, is something of a youthful ward, having been the beneficiary of years of support from the Koch-founded Americans For Prosperity.)
alternet.org

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Obozo’s budget got precisely zero votes in the House.

Vice President Ryan’s budget got 200+.

Ryan: Smarter than and superior to Obozo.

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years that could be used for making the transition as easy as possible

This won’t hurt a bit….I promise…..this will hurt me more than it will hurt you….trust me…

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Kyle

You mean this Senator Wyden

“Gov. Romney is talking nonsense. Bipartisanship requires that you not make up the facts. I did not ‘co-lead a piece of legislation.’” Wyden said. “I wrote a policy paper on options for Medicare. Several months after the paper came out, I spoke and voted against the Medicare provisions in the Ryan budget.”

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“Gov. Romney needs to learn you don’t protect seniors by makings things up, and his comments today sure won’t help promote real bipartisanship,” Wyden said.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/Ron-Wyden-Takes-Issue-With-Mitt-Romney-Linking-Him-to-Paul-Ryan-216838-1.html

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Ryan’s already kicked Obozo’s butt in the health care summit. Can we have him debate Obozo at least once?

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Logical song,

You are off key as usual.. You over value your commentary as you drown in the deep end of negativity.

Stop reading my posts if they rile your tender consideration. I’m not real interested in whether you care or not.

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Dusty

This is an open blog. So be good.

You follow the rules and I will as well

Have an awesome day in the in the shallow end

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Kyle does not mention that in the Republican proposed Budget that they would not define what tax deductions they would eliminate. Does the GOP propose eliminating homeowner’s mortgage deduction, increasing the cost of employee health insurance, eliminating charity contributions? Nobody knows. The Congressional Budget Office could not even evaluate/score the GOP Proposal. Clearly Obama wants to move in the direction of Simpson/Bowles if the GOP stopped bowing to Norquist.

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Lack of wisdom ? ….

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-is-the-most-extreme-vp-candidate-in-more-than-a-century-2012-8

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just a chance to demonstrate that private plans could be cheaper and better.

LOL

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You folks are indeed funny as all get out. You didn’t like him, still don’t but your excuses are land shaking.

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The thing I’m curious about.

How big of a bump in the polls will Obama receive from Ryans selection as VP ?

Romney might as well forget Florida.

This is a Hail Mary if Ive ever seen one.

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Kyle

Side topic: Did you read the TSPOLST article that you guys ran today?

interesting

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Frinn @ 12:47

You are so cute! I think you’ll soon be as smart as Newt!
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Stranger in a Strange Land. @ 12:52

Hey……there’s a new one to be peddled by liberals: “Ryan did it!” .

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That banner, “Don’t Ask Us For A Plan, Just Reject the GOP Plan” is absolutely hysterical!

Since the Tea Party invasion of the House, the Republicans have become the Republican’ts and have rejected and obstucted and determined to roadblock and stymy every effort of the President.

It would sure be a kick in the pants if that turned on the Republican’ts.

But, in reality, the country is looking for a government that works and compromises, not one that glories in gridlock to the detriment of the county. When will statesmen step up to the plate and tell the obstructionists to get with the program?

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Kyle

Seems the planning was just bad. Somewhat ill conceived and marketed horribly. Guess we will see if certain counties team up themselves on certain projects. Believe you mentioned this before.

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Kyle, I appreciate your acknowledgement that relatively minor modifications made on a timely basis could solve the Social Security financing problems for a considerable period of time and for reassuring seniors that they should not be scared about that particular program’s prospects. However, I do think you are inaccurate about the possible impact of Ryan’s tax proposals on boomers, who I might add, according to one recent study, will be the first group to receive less in Social Security benefits than they paid in FICA taxes. Two things: (1) it is hard for me to imagine how the draconian tax cuts for the wealthy along with protection of military spending could be implemented without reneging on SS payments to those over 55 today; and, (2) if you look at the Ryan tax bill which passed the House you will find buried in the small print a provision that would slash many programs, including present Social Security benefits, per a formula based on deficits not exceeding X percent of GDP. I looked it up once and sure enough it is there. If you don’t want to acknowledge the point I am making I will be happy to research it again and cite it.

As to the political structure being unwilling to discuss SS, you have a point but there is plenty of blame to go around. It still is the 3rd rail of politics, but there is activity from interested groups which is now taking a backseat to the general election. If you have followed the AARP’s You’ve Earned A Say campaign and the thoughtful presentation of groups like the Heritage Foundation and some liberal think tanks, I firmly believe Congress will be forced to face the issue after the election.

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ryan is another hail mary pass like palin.

This election will end up like just like 08.

President Obama by 10 again.

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I see Obama has gotten out the freezers to buy votes from farmers and ranchers. What energy source do the government’s freezers run on exactly.

He’s planning to buy the meat and fish now, while the prices are low and freeze the meat. Can Mrs. Obama, the fabulous first lady of food, please explain to her husband that meat and especially fish can be frozen for only about 3 months. Then again, this is just about how long he needs to keep the food prices low, isn’t it.

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Anyone posting a comment I would like to asked you a question. Have any of you every been to your Congressmen or Representatives Office? There are two building where you will find them. They will treat you real nice; you can get a pass to go into the chamber and watch them argue over several bills; and you can also see where your tax dollars are used. Marble floors, great men and women suite bathrooms, executive parking garages, I need not to say more. When you enter their office, the very first thing you will see is the stack of paperwork on their desk…I mean stacks! I also know they all spend a great deal of time working on their reelection for the next full term. You asked why, and how do they get things done or if they ever respond to your values and your questions. You have to think longterm and how many district offices they set up all over their state. There are countless of clerks and one main Secretary that reads all of the important mail for your Congressman and Reprsentative. There is a formal format for answering your particular mail or the question you asked. When you letter is done, your Congressman or Representative don’t even read it; it is merely signed and it is on it’s way back to you. We like to think when we elect people into office they are there for us……infact, it is the other way around, they are there for themselves and thier family. You, on the ohter hand have to wait in line to see if you actually can afford good health care or have retirement; to and for them, it is automatic and they live happy ever after since you have continue to elect them back into office again, again and again! What have your Congressman or Representative have really did for you? Nothing! It is just what is going on the 2012-2013 Presidential Election now going full speed. Not one of these people running and if elected will do anything for your or your family. It is going to be a setback from where we are to going back where we were only to prove a point for self. I am always looking to see what really goals that a person have when they are running for any office. We are better off now than we were 8 years ago. We are not going to be perfect in any way regardless who is President. I like the facts that Romney selected Ryan, they both look unprofessional and they don’t carry themselves well in public. I see they have a different agenda between the two of thejm instead of being balance together. You see, if you live in cities where less of attention is placed on the needed, slums, homelessness, etc., you wonder why are we putting people into office that only seek out ways to continue the grave help for their own who are rich in the first place. No matter who we are or race we have, we need to have a decent way of living here on earth. Earth has not done anything to us to harm us; it is we who have harm it. So Romney and Ryan want to repeal, take, raise taxes, and do everything they can to make President Obama look bad for sake of them being out of touch with the real needs for America people. You need to really research both Romney and Ryan……..if you don’t, you will be mislead down the road like Hilter mislead the Jews into constration camps and the final end was the crematory. I think you now get the picutre.

