Why I like the Ryan pick
I was out of the house all morning and didn’t have a chance until now to blog about Mitt Romney’s pick of Paul Ryan as a running mate. But now I have time, and I must say: Ryan is an excellent pick.
I have made a few mentions during the past couple of months about my enthusiasm for putting Bobby Jindal on the ticket, and I still think he would have made a good choice. But he and Ryan, who for a long time didn’t appear to be on Romney’s short list, are like a No. 1 and No. 1a for me.
Some people will say Ryan is a risky pick because he has laid out the most detailed plan of just about any elected official — from either of the two major parties — about how to put Washington’s fiscal house in order. That means he brings a lot of targets with him onto the ticket, about Medicare in particular. To those people I say: You are crazy if you think the Obama campaign wasn’t going to make Romney answer for Ryan’s plan anyway.
For one thing, Romney already had endorsed the biggest aspects of the Ryan road map. For another, it’s already abundantly clear that the Obama campaign, which has already suggested Romney is a felon and tried to pin a woman’s death on him, considers nothing off-limits in this race. Romney could have disavowed Ryan’s plan altogether, and there still would have been a TV ad at some point showing Romney helping Ryan push Granny off a cliff.
So, I don’t think the risk is as great as you might be led to believe. But the potential reward is all there.
Paul Ryan has been the face of the GOP on these issues for more than two years now, and he has proven unafraid of taking arguments about taxes, spending, deficits, debt and entitlements straight to President Obama. He will boost tea-party enthusiasm about the GOP ticket, and he might be just the edge Romney needs to win in key Midwestern swing states: not just his home state of Wisconsin, but also Ohio, Michigan and perhaps Minnesota and even Pennsylvania. Giving him a national platform to talk about these issues and his plans to address them, and putting the Romney stamp of approval on those plans, means Obama won’t have to answer only about his mediocre record in office. He’ll also, finally, have to tell us exactly how he would tackle these problems.
Sorry, Mr. President, but the Buffett Rule won’t be enough.
It’s incredible, really, that the man who has presided over three straight trillion-dollar budget deficits, and whose proposed budgets make no attempt to rein them in, has been allowed to skate by as easily as he has on this topic. Even Obama’s own party, which still controls the Senate, makes no attempt to work with his budget proposals, much less approve them. He is very vulnerable on this issue.
Mitt Romney is not going to win a popularity contest, and he’s not going to win a small-issues election. Michael Dukakis tried to win on “competence” and couldn’t even beat George “The Vision Thing” Bush. Even the stagnant economy is not enough to put Romney in the White House — although he must still keep hammering at that issue. Incumbent presidents lose when the public thinks the challenger has a better idea of where to take us, and how to get there. Putting Ryan on the ticket means Romney intends to fight a big-issues election, and that he has the running mate to help him lay out that vision.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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getalife
August 11th, 2012
2:06 pm
The referendum on our President failed with his horrible Summer so he changed the course because he was losing the base.
I think he just lost the house and if you want to address welfare, include corporate welfare and the tax code or zip it.
The gop just spent another 642 billion on defense for the mic.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
2:07 pm
Firsty.
ByteMe
August 11th, 2012
2:21 pm
Some people will say Ryan is a risky pick because he has laid out the most detailed plan of just about any elected official — from either of the two major parties — about how to put Washington’s fiscal house in order.
… except that any fair assessment of the “plan” ends up with a conclusion that the plan results in a large deficit than the path the President has proposed. Such a plan you have in Ryan…..
Class of '98
August 11th, 2012
2:24 pm
I can’t wait to see Ryan debate that doofus Joe Biden.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
2:27 pm
Yes, lets talk about the votes to end Medicare.
Lets talk about the votes to march lock step with w to collapse the global economy.
Lets talk about the votes for the bailouts and the stimulus.
Lets talk about losing 9 million jobs then fighting against our recovery.
Lets talk about the gop do nothing congress then flip the house to the dems..
getalife
August 11th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Romney Immediately Distances Himself From Ryan Budget” aol.
Flip flop.
That was quick.
@@
August 11th, 2012
2:32 pm
Nobody can accuse Ryan of being a Washington slacker.
Mr. Ryan studied economics in college and meant to become an economist. Somewhere between stints working for Jack Kemp, a mentor, and Senator Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas, he meandered into public policy. The inner nerd seeps through: he often sleeps on a cot in the office, says he has “every 15-minute interval” scheduled months in advance, and writes up PowerPoint presentations himself.–NYTimes
Thank you, Bill Bennett! Ryan is just what this country needs. His objective is to reform Washington, not America.
@@
August 11th, 2012
2:35 pm
I read a funny take on Obama’s “They bring a knive, we bring a gun” comment.
When it comes to Ryan v Biden. Ryan brings the gun and Biden brings a butter knife.
Too cute.
@@
August 11th, 2012
2:36 pm
Oops! That should’ve been transform government, not America.
hsn
August 11th, 2012
2:39 pm
It should have been either Chris Christie or Marco Rubio.
Like Ryan, both are also smart, BUT Rubio and Christie are more exciting and would garner more votes which is what really counts…
JDW
August 11th, 2012
2:39 pm
@Kyle…”It’s incredible, really, that the man who has presided over three straight trillion-dollar budget deficits, and whose proposed budgets make no attempt to rein them in, has been allowed to skate by as easily as he has on this topic.”
Spreading the manure early eh Kyle. As you well know the first of those deficits was in fact inherited from Duhbya and while the decrease has not been much it has decreased since. As you also well know the defict been driven as much by revenues as spending which was also an inherited problem.
As for Ryan, this pick puts the Medicare issue front and center which is a net negitive for Romney/Ryan. The other issue is that this is clearly an attempt to make the deficit a central message…according to Rassmussen these are the top 10 issues of this election…
Economy 74%
Health Care 67%
Gov’t Ethics and Corruption 64%
Taxes 55%
Energy Policy 44%
Education 55%
Social Security 60%
Immigration 47%
National Security/War on Terror 46%
Afghanistan 30%
Please note where the deficit falls on that list.
Kyle Wingfield
August 11th, 2012
2:42 pm
JDW: FY10, FY11, FY12 — none inherited from anyone. Ryan will be an asset on health care, taxes and Social Security.
DannyX
August 11th, 2012
2:46 pm
Paul Ryan is an anti-Reagan Republican who will be cheered by the Tea Party, and most likely alienate independents. Romeny has gone from trailing Obama by 1.8% 2 weeks ago, to trailing by 4.6% today according to the Real Clear Politics average. In those 2 weeks Romney has lost support from independent voters not Tea Party voters who are motivated by one thing only, ending Obama’s political career.
Reagan- “Deficits don’t matter.”
Ryan- Hates deficits
Reagan- Largely responsible for the Earned Income Credit that Republicans hate. “42% pay no taxes.”
Ryan- Would end the Earned Income Credit.
Reagan- Expanded Medicare
Ryan- Would gut Medicare.
Reagan- Raised taxes
Ryan- Would cut taxes on the rich
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
2:46 pm
All these people who have been lambasting Romney for lack of specifics can now shut up. I pointed out all along that after 3.5 years we still have no specifics from Obama, just give Romney a chance. Obama’s featherweight economic policy is just tax the rich and improvise from their.
Now, the left will not like the Ryan Plan, but at least Romney/Ryan can say we have a plan. Obama has no plan. That in itself is pathetic when our President does not have any semblance of an economic strategy to create jobs, nor address the deficit, nor address the debt, nor how to craft a budget, nor how to reform income taxes, nor a plan to control spending.
The Ryan plan is going to be attacked as “extreme”. Some one who believes in only spending what you earn is “extreme” in today’s America. This “Extreme” plan balances the budget in something like 28 years or so. How can that be “Extreme”. What, are we supposed to wait 100 years to balance the budget? What the heck is the Obama plan to balance the budget? No existent, that is EXTREME.
DannyX
August 11th, 2012
2:48 pm
“Ryan will be an asset on health care, taxes and Social Security.”
How so? Recent polls show Ryan’s proposals are unpopular.
yuzeyurbrane
August 11th, 2012
2:52 pm
As Dirty Harry would say, “make my day.” I hope Romney clearly and unequivocally runs on Ryan’s proposals for Medicare, Social Security and taxes and that Obama clearly points out the disaster they would be for most people. But they won’t. Mitt’s in charge and both will soon start backing away and otherwise obfuscating their positions on these issues.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
2:53 pm
JDW
Where the deficit falls on your list. #1, 74% think the economy is the number one issue. Paul Ryan believes the debt and deficit are two of the biggest reasons for the economic malaise. He is pretty good at explaining his reasoning and the fact that those have to be addressed to get the economic engine moving again.
Shine
August 11th, 2012
3:01 pm
bwah ha ha ha…….look at all the deficit voting Ryan did while Bush was president…GM bailouit, TARP, medicare part d unfunded, wars and more wars, etc etc etc…now by golly he and the rest of the kooks is serious about cuttting spending, just not their stuff. Republicans have gone to crap and make me sick.
Truth Squad
August 11th, 2012
3:04 pm
Romney/Ryan plan is Tax cuts for the rich + making future seniors pay thousands more for Medicare = a massive loss in November for Republicans.
The truth is Team Romney made a desperate pick. Too bad they didn’t consult Team McCain for lessons learned before they did so.
Another truth is that Romney is still at the top of the ticket, is wildly unpopular except with the unreconstructed Obama haters and needs to show his tax returns already.
I ‘m sure Obama/Biden thanks the Republican Party for conceding the White House and Senate and making the election about control of the House. All the Super-Pac money in the world isn’t going to convince enough voters to vote to cut Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid while adding trillions to the nation’s debt!
getalife
August 11th, 2012
3:05 pm
Shine,
Yes, real Americans are sick of the gop and the radical cons.
This election is the pay back.
Four more years!
RW-(the original)
August 11th, 2012
3:06 pm
Most of the FY 09 budget wasn’t passed until W was long gone either. Ryan was far and away my first choice so I couldn’t be happier about it.
getalife,
Butch Patrick is indeed still alive but I don’t know that he still has the hairline to pull off an impression.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
3:07 pm
Kyle, Ryan was a good pick, if for nothing else it shifts the topic off Obama’s mudslinging to the real issues.
It will be hard for Obama to continue the personal destruction attack on Romney, when Ryan is out there everyday explaining how he is going to get America working and the economy moving again. Some MSM reporter inevitably will slip up and ask Obama a question about something Ryan has proposed. I’m sure Obama will try and get by with slinging mud at Ryan/Romney, or by tossing out his mumbo jumbo about going back, the “we ain’t going back” crap, but eventually he will be forced to explain how his plan/policy differs from Romney/Ryan. That is where he is on shaky ground, as he has no plan and his policies have failed and are not supported by the American people.
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
3:11 pm
As you also well know the defict been driven as much by revenues as spending which was also an inherited problem.
JDW–It’s this simple: The budget for the majority of the Bush years averaged in the $2.5 T range. It spiked at the end due to TARP and some stimulus spending, both one-time expenditures. Since then, federal spending has remained in the $3.5 T range, a nearly 50% increase. Though revenue has been down, spending has gone waaaay up. We need to roll back the spending, period.
Ray
August 11th, 2012
3:16 pm
It is going to be a great race. Mitt needs to man up on his tax returns if we are going to take up tax and entitlement reform. Just get it over with, Mitt. I like to learn how Mitt avoided taxes, we all could learn from Mitt’s experience, truly.
All the same, I admit, I am one of those “idiots” that doesn’t take every deduction I am entitled to by law, because frankly some years it gets to the point where it feels immoral to do so. It cost money to run this country, and I have been blessed. Yes, they are off the books contributions to my country. I didn’t deduct my daughter’s Dressage classes, for strengthening or repairing her torn ligaments. Yes, some folks stretch deductions to cover all their hobbies and vacations, and, later brag about it. Ayn Rand fan, I am not.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
3:19 pm
RW
That 09 ruse about it being Bush’s budget is just so much horse hockey. Bush has said he never asked for all those earmarks and would have vetoed many of them. Obama vetoed none deliberately. At the time, Obama was signing off on all the earmarks and excessive spending tucked into those bills, he was advocating that Government needed to stimulate the economy. He was lobbying for the Porkulus Bill to be passed. He would have looked like he didn’t believe in his ideology if he vetoed spending in one place and lobbied for more spending in another.
He believed that Gov spending was the way out of the downturn. He owns it. He then turns around and said all this 2009 delusional spending and the Porkulus Bill should be credited to Bush. He then uses 2009 as a baseline, so all outlying years, where spending was minutely less, would look like he cut spending. A Deceiver in Chief, is what he is.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
3:27 pm
Ohh let us Republicans dance in the streets while Dems sulk in the shade over Romney’s delightful choice of Paul Ryan.
I mean, poor old JDW has resorted tooooo…BUSH …..(Ryan just like him, whatever, and the world ends soon).
Then Danny boy X has to turn to REAGAN…(Ryan not like him, whatever, and the world ends soon)
Such somber Dem faces at these races! Go Romney! Go Ryan! and of course Go Braves!! (All of them winners!)
Truth Squad
August 11th, 2012
3:30 pm
It will be hard for Obama to continue the personal destruction attack on Romney, when Ryan is out there everyday explaining how he is going to get America working and the economy moving again.
Haha! I don’t think so. I’m sure the press will give him a honeymoon period, but he is going to have to explain his votes in Congress just as both then Senators Obama and Biden had to do. So what he is actually going to explain is why he voted for two wars and a drug prescription plan that are still driving up our debt. Of course he’ll brag about voting no on the stimulus plan, but he also voted for the bailouts!
Ryan may like to think he has “ideas”, but it is just the same stuff. Perhaps Senator Ran Paul will explain why he voted not to pass the Ryan Plan due to the trillions it will add to the debt. We can then follow that with ads featuring Newt and “right-wing social engineering”.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
3:31 pm
Lets see both of their taxes for ten years like our President.
Just to be fair and balanced.
DannyX
August 11th, 2012
3:39 pm
“when Ryan is out there everyday explaining how he is going to get America working and the economy moving again.”
I can’t wait until Ryan tells us what is in all of those secret plans.
From Kyle’s blog a few days ago…”According to statements by Governor Romney and his advisors, the remainder of the plan will include policies to offset this revenue loss, although there are no details on how that would be achieved. (emphasis added)”
Maybe now we will find out what the super secret tax plan and the super secret plan to add 12 million jobs plan are all about.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
3:44 pm
getalife
You make me laugh. So predictable. Let’s see THEIR tax forms! Oh yeah!
And while we are dibbling around, let’s see Obama ’s university transcripts. Ho hum.zzzz..
But speaking of propaganda efforts, you want to make a bet? I bet at this moment Luckovich is drawing up Ryan pushing an old lady in a wheel chair right over a cliff. Check AJC Monday. Dems don’t waste any time when it comes to misleading.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
3:50 pm
Dusty,
Great idea for a toon.
I hope he reads it.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
3:52 pm
DannyX, stop crying! 3:39
I will send you the Super Secret Code ring so you can call up the Super Secret Tax Plan and the Super Secret Job PLan you so desire..
The ring will be in the Super Secret Corn Flakes Box. Enjoy!
getalife
August 11th, 2012
3:53 pm
robme’s plan is to raise taxes on you so he does not have to pay.
I hope y’all have the 8000 increase if they win.
The IRS will own you if you vote gop.
Are you going to vote for that?
Mr. Howell
August 11th, 2012
3:57 pm
To day we have seen and heard about Ryan being Romney choice for the VP. Now on the other hand it was said they came out swinging. No matter what is said by Ryan and Romney being best for America..when we know romney selected him to take the heat off of his past with Bain and not producing his income tax. It is hope that this can be about all of the things they want to make an issues of; such as jobs, economy, healthcare and spending. Romney and Ryan needs to be careful because Romney had an opportunity to clear up his CEO at Bain, sending jobs overseas, not producing his income taxes, and lied saying he step down at Bain when he was still in charge. Yes, we all can open our mouths and talk about what President Obama have done or did not do…..the fact remains is he is trying to do something verse not doing anything. When converse about Democratis and Republicians….that means nothing to me because both side are playing a game and they are merely human beings who can’t get their act together for the people of America. Let there be no misunderstanding, we can say what we want about either party, or continue to make jokes and critized President Obama and his administration about takiing on what was left behind; there is perhaps another side to this whole thing and when we seek to destroy or comdem one it turn the table around on us because we really don’t know what good it has done no for us personally; but what things could have been. Romney, and Ryan might think they can do better in their minds but not one have actually been down in the ditch looking at things from the bottom because they have merely looked at the icing that has not been even broken, yet! As we have found out that our own Governor here in Georgia a Repubilcan who have lied on his financial statement while he was running for the governor of Georiga also has indeed tarnish himself and Georgia Republician Party. How can one not know about the finance they are involved in and then not tell the truth! Governor Deal should resign; and so now we look at Romney, he knows he are lying and have not faced up to his responsibilities to those who might vote for him for the highest office here in the US. The question is; do you want someone who is dishonest or honest….he is going to lead you all right up to the election and then spring a trap on his taxes. I say this to all; something “wicked” thisway comes and I think it is best to not let that wickness make you vote for anyone who can’t tell teh truth. Ryan……..perhaps is just doing it to make a point or get recognized because he too is in for a rude awaken!
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
4:00 pm
getalife, 3:50
Lay your money on the line. You gotta match my two cents.
Rodert Rudis
August 11th, 2012
4:05 pm
Well, what about the Republican National Convention in Tampa? Shouldn’t Rmoney have waited until at least he knew for certain that he has the nomination? This is a desperate move by Rmoney, who is falling so fast in the polls he needed to do something, anything to get the focus off himself. But shifting to focus to Paul “Brown-Noser” Ryan (as he was voted in his high school), may not bring about the desired results, since Ryan carries very heavy kill-medicare baggage.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
4:05 pm
That does not sound like @@ at 3:58. Just wondering….
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
4:08 pm
My theory on VP candidates is that they can’t really help but they can hurt. This one looks pretty neutral to me. He may fire up some folks but they were going to vote for Mitt, anyway. I’m sure they’re thinking is that he may tip the scales in a close swing state, we’ll see.
Dusty
It’s her same ol’ name-jacker, probably
Kyle Wingfield
August 11th, 2012
4:10 pm
Yep, Hillbilly and Dusty, that was an imposter. Gone for good.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
4:14 pm
RUDIS, you are the cutest…of the paid Dem posters here. Unfortunately, you prevaricate!
There is no medicare baggage for Ryan except the one you put together..
Spin a better web. That one is useless.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
4:17 pm
Look you libs, Ryan doesn’t have a family. He is a single man, and has never married! So immediately cease looking in the windows of his home! Come out from inside of his toilets! You, there in the garbage can, cease and desist!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
4:18 pm
Now, if Ryan DID have a wife, and she was a plumper who lectured everybody else on what they ate, then sure, have at it.
But he doesn’t have a wife!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
4:22 pm
All across the land, armies of lib perverts, psychopaths, molesters, stalkers and other assorted trash emerge from their filthy holes and shamble forth towards the Ryan residency.
ew
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
4:22 pm
Thanks, Kyle. Off with his head, I say!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
August 11th, 2012
4:23 pm
Excellent pick by Romney.
Excellent column by Kyle.
Typical uninformed responses by the libs.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
August 11th, 2012
4:25 pm
Uh, I/YW? zRyan as a wife. And kids.
JDW
August 11th, 2012
4:28 pm
@kyle…we shall see, but I think his reception, particularly in most of the swing states will resemble the embrace of Goldwater.
obozo
August 11th, 2012
4:28 pm
Yes, reporter, you are correct in what you say, I have seen the likes of whom you speak of, many of them are indeed insane, need to take a bath and be castrated. I hired quite a few of them myself. And now we have some clearly identifiable victims. Onward, degenerates!
allah akbar!
Just Saying..
August 11th, 2012
4:29 pm
Oh oh oh, if ONLY those mean nasty Democrats would campaign as fairly and honestly as our gentlemen Republicans…
Jeffrey
August 11th, 2012
4:31 pm
Romney and Ryan have as much foreign policy experience as a mama grizzly bear.
ByteMe
August 11th, 2012
4:32 pm
Bruno said: The budget for the majority of the Bush years averaged in the $2.5 T range.
Bruno forgot that there was a lot of “off-budget” spending… like two wars. Obama rightly put them back in the budget. Or do you disagree with him doing that?
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
4:33 pm
I Report,
Are you just kidding or something? Paul Ryan has a wife, two sons and a daughter.
What’s going on here?
Just Saying..
August 11th, 2012
4:33 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right
August 11th, 2012
4:25 pm:Uh, I/YW? zRyan as a wife. And kids
Oh come Tib, let him invent his own facts. He’s more comfortable there…
Army Veteran
August 11th, 2012
4:36 pm
Great pick! Just the beginning to win the country bak from the radical America hating Democrats!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
4:37 pm
Dusty, et al – I know, believe me. And I pray for them. I was just trying to discourage any sicko lib stalkers that may be monitoring this blog, like bookman for instance.
Do you guys have to point it out to them?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
4:38 pm
Hey bookman, I know you’re here, how many nasty articles about Ryan’s family did they assign you with?
freak
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
4:43 pm
Anybody wanna place a bet? Within the week, bookman has some filth about Ryan’s wife cheating on him with their young sons or something de-spi-c-able like that?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
4:45 pm
Who knows who the father of the Ryan kids are, right, bookman?
DannyX
August 11th, 2012
4:45 pm
Erick Erickson on Mitt Romney already trying to distance himself from Paul Ryan proposals, From RedState.com:
“Today, the Romney camp sent out a talking points sheet claiming that while picking Paul Ryan, Romney had his own budget plans. This is delusional and not credible spin. You pick Paul Ryan, you defend his budget. It is that simple. That one bullet point sums up a summer of dysfunction. The Romney team seems to be believing its own spin, which can often lead to disaster.”
Even Mitt understands that most Americans think Paul Ryan is out of touch with reality. Why in the world did Mitt pick Ryan? He’s already backing away from him.
Erickson thinks Romney is delusional. Wow.
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
4:45 pm
It’s incredible, really, that the man who has presided over three straight trillion-dollar budget deficits, and whose proposed budgets make no attempt to rein them in, has been allowed to skate by as easily as he has on this topic.
Would Jesus be proud of you uttering that lie?
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
4:48 pm
Byte Me
Obama had a budget? What is that thing floating around Congress with his name on it? Is there still an old budget that added trillions to the deficit?
I can’t keep all these budgets straight. Washington does not make them like I do. I budget what I can pay for. Not what I wish for. Washington has a shoot-for-the-stars “plan” at this time. But that is going to change. Very soon!!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
4:50 pm
Ryan’s budget will require cuts to spending and the Libs on here say the American people will not stand for it. I am an optimist that believes that if he explained the dangers of continuing with the Obama’s spend and spend more plan, the people can be persuaded. I know many of the voters just want to get more and more, but a rational person, at some point, has to realize that government can only confiscate so much of the money floating around, before the economy collapses.
The question is other than raising 80B from not extending tax cuts for those making over $250K, what is the Obama plan for debt and deficit? Does he just want to continue to spend until we reach the point of no return, and hope that point occurs after Jan 2017?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
4:55 pm
I Report
He can always use the Hairy the Reed line, of someone told me that Paul Ryan……..blah, blah, blah.
DannyX
August 11th, 2012
4:58 pm
“Would Jesus be proud of you uttering that lie?”
Catholic Bishops think that the budget proposal of Catholic Paul Ryan is immoral.
Jeffrey
August 11th, 2012
5:03 pm
How come $80b is a lot if it is spent to explore alternative energy or save the economy, but a mere pittance if it came in through higher taxes.
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
5:06 pm
Jeffrey
August 11th, 2012
5:03 pm
How come $80b is a lot if it is spent to explore alternative energy or save the economy, but a mere pittance if it came in through higher taxes.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Really? You are asking for logic, thought, and parity from Republicans? Have you gone bonkers? They don’t have a Rush Limbaugh bumper sticker phrase to answer your question silly.
Just like somehow 2 wars and an unfunded drug mandate by President Bush are President Obama’s “trillion-dollar budget deficits” as Kyles lies it……..
Del
August 11th, 2012
5:22 pm
I never saw Romney so energized. Maybe it was Paul Ryan’s energy rubbing off on him. Great V.P. selection and the country will have a distinct choice this November. Vote Romney/Ryan to get the country back on its traditional track that made us great.
@@
August 11th, 2012
5:29 pm
Yep, Hillbilly and Dusty, that was an imposter. Gone for good.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz even though I never saw it.
Ryan holds up pretty well under Politifact’s microscope.
Don Abernethy
August 11th, 2012
5:29 pm
Democrats will paint Romney and Ryan as rich enemies of the poor. I have voted Republican for 50 years and will do so again but we have picked the wrong candidates (AGAIN!!). There are more poor voters than rich voters. Poor voters don’t seem to be worried about the economy just their government checks and they do not want Romney and Ryan to stop the checks.
Del
August 11th, 2012
5:49 pm
Don, it’s all about turn out. The campaign that energizes its base to turn out and vote wins. Evidently, Obama has lost the enthusiasm within his base, while the Republicans have significantly increased theirs. It will be a close election and at this point very much a toss up.
Whirled Peas
August 11th, 2012
5:50 pm
The liberal press (including the AJC) does not like to talk about it, but the budget deficit and the national debt stand head and shoulders above anything other problem we have. The press likes to talk about gay marriage, contraception, abortion, just about anything other than our country’s unstoppable spending. Ryan is a good choice because he will help focus the attention of Obama’s spending.
An Observer
August 11th, 2012
5:54 pm
Ryan is a great pick! I am looking forward to voting for him and Romney. let’s get rid of Obama and his terrible government.
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August 11th, 2012
5:55 pm
For those of you claiming Ryan fully supported the auto bailout, listen to this.
It’s the Conservative/Libertarian wing of the GOP that doesn’t fully support Ryan’s budget proposals because it doesn’t eliminate government bureaucracies. I think it’s 3…maybe 4 government agencies that Rand Paul’s budget proposal wants to cut.
There’s time within an 8 yr Romney/Ryan administration to do just THAT.
Somebody needs to tell President Obama that
consolidating and eliminating are two different things.
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
5:58 pm
From the Tampa Bay Times: “Already collected Social Security. After Ryan’s father passed away, he saved Social Security survivor’s benefits to pay for attending Miami University, where Ryan double majored in economics and political science in 1992.”
Well, that’s awkward…
Old timer
August 11th, 2012
6:02 pm
I like. His fire…passion and new ideas
@@
August 11th, 2012
6:14 pm
Well, that’s awkward.
No it’s not. His father died when he was 16. He received survivor benefits until he was 18. He supplemented those benefits by also working while he was in college.
Moderate Voter
August 11th, 2012
6:26 pm
Bad decision. Romney’s alienated moderates by pandering to tin-foil-hat-wearing Tea Partiers who were already going to vote for him, since he’s not Obama.
@@
August 11th, 2012
6:27 pm
Funny comment over at Politico.
rockribbed said:
Barack,
You are not responsible for the success of my business
and I am not responsible for the failure of your presidency.
I YIKE IT!!!!
Not everyone can say that.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
6:29 pm
Obama has added $5 trillion to the national debt, and has nothing to show for it. Do you know how difficult that is to do? – Steyn
That why he blubbers about Ryan.
JamVet
August 11th, 2012
6:31 pm
Well, about the best you can say about Ryan is that he is no Palin.
Even though he is gonna end up in the same boat.
Another footnote in the Uppity Kenyan Muslim Socialist’s American hating biography.
LOL.
Do as I say, not as I do.
August 11th, 2012
6:32 pm
“His father died when he was 16. He received survivor benefits until he was 18.”
Sounds like to socialism to me. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
Not very Randian.
Cutty
August 11th, 2012
6:37 pm
How did the fiscal conservative Ryan vote on George Bush’s big spending budgets that added to the deficit?
RC--apoi
August 11th, 2012
6:40 pm
Well, this ought to sew up FL for Romney. I mean, when you tell those folks approaching retirement they’ll get the same Medicare benefits as ever if they just give a ins. co. their voucher plus a personal check for about $10,000, they’ll be breaking down the doors to vote for Romney and Ryan.
Things is looking up.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
6:41 pm
There is nothing conservative about “Conservatives”. Ask them how much we spend on “defense” and they don’t know because they don’t care. Ask them about the biggest government agency in the world that they created (Homeland Security) and they don’t care. Ask them how much money we give to Israel every year and they don’t know because they don’t care. The only thing they care about is deflecting blame from the past eight years of disaster cause by their vote for bush. If someone tears your house down for 8 years, do you really expect someone else to come fix in less than four years while fighting off vandalism from the previous occupiers? BTW, CNN turned into Fox after Hillary lost to PRESIDENT Barack Obama. Ask Republican scum who owns the “Federal Reserve”, they don’t know, ask republicans who created the “Federal Reserve”, they don’t know and why, they don’t know. Ask rescums, how does the “Federal Reserves” make their money and how much do they make, the rescums can’t tell you because they don’t care. The rescums are only dedicated to them making money not to the country of The Great United States Of America. Rescums have even stop pretending to care about anyone else except other rescums. America needs cleansing from this scum of the earth.
@@
August 11th, 2012
6:41 pm
AmVet:
When RW posted his McKayla link, I laughed thinking about you.
http://mckaylaisnotimpressed.tumblr.com/
Cutty
August 11th, 2012
6:41 pm
Ryan’s wife is a liberal who was indoctrinated at Wellesley College. I’m sure you cons hate that.
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
6:44 pm
I’ve always thought Ayn Rand and Karl Marx were both in the same boat, neither one of them understood human nature.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 11th, 2012
6:45 pm
Jay—
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You sir……are mistaking conservatives for republicans.
Republicans or Democrats are all proegressives in which all of them are statists.
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Dangerous folks. Thank God their numbers are diminishing(old age fossils).
Ron Paul and the Liberty movement is growing, regardless of what the State-Sponsored Vichy press mouth pieces spout.
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Don’t be frightened.
GRANNY5
August 11th, 2012
6:48 pm
Kye will you answer something for me.Does any of your grandparents have Social Security and Medicare and if they do are you throwing them to the dogs/
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
6:50 pm
HBD: Was Karl Marx a drug addict like that amped up Meth ho Ayn Rand?
How come the God and Goddess of the right, Rush Limbaugh and Ayn Rand, are whacked out drug addicts, yet the right is so godly and such? I never figured that out. And here, sweet little Dusty calls me a drunk for having a beer like that’s some sort of sin or something.
Go figure……..
JamVet
August 11th, 2012
6:50 pm
Hey, did i just feel something on the back of my leg?
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
6:52 pm
Dear Jay: Do you have to lower yourself to Republican standards by using terms like “rescums?”
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 11th, 2012
6:53 pm
Paul Ryan went to college on SS benefits.
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Obama to Ryan——–”you didn’t build that carreer”.
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And for ONCE…….the murderer in Chief ..will not be lying.
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The Repubs are toast.
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
6:53 pm
LOL two boobs at 6:41. I saved that link.
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
6:55 pm
Fred
I don’t really know anything about Marx as a person. Haven’t a clue if he was a drug addict or not.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
6:55 pm
“Conservatives” are a myth, so called “Conservatives” are really ‘Regressive”, they want to regress back to a time when they could rape, kill, steal and rob with immunity. That’s all they really want and we need to keep them out of power FOREVER.
GRANNY5
August 11th, 2012
6:56 pm
I do not believe that you will answer that question.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
7:04 pm
Granny5
Ryan is proposing no changes for people over 55, so quit shaking in your boots.
Jefferson
80B is a lot when multiplied times a large number of government boondoogles costing 80B. It is a lot of money to raise, but it doesn’t quite eliminate a 2.5T dollar deficit. Where does the other 1.7T dollars come from? Answer that question, and people might support what now appears a foolish way to try and solve our deficit problem. Obama doesn’t have a plan other than take the 80B from the job creators.
I think down south, we would call that a “half asted plan”, even tho it is not even half asted.
Orange12
August 11th, 2012
7:13 pm
“America needs cleansing from this scum of the earth.”
Jay. How do you propose to rid the world of these vile people. Are you going to smoke them out of their holes or give them a stern look and say “this earth isn’t big enough your kind and myself.”
@@
August 11th, 2012
7:15 pm
Fred:
As far as numbers go, I’m not sure which one of Kyle’s rules you just broke, but know this…
I don’t like you!!!
Having said ^^^ that, I wouldn’t want you punished for calling me “two boobs” instead of @@.
Tap Out
August 11th, 2012
7:17 pm
Tell us again why you really liked Gingrich…lol.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
7:20 pm
If you voted for bush..twice, pay the universe what you owe us by taking a .44 magnum and stuffin it in your cornhole and pullin the trigger..
the red herring
August 11th, 2012
7:20 pm
I simply hope ryan will give romney enough backbone to really stand up and turn this economy around—the first years will be difficult as we try to wean ourselves off the borrowing 40 cents of all our spending. still it must be done. the way to do it is decrease the size of federal government and decrease the spending. Particularly the spending on multiple welfare programs— one program or reduced amounts for two programs is enough—we shouldn’t have people on food stamps, earned income tax credits, rent credits, free health care— there has to be limits to some of these freebies—- not to mention limits to paying healthy people not to work. simply stated that is not the principles america was founded on and should not be how we proceed as a nation. ryan, rubio, or christie all would have been good picks. any of the 3 are head and shoulders better than joe biden…. he’s a joke.
cc
August 11th, 2012
7:22 pm
Jeffrey:
“Romney and Ryan have as much foreign policy experience as a mama grizzly bear.”
Do you think they might do something particularly stupid such as sending the bust of Winston Churchill back to England? Maybe they would give the Queen dvd’s of their speches or Wal-Mart movies? Or could they back the rebels in middle eastern countries in order to see the muslim brotherhood establish power? Maybe they will just bow to the middle east rulers? I guess they might give billions to Brazil for oil exploration while refusing to allow exploration on public lands in the U.S.?
