‘Somebody else’ and Obama’s concept of how the world works
A pair of four-word phrases are proving unshakable for the Obama campaign.
The first is a line Obama actually spoke last month in Virginia: “You didn’t build that.” The second is the implication in a new advertisement by Obama’s super PAC that attacks Mitt Romney’s corporate past: Romney killed a lady.
Taken together, they reflect the president’s apparent belief that the good things as well as the bad things in our lives — success and failure, joy and tragedy, growth and death — are the products of forces beyond our control that only government can bring to heel. Unless you’re rich, in which case you didn’t do the good things in your life, just the bad things in others’.
“You didn’t build that” has been making the rounds for weeks now. The full line — “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that” — came amid a laundry list of ways in which, according to Obama, the successful should play down their own success. It wasn’t because you were smart or hard-working; Obama said “a lot of smart people,” a “whole bunch of hard-working people” weren’t so rewarded. Chalk it up to “a great teacher … this unbelievable American system … roads and bridges … government research [that] created the Internet.”
In short: “Somebody else made that happen.”
The speech resonated with the public, but not the way Obama intended. It resonated negatively, and not because successful people don’t acknowledge those who helped them along the way. Of course they do.
It resonated negatively because Obama focused exclusively on the collective. No acknowledgments of the ways successful people differentiate themselves, much less the government-imposed obstacles many of them overcome. Just a brief nod to “individual initiative” while bowing to the greater number of things “we do … together.”
It resonated negatively with a public that has become accustomed to hearing Obama talk about success almost always in the passive voice: It happens to people “who’ve been most fortunate” and who “have been incredibly blessed.” By, one can only guess, “somebody else.”
The attack on Romney is fresher. It arose in a video ad by Obama’s super PAC, in which a man who once worked for a company bought by Romney’s Bain Capital essentially blames Romney for his wife’s death from cancer.
The man, Joe Soptic, worked for GST Steel in Kansas City, which Bain bought in 1993. In 1999, Romney left Bain. In 2001, GST Steel closed its doors and Soptic lost his job and his health insurance. “A short time ater that,” Soptic says in the video, his wife was diagnosed with late-stage cancer. She died within weeks.
It’s a tragic story, but the ad omits a few details. First, that Soptic’s wife still had a job and health insurance until 2002 or 2003. Second, that her diagnosis and death were in 2006, five years after Soptic lost his job.
Amazingly, the ad isn’t even an attempt to justify Obamacare. It’s just a crude attempt to put blood on Romney’s hands.
Although an Obama spokeswoman initially denied knowing Soptic’s story, claiming the campaign is insulated from the super PAC, a recording of a conference call from this spring reveals the very same spokeswoman talking with Soptic about his story. The Obama campaign has also run its own ad with Soptic, depicting him wearing the very same shirt (see photos on left).
But maybe we shouldn’t blame her or the campaign for that little fib. After all, in Obama’s America, only the super-successful could be responsible for something bad. Somebody else, I’m sure, made that happen.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
August 10th, 2012
6:37 pm
When you can not run on your record, this is what you get.
F. Sinkwich
August 10th, 2012
6:39 pm
I just heard Romney was the one who killed Jon Benet.
Them Mormons like to do that stuff, doncha know…..
Beyond the Middle of the Road
August 10th, 2012
7:04 pm
I’m not all that impressed with the two commercials above. But as for how Obama’s “You didn’t build that” line has gone viral, it’s mainly because most folks never got to hear the entire speech. In context it really speaks to how great it is to be an American. Jon Stewart probably rebuffed this best, and Fox News perverted it the worst.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/jon-stewart-you-didnt-build-that_n_1705264.html
Pluto Animus
August 10th, 2012
7:08 pm
Romney will lose, thank heavens.
Myth Robme Is All Tangled Up In Blue
August 10th, 2012
7:10 pm
RECENT POLL
Barack Obama to be re-elected President in 2012 59.1%
Mitt Romney to be elected President in 2012 38.1%
POLLS
REUTERS
Obama 49%
Robme 42%
CNN
Obama 52%
Robme 45%
FOX
Obama 49%
Robme 40%
Beyond the Middle of the Road
August 10th, 2012
7:13 pm
And regarding the otherwise heavily slanted commercials, the best part was the response by Mitt Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul. Saul said on Fox News that if the Soptics had lived in Massachusetts, they wouldn’t have lost their health insurance. “To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney’s healthcare plan, they would have had healthcare,” Nothing wrong with the statement, but it was amusing to see and hear the conservative backlash. Apparently reminding folks that Romneycare and by the transitive property Obamacare would actually help people and save lives is a taboo topic.
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August 10th, 2012
7:19 pm
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TRUTH
August 10th, 2012
7:20 pm
Thank you, Beyond for pointing out the fact that the statement was completely pulled out of context. I’m surprised you didn’t research that, Kyle. What’s worst is it’s pretty obvious!!!
As for the death of Ms. Soptic, tragic. Now to attack the reasoning you righties are yapping about. There STILL is no proof to refute that Mitt was not serving as CEO of Bain. Plenty of documents, required legal filing, et al., showing Mitt as the head of Bain. Therefore, Bain’s closing of the plant, knocked the Soptics of the healthcare plan which was what was serving the now deceased Ms. Soptic. The rationale most Americans get, that would be working and now unemployed Americans, the current healthcare system is stacked against the common American. If you are not receiving medical benefits from your employer, it is rare that an individual could afford healthcare on their own. Its cost prohibitive. It’s the Hope and Pray Healthcare plan, I hope and pray NO ONE or I get sick!! That’s the reality. And since mr. Soptic lost his job and along with it his benefits, and retirement benefits. Something that he and millions of other AMERICANS work for to support and provide for their families. All that American ingenuity, OUTSOURCED. So as a result of NO BENEFITS, how the heck were they to pay? Guess this is an argument for single payer, too.
That commercial was in context, and in real time.
Oh, the (former?) aid to Mitt stated that if this had occurred in Massachusetts, she would probably still be alive because of ROMNEYCARE!!!
So why are you GOP’ers trippin’? HEALTHCARE SINGLEPAYER IS A GOOD THING FOR EVERYONE!!! That alone seals the fate of your Presidential run this cycle….
OBAMA 2012
HRPufnstuf
August 10th, 2012
7:28 pm
Speaking of lies by the Obama administration, I “heard” that Harry Reid was seen kissing Barney Frank at a Chick Fil A. I “heard” that Harry Reid still beats his wife. I “heard” that Harry Reid not only didn’t pay taxes, but filed fraudulent returns, and got huge refunds for the last 10 years.
No, I’m not going to reveal my sources. It’s now up to Harry Reid to refute them.
Sound familiar, Harry?
Just saying..
August 10th, 2012
7:31 pm
Gee, if only the Democrats would play fair…
F. Sinkwich
August 10th, 2012
7:31 pm
TRUTH said Romney is a murderer.
Must be true given his moniker.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
7:43 pm
Greetings to all.
Thanks to TBS for the music dedication next door. It was JG’s birthday last week, and nice to see that he is still remembered fondly. A flawed person, for sure, but he brought a lot of joy to the world, more than most of us can say.
md
August 10th, 2012
7:49 pm
Well, to me the most damning comments on the Soptic saga are his own comments:
“JOE SOPTIC: Well, I guess the first thing I noticed after the company was bought out by GST, they became very union-non-friendly. I mean, they started looking for ways to eliminate jobs. In my case, in my department, they actually offered to buy our jobs out from underneath us.”
Isn’t that something……he obviously declined the buyout……and now it’s somebody else’s fault.
Sounds about right these days…..it’s always somebody else’s fault.
Myth Robme Is All Tangled Up In Blue
August 10th, 2012
7:50 pm
‘Somebody else’ said:
Barack vs. Romney polls: Obama dwarfs Mitt’s favorable rating.
The polls say Romney is “phony,” “caters to the rich,” and is “Republican.” Imagine that?
Mitt Romney has largely failed to connect with voters, who see him as a politician who flip-flops on issues and resorts to negative campaigning to get his message across.
This is how the world WORKS.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
7:53 pm
If josef stops by, I wanted to mention that I’ve been doing some more studying about the story of Job. Most likely it is a composite story composed between the 7th and 4th centuries BC, although it has antecedents from other traditions dating all the way back to the 11th century BC. It still remains fascinating to us all these years later due to its core theodical question: If God is both righteous and all-powerful, why does He allow good people to suffer??
Myth Robme Is All Tangled Up In Blue
August 10th, 2012
7:53 pm
Myth Robme’s concept of how the world works:
Caters to the rich.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
8:02 pm
One of the keys to understanding Job lies in the translation of a key phrase in Chapter 13, verse 15. which is traditionally rendered “”Though he kill me, yet I will trust in him”. Other Hebrew linguists have alternatively translated this passage to say “See, he will kill me, I have no hope.”, or “Yes, he may slay me; I shall not be quiet.”
Similarly, the New Oxford Annotated Bible renders chapter 19:25-26 as “I know that my redeemer lives, and that at the last he will stand upon the earth, and after my skin has been thus destroyed, then in my flesh I shall see God.” But, “redeemer” could also be translated as “vindicator”, “in my flesh” could read “without my flesh”, and the meaning of the traditionally translated Hebrew phrase “I shall see God” is uncertain.
Thus, in the end, the Story of Job raises more questions than it answers, which is perhaps how it should be.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
8:05 pm
A song for all the Wing-nuts here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-WXvGsb5Y
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
8:07 pm
Sounds about right these days…..it’s always somebody else’s fault.
md–I’m sure you’re taking full responsibility for not selling JASO when it hit $10. I tried to steer you that way, my friend.
I know, I know, you’re looking at the long-term………
getalife
August 10th, 2012
8:07 pm
Funny how corporate media said the same thing Kyle but even with corporate media, you are still going to lose.
corporate media took a dive for the gop and now they have no credibility.
The American people are smarter than that.
obozo
August 10th, 2012
8:11 pm
How can you tell if I’m lying?
My mouth is open, duh.
Myth Robme Is All Tangled Up In Blue
August 10th, 2012
8:14 pm
@Bruno
August 10th, 2012
7:53 pm
If God is both righteous and all-powerful, why does He allow good people to suffer??
_____________________________________________________________________________
God knows that there are hundreds of millions of people who, are in pain every day, be it physical, emotional, or mental. God sees the 800 million people who go to bed hungry every night, the millions of others who suffer from domestic violence, and the many parents who fret about the future and the welfare of their children. Have you ever wondered whether God will take action? Surely, since we want to help our loved ones, would not God want to help the human family, his creation?
God’s Kingdom will remedy any suffering we may have experienced
Scriptures That Point to a Bright Future
NO MORE WARS:
“Come, you people, behold the activities of Jehovah, how he has set astonishing events on the earth. He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth.”—Psalm 46:8, 9.
LOVED ONES RETURN:
“There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”—Acts 24:15.
FOOD FOR ALL:
“There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; on the top of the mountains there will be an overflow.”—Psalm 72:16.
SICKNESS WILL BE NO MORE:
“No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’”—Isaiah 33:24.
WICKED PEOPLE WILL BE GONE:
“As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.”—Proverbs 2:22.
JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL:
“Look! A king [Christ Jesus] will reign for righteousness itself; and as respects princes, they will rule as princes for justice itself.”—Isaiah 32:1.
md
August 10th, 2012
8:15 pm
“Something that he and millions of other AMERICANS work for to support and provide for their families. All that American ingenuity, OUTSOURCED.”
You are aware that it is those americans and their families that are buying the goods that are causing the outsourcing….right??
md
August 10th, 2012
8:19 pm
Bruno…..I’m not giving up on jaso, after all I’m a penny stock guy so it didn’t cost much to begin with. I’ll hold all my “pennys” until well into retirement and then see where they stand.
On another note, I did hit on human genome after reading up that Glaxo may have been looking to buy them………
The stock game is a win some lose some proposition…….but it keeps life interesting, and I might spend what the average Joe spends monthly on other various vices…….
getalife
August 10th, 2012
8:20 pm
Even with corporate media helping to sling that poo to see if something sticks, willie robme is the weakest candidate since dole.
willie can take over the viagra commercials but will never be President.
Four more years!
PlatinumBlack
August 10th, 2012
8:25 pm
New favorite song.
You show the lights that stop me turn to stone
You shine It when I’m alone
And so I tell myself that I’ll be strong
And dreaming when they’re gone
http://youtu.be/uqLGuRX_nLM
G Mare
August 10th, 2012
8:31 pm
Hi, Bruno. I highly recommend a book called WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE by Rabbi Kushner.
Get Real
August 10th, 2012
8:33 pm
I heard the entire speech and “you didn’t build that” is not that far off…”you were not smarter and you did not work harder”,the way he comes off it was pure luck, a roll of the dice that you were successful
A complete load of crap, when he gets off the teleprompter his true beliefs come to the surface and it is scary…
SheeshLouise
August 10th, 2012
8:37 pm
Oh well, I guess I have to…
“..somebody invested in ROADS and BRIDGES. If you got a business…THAT…you didn’t build that!”
But let’s not let the facts (and the context) get in the way. So let’s just all pretend it wasn’t said that way can we? But then again, that 4 letter word makes ALL the difference in the world, which is of course why it is so important for Kyle and people on his side to EXCLUDE it. It helps to keep people stupid doing it that way. Go ahead Kyle, be BOLD. Be BRAVE, put the four letter word into your article to correct it. Or are you simply trying to protect yourself from a “plagiarism” claim by making it TOTALLY ACCURATE???
Here is the link to the video to remind everyone ( :47 point):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
obozo
August 10th, 2012
8:37 pm
There’s my boy getalife and, judging by the nonsense he spouts, he must be as high as a kite.
What do you say, get, let’s roll up the windows and go on a trip together.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
8:40 pm
Have you ever wondered whether God will take action? Surely, since we want to help our loved ones, would not God want to help the human family, his creation?
Myth–I think the deepest revelation of “God’s Ways” is found in his return question to Job after Job challenges God’s actions: “Where were you when I laid the foundation for the earth??” This passage can be understood in a few ways. First and foremost, it highlights the fact that we, as insignificant humans, are too small to understand the ways of the Creator. Yet, it doesn’t completely clarify God’s position in the world either. There appears to be some implication that suffering is an unavoidable part of the Creation, that it is inevitable. Yet, if God is truly omnipotent, He could simply change the rules of the game. On the other hand, if God is all-powerful and permits undeserved suffering, then He is not just.