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“Biden will eat Ryan for lunch”??

Please provide one intelligent thing that Biden has done or said while in office.

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Since the Medicare plan is so great, why cut it off at 55 or younger get vouchers

Senior vote = Noooooo touchy. Don’t want to go biting that hand!

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@Kyle…”You either make changes now to maintain a viable program in the future, or you let it run into the ground and really “end” it, which seems to be the Obama plan.”

No one disputes that both Medicare and Social Security will have to be adjusted. When the Republicans are willing to come to the table to solve problems rather than preach tax cuts for the wealthy and tossing Grandma out on her a$$ (after XX years of paying in) or one side gets control of the Senate, House and Presidency then we will get some movement.

For now we know that the Ryan approach of “shooting both in the head” is not preferred and I believe will cost them votes

and

The Obama approach of increasing tax collections and limiting waste via the ACA is buying us time until an opportunity for another fix arises

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JDW:

“The Obama approach of increasing tax collections and limiting waste via the ACA is buying us time until an opportunity for another fix arises”

Yeah, let’s just kick that little ol’ can down the road . . .

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@cc

August 13th, 2012
1:30 pm
Kyle:

This is a really good piece of writing and definitely on point!

It saddens me to see from remarks posted by liberals that obama’s class warfare ploy works so well on them. Of course, controlling a liberal brain is relatively easy since there’s so very little of it.

Keep up the great writing!

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WHAT CLASS ARE YOU?

1%?

Middle Class?

Poor?

From your comment I CAN GUESS.

If you are in the middle or poor class there cannot be a fair fight AGAINST

the 1%.

The 1% are trying to pay less or no taxes.

The middle class is trying to stay afloat.

And the poor is living on a wing and a prayer.

WAR FAIR?

HOW FAIR IS THIS?

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“Liberals understand you have do maintenance as you go”

Anybody notice the card in L5P (liberal land) that have bumper stickers plastered everywhere, busted windows, badly oxidized paint/rust, riding on a bicycle spare, muffler dragging the ground, and will barely start? That kind of maintenance?

Liberals have no clue regarding maintenance, especially of the automotive (or financial) kind. All the Democrats want is more money from the productive to give their cronies and buy votes for themselves from the moochers. (I guess that could be considered “maintenance” if you look at that froma liberal perspective.)

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Kyle-

Isn’t that the same as insurance? I haven’t been in a car accident but I’m paying for claims for people who have. I’m basically paying in case I need it, just like Medicare(both are being forced on me by laws but that’s not the point).

And if my grandparents are deceased, then who ’s medicare am I paying for in your scenario. Medicare assumes(key word) that I pay in what I get out, which was the way it was originally designed to work. But iwht advances in technology and medicine, life expectancy went up and was never adjusted for( same with SSI).

So he presented a planned, that didn’t pass, so he is suppose to go back and do another plan. Well shouldn’t the same be said for Paul Ryan’s plan that didn’t pass the senate either. Or does it just work for the President??

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Hey, Kyle, have you started working on your op-blog for the day following the election? You know, the one where you lament all the lies, distortions and demagoguery by the Dems that enabled them to not only win the Presidency (again), but also to increase their lead in the Senate and retake the house?

Might be a good time to start writing it now. That way you can take some much needed vaca around the time of the election. Just a thought. No sense in hoping against hope and change!!!

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The Obama approach of increasing tax collections and limiting waste via the ACA is buying us time until an opportunity for another fix arises.

JDW

You my friend are the proud winner of the 2012 Nobel Prize for Spin. To actually think Obama has an approach to this mess, is beyond belief, except to the Koolaid crowd.

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I’m 48, have been working since I was 18 and have paid into SS/Medicare all my life. And Ryan is telling me I’m going to get a goddamn voucher? I’m all for fiscal responsibility, but the republicans don’t care if they slash and burn the budget. Why? Because they are rich and none of that will affect them. AND they won’t have to pitch in a dime to boot!

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Kyle Wingfield@ 2:00 pm

As for the “usual standards,” this misrepresentation of words of people on the other side is indeed frequent in your articles. Like claiming that Obama told Medvedev that he would cave in after the election, substituting “caving in” for “having flexibility.”

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Kyle-

Then that goes to my original question of why should the cutoff age be 55. If they didn’t pay into the system, they have no specific standing in the program(using the whole they are paid for by future generation argument)

And if that’s the case, then it isn’t an insurance program, it is as Rick Perry would describe a pyramid scheme.

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@Kyle….”No, when the likes of you are ready to acknowledge what each side is proposing — and since the Ryan plan doesn’t apply to people over age 55, nothing is happening to Grandma — then we may get some movement.”

Grandma could well be 54 or 53 or 52…you don’t change the rules on someone that has been planning for 20 to 30+ years. You want to talk privatizing start with people in their 20’s then you MIGHT get an audience. Other than that the program will be like any other insurance program as costs rise so does the price…in this case the variables are taxes, co pays, fees and eligibility age.

This whole business is part and parcel of the New Republican way…tax cuts for the “job creators” (BTW how may jobs will cutting Romney’s taxes produce ) and under the bus with everyone else.

As for this bit…”I have to hand it to you, though: The line about the ACA contributing to Medicare’s sustainability is pure comedy gold. Here’s what Medicare’s chief actuary actually thinks about it.”

From your very own source…”while the Affordable Care Act makes important changes to the Medicare program and substantially improves its financial outlook, there is a strong likelihood that certain of these changes will not be viable in the long range.”

Which is precisely why I stated the changes are…”buying us time until an opportunity for another fix arises”

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@Rafe…”To actually think Obama has an approach to this mess, is beyond belief, except to the Koolaid crowd.”

Koolaid brand differ…I prefer mine spiced with a fair economic enviroment for all…you on the other hand seem to prefer Koolaid soured with the thought the Romney’s of the world need a tax break.

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Just a sec, Kyle: Until the Ryan pick, wasn’t Romney’s campaign pretty much “Don’t ask me all the details, we just need to get Hussein out”?

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JDW – more likely, Kyle’s selective censorship celebration at work.

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“Ryan Skips Florida.” The story suggested that Mitt Romney’s running mate would be put at a safe, electric-fence distance from senior citizens, lest he give them night terrors about his Medicare plans.

We got no stones…
We got no stones…
Two guys, Zero stones…

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After the whole Palinator fisaco, ya’d think the Regressives would’ve wised up and selected a non-reactionary. Jeez, first the cynicism with a pretty little lady more ideologically predisposed to the Middle Ages. And now the cynicism with a blue-eyed little white boy more ideologically predisposed to the Middle Ages. I, for one, am looking forward to the 2016 race already, when it is hoped that the Regressives will nominate a woman, or a non-white man, or an Hispanic, but in any event, someone who at least has entered the nineteenth century, ideologically speaking.

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Vote for Obama and Biden. That’ll make sure those who contribute absolutely nothing to the system will continue to get a free ride.

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Kyle,

You know the argument can be made that it was Granny’s generation that voted themselves all these entitlements without paying for them in the first place.

I hate to say it, but Granny’s generation certainly bears more responsibility for the mess we have than my generation.

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“2012 Projected Deficit: $1.33 trillion, 8.5 percent of GDP; 2013 Projected Deficit: $901 billion, 5.5 percent of GDP; 2018 Projected Deficit: $575 billion, 2.7 percent of GDP; 2022 Projected Deficit: $704 billion, 2.8 percent of GDP.”

I don’t trust the ones that took a balanced budget and a surplus and blew it up with gop rubber stamp congress spending.

I trust the Clinton team to balance our budget again.

Don’t let the gop blow it again.

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@Kyle Wingfield

August 13th, 2012
3:01 pm
Some people @ 2:19: And that goes back to my original answer, which is that the cutoff is 55 because people older than that have lived their whole lives with this as the deal and don’t have time to make other arrangements. So, the deal is not being taken away from them, because, contrary to what Obama and the Democrats want you to believe, this is not about pushing Granny over the cliff.

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This is about…….

NOT PUSHING ANYONE OVER THE CLIFF.

Why would anyone AGREE to do THAT?

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Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
August 13th, 2012: 11:57 am-If Romney loses there are no excuses, just the facts, that the takers have finally out numbered the makers.

Rafe-
It’ll be ok, buddy. Not everyone enjoys living in a democracy…

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The Boy Wonder Paul Ryan WAS HECKLED IN IOWA.

heeheeheeheehee

He better get THICK SKIN.

Somebody is not to THRILLED WITH THE BOY WONDER RYAN.

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If Romney loses there are no excuses, just the facts, that the takers have finally out numbered the makers.

That would mean the majority of the takers – seniors, farmers, mentally retarded, homeless, poor whites, etc – will have voted for Obama. I’m not convinced he can get the poor white vote – that is the GOP base – takers all

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Kyle,

How would we have done that when we could not vote? This expansion of benefits started in the 60’s.

Granny’s generation bought into the idea that they were going to contribute $1 and get $6 or more in return. It’s not possible.

So to keep Granny happy, we are going to make future generations bear this cost? What is equitable about that?

The hard discussions have to be made. The longer we refuse to, the harder and deeper the cuts will be.

If you have not yet read Peter Schiff’s Book “The Real Crash”, I suggest you look into it.

This is NOT the only hard decision we face.

It’s time the politicians in DC pulled up their Big Boy Pants and deal with things. They are certainly paid more than well enough to do so.

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Why is no one mentioning the elephant in the room? Do we really need to spend more than the rest of the world combined on defense? Let’s abdicate the position of “World Police” and cut defense spending by 2/3.

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BTW, ryan voted for the bailouts and the stimulus so not sure why the tea party worships him.

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Texas A&M shooting.

Now do we take people’s guns?

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@ getalife – in order to have the Clinton team balance the budget, you have to ditch Obama. Mr. Bill no likey the big O

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“Texas A&M shooting.

Now do we take people’s guns?”

Nope….

You start to eliminate the gun free zones.

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Ayn,

He is using Clinton’s team and willie is hiring the bushies.

I trust the Clinton team and never trust the bushies.

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@Kyle…understand the S word though I really wonder about those filters…I saw a word earlier I would have expected to get zapped.

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Kyle @1:54– your comment about paying for your grandparents’ SS may be largely accurate, depending on the age of your grandparents, how much FICA they put in and how much they have gotten back, but for the exact same reasons it is largely inaccurate as it pertains to your parents as I assume they are of boomer generation to which you refer. A recent study, which again I will be happy to research and cite if you disagree with my statement, shows that with its large numbers and increased FICA after the 1983 SS reform law, the boomer generation will be the first to put more into SS than it gets back. It is the boomers who built up the $2.7 surplus in the SS Trust Fund. So you owe your parents and other boomers an apology. You may be confused because for accounting reasons the Trust Fund first pays current benefits out of current revenues and then pays out of the interest accumulating on the $2.7 surplus.

This ties into my prior point about being skeptical of effecting the Romney-Ryan budget without negatively impacting SS. You responded that Romney is not talking about raising FICA taxes so you didn’t see how SS benefits would be impacted. Well, raising FICA taxes is 1 of the solutions to SS’s long-term financing problems being discussed. More importantly, if you have further multi-trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthy without touching military expenditures then draconian cuts would have to take place elsewhere. The only source for that kind of money would be entitlements and the temptation to cut SS benefits so as to slow payments out of the $2.7 SS surplus held in US Treasury Bonds would be quite great. Nor do I rule it out that the debt to seniors might simply be reneged on, even before reneging on US Treasury Bond payments to foreign countries, hedge funds and the like. Ryan’s solution in the past has been to support proposals for privatizing SS although, to be fair, Romney has not been quite so extreme. Now, if you want SS financing to change from a non-urgent problem which can be solved with minor modifications to an urgent crisis then this is the way to go. Just take away the FICA revenues from the country’s prime working age people and you will rapidly accelerate the number of years it takes for SS to burn thru its Trust Fund, not to mention to making SS subject to stock market vagaries. So Ryan has an idea, but like many of his others, a very bad idea.

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Works for me. Thanks GOP, for ensuring Obama’s re-election!

Hmmm, let’s see Ryan’s credentials: Never been in military? Check! Never held a private sector job? Check!

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@Kyle Wingfield

August 13th, 2012
3:16 pm
Artful Dodger @ 3:10: Yep, the Obama campaign hecklers certainly are not too thrilled with Ryan. Btw, he kept right on going without missing a beat…so I think the thick skin is taken care of.

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YEAH, because he is USE TO IGNORING the POOR and ELDERLY.

He got that DOWN PAT.

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Kyle Wingfield
August 13th, 2012
3:17 pm
Tealiban @ 3:13: It’s an Obama administration chart. It’s from his FY13 budget…

in which you can see the obvious rise in slope during the Reagan years, the downward trend of the Clinton years, and the dramatic rise during the 2000s decade of Republican policies. Which does Romney/Ryan advocate?

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robme is being mushy as usual on the ryan plan and does not have a plan yet.

He is not ready.

16 is right around the corner.

He lost this one when he said trust him on his taxes.

There is no trust for our pols silly.

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“…I’m not so certain Florida is in the Obama column at this point.”

Given Florida’s ‘00 and ‘04 value, it does seem to place an extremely high bet on getting that message understood.

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If the AJC made Apple profits, perhaps the paper could afford 21st century software.

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When you read Geithner’s comment to Ryan, it really hits home that this administration is the problem when it comes to working with people across the aisle.

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Kyle: Obama has no intention of leveling with the American people. His problem is much simpler than the GOP problem: he honestly believes that he can raise taxes on the so-called “rich” and continue to spend unprecedented amounts of money on welfare programs. He simply fails to understand the true scope of the problem.

On the other hand, Romney and Ryan understand the problem. Further, they have to figure out a way to explain it to the American people. In our hearts we know the federal government cannot continue to spend as it has in recent years. But politicians do no win elections by telling the people the truth. Elections are won by those who are creative enough to have just enough truth in their attack ads demonizing the other side to get 50.1% of people to vote for them.

It really is sad. More than anything the American people need to have an adult conversation. No matter! If we do not get out fiscal house in order, the rest of the world will do it for us by refusing to by American bonds. The Fed cannot print money forever (I think they are already coming to a realization on that front but that is for another day). It will be far better for the country if we deal our debts on our own terms. I pray American will have the courage to do so!

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I’m hearing great reviews on the new movie 2016.
If it is as good as I hear then I hope every independent center and center right person old enough to vote will see it; or as I’m told see the real Obama few people know.

I’ll take that Obama/Biden bet: Ryan will be great going up against Biden the gaffe-nator(sic) in debates particularly on fiscal issues.

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2016: Obama’s America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUjAcK7KHvA&feature=player_embedded

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@Chris Sanchez

August 13th, 2012
3:49 pm
Kyle: Obama has no intention of leveling with the American people. His problem is much simpler than the GOP problem: he honestly believes that he can raise taxes on the so-called “rich” and continue to spend unprecedented amounts of money on welfare programs. He simply fails to understand the true scope of the problem.
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“leveling with the American people?”

Myth Robme and The Boy Wonder Ryan TELLS the poor and

elderly, “You’re On Your Own.”

Myth Robme and The Boy Wonder Ryan TELLS the RICH,

‘WE GOT YOUR BACK.”

CHRIS YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.

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Kyle Wingfield,

Please do. I hope to see this movie tonight.

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Later… got to get a move on if I’m going to catch the show.

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Dem campaign plan: Deflect, Deny & Lie. Obama has zero economic record to run on, so he must resort to distortion. Saw an ad over the weekend where his #2 goal for relection was cutting the deficit. I spit my beer out laughing so hard after seeing that one!

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Joe, the country is in better economic shape today than it was in 2008, no matter what.

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Mary Mother of God must be weeping BECAUSE Paul Ryan, a so called “Catholic”

has NO COMPASSION FOR THE POOR.

THE POPE SAID, “The care of man, his transcendent dignity and his inalienable rights” are issues that

should concern Christians.”

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Where are all the wingnut complaints about Ryan’s lack of “executive experience”? Does Prom King count?

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MHS

Did I say me? No you did

Just because you are gullible enough to believe anything from a right leaning source make it factual, that is your problem. Not mine.

just saying

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Lack of executive experience didn’t seem to bother you in the last election with obama.

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Finn: I mean my goodness, Romney’s only had 4 years of campaigning to come up with a single lucid thought.
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And Obozo’s only had four years to cut the deficit in half as he promised. Instead, he racked up more debt in three-plus years than Our President Bush did in eight.

Obozo is deliberately wrecking the economy. Real Americans don’t fear the facts and will vote for the team that has a plan. Obozo doesn’t.

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Effective executives solve problems, so Obozo STILL doesn’t have executive experience.

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Like the “Nero-esque fiddling” line – good essay. As in 2008, the dems will try to beat something with nothing. But in 2012, the something is quite substantial. Obama – the Seinfeld of the campaign trail.

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So what is the GOP’s plan Kyle? Mitch McConnell said the only thing the Republicans were working on was making sure Obama did not get reelected. So that’s their plan? Good luck with that.

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Lil’ Barry Bailout – Does that crazy come with a side of bacon? cheesy grits?

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Ragnar

Speaking of fried twinkies. Romney will be able to get his share of those along with funnel cakes when he is back wooing folks at the Iowa state fair in his 3rd bid to win the WH.

“Third time will be a charm; I promise. Romney 2016.”

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@Tiberius…”When you read Geithner’s comment to Ryan, it really hits home that this administration is the problem when it comes to working with people across the aisle”

Yeah right…thats why Republcans sued over a Republican idea implemented by Democrats

Thats why Republicans walked from a 4 to 1 spending to revenue increase deal

Thats why Republicans drove us to the edge of default

Thats why Republicans have tripled the number of fillibusters since the last Democratic minority.

‘Cause they aren’t the problem…

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@ Jefferson/rick/dodger–take a look at Greece with 24% unemployment and 54% unemployment for those under age 25. That is what socialism looks like. Another vote for Obozo puts us on the same path. How can you do that to your children/grandchildren? You are all pathetic. Take some individual responsibility already. JFK said “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” Losers.

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Lil Barry can`t have a job or much of a life with the shear number of post he puts up.

That`s a fact Barry, but I`m sure you will have a clever comeback.

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Let’s have a little levity. For a chuckle, go on YouTube and type in “Barack’s Big Candy Mountain.” Enjoy.

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President Clinton’s economy was outstanding.

Lets do it again Americans,

Four more years.

I just hope he keeps his junk away from the interns.

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No attacks and no collapses.

Is that truth in that Obama movie?

Probably nothing but lies as usual?

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No attacks. No collapses. No deficit reduction. No budget. No recovery. No plan. No truth. No transparency. No solutions.

Two, this Obama Guy sure hasn’t delivered on anything

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I read both sides, filter out the bs and tell the truth.

The gop wants you to pay for their collapse.

The wealthy that caused the collapse pay nothing.

The gop thinks Americans are stupid.

Americans want jobs not cuts to their safety net or raising taxes.

Where is the jobs plan?

Tax cuts and no regulation is gop ideology not a jobs plan.

That is the cold hard truth.

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Tiberius – Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

And wrong.

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“No deficit reduction. No budget. No recovery. No plan. No truth. No transparency. No solutions.”

Nothing but lies.

Americans are sick of your lies.

Write the truth or keep your lies to yourself con.

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This blog should join the reality based community.

The con knee jerk reaction to lie and attack our President is ridiculous.

Grow up and join the real world.

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@Tiberius…”Yeah, let’s return to the artificial dot com bubble days”

Wouldn’t that have been a relief compared to the TAX CUTS WAAAAHOOOO, Osama Who?, lets fight two wars, financial market meltdown Daze of Duhbya?

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The American people want jobs not cuts to their safety net or higher taxes willie robme promises.

willie robme is out of touch with the majority of the American people. ryan is a joke like palin.

The majority rules and the dems will win.

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“Too many folks still don’t have a sense that tomorrow will be better than today. And so, the question in this election is which way do we go?” President Obama asked at a fundraiser in Chicago on Sunday.

“Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?” Obama asked.

Prosperity should be shared by the government taking money from the people that worked hard and redistributing it to the people not responsible. Pure freaking socialism.

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td

Did you also hit the sport and food blogs?

You might want to hit them all with your infamous Dicky Morris info.

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Goodness, the DNC is really spending money here today. Never saw so many passing on info right off today’s DNC info.sheet.. Some of ‘em been here eight hours so they’ll be leaving soon.

But that “fried twinkies” line is really good. It is just sooo liberal-like….

And should I mention Mr. Remedial aka Logical Song who loves to tell everybody how to make a reeeelly good post? Uh huh

Give that fellow a fried twinkie! He’ s hungry!!

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gm

August 13th, 2012
5:38 pm

“You have to be a complete idiot to vote for these to millionaires, Paul wants to do away with SSI and let the private sector run it,”

1: Ryan received RSDI not SSI. RSDI are survivors benefits for children that whose parent paid into the system for a minimum of 10 years. SSI is for people that do not work and have not paid into the system.

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safety net, Oops.
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Up Up and Away

August 13th, 2012
5:42 pm

td

Did you also hit the sport and food blogs?

You might want to hit them all with your infamous Dicky Morris info.

I see you hit all the blogs as well. The difference is I bet you have changed screen names plenty of times.

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He did lil bar, 2000 per year times four.

That is what you will vote for but I have no doubt he could promise to steal everything you own and you cons will vote for that.

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getalife

August 13th, 2012
5:43 pm

How does the government ensure “shared prosperity”?

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Tiberius – I cannot take you seriously. Period.

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getalife: He did lil bar, 2000 per year times four.
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You shouldn’t have any trouble finding that in his economic proposals and providing a link, in that case.

Didn’t think so.

Liar.

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“Prosperity should be shared by the government taking money from the people that worked hard and redistributing it to the people not responsible”

So the firemen, policemen, nurses and others who will have their taxes raised didn’t work hard?

Ok, maybe not as hard as the lobbyist who secured the no-bid contract with the government, but still, they did some work

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getalife-less,

I thought you were the one who wanted “respect” for the presidency, even the candidates.

What happened? You decided to join the mob? “willie robme”?…not even clever!

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Dusty,

He will robme 2000 per year.

The name fits.

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He is not President Dusty.

Never will be because he is out of touch with the majority.

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As long as Ryan is willing to start his speech with “Under my plan, Romney pays less than 1% in taxes. And here’s why this is a good thing for the middle class”

Not saying it’s not good, but let’s just be upfront and honest about how the plan affects your running mate.

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Looks like Mitt got his hair dyed today everything is black except the sides. Probably could not get it painted on the bus!!

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Dusty

Stick to your poetry. You weak political commentary is pretty sad and of course shallow.

You are probably wear floaties when come on this blog.

“But Kyle, they call Romney and you names”………..
that was classic

hahahahahahaha

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Hi Dusty,

I can see you do not have much to say on subject either. No wonder, when Kyle cannot come up with anything better than inventing his own meaning to what Geithner said back in February (!).

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It looks like from the graph, The Obama administration will have the financial situation stabilized well past 2016, after which Obama will no longer be President.

If I recall correctly, all the wingnuts here are constantly reminding us that Bush is no longer president, despite the fact that it was under his watch that the nation’s economic house was demolished. By their logic, the fact that Bush left office with the house burning to the ground is irrelevant to the fact that Obama is currently overseeing a 1/2 built house (still under construction). They choose to ignore that Obama first had to put out the fire and then gather the construction materials before he could repair historically unprecedented damage.

To be consistent therefore, the wingnuts will have to agree that the Obama plan is absolutely fine, because whatever happens to the country after the minute he leaves office (in 2016 of course)is no longer his fault. Unless of course, that only applies if you are a Republican.

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Lil’ Barry – Wrong. More wrong. Always wrong. Wrongest. Never right. Just plain wrong.

Right?

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Dusty

Let me extend an apology for my paraphrasing. Please see below for the correction.

Dusty

August 8th, 2012
6:38 pm
“…………insinuating the worst, insulting Romney (and you Kyle) in every possible way. Logic responds to them in a much finer state that is given to him and he does it with facts. ”

Have a great night

bwhahahahahahahaha

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
6:01 pm
Don’t fear facts getalife.

Obozo is lying, and you lap it up.

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It takes a liar to know a liar.

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Dear Mark V

I was just leaving…Well, for one thing, how many times can I say that I am terribly pleased over the Romney selection of Ryan and his sensible plan.. I like a sound fiscal conservative.

As to Geithner, did he ever get his taxes paid? I doubt that Kyle “invented” a new meaning to Geithner’s words. Sound’s like Kyle’s honest opinion to me. You forget that we don’t all think alike. We don’t and it is not a lie to think differently.

But I’m glad you dropped by. Always good to fuss with you. I must run!

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Under the Ryan Budget THE RICH WILL ONLY PAY

0.2%

0.2%

0.2%

0.2%

0.2%

0.2%

0.2%

That means Robme WILL ONLY PAY 0.2%.

NO WONDER HE PICKED PAUL RYAN.

hmmmmmmmmm

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getalife

Frum is on your team.

Hey, did anyone else notice that there are a bunch of libs out there that want to be known as a Conservative but there are no Conservatives that want to be known as a lib?

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Logical song,

That statement you quoted was in connection to another blogger named LOGIC. Now he had good sense but is no longer with us. I miss him.

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Ryan has a plan–Obama does not–thus Obama is the one throwing granny over the cliff and is also the one whose Unaffordable Health Care act is going to 700+ billion from medicare—now that’s real mediscare from the left—just they and their media will not talk about that. Tiberius is 100% correct—i’ll go for $3 to $4 in cuts and agree to a $1 tax increase—if and only if the cuts come first and we see them for 2 to 3 years before hiking taxes (maybe taxes will not need to be hiked?) That’s a more sensible way to do it. Ryan’s plan protects everyone over 55 y.o. —they keep what they have now –medicare and all. Then changes are made gradually in order to keep the country solvent. Under Obama we are going broke. His deficit increases have outpaced nearly all other presidents combined. Now we need 4 more years of that?? I think not.

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mike, did you finally find the part of the trustee’s plan that stated the Medicare trust fund goes broke in 2024?

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Dusty

Do not be confused with someone who has similar political views as having good sense. Sort of like pandering to Kyle, Bookman or any other blog host. That makes no sense.

But you have an awesome evening.

Be safe if you are driving. Raining where I am at

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
6:32 pm

Why are you defending Myth Robme and The Wonder Boy Ryan they

don’t have a hoot about you CAUSE YOU AIN’T RICH.

They are looking out for THEIR OWN.

YOU ARE NOT IN THEIR CLASS.

“If you are not RICH DON’T BLAME THEM BLAME YOURSELF.”

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
6:39 pm
under the Ryan plan the rich will only pay 0.2% in taxes
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Isn’t mental retardation sad?

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“YOUR name-calling technique TRIES TO link a person, or idea,

to a negative symbol (MENTAL RETARDATION).

When you use this technique YOU hope that the audience will reject

the person or the idea on the basis of YOUR negative symbol

(MENTAL RETARDATION) instead of looking at the FACTS.

WE GOT YOUR NUMBER LIL BARRY.

STICKS AND STONES…..heeheeheeheeheeheehee

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I did find this Barry:

“The projected 75-year actuarial deficit in the HI Trust Fund is 1.35 percent of taxable payroll, up from 0.79 percent projected in last year’s report. The HI fund again fails the test of short-range financial adequacy, as projected assets are already below one year’s projected expenditures and are expected to continue declining. The fund also continues to fail the long-range test of close actuarial balance. The Trustees project that the HI Trust Fund will pay out more in hospital benefits and other expenditures than it receives in income in all future years, as it has since 2008. The projected date of HI Trust Fund exhaustion is 2024, the same date projected in last year’s report, at which time dedicated revenues would be sufficient to pay 87 percent of HI costs. The Trustees project that the share of HI expenditures that can be financed with HI dedicated revenues will decline slowly to 67 percent in 2045, and then rise slowly until it reaches 69 percent in 2086. The HI 75-year actuarial imbalance amounts to 36 percent of tax receipts or 26 percent of program cost.”

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/index.html

It would appear to any thinking person that Medicare can be saved with a .0135 (1.35%) increase in the payroll deduction for Medicare. That would be a whopping $6.75 per $1,000.00 of payroll for the employee and the employer.

Like I always say, it’s better to throw out the whole program that to have a tax increase.

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
6:43 pm
It’s not their job to look after me–that’s my job.

Pretty much sums up the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Makers vs. Takers

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WILL YOU PAY 0.2% in taxes?

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Dusty @6:32 pm

Dear Dusty,
Perhaps you will come back later, so here is my answer. As I told Kyle earlier, when someone quotes somebody else and then says, “in other words,” you expect that he/she will offer the same meaning of the quote, only expresses it in different words. But there is no way you, Kyle, or anybody else can claim that “we prefer Nero-esque fiddling to your plan” (or the other Kyle’s statement) means the same as “We’re not coming before you to say we have a definitive solution to our long-term problem. What we do know is we don’t like yours.” And it cannot be “Kyle’s honest opinion” either, can it? He may consider Geithner’s plan to be “Nero-esque fiddling,” but no rational person would believe that Geithner does, which Kyle’s version suggests. It is not a lie to think differently, but it is dishonest to claim that the words of somebody have a meaning, which they clearly have not. You can expect something like this from some posting here, but I expect something better from a journalist. And as I also mentioned earlier, this is not the first time.

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@Beverly Fraud

August 13th, 2012
6:50 pm
Let’s see, according to Kyle, we have a choice between someone asking for a handout (with no discernible plan to get a job) and a guy who pulls a gun on you and says “Gimme your wallet!” (Hey, it’s a PLAN!)

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“Gimme your wallet”

“It’s a plan”

heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee

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Barry, how was I wrong?

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You were wrong in denying that the Medicare trust fund was going broke.

I win.

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
6:57 pm
Beverly, your implicit admission that you don’t believe it’s your job to provide for yourself and your family is pretty sad.

It’s also the reason our economy is a wreck and our deficit is $1.5 trillion a year.

You are the problem.

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ATTENTION BLOGGERS:

Lil Barry is:

THE SMARTEST

THE MOST INTELLIGENT

MR. KNOW IT ALL

MR. I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THIS BLOG WITH ANY SENSE.

MR. EVERYONE ONE ON THIS BLOG IS WRONG

MR. YOU CAN’T TELL ME NOTHING.

MR. I HATE EVERYONE BUT ME.

MR. I HIDE BEHIND MY COMPUTER AND SPEW HATE AND INSULTS.

MR. I WOULD NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY IT TO YOUR FACE.

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Actual cbo analysis of Ryan’s plan for those that may wish to educate themselves on the subject vs just listening to the red meat thrown out by both sides:

http://roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/cbo01-27-ryan-roadmap-letter.pdf

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Lord, just give me the strength to live to until after the first Tuesday in November.

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“You are the problem.”

@Lil what I am implying is I’d rather deal with a beggar than a mugger.

I never said Ryan’s plan WASN’T better; I just think he should be open and honest and start with “I acknowledge my plan requires Romney to pay 1% but I think this is good for the middle class because…

But, since we are talking about “givers and takers”, do you rate Jenna Jameson as a more productive (and thus valuable) member of society than a nurse because her profession produces more jobs (pun intended) than the nurse’s does?

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Anybody who uses the term Myth Robme to describe the GOP nominee doesn’t deserve any attention.

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Beverly: “I acknowledge my plan requires Romney to pay 1%”
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You might start out by dealing in facts. What you’re spouting is Trashman-quality garbage. Get a grip.

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
7:10 pm
Yep, Obozo has a track record.

Had enough of it?
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How can Ryan SELL his plan to PEOPLE WHO DON’T KNOW

WHAT A MILLION DOLLARS LOOKS LIKE?

heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee

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polls show Americans want good paying jobs
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OK. Thanks for that, Captain Obvious. Obozo’s been in office going on four years. He inherited an economy in recovery. What happened?