Yep, they won’t have any more experience than the Beloved Ruler had before he was coronated . . . but I’ll bet they don’t do the stupid things that Obama/Hillary have done.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
7:23 pm
red herring
You forgot the Obama phones. No self respecting poor person should leave home without it.
bluecoat
August 11th, 2012
7:27 pm
How mant vetoed bills under W ?
mike
August 11th, 2012
7:28 pm
That’s not the Jay I know.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
7:28 pm
We are all OWNED lock, stock and barrel by The Rothschild’s, so just get over yourself, you self absorbed slaves…Until we get rid of the “Federal” Reserve and their faux currency we are just crabs in a barrel.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 11th, 2012
7:31 pm
Jay
August 11th, 2012
7:28 pm
We are all OWNED lock, stock and barrel by The Rothschild’s, so just get over yourself, you self absorbed slaves…Until we get rid of the “Federal” Reserve and their faux currency we are just crabs in a barrel.
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Ha Ha.
Looks like Bookman got roughed up by some costumed federale on his recent fishing trip.
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He’s finally seeing the light.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
7:32 pm
The “federal” reserves just announced that there is 9 TRILLION dollars missing and you idiots are babbling about a few billion dollars. By the way, you can’t get into their underground cities that was built with your money..idiot rescums..
MarkV
August 11th, 2012
7:33 pm
“Do you think they might do something particularly stupid such as sending the bust of Winston Churchill back to England?”
Perhaps such as belittling the Olympic preparation while in London?
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
7:35 pm
The moon is in the last quarter but if I didn’t know better………..
MarkV
August 11th, 2012
7:38 pm
“Do you think they might do something particularly stupid such as sending the bust of Winston Churchill back to England?”
Not to mention the little fact that the above charge is a lie.
Del
August 11th, 2012
7:40 pm
Jay unhinged
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 11th, 2012
7:40 pm
Ryan wants to dismantle the New Deal. Not going to happen.
md
August 11th, 2012
7:50 pm
“You pick Paul Ryan, you defend his budget. It is that simple”
What kind of logic is that? Romney has the say so, not Ryan. If he’s smart, he’ll take the good points and combine them with other good points to make a better plan……..that’s the theory behind surrounding oneself with smart people…….it’s a collection of ideas.
mike
August 11th, 2012
7:50 pm
$9 Trillion isn’t really that much. Just a couple of years federal budget. Not much to worry about.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
7:53 pm
The “Fedreal” reserves just announced that a “GooglePlex” of cash is gone missing…Now is that enough for you to get concerned?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
7:55 pm
Why I like the Romney pick: He’s an American.
Obozo is merely a citizen.
md
August 11th, 2012
7:56 pm
And it seems many on the prior pages like the Greek version of austerity. Just keep spending until it is the only option………..Obama’s done next to nothing in terms of cutting back on spending, and as spending increases it makes it that much harder for the economy to gain traction as it also has to pay for all that spending………..
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
7:58 pm
Democrats didn’t defend Obozo’s budget–they defeated it.
Republicans already passed the American, er, Ryan budget.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
7:59 pm
Wrong answer you ignorant idiot, the record show that PRESIDENT Obama has spent LESS money than any President since FDR..
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
8:01 pm
If my calculations are right, if you spent $10 million a day, it would take you over 2400 years to spend $9 trillion.
mike
August 11th, 2012
8:02 pm
Jay, don’t bother me now. “The Wedding Planner” is coming on. I’ll worry about that stuff “tomorrow.”
Del
August 11th, 2012
8:05 pm
Caution Kool-Aid drinker on board.
Jay
August 11th, 2012
8:07 pm
Well Hillbilly,that means they are spending well over 10 million a day.
DannyX
August 11th, 2012
8:09 pm
“Why I like the Romney pick: He’s an American.”
Paul Ryan was born in Manitoba Canada is not eligible to be president!
Where is your birth certificate Paul Ryan???? Release it.
You too Mr Romney, release those tax returns!!!!
NOW!!!
Jay
August 11th, 2012
8:10 pm
$9,000,000,000,000 MISSING From The Federal Reserve .. Shocking Footage
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread866914/pg1
DannyX
August 11th, 2012
8:11 pm
“Republicans already passed the American, er, Ryan budget.”
Quiet Barry, Mitt doesn’t want people talking about the unpopular Ryan budget scam.
JF McNamara
August 11th, 2012
8:12 pm
They are going to run completely on taking benefits away from the masses and giving tax cuts to the rich. That is literally what the Ryan pick says. I guess that’s a good message?
Also, stop whining about Obama’s tactics. Republicans ran blatant lies about health care (death panels) and fed into birtherism and other messages meant to play into the racist element. Right now, Romney is talking about healthcare increases under Obama when they basically stopped him from doing anything about it and know Obama had nothing to do with it.
I don’t ever recall you complaining about Republican tactics. In fact, you’ve fed the fire and many on this blog called him soft. You started the fight, don’t complain when you get hit.
md
August 11th, 2012
8:15 pm
“Wrong answer you ignorant idiot, the record show that PRESIDENT Obama has spent LESS money than any President since FDR..”
Not sure I should even respond to someone that uses name calling as a debate tactic, but I’ll do it once to see how things go.
This is the same poster that declares we’ve all been duped by the fed reserve yet seems to have himself been duped by the article claiming Obama was a spend thrift.
Go back and look at the actual spending bills, and you will see that 2009 was primarily Obama spending……and that doesn’t include the tarp money Bush approved on the request of Obama.
md
August 11th, 2012
8:24 pm
Just a fraction of the fallacy about 2009 not being charged to Obama:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aXTl_q8nIqk8
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
8:26 pm
DannyX: Quiet Barry, Mitt doesn’t want people talking about the unpopular Ryan budget scam.
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It’s not exactly a surprise that the parasites get agitated when their freebies are threatened.
Old Timer
August 11th, 2012
8:30 pm
Jeffery
Romney & Ryan have as much as Obama & Biden but they lack Chicago type politics. Haven’t heard Romney or Ryan tell a fib yet.
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
8:42 pm
@@
August 11th, 2012
6:14 pm: Well, that’s awkward.
No it’s not.
Then tell us what Paul Ryan personally did to EARN (word of the month) that SS benefit?
Then tell us you expectation of that particular survivor’s benefit, under a Ryan budget?
JamVet
August 11th, 2012
8:44 pm
There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Ryan.
He is a gutless t*rd and chickenhawk for starters.
That massive and misguided nearly 100 page “budget’ that he submitted?
Take a wild guess exactly how many time it mentions the word VETERAN?
Zero. Not one time.
And more to the point it would cut $11 billion from veterans spending, or 13 percent from what President Obama proposed.
These never-served neocons are all the same. They hate out troops, until they want to send them somewhere to get them killed needlessly so that these disgusting fake conservative, Bushbot, toy soldiers can feel like real men.
F the whole bunch of them…
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
8:45 pm
If you think that the RYAN BUDGET will NOT affect YOU or YOUR MAMA,
your FAMILY you better THNK AGAIN.
The Ryan Budget will AFFECT ALL RACES.
EVEN YOURS.
HIS BUDGET IS COLOR BLIND.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
8:49 pm
@Old Timer
August 11th, 2012
8:30 pm
Jeffery
Romney & Ryan have as much as Obama & Biden but they lack Chicago type politics. Haven’t heard Romney or Ryan tell a fib yet.
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Ol Timer don’t insult our intelligence.
Romney has lied during his campaign.
IF THEY ARE ELECTED I HOPE YOU ARE READY FOR YOUR
HEALTHCARE VOUCHER OL TIMER.
I HOPE YOU STAY HEALTHY AND NOT GET SICK.
If you think that the RYAN BUDGET will NOT affect YOU or
your FAMILY you better THNK AGAIN.
The Ryan Budget will AFFECT ALL RACES.
EVEN YOURS.
HIS BUDGET IS COLOR BLIND.
md
August 11th, 2012
8:51 pm
You folks are funny…..of course Ryans budget will effect everybody…..but so will any budget. If we don’t do something and the agencies downgrade us again, then just wait to see hoe everybody is effected.
Greece thought they could just keep doing what they were doing too…………
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
8:52 pm
Ryan schooled Obozo at his own healthcare summit.
Don’t hate Ryan just because he’s smarter than Obozo.
ragnar danneskjold
August 11th, 2012
8:52 pm
Ryan is my favorite; I also like Rubio quite a lot, and in eight years the Ryan-Rubio ticket will be worth consideration.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
8:53 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 11th, 2012
8:26 pm
It’s not exactly a surprise that the parasites get agitated when their freebies are threatened.
_____________________________________________________
If you think that the RYAN BUDGET will NOT affect YOU or
your FAMILY you better THNK AGAIN.
The Ryan Budget will AFFECT ALL RACES.
EVEN YOURS.
HIS BUDGET IS COLOR BLIND.
There is NO CLAUSE in his budget that reads FOR OTHERS ONLY.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
8:56 pm
Just saying
Paul Ryan’s dad paid into SocSec for years and did not collect one dime, because he died too young. You begrudge the man’s children getting a few years of support. People should have a choice, whether they want to contribute to the ponzi scheme. Ryan’s father had no choice and his children should have received benefits. Had he been allowed to keep that money, he might have bought life insurance with it, that would have benefited the children for more than 2 years.
Ryan would like to keep Soc Sec for those who are now getting close to retirement and give younger workers the choice. Dems seem to like choice for women to terminate their pregnancy, but oppose all other choices. Why is that? Why is my freedom to choose not as important as a woman’s?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
8:56 pm
Caveat, somehow my family got along quite well even when the federal government was “only” spending $1.5 trillion a year, or $2 trillion a year, or $3 trillion a year. President Romney and Vice President Ryan could cut the budget by two thirds and my family wouldn’t notice.
We work for a living. Just like all Real Americans, and quite a few Democrats.
md
August 11th, 2012
8:57 pm
Caveat…..with 16 trillion in debt and a 1.5 trillion deficit every year, do you think there is actually a way that everybody won’t be affected??
Please……it’s time to take our medicine……..
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
8:57 pm
Old Timer
August 11th, 2012
8:30 pm
Jeffery
Romney & Ryan have as much as Obama & Biden but they lack Chicago type politics. Haven’t heard Romney or Ryan tell a fib yet.
Then listen when they speak.
mike
August 11th, 2012
8:58 pm
Yes, but Medicare recipients have paid into the system for years. Now you want to change the rules on them.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
9:01 pm
mike: Now you want to change the rules on them.
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Or we could simply ignore reality…the preferred libtard response to a Medicare system going bankrupt.
md
August 11th, 2012
9:02 pm
“Yes, but Medicare recipients have paid into the system for years. Now you want to change the rules on them.”
Cuts have to be made……no if’s and’s or but’s……Simpson and Bowles worked long and hard to try to make it fair and were thrown under the bus by just about everybody.
Folks need to understand that we all need a little pain now to avoid massive misery later……your choice.
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
9:02 pm
Rafe- You take a lot a words to say it, but I see you do understand the point: Paul Ryan personally did nothing to Earn the SS survivor’s benefit he received.
And your answer to the question about the survivor’s benefit under the Ryan budget?
mike
August 11th, 2012
9:03 pm
Barry, what makes you think Medicare is going bankrupt?
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
9:03 pm
One of the big problems with Medicare is the ever increasing cost of medical care. Nobody has yet to address how to control the cost, that I can see. In my opinion, those rising costs are the real economic danger, long term.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
9:08 pm
And your answer to the question about blah blah
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Should the answer acknowledge reality and be fact-based? Or should we just go with libtard dogma?
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
9:08 pm
JamVet-
I see we come from the same side of the water on all these Limbaugh/Gingrich/Cheney/Romney neocon chicken hawks. Personally, I enjoy listening to James McMurtry’s song about Stateside George: Cheney’s Toy.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
9:09 pm
what makes you think Medicare is going bankrupt?
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The trustees report. What makes you think it isn’t? The word of your Idiot Messiah?
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
9:10 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
No one expected you to know the answer…
Rodert Rudis
August 11th, 2012
9:12 pm
This following comment is for Dusty, who for some strange reason believes that I am cute and that I am being paid by the “Dems” for my earlier post regarding Paul Ryan and his position on Medicare. (BTW, I’d love to get paid for posting, unfortunately, not in my wildest dreams!)
From Wikipedia:
“In 2008, Ryan voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the Wall Street bailout that precipitated the Tea Party movement, and the bailout of GM and Chrysler.[44]”
“On May 21, 2008, Ryan introduced H.R. 6110, Roadmap for America’s Future Act of 2008,[49] commonly referred to as The Ryan Budget…..This proposed legislation outlined changes to entitlement spending, notably major alterations in Medicare.[50] The Roadmap found only eight sponsors and did not move past committee.[51][52]”
“On April 1, 2009, Ryan introduced his alternative to the 2010 United States federal budget….It would [also] have phased out Medicare’s traditional fee-for-service model, instead offering fixed sums in the form of a vouchers for Medicare beneficiaries to buy private insurance with, starting in 2021.[54] The plan attracted criticism since the voucher payments would not be set to increase as medical costs increase, leaving beneficiaries partially uninsured.[54]… Ryan’s proposed budget was heavily criticized by opponents for the lack of concrete numbers.[56] It was ultimately rejected in the House by a vote of 293-137, with 38 Republicans in opposition.[57]”
“In late January 2010, Ryan released a new version of his “roadmap”.[58] The modified plan would: give across-the-board tax cuts by reducing income tax rates; eliminate income taxes on capital gains, dividends, and interest; and abolish the corporate income tax, estate tax, and alternative minimum tax. The plan would privatize a portion of Social Security,[59][60] eliminate the tax exclusion for employer-sponsored health insurance,[60] and privatize Medicare.[59][60]”
“On April 15, 2011, the House passed the Ryan Plan for 2012 by a vote of 235-193. Four Republicans joined all House Democrats in voting against it.[61] A month later, the bill died in the Senate by a vote of 57-40, with five Republicans and most Democrats in opposition.[62]”
Dusty, these Wiki notes are for Ryan’s first budget plan, the Road Map. As legislation, it was rejected, and not only because of Democratic nay votes, but because of Republican nay votes as well. But that’s not all. This was Ryan’s first budget plan; his second plan has received even more criticism, and again not merely from the Democrats. But don’t belive me, read the entry for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan#Ryan.27s_second_budget_plan
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:17 pm
Stealing @@’s name was a good bust.
Lets see these numbers showing Medicare going bust.
Be sure to add the fines for the crack down on fraud and subtract the 9 million job revenue that was lost from the collapse.
Prove it.
Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:17 pm
Ryan has a plan which is a place to start…where is Obama’s??? Crickets chirping
JamVet
August 11th, 2012
9:18 pm
Just saying..
Nearly 50,000 wounded American GI’s – many of them maimed horrifically – because these cowards voted for the Boy Emperor twice.
While they stuffed their fat faces with Twinkies and put stupid yellow stickers on their Arab-friendly gas guzzling pigs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKUE0RTuw24
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:18 pm
While you are at it, prove he paid taxes like he said.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
9:19 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 11th, 2012
8:56 pm
Caveat, somehow my family got along quite well even when the federal government was “only” spending $1.5 trillion a year, or $2 trillion a year, or $3 trillion a year. President Romney and Vice President Ryan could cut the budget by two thirds and my family wouldn’t notice.
We work for a living. Just like all Real Americans, and quite a few Democrats.
________________________________________________
All I hear are your gums flapping.
How do we know that your family work for a living?
PROVE IT.
For all we know your family could be on WELFARE.
Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:21 pm
There is more likelihood Romney will release tax records than Obama will his college transcripts…just sayin’
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:21 pm
Liberal,
willie distanced himself from the Ryan plan and has his own plan.
You can find the President’s plan on his web site.
Goggle it lazy.
Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
Believe me, if Romney hadn’t paid taxes, the boys from Chicago would have told Der Fuhrer.
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
Rodert Rudis
August 11th, 2012-9:12 pm:This following comment is for Dusty…
Personal belief is that’s too many facts for Dusty to handle…
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
Lib,
Oh, you are birther,
Never mind.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
9:23 pm
@Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:17 pm
Ryan has a plan which is a place to start…where is Obama’s??? Crickets chirping
___________________________________________
I REPEAT
The Ryan Budget will AFFECT ALL RACES.
EVEN YOURS.
HIS BUDGET IS COLOR BLIND.
There is NO CLAUSE in his budget that reads “CUTS ARE
FOR OTHERS ONLY”.
mike
August 11th, 2012
9:23 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 11th, 2012
9:09 pm
what makes you think Medicare is going bankrupt?
————
The trustees report. What makes you think it isn’t? The word of your Idiot Messiah?
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I’d really like to see that. Can you post it?
Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:23 pm
I have read it. It’s so good that even his own party won’t approve it or claim it. By the way, it’s working swell isn’t it?
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
“the boys from Chicago would have told Der Fuhrer”
They told his pit bull Reid..
Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Yeah, I don’t believe you were born stupid, you just evolved into a Liberal.
JamVet
August 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
There is more likelihood Romney will release tax records…
Nope.
He is one twelfth the man his dad was.
Besides the Trump-led dolts and quasi-fascists already got beeotch slapped royally regarding some other “papers”.
Do they never learn?
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
9:25 pm
“…and put stupid yellow stickers…”
I agree, the yellow ribbons are a particular favorite of mine…
Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:25 pm
Gotta go, I have sunk to the level of those who are ruining the country.
Going to getalife…
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
I think trump should demand to see his papers and sheriff joe should investigate.
Old Goober
August 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
One of the big problems with Medicare is the ever increasing cost of medical care. Nobody has yet to address how to control the cost, that I can see. In my opinion, those rising costs are the real economic danger, long term.
Those costs will continue to rise so long as we have a profit-oriented medical care system. Unlike many other countries, we have physicians who, having been educated at public expense in many cases, believe they’re entitled to a quarter million dollars per year in compensation. And we have a medieval guild system run by states to ensure that only a limited number of new physicians may enter the system. Just try to get into a medical school without a recommendation from a practicing physician. There’s your main expense. The others, emanating from makers of million-dollar machines and the profit-oriented labs that operate them, are a relatively minor part of the costs.
You’re not going to get a reduction in the costs voluntarily. The foolish Medicare system of limiting reimbursement to providers merely drives more providers away from accepting Medicare. In a cartel, which the current medical community certainly is, there is no such thing as demand driving supply.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
@Liberal Pariah
August 11th, 2012
9:21 pm
There is more likelihood Romney will release tax records than Obama will his college transcripts…just sayin’
___________________________________
Stop beating that DEAD HORSE.
ITS DEAD.
Obama is PRESIDENT HE DOES NOT HAVE SHOW YOU
SQUAT.
Myth Robme wants to be PRESIDENT.
He needs to show us the TAX RETURNS.
How much did you pay in taxes?
MORE THAN MYTH ROBME I BET.
@@
August 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
Just saying:
Well, since his father didn’t live to collect on the government’s promissory note, it’s only right that his survivor should.
Would you rather it had gone to you?
He’s not looking to eliminate SS. He’s looking for a way to shore it up for those truly in need of the benefits. He does a pretty good job of explaining his reasoning here Applying Our Enduring Truths to Our Defining Challenge
Our budget ends welfare for those who don’t need it, but strengthens welfare programs for those who do. Government safety-net programs have been stretched to the breaking point in recent years, failing the very citizens who need help the most.
Instead of letting critical health and retirement programs go bankrupt, our budget saves and strengthens them so they can fulfill their missions in the 21st century.
And yes…I know the CC has issues with his budget. Theirs is an emotional reaction lacking logic and/or reason.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:29 pm
And where is oily taking it to the sc?
getalife
August 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
Sorry @@,
Ending SS and Medicare are facts that he will have to explain to the American people.
Good luck with that with no trust in government.
mike
August 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
we have physicians who, having been educated at public expense in many cases, believe they’re entitled to a quarter million dollars per year in compensation.
Where have you been? Try $500,000 – $750,000 a year.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
Well, looks like the liberals here are really upset. I mean it is almost time for the water hoses to calm these guys. LIke Caveat Emptor who is sure Ryan’s budget will affect all races.
Well, I hope so. I think Ryan’s very much all American.
Then Caveat is worried about us getting sick. Well, most folks are already sick of ObamaCare so let’s start by dumping that contentious clunker.
The thought of sensible finances in government scares poor Caveat out of his cravat. He has to write with capital letter to stop his shaky hand.
Ryan is already a great influence. Makes people think, ’specially those who stopped thinking for themselves. and give up to dependency.
Most of us have no desire to be another Greece or Spain or Ireland. Americans will never give up their independence and Ryan seems to understand that. That’s why he makes me and many others very happy.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
@Dusty
August 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
Well, looks like the liberals here are really upset. I mean it is almost time for the water hoses to calm these guys. LIke Caveat Emptor who is sure Ryan’s budget will affect all races.
Well, I hope so. I think Ryan’s very much all American.
Then Caveat is worried about us getting sick. Well, most folks are already sick of ObamaCare so let’s start by dumping that contentious clunker.
The thought of sensible finances in government scares poor Caveat out of his cravat. He has to write with capital letter to stop his shaky hand.
Ryan is already a great influence. Makes people think, ’specially those who stopped thinking for themselves. and give up to dependency.
Most of us have no desire to be another Greece or Spain or Ireland. Americans will never give up their independence and Ryan seems to understand that. That’s why he makes me and many others very happy
____________________________________
UPSET?
Robme and Ryan The Boy Wonder is THE GIFT
for the Democrats.
Have you ever been to Greece, Spain or Ireland?
I have. Had a wonderful time there too.
Give up independence?
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
When you don’t have anything reasonably intelligent to say
you say anything.
@@
August 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
Getalife:
Ending SS and Medicare are facts
No. The FACT is he wants to reform SS as we know it.
Change is not only good, it’s essential when it comes to SS.
@@
August 11th, 2012
9:46 pm
Ragnar and I are on the same wavelength.
…in eight years the Ryan-Rubio ticket will be worth consideration.
It was my immediate thought following Romney’s announcement.
Another R&R administration.
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
@@–August 11th, 2012-9:28 pm: “Well, since his father didn’t live to collect on the government’s promissory note, it’s only right that his survivor should.”
Amazing. You guys continue to:
-Acknowledge that Ryan personally did nothing to earn the government benefit he so wisely used to better himself
-Then rationalize/apologize that it was only fair, the right thing to do, etc for him to receive the benefit someone else actually earned.
If you take that outcome you see as correct, you’ve put yourself and Ryan in the position that the horrid Democrats say is the proper position for an American government, toward its citizens: Help those who need help.
Try this: Every time you’re ready to criticize a needy child who’s receiving a government benefit that they personally did nothing to earn, substitute the name of Paul Ryan for the child, see if that seems to you “the right thing to do” for an American government that is genuinely exceptional.
@@
August 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
Enter your comments here
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
@—-@@
August 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
Getalife:
Ending SS and Medicare are facts
No. The FACT is he wants to reform SS as we know it.
Change is not only good, it’s essential when it comes to SS.
_________________________________________________________
FACT: I am retired, collecting a pension and social security.
I am debt free and I live well.
God help those of you who have not started collecting your
social security.
HOPE YOU CAN if mYTH Robme and The Boy Wonder Ryan gets in office.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
Even if Ryan was going to end SS and Medicare, and he isn’t, it’s better then what obozo has planned – ending America.
mike
August 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
Even if Ryan was going to end SS and Medicare, and he isn’t, it’s better then what obozo has planned – ending America.
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Hey, I thought you were going to post that Trustees report that says Social Security and Medicare are going bankrupt.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
@ Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
Even if Ryan was going to end SS and Medicare, and he isn’t, it’s better then what obozo has planned – ending America.
______________________________________________________________
Even if Ryan was going to end SS and Medicare…….
it’s better then what obozo has planned – ending America.
Myth Robme and The Boy Wonder Ryan don’t give a
hoot about you, your mama, your children, etc.
They are LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR KIND….
Millionaires and billionaires.
WHICH ARE YOU?
@@
August 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
Just saying:
I’m all for helping the children. It’s the adults that could be working and don’t that are the problem. Think about it…they’re the ones stealing from the poor.
I know a guy who lost his leg in an accident. He’s perfectly capable of getting a job but chooses not to. Too many like him are out there?
Bottom line? Social Security was never intended to be the full retirement package for individuals. It was intended to supplement.
Looking back, it was a huge mistake.
I’m out.
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
FACT: I am retired, collecting a pension and social security.
I am debt free and I live well.
God help those of you who have not started collecting your
social security.
HOPE YOU CAN if mYTH Robme and The Boy Wonder Ryan gets in office.
Right there with you. And grateful.
And I think it’s really important that these youngsters behind us aren’t jobbed out of the promises made by our government, so as to preserve someone’s 3rd boat, 4th house, pretty pony, or car elevator…
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:06 pm
@ Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
________________________________________________
DON’T FORGET
Myth Robme don’t like store bought cookies and he made fun
of your cheesy grits.
Do you think he gives a hoot about YOU?
I don’t think so.
Myth Robme got his nose so far up in the air that he
can’t see the ground let along see you.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2016, If You Exclude Obamacare’s Double-Counting
The Trustees of the Medicare program have released their annual report on the solvency of the program. They calculate that the program is “expected to remain solvent until 2024, the same as last year’s estimate.” But what that headline obfuscates is that Obamacare’s tax increases and spending cuts are counted towards the program’s alleged “deficit-neutrality,” Medicare is to go bankrupt in 2016. And if you listen to Medicare’s own actuary, Richard Foster, the program’s bankruptcy could come even sooner than that.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/04/23/trustees-medicare-will-go-broke-in-2016-if-you-exclude-obamacares-double-counting/
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:09 pm
And the trustees report that the libtards have been whining about is here:
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/ReportsTrustFunds/index.html?redirect=/reportstrustfunds/
Bite it, know-nothing libtards.
@@
August 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
One last comment.
If Caveat and Just saying are living well off their pension, they shouldn’t need SS.
Paul Ryan doesn’t think millionaires and billionaires need it either.
Now I’m out.
Laprencilla
August 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
Agree Kyle, Ryan was a superb VP pick. It will seal the GOP win in November.
The current White House occupant could never have won on his own merits – there were none. The voters were simply ready to hand the Presidency to any Democrat in the aftermath of the malodorous Bush administration. This time around the the focus will be on the record of the incumbent, which to be kind has been less than impressive.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:14 pm
@Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
And I think it’s really important that these youngsters behind us aren’t robbed out of the promises made by our government, so as to preserve someone’s 3rd boat, 4th house, pretty pony, or car elevator…
___________________________________________________________
God give them the courage to do what is right in November.
God help them to put their prejudices aside and look at the bigger
picture……..their family, their mother and their children.
Obama for the middle class in 2012.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
10:15 pm
Hooking someone up with a welfare check and some food stamps isn’t love, morons.
Buzzy
August 11th, 2012
10:16 pm
By doing this, Romney takes Ryan out of the House where he could cause Romney trouble. Romney is a guy who likes to be in sole control. He will lock Ryan behind the fence at the Naval Observatory.
Take a good look at Ryan now folks, because you won’t see him Romney is elected. And by the way, Romney is already on record that the Ryan budget is not his budget.
I think Ryan is a radical and I think his economic views are extreme. I usually vote Democratic but I was not that wild about voting for Obama the second time. Now I will make sure to cast my vote for Obama even if there are thunderstorms hovering over the polling place.
And to the Far Right: you didn’t get what you think you got.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
10:16 pm
Don’t get upset. Caveat
Losing your independence means you are dependent. It works that way when you depend on the government for almost everything, i.e….the liberal philosophy. I’m sure you understand that.
Your wealth envy and namecalling are unattractive. Tacky! Sounds like desperation.. No wonder. Things are not going well for Democrats. Down hill!!.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:17 pm
Obozo isn’t for the middle class. He’s for the parasites who live off the hard work of, and taxes paid by, the middle class.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
10:18 pm
Hooking them up with a job is.
Lets face it. Kyle picked the newt and jindal as VP.
Way off.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
10:19 pm
Buzzy….speaking of extremes…..
Our national debt is extreme! You don’t seem to notice. Obama doesn’t either.
mike
August 11th, 2012
10:21 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:09 pm
And the trustees report that the libtards have been whining about is here:
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/ReportsTrustFunds/index.html?redirect=/reportstrustfunds/
Bite it, know-nothing libtards.
*********************************************************
I looked and I didn’t see anything about Social Security or Medicare going broke. Maybe you could show me where it says that.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
@Laprencilla
August 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
Agree Kyle, Ryan was a superb VP pick. It will seal the GOP win in November.
The current White House occupant could never have won on his own merits – there were none. The voters were simply ready to hand the Presidency to any Democrat in the aftermath of the malodorous Bush administration. This time around the the focus will be on the record of the incumbent, which to be kind has been less than impressive.
__________________________________________________________
Shoulda coulda woulda………….
McCain….Palin?
Obama….Biden?
mmmmmmmmmm
This time around the the focus will be on the record of
MYTH (I WILL NEVER show you my taxes) ROBME AND
THE BOY WONDER (WHO WOULD KILL SS AND MEDICARE) RYAN.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:23 pm
You need to look again then.
Typical libtard, expecting someone else to do the work for him.
Buzzy
August 11th, 2012
10:24 pm
As I said Romney is already on record that the Ryan budget is not his budget.
I just cannot take the risk that something would happen to Romney and a radical like Ryan would become president.
The US is already hovering at a recession. If we cut the federal deficit and federal spending right now it would plunge us into a serious recession or possibly a recession.
Anyway, if Romney is elected, I can promise you that you won’t see much of Ryan. I just can’t risk Ryan ever becoming president.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:25 pm
@I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…
August 11th, 2012
10:15 pm
Hooking someone up with a welfare check and some food stamps isn’t love, morons.
___________________________________________________________
Being an INSENSITIVE, NON-COMPASSIONATE moron isn’t love either.
Buzzy
August 11th, 2012
10:25 pm
Above should have said..”possibly a depression.”
Have a good night ladies and gentlemen.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
10:26 pm
Dusty,
I remember when you said nothing when w took a balanced budget and blew up the deficit.
What happened besides the dems won so now you care?
mike
August 11th, 2012
10:26 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:23 pm
You need to look again then.
Typical libtard, expecting someone else to do the work for him.
*********************************************************
If it’s there, you shouldn’t have any trouble picking it out for us, should you? Where is it?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
10:28 pm
So when will this great job hookup begin?
mike
August 11th, 2012
10:31 pm
I’ve got to go to bed now. Barry, maybe you can show me some other time where it says that. Good night.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
10:31 pm
Caveat – I see you shrieking but you can’t come in.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:31 pm
And Obozo’s budget is not the Democrat budget. They voted it down. And now they’re too cowardly to pass one of their own.
Democrats: America-hating, debt-exploding, do-nothing obstructionists.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
10:31 pm
I report,
I don’t think fighting over ending Medicare and SS will produce any jobs.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:34 pm
mike: I looked and I didn’t see anything about Social Security or Medicare going broke.
——————–
Couldn’t make it to page 6, eh?
mike: Another unfortunate victim of public schooling.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:35 pm
Newt Gingrich referred to Ryan’s Medicare proposal as “right-wing social
engineering.”
He also said,
“I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than
left-wing social engineering.”
“I don’t think imposing radical change from the right is a very good
way for a free society to operate.”
FROM NEWT’S MOUTH TO GOD’S EAR
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
August 11th, 2012
10:41 pm
I gotta say that these guys get my vote due to their great hairlines.
Lord knows its as good a reason as voting for Obama just cause he’s black .. .
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
10:42 pm
One good thing I’ve noticed about the discussion here. Liberals are so upset over Ryan they forgot to repeat their mantra: Bush did it!
That shows the extent of their distress over the prospect of sensible governing in Washington.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
10:43 pm
All these Obamabots who voted for HOPE and CHANGE do not want any CHANGE in Soc Sec and Meidicare programs. They do not want any change in Tax Policy, but complain constantly that some do not pay their fair share. They do not want in change in spending, afraid that they might lose an entitlement. They do not want any change in leadership, even though we have no leader now.
Obama, he used to be for Hope and Change, but now prefers the status quo!
td
August 11th, 2012
10:44 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right
August 11th, 2012
10:41 pm
My wife said today that it is about time that the country has “two good looking men running on the same ticket”.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 11th, 2012
10:45 pm
The Trashman cometh!
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:46 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 11th, 2012
10:31 pm
.
Democrats: America-hating, debt-exploding, do-nothing obstructionists.
_____________________________________________________________
The last time I checked America-haters were white supremacists who think they are
superior to people of other racial backgrounds.
And they are not DEMOCRATS.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
10:49 pm
I think the majority wants the tax code unfairness to end but unlimited bribes will make sure it never happens.
Hit the road running
August 11th, 2012
10:52 pm
That was quick. American Future Fund has come out with a great ad featuring Romney and Ryan as America’s comeback
team:
getalife
August 11th, 2012
10:54 pm
You mean go back to the 50’s team.
We will keep moving forward not back.
Hit the road running
August 11th, 2012
10:55 pm
Screwed up the link.
http://www.therightscoop.com/american-future-fund-romneyryan-ad-its-time-for-americas-comeback-team/
bluecoat
August 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
Cavaet emptor/define/let the voter beware.R&R not rest & relaxation=Riches for the rich.Rare jobs for the working class.
Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
If Caveat and Just saying are living well off their pension, they shouldn’t need SS.
Under what GOP theory of equity would you take away the benefit I paid for over a contributing work career of 45+ years, not counting the several years I worked 3 and 4 jobs simultaneously?
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
I take it all back. Getalife @10:26 said that “w” raised the debt. He couldn’t make it through the day without blaming Bush for something..
——————
getalife, I have never liked the national debt, the terrorists, and people who hate Bush more than the terrorists. That’s really sick. Get over it.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
10:58 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right
August 11th, 2012
10:41 pm
I gotta say that these guys get my vote due to their great hairlines.
Lord knows its as good a reason as voting for Obama just cause he’s black ..
___________________________________________________________________
Well voting for them because of their great hairlines is better than
believing, and promoting the belief, that white people are superior
to people of other racial backgrounds.
OF COURSE YOU DO NOT THINK LIKE THAT?
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
11:00 pm
@Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
If Caveat and Just saying are living well off their pension, they shouldn’t need SS.
_________________________________________________
THE LAST TIME I CHECKED I paid INTO SOCIAL SECURITY.
THEY ARE JUST GIVING ME MY MONEY BACK.
DUH!
You better HOPE AND PRAY YOU MAKE IT TO THIS POINT.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
11:02 pm
@bluecoat
August 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
Cavaet emptor/define/let the voter beware.R&R not rest & relaxation=Riches for the rich.Rare jobs for the working class.
______________________________________________________
THANK YOU!!!
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
11:13 pm
@Just saying..
August 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
If Caveat and Just saying are living well off their pension, they shouldn’t need SS.
_______________________________________________________________________________
CAN YOU SPELL F-I-C-A?
Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax is a United States Federal payroll (or employment) tax imposed on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare —federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, the disabled, and children of deceased workers.
Social Security benefits include old-age, survivors, and disability insurance (OASDI); Medicare provides hospital insurance benefits for the elderly.
The amount that one pays in payroll taxes throughout one’s working career is associated indirectly with the social security benefits annuity that one receives as a retiree.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
11:13 pm
Dusty,
Just pointing out you said nothing about spending until you lost.
Fact.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
Caveat.10:46
That’s really CHEAP! Trying to relate Republicans to rabid killers. You really do want to divide this country.
I doubt that most Democrats would have anything to do with your line of thinkiing. Most of them are loyal Americans, not election time jerks like you.
Supremacists of any skin color represent no political party; just their own personal hate..
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:18 pm
getalife,
Just reminding you that you have never read every post I’ve made.
I’ve never wanted this country in debt.
But I have noticed it more as Obama has more than doubled and tripled the debt.. I guess that does not bother you ’cause W did it, only he hasn’t been in office in almst four years.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
11:22 pm
@Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
Caveat.10:46
That’s really CHEAP! Trying to relate Republicans to rabid killers. You really do want to divide this country.
I doubt that most Democrats would have anything to do with your line of thinkiing. Most of them are loyal Americans, not election time jerks like you.
Supremacists of any skin color represent no political party; just their own personal hate..
_____________________________________________________________________
IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE.
QUACK …..QUACK……ITS A DUCK!
getalife
August 11th, 2012
11:24 pm
Dusty,
It does not bother me because we balanced it before and the Clinton team will balance it again.
What does bother me was the out of control spending under w to blow it..
The key to a balance budget is never allow the gop to blow it again.
Not complicated, just common sense.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
11:27 pm
We needed a tea party for the last administration but they were too busy cheering w on.
Your hypocrisy has no bounds so stop the fake outrage.
We know your true colors.
td
August 11th, 2012
11:32 pm
getalife
August 11th, 2012
11:24 pm
Dusty,
It does not bother me because we balanced it before and the Clinton team will balance it again.
You libs never ever want to remember the fact that is was NEWT that balanced the budget. Look up “The contract with America”.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
11:34 pm
The newt shut down government and lost big the next election.
You are about to get another thumpin.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
11:36 pm
“For one thing, Romney already had endorsed the biggest aspects of the Ryan road map”
You need an update Kyle.
Your nominee flipped flopped again.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 11th, 2012
11:37 pm
@@Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
Caveat.10:46
That’s really CHEAP! Trying to relate Republicans to rabid killers. You really do want to divide this country.
I doubt that most Democrats would have anything to do with your line of thinkiing. Most of them are loyal Americans, not election time jerks like you.
Supremacists of any skin color represent no political party; just their own personal hate..
_____________________________________________________________
“Election time jerk?”
If you can’t answer a man’s arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
He that flings dirt at another dirtieth himself most.
A thick skin is a gift from God.
GOOD NIGHT AND I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS
AGAINST YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:43 pm
Caveat:
Quack ? Quack? You think like a duck who doesn’t know a psychopath from a doodlebug.
If it acts like a hate killer it is a.hate killer and politics has little to do with it. They come in all varieties, unless you want to hang a political sign on them. That seems to be your job. “Cheap” is putting it mildly.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:52 pm
Caveat,
You relate others to “killers” and then want to talk about name calling?
Your skin is not the only thing thick.
And; you are religiously wrong. so don’t use it to do the wrong thing.like insulting your fellow citizens which you do every day.. .
Dusty
August 12th, 2012
12:08 am
Goodnight getalife,
My true colors are red, white and blue! .
You made your usual “W” booboo.
So to you I say toodle loo..
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 12th, 2012
12:14 am
@Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:52 pm
Caveat,
You relate others to “killers” and then want to talk about name calling?
Your skin is not the only thing thick.
And; you are religiously wrong. so don’t use it to do the wrong thing.like insulting your fellow citizens which you do every day.. .
__________________________________________________________
THERE YOU PEOPLE GO AGAIN.
Trying to SILENCE those who disagree with you.
SO it is okay for you to name call (election jerks, Democrats: America-hating, debt-exploding, do-nothing obstructionists) ?????
The more things change the more THEY STAY THE SAME.
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 12th, 2012
12:24 am
“Even the stagnant economy is not enough to put Romney in the White House — although he must still keep hammering at that issue.
Incumbent presidents lose when the public thinks the challenger has a better idea of where to take us, and how to get there. Putting Ryan on the ticket means Romney intends to fight a big-issues election, and that he has the running mate to help him lay out that vision.”
_____________________________________________________________
“Putting Ryan on the ticket means Romney intends to fight a big-issues election, and that he has the running mate to help him lay out that vision.”
MYTH ROBME’S ULTIMATE GOAL IS FOR MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES TO PAY
ZERO TAXES.
AND THE MIDDLE CLASS WILL MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
killerj
August 12th, 2012
12:27 am
Show Time!
Kzguy
August 12th, 2012
4:53 am
You better believe the Obama camp said thanks for the late birthday gift. Ryan is the only one with a plan, a very bad plan. Now the attacks can be focused on Ryan’s plan and Mitt’s smugness
SBinF
August 12th, 2012
6:25 am
“Why I like the Ryan pick”
Because you’re a partisan hack who would never admit that Romney’s campaign is unraveling like a cheap Christmas sweater.
Joel Edge
August 12th, 2012
7:00 am
Your co-worker had a good point on this, Kyle. The Ryan pick sets a clear tone. Many people have mentioned Ryan and his budget are unpopular. Sometimes things that are good for you aren’t popular. In this case what’s good for the country might not be popular. We’ve pretty much reached a crossroads. You can either continue down the path of government control or you can try and roll back some the massive government waste and interference.
I personally think it’s a fifty-fifty shot. This might be the point where history considers the tipping point of the United States. If you believe that the Democrat Party and the federal government has your best interests at heart (and will for all eternity), feel free to vote for President Obama and the entire Democrat ticket. Understand this; once the Democrat Party has gotten support well above the fifty percent level of dependance, from then on the mob rules. Go read your history people. It happened to Rome and it can happen to us as well. We can lose our republic as easily as they did.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
7:33 am
Kzguy: Ryan is the only one with a plan
——————–
Occasionally a lefty accidentally speaks the truth. The Democrats have no plan. Except to explode spending, deficits, entitlement spending, dependence, and sloth.
AU Liberal in ATL
August 12th, 2012
7:41 am
Kyle would like the pick even if it were Rafala.
I’d like to see you debate that doofus, Classless of 98.
GT
August 12th, 2012
7:51 am
The congress is the center of the problem in this country, it lives off red meat issues and clogs the veins of government with it’s soap operas. Never in the history of this country has a branch of this government run on thin truths and lies, unless it was the Nixon White House whose paranoia got the best of them too. Ryan comes from this body, is very representative of the 13% approval rating, the lowest in the history of this country and offers solutions that are physically impossible that he now must come in front of class and teacher and explain.
Poor Mitt really had no choice, he is leader of a nut house and of the nuts this one may be the best. At least now he may stop hiding and come out and have a real debate on the future of America. Poor Mitt…
Chris Sanchez
August 12th, 2012
7:53 am
A Romney/Ryan administration would govern more as moderates compared to the conservatives they are running as. Of course, compared to Obama/Biden, they are “radical conservatives” the media portrays.
marko
August 12th, 2012
8:00 am
So the tax breaks are to be paid for with spending cuts to our already flimsy social programs. Somehow it will result in an economic supply side miracle. It’s really going work this time. Trust them.
Paul Ryan’s a devout follower of Ayn “ Atlas Shrugged” Rand. He’s tried recently to distance himself from the old girl. It seems that many fundamentalist have learned that Rand was a atheist drug addict. Ayn once worked on a book called the Virtue of Selfishness. Help me out on this one, I can’t remember which one of the four gospels was the Book of Selfish. That’s the kind of snake oil the GOP selling these days. We spent billions of dollars on an election, and all we got was a lousy bottle of snake oil.
skydog
August 12th, 2012
8:28 am
Dusty @ 9:33pm
Well, looks like the liberals here are really upset. I mean it is almost time for the water hoses to calm these guys.
Are you from Birmingham Dusty? Do you own German Shepherds?
Are you a WWF fan?
You know what you can do with your hose.
@@
August 12th, 2012
9:35 am
Caveat:
THE LAST TIME I CHECKED I paid INTO SOCIAL SECURITY.
THEY ARE JUST GIVING ME MY MONEY BACK.
But you’re drawing a pension. Not many people have that luxury.
Not willing to share the return on your investment?
Alrighty din!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
9:38 am
“So the tax breaks are to be paid for with spending cuts to our already flimsy social programs.”
This is so grossly incorrect it is unusual even for you, marko.
Let’s break this down, shall we?
The tax RATES are proposed to be lowered, and are projected to be paid for by ELIMINATING the current tax breaks, resulting in a flatter set of tax rates and a simpler tax code. The net result is that revenues will remain the same for most everybody.
The only spending cuts being proposed is an increase in the retirement age for people who are 50 (or 55) depending on which age is being bandied about at the time, and only to Social Security. Are you now admitting that Social Security is a “flimsy social program”? If so, congratulations on finally admitting that it is in trouble, because that’s what many of us have been saying for years. Now remember, no changes to Social Security are proposed for people older than the ages I wrote above, so seniors currently on Social Security have NOTHING to be worried about.
Oh, and btw, why don’t you tell us what Obama proposes to save Social Security? Maybe something he’s tried to get through Congress since he became President 3 1/2 years ago? Should be a short list, as in NOTHING!
Medicare? No changes to the program at first, except to block grant the money to the states and let them administer it best for them. Eventually transitioning the program to something more efficient through the private sector in conjunction with intelligent health insurance reform.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 12th, 2012
9:42 am
skydog – You’re the liberal, dude. You know what I mean?
bark, bark?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 12th, 2012
9:45 am
Tiberius is correct in that, if you are older than 55, Soc Sec and Medicare are more assured for you under Romney/Ryan than under Obama. R/R has a plan exempting you from any changes. Obama……………………………………………………………………………………………..well, he will improvise something, when needed.
Del
August 12th, 2012
9:53 am
The libs are as terrified here as they are over on Bookmans blog about Paul Ryan’s selection.. You can tell by the stupid immature insults they’ve been throwing out.
Oxwinkle
August 12th, 2012
10:07 am
The Dems could put Hitler on the ticket and lib media would be gushing! Growing in up Kenya does not give someone foreign policy experience.
Skip
August 12th, 2012
10:41 am
Off topic much ?
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
10:48 am
Yes, I for one, am absolutely TERRIFIED of this ticket!
OH NOES! NOT PAUL RYAN!!! AND MITT ROMNEY!!!
LOL.
The well-coifed cowardsare gonna be just another footnote in Barry’s biography…
Up Up and Away
August 12th, 2012
10:49 am
Kyle
Time will tell if this was a good pick. Not sure were Ryan pulls votes from outside of the
base, however he will surely galvanize that vote.
Be honest: You would have said you liked any pick.
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
10:54 am
A Romney/Ryan administration would govern more as moderates compared to the conservatives they are running as.
Chris, I am not so sure.
Remember what happened to GHWB when he did that very thing?
The rabid red meat eaters that run the Republican machine went ballistic.
This is the new GOP. Look at 18 of the 20 candidates that they have desperately tried to nominate in the past two elections! And failed. LOL at them.
When they say jump, you have to jump. No independent thought is tolerated. Everyone must be a fanatical extremist.
NO MODERATES ALLOWED.
@@
August 12th, 2012
10:56 am
82 y.o. Soros is marrying a 40 y.o. yoga instructor.
No comment, except to say…
Down Dog.
ew
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 12th, 2012
11:05 am
Del
August 12th, 2012
9:53 am
The libs are as terrified here as they are over on Bookmans blog about Paul Ryan’s selection.. You can tell by the stupid immature insults they’ve been throwing out.
Del- Haven’t been over there to look but they get pretty stupid and immature every day.
Is it that much worse?
Up Up and Away
August 12th, 2012
11:08 am
I report
Too bad you can’t post over there. You would get them good
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
11:09 am
Del
August 12th, 2012
9:53 am
The libs are as terrified here as they are over on Bookmans blog about Paul Ryan’s selection.. You can tell by the stupid immature insults they’ve been throwing out.
Dusty
August 12th, 2012
11:19 am
Well, it is a lovely day. I am so pleased that Americans have a great choice in selecting the next president. Romney and Ryan are a fine highly qualified team that will lift this country to its full potential. Gonna be a special day in America and the country will give a sigh of relief.
See ya later……let’s celebrate!!
Just Say No to New Taxes
August 12th, 2012
11:44 am
Did you see today’s story in the ajc about the beltline staff crooks misuse of credit cards? and that double ugly crook, imho, the stupid mayor, wanted to send the bill for the beltline to cobb county under the T-SPLAT program! Every member of the belt line commission should be fired, indited for theft, arrested, perp walked, and sent to jail without bond until trial! Make it so……
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 12th, 2012
11:47 am
From Yahoo News
Obama’s vision for America will make the rest of the country look like California, minus the beautiful scenery and warm weather.
Obama’s America is today’s California–complete with $100 billion taxpayer funded bullet trains to nowhere; out of control environmental extremists who have destroyed family farms and left some of the most fertile farm land in America fallow in order to protect a three inch fish; permanent high unemployment; government policies hostile to small business job creators; crippling high taxes; an abysmal real estate market; bloated government that wastes taxpayer money; endless budget shortfalls due to massive unfunded liabilities; city after city declaring bankruptcy; and a state government run by, in the words of one Wall Street Journal writer, “a brothel of environmentalists, lawyers, public-sector unions and legislative bums.”
Sarah Palin
Always ready to knock it out of the park!
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
11:56 am
“Sarah Palin
Always ready to knock it out of the park!”
sort of like in 08, uh?
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
11:58 am
you bet’cha
Just Say No to New Taxes
August 12th, 2012
11:58 am
I don’t see where giving fat cats like Mitt and Steve Swartzman a 15% income tax rate is going to create jobs. Remember, you and I are paying a marginal income tax rate of over 30% on our pathetically small hundreds of thousands of dollars of income, plus that pesky social security tax that phases our after a 110K for Mitt and the boys. Special low taxes for special fat cats does not fly with me!
Lynnie Gal
August 12th, 2012
12:02 pm
The platform Republicans are now running on–The Ayn Rand plan. A few quotes from Paul Ryan’s personal hero, Ayn Rand, (author of Atlas Shrugged) : “The man at the bottom who, left to himself, would starve in his hopeless ineptitude, contributes nothing to those above him, but receives the bonus of all their brains…Wealth is …made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools, by the able at the expense of the incompetent, by the ambitious at the expense of the lazy….”What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?”–Ayn Rand
Ryan purchases copies of Rand’s books for his staff as required reading.
Ayn Rand on Christian Compassion:
“Now there is one word–a single word–which can blast the morality of altruism out of existence and which it cannot withstand–the word: “Why?” Why must man live for the sake of others? Why must he be a sacrificial animal? Why is that the good? There is no earthly reason for it–and, ladies and gentlemen, in the whole history of philosophy no earthly reason has ever been given. It is only mysticism that can permit moralists to get away with it. It was mysticism, the unearthly, the supernatural, the irrational that has always been called upon to justify it… one just takes it on faith.”
Here’s Ryan praising Rand: http://youtu.be/WmW19uoyuO8
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 12th, 2012
12:18 pm
Standing
I noticed you didn’t challenge anything she said, just used the liberal tactic of making fun of the messenger to deflect from the message. You betcha!
The same thing will be done to Romney/Ryan every day by the tools in the comedy business and the MSM.
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
12:23 pm
“by the tools in the comedy business and the MSM.”