Scriptures That Point to a Bright Future
And while I’m glad your obviously cut-n-pasted Scriptural response points toward a bright future for us all, it’s kind of hard to ignore a few hundred thousand years of suffering up til now.
BTW, in case Kyle thinks I’m going off-topic too quickly, I will respond by saying that the Story of Job is a very appropriate answer to this Joe Soptic farce backed by Obama. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. Obama and the Dems aren’t God, though they apparently think themselves as being God-like with their false promises that they will cure all of society’s ills if we will simply give them unlimited power.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
8:44 pm
Hi, Bruno. I highly recommend a book called WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE by Rabbi Kushner.
I’m fairly familiar with that book though I haven’t read it, GMare. Perhaps you would be kind enough to highlight some critical passages. Bible scholar Bart Ehrman wrote a similar book entitled “God’s Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question — Why We Suffer”. As the title implies, Mr. Ehrman isn’t satisfied that the Bible gives us a good answer to this eternal question.
There’s my boy getalife and, judging by the nonsense he spouts, he must be as high as a kite.
Jealousy will get you nowhere, obozo.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
8:44 pm
The you did not build that speech was pretty good.
wolf desperately trying to make Americans believe the ad said robme killed her over and over was the death of cnn.
md
August 10th, 2012
8:45 pm
“..somebody invested in ROADS and BRIDGES. If you got a business…THAT…you didn’t build that!””
And in the real world, some other guy started a business that paid for that first batch of roads……that is where the left seems to have a comprehension problem…..
The private sector generates the majority of all capital in this country……those businesses that were not the result of gov’t…….
getalife
August 10th, 2012
8:46 pm
obozo,
I only do prescribed drugs but thanks for the offer.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
8:48 pm
For my love:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ijH2EWI5g
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
8:49 pm
I only do prescribed drugs but thanks for the offer.
It’s no big secret that prescription drugs kick the ass of the illegal kind any day of the week, get.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
8:50 pm
The shocker this cycle was Reid owning robme on his taxes.
Then willie saying trust me when there is no trust for politicians.
It is not too late to run a con cons.
PlatinumBlack
August 10th, 2012
8:56 pm
For Bruno:
http://youtu.be/WLDArZ0LYqU
getalife
August 10th, 2012
8:57 pm
Bruno,
Not sure about that but I will take your word for it.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:00 pm
I guess it’s kind of obvious that PB and I are from completely different generations…..
For my love:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKXGVtXq8s
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:02 pm
md,
Yeah and they are paid by the government with your money.
You built that is what he was saying.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:03 pm
That is if you pay taxes so willie got upset because he does not pay taxes.
md
August 10th, 2012
9:04 pm
“Yeah and they are paid by the government with your money.”
Except my money was generated by the guy that paid me………..as was yours, by some guy that took the risk and opened his own business.
weetamoe
August 10th, 2012
9:05 pm
Those who keep saying that Obama’s Roanoke speech has been edited, distorted, or misinterpreted need to listen carefully to the entire speech.. His contempt for others is clear in his sneering charge that other people are smart, too, and other people work hard, too. He denigrates everyone who has struggled to be successful. He sounds jealous, spiteful, and vicious.
PlatinumBlack
August 10th, 2012
9:05 pm
I guess it’s kind of obvious that PB and I are from completely different generations…..
To my favorite old fart, my love, my Humbert Humbert, I dedicate this an Anderson Sisters song from the Lolita film soundtrack:
http://youtu.be/l7J4i8pNzbA
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:06 pm
After getting to know getalife, I swore off any prescription drugs in fear of roasting my brain like he did.
the red herring
August 10th, 2012
9:06 pm
hopefully the polls are being done inaccurately — if not the nation will fail over the next 3 to 5 yrs. we simply can’t continue down the road we are traveling. Socialism will not work and we can’t afford to keep paying people not to work and to allow illegals to come and stay while we feed, clothe, educate, and give them free healthcare. Regardless of obamacare the illegals are getting treated in emergency rooms, etc. The freebies have to stop and we must begin to run the country on a “work rather than freeload” basis again. If not we will fail as greece, spain, etc are failing. it’s happening but we will eventually get away from socialism as people will not want to live under it once they realize the trap they have fallen into.
Old timer
August 10th, 2012
9:08 pm
Romney needs to hire..Bortz, Cain, and Newt to help him run his campaign…his managers lack for sight and passion
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:12 pm
weetamoe–Good to see you hanging at Kyle’s. Someone tell josef next door to come on over along with Matti.
Some Luther for my baby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KraIB1z0aac&feature=related
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:14 pm
Romney needs to hire..Bortz, Cain, and Newt to help him run his campaign…his managers lack for sight and passion
Old Timer–I think that anyone could run a better campaign than Romney’s current staff……
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:15 pm
Alright, Reporter, time for some tunes from you……Let’s get this place rocking.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:16 pm
Good one I report,
I am on the low end now and saving the good stuff for when I need it later on in life.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:18 pm
Sure will be great when we don’t need that crummy Saudi oil anymore.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics–saudi-arabia-media-ignore-historic-olympic-games-of-women-athletes-sarah-attar-and-wojdan-shaherkani.html
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:21 pm
Judging from what you think of obozo, getalife, maybe you need to eat a few more of those pills.
Rocket your ass into the real world.
tomnsuwanee
August 10th, 2012
9:22 pm
Kyle, Thank you again for giving our local nutcases the chance to show just how illogical a peabrain can be when confronted with the true facts. I wonder how some of these people hold a job- maybe I am giving them too much credit !
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:22 pm
PB was wondering the other day how I recognized “Little Fugue in G” by Bach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9YF64svUFw
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:22 pm
No matter how high I get, it’ll never make me into a democrat, but it will make me laugh harder at them.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:26 pm
I report,
I think you bought the hype on our President.
He is just another politician and my expectation of him was just one hope.
I hoped he could save our country from the w disaster and he did.
Not Blind
August 10th, 2012
9:27 pm
Soptic, like all liberals, hasn’t a shred of self respect.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:28 pm
When I see the Harris Bank commercial where the dimwit kid trades his bike for a popsicle and then a big ass sign flashes does your kid know the value of money, I immediately think of you, getalife.
j/k
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:29 pm
Even freakin Spike Lee is on my side now.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:30 pm
I feel a big Styx roll coming on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnVV9OhRfCw
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:31 pm
I report,
When I see a bank commercial, I think of bailouts.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:33 pm
I’ve been saying it for a while now. This next election will determine our moral character for the next 20 years. Work or welfare. Pride in ourselves or eternal whining. So sad to see so many choosing whining.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:33 pm
How much more obvious could it be that God didn’t intend this life to be a picnic but rather a trial to see if you were willing to follow his Word and enter into the kingdom of Heaven, regardless of your circumstances.
Stewing in envy and self righteous anger means that you didn’t.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:34 pm
For my buddy getalife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b-i0XknSnM
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:35 pm
Bruno,
The welfare numbers jumped because we lost 9 million jobs.
They were bad before the collapse and worse now.
How do you cons ignore the collapse like it never happened.
Is there a pill for that?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:36 pm
getalife – Don’t look now but obozo just bailed out another Megabank.
Can you say VA IRRRL?
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
9:36 pm
Bruno,
As usual, you lke to make things complicated so you can figure them out. I make things simple and clear as I can and then figure them out.
The story of the first garden with Adam and Eve tells us that they broke the rules God had given them (don’t eat the apple). They lived but had hard rules to face. Among their losses was eternal life and an easy life before death..
When I wrote a play drawn from the book of Job, the first situation was a talk between Satan and God. God said Job was a good man who would never stop loving and obeying him. Satan said that God just liked Job and Job was just as weak as everybody else. So God offered to put Job to a test.
Thus began the trials of Job, everything from loss of family, health, and all that he owned. Job’s wife and friends told him he had sinned and God was punishing him. But Job would not turn away from God because of all his difficulties. God & Job had great arguments in Job’s distress but Job remained faithful.
Just as God had known, Job never lost his faith in the Almighty and the Devil lost his argument. Job acquired all that he had lost and lived to be a rich old man.
Now that’s the simple version without all the intricate details and the beautiful language. For me, that helps with the understanding. I”m sure it is not enough for you.
As to my “play”. it was an exercise by non-actors in which I hoped to get them interested in a closer study of Job. It was kinda fun in a casual atmosphere. I hope you get great understanding in your study. Reading Job in the Bible gives you the best approach. The pure words are better to follow than someone’s book.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:37 pm
I report,
Stewing in hate and discrimination will not get you there too.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:38 pm
Oh, and he’s just itching to buy up the entire Student Loan Debt Monster but even China doesn’t have that much money.
G Mare
August 10th, 2012
9:38 pm
Bruno, it has been years since I’ve read it, but the Rabbi wrote it in an attempt to deal with the death of his young son. He talks about how to face the evils that befall us without losing faith in God – the “why me” questions. I thought of the book because of your post about Job’s travails, which I found very interesting. I knew there had to be more to that story than what I read in the bible. I remember thinking, “Seriously?” Anyway, do read it; I used to keep several copies on hand to give to friends in need & I recommended it to Midori when she lost her daughter. If you do read it, I hope you will let me know what you think. I mostly hang out at Jay’s but will check back here. Hmmm, what has to happen for Kyle to give you my email address?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:39 pm
getalife – I do not hate slackers, moochers, deadbeats and the like, I simply wish they’d get a job.
You know, produce something.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:40 pm
I report,
The only ones they are still bailing out are the gse’s.
Fannie and Freddie.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:42 pm
I report,
I agree but we do not have the jobs for people that want to work.
Another term will recover the jobs w lost but we are still behind.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:42 pm
While I compose my answer to Dusty, here’s a special song for GMare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXf2PbEPQ-Y&feature=related
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 10th, 2012
9:44 pm
To support Obozo is to live a lie, and to hate your own country and the beliefs, values, and mores that made it great.
Don’t be a loser.
Vote American.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:45 pm
I report,
No, they passed the cheaper interest rate to stay but no student bailouts.
One of the few thins the do nothing congress did.
They did spend another 642 billlion on defense.
What happened to the tea party and cutting spending?
Did they surrender?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:46 pm
getalife- You need to look beyond the CNNBabble, obozo’s handing over huge sums of money to the Megabanks by setting all the underwater mortgages back to a 30 year term with a slightly lower interest rate.
Huge sums of money.
Why do you think the stock market soars?
G Mare
August 10th, 2012
9:46 pm
Aw, I couldn’t load it, Bruno. Tell me the name & maybe I remember or can find it elsewhere.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fPQC4eRJuk&feature=related
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:48 pm
I heard willie latest attack was he was demeaning the office.
I think you cons should start showing our President some respect before he says that.
You called him every name in the book. Even cried about his birth certificate.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:49 pm
getalife- The biggest challenge for US employers? Make their empty job positions more appealing than the food stamp racket.
Why would anybody work when they can lay in the bed and get paid by obozo?
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:51 pm
That is funny I report.
The mortgage giant President Obama.
Is Morgan Freeman going to narrate the commercials?
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:52 pm
“Why would anybody work when they can lay in the bed and get paid by obozo?”
To make more money.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
9:52 pm
Now that’s the simple version without all the intricate details and the beautiful language. For me, that helps with the understanding. I”m sure it is not enough for you.
Sister Dusty–You know me too well, and I know you too well.
The story of the first garden with Adam and Eve tells us that they broke the rules God had given them (don’t eat the apple). They lived but had hard rules to face. Among their losses was eternal life and an easy life before death.
Though the story of Adam and Eve is traditionally presented as story of something lost , I prefer to see it as a story of something gained . In a nutshell, God made us in his own image. As such, it was preordained that we share the power of moral discernment with the Creator, i.e. the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Otherwise, we would be no different from a squirrel, which acts strictly upon instinct. Of course, such Knowledge comes with consequences, such as the awareness of our nakedness, of our own mortality. But, the most important point is that the eating of the fruit was pre-ordained. It wasn’t a mistake.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
9:54 pm
As a Cub fan, a big hat tip to Paul Maholm on his complete game shutout, tonight. Glad to see him doing well.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:54 pm
I was surprised the gop extended unemployment for so long.
I think they felt guilty after losing all those high paying jobs.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 10th, 2012
9:56 pm
140 million jobs when Our President Bush took office.
142 million jobs when Obozo took office.
141 million jobs now.
Our President Bush: Superior to Obozo on job creation.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
9:56 pm
Hillbilly D,
A Cubs fan?
Why the Cubs?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
9:57 pm
The signature federal refinancing effort, the Home Affordable Refinancing Program, has helped about 150,000 borrowers with negative equity obtain lower interest rates and lower monthly payments since the beginning of the year, according to data released Tuesday by the Federal Housing Finance Agency.
Yep and they start all over again at 30 years. Does anybody here know what amortization means?
RC--apoi
August 10th, 2012
9:58 pm
Well, I give up trying to figure out the story of Job a long time ago. I’m more concerned with other mysteries. Like, why are PB and Bruno texting each other? Why ain’t they in the same room getting it on? These are the mysteries that drive me nuts. Heck, I could understand them not getting it on if they was married to each other, but not now.
And with that I’ll just sign off and remind everybody to go to church in the morning. It’ll free you up from all that sin you been piling up all week and give you a fresh start.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
10:00 pm
Look at this psychobabble-
The administration was pinning its hopes for helping those deepest underwater on Edward J. DeMarco, acting director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Treasury department offered to cover a portion of the cost if FHFA would allow the two government-sponsored enterprises to cut the debt on loans they own or guarantee.
The Treasury funds FHFA, Fannie and Freddie.
You see why we are 17 Trillion in debt?
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:00 pm
getalife
I started following them when Jody Davis was playing there. He’s from Gainesville, GA.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:01 pm
Tomorrow’s Saturday ain’t it?
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:03 pm
God said Job was a good man who would never stop loving and obeying him. Satan said that God just liked Job and Job was just as weak as everybody else. So God offered to put Job to a test.
Technically speaking, Dusty, the “test of faith” is not God’s idea, it is “Ha-satan’s” idea, the “Accuser’s” idea. God simply gives permission for “The Accuser” to test Job. A subtle, yet important point. By the middle of the Book, however, the focus changes significantly from the testing of Job by Satan to a questioning of the reason and justification of evil by Job. IMO, this is what makes the Story of Job so fascinating. Just as interestingly, the Buddhist concept of karma figures prominently in the story as well, with Job’s friends theorizing that Job or his children must have sinned to bring such a terrible fate to themselves. In other words, they take Job’s suffering as evidence that he must be guilty of some kind of sin since God only punishes the sinful.
Job acquired all that he had lost and lived to be a rich old man.
Not so sure I completely agree with you here, Dusty. Can one’s dead children ever truly be “replaced”?? I still don’t see the story as simply as you do…..
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
10:03 pm
Bruno,
You may very well be right on the next election. It could set us on a dangerous path towards Greece-like socialism, or it could free us up and slowly get us back toward individual self reliance and limited govt.
RC--apoi
August 10th, 2012
10:03 pm
Tomorrow’s Saturday ain’t it?
Dang! Lost another day! I got to give up this stuff and start drinking Co-Cola.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
10:05 pm
Hillbilly,
Yes. Tomorrow is Saturday which is the Sabbath of course.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:06 pm
Tomorrow’s Saturday ain’t it?
You mean, it isn’t Sunday?? Ooops, need to save the sermons for later, then……
I’ve been preaching all night looking for you, HD. Somehow, I think you share Dusty’s and Reporter’s viewpoint that it’s all pretty simple. I must be the only one trying to make it so complicated………
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxN1lECjHAc
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:07 pm
Hillbilly D,
I was wondering because of your roots in Georgia but that explains it.
RC been drinking that swill he pushes again.
Tomorrow is Saturday.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:07 pm
Aw, I couldn’t load it, Bruno. Tell me the name & maybe I remember or can find it elsewhere.
I dedicated “Show Me the Way” by Styx to you.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:08 pm
Bruno,
Are you studying theology for the meaning of life ?
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
10:10 pm
Did Mitt close down a shirt factory and retail store so old Joe could only acquire one shirt? I wonder how much being a union stooge in commercials pays.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
10:10 pm
Bruno- Exactly. Don’t ask the fellow sinner, ask the Lord.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:11 pm
Back at ya, HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhcJWQmKVGk&feature=related
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:13 pm
Somehow, I think you share Dusty’s and Reporter’s viewpoint that it’s all pretty simple.
Since you asked, I think it’s complicated; too complicated for mortal minds to comprehend. So I trust in Him to show where I need to go and to look out for me, when I don’t have sense enough to do it myself. As much as humans like to think they’re in control, they’re not and sooner or later, we all get to see that first hand. It’s actually kind of liberating when it happens.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
10:14 pm
RW,
I wanted to be sympathetic to the man for having lost his wife. But that was 6 years ago and 5 years after he left Bain. So its pretty obvious this man had no problem going before a camera and just telling a huge, bald faced effing lie. Hard to sympathize with that.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:15 pm
RW,
Old Joe ?
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:16 pm
Oh, the ad.
Forgot about the topic.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
10:16 pm
Even the Bible simplifies it for you-
Deuteronomy 30:11-20
New International Version (NIV)
The Offer of Life or Death
11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
He who seeks shall find.
G Mare
August 10th, 2012
10:17 pm
Found the lyrics. Thanks, Bruno.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:18 pm
Yes. Tomorrow is Saturday which is the Sabbath of course.
Whenever I think of Doom and Sabbath in the same thought, this comes to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtqy4DTHGqg
Doom–Please tell josef to come on by.
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
10:19 pm
Forgot about the topic.
What kind of blog nanny forgets the topic? Just kidding getalife, I guess I forgot you share something else with Joe.
barking frog
August 10th, 2012
10:20 pm
Nothing is simple. Simply
nothing. Believe in nothing
and live simply live.
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
10:20 pm
That’s just it, BRUNO
You get to piddling with the details such as who instigated the testing of Job. The whole story was one of strong faith and explained in great detail. Also, the Buddist had nothing on the story of Job that Job’s friends did not exemplify. The “friends” & wife consistently told Job he was being punished for sin when he said steadfastly that he had not sinned. So the Buddist, like everyone else, decided this HAD to be punishment. Even trying to implicate Job’s children but this was not a story of Job’s children but Job alone.
But that goes to prove the point of faith. JOb KNEW he had not sinned and did not understand his suffering but he knew it could not be punishment. So he did not lose his faith in God even if he did not understand.
As to replacement, I believe replace means to put in place what has been removed. It does not signify whether by happiness or unhappiness. It just means Job had a family once again.
I”m afraid you are looking for “loopholes” to justify your lack of belief. But faith means belief beyond our understanding. As you well know, it takes a strong faith to overcome the “loopholes” and tragedies of life. Job had it.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:22 pm
The only ads they ran down here so far is the one with robme singing (hate that one) and the positive one with our President saying we have a choice to make. I like that one.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:22 pm
Are you studying theology for the meaning of life ?
Lay it on us, get. You’ve seen the other side already.
Since you asked, I think it’s complicated; too complicated for mortal minds to comprehend. So I trust in Him to show where I need to go and to look out for me, when I don’t have sense enough to do it myself.
Actually, HD, I was being a bit tongue in cheek. Still waters run deep.
Out of curiosity, how are we supposed to tell when it’s the other guy whispering in our ears, the Evil One??
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:24 pm
Wassup Bruno?
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:25 pm
RW,
I broke the rules because we are supposed to opine on the subject.
My bad.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:25 pm
Just for you Bruno. Don’t follow the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeCczUfCcsU
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
10:25 pm
getalife,
I like the “you have a choice ad” too. A Steelers Wheel song that I’m sure one of the youtube zombies can find comes to mind.
barking frog
August 10th, 2012
10:27 pm
getalife
stay away from the sinkhole.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
10:28 pm
Bruno,
I’ll let him josef know- matter of fact I’ll check now to see if he’s on and let him know every time I see him to give you a shout out if you’re on at the same time. Nowadays he’s back in school of course so we don’t see him till 4ish.
Nice one with Oscar Osbourne and the gang. Doomy do like his metal he do. But here’s one that may be even more poignant seeing as how we’re discussing the real Sabbath day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkYCAnDmb2g
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:28 pm
The steel guitar break in this, between the 4:00 and 5:00 mark is as good as it gets. None of the Nashville A-listers had a thing on Toy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQqXxW470KM
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:28 pm
HillbillyD you still here? You asked a question right before Kyle pulled the plug a week or so ago and then I went on vacation so I never saw the answer.
Who WAS the last Georgia Governor that didn’t increase their wealth while in office? I guessed Zig Zag Zell,…………..
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:29 pm
Alright, Fred’s in the house. Now the real party can start…..
But faith means belief beyond our understanding.
Dusty–I may surprise you one day with my true beliefs……
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:30 pm
Bruno,
The meaning of life is what you want it to mean. It is all about choices you make in your life.
I am not a big believer and don’t do organized religion but have no problem with any religion.
I think religion is great to pull people out of the dark ages but don’t like the killing in the name of religion. That has to be the ultimate sin.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:30 pm
Fred
Ol’ Zell did quite well for himself; remember “Shirley’s little bank”?
Carl Sanders and George Dekle Busbee probably made out the best.
The answer is ……..Lester Maddox. He left office with a lower net worth than he went in with.
barking frog
August 10th, 2012
10:31 pm
It is a great time to be in the
t.v. business. Lie or truth
the media gets paid the
same and are free from
blame.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:31 pm
HillbillyD: My fav MTB song may be this one……. played it in one of the first bands I ever played in. I used my keys for the flute lead at the beginning (synthesizer) and then just jammed the hell out of the piano for the rest with the synth again on the organ parts…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXQycyN_Vs
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
10:33 pm
RW
R U here? I hope you stay right through the week and quit running off. Besides, these “crazy” people want to play music all the time and I might have to ask you to play…..ready…..the Viking Kitties!! That’ll teach ‘em.
Did you notice the Braves won again tonight? Love those fellows!
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:33 pm
Heck yeah Bruno, let’s start the party with this classic……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8
LMFAO………
PlatinumBlack
August 10th, 2012
10:34 pm
Heard it was rockin’ in here. Have to throw in a bit of Jim for my babe:
C’mon c’mon c’mon c’mon c’mon c’mon:
http://youtu.be/PECk9A-07Pw
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:35 pm
Out of curiosity, how are we supposed to tell when it’s the other guy whispering in our ears, the Evil One??
You have to ask Him for help with that one. If one asks for it, one will get it. Satan is treacherous and knows we’re easily fooled. He knows the weaknesses of each and every one of us. We need help to fight that but it’s there if we’re open to it.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:35 pm
frog,
They will not let you near that thing because it reeks of butane.
When you see bubbles in the bayou, it is probably a gator or a good place to drill natural gas.
The drillers are going to dive in that sinkhole to see what it is. It will take 40 days and the people that are evacuated said hurry up so they can come home.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:36 pm
A song just for Dusty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pHtqkoMR-k
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:37 pm
Fred
There’s not hardly a bad Marshall Tucker song and many a great one. Of course, Patti Smith is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and they’re not. What a joke. Those guys were actual musicians. They dabbled in country, rock, blues, jazz, R&B, and western swing. They were easily the most versatile of the Southern rock bands, for my money.
barking frog
August 10th, 2012
10:38 pm
getalife
sounds like a mess.
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
10:38 pm
Bruno,
I’d love to hear your true beliefs. What is this you have been telling us? Bait for debate?
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:38 pm
When they wanted to play stone country, they could do that too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H67TJZMc4tI
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:39 pm
Enjoyed Rush @ 10:25, Fred.
Back at my baby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EapcVSB7U4U
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:40 pm
So is Platinum Black the female friend of yours Bruno? I think I heard rumors to that effect……. if so PB here’s a song for you…… pretty little girl with the red dress on……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pHtqkoMR-k
I get to know you better and I’ll post the BEST Doors tune for you lol.
Old Timer
August 10th, 2012
10:40 pm
When you go to the polls in Novermber, ask yourself–Am I better off now than I was four years ago? Answers from those on Obama’s new nearly permanent entitlement benefits do not count.. The curent TV attack ad’s by Obama’s campaign or sickening. Show no class and are like juvenile gutter talk.
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
10:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pHtqkoMR-k
Hi Dusty,
The Braves were great tonight and I’d love to be around here more often, but if I understand the rules they severely restrict when you can and can’t post so it’s kind of pointless to bother with trying to figure out when comments are allowed.
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
10:41 pm
Hillbilly D,
I miss Zell, Saw a piece the other day about his health problems and he really has them. But there were no doubts about his convictions.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:42 pm
Alright, we’ve got all the cool people over here tonight. We just passed the Bookman hit total for the night. Not that anyone’s counting or anything……
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:44 pm
if I understand the rules they severely restrict when you can and can’t post so it’s kind of pointless to bother with trying to figure out when comments are allowed.
RW–I think Kyle just banned some guy who was ruining it for everyone, and I think the night time blogging is open again.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:44 pm
HBD: Here’s another great Country rocker. And after this i’ll lay down a more “modern” one. LOL Modern in the sense that he was 20 years after MTB and Charlie Daniels……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs4y5si8DGs
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:44 pm
RW
Kyle usually puts us to bed around 7 weeknights but he usually lets us stay up late on the weekends. As long as folks behave, that is. Seems like every time he tries to let us stay up late during the week, the problem kids have to keep asking for water and stuff and ruin it for the good kids.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:47 pm
Fred
I saw Charlie at the DeKalb College Gym back in the mid 70’s. This was one of the highlights of what was an excellent show. One of the better shows I’ve ever seen, no matter the genre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guPG4DWXnRM
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
10:47 pm
Bruno,
Naw. I’m not counting either. Not at all. Wasn’t even curious.
I didn’t realize Kyle loosened it up after 7 pm. I guess he wanted to give a discussion topic for the weekend.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:47 pm
Old Timer
August 10th, 2012
10:40 pm
When you go to the polls in Novermber, ask yourself–Am I better off now than I was four years ago? Answers from those on Obama’s new nearly permanent entitlement benefits do not count.. The curent TV attack ad’s by Obama’s campaign or sickening. Show no class and are like juvenile gutter talk.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nice talk radio speak pal but I’ll play. 4 years ago my family income was right at $190000 a year. Today it’s over one quarter of a million dollars. That’s $250,000 in case you can’t figure that out. I payed less than 9% in income tax.
I’m missing your point. Do you even have one? Did Rush or Neal tell you what the point was supposed to be?
InAtl
August 10th, 2012
10:47 pm
Sheesh Louise says: “Oh well, I guess I have to…
“..somebody invested in ROADS and BRIDGES. If you got a business…THAT…you didn’t build that!”
What’s sad is that liberals like Louise don’t understand that when most people listen to the entire speech, they still get the same message from Obama that Kyle summarizes here. Obama thinks government is what makes America great, not American ingenuity and entrepreneurship.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
10:48 pm
Alright, alright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhwwCWkmYoc&feature=related
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:49 pm
Dusty
I wish Zell no ill will and am sorry he has health problems but most of the folks that I know, who’ve known him since his college days have a lower opinion of him, than you do. He’s always been as changeable as the wind. That’s how he got his nickname.
Sorry to spoil the mood, back to the fun.
InAtl
August 10th, 2012
10:50 pm
Fred, you’re very condescending, but I’m sure even you must realize that if what you’re saying is true, you’re the exception; not the rule. And BTW, it’s “paid – not “payed.” I guess income doesn’t equate to English skills.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:52 pm
I’ll play this one for Bruno
The girls on the harmony can really wail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kly8JiGjWfY&feature=relmfu
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
10:52 pm
So is Platinum Black the female friend of yours Bruno? I think I heard rumors to that effect…
She’s the one, Fred. A dream come true……
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:53 pm
HBD: Great tune. I had never heard that one before. Here is the one I promised earlier. You’ll have to wait for it though until I’m done listening to Caballo Diablo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk
@@
August 10th, 2012
10:53 pm
Bruno:
I’m gonna share one of the two epiphanies I’ve experienced in my lifetime.
My first was when I struggled to control all things…right all wrongs. The epiphany?
I was standing in front of a full length mirror with satan standing behind me. I needed to have a closer relationship with God. When I looked in the mirror, I saw what was standing in my way…between he and I. It was me…my reflection. Once I realized that, Satan was no longer behind me. God was in front of me, leading the way.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
10:54 pm
And then they went and they voted you
Least likely to succeed
I had to tell them baby you were armed with all you’d need
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbixKDRxIz0
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
10:54 pm
Old timer,
The economy is better off than 4 years ago 2008 which in which case we were in fact in a recession and bleeding jobs. Now if you ask is the economy doing better than 6-10 years ago then that’s a whole different story. In terms of unemployment and growth the empirical evidence is clear- we were better off during the W years except for the last 2 years when the recession hit.
jconservative
August 10th, 2012
10:54 pm
“The speech resonated with the public, but not the way Obama intended. It resonated negatively,”
Maybe with a minority but not with the majority.
Obama is still ahead in the realcclearpolitics poll average and in 10 of 12 “battleground” state polls. This is not the issue. And writing columns about it will not make it the issue. The “choir” agrees with Kyle, but the choir is only 47% of the vote.
.
The issue is Romney and his taxes and offshore millions in offshore bank accounts. And he keeps on keeping them secret. Until he releases the tax returns he is on track for a November defeat.
Today the election is about Romney and not about the Obama record. That in itself is a stunning development.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:55 pm
I report: That is without a doubt one of my FAVORITE Stones songs.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:55 pm
It is a combo deal.
During the great Clinton years, government invented the Internet and private companies invested.
Boom, a booming economy.
We did it before and can do it again.
Yes, we can.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
10:57 pm
InAtl
August 10th, 2012
10:50 pm
Fred, you’re very condescending, but I’m sure even you must realize that if what you’re saying is true, you’re the exception; not the rule. And BTW, it’s “paid – not “payed.” I guess income doesn’t equate to English skills.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There ya go. You found a typo so that makes you a God.
Really? Is THAT all you have?
What a dumb ass.
barking frog
August 10th, 2012
10:57 pm
getalife
Forward!
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
10:59 pm
The economy may be better some places and for some folks but it’s not gotten any better in my neck of the woods and probably isn’t going to, anytime soon.
Funny thing, though, those folks that were using the local banks as personal piggy banks for them and their developer buddies, oh they’ve taken a bit of a hit, but they’ve all still got their big houses and are driving their MB’s. The banks bellied up and a whole lot of the little people lost out. I guess that’s the way the world works.
Tall
August 10th, 2012
10:59 pm
…”Sometimes….I wish I didn’t care…..” Kevn Kinney
But I do….and it kills me…. It may be best if Obama does win. That consequences of that may finally lead to the implosion of the Democratic party once and for all.
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
11:00 pm
Well THANKS Fred and RW. for playing my old favorite.
For some reason, the Viking kitties look like they have been to battle. Kinda dark and pudgy. Don’t know what happened. I will have to find a new favorite….the Rasslin’ Raccoons or the Rhine River maidens or something.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
11:00 pm
This is a lib band but damned if they couldn’t hit it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcawnRIyeok
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:01 pm
@@,
Never saw the devil.
What does he or she look like?
PlatinumBlack
August 10th, 2012
11:03 pm
Don’t mean to be redundant, but Reporter inspired me. Have to put this version up, dedicated to my babe. I love me some Sundays:
http://youtu.be/u9lEd5bIbbQ
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:03 pm
frog,
I am bullish on America.
I think there are some good ole Clinton economies coming.
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:04 pm
Romney used to run a gay prostitution ring out Barney Frank’s basement. I know it’s true because Harry Reid’s friend called and told me it wass.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
11:05 pm
I’m also doing much better than I was 4 years ago. But that’s just anecdotal. Plus it was because I just chose not to participate in the recession- not anything that O or anyone else did for me and dang sure not because they built me a road.
Fred you gotta watch it with calling someone a DA. Kyle will yank you in a nanosecond.
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
11:05 pm
Seems like every time he tries to let us stay up late during the week, the problem kids have to keep asking for water and stuff and ruin it for the good kids.
HD,
The only way the “problem kids” on an open blog can be dealt with is the “good kids” possessing the ability to ignore them. Imposed “rules” by a host only feed to the “problem kids” and their ability to control the blog especially when the host lacks the resolve to actually enforce the supposed rules. Restricting hours is just a cop out.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:06 pm
Well Bruno, I can only link this song for you and you PB and hope it’s applicable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0iVE3Sw4E0&list=PLCDCDB62C7142D43C&index=13&feature=plpp_video
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
11:06 pm
JKL2,
I’m gonna have to steal that and use it next door some time if n you don’t mind.
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:07 pm
getalife- I think there are some good ole Clinton economies coming.
I didn’t know you were a Newt fan?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
11:07 pm
RW nails it!
Sox win!
Yes!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 10th, 2012
11:07 pm
White Sox, you punk Boston wnnabes
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
11:10 pm
Hillbilly .D.
I don’t doubt that Zell has his faults. But he surely could make a speech you could listen to.and not get bored. He didn’t make a bad governor as far as I could tell although I wasn’t too excited about the lottery. There must be a better way to find funds than gambling. I don’t like casinos either. Guess I’m just too stingy to have fun losing money.
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
11:12 pm
White Sox, you punk Boston wnnabes
Comunsky Field must be rocking….
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:12 pm
thulsa- I’m gonna have to steal that and use it next door some time if n you don’t mind.
No problem. Been thinking about running a line of “Reid’s friend” quotes like they were doing those Thomas Jefferson ones for a while.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:14 pm
Thanks for the song, HD.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:14 pm
jk,
It was the newt’s idea to shut down government and you lost then he decided to fight against a President after a collapse and will lose again.
I think the newt is a dem mole.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:15 pm
Fred you gotta watch it with calling someone a DA. Kyle will yank you in a nanosecond.
Thanks for the advise, but you know me. I mean really. I’ve been drinking since 2:00. First we went to The Grove and drank our way through the bronze medal round of the men’s olympic soccer (had 6 beers before I left home lol) and THEN we went to the Oasis where we drank up a $250 tab. And THEN some asshat wants to say some stupid crap because I typed payed instead of PAID? Really?
I thought I was kind and gentle in my response given the circumstances. I also am rather proud of my typing abilities since on top of all that I have had 6 beers since I got home.
As Doc Holiday said in that movie……. I have not yet begun to defile myself……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYVqzRvVapY
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:15 pm
Guess I’m just too stingy to have fun losing money.
I’m telling you, Dusty, you’d murder them on the crap table with your Scottish stinginess. No way you’re crapping out.
Any chance you have red hair?? A red-headed lady shooter never loses……
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:16 pm
Reid said he snitch is a republican.
It is the newt again.
PlatinumBlack
August 10th, 2012
11:17 pm
THEN we went to the Oasis
Isn’t that a strip club? I think I used to go there (not to work)…
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
11:18 pm
JKL2,
A running line of Reid quotes similar to the thomas Jefferson nonsense? Oh man would that be hilarious. I’m in.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:19 pm
RW
That’s a valid point. On every one of these blogs, though, it seems like only half the equation gets booted. The ones who egg the offender on, always seem to skate. But it’s not my house, so it ain’t up to me.
Dusty
There’s always one thing that’s stuck in my craw about Zell, back the first time he ran for Lt Gov (and this can be verified by looking at newspapers of the time), he said Lt Gov was a useless office and if elected, he’d have the office abolished. So what did he do? He spent 4 terms, 16 years in that office and building himself a springboard for higher office.
As far as gambling, I’m not going to partake in it but if they’re going to have it, I don’t think the government should be involved in it. It’ll always end up like the lottery, they’ll spend every dime they take in and if the income increases, they’ll find a way to spend every bit of the increase. But nothing lasts forever and sooner or later, the income goes down for whatever reason. Then they’re screwed and guess who pays for it.
They never read about the 7 years of plenty and the 7 years of famine, I reckon.
JKL2
Dude, you might want to change your phone number, if that’s the kind of calls you’re getting.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:19 pm
Y’all are upsetting Dusty with those Chicago teams.
Our President is a White Sox fan.
Lynnie Gal
August 10th, 2012
11:20 pm
Obama’s comments about “you didn’t make that all by yourself” was taken out of context and you know it, Kyle. Fact is–no one makes it entirely on his/her own and that’s a fact. Try and dispute that. People who think they “made it” all on their own are truly conceited. They have no gratitude.
As far as the Joe Soptic commercial, it is a fact that he lost his job because of Bain Capital, with Romney at the helm whether he denies that fact or not. The man lost his insurance. That’s devastating. His wife had insurance from her employer and then lost that. She died without insurance. That is a fact. That is also a shame because no American should be dependent on having a job that has insurance in order to get health care for a serious illness. Americans should be able to get treatment for serious things like having a heart attack or stroke, or getting cancer–all without losing their homes if the insurance company decides not to pay enough. It’s a sick mind and soul that wants to deny people health care and the ability to get affordable health insurance. Joe Soptic simply told how he feels about losing his job and health insurance and then losing his wife.
SheeshLouise
August 10th, 2012
11:20 pm
@md
When you get a chance, how about doing some RESEARCH on our Federal Interstate Highway System. Specifically, go right to the ‘Interstate Funding’ section and get your fill:
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/programadmin/interstate.cfm
Come back and talk to us all after you GET A CLUE! Thanks.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:21 pm
PB: Yes it IS a strip club. Not a place I would choose to go to, but my friend likes it so I find myself there more than I wish. Oh well, he enjoys it and I find it better than a sharp stick in the eye so it’s not a real problem especially since he pays. I paid for the Grove lol.
Are you a big Doors fan or did you just play that tune earlier because it fit the bill?
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
11:22 pm
“Obama’s comments about “you didn’t make that all by yourself” was taken out of context and you know it, Kyle.”
Um. No. They weren’t.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:22 pm
Oasis was next to Barnacle’s.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:23 pm
the thomas Jefferson nonsense?
That and “not intended to be a factual statement” have got to be two of the silliest things posted on these blogs.
Fred
If you must drink, don’t drink and blog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mv8LPtmro
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
11:24 pm
getalife
I think most of the Democrats in Washington are moles. Everytime the Senate has something on whcih to vote, they all go underground leaving ol’ Harry to whisper “We will not consider that at all.”
Nothing gets done and the Dems did it!! Yep, the DEMS did it.
Old Timer
August 10th, 2012
11:25 pm
Romney Will Announce His Running Mate at 9AM ET Saturday in Norfolk.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:26 pm
Dusty,
The do nothing gop house sent over their ideology.
That would never pass.
We could use a choice to dissolve congress when they hit 10% approval.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:27 pm
HillbillyD: You are hitting on some of my favorite bands tonight. The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys is one of my favorite albums. I was going to link the title track but i hadn’t heard the youtube version here and was too impatient to listen to it all before I posted. I’m going to link this one, listen to it AND the title track though…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR_kkOQJJpg
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:29 pm
But on a quick double take Hillbilly Deluxe, do you care for this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R82OM5tzcrk
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:29 pm
getalife- Our President is a White Sox fan
ROFLMAO!!!! He’s such s fan he couldn’t name a player he liked, past or present. He said he grew up in Hawaii, watched the cubs, and then after about a dozen Ummms, he came up with some nonsense about them being a blue collar team.
I doubt he even knows where Comiskey Park is…
PS: I do know it’s called the cell now.
SheeshLouise
August 10th, 2012
11:29 pm
…and @md
since you like to play SILLY LITTLE GAMES with this whole thing…
Where did the PAPER AND METAL CURRENCY come from that was able to be passed from your employer to you in exchange for your “work”? Oh.. okay…
PlatinumBlack
August 10th, 2012
11:30 pm
Are you a big Doors fan
huge. i connect with him somehow… some kind of narcissistic Namaste, i think.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:30 pm
Old Timer,
Good, sick of hearing the corporate media spew about it.
He will need another hail mary like palin.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:31 pm
This is one of my favorite songs. I tried to post it on Youtube a couple years ago and they took it down. Glad somebody got it through. I wonder how Mary’s doing these days……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53yXU114JyM
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:32 pm
Fred @ 11:29
Yeah, I like that one.
MarkV
August 10th, 2012
11:34 pm
Kyle continues to lie about what Obama said in a speech: ”The full line — “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that,” and then he dares to criticize a story by Obama’s super PAC? Does he have any shame?
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:34 pm
The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys is one of my favorite albums.
I can’t believe it, someone finally put my favorite song from that album up a few days ago. Only 78 views so far.
Here’s “Many A Mile To Freedom”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zxuq9cBzE
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
11:34 pm
Since the “roads and bridges” the government builds is what makes a business succeed why is it the business right next door to mine just failed?
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:36 pm
Like the groove in this one (low volume for some reason)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Dp2Z-CN_w
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:36 pm
Hillbilly @11:31: That was one of my favorite Albums lol. You really ARE in my head tonight. My favorite off that album was this song. (Damn you lol, I was goona do one for PB first but you posted that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3cgnnLKIsk
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:37 pm
getalife- We could use a choice to dissolve congress when they hit 10% approval.
Pelosi actually got it right when she said we needed to drain the swamp. She just missed the point that her butt ugly mug is right there at the top of the list.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
11:39 pm
RW,
To add to that point what a lot of people can’t seem to figure out when extolling the virtues of govt building a road is that govt didn’t really build that road. The taxes paid by the private sector to fund govt is what really built that road.
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
11:39 pm
getalife,
The Dem led Senate is the blockade, hon. But who needs a budget, something we don’t have in the USA. The president spends whatever and wherever he wants and forget the doggone $$$$ debt! I think he is going to hit 10% very soon. He’s almost to zero with me.
Go BRAVES. You can beat the SOX with one hand tied.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:41 pm
Madam Platinum Black: The Doors always appealed to my dark side which is massive. When I say that, I mean Mister Morrison of course. While it is tough to single out one song that is my “favorite” this one has always been at the top of the list just because the versatility it has…….. lyrics, music, vocals……. I really can’t think of many songs that can match it (Roger Waters did). I mean…. The Monk Bought Lunch? Really lol?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbpRlqqzSD4
SheeshLouise
August 10th, 2012
11:41 pm
@RW
As is said in “tha hood”
“You must be smoking that s**t?” I hope you are only being facetious with your last post. I would hope you have the ability to understand that the President was saying NO business operates in a vacuum, and that in order to become “successful” there are various factors that come into play, such as using the country’s infrastructure or other services in some form or fashion in order to get and stay going. Now, do you wanna to continue to lie to yourself about these things, or what?
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
11:42 pm
Bruno,
I do not have red hair. Not this week. But maybe I’ll try that next week
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:42 pm
“Go BRAVES. You can beat the SOX with one hand tied.”
See.
congress spends the money Dusty.
Our President can veto or sign the bill..
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:43 pm
HD–I’ve been wanting to play this song from the Doobie Bros for you for the longest.
“White Sun”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dTBTeoS0MA
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:43 pm
getalife- obama the White Sox fan
Listen to one of the greatest orators of our time: http://www.ihatethemedia.com/obama-not-white-sox-fan
It’s amaizing what the man can do when they turn off the teleprompter!
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:43 pm
I think no member of Congress should get another paycheck until they pass a budget. I bet that would get them off their collective fannies.
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:45 pm
Bruno
I haven’t heard that in years.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:46 pm
One more song I love from my college days. I’m sure other people have their own interpretation, but “Paper Sun” always makes me think of those little pieces of paper that take you out into the cosmos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cp_3NEWTzU
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
11:46 pm
Hillbilly D,
Better yet take away the paycheck until they balance the budget or at least put it on a fiscal trajectory to do so within 5 years.
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:47 pm
Dusty- The president spends whatever and wherever he wants and forget the doggone $$$$ debt!
Saul Alinsky taught him the only way to bring about the changes he wants would be to collapse the system. Spend us into oblivion and watch everything collapse like it did in Russia.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:47 pm
Hillbilly D ,
I agree, congress is a mess in need of reform.
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:48 pm
I would hope you have the ability to understand that the President was saying NO business operates in a vacuum, and that in order to become “successful” there are various factors that come into play, such as using the country’s infrastructure or other services in some form or fashion in order to get and stay going. Now, do you wanna to continue to lie to yourself about these things, or what?
SheeshLouise: F Obama.
RW-(the original)
August 10th, 2012
11:48 pm
I think no member of Congress should get another paycheck until they pass a budget. I bet that would get them off their collective fannies.
HD,
Congress consists of two houses. The one with 435 members has no problem passing a budget. The other 100 not so much
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:49 pm
Bruno,
Blotter acid will not help you study Religion.
You could not read the words.
SheeshLouise
August 10th, 2012
11:49 pm
So @Thulsa Doom
People who are self employed, or Public sector employees like teachers, firefighters, police officers and other law enforcement (FBI, CIA…MILITARY PERSONNEL) DID NOT pay for that same infrastructure??
You “must be smokin’ that s**t” too? Puff, puff, pass. You’re hitting it too hard. You people on the hard right are really delusional.. and I personally try hard not to make it a left vs. right thing. But, it’s just TOO obvious. You are totally LOCKED in to certain ideas, like the private sector is the only thing going in the country, that if someone believes ANYTHING to the contrary of you they are automatically a “lib”, all rich people are “job creators”, if someone is a Democrat they are an unemployed welfare recipient yada yada SheeshLouise!!!!! Has to be unhealthy for the brain chemistry.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:49 pm
Bruno: I wore out my copy of that album and got it on disc when they first did it back in 87 when I was in Germany. Someone (I know who) stole the disc and I haven’t found it since. Same with my Cat Stevens “Foreigner Suite” and Robert Palmer’s “Sneakin’ Sally Through the Alley.
At least I FINALLY found Palmer on youtube but Cat Stevens “Foreigner Suite was taken down. here is the first side of the Palmer. Save it and enjoy it when you have more time. And God bless the person who put it up……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnzytIbH1I
Dusty
August 10th, 2012
11:51 pm
Wellll….MarkV is back amongst us. How ya been? Still singing the same ol song I see.
Kyle does not lie. He gives his version of what he reads just like you do. His judgment is not clouded by hero worship like yours.
You don’t score any points by calling people “liar”.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:52 pm
Good grief, they could not even pass what they agree on.
Get the President is their priority.
SheeshLouise
August 10th, 2012
11:53 pm
@Bruno
I am no one else but me. I have nothing to gain by posting as someone else on the same blog thread, especially ones of more substance. That’s way too much trouble for me. Sorry.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:53 pm
Bruno: Here is a Doobie Brothers tune I think you will appreciate. It’s one of MY favorites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEvy8mROAj0
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:53 pm
Robert Palmer’s “Sneakin’ Sally Through the Alley.
Fred–I think I’m a bit older than you, but we used to listen to “Sneaking Sally” back in college.
That, along with a lot of King Crimson and Hendrix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgUZfb5AX8E
Hillbilly D
August 10th, 2012
11:54 pm
Congress consists of two houses. The one with 435 members has no problem passing a budget. The other 100 not so much
True but if 100 people are holding up 435 people’s paychecks, something might get done.
JKL2
August 10th, 2012
11:54 pm
Thusla- Better yet take away the paycheck until they balance the budget or at least put it on a fiscal trajectory to do so within 5 years
Hear, hear! Paul Ryan tries to cut $80 Billion out of over $2T and the Demwits were screaming bloody hell about how the Republicans were trying to kill old folks and starve children.
By definition, the Democratic party is about as Conservative as you can get because they fight like hell to do nothing.
Fred ™
August 10th, 2012
11:56 pm
Later Bruno , PB and HBD. Ya’ll have pleasant tunes and pleasant dreams (you too Doomy if you are still here).
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:57 pm
Blotter acid will not help you study Religion.
You could not read the words.
There are some experiences which transcend words, getalife.
Wouldn’t you love to see Dusty all miced up. Then she would know what the Jesus experience is all about.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:57 pm
They balanced the budget before in a different moderate environment.
The people are divided so they are doing what the people want.
I think we need to get back to that moderate environment.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
11:58 pm
“People who are self employed, or Public sector employees like teachers, firefighters, police officers and other law enforcement (FBI, CIA…MILITARY PERSONNEL) DID NOT pay for that same infrastructure??”
I never said that they do not pay for some of that same infrastructure. They do. They give back a % of their salary in taxes but nowhere near enough to pay for themselves. But the rest of their salaries, their benefits, etc have to be financed by other taxpayers. Surely you knew this.
As for the rest of your angry rant you sure seem to be heavy on blanket statements about conservatives and short on facts.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:00 am
RW- The other 100 not so much
Here’s a crazy notion: Repeal the 17th Amendment so that senator are selected to serve the state’s best interest.
The fed is drunk with power and the state’s need to take some of it back. When Governors start considering resigning to become Senators, you know something is seriously wrong.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
12:00 am
Bruno,
That would be a trip
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
12:00 am
Yep Bruno, I think you are a tad bit older than me. Stuff you listened to as a teen and college student, I listened to as a child because of my older brother. Some stuff I missed. King Crimson was never a favorite though I heard them. I liked Hendix more than my brother though lol (he was a King Crimson fan). Funny how things work………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbkZF2L71DE
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
12:00 am
I have nothing to gain by posting as someone else on the same blog thread, especially ones of more substance
SL, I was responding to your post, not accusing you of being someone else.
My response to your BS is “F Obama”. Got it??
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:02 am
getalife- Good grief, they could not even pass what they agree on.
obamacare says,”What?”
Should they follow the Democrat lead and send bribes to their own people until it passes?
Thulsa Doom
August 11th, 2012
12:03 am
“the Democratic party is about as Conservative as you can get because they fight like hell to do nothing.”
Yeah. I can’t argue with that observation. At least Ryan and the Congressional Republicans tried to hold the line on the debt ceiling and get actual cuts done. As for the Dem led Senate does that body do anything??? I mean really. What the hell has the senate done lately? They haven’t even passed a budget in years.
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
12:03 am
Time to pee on the fire and call in the dogs.
@@, be sure you get that in the right order or you’ll be chasing dogs ’til daylight. (IWH)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZvMx1DXxKI
Nite all.
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
12:04 am
Fred @ 12:00– Awesome live Hendrix piece.
When JamVet and I saw Greg Lake a few months ago, he lamented seeing Hendrix live for the first time. He said he knew then how lacking his own music was, and how much the game had been changed forever.
killerj
August 11th, 2012
12:05 am
# 1 problem?,this country is split down the middle with no true leader in sight,more bad times for Americas future ahead with this rotten world global economy where only a hand full of people will rule the roost,implement a 10 year only status in politics before we all suffer from greed.
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
12:05 am
Bruno
August 10th, 2012
11:57 pm
Blotter acid will not help you study Religion.
You could not read the words.
There are some experiences which transcend words, getalife.
Wouldn’t you love to see Dusty all miced up. Then she would know what the Jesus experience is all about.
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Amen brother. I’m old enough to remember REAL acid. (Where are those flashbacks they promised us). Dusty WOULD have benefited from a good trip from real acid though she would never admit it lol. As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say she is only one good trip away from opening her mind. She has a GOOD mind, she just closed it about twenty years ago and then slapped 45 coats of varnish on it so nothing new could ever penetrate……..
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
12:06 am
Bruno,
Whatcha mean “all miced up? “Jesus experience”? Sounds just like somebody who never goes to worship anywhere but loves to talk about it.
And “blotter acid”? What? You druggies should explain the local terms. I”m not familiar with them.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:06 am
Thulsa- As for the Dem led Senate does that body do anything???
They came up with a budget but Harry Ried’s dog accidently ate it. I know it’s true because his friend called and told me it was.
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
12:06 am
Well, guys, PB is giving me that look.
Great, great party as usual.
Here’s my last call for the night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRYvf_mfy9E
Thulsa Doom
August 11th, 2012
12:09 am
JKL2,
I dunno bout that. Aint what I heard. What I heard is that Harry’s dog peed and pooped on the budget and then Harry ate it.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:09 am
killerj- # 1 problem?,this country is split down the middle with no true leader in sight
Agreed. I think Hillary is pure evil, but she would have been a much better president . (Guess people should have voted on content of character rather than color of skin).
I have lawn funriture with more leadership skills than obama…
SheeshLouise
August 11th, 2012
12:10 am
@Thulsa.
Public sector employees pay the SAME taxes any PRIVATE SECTOR employee BASED ON THEIR ANNUAL ADJUSTED INCOME! In other words, a police officer making $48k /yr is subject to THE SAME tax as a corporate Marketing Rep making the same! Who are you fooling (other than yourself)?? LOL So then… are you implying that public sector employees do not in fact make ALL the money folks like you claim they do, given that they put ” nowhere near enough to pay for themselves”??
You should be embarrassed with that transparent BS.. and call my “rant” “angry” all you want, doesn’t bother me because it doesn’t change the facts. And as far as making “blanket statements” about “conservatives” as I did in this isolated case, I don’t feel bad about that either. YOU guys specialize in it, you obviously cannot take it though. Too bad. Oh the outrage!!! Time to hit the skid.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:11 am
Thulsa- What I heard is that Harry’s dog peed and pooped on the budget and then Harry ate it.
Could have been a different year. He’s had several chances.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
12:11 am
Well, thanks, Fred, for your observations. Nothing like hearing from a drunk.
So I poured varnish on my mind..Oh yes! At least it wasn’t ol rot gut alcohol! Tell us about it…
getalife
August 11th, 2012
12:14 am
Dang @@,
I wanted to know what the devil looked like but I think President Clinton saw her too.
The devil with the blue dress on.
Cue the Youtube…..
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
12:17 am
Hmmm I see censorship approaching again tomorrow. Thus goes the neigborhood, Mr. Rogers!
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:18 am
since people seem to be in a musical mood, I’ll close out with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnAp3YxCCw
Peace out.
Thulsa Doom
August 11th, 2012
12:19 am
“Public sector employees pay the SAME taxes any PRIVATE SECTOR employee BASED ON THEIR ANNUAL ADJUSTED INCOME! ”
I understand that. We all do. That you think this is somehow enlightening is quite bizarre. I’ll repeat this again very slowly so that maybe you will understand. Public employees entire salaries and the equipment they work with has to be paid for. The public employees themselves help pay for it partly through their own taxes. So 20% or higher or maybe lower of what they earn goes right back into the pool to help pay for govt services. What I am saying is that the rest of that public employees salary and benefits have to be paid for by everyone else.
And put aside the hate for a moment. No one is getting down on public employees. They provide needed services such as fire and police protection and educating our kids. Being a govt worker doesn’t make you sorry or lazy or bad or anything like that. You’re completely missing the point. The point is that the more unnecessary govt programs and non essential bureaucracy that we have the more of an overall burden you’re putting on the private sector to pay for those programs and the administering of them. Its not about hating public employees dude. Its about what we can reasonably afford. And for what its worth my mom retired from the state of Alabama, one brother is an accountant who works for the state, and my older brother is a lieutenant colonel in the Army- all govt employees. I do not hate or look down on my own family for working for the govt.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
12:21 am
Our President’s leadership if forcing the ones that caused the mess to clean up their mess.
It worked.
Thulsa Doom
August 11th, 2012
12:22 am
Ya’ll have a good night. Doomy out.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
12:25 am
He leads like a Parent dealing with spoiled children.
“Clean up your room.”
“No, you lie.”
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
12:31 am
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
12:11 am
Well, thanks, Fred, for your observations. Nothing like hearing from a drunk.
So I poured varnish on my mind..Oh yes! At least it wasn’t ol rot gut alcohol! Tell us about it…
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And so we hear the personal attacks from holy pious Dusty. Bless your heart lil Dusty, you are the PERFECT example of a Baptist.
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
12:34 am
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
12:17 am
Hmmm I see censorship approaching again tomorrow. Thus goes the neigborhood, Mr. Rogers!
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Of COURSE you see that. You are the main person calling for it. The “neigborhood” (snark) is limited in YOUR tiny little mind to those who think EXACTLY as you do with your 25 coats of varnished little mind.
i see why you don’t go to Jay’s anymore, your whining over there is tossed by Jay. Apparently you are Kyle’s little Auntie or something so it has weight……..
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
12:37 am
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:18 am
since people seem to be in a musical mood, I’ll close out with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnAp3YxCCw
Peace out.
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You haven’t a shred of originality in your body (or a shred of decency of honor) do you. You COULD have given credit to the person you stole this video from when he posted it at Jay’s 10 hours ago. But no, you wouldn’t do that………..
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
12:41 am
From Jay’s blog earlier today (which JLK2 was on):
ragnar danneskjold
August 10th, 2012
11:56 am
Obama That I Used to Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnAp3YxCCw&feature=player_embedded
getalife
August 11th, 2012
12:52 am
rag and jk are the same con.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
12:59 am
robme/ryan.
Fred ™
August 11th, 2012
1:07 am
getalife: you are dead to me. Have you forgotten? You COULD apologize and be resurrected but I don’t see that happening……..