Obozo: Fail.

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
7:12 pm
Beverly: “I acknowledge my plan requires Romney to pay 1%”
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You might start out by dealing in facts. What you’re spouting is Trashman-quality garbage. Get a grip.

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WHEN did you ever let FACTS GET IN THE WAY?

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“You can go post there, right?”

LOL.

What happened?

Steady job growth after you lost millions of jobs.

Easy choice.

Steady job growth con.

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md, your Kaiser link is not to a piece of proposed legislation but which is to sort of a paper on basic priniciples to be considered in fashioning legislation. This is not a “co-sponsored” piece of legislation. In fact, Senator Wyden denies he ever co-sponsored any such thing with Ryan and has voted against every bill Ryan has ever supported. Be more careful with your description of facts.

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“actually apologized to me, and then banned me.”

Jay warned you but you failed to listen.

You blame others for your mistakes.

No personal responsibility.

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No, getalife, there was nothing to “warn” me about. I suspect Jay was too embarrassed about the episode to allow my continued presence.

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@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
7:15 pm
polls show Americans want good paying jobs
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OK. Thanks for that, Captain Obvious. Obozo’s been in office going on four years. He inherited an economy in recovery. What happened?

Obozo: Fail.

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Obama leads Romney by nine points, says opinion poll.

Polls show that Obama has a higher likability rating than ROBME.

Polls show that Obama has a higher approval for turning the country

around than ROBME.

Obama: WINNING

GOOGLE IT…..I dare you

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Lil Bar,

I will ask him to give you another chance.

Can you be good or will he ban you again?

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When I was at Bookman’s, I wasn’t at Kyle’s. It’s one or the other…who has the time? I’m not getting paid for this, after all.

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Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American

August 13th, 2012
7:18 pm
You can go post there, right?
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Actually, I can’t. I used to, but at one point Bookman slandered me, was shown to have done so erroneously, actually apologized to me, and then banned me.

Draw your own conclusion.

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MY CONCLUSION…………….

If he banned you…..he did not SLANDER YOU.

If Kyle did not need you to antagonize liberals he would BAN YOU TO.

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md

Those quotes are from yesterday, but think as you wish.

Again, I agree that people need to do their homework. I would just say that you need to take your own advice.

Plus, if you think Wyden is the “key” to send Romney to the WH, you are sadly mistaken and will be disappointed.

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@Lil, going with LOGIC and COMMON SENSE. If something THAT damning wasn’t true, the Romney camp would have already responded.

Would YOU care to show us that link?

And if they haven’t, that’s a pretty damning indictment that they aren’t ready to lead anyway.

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“md, your Kaiser link is not to a piece of proposed legislation but which is to sort of a paper on basic priniciples to be considered in fashioning legislation.”

Never said it was legislation…..words do have meaning, hence the use of the word “plan”

“I also understand that Ryan has since made some changes with co-sponsor Wyden (D). One can see that plan here:”

As for Wyden denying working with Ryan…..you may want to read his own words:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-ron-wyden/preserving-the-medicare-g_b_1365237.html

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Hi I am Paul Ryan, I support women rights but I voted against the Ledbetter act for equal pay, and the idiots on the right wonder why Obama has a 14 point lead among women.
What does this say about conservative white women? talking about brain wash by the idiots of the tea party”””””’

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Well I’ll just put it out there for others to agree or disagree.

If Romney paying 1% under Ryan’s original plan WASN’T true, wouldn’t Romney’s camp have but out an effective rebuttal by now?

Readers?

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Lil Barry the 1% thing is gaining a LOT a traction, so logic and common sense tells you two things:

-It’s true and Romney can’t rebut it
-It’s not true and Romney is too incompetent to rebut it

Guess there is a third choice: There are on the web admiring Jenna Jameson, since she is known to be a job (no pun intended) producer.

Although I’m not sure Larry “Wide Stance” Craig ever expressed an appreciation for the jobs she produced.

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Where are all the rebuttals to the obvious lie than Romney wouldn’t have paid 1% on Ryan’s plan?

After all it IS a lie isn’t it?

Lil Barry? Lil Barry?

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“Romney is not going to win.”

And I would have taken the odds that the Braves weren’t going to blow an 8 game lead too….

It’s why they have to play the games……..and why we vote….

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md

Casinos are open when you are ready. You can get some good odds if you want Romney

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Riding….in August of 1980, Carter lead Reagan 45-29……that’s 16 points and Carter lost by 10. A 26 point swing…….

We still have a long ways to go……but be my guest if you want to play the odds…..it’s your money.

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@md

August 13th, 2012
8:15 pm
“According to the link, the plan would lower taxes on the rich, raise them on the middle class and possibly the lower class ”

You left out a very important word……”assumption

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Myth Robme said people would not vote for me if they knew what I was going to do.

Lowering taxes for the rich………..

Its a done deal with Robme and The Boy Wonder Ryan.

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“Obama does not have a 35% favor-ability rating as did Carter.”

And was that favor-ability rating of 35 in August when he had a polling of 45%?

Without checking, that seems to be a bit unlikely…….

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md

No excuses. If they best you have is one polls in 1980 as some barometer for 2012, you already know in your own mind what is coming down the road………………

But keep the faith

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“You are an intelligent guy”

Just smart enough to know there are no givens…….

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Seeing how Ryan’s plan doesn’t actually deal with the bulk of costs in the next twenty years….I’m not sure you can actually say there is a definitive GOP plan in place. We know tax rates will be cut…what spending will be cut to pay for them? Who knows….but I guess it shouldn’t matter because they will pay for themselves, right?

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BW: tax rates will be cut…what spending will be cut to pay for them?
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Tax revenues went up after Our President Bush cut tax rates for all tax payers. You’ll have to prove that revenues would fall before demanding any rate reductions be “paid for”.

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Romney and Ryan make the election a clear choice — self-interest vs. community

- The Washington Post

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The audacity – and mendacity – of the Romney-Ryan team is staggering. What do you say about the moral compass of people who will abandon the sick, the old, children, the poor to charity. And abandon them for no other reason than to sweep more money to the wealthiest among us. It’s obscene.

Let’s face it, their bosses (Koch boys, FreedomWorks, Sheldon Adelstein, NRA, etc) are the guys calling the shots. Romney-Ryan will do what any employee selected for his willingness to compromise his character will do – whatever he’s told.

I worry about the low information voter who is so easily swayed by the obfuscation and lies tossed out to them daily by the Limbaugh/FOX/Beck/Palin GOP toadies. And I worry about the voters the GOP is trying to disenfranchise – anything to win.