Tools always know tools, uh?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 12th, 2012
12:26 pm
NO MODERATES ALLOWED
Yep, when Evan Byah threw in the towel, the last conservative Democrat, left Washington.
@@
August 12th, 2012
12:34 pm
Moderated? O.K., I’m gonna have to break this up.
Scroll down to Archive Video—Paul Ryan on the difference between being pro-business and pro-market.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/janesville-buzzing-about-ryans-elevation-pl6f8e5-165864816.html
@@
August 12th, 2012
12:35 pm
Some may also want to check out a JSOnline article from 2009.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/43705712.html
Radical? I’m not seeing a radical in Paul Ryan.
Matz
August 12th, 2012
12:37 pm
I like the choice too. I appreciate that the factions that hijacked the GOP have become more honest, choosing to drop the pretense that they give a rat’s fuzzy about the working people of this country. Some people matter, and some people don’t. Now they can stand honestly on their true platform, and we all see it for what it is. Well done!
Karen
August 12th, 2012
12:45 pm
Can you say “Death Panel Kyle?
SBinF
August 12th, 2012
12:52 pm
The Ryan pick was to shore up Romney’s base. That is, Romney was worried about his own party coming out to vote for him. The Ryan pick will do nothing to pick up voters outside of the Republican’s ever shrinking tent.
Joseph
August 12th, 2012
1:03 pm
Ryan has an articulate message….
http://fincherstew.com/
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
1:09 pm
Joseph
Ryan will insure that the base comes out, I think that is a given. What other demographics will he be pulling from that will be significant enough to assist Romney in winning the White House.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
1:10 pm
SBinF: …the Republican’s ever shrinking tent.
————————
Two words: November 2010.
Republicans win when American voters outnumber Democrats. Simple.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
1:14 pm
Where’d “mike” go? Last night he wanted to see where in the Medicare trustees’ report it said the trust fund was going to be bankrupt in 2024. Now, for some reason, he’s not so interested in discussing the topic.
“mike” got schooled. I win.
TGT
August 12th, 2012
1:19 pm
As I noted on Bookman’s blog yesterday, it didn’t take long for the “Lie of the Year” to get repeated.
5 Things Obama Doesn’t Want You To Know About Ryan And Medicare
1.) The Republican reform plan totally exempts anyone over the age of 55 from any changes…
2.) The Democrats’ non-plan does the opposite. It has already slashed more than half-a-trillion dollars (Update: $741 Billion, according to the latest CBO score) from Medicare to fund Obamacare,…
3.) Medicare’s own accountants have calculated that Medicare will be insolvent within 12 years. As Democrats claim that Romney and Ryan want to “kill Medicare” or “end Medicare as we know it,” they fail to mention that the calendar and basic arithmetic will do that in the face of inaction. Doing nothing is President Obama’s plan because it tempts voters with the illusion that everything is going to be just fine…
4.) After his plan was criticized for being too partisan in the first “Path to Prosperity” budget, Paul Ryan adjusted his reforms in the FY 2013 version. He updated his Medicare reform to embrace a bipartisan solution he co-crafted with progressive Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), which maintains the original “premium support” model, but includes traditional Medicare as an option for future seniors…
5.) The Romney/Ryan plan does not impose “draconian and radical cuts.” In fact, the Republican budget increases spending. Every year. It simply slows the rate of increase…
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
1:21 pm
#6. She was a meth head
Caveat emptor (Translation - "Don't Fall For The Old Okey Doke")
August 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
@@@
August 12th, 2012
9:35 am
Caveat:
THE LAST TIME I CHECKED I paid INTO SOCIAL SECURITY.
THEY ARE JUST GIVING ME MY MONEY BACK.
But you’re drawing a pension. Not many people have that luxury.
Not willing to share the return on your investment?
Alrighty din!
______________________________________________________
I am sorry that some people will not have that advantage.
I worked for the federal government, private industry and I retired from
public education.
It is not a luxury……..its a blessing and I worked for it starting at 18.
If young people are smart they would find a job that pays into SS and another job
that offers a pension.
There are teachers who work part-time for example at Macy’s so that they can
pay into SS. School systems do not.
At retirement two checks: SS and pension.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
If young people are smart, they won’t count on a SS check, because that program is soon to become bankrupt as well. When that happens, promised benefits will not be as much as they are now.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
1:31 pm
The Ryan pick opens the door for substantive discussions on budgeting, deficits and the proper role of government.
Unfortunately, the only side willing and capable of engaging in these discussions are the GOP nominees.
The left and this current administration will simply continue their mind-numbing lies, exaggerations, and personal attacks.
It’s all they’ve got.
jconservative
August 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
“Mitt Romney is not going to win a popularity contest,…”
Generally that is what the presidential election is all about. See Bush in 2000 and 2004 and Obama in 2008.
“Putting Ryan on the ticket means Romney intends to fight a big-issues election…”
That is a problem, not an asset. The short attention span of the American voter does not allow for a complete explanation for a complicated subject. And the Ryan Plan is about as complicated as one can get in Washington. See Obama’s attempt to explain the Affordable Care Act, it is just to complicated to explain so, he just quit trying.
American elections are won by 10 to 30 second sound bites, not 30 minute explanations.
I believe this is a horrible selection!
getalife
August 12th, 2012
1:56 pm
“Tim Pawlenty: I Gave ‘A Bunch Of Tax Returns’ For VP Vetting”
mitt the twit needs to apologize to London and embarrassing our country like w then show 10 years of taxes to prove it.
Put up or shut up.
independent thinker
August 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
All it takes is one major national security or foreign policy crisis between now and November and these two wanabees will show how inept they are in those areas. They’ll keep using the same discredited Neocons as George W. to spew out all that neocon trash about acting tough without a clue as to the diplomatic issues and true security concerns. Syria is a good example as well as Egypt.
Neocons want us to intervene and overthrow Assad. Problem is the Syrian Christians ar on Assad’s side and fear a jihadist takeover by the Sunnis. Our puppet government in Iraq hates the Sunnis and supports Assad. If the rebels get control of the huge chemical stores Assad has, Israel will jump in while Turkey backs the rebels and has distanced from Israel. So Romney is going to jump into another Muslim civil war at the request of the Neocons?In this mess? Whose going to pay ?Don’t expect any Romney family member to serve- three generations escaped service. How soon will Romney declare Mission Accomplished? And what are we going to do when the Rebel Sunni Jihadists we backed start trouble in Iraq or threaten Israel and the Syrian Christians?? Don;t expect the Romney/Ryan team to have a clue- just follow the Neocons into another quagmire and financial boondoggle..
dawgfan75
August 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
I am a social liberal and fiscal conservative. I believe in taking care of all the people in this country first and everything else after that…ie defense, corporate welfare, money to other countries, ect. I do not believe we should be wasting money on inane projects. I believe that anyone that is supposedly working with the confidence of the people and gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar should get inordinately looooong prison sentences in a real prison. That includes politicians, bankers, cops, inspecters, ect. When will I see my interests represented by a pol from any party. Has not happened, yet.
getalife
August 12th, 2012
2:19 pm
This election was over when robme said trust me, I paid taxes but refused to prove it.
Watch his numbers tank.
He will get the con vote and that is all.
MarkV
August 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
independent thinker @1:59 pm
I am not sure what the Neocons want, I do not pay them that much attention, but I know what the Republicans in general say they want. The want Obama to intervene in Syria, because Obama is not doing it. If he did, they would say that he is bringing Al-Qaeda to power there. Just like in Egypt, first they attacked Obama for not supporting the people more aggressively, now they attack him for letting Mubarak fall and the Muslim Brotherhood come to power.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
“Why I like the Ryan pick”
.
Maybe cuz…………………….you’re paid to.
.
Pravda.
independent thinker
August 12th, 2012
3:04 pm
MarkV – your exactly right – Just past week that so called Jihadist in power in Egypt who the Neocons call a threat to Israel and the US ended up participating in a joint military oeration against terrorists with Israel. Israel ended up killing them after they killed 16 Egyptian soldiers. End result- both countries blamed Hamas. So what would Bachmann and the Neocons say? Nothing.
Neocons have screwed up any US involvement in the Middle East except making the Saudis and Kuwaitis very rich with our oil money.
These two would just continue the GOP tradition.
Paul Ryan's Dangerous Plan (Shameonya)
August 12th, 2012
3:11 pm
The Romney-Ryan plan would THROW seniors under the bus and undermine
their health security by ending Medicare as we KNOW it. It would INCREASE
health care costs for seniors, including those on FIXED income, by thousands
of dollars a year.
The extreme plan proposed by this year’s Republican ticket would bring
HUGE TAX BREAKS to millionaires, paid for by tax HIKES on the middle class,
and MASSIVE CUTS to investments that strengthen the middle class
priorities like education, health care, energy and scientific and medical research.
A Ryan Shame (His Dangerous Plan)
August 12th, 2012
3:16 pm
@jconservative
August 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
I believe this is a horrible selection!
______________________________________________
IT’S A RYAN SHAME
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
jconservative: I believe this is a horrible selection!
——————————
Right, because Joe Biden has so many accomplishments to his name and is such a promising talent.
Vote American.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
3:31 pm
I see the poster who constantly changes his blog name at 3:11 has gotten the DNC talking points down pat.
No matter how inaccurate they may be.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
We know Obozo’s plan won’t work, because raising taxes to 100% on millionaires and billionaires would only reduce Obozo’s deficit by 5%.
What is Obozo’s plan for reducing his deficit?
Romney and Ryan have a plan. It’s called “letting America be America again”.
Evict the fascist vermin from Our White House.
Vote American.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
I immediately dismiss any comments made by someone who uses the term “independent” and “thinker” in the blog name, when all they do is bash one side in a debate and bring up old, discredited talking points from the DNC.
In short, they are neither “independent”, nor capable of “thinking”.
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
You dismiss it, yet still cry about it?
Why even bother to post anything relating to that blogger if you were dismissing it?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
Just pointing out the nonsense.
Why do you care?
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
4:09 pm
Tiberius
Come over the Jay’s sometimes. Numerous right of center folks over there, but one more voice wouldn’t hurt.
getalife
August 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
ryan is another hail mary like palin and the result will be the same.
President Obama by 10 again.
Gates are open
August 12th, 2012
4:32 pm
CHARLOTTE – Mitt Romney requested “several” years of tax returns from his potential running mates, a senior adviser to the candidate said Saturday, suggesting that those considered for the ticket may have been required to reveal more financial documents that the candidate himself.
In a briefing with reporters in Virginia Saturday, senior adviser Beth Myers, who was charged with headed the vice president selection process, declined to specify exactly how many years of tax returns were required, saying only that “several” were requested.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
4:32 pm
Sorry, Standing, but I have no respect whatsoever for the host over there and expressed such to hin in no uncertain terms.
He didn’t like it and he banned me.
Don’t miss him or his merry band of (largely) loony libs one bit.
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
4:34 pm
Gates are open,
Just another example of how the man is unfit to lead.
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
4:36 pm
Tiberius
Of I didn’t know that, however I figured another voice is always good.
I’m sure I will see you here from time to time.
Standing on the top
August 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
Meant to type “Oh” not “Of”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
And Gates and AmVet continue their “small ball” deflections from the actual important issues.
Keep focusing on that stuff.
While the adults focus on the future of our country.
TGT
August 12th, 2012
4:43 pm
I am a social liberal and fiscal conservative.
Then you’re a liberal. One cannot be a Fiscal Conservative and a Social Liberal. They are contradictory positions. As another has put it:
Social Liberals view society as a field in which fairness does not exist but must be imposed. Where people are suppressed and not free to pick themselves up but need to be picked up and supported by others. It’s a society where others have “too much” and must be compelled to provide for others. It’s a Utopian vision of Society, leveling, a construct. Social Liberalism leverages “Social Justice”, redistribution of wealth (property) and Public Services as the means to an end.
…Fiscal Conservatives believe in smaller Government and a basic set of reasonable operational guidelines. The result is a less costly Government less involved in the “day to day operations” of peoples lives. Social programs are very clearly massive Administrative undertakings with a ton of overhead, duplication and cost and are typically anathema to Fiscal conservative.
Social Programs – Social Security, SNAP, MediCare, HealthCare, etc. – are massively costly. That is absolutely undeniable. Gun registries, bans, etc. are also massively costly. They also absolutely ensure that you pay for other peoples choices while being able to order them around. It’s the worst of both worlds wrapped up in the Nanny blanket of compassion and Utopia.
TGT
August 12th, 2012
4:51 pm
Mitt Romney requested “several” years of tax returns from his potential running mates…
And you libs can’t understand the difference between a private request and a public one. (Just as McCain requested–and received–several years from Mitt when he was being vetted for VP.) You libs love to keep the conversation focused on Mitt’s taxes instead of on Obama’s record. Another reason you are unfit to lead, or vote.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
“I am a social liberal and fiscal conservative.
Then you’re a liberal. One cannot be a Fiscal Conservative and a Social Liberal. They are contradictory positions.”
No, they are not, TGT.
I am a social liberal on personal issues, NOT on government issues. That means I don’t believe that government needs to get into who should and shouldn’t marry, who can or cannot have an abortion, and shouldn’t be in the middle of picking and choosing who can be discriminated against.
I don’t believe in a social nanny-state, which is my fiscal conservative side.
These are NOT contradictory positions.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
5:16 pm
You’d have to be mentally deficient to expect that because Ryan gave his tax returns to President Romney, he should also give them to America’s enemies in the Obozo campaign.
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
5:24 pm
Tibby thinks he represents the adult voice in this country???
Huge LOL.
But then again he is making baby steps progress; he hasn’t got permanently banished from any more forums recently.
(Kyle has scared the hell outta these kids.)
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
Obama fundraiser in Chicago. ‘Admission only $51, but room is half full.”
Maybe no one wanted to hear the illiterate gibberish?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
5:35 pm
At least some of us discuss the important issues facing this nation, AmVet, unlike the chronic whining and repetitive one-note harping on everything BUT the important issues, as you excel at.
But then, anyone who admits to voting for Ralph Nader really can’t be taken seriously as someone willing to discuss important issues, can they?
@@
August 12th, 2012
5:40 pm
Whooaaaa…not a good thing.
In Upheaval for Egypt, Morsi Forces Out Military Chiefs
Thulsa Doom
August 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
“Pravda.”
Thomas Heyward,
How ironical. You forget that Pravda was a left wing propoganda news organ. Too funny.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
6:01 pm
Thulsa, you have to remember that anything short of Ron Paul is completely unacceptable to Thomas Heyward.
Paulistas – they’re the new crazy.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
6:07 pm
Who’s Ron Paul voting for?
Logical Song
August 12th, 2012
6:14 pm
When should polls start showing the big bounce Romney will be getting from his VP selection?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
6:16 pm
Depends. Might be a week or two.
If there is any bounce at all. I don’t put a lot of faith in either polls or VP picks.
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
6:18 pm
So go ahead, tibby, tell us your issues with Nader.
I’ll get some popcorn…
BTW, I loved how you got on independent thinking for doing exactly what you do.
Hysterical that you can’t even see your mammoth hypocrisy.
LOL at you.
I’ll check in later to see your scintillating, fact-filled, verifiable, die hard Republican issues with Ralph!
Or not…
Logical Song
August 12th, 2012
6:19 pm
Tiberius
I think he will get something then there is the convention. He should be tied or close come November. He better be
Logical Song
August 12th, 2012
6:20 pm
meant to say October during the debates, not November
Hillbilly D
August 12th, 2012
6:26 pm
Moderated? O.K., I’m gonna have to break this up.
I believe Kyle’s limit is one link per post.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
6:29 pm
“So go ahead, tibby, tell us your issues with Nader.”
You mean the fact that he had no plan to govern if elected, and was merely running to keep his name recognition from waning even further than it has?
Waiting for the expected response featuring corporatocracy, neo-cons, oligarchs and the rest of your all-too-repeated phrases.
But never, ever any substance.
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
6:41 pm
No facts, tibby.
No data, no evidence, no quotes, no policy positions.
Nothing.
As always.
Just your dumb opinions. Which are like ________.
You don’t know what you are talking bout. THAT is why you don’t even try to discuss such matters intelligently.
Now, try again.
Or don’t.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 12th, 2012
7:01 pm
What are Thomas and the rest of the Paulistas going to do when, Ron Paul stands up at the GOP convention and says we need to get behind Romney/Ryan?
I don’t think they will join Jamvet and vote for Roseanne Barr, but then again, you just never know.
old timer
August 12th, 2012
7:08 pm
I agree…Kyle. good choice. Now, if Romney would get Neil Boortz, Herman Cain, and Newt to coach him for debates…we gotta game on.
DannyX
August 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
“In short, they are neither “independent”, nor capable of “thinking”.”
My favorite is when a person claims to be non-partisan but do nothing but preach the party line.
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August 12th, 2012
7:42 pm
Okay…so it wasn’t me that AmVet asked but here goes…
Ralph Nader doesn’t play well with others.
The dark side of Ralph Nader
He’s made a career of railing against corporate misdeeds. Yet he himself has abused his underlings, betrayed close friends and ruled his public-interest empire like a dictator.
Probably why AmVet likes him so much. Two peas in a pod, they…
@@
August 12th, 2012
7:55 pm
Say wh-a-a-a-a!!!
“Although Mr. Nader was earning approximately $500,000 per year in personal income, he paid little or no taxes since he deducted various expenses of his operations as ‘business expenses’ or he made contributions to ‘charitable organizations’ controlled by him.” Jacobs continued, “He also engaged in what I viewed to be questionable end of year tax juggling, often pre-dating or post-dating checks to get a deduction in a particular year. He would often pad travel expenses and double-bill for travel expenses when he had two engagements in a particular out-of-town city.”
Maybe we should have a look at NADER’S tax returns.
@@
August 12th, 2012
8:00 pm
N-o-o-o-ooooo
Ralph Nader was guilty of paying his employees low wages or NO WAGES AT ALL???????
The former associate also charged that Nader’s nonprofit enterprises were run with very little oversight by their boards: “No independent outside audits were made of any of the Nader organizations until various states required Public Citizen statements.”
Jacobs also wrote in the affidavit that Nader was “inordinately harsh in his dealings with his employees and others. Although he had amassed a reserve of over $2 million in various foundations, organizations and in his personal brokerage account, he paid extremely low wages and often refused to pay employees and others for work done.”
Whodathunkit?
AmVet’s hero is a skinflint?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 12th, 2012
8:05 pm
“Going into the doors. Holy moly I can’t believe the people,” Tim relayed to Jacobson. “One picture is the front of the line, one picture kinda the back, EXCEPT my camera can’t capture two and a half blocks of people. Many are actually women (the shock).”
Romney/ Ryan campaign event^^.
Packed full of their victims (women.)
heh
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 12th, 2012
8:15 pm
I’m shocked that a liberal like Nadar does not pay his fair share. What is it about Dems and liberals like Daschle, Buffett, and Geitner trying to get away with not paying their fair share, but calling for increasing taxes on small business.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
8:17 pm
Simple, Rafe. They’re hypocritical scumbags.
@@
August 12th, 2012
8:20 pm
It’s time for AmVet to DENOUNCE Nader as the WORST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EVAH!
schnirt
@@
August 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
Nader was also described as cult like.
@@
August 12th, 2012
8:24 pm
Nader could be mentally ill. Some of his former associates have speculated as much.
@@
August 12th, 2012
8:26 pm
Romney, Ryan share glow of honeymoon–WaPo
What’s WaPo trying to infer with that headline?
Common Sense
August 12th, 2012
8:38 pm
We had a popularity test four years ago. It has worked out worse than expected.
Now it is time to grow up, and make the hard decisions that need to be made.
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
8:45 pm
Given that the girl is one of the 100 most important Americans of the last century, has saved countless American lives, is widely recognized as a brilliant person and author and is the Godfather of American Consumers and has fought relentlessly for the little guy’s rights and protections and that Ralph Nader is a blogging, highly confused, banned nobody from Stickbridge George.
Well, there ya go…
JamVet
August 12th, 2012
8:47 pm
Time for the Closing Ceremonies, so the lil banned one will now have to go to work on someone else’s leg.
I suggest Rafe.
He’s always likes the attention.
Toodles, trolls…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
8:47 pm
“Given that the girl is one of the 100 most important Americans of the last century,”
As proclaimed by nobody of importance. . . .
@@
August 12th, 2012
8:54 pm
??!!?? Stickbridge George ??!!??
@@
August 12th, 2012
9:09 pm
The Romney campaign quickly dispatched the congressman to some of those battlegrounds. At a rally Sunday night in Wisconsin, the Republican pair were welcomed by a crowd of 8,000 to 10,000—the largest Romney rally to date. Mr. Ryan’s choked-up opener: “Hi, Mom.”–WSJ
Ahwwwwww. That’s so sweet!
cc
August 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin… :
“Obama fundraiser in Chicago. ‘Admission only $51, but room is half full.” Maybe no one wanted to hear the illiterate gibberish?”
Or maybe they know him too well in Chicago? It could just be that any would-be attendees are afraid to get caught in the crossfire enroute to the function or returning home. The homicide rate in Chicago is worse now than when Al Capone ran the town! That’s just another by-product of the obama (lack of) administration.
Beverly Fraud
August 12th, 2012
9:13 pm
“For another, it’s already abundantly clear that the Obama campaign, which has already suggested Romney is a felon and tried to pin a woman’s death on him, considers nothing off-limits in this race.”
Yes, Kyle and Karl Rove in contrast is just a policy wonk who engages in only the most high minded of discourse…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
??!!?? Stickbridge George ??!!??
@@ – Obviously, Amvetty (Kyle, I’m just following her lead, ie Tibby) is wasted.
I always thought Ralph Nader was a freak.
jbgotcha
August 12th, 2012
9:22 pm
Such sad sheep most of you are. None of these elected officials can save us. They are all merely systems managers, ill equipped to deal with the failure of capitalism as we know it. We are all commodities to these people and they will not stop until they have squandered every resource we have. Most of us will end up in the same boat ultimately. Without a strong community with a great diversity in ideas we will fail. Everything on Fox and MSNBC or really any major news outlet is propaganda. Wingfield is no different. He works for the oligarchs.
Common Sense
August 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
“Or maybe they know him too well in Chicago? It could just be that any would-be attendees are afraid to get caught in the crossfire enroute to the function or returning home. The homicide rate in Chicago is worse now than when Al Capone ran the town! That’s just another by-product of the obama (lack of) administration.”
We know him too well, also. The gig is up.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Oy, Teh stoopid. It burns. . . .
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
cc – obozo can’t even hire stooges to stand in nowadays. The unions got better things to do like log some overtime or man a picket line. The community organizers have organized their needles, spoons and butane lighters and have zoomed off into oblivion. The flash mob struck the wrong location. rahm had the city workers busy harassing Chickfila.
Not their fathers democrat party.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
jbgotcha: None of these elected officials can save us.
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No, but they sure as heck can wreck us with their trillion-plus deficits and massive expansion of sloth-inducing handout programs.
A Ryan Shame (His Dangerous Plan)
August 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 12th, 2012
8:17 pm
Simple, Rafe. They’re hypocritical scumbags.
____________________________________________________________
The name-calling technique links a person, or idea, to a negative symbol.
The person who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject the
person or the idea on the basis of the negative symbol, instead of looking
at the available evidence.
WE ARE MORE INTELLIGENT AND WILL NOT FALL FOR YOUR NAME
CALLING TECHNIQUE. IT SHOWS YOUR LACK OF CLASS.
A Ryan Shame (His Dangerous Plan)
August 12th, 2012
9:46 pm
@Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
jbgotcha: None of these elected officials can save us.
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No, but they sure as heck can wreck us with their trillion-plus deficits and massive expansion of sloth-inducing handout programs.
______________________________________________________________
The Dangerous Ryan Plan WILL TAKE 28 years to reduce the DEFICIT.
THE BOY WONDER RYAN AIN’T SUCH A WONDER AFTER ALL.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
9:59 pm
“The Dangerous Ryan Plan WILL TAKE 28 years to reduce the DEFICIT.”
And since it took longer than that to create, do you wish it to take less time?
Because if it did, you’d be whining even louder than you are now, Shame.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 12th, 2012
9:59 pm
There will be no fruitful dumpster-diving, a la Sarah Palin. Instead they are bragging about a 290-page Ryan opposition research paper from the left-wing super PAC American Bridge that focuses on the congressman’s plan to reform Medicare to offer a “premium support” option—a proposal he crafted with Oregon’s Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden.
What???????? A dummycrat wants to throw grandma off the cliff??????
A Ryan Shame (His Dangerous Plan)
August 12th, 2012
10:01 pm
THE BOY WONDER RYAN HAS been characterized as a radical
budget-cutter who wants to TOSS GRANNY OUT OF HER WHEELCHAIR
and down a flight of stairs.
He voted for Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, TARP, auto bailouts,
and ALL THE WARS waged by George W. Bush.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
10:03 pm
And some people actually see the light when a freight train is coming at you.
You and the Democrats remain in the dark.
A Ryan Shame (His Dangerous Plan)
August 12th, 2012
10:05 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
9:59 pm
“The Dangerous Ryan Plan WILL TAKE 28 years to reduce the DEFICIT.”
And since it took longer than that to create, do you wish it to take less time?
Because if it did, you’d be whining even louder than you are now, Shame.
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But it nows seems that the 2012 election may come down to
a vision of a government that either spends $1 trillion or $2 trillion
more annually than we do now. Which is not a welcome development.
BTW, some of you WON’T BE AROUND IN 28 YEARS SO WHAT
DO YOU CARE?
TGT
August 12th, 2012
10:08 pm
I am a social liberal on personal issues, NOT on government issues. That means I don’t believe that government needs to get into who should and shouldn’t marry, who can or cannot have an abortion…
Then you ARE a liberal on govt. issues. If you believe that govt. can redefine marriage and should not protect the most innocent and vulnerable among us, you are a liberal. Sorry. Live with it or change.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
10:11 pm
Some of us care what kind of country we leave to our children and grandchildren.
Some of us care about making sure that the greatest nation even known on the face of this Earth continues on.
Some of us care that the freedom and individual liberty and responsibility our Founding Fathers meant for us to enjoy should be cherished by this and succeeding generations; NOT a reverence for government.
Some of us have principles, Shame, and would like for others to have them as well.
THAT is why some of us care – today, tomorrow, and when we’re long gone.
Old Timer
August 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
Being an Old Timer I have advised anyone in the family that votes for Obama is cut out of the will.
A Ryan Shame (His Dangerous Plan)
August 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
@Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
10:03 pm
And some people actually see the light when a freight train is coming at you.
You and the Democrats remain in the dark.
________________________________________________________
The LIGHT is not an ILLUSION. The FREIGHT TRAIN is.
The future depends on what we do in the present.
finn mccool
August 12th, 2012
10:17 pm
Ryan’s budget is so devastating to the poor and middle class that it earned him a rebuke from the nation’s Catholic Bishops, the first time in memory they’ve entered politics for any reason but to deny women freedom and promote Republicans.
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/paul_ryan_randian_poseur/
A Ryan Shame (His Dangerous Plan)
August 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
@Old Timer
August 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
Being an Old Timer I have advised anyone in the family that votes for Obama is cut out of the will.
______________________________________________
Wisdom doesn’t automatically come with old age. Nothing does -
except wrinkles. It’s true, some wines improve with age. But only
if the grapes were good in the first place.
AND
The surprising thing about young fools is how many survive to become old fools.
TGT
August 12th, 2012
10:29 pm
The Catholic Bishops have taken the correct positions on abortion and marriage, however, it seems that, along with many other Americans they need to learn this simple truth: It is no act of charity to be generous with someone else’s money.
No doubt the Catholic Church has seriously sincere motives here, and thinks that such a socialist position is in line with Christ’s teaching. However, Jesus teaches us to be personally generous, not to use the power of govt. to take the wealth of one to provide for another–especially to the extent that it occurs in the U.S. today.
finn mccool
August 12th, 2012
10:32 pm
In the 70s, of course, Ryan’s GOP won over the white working class with these sorts of anti-welfare appeals, and at the time it was understood that the takers weren’t white. The toughest issue for today’s GOP is that increasingly, government takers are white; many are white seniors, the core of the GOP base….the more federal money a county receives, the more likely it is to vote Republican. That money might not be merely food stamps or temporary aid for needy families; it might also be crop subsidies, housing payments, Medicaid and even military spending, along with the wildly popular Medicare and Social Security.
salon.com
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August 12th, 2012
10:45 pm
And here I thought liberals didn’t want the church interfering in matters of government. I wish you guys would make up your mind (singular).
Just as many Catholics are opposed to the Church’s stance on contraception, it’s highly conceivable that they’ll go against the CC and vote for Ryan whether the Bishops approve or not. It’s not like the Bishops enter the voting booth with the parishioners.
Just as blacks are not a monolithic group, neither are Catholics.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
10:51 pm
“If you believe that govt. can redefine marriage”
I think only the Church can define marriage. Why do you think government has a role in the personal relationships of two consenting adults, TGT?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
Finn McCool – still living in the ’70’s.
independent thinker
August 12th, 2012
11:11 pm
T-”Discredited talking points” –Sounds like the excuses of the Neocons that got us into the trillion dollar boondoggle in Iraq. Just ignore the facts on the ground and go with some political view point
to make people believe you are macho and can police the world at someone else’s lives and expense.
Hillbilly D
August 12th, 2012
11:45 pm
In the 70s, of course, Ryan’s GOP won over the white working class with these sorts of anti-welfare appeals, and at the time it was understood that the takers weren’t white.
As I remember back in the 1970’s, there were more whites on public assistance, than non-whites. That was always one of the great misconceptions.
TGT
August 13th, 2012
12:13 am
Ever heard of prostitution or laws against drug-abuse Tiberius? However, I never said anything govt. getting into folks personal relationships. Good governments for centuries have understood that it is to societies benefit to recognize and support traditional (biblical) marriage.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 13th, 2012
6:34 am
Ryan is nothing but a master con man. He uses camouflage when he goes bow hunting and uses free market rhetoric as camouflage to grow the state.
.
Pretty much the same result………………for the deer and the sheep.
Streetracer
August 13th, 2012
6:36 am
I have seen on some other sites people already wanting to see Ryan’s tax returns. Seems to me that no one should talk about other folk’s taxes until after they have released their own.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 13th, 2012
6:38 am
Who’s Ron Paul voting for, Thomas?
marko
August 13th, 2012
6:40 am
This year year has been the hottest ever recorded. All across the country, crops are coming in as a total loss. Not to worry about the Red State tractor Queens though. they have federal crop insurance.
Twenty insurance companies in Bermuda, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, Canada and the U.S. were paid $7.1 billion in U.S. taxpayer funds from 2007 to 2011 to sell American farmers crop insurance policies, an Environmental Working Group analysis shows. The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Risk Management Agency paid these companies for administrative and operating expenses for the federally subsidized crop insurance program.
By definition government waste is the money the government gives to somebody else. The government picks up the tab for 62% of cost of federal crop insurance. Without it many farmers would be out of business. Their farms auctioned off, and their homes lost.
unlike 1938 when federal crop insurance began, few Americans work on farms these days. most the actual labor is done by migrant farm workers. As you silly liberals can clearly see , welfare’s for millionaires. Today government steals from the rich to give to the rich. If you aint rich, they really don’t have the time to waste on you. Remember elections cost money, and from congressmen’s eyes we’re all pretty much a bunch of dead beats.
What do you what to bet that grandma’s Medicare is expendable after your elected hero pockets the check from a generous foreign insurance company?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 13th, 2012
6:48 am
Yes, marko, what we need is for the tax payers to be on the hook for every bad thing that might befall anyone. Grow up.
#Occupy my desk...
August 13th, 2012
6:56 am
I do have to hand it to Obama, he has everyone watching the bouncing ball with Bain & Romney’s tax returns, that nobody is noticing that we are slipping back into recession, gas is back at $4, dismal reports on employment, manufacturing and econ growth – all while adding trillions in debt. Masters of misdirection – Wars on Women, Immigrants, Elderly, Uninsured, blah blah blah. And let’s not forget – the 1%! Raising taxes on them wouldn’t make a dent in anything, but it would get Democrats fired up about sticking it to those fat cats! Pointless gesture.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 13th, 2012
7:09 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout – Vote American
August 13th, 2012
6:38 am
Who’s Ron Paul voting for, Thomas?
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The Good doctor hasn’t said.
Because Ron Paul has principles, believes in Liberty and the Free market(and unlike Ryan ..has the voting RECORD to back his rhetoric)……..he will probably endorse Gary Johnson.
.
He would NEVER endorse the NDAA supporting R&R ticket.
.
Principles dude….Principles.
Peadawg
August 13th, 2012
7:47 am
“Why I like the Ryan pick” – Um, b/c you’re rich?
If you’re middle class, why would you vote for this guy otherwise?
JDW
August 13th, 2012
7:56 am
@Streetracer…”Seems to me that no one should talk about other folk’s taxes until after they have released their own.”
The President has released his returns since 2000. When Romney/Ryan does the same the conversation regarding the release of the returns shall end.
Skip
August 13th, 2012
8:05 am
Ryan, the go to guy when you want a post office named after you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
8:05 am
JDW continues his Peeping Tom mode of operation.
Do you like to look in your neighbors windows, too?
JDW
August 13th, 2012
8:17 am
@Tiberius…”Do you like to look in your neighbors windows, too?”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
8:27 am
Let’s see, JDW, what “accountability do you want? He’s rich. I know it. You know it. You just want more chow to feed you and the rest of the trolls out there. Let’s face it most everybody (if not everybody) claiming to want to see more tax returns aren’t going to vote for Romney anyway, so why should he dance to your tune?