Michael H. Smith
August 11th, 2012
5:11 am
But maybe we shouldn’t blame her or the campaign for that little fib. After all, in Obama’s America, only the super-successful could be responsible for something bad. Somebody else, I’m sure, made that happen.
Following the obamalogic Kyle, means only colossal super-failures – like obama and the democrats – are responsible for anything good.
Then again… obamaCare, Dodd-Frank… can we stand anymore of what obama and the democrats call good?
Michael H. Smith
August 11th, 2012
5:43 am
Here’s a crazy notion: Repeal the 17th Amendment so that senator are selected to serve the state’s best interest.
The fed is drunk with power and the state’s need to take some of it back. When Governors start considering resigning to become Senators, you know something is seriously wrong.
Yes something is very wrong indeed when you have a form of government mandated to be a Representative Republic Constitutionally removes the Representatives of the very entities that created the Federal Government to primarily serve and represent its’ interest.
Here’s one for those in the governmental know to consider…. If the 17th Amendment was repealed, meaning U.S. Senators would no longer be elected by a popular vote and returned to being elected by State legislators, do you think any unfunded federal mandates could ever make it into law?
Anybody dumb enough to say yeah, poses an extreme danger to whatever part of this country remains the once Representative Republic established by the founders of this nation.
Michael H. Smith
August 11th, 2012
5:52 am
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has picked Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan to be his running mate, according to a Republican with knowledge of the development. They will appear together Saturday in Norfolk, Va., at the start of a four-state bus tour to introduce the newly minted GOP ticket to the nation.
I’ll feel great deal better when this is made official. Only Rubio could have brought an equal recognition to the ticket. However, I doubt notwithstanding personal favoritism of him and his energetic charisma that Rubio can equal Ryan’s economic wisdom.
marko
August 11th, 2012
6:25 am
Romney and Ryan, wow can’t say that I saw that one coming. Corporations are people, and evidently we’ve been mistreating them. Obviously I can’t speak for everybody , but for my part I’m sincerely sorry. In my defense, how was I to know? I don’t have access to their boardrooms , gated communities, or luxury boxes. Hidden from view, one can only imagine the unspeakable horrors that must go on in these places. How brave they must have been to keep their misery as private as Mitten’s tax returns. The poor little tykes were too proud to accept our pity. Dry your eyes little fellows. Mittens will kiss away all your boo boo’s. Happy days are here again.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
6:48 am
Ryan is an excellent choice, politically and practically. Real Americans understand that Obozo is destroying the country with his unprecedented, anti-American $1.5 trillion annual deficits and irresponsible, destructive, massive expansion of handouts. Real Americans understand that Obozo’s approach to private industry is analogous to the Islamofascists approach to non-Islamofascists–tax them, kill them, or convert them. In short, Real Americans understand that Obozo is a fascist.
The productive class, the “makers”, will vote American. The “takers” will vote Democrat
Are there enough makers to save the country from the parasite “taker” class?
America needs Romney-Ryan 2012
August 11th, 2012
7:14 am
Dear Paul Ryan
Please throw barack obama and the democrat party over the cliff.
Many thanks,
America
Finn McCool
August 11th, 2012
7:18 am
That poor lady! Romney, how could you do that to her?
Skip
August 11th, 2012
7:21 am
Why do the cons want to throw another election?
bob
August 11th, 2012
7:35 am
Obama’s speech was just as bad if you took out the line, “you didn’t build that”. The whole speech was bashing biz owners. He started with, ” I am always amazed when someone says I must have been smarter” Really, what biz owner has come up to you and said, I am successful because I am smarter then everyone else ? Obama then tells us that we have alot of smart people. So he is telling biz owners they are not smaeter than the rest so they must be lucky. He says the same about working harder by telling biz owners they do not work harder than others. So Obama’s little rant was bashing biz owners and even without the you didn’t build that line was anti biz. For those that think Obo is right, show us an example of someone being smarter than Bill Gates when it comes to windows. Obama was telling his gov dependant peeps that all you need to be a success is a bridge, a road and a business card. Since he never started one he really doesn’t know.
bob
August 11th, 2012
7:37 am
Romney should follow the Stopic commercial with a commercial starring Brian Terrys widowed wife, a woman that knows which candidate is responsible for an Americans death.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
7:45 am
The obozo team busily loads the word “dumb” into the Teleprompter so their candidate will know what to say about Paul Ryan.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
7:47 am
President Romney won’t sell weapons to drug gangs like Obozo did.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
7:48 am
Ryan schooled Obozo at his own health care meeting. No teleprompter, don’tcha know.
GT
August 11th, 2012
8:30 am
Romney’s comments on the Jewish culture being the reason for success on his last tour are very similar to the idea of American culture that Obama believes in. The differents in the Jews and Americans is the Jewish people pull each other up the Americans are all about “me”.
When you say “resonated” you must defined that comment. Yes the rich noticed the comments like a pitcher on steroids winning 20 games notice someone calling him a cheat. But the poor guy playing it straight never seeing daylight just trying to compete, like the little store owner squeezed out by Walmart or the gal who can’t get her community bank to lend her money for a business after the Republican bail out of banks like they have an agenda they don’t get to compete it “resonates” too. There are only so many balls to play with and the owners have taken them home so only they can play. Then they think they are the best players because they are the only players while a Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain sits on the bench. A lot like segregated baseball where a bunch of white boys thought they had game that wouldn’t even make the minor leagues now days.
Julia
August 11th, 2012
8:30 am
You people just cannot stand it that Obama beat the old white guy. Twist and distort away, you are about as transparent as the sheer curtains on my neighbor’s windows.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
8:37 am
Somebody had to tell obozo what happened afterwards-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs
And the dummycrat response duh, Paul Ryan wants to push grandma over duh cliff, duh, bark, bark, hehehheheee, duh
Mr. Howell
August 11th, 2012
8:45 am
No, President Obama is not perfect, two Bushes, Clinton, etc., none were perfect either but did things their own way when they did not have the support of their party or Congress. Being honest and upfront was the real stories behind all of the Presidents……Nixon even resigned so that say something about really wanting to represent those who elect you into office of the highest honor. There is something “wicked” about Romney and why he will not turn lose his taxes information and it will soon blow a lot of people minds. His running mate will have pull out because it will deeply impact him as well! Just like the President said, you did not do it on your own….someone else help you get there. So let’s see if Romney actually lied about not bieng in charge or still the CEO of Bain when he said he was not! If he lied about that fact, then you all will see how big of the implications he will make trying to get the US out of the mess we are in. He will lie about that too!
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
8:48 am
You people just cannot stand it that Obama beat the old white guy. Twist and distort away, you are about as transparent as the sheer curtains on my neighbor’s windows.
Julia–It’s all about policy, not personality. Unfortunately, in your shallow, race-centered world, you can’t understand that. Take your race-tinged glasses off once in a while.
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
8:49 am
A Paul Ryan pick?!
Listen closely, do you hear that? It’s Barack Obama going, “YIPPEE, WOOHOO!!”
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
8:51 am
“Julia–It’s all about policy, not personality. Unfortunately, in your shallow, race-centered world, you can’t understand that. Take your race-tinged glasses off once in a while.”
This is why the modern conservative movement is going the way of the dodo. Can’t you fathom a world where people have evaluated Obama’s policies, and decide to support him because of his policies??
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
8:51 am
A lot like segregated baseball where a bunch of white boys thought they had game that wouldn’t even make the minor leagues now days.
Is it just me, or does it seem that the Libs around here can’t move past race?? Pretty ugly in my book.
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
8:52 am
Can’t you fathom a world where people have evaluated Obama’s policies, and decide to support him because of his policies??
SB–If it’s all about policy with you guys, why is race gratuitously dragged into nearly every discussion??
Don Abernethy
August 11th, 2012
8:52 am
I have lived in an era when the US was respected and admired my the rest of the world. Now with the present administration always apologizing to other countries and trying to become a socialist nation like Europe our country is no longer respected or admired. This administration must reflect the views of a lot of voters who did not grow up when America was great. Voters who are much more liberal and whose morals do not match those of the WW II era. I had hoped we could defeat Obama. The emails I have received these past three years seem to indicate he could never win but now polls show him ahead 7 points. Romney’s pick of Paul Ryan will move Obama ahead even more. It is very depressing to think I will have to put up with Obama another 4 years.
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
8:54 am
You mentioned race, not me. Conservatives just can’t grasp the thought that people support Obama because of his policies. No, we support him because of his race, we support him because we’re “brainwashed.” The GOP and conservative movement need to do some soul searching and figure out why their locus of support is old white men. Maybe it’s your policies that push people away. Ever considered that?
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
8:55 am
OH NOES, we will become a socialist state!!!1
I’ve yet to see anyone articulate how the U.S. is more of a socialist state today than it was 10, 20, 30 years ago.
Grob Hahn
August 11th, 2012
9:08 am
I keep hearing “out of context, out of context” being used to defend Obama in much the same way it has been used for a very long time to deal with Joe Biden’s mouth. Weird how Obama’s carefully-planned agenda didn’t factor their odd relationship. And of course, Obama’s relationship with that nasty racist Hillary Clinton (or at least that’s how he saw her during the primaries as he walked over her campaign’s carcass).
But roll the tape back to Bush, we love going back to Bush right? Remember “MIssion Accomplished”? Who was that banner for? The president? Nope. It was for the ship. They were heading home, their mission was accomplished. Instead their pride was twisted to be used as toilet paper with GW’s face printed on it. A LOT of people have not forgotten that slap in the face. All because of context.
And crimes of opportunity on the part of candidates, PACs and the press.
Grobbbbbbbbb
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
9:14 am
You mentioned race, not me.
Sorry, Bro, it was Julia and GT who started in with the racist garbage this morning. And every other morning. For some reason, Libs are obsessed with race. Maybe you can explain why.
GT
August 11th, 2012
9:16 am
In criminal law there is a on going enterprise theory that says a criminal is still responsible for a crime if he birthed an operation that is on going after the individual has passed the statue of limitations. Romney created Bain, Bain does horrible stuff, without the creation this vehicle would not have been in the area to do what it did. The buck stops at Romney, he is responsible. He only wants the good image from Bain and apparently the thing went to hell after he left. How convenient. If you look at Romney history even back to prep school you will see a weak character that would easily find fall guys to save his bacon. A lot of rich guys do this they think they are holly and can’t get dirty, let Mikey eat it and if he lives I will take some.
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
9:17 am
Right. I didn’t mention race. You don’t address any of my substantive points. I guess that speaks volumes…I’ll be supporting Obama, I’m not brainwashed, and I’m not waiting on a government check. After Mitt’s choice of Paul Ryan, sheesh, that’s all I can say!
Mr_B
August 11th, 2012
9:22 am
Mr. Abernathy:
“The emails I have received these past three years seem to indicate he could never win but now polls show him ahead 7 points.”
I would suggest that you start ignoring the emails and actually take stock of both where Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney are proposing to take the country. If you wish a return to the policies of the 2000-2008 years, by all means vote for Mr. Romney.
If, on the other hand, you feel that the interests of America are better served when everyone has an equal shot at success, when the country sacrifices together to solve our financial problems, when we do not involve ourselves in costly and needless wars in places like Iran, I would encourage you to consider a vote for Mr. Obama.
Oh, and that “apology tour” thing exists only in the imagination of the Heritage Foundation.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html
@@
August 11th, 2012
9:25 am
IT’S PAUL RYAN!!!!!!
I
could
not
be
happier.
A little R&R from Obama/Biden.
Rest & Relaxation. Restore & Repair.
It’ll be R&R going FORWARD!
Mr_B
August 11th, 2012
9:27 am
Morning, Bruno.
GT
August 11th, 2012
9:27 am
Nothing about race, I am just saying when five foot men think they are basketball players because the system lets them think they are by systematically excluding taller people there is a hypocrisy going on. O points this out and people go crazy, rich short people. This is not about race, poor and middle class whites are being blackballed in this system too, but they are the ones who think it is about race and are loyal to the plantation owners just because they are white like them. The rich throw them a few toys let them get fat and lazy and getting the vote is very easy. The rest of us don’t go down so easy.
Jack
August 11th, 2012
9:28 am
I really don’t think the opinions of the liberals here come from those that actually vote. But IF you do vote for Obama, you also get Biden; and that’s something to be really proud of. Wear a Biden button.
Mr_B
August 11th, 2012
9:30 am
“IT’S PAUL RYAN!!!!!!
I
could
not
be
happier.”
Me neither! (Well, he could have picked Newt or Bachmann; But Obama has never been that lucky!)
RW-(the original)
August 11th, 2012
9:33 am
I bet the moderators are wetting themselves trying to figure out a way to save Biden in the coming VP debate.
Great choice, Mitt
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
9:33 am
Well, Romney definitely shored up the angry white man vote.
Not sure he expanded the GOP’s tent very much though.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 11th, 2012
9:34 am
Taken together, they reflect the president’s apparent belief that the good things as well as the bad things in our lives — success and failure, joy and tragedy, growth and death — are the products of forces beyond our control that only government can bring to heel
Surely you’ll acknowledge, Kyle, that what this debate really is about or should be about – Obama’s relative articulateness or inarticulateness aside – is the vulnerability of the less fortunate and less powerful in this country to the vicissitudes of life: a serious illness or health condition being one of the major ones. And in an economy where productivity has grown steadily while wages have stagnated for the vast majority, it’s reasonable to ask: just why is this country the only major industrialized country in the world without some form of universal health coverage?
That glaring fact could at least be somewhat justified, arguably, while there was some hope of the economy continuing on an indefinite expansive course out into the future, but now that the fruits of the ruthless dismantling of older social democratic mixed-model strictures and a hyper-marketization of everything are on display for all to see, I think that argument becomes quite apparent in all its cruelty.
So for you to wrench the discussion out of that, its proper context and try to paint this as being about “government”, is a bit disingenuous. Of course, Obama is also partly to blame here for not going a crucial step further and emphasizing the fact that these questions have nothing at all to do with being pro- or anti- “big government”. Everyone is in favor of the government that favors their group’s interests. Big business interests and their conservative defenders are just as dependent on big government as anyone else. But given the mileage that conservatives get out of trying to convince voters otherwise, exploiting their resentment against the supposed “freeloaders”, I can understand why they have their opinion people like you out there still pushing that line.