But most of all I worry about how in the world our country could survive these two. We’re in for a wild ride. – Janice, San Francisco

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I’ll take self-interest over communism every time, Mister.Earl

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“This is not about free enterprise, and it’s not about personal liberty; those fundamental principles are unquestioned. But for at least the past 100 years, we have understood capitalism and freedom to exist within a larger context — a complicated, real-world, human context. Some people begin life at a disadvantage, and it’s in the national interest to open doors of opportunity for them. Some people make mistakes, and it’s in the national interest to create second chances. Some people are too young, too old or too infirm to care for themselves, and it’s in the national interest to secure their welfare.

This sense of the balance between individualism and community fueled the American Century. Romney and Ryan apparently don’t believe in it.”

– Eugene Robinson

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Cherokee: You might want to be think twice before tossing around slurs.
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And you might want to familiarize yourself with the particulars of the Ryan tax reform plan, rather than taking the word of liars. You won’t look so foolish that way, when I fill in the blanks for you.

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Dr Boag I’m sure that you’re also familiar with Matthew 25:40 – which teaches that ‘nations’ will be judged on how well they care for their poor and widows and sick. Perhaps Obamacare and Medicare and Medicaid – all targeted for extinction by Ryan-Romney to pay for tax cuts for the very rich – would be in line with Scriptural teaching?

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The only way that these fiscal issues can be solved is compromise. Kyle, your republican party has rejected that idea. They have shown since day 1 of President Obama’s administration that they want the country to fail so they can gain politically. Remember the debt ceiling nonsense? It was Paul Ryan and the House republicans that were willing to have this country go in to default for the first time in history. And these so called “bold” and “gutsy” solutions to the debt and deficit problems Ryan wants will be a disaster for poor and middle class working people.

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Lil Barry – you have no desire to listen or learn so why engage anyone?

I find your screen name insulting and your point of view arrogant beyond words. Please do not respond.

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Mister.Earl: I find your screen name insulting and your point of view arrogant beyond words.
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This blog is not about you.

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Archibald Leach: The only way that these fiscal issues can be solved is compromise.
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Here’s how Obozo compromises: “I won”

Too darn funny, Archie!

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Cap Gains tax is a penalty on being responsible
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Amen, td.

Obozo doesn’t care how high the tax rate is on capital gains, because his loser base doesn’t have any.

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If the Democrats win, bury what money you have in the back yard, you will need it. And–you may have to guard your back yard. Geithner is just a bobble head for the current administration. He has no plan. Nor do they except spend, spend, spend with borrowed money.

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Cap gains tax?

Now that depends on whose cap gains we are talking about…….Obama is good about creating these arbitrary lines (class warfare?) pitting one group against another. His proposal again has a cut-off point on cap gains taxes, and it’s always “because they have it”. (And that only makes real sense if everybody makes the same choices in life but we don’t, so go from there)

Now, go to an across the board cap gains increase, and these same folks that are on one side of the arbitrary line suddenly become allies with those they were ready to shaft……..good ole human nature.

As an aside…..if one believes another should pay more in taxes based solely on the “just because they have it” principle, one may want to take a good hard look at themselves……….

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Dusty @10:02 pm

Dusty,
I am afraid you are the one who has a problem not just with language, but with grasping ideas. In addition, being condescending is not an attractive trait.

I know quite well the expression about Nero. (Whether you know or not that it is a false history in another matter, which I won’t go into here.) But you have simply failed to understand the point I was making. What else is new?

Had Kyle written that he considered Geither’s statement similar to Nero’s (presumed) total disregard for Rome as it burned, I would not have objected. That would have been simply an expression of Kyle’s opinion, and as I said many times, I do not argue with such opinions. When you express the opinion that Geithner’s statement was not a constructive consideration of a dire situation, I do not argue with it. That is your opinion, and I might even agree with it. But what Kyle did was to claim that Geithner’s statement was an expression of Geithner’s view that they, meaning the Administration, PREFER Nero-esque fiddlin to the Republican alternative. That it is their INTENTION to “let Rome burn.” It is a way of attributing to the Administration not just a bad policy, but intentionally a policy, that is harmful. And that I find insulting.

It is the same type of insulting writing Kyle has used in other cases, such as when he translated Obama’s words about having “flexibility in negotiation” into a promise “to cave in.” It was an accusation of the President to have an intention to do harm to the country. In essence, it was an accusation of a treasonable intention. And that is a behavior on the side of Kyle which I find disgusting and unforgivable.

But whether you can understand those distinctions appears to be questionable.

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Correction:

Generosity as Jesus TAUGHT IT…

Sorry for the omission.

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I know Americans have the attention span of a gnat, but it seems to me Boehner and Obama had sat down and trashed out a grand bargain that would have produced ten dollars in spending cuts for every new dollar of revenue. Revenues are taxes. Governments have been collecting taxes to meet expenditures for about five thousand years now. Anyway the tea party had arrived, and they didn’t want any part of any new taxes. Remember they promised Grover that they’d never ever do such a horrible thing. Bottom line nothing got done.

Now comes November, and we all get to decide whether we pay our bills on time or whether we create a bizzarro new universe where nobody pays taxes and we all keep our billions in secret off shore bank accounts.

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But most of all I worry about how in the world our country could survive these two. We’re in for a wild ride. – Janice, San Francisco

Funny…Janice doesn’t mention how property values in San Francisco pushed middle to lowin-income families into Stockton, the city that recently filed bankruptcy due to the public-sector unions’ greed.

Watched a program on Stockton’s situation. Living in Stockton is like living in a third-world country.

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Kyle- In other words, we prefer Nero-esque fiddling to your plan. In other words, we’d rather stick to promises that can’t be kept than level with the American people and treat them like adults.

Well said.

Vote obama: You were dumb enough to fall for it last time!

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The Ryan/Romney campaign crave privatizing social security for people under the age of 55, making medicare a voucher system, cutting food stamps in half and eliminating medicaid altogether… The senior retirees who collect social security and medicare will “wither on the vine” when the workers under 55 stop paying into the S.S. pension system… The Ryan/Romney plan for our entitlement social programs spell doom for middle class and working class Americans…

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ODD OWL:

If by ‘progressive’ you mean communist, I’m in complete agreement re that point. Romney/Ryan, like so very many Americans, know that we have great financial problems that must be addressed. These problems have been magnified greatly by the ‘obama experiment’. If we want our children and grandchildren to inherit a better country, or if America is to survive at all, obama and the lunatic communists must be defeated. Then we can go about addressing the massive debt we now face – due in no small part to obama’s policies. The issues of class warfare and racial division created by obama must also be healed.

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