And pardon me if I don’t believe anything that the “other” columnist writes about. I’ll do my own thinking once I get all the facts, not the cherry-picked ones he provides on a daily basis.
gm
August 13th, 2012
8:36 am
Kyle Wingfield is the perfect example out of touch nut winger, of course the budget increase under Obama never mind the money he spend bailing out auto, banks to help Americans get back on their feet.
Amazing the right nut wings dont like bailing out Americans who needed help but was ok when W sent billions to Iraq, I guess people like Kyle dont mind rich brinks like Ryan want to gut SSI and Medicaide when people have paid in to it all there life, nobody can possible vote for these two out of touch people.
Ken
August 13th, 2012
8:40 am
It’s weak to say Romney and Ryan have no foreign experience- as opposed to Obama and Biden’s foreign legacy. But that aside, the election will be won by whoever can make the voters feel more secure about the future, can convince grammaw and pawpaw that they are going to continue to eat at the trough of entitlements and can come up with an easily explained way of handling the growing deficit.
Thus far, the current regime has shown very little ability to create a job-growth in any sector other than the “you want fries with that” service sector. Well, at least he has chased away a ton of Mexicanos, here for the housing boom that collapsed.
The ACA will obviously backfire on Obama- typical politicians’ reaction to an issue- throw a ton of regulations at it with little thought- remember this is a guy that was gonna kill Medicare Advantage programs. Businesses of all sizes are already looking at ways of cutting costs to address this new headache- read- layoffs.
Ryan, for all the arguments is probably the best one to be tackling financial issues- he at least has enough sense to come in outta the rain. I like this selection- young, smart as a whip, financially and economically capable of doing what needs to be done. Darn sight better than McCain’s Alaskan rogue diva.
As a business owner, I want someone who is going to give me credit for creating my biz, rather than someone telling me I didn’t do it- guvment did. Let’s give these guys a chance- this is one of those cases where the devil you know versus the devil you don’t doesn’t apply- we already have had 4 years of the devil we know and it ain’t flying too well.
And, oh yeah- those libs that keep pointing at military spending- be darn glad we do spend that money- Putin just mentioned upgrading Russia’s Air Force- if you think he wouldn’t start the cold war again, you have kept your head in the sand for too long- come up for air…and China is just one step away from expansionism- you gotta read history- they see themselves as a culture much superior to ours due to their being a 3,000 year entity while we are just children.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
8:47 am
“Ryan has…a remarkable ability to tap into the economic anxiety of working class whites and steer it toward paranoia that their troubles are the fault of other people — the slackers and the moochers, Ayn Rand;’s famous ‘parasites’”
Joan Walsh
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
8:48 am
Ryan has passed 2 bills in 10 years?
gm
August 13th, 2012
8:52 am
Ken
Another hypocrite bible thumping idiot, lets see who is the devil? Mitt and satan little helper wants to gut old people medicaide, against healthcare for sick children, slash education programs, give tax breaks to the rich.
I think God would smile down on Obama who has compasion for the middle class, you right sickos really need help”””’
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
8:56 am
Paul Ryan’s hero: Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them
AlterNet’s Joshua Holland has the goods: “Her books provided wide-ranging parables of ‘parasites,’ ‘looters’ and ‘moochers’ using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes’ labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O’Connor (her husband was Frank O’Connor).
http://www.alternet.org/story/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits%2C_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them
gm
August 13th, 2012
9:01 am
Thank you Willard for chosing Paul”’
Now Obama has support of Seniors, Blacks, Gays, Asians, 50% women, Latinos, Muslims, Students, just about every body who is not a tea party idiot or millionare, bigots who dont care about their SSI Medicare.
The campign ads of Medicaide by Obama will come out in full force in Florida so thank you for giving the left Florida””””
splavistic
August 13th, 2012
9:02 am
Bwahaha. Romney is the GW to Ryan’s his Palin. Dumb and dumber.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:09 am
On nooos. Dems might lose Wisconsin!
The horror!!!!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
9:10 am
You know, the idiocy of thinking that people who were forced to pay into Social Security aren’t entitled to their benefits is simply laughable.
If we were that stupid as to give up that which we paid for, we’d be liberals.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:17 am
Well, I’m glad I married upward.
After you Cons get rid of the safety net of SS and Medicare and all your savings vanishes in the stock market like it did in 2008, let me know which park or wooded lot you set up your retirement tent or cardboard box and I’ll do my best to drop by and share some of what I have.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
9:18 am
“After you Cons get rid of the safety net of SS and Medicare ”
And yet, not a single proposal is out there trying to do either of these things.
Go figure.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:21 am
Tiberius – living the life with blinders on!!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:24 am
First, and perhaps most important, the budget would drastically change social safety net entitlement programs, shifting them away from the guaranteed benefit programs we know today to voucherized plans. The idea is to give people more flexibility on healthcare and retirement savings, but the effect could be far more severe. For Medicare, Ryan’s plan phases out the single-payer system that currently exists and replaces it with a “premium support system,” which essentially provides seniors with subsidies to purchase their own healthcare. But the vouchers are indexed to the growth of the economy, plus a little bit, while the cost of medical care has historically grown at much faster rates, meaning that over time, the vouchers will fall increasingly short of meeting the medical cost needs of seniors. This will save the government money, but shift costs back to seniors and undermine the original goals of Medicare.
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/11/what_you_need_to_know_about_ryans_budget/
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:26 am
“It’s a matter of simple math. Any tax plan that purports to hold revenues steady while massively cutting taxes for the rich must make up the lost revenue by raising taxes on people who are not rich.” Ryan calls for cutting taxes on the wealthy and others, but doesn’t explain how to make up the difference.
same link
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
9:27 am
“I think God would smile down on Obama who has compasion for the middle class”
Of course He would. Obama’s your Messiah, after all . . .
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:29 am
My 9:24 is what we are going to hammer on for the next 3 months.
incessantly!
JDW
August 13th, 2012
9:32 am
@Tiberius…”what “accountability do you want? He’s rich.”
There are a lot of inconsistencies in his taxes that I want to understand. For example:
-Just how does one legally amass a $100 million 401K…the math doesn’t work?
-Did Romney properly report his offshore holdings or did he take advantage of the 2009 amnistiy program?
-Has he attempted to dodge gift taxes through his use of complex trust instruments?
-Just how does he manage to qualify for the carried interest loophole via offshore Bain accounts?
Frankly I think that he has crossed the line and may have even already be caught and fined by the IRS.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
9:32 am
“My 9:24 is what we are going to hammer on for the next 3 months.
incessantly!”
And I’m sure we’ll all appreciate the ridiculousness of those repetitive posts each and every time, Finn.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:36 am
ridiculousness of those repetitive posts
Yes, for the few Americans who refuse to face facts and, well, probably wouldn’t know a fact if it bit em on the bum, yes, they will be ridiculous.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
9:41 am
“Frankly I think that he has crossed the line and may have even already be caught and fined by the IRS.”
And yet, we have heard nothing like this, even in the harsh light of the Obamamedia.
Peeping Tom. He’s not running to feed you trolls any more chow than you already have.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:47 am
If we don’t agree with everything the Cons put out – lies, truth, whatever – we aren’t interested/concerned voters?
We are TROLLS?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
9:48 am
Finn, there is a difference between an objective and accurate assessment of Ryan’s Plan, and a op-ed piece in Salon.com, a site populated with fawning sycophants of this administration.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:49 am
If we can be called trolls can we come up with a word for those calling us trolls?
Maybe “toe jam intelligentsia”?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
9:51 am
Ok, tell us which part of that post is completely false and an utter lie?
I’ll give you until September 1. Is that long enough? You can’t do it.
Yeah, Salon is evil cause they don’t buy the Ryan crapola? Maybe they are just intelligent?? I know Cons don’t like intelligent humans either – they confuse their base with facts.
mwuahahahahahaha
Robert
August 13th, 2012
9:51 am
The American People (elderly, minorities, gays & lesbians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) are sick and tired of homegrown terrorisim displayed by the “tea party” (klanmen, skinheads, militia’s, birthers, etc.). Mr. Romney conceded defeat in 2012 when he choose Ryan as his running mate. Mr. Romney is gambling if he thinks the American People will embrace the entire right wing platform which is ridiculous and absurd. Hopefully the GOP will re-focus their strategy by recruiting moderate republicans willing to comprimise for the best interest of the USA. The best thing to happen to the GOP is getting rid of all the extremist in the GOP in 2012 with hope of winning the White House in 2016..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
9:59 am
“Ok, tell us which part of that post is completely false and an utter lie?”
Too easy, Finn. As with most things political, people use those facts which support their view, while conveniently omitting those that don’t. (See: Bookman, Jay)
With the salon.com piece, one significant item they omit are reforms in health care insurance built into the plan which would reduce the cost of purchasing health insurance for everyone, including seniors.
You see, things don’t happen in a vacuum, except in the mind of a liberal.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
10:01 am
“The American People (elderly, minorities, gays & lesbians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) are sick and tired of homegrown terrorisim displayed by the “tea party”
I don’t believe you are qualified or have been given permission to speak for “The American People”, Robert.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
10:03 am
Tiberius, there is nothing concrete about this:
reforms in health care insurance built into the plan which would reduce the cost of purchasing health insurance for everyone, including seniors
Pure speculation.
Ayn Rand was right
August 13th, 2012
10:14 am
If you go back to 2007, even the most liberal on this blog can see that O is not a fortune teller. He completely miss-read the future that he was about to “inherit”. What now makes you believe that he can tell what the next 4 years will bring? He had 3 years, by his own words, to get it right, he hasn’t. Maybe it is his policy, his processes or just bad luck, but either way, he claimed the buck stopped with him, and he failed to right the ship. Time to give someone else a chance.
Robert
August 13th, 2012
10:14 am
@Tiberius – Only in the deep, deep, south do you hear support for extremist such as the “tea party” whose weapons of choice are hatred, fear and rage/mob mentality against the American People. What side are you on? The American People? or the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party”? It is time to choose sides.
Ayn Rand was right
August 13th, 2012
10:16 am
@ Robert – November is going to be a very sad month for you.
Ayn Rand was right
August 13th, 2012
10:19 am
The Tea Party is filled with people who believe the rights granted to Americans in the constitution are the sum and whole of the country. Maybe they are not 100% correct, but at least they can articulate their objectives. Lumping every narrow special interest group into the Tea Party is a juvenile way to argue your point, if you have one. If you would like to talk about home grown terrorists, let’s take a look at the Occupy Movement, shall we?
iggy
August 13th, 2012
10:20 am
Ryan is a very good man and will be a great asset to America. The best part is he will help in ridding the presidency of the incompetents, Biden/Obama.
JDW
August 13th, 2012
10:21 am
@Tiberius…”And yet, we have heard nothing like this, even in the harsh light of the Obamamedia.”
And you wouldn’t…IRS fines etc… are not public information.
“Peeping Tom. He’s not running to feed you trolls any more chow than you already have”
Robert
August 13th, 2012
10:21 am
@Ayan Rand – I am already celebrating President Obama’s landslide victory 2012. . When Romney picked Ryan he conceded defeat. That is a fact.
SlickRick
August 13th, 2012
10:23 am
Why I like that Kyle likes the Ryan pick: because Kyle woulda picked Newt. Go Newt! Go Kyle! Go Ryan!
Four more years? I think so. Me likey likey likey the hopey changy stuff.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
10:24 am
Once the “Romneyhood/Ryan will end medicare as we know it” ads start hitting the airwaves Obama will have the swing states as well.
mwuahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
Fred ™
August 13th, 2012
10:25 am
Is Kyle on vacation of have his right wing talk show host puppet masters just not given him his copy since Saturday?
SlickRick
August 13th, 2012
10:26 am
Romney lied; people died. Ryan lied; people cried.
Obama/Biden 2012
Fred ™
August 13th, 2012
10:27 am
Ayn Rand was right: Gotta love that name. Any Rand was right? I never knew that amped up meth ho said Crank kills.
Gotta love folks who name themselves after life long drug addicts. It gives them SO MUCH credibility……….
iggy
August 13th, 2012
10:27 am
The State of IA tilts Red.
The State of CO will be next.
One by one the “light blue” States will begin leaning Romneys way.
HA HA!
SlickRick
August 13th, 2012
10:27 am
Robme and lyin = McCain and Palin redux (without the lipstick)
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 13th, 2012
10:31 am
Palin vs Ryan = same pig, new lipstick
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
10:31 am
“What side are you on?”
The Constitution. Follow that and the American people can take care of themselves.
Robert
August 13th, 2012
10:40 am
@Ayn Rand – The “tea party” has been of the governments list on known terrorist group(s) for a long time. What branch of the tea party are you? Are you a klansmen or skinhead? Are you with a Militia Group who thinks it is OK to bear arms and bring them to Town Hall meetings? Are you a person claiming to be a “Birther” who disputes the President of the USA is not a citizen? Are you disguised as a normal grandma/pa hiding in plain site your racist points of views? Do you call yourself a “Christian” but practice hatred, fear and rage as your weapons of choice against people you do not like? Are you a member of the “tea party”?
JDW
August 13th, 2012
10:41 am
@Tiberius…”The Constitution”
Ahhh yes The Constitution as an excuse to harken to the “Good ole Days”…of course the point that the document was always intended to grow and change is missing from the repertoire of those that would take us back to the 19th century.
The Constitution is a tool to be used by those that wish to keep the vision of America current and relevant for each generation…not a device to limit progress and maintain the status quo as those of the Right would have us believe.
Robert
August 13th, 2012
10:45 am
@Tiberius – If you ever read the “Constitution” it says “We The People” and “All Men Are Created Equal”. The American People.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
10:46 am
JDW, freedom is not a 18th century concept. Nor is individual responsibility. Nor is equality of treatment (not of outcome) Limited government is not a 18th century concept.
In short, there is nothing in the U.S Constitution that doesn’t apply to the 21st century.
CDC
August 13th, 2012
10:47 am
Ayn Rand ended up on Social Security and Medicare when she was diagnosed with lung cancer after smoking for all those years. How hypocritical. And how typical. If Paul Ryan truly believed in hat he preaches, he would not be taking taxpayer funded medical insurance for the rest of his life. He would buy his own insurance and gambling preexisting conditions like the rest of us.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
10:51 am
“If you ever read the “Constitution” it says “We The People” and “All Men Are Created Equal”.
Then you have obviously never read the U.S. Constitution, Robert, as the phrase “all men are created equal” doesn’t appear in the text of that document.
I think you might mean the Declaration if Independence for that phrase, son. Oops!
SlickRick
August 13th, 2012
10:52 am
I suspect Tiberius wouldn’t know his constitution from The Constitution. In point of fact, it’s constipating just thinking about it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
10:54 am
CDC, please explain why someone should not use Social Security or Medicare when their pay is taken from them without any recourse for that expressed purpose?
Do you libs even bother to think before you post?
SlickRick
August 13th, 2012
10:55 am
Wrong you are, Tiberius – the Bill of Rights are ten amendments added to (AND MADE A PART OF) the Constitution. Violating the Bill of Rights is UNconstitutional.
Please try again.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
10:57 am
Slick Rick, you’d be reduced to a puddle of tears of despair if you engaged me in a debate on the U.S. Constitution and the Founding Fathers.
You’re not even remotely qualified.
TRUTH
August 13th, 2012
10:58 am
Romney/Ryan…..Mutt and Jeff….. or better… Pinky and The Brain…..
This is gonna be material for comedians for years!!! Que Lewis Black…..
OBAMA 2012
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
10:59 am
Slick Rick, perhaps you might provide a bit more specificity regarding where, specifically, I am wrong on something?
SlickRick
August 13th, 2012
11:00 am
Tiberius – Correct you are, this time on the puddle of tears I’d be in from debating the constitution with you; I’m certain it will be one of the most hilarious experiences of my life. (I think you might be correct on the despair as well, given how prevalent ignorant, know-nothing blowhards such as yourself are becoming in modern ‘Merica).
SlickRick
August 13th, 2012
11:01 am
Here ya go, Tiberius; you couldn’t be more wrong on this. A direct quote:
““If you ever read the “Constitution” it says “We The People” and “All Men Are Created Equal”.
Then you have obviously never read the U.S. Constitution, Robert, as the phrase “all men are created equal” doesn’t appear in the text of that document.
I think you might mean the Declaration if Independence for that phrase, son. Oops!”
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
August 13th, 2012
11:07 am
All of the Ayn Rand critics should read “We the LIving”, her autobiographical novel, to see why she was so fervent in her beliefs. She and her family suffered greatly at the hands of the Marxists; that same treatment would have produced the same anti-socialism sentiment in most of you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 13th, 2012
11:11 am
Slick Rick, you still have not pointed out where I was wrong. The phrase “all men are created equal” does NOT appear in the U.S. Constitution.
Nor in the Bill of Rights.
Step up your game, son.
saywhat?
August 13th, 2012
6:25 pm
I like the Ryan pick because he sucks. Four more years of President Obama, guaranteed.
Archibald Leach
August 13th, 2012
10:05 pm
Yay! more defense spending! Yay! more trickle down economics! Yay! lets cut food stamps, infrastructure, education, medicare, medicaid, and social security! Yay for Ayn Rand!