Because it pays.
GT
August 11th, 2012
9:35 am
This running mate is the last act of a desperate candidate not unlike the Palin choice. Romney is really slipping in the polls and this truck load of money, his only hope to whitewash his evil, will dry up if there is not some energy in his campaign. He has done us a favor picking Paul Ryan. One on one with a guy who has taken cheap shots and throws the red meat of lies to the mob is exactly what this country needs. Bring him out of the bushes and tell the class what’s so funny, Mr. Ryan, I can’t wait to hear.
Ken
August 11th, 2012
9:45 am
The man has never held a job that wasn’t a direct link to the government teet…government seldom creates any opportunity for the average businessman who isn’t politically connected. Whether at the local, state or federal level, government intrusion, regulation, zoning; government impedes business development, requires expensive attorney fees and typically some government employee- who makes union employees look highly productive- continues to stand in the way. Anyone who owns a business knows exactly what I am saying.
Remember how he said during the debates how he had a plan for creating jobs? And stupid voters brought iinto it.
independent thinker
August 11th, 2012
9:48 am
Kyle – I would love to have you explain the myriad of federal subsidies that vulture capital firms like Bain ge when they take over a company and ship it overseas. How much did Bain get in tax breaks for relocation expenses when it shut that steel mill and shipped jobs overseas? Romney wrote the book on using government assistance through tax write offs to get wealthy. How did that $77,000 tax deduction do in the Olympics?
MarkV
August 11th, 2012
9:51 am
Dusty@ 11:51 pm
Still singing the same ol song I see, Dusty.
“Kyle does not lie. He gives his version of what he reads just like you do.”
There are no “versions.” There is the truth and the lie. Kyle continues the lie.
“You don’t score any points by calling people “liar”.”
Lying is lying. I have not called Kyle a liar – yet. Liar is a person who lies repeatedly, habitually.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 11th, 2012
9:59 am
Ryan???
Obama landslide!
Michael H. Smith
August 11th, 2012
10:02 am
I’ve yet to see anyone articulate how the U.S. is more of a socialist state today than it was 10, 20, 30 years ago.
Obamacare.
Articulated in one word.
Now that didn’t take long at all. Certainly not as long as it will take for you and your deflated ego to recover.
Then again Marxism by whatever degree really isn’t hard to beat, it’s even easier to expose.
RW-(the original)
August 11th, 2012
10:14 am
http://mckaylaisnotimpressed.tumblr.com/
Wonder what McKayla thinks of the Ryan pick
lefty_316
August 11th, 2012
10:25 am
Paul Ryan was a poor pick by Romney. He already has the Tea Party vote wrapped up, he should have selected Rob Portman to increase his chances of winning the swing state of Ohio.
I long to return to the republican party, my home for 24 years. However I cannot do so until there is a purge of the evangelical element and their perverted agenda..
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” George Washington, May 1789.
md
August 11th, 2012
10:25 am
“When you get a chance, how about doing some RESEARCH on our Federal Interstate Highway System. Specifically, go right to the ‘Interstate Funding’ section and get your fill:”
Funding section?? The sad part is that you actually believe the gov’t has the money to fund anything…….
And where pray tell Louise does the gov’t get it’s funds?? Hint…..from taxpayers, who get paid by some company that some guy/gal started when s/he took the risk and opened the doors……..
RW-(the original)
August 11th, 2012
10:26 am
You didn’t paint that!
Michael H. Smith
August 11th, 2012
10:26 am
Romney wrote the book on using government assistance through tax write offs to get wealthy
Doubt that statement, after all Congress writes the government assistance and taxes laws. Closer to the truth, what is making you mad is that Romney took advantage of every subsidy and tax write off that was written in the book.
However if when you truly live-up to your selected moniker you might support doing away with all tax subsidies, write-offs, write downs, shelters, deductions etc. for a much more honest less abusive flatter tax code. The present heavily aggressive multiple-compound progressive tax code is laden down with layers of dishonest and punitive laws, that in reality, if not in purpose, punishes progressive achievement while rewarding progressive deceitfulness.
md
August 11th, 2012
10:30 am
“Where did the PAPER AND METAL CURRENCY come from that was able to be passed from your employer to you in exchange for your “work”? Oh.. okay…”
Also from funds generated by those very same businesses……what part are you having a hard time with? The private sector (all those businesses “not” started by some individual) has to generate ALL the capital to keep EVERYTHING running.
If you can’t figure that simple concept out, I can’t help you……….
Michael h. Smith
August 11th, 2012
10:37 am
Back later on in the day possibly…
till than y’all.
md
August 11th, 2012
10:38 am
“The public employees themselves help pay for it partly through their own taxes. So 20% or higher or maybe lower of what they earn goes right back into the pool to help pay for govt services. What I am saying is that the rest of that public employees salary and benefits have to be paid for by everyone else. ”
TD….actually, that is not true either. I used to think it was until further examination. Since public sector employees get their entire salary from the private sector by way of taxes, even the 20% they may pay back in originally came from the private sector…….
md
August 11th, 2012
10:40 am
On topic, the biggest fallacy from the Obama speech comes from the line of “there are a lot of smart people out there”.
Yes, there are……the difference arises when those smart people make the choice of working for themselves or working for someone else……….
Goes back to we choose everything we do………
wj
August 11th, 2012
10:43 am
Notwithstanding the sorrow or losing a spouse, or more importantly using one’s own life, the Soptic commercial is based on anger or other motivations – rather than fact. Check out the facts, Mrs. Soptic died long after Bain changed hands, and she did have health insurance.
Facts emerge – and some blinded Obama-ites will not face them. Some diseases are fatal, and kill regardless of your health insurance coverage; and, health insurance is available to everyone now. Yes, it is available – and unlike what so many in O’s camp purport it is not free. Someone is paying for the insurance. This is not about the lack of available insurance; rather, this is about people wanting someone else to pay for their insurance.
I do not wish cancer on anyone, nor do I negate the incredible pain of losing a spouse – however, I am disgusted by those who lie to make a point and use those circumstances as their foundation.
Beyond Mr. Soptic, make no mistake the scheming and unsavory shameful behavior of the Obama campaign and inner circle are unmistakable and consistent. Their fingerprints are all over this – and they lied – yes, OBAMA LIED – when asked about this and so much more. We now know that they knew about it from the beginning, and are exploiting every untruth that they believe might help their self-serving agenda. They are deplorable.
WJ
Atlanta
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
10:47 am
“Obamacare.
Articulated in one word.”
So, you basically can not articulate how the U.S. is more a socialist state today in the past.
Awesome. I’m sure you’ve read so much Marx to be able to discuss Marxism adequately.
/sarcasm
md
August 11th, 2012
10:48 am
From page one for those that may have missed it….and pay attention to the word “buyout” as it makes all the difference in the world:
“JOE SOPTIC: Well, I guess the first thing I noticed after the company was bought out by GST, they became very union-non-friendly. I mean, they started looking for ways to eliminate jobs. In my case, in my department, they actually offered to buy our jobs out from underneath us.”
jconservative
August 11th, 2012
10:51 am
So Romney has chosen Ryan and I am sure he is happy with his selection.
And I am sure the White House is equally happy with Romney’s selection. They have been trying to connect Romney to the Ryan Economic Plan all spring and summer. Now it is a done deal.
The election will be about the Ryan Plan, Romney’s taxes and offshore money and not about the Obama record.
So now may the best political commercials win. Good luck to all.
md
August 11th, 2012
10:54 am
The fallacy about socialism and the US lies in the false pretense that it is an either/or proposition.
The facts indicate there is a fluid line between capitalism and socialism with many points along that line. With the passage of Obamacare, the current point on the line has moved further toward socialism, there is no way it hasn’t.
And one must also remember, Countries like Greece and States/Cities like CA are also not true socialistic entities…….but it is those policies that are their problem.
Greece is actually a case study on the old saying that eventually, you run out of other peoples money……as they did.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 11th, 2012
10:55 am
the evangelical element and their perverted agenda..
More dangerous than Al Queda in my opinion.
md
August 11th, 2012
10:57 am
“And I am sure the White House is equally happy with Romney’s selection. They have been trying to connect Romney to the Ryan Economic Plan all spring and summer. Now it is a done deal.”
The way I see it……now Ryan can actually frame the plan as he wrote it vs allowing the left to frame it in their terms.
And yes, it should get interesting……the fact check sites should have plenty to do in the next few months……
MarkV
August 11th, 2012
10:58 am
wj @ 10:43 am: “Check out the facts, Mrs. Soptic died long after Bain changed hands, and she did have health insurance. “
Check out the facts, and the logic:
Facts: Mrs Soptic did NOT have health insurance when she died.
Logic: That is exactly the point, that she was diagnosed and died AFTER both she and her husband lost their jobs and health insurance.
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
11:04 am
“The fallacy about socialism and the US lies in the false pretense that it is an either/or proposition.”
The U.S. has been a mixed political system for a long while. This is precisely my point. The irony of course is the same folks crying about socialism are the same people screaming “drill here, drill now!”
It’s ironic because the only way that oil drilled here would directly benefit the U.S. is if we had a state-owned oil company.
SBinF
August 11th, 2012
11:05 am
“Logic: That is exactly the point, that she was diagnosed and died AFTER both she and her husband lost their jobs and health insurance.”
Too bad they didn’t live in Massachusetts, they could have had access to socialized medicine!
oh wait,
SHHH!
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
11:17 am
fred- You haven’t a shred of originality in your body (or a shred of decency of honor) do you. You COULD have given credit to the person you stole this video from when he posted it at Jay’s 10 hours ago. But no, you wouldn’t do that………..
I guess I could have done that if I ever went into one of Jay’s music blogs. I probably would have given credit to the MSN homepage from when they posted it a couple days ago.
As a liberal, I’m sure you would say I have no honor since I spent the majority of my life in the military protecting your right to be a blathering idiot.
md
August 11th, 2012
11:18 am
“It’s ironic because the only way that oil drilled here would directly benefit the U.S. is if we had a state-owned oil company.”
Directly…yes, indirectly….no. Oil is all about supply and demand…….and in theory, the more supply the lower the price. Of course the only way to find out would be to drill as doing nothing maintains the status quo………
md
August 11th, 2012
11:20 am
“The U.S. has been a mixed political system for a long while. This is precisely my point.”
Mixed….yes, trending further toward socialism…..also yes. And that is the point others are making.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:27 am
Well, good news this morning. As I read more facts about Ryan, he sounds better and better. I mean he’s got experience in government, a great education, a very bright mind, and the ability to get along with people in an attractive way. And he’s truly a conservative in finance!
At last, a man who does not bend in the wind and uses his mind. Just the right partner for Romney, the quiet leader with a sparkling young mind behind him. That’s a great combination and a fine decision by Romney. We are off to an excellent start in getting the country back on track!.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
11:30 am
Lil Barry- Are there enough makers to save the country from the parasite “taker” class?
When you add the 47% to the OWS crowd and those who vote based on color of skin, obama is going to be really hard to defeat.
From my favorite cartoon: Bucky, “There sure seem to bee alot of stupid people in the world. What happens when all those stupid people vote?” Satchel, “The Democrat wins.”
md
August 11th, 2012
11:30 am
“Logic: That is exactly the point, that she was diagnosed and died AFTER both she and her husband lost their jobs and health insurance.”
Which still makes no sense considering hospitals by law can not turn anyone away due to non-payment and the fact that we have a program called medicaid. I think we are all operating without all the facts………..
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
11:34 am
I’m proud to stand with a man who understands what it takes to foster job creation in our economy, someone who knows from experience, that if you have a small business—you did build that. – Paul Ryan
Any questions?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 11th, 2012
11:38 am
The guy next door’s all-or-nothing analysis of the Ryan pick is wrong as usual.
One dimensional in describing that columnist is being charitable.
At best.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
11:38 am
A leader of a radical broken do nothing house that wants to end SS and Medicare.
Good luck with that.
Cue the tossing Grandma over the cliff ads.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
11:41 am
SBinF- After Mitt’s choice of Paul Ryan, sheesh, that’s all I can say!
I hate people with leadership ability who actually make plans too!
Go obama! The American people can’t wait to see you on another golf course instead of doing your job.
Dusty
August 11th, 2012
11:45 am
md
We are operating with one obvious fact here. Democrats will use a dying woman as propaganda in a political race which should be aimed in the direction of who would be best to lead the country,
Anyone who promotes personal tragedy as a political tool is lower than the proverbial snake’s belly. The Democratic Party has shown just how lowdown they will reach to try for success. The “Anything goes”Party has just reached a new mark at the bottom level of mud.. .
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
11:48 am
GT- One on one with a guy who has taken cheap shots and throws the red meat of lies to the mob is exactly what this country needs.
Romney didn’t kill that women. He just made her really sick. Ryan was in the hospital and pulled the plug on her! I know it’s true because Harry Reid’s friend called and told me.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
11:53 am
-Romney wrote the book on using government assistance through tax write offs to get wealthy
I hate tax cheats like Romney. Why can’t he be honorable like Charles Rangel (D)New York?
Those tax codes are so complicated even the guy who writes them has a hard time understanding what they say…
@@
August 11th, 2012
11:55 am
Getalife:
Last night you asked what the devil looked like?
You.
(ISH)
A leader of a radical broken do nothing house that wants to end SS and Medicare.
And the young voter who knows SS and Medicare won’t be there for them?
I think Ryan can get his message across to senior citizens.
He needs to assure them that nothing will change for them. He also needs to remind them that it’s their generation who kept a close eye on their neighbors’ children. They’re the generation that acted when they saw neighbors children putting themselves at risk.
It’s time to talk policy and issues…something Americans have been demanding.
During the GOP primary campaign, Ryan said this:
On Sunday, NBC’s David Gregory asked Ryan if it was a “legitimate” issue for the country to be discussing.
“Actually, I came on to talk about the debt crisis we have and the budget,” Ryan replied. “I support the Wisconsin amendment to define marriage between a man and a woman. Look, Bill Clinton signed into law the Defense of Marriage Act. If I recall from the last presidential campaign, President Obama and Vice President Biden said that they support marriage as being between a man and a woman.”
“I don’t know why were are spending all this time talking about this,” he added. “We’ve got a debt crisis coming and the administration just gave us a budget that simply just charts another path to debt and decline. It’s an unserious budget that just fails to tackle these challenges. And I think that’s what we ought to be talking about.”
BADA BING
August 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
Romney didn’t kill that woman……Somebody else did that.
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
getalife- A leader of a radical broken do nothing house that wants to end SS and Medicare. Cue the tossing Grandma over the cliff ads
I’m sure it’s only a matter of time until we see that with obama’s “new civility” campaign.
Who needs medicare when we have obamacare?
Paul Ryan really did push that lady in the wheelchair over the cliff. I know it’s true because Harry Reid’s friend called and told me.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 11th, 2012
12:04 pm
md: “Funding section?? The sad part is that you actually believe the gov’t has the money to fund anything…….”
Uhhh, printing press?
md
August 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
” Democrats will use a dying woman as propaganda in a political race which should be aimed in the direction of who would be best to lead the country, ”
On that, we can agree. It’s pretty pitiful in and of itself…….even more so when the guy admits he was offered a buyout.
I had a lot of friends in Atl that worked for Delta when they offered many thousands buyouts to leave the company vs having to be let go……..wonder how many people Delta killed??
md
August 11th, 2012
12:16 pm
“Uhhh, printing press?”
And that’s your response? Really?
If that’s the case, I have a monopoly game in the closet. I can’t believe someone actually thinks the US just prints money when it needs it.
BADA BING
August 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
I am surprise the libs didn’t claim that Romney strapped her to the top of his car.
JamVet
August 11th, 2012
12:35 pm
Lil Barry- Are there enough makers to save the country from the parasite “taker” class?
Hey!
Lay off the nearly 485,000 Americans who make between $100,000 and $500,000 and pay in NOTHING in feral withholding taxes in any given year.
But your real parasitic heroes?
The 18,000 Americans who make $500,000 or more in a year and pay in NOTHING. ZERO. ZIP. NADA. NARY. ZILCH.
You are just PO’d that you too haven’t figured out a way to be a complete parasite like those in the “taker” class. That is the neocon end game.
Keep voting Republican though, maybe it will happen for you some day too…(Fool.)
MarkV
August 11th, 2012
12:40 pm
“Which still makes no sense considering hospitals by law can not turn anyone away due to non-payment and the fact that we have a program called medicaid. I think we are all operating without all the facts………..”
Early cancer diagnosis is not a matter for emergency medical service or Medicaid.
Bruno
August 11th, 2012
12:41 pm
Conservatives just can’t grasp the thought that people support Obama because of his policies.
SBinF–You might help your cause a bit if you could demonstrate even one example of where I have said otherwise. I have no doubt that liberals like Obama due to his policies and rhetoric. And I have even less doubt that conservatives oppose him for those very same reasons. Yet, week after week, I am told by some jackass Lib that anyone who opposes Obama does so because of race. One day you might own up to the fact that it is YOUR side of the political aisle which attempts to inject race into nearly every discussion, and not the conservatives.
md
August 11th, 2012
12:42 pm
“Lay off the nearly 485,000 Americans who make between $100,000 and $500,000 and pay in NOTHING in feral withholding taxes in any given year.”
Have a link Am…..I’m curious as to the why.
md
August 11th, 2012
12:44 pm
“Early cancer diagnosis is not a matter for emergency medical service or Medicaid.”
And that makes no sense……if one is having problems, one goes to the emergency room……they aren’t going to kick one out if they find early stages of cancer……
@@
August 11th, 2012
12:56 pm
From Politico, one at a time:
Paul Ryan: “This is not the candidate of hope and change. This is a candidate who is hoping to change the subject by attacking his opponent with attacks that have already been labeled by independent fact checkers as deceitful and untrue.” — CBS News’ “Face the Nation” on July 15, 2012
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
12:57 pm
-You are just PO’d that you too haven’t figured out a way to be a complete parasite like those in the “taker” class. That is the neocon end game.
Yeah lil Barry. How dare you try to take personal responsibility and make something of yourself. Become a Democrat and suck off the government like everyone else! Nothing says liberal independence like choosing become the same as everyone else…
@@
August 11th, 2012
12:57 pm
Paul Ryan: “He’s distorting the truth, he’s dividing the country, and he’s becoming more bitter and partisan by the day. Frankly, it’s kind of sad to see.” – CNBC’s “The Kudlow Report”
@@
August 11th, 2012
12:58 pm
Paul Ryan: “He’s deluded himself into thinking that his so-called enemies are these crazy individualists who believe in some dog-eat-dog society when what he’s really doing is basically attacking people like entrepreneurs and stacking up a list of scapegoats to blame for his failures.” – AEIdeas.org
@@
August 11th, 2012
12:59 pm
Paul Ryan: “By failing seriously to confront the most predictable economic crisis in our nation’s history, the president’s policies are committing us and our children to a diminished future.” – statement following Obama’s speech on deficit reduction, April 13, 2011
getalife
August 11th, 2012
12:59 pm
@@,
I am not the devil but have been told to go to his house many times.
If you think Joe got attacked for making this ad, watch how ryan will get attacked for his votes with w and his plan to end Medicare.
I think it was a choice to keep wilie robme from losing you cons.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:00 pm
Paul Ryan: “To my great disappointment, it appears that the politics of division are making a big comeback. Many Americans share my disappointment – especially those who were filled with great hope a few years ago, when then-Senator Obama announced his candidacy in Springfield, Ill.” – at The Heritage Foundation, Washington, D.C., Oct. 26, 2011.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:01 pm
Paul Ryan: “What we heard today was not fiscal leadership from our commander-in-chief, what we heard today was a political broadside from our campaigner-in-chief.” – statement after Obama’s deficit reduction speech, Washington, D.C., April 13, 2011
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
1:02 pm
@@- This is not the candidate of hope and change
Two words: Thank God! I don’t know how much more “Hope and Change” our country can take.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:02 pm
Paul Ryan: “History will not be kind to a president who, when it came time to confront our generation’s defining challenge, chose to duck and run.” – statement after Obama criticized his plan, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2012
BADA BING
August 11th, 2012
1:02 pm
Ryan is not going to work out. Can Tina Fey do an impression of him?
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:03 pm
Paul Ryan: “We’ve gotten kind of used to this sort of verbal tantrums from the president. To me it’s a little more petulance than presidential.” – on “The Today Show” after Obama criticized his plan, March 10
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:04 pm
Mr. Ryan,
Why did you vote to expand Medicare part D then wrote a plan to end Medicare.
Why did you vote with w to blow out the deficit after a balanced budget.
Why do you want to toss Seniors off the cliff for the wealthy.
He is not ready for the karma that is coming.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:04 pm
LUV that last one!
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:05 pm
Paul Ryan: “President Obama cannot run on his record. It’s a terrible record and he is not changing his tune. This was no Bill Clinton presidency, this was not one of those issues when the Republicans took the House in 2010 and he decided to moderate, to move to the middle. No, not this president. He doubled down.” – at the Texas GOP convention, Fort Worth, Texas, June 9, 2012
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:06 pm
Paul Ryan: “It looks like the president wants to move down the class warfare path. Class warfare will simply divide this country more. It will attack job creators, divide people and it doesn’t grow the economy.” – on Fox’s Sunday with Chris Wallace, Sept. 18, 2011
JKL2
August 11th, 2012
1:07 pm
getalife- his plan to end Medicare.
Ryan was the architech of obamacare? I thought most people put that on Romney.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:07 pm
There’s a fighter on the GOP ticket, and a very intelligent one, at that.
RW-(the original)
August 11th, 2012
1:11 pm
Can Tina Fey do an impression of him?
They’ll have to get Eddie Munster out of mothballs.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:11 pm
jk,
No he lost the health care fight
He will lose this fight too but gain some experience on foreign policy and national level politics.
At least he shows our President some respect.
willie had a horrible summer and cut and ran from his losing on the referendum on our President.
He was losing his base of cons.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:13 pm
RW,
Eddie Muster still alive?
He should do SNL if he is.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:13 pm
Mr. Ryan has shown he’s not shy about firing back at the president, bringing both budget numbers and sharp rhetoric to the fight.
“Rather than building bridges, he’s poisoning wells,” the usually mild-mannered Mr. Ryan said. “Exploiting people’s emotions of fear, envy and anxiety is not hope; it’s not change. It’s partisanship. We don’t need partisanship. We don’t need demagoguery. We need solutions. And we don’t need to keep punting to other people to make tough decisions.”
Mr. Ryan’s first go-around with Mr. Obama came even before he became Budget Committee chairman. He was one of the Republicans invited to the White House for the 2010 summit on health care, and in six minutes sliced apart the math behind Democrats’ plans, arguing they didn’t meet the president’s own goals of cost-cutting–Washington Times
md
August 11th, 2012
1:15 pm
“Why did you vote to expand Medicare part D then wrote a plan to end Medicare.”
And this is how the left operates…….hyperbole.
The same with “dirty air and dirty water”…….kind of pitiful if they can’t see that others do know the truth. A bit like relaxing a regulation here and there is going to contaminate every jar of peanut butter on the planet…..on purpose. (By the way, we had regulations in place when they did find that contaminated PB)
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:17 pm
“Obama thinks he is smart and in command of the facts. Ryan actually is,” said Mike McKenna, a GOP strategist.
Schnirt
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:19 pm
md,
Facts are not important this cycle. Your party proved this fact.
Perception is all the rage.
Tossing Seniors off the cliff is good for perception.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:24 pm
Did willie look at ryan’s taxes?
Well, it is only fair for us to see willie’s taxes.
Reid was right.
He did not pay any taxes.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:24 pm
Paul Ryan should stay in the House
Another point to consider is that if Romney puts Rep. Ryan on the ticket and loses, it could tarnish any future prospects the latter wishes to have. Remember, Ryan is only 42 years old. He may still have a long political career in front of him.
For what it’s worth, Portman and Pawlenty, the other potential running mate picks, leave a lot to be desire. Portman is unknown even in his home state and Pawlenty is, well, the worst of any of the potential choices. But while Rep. Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” may not be perfect, conservatives should want him sticking it out in the Congress, which is where policy really matters, rather than taking a largely ceremonial, pointless job.
There was a time when I would have agreed…but that was before I found out Ryan had passed his torch to Dan Camp who is working quietly behind the scenes to achieve Ryan’s goals.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:27 pm
Getalife:
Did you know Ryan is a heavy metal fan?
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:29 pm
Metallica’s among his favorites.
md
August 11th, 2012
1:33 pm
“Perception is all the rage.”
I know…..that is why the illusion of “Hope and Change” worked on so many. We got plenty of the change part of the equation……now we need to hope it doesn’t put us out of our misery.
16 Trillion with an additional 1.5 Trillion a year are raw facts……..Greece didn’t do so well when presented with their raw facts……and we seem to be right on their heels.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:35 pm
ryan said the election of President Obama was “cool”.
He also said he regretted voting lock step with w.
Get him cons.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:37 pm
Did you know ryan voted for the bailouts and stimulus.
Get him cons.
md
August 11th, 2012
1:38 pm
“He also said he regretted voting lock step with w.”
That’s because w spent too dang much too………
Tick, tick, tick……the rating agencies are just biding their time as the misfits do nothing. If one doesn’t like the comparison to Greece, than take a look at Spain…..their problems also stem from downgrades………
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
1:41 pm
Did you know Ryan is a heavy metal fan?
Osmium or Iridium?
(IWH)
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:44 pm
And Barack Obama, during his first campaign, said that raising the debt ceiling was unpatriotic. He said in 2009? 2010? that raising taxes during a down economy would be the wrong thing to do. He extended the tax cuts.
Bill Clinton recently reiterated that point.
We’re still in a down economy.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:45 pm
Lets see he said the election of President Obama was “cool”, voted lock step with w to destroy our country then said he regretted it and voted for the bailouts and stimulus.
To be consistent you cons should hate ryan.
Hillbilly D,
He has good taste in music and likes Nirvana.
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:46 pm
Hillbilly:
Ask Getalife. He’s into the chemicals, not me.
(ISH)
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:48 pm
md,
Perhaps you should address the gop taking a balanced budget and exploded the deficit if you are so worried about the debt.
You should ask your party why they are spending like nothing happened.
It is congress that votes to spend the money silly.
getalife
August 11th, 2012
1:51 pm
@@,
I like Nirvana too so me and ryan have that in common.
He likes shooting elk with a bow and arrow but I use assault rifles so we disagree on that
Why I like the Ryan pick | Kyle Wingfield
August 11th, 2012
1:57 pm
[...] clear that the Obama campaign, which has already suggested Romney is a felon and tried to pin a woman’s death on him, considers nothing off-limits in this race. Romney could have disavowed Ryan’s plan [...]
@@
August 11th, 2012
1:58 pm
THE RIGHT REJOICES: “Paul Ryan is a GOP dream date for the biggest dance in politics,” Republican strategist Joe Brettell told The Note. “He’s Jack Kemp wonky, Ronald Reagan articulate and a real family man all wrapped up in a blue-eyed, P90x built frame.”
ABS…solutely.
MarkV
August 11th, 2012
2:11 pm
md @12:44 pm: “And that makes no sense……if one is having problems, one goes to the emergency room……they aren’t going to kick one out if they find early stages of cancer……”
Which just shows your total ignorance of medicine.
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
3:03 pm
if one is having problems, one goes to the emergency room……they aren’t going to kick one out if they find early stages of cancer……
No, they won’t kick you out but they will tell you that you need to see your family doctor or give you the name of a specialist and send you on your way. They aren’t going to treat it there.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 11th, 2012
3:30 pm
Joe Biden is white so you libs should hate him too, borrowing some lunatic logic floating around here.
md
August 11th, 2012
7:34 pm
“Which just shows your total ignorance of medicine.”
??
I’ve had several in the family tree basically live in the emergency room……I’m not too sure about the ones near you, but they always treat…..yes, they may release too, but they always treat again when they go right back in……..I’ve never seen them denied and for the most part they very rarely pay. Maybe you need to get out more in the real world.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 11th, 2012
7:52 pm
getalife: Reid was right. [Romney] did not pay any taxes.
———
And yet he wasn’t prosecuted by the IRS. Curious.
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
8:31 pm
And yet he wasn’t prosecuted by the IRS. Curious.
Neither was Timothy Geithner.
Hillbilly D
August 11th, 2012
8:33 pm
*That doesn’t mean I think he shouldn’t have been.
Mark Anderson
August 12th, 2012
2:40 am
That’s OK Kyle, you’ll never be super-successful.