‘Romney Hood’ tax claims are wishful liberal thinking

Liberals have seized on a single study by the Tax Policy Center as proof that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would cut taxes for “the rich” and raise them on the rest of us. The study is a work of wishful liberal thinking.

First, it’s wishful liberal thinking because the study’s authors acknowledge Romney has not laid out his plan in detail. After reviewing Romney’s plans for cutting rates across the board by 20 percent, along with eliminating certain other taxes, the study states:

According to statements by Governor Romney and his advisors, the remainder of the plan will include policies to offset this revenue loss, although there are no details on how that would be achieved. (emphasis added)

Now, it may or may not be a good thing for Romney’s electoral prospects that Romney has yet to explain this part of his plan. It may or may not lead voters to believe his plan would “offset this revenue loss” by getting more money from them, via the closing of certain loopholes and elimination of certain tax deductions and exemptions that favor them. But it is clearly disingenuous to suggest one can demonstrate his unspecified plan would do so.

The study’s authors attempt to do so by making certain assumptions about which loopholes, exemptions and deductions Romney would cut. They justify these assumptions by explaining what it would take for Romney’s plan to be revenue-neutral — under a static scoring system. That’s key: A static scoring system assumes no growth comes about as a result of the policy changes in question.

But as an editorial in today’s Wall Street Journal explains, not only does the historical record not support this key assumption of static scoring. Romney also explicitly does not rely only on base-broadening measures (though the editorial does point out that the Romney campaign “has been explicit in saying that the burden would fall most on higher tax brackets”). As the WSJ notes, his plan also includes an expectation that it would “increase revenues by increasing the rate of economic growth to 4%, up from less than 2% this year and in 2011.”

Now, one might criticize such an expectation as overly optimistic — though one would also have to note that the Obama administration has been (wrongly) forecasting just such a rosy future for 3.5 years now. But even if we accept the argument that Romney’s plan would not produce the growth needed to offset some of the rate cuts, the most reasonable conclusion, given what Romney has said about his plan, is that it would fail to be revenue-neutral. To suggest that the result would instead be middle-class tax hikes is to engage in partisan myth-making.

But that’s not where the wishful liberal thinking stops. The WSJ editorial explains:

Another reality is that more than one-third of Americans pay no income tax. Many in this group contribute payroll taxes, but for most their only connection to the income tax is to receive refundable tax credits (in the form of a check) that are effectively government payments. This is the basis for the Tax Policy Center’s wild claim that the Romney plan raises taxes on those who earn less than $30,000 — a group that now has a negative tax liability.

The claim is that reducing various refundable tax credits that are cash payments from the government are a “tax increase.” By this logic, reducing unemployment benefits or food stamps would also be a tax increase. Even the [Congressional Budget Office] and Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation acknowledge that refundable tax credits are government outlays not tax cuts. (emphasis original)

So, if one’s income-tax liability goes from, say, minus-8 percent to minus-6 percent, that’s now considered a “tax increase”? If that kind of thinking prevails, Washington truly cannot be fixed.

This wishful-liberal-thinking “study” is an exercise in redefining as many proposals and words as necessary to reach a desired conclusion, not a credible analysis.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
1:21 pm

there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.

See the pattern here? Mr Romney?

stands for decibels

August 8th, 2012
1:22 pm

So, if one’s income-tax liability goes from, say, minus-8 percent to minus-6 percent, that’s now considered a “tax increase”?

why not? I, fortunately, do not have to try to raise a family and make ends meet on such an income from my work. Millions, however, do.

Don’t tell me that it wouldn’t be a tax increase if they suddenly had a significant income shortfall, and had to cut back on even more of life’s essentials, if Mitt Romney were to succeed in implementing his plan.

Tell them.

Kyle Wingfield

August 8th, 2012
1:24 pm

stands @ 1:22: That’s the same Washington logic that says increasing spending by 3 percent rather than the scheduled 5 percent is a “spending cut.”

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
1:25 pm

Three months to go before election day and we still have NO DETAILS from Romney on anything. Does he think Americans will BLINDLY vote for a guy with no stomach for details?

Well, he’s right about 50% of the populace I guess.

Kyle Wingfield

August 8th, 2012
1:26 pm

Finn: And as I said, that’s a legitimate criticism of him. Claiming to forecast what his undetailed plan would do, however, is nonsense.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 8th, 2012
1:27 pm

Sorry Kyle.

The gloves are off this time. Obama will not allow himself to be ” Swift Boated ” like John Kerry.

We know the other side is going to lie and make stuff up.

Obama is not going to take it and has thrown the first punch. Good for him.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
1:28 pm

So I have $400 a month to live on with a family of 4 and, after I elect Mitt, I will have $300 a month to live on?

Maybe you conservatives try once in a while to explain stuff in terms that your constituents can understand??? It’s not that difficult but I understand your desire to keep them stupid.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 8th, 2012
1:29 pm

100 or so days till the election and he still has not laid out a plan.

He is trying to run out the clock without taking a position

It isn’t going to work.

JKL2

August 8th, 2012
1:29 pm

Kyle- This wishful-liberal-thinking “study” is an exercise in redefining as many proposals and words as necessary to reach a desired conclusion, not a credible analysis

These are the people who came uup with obamacare. Simply keep adjusting parameters until you get the number you like. Reality means very little to these people.

Kyle Wingfield

August 8th, 2012
1:30 pm

Finn @ 1:28: Nice exaggeration.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
1:30 pm

That’s the same Washington logic that says increasing spending by 3 percent rather than the scheduled 5 percent is a “spending cut.”

Kinda sorta like saying supply creates it’s own demand.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 8th, 2012
1:31 pm

“Now, it may or may not be a good thing for Romney’s electoral prospects that Romney has yet to explain this part of his plan.”
.
They don’t call Romney…..”Fee Fee” or..”John Kerry Jr” for nothing.
That’s how a full-blown statist rolls.
.
You “less of two evil” dummies get what you deserve.

JKL2

August 8th, 2012
1:31 pm

Finn- Does he think Americans will BLINDLY vote for a guy with no stomach for details?

Obama says,”What?”

Keep voting based on skin color. I guess it’s working for you…

retiredds

August 8th, 2012
1:33 pm

Kyle, the key word in your article is “mythmaking”, and both the Democrats and Republicans have cornered the world on that notion. To believe that mythmaking is the domain of the opposing party is … well … mythmaking.

JKL2

August 8th, 2012
1:34 pm

cheesy- Obama is not going to take it and has thrown the first punch.

It’s all he can do. Isn’t like he is going to try and campaign on his record. His best chance is character assassination. Democrat playbook 101.

jconservative

August 8th, 2012
1:34 pm

“As the WSJ notes, his plan also includes an expectation that it would “increase revenues by increasing the rate of economic growth to 4%, up from less than 2% this year and in 2011.”

I trust we will not continue to base spending on such fiction, the projected economic growth.

Well I do not trust, I guess I pray. With the inability of Congress to agree on the time of day I hold out little hope that an actual plan will be sent to the President, whoever he is, for signature.

.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
1:37 pm

That’s right Cheesy – the Cons are upset they aren’t dealing with a Kerry or a Dukakis. Instead they are dealing with the campaign/election team that opened a can of Whoop on the formidable Clinton campaign/election team.

Let’s offer them some cheese with their whine!

stands for decibels

August 8th, 2012
1:37 pm

That’s the same Washington logic that says increasing spending by 3 percent rather than the scheduled 5 percent is a “spending cut.”

I get your point, and I get that it could be more honestly expressed as, say, “leaving you with 2,000 dollars less per year”, but I guess I have a hard time going any further than that. This is hardball, not beanbag, and given what the other side routinely dishes out rhetorically I wouldn’t be inclined to soften up the language if I were working for Team Obama.

SlickRick

August 8th, 2012
1:40 pm

Kyle’s conclusion, as applied to him:

“Conservative punditocracy and whatnot is an exercise in redefining as many proposals and words as necessary to reach a desired conclusion, not a credible analysis.”

Filter

August 8th, 2012
1:41 pm

If Romney does not want this sort of “wishful liberal thinking” then he should man up and publish some details about what he plans to do. This is a man that has believe, in effect, campaigning to be President for eight or more years and he cannot detail his tax plan in August before a November election.

This isn’t media bias and if the attack is unfair then put out some specifics other than “trust me.”

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 8th, 2012
1:43 pm

It’s all he can do. Isn’t like he is going to try and campaign on his record.

Actually that will come later. He will show how much of a turd of an economy he inherited and how he put the wheels back on the road.

Getting bin laden will be mentioned. As will saving jobs and the auto industry.

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
1:45 pm

Now, it may or may not be a good thing for Romney’s electoral prospects that Romney has yet to explain this part of his plan.

Great Caesar’s ghost, Kyle! How could it be a good thing?! Informed voters want specifics. They want information, In black and white, that can be corroborated and verified.

NOT flip-flopping grandiose proclamations.

As the WSJ notes, his plan also includes an expectation that it would “increase revenues by increasing the rate of economic growth to 4%, up from less than 2% this year and in 2011.”

Hmmmm. That’s sounds kinda familiar.

Oh yeah, it’s been part and parcel of Republican economic “strategy” (LOL) since The Anointed King of Trickle Down first used it!

Old man Bush was right – voodoo economics.

No sale…

stands for decibels

August 8th, 2012
1:46 pm

Actually that will come later.

Actually, Obama’s adverts and stump speeches and web pages already point to accomplishments.

I’m not sure where anyone gets this “he can’t run on his record” folderol.

MiddleClass

August 8th, 2012
1:47 pm

Filter, you are 100% correct. How much time does Mr. Romney need to put a plan into place? If he takes this long to create a plan, I guess we know it would never be implemented.

One year??? Two years?? or Five or More?????

Will the “real” Mitt Romney please tell us his plan?????????

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
1:47 pm

Mitt’s shopping list the other day is the only concrete thing we really know about him and his plans.

Just sayin’.

Tealiban Party

August 8th, 2012
1:47 pm

“….Romney has not laid out his plan in detail.”

Romney has not defined anything about his candidacy or his plans if he becomes president. That is one of his biggest problems.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
1:52 pm

I heard Romney knows how to cure cancer but won’t share unless he is elected president..

Details to follow…….

ghostcommander

August 8th, 2012
1:53 pm

Amazing! The Taxc Policy Center is not the only group that has critiqued Romney’s so-called tax plan.
What is Kyle Wingfied doing by using Rupert Murdoch’s Wall St. Journal as a source to reinforce his conclusion.
Don’t you realize the Romney’s think that “You People” should just accept anything they say and be satisfied with that.

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SlickRick

August 8th, 2012
2:00 pm

ghostcommander – Kyle is nothing more than a conservative hack; he provides it daily (and sometimes more than just once per day). Lord help us.

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
2:00 pm

Romney: ” I HAVE A PLAN!…”

Oh sorry, that was John Kerry. Same thing.

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
2:04 pm

Romney commercial:

“Mitt Romney will increase jobs, and see to it that wages increase” (paraphrased)

Really, do i get a magic genie lamp with that too Mitt?? You can’t make this stuff up.

Tealiban Party

August 8th, 2012
2:07 pm

The Romney Campaign in a nutshell:

I am a SEVERE CONSERVATIVE. Just pay no attention to my views and opinions of X number of years ago, but I am a conservative. I have no plans, and no details, but I oppose everything Obama does, so that makes me a SEVERE CONSERVATIVE.

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
2:08 pm

Oh sorry, that was John Kerry.

Romney is the only politician in my lifetime who actually makes Kerry look like the Rock of Gibraltar.

Unprincipled and spineless, the man will say anything – even reinventing himself on the spot – to get a few more votes.

No wonder that even the Republicans can’t stand him.

Unfit to lead.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:08 pm

there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.
there are no details on how that would be achieved.

See the pattern here? Mr Obama?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:09 pm

“We know the other side is going to lie and make stuff up.”

Funny how ignorant left wingers always forget that the Swift Boat Vets actually served with Kerry.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:09 pm

“Unprincipled and spineless, the man will say anything – even reinventing himself on the spot – to get a few more votes.”

Sums up Obama quite well.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:10 pm

““Mitt Romney will increase jobs, and see to it that wages increase” (paraphrased)”

Obama said the same thing.

Shine

August 8th, 2012
2:12 pm

Well I am no liberal so what are the specifics of his tax plan? I am no liberal and I want to know what Mitt Romney is ashamed of in his tax returns. If Romney doesnt answer then it leaves me and people like me little choice but to go with the speculation and vote to reelect Obama.

JDW

August 8th, 2012
2:12 pm

@Kyle…”Claiming to forecast what his undetailed plan would do, however, is nonsense.”

Not really…there are only so many ways to squeeze a balloon. If you cut tax rates by 20%, increase GDP growth to 4% you still have to eliminate tax expenditures to fill the gap to remain revenue neutral. Just because Romney, as usual, has omitted the specifics it doesn’t take a genius to come up with the menu and model the results…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:12 pm

“Liberals have seized on a single study by the Tax Policy Center as proof that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would cut taxes for “the rich” and raise them on the rest of us. The study is a work of wishful liberal thinking.”

Libs don’t even understand the tax code let alone how much a person is taxed. Romney paid more in taxes in one year than every one of us on this blog combined.

Obama is over

August 8th, 2012
2:12 pm

Cheesy Finn,

So Obama’s first punch is a partisan study from a liberal think tank that has been against tax cuts for years? Even Keynesians would argue that the Obama tax increases (aka the expiring Bush tax cuts) would be idiotic in a recession. Romney issued a 52 point plan over a year ago. Then there is the Ryan plan and the Obama ordered Simpson-Boyles plan and of course the Reid/Pelosi/Obama Federal budget plan (or lack thereof) .You seem to be more concerned about Romney’s tax returns than the economic health of the entire country. If Obama were head of the Olympics, every athlete would get a medal because it isn’t fair for the poorer countries to have to compete with the U.S., Russia, and China who are faster, smarter, and make more money. “You didn’t earn that” defines Obama’s poltical philosophy and plans for the future of America. The Obama campaign has spent twice as much on negative advertising as Romney, yet Obama still can’t get over a 50% approval rating from a poll that doesn’t rely on tainted sample pools. Americans have been so disgusted with some of the Obama negative campaign messages that the DCCC had to publically apologize last week.” In press statements issued on June 29 and July 2, 2012, the DCCC made unsubstantiated allegations that attacked Sheldon Adelson, a supporter of the opposing party. This was wrong. The statements were untrue and unfair and we retract them. The DCCC extends its sincere apology to Mr. Adelson and his family for any injury we have caused,” the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee said in an unusual statement released on Thursday afternoon. Wash. Post 8-2

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:13 pm

“I am no liberal and I want to know what Mitt Romney is ashamed of in his tax returns. ”

I want to know where you got the idea that Romney is ashamed of his tax returns.

JDW

August 8th, 2012
2:14 pm

@JKL2…”His best chance is character assassination. Democrat playbook 101.”

Actually that was Republican playbook 101 as implemented by Newt, Saxby, Duhbya and now Mittens…Obama has simply chosen to fight fire with fire.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:15 pm

willie robme’s numbers are tanking because of his horrible summer and refusing to show his papers. Raising taxes on the middle class is a sure loser.

“Poll: Pessimistic Voters Don’t Blame Obama For Country’s Woes” Aol.

Sane Americans do not expect a booming economy after a collapse.

Thank you sane Americans.

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
2:16 pm

Go ahead and vote for me for President. To earn your vote I will:

Cut all foreign aid by 50%.
Reduce our land based nuclear arsenal by 35%
Give amnesty on the first 25 cents of every dollar repatriated into the U.S.
Uphold the traditional definition of marriage, but recognize legal domestic partnerships between same sex couples, with survivor/insurance benefits, etc.
Cut defense spending by 20% and eliminate no-bid contracts.

See, I have just offered the American people MORE of a plan than Mitt Romney has, and I just did it with the $37 dollars I have in my campaign “war chest” (AKA my pocket). I’m SheeshLouise, and I approve this message.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:16 pm

“Three months to go before election day and we still have NO DETAILS from Romney on anything. ”

4 years in and we have NO DETAILS from Obama about when he will create jobs and lower unemployment rates like he promised in 2008.

“If I can’t turn the economy around in my first term then I don’t deserve to be re-elected” – BHO

Well, we now know the moron is also a liar as well.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:17 pm

““Poll: Pessimistic Voters Don’t Blame Obama For Country’s Woes” Aol.”

Link please, getalife. Unless you want to get banned by Kyle.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:18 pm

Most voters blame President Obama for the bad economy, a new poll revealed yesterday.
A 53 percent majority think Obama took the wrong actions and slowed down the economy, a poll by Pulse Opinion Research found for the Hill newspaper.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_to_blame_on_econ_poll_GqZWSCGJqH7IcS6VbvVuIO#ixzz22yp6qaBK

JDW

August 8th, 2012
2:19 pm

From Bill Gale…

“what I want to emphasize is it’s a matter of arithmetic. It is not some incredibly fancy calculation.

It’s simply that, if you cut tax rates for high-income households, you lose so much revenue there, that you can’t make it up by shutting down the tax exemptions that high-income tax households have”

It’s not rocket science folks it’s a mathematic impossibility…just like amassing a $100 million 401K using only legal means.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:19 pm

Logic,

Aol bought out the Huffington Post and it is the headline.

I have a question: If willie promised to seize all your assets would you cons still vote for him?

I think you would.

Chalk Talk

August 8th, 2012
2:19 pm

LAW-ABIDING AMERICAN TAXPAYER = Trusting, Naive 8-year-old Boy

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND “SECURITY” = Jerry Sandusky

POTUS 43 / POTUS 44 = Coach Joe Paterno

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:21 pm

“From Bill Gale”

Try again.

JF McNamara

August 8th, 2012
2:21 pm

So Kyle, what is the optimal tax rate that this all hinges on? What is the tax rate to which if you lower beyond that you no longer gain any additional revenue?

Most would agree that we are below that point since raising taxes right now would generate more revenue. If that’s true, we are BELOW the optimal tax rate. If that’s the case, your whole Laffer based case falls apart, and to make up the revenue someone will have to pay more.

The people paying more will be you and I. Its that simple.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:22 pm

“Aol bought out the Huffington Post and it is the headline.”

And that alone gives you zero credibility, sport. Try again.

“If willie promised to seize all your assets would you cons still vote for him?”

I would never vote for Bill Clinton.

JDW

August 8th, 2012
2:23 pm

And from Politifact…

“The study is making the point that Romney’s plan is untenable: to cut rates that much without adding to the deficit, something has to give. It necessarily makes some assumptions, and therefore these conclusions are not definite as long as the details of the plan remain unknown. For that reason, people should be cautious in calling this Romney’s plan.

We rate the claim Mostly True.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/03/barack-obama/obama-romney-would-cut-millionaires-taxes/

Damn that’s a long way from…”wishful liberal thinking”

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
2:23 pm

@Logic
Please alllow me to derail your argument with a one SPECIFIC thing Obama stated in his campaign as a mission of his Presidency:

EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN DOING EQUAL WORK.

Then he did it! Concrete, to the point. Lilly Ledbetter Act. Rhetoric only gets you so far buddy. And just to save you the trouble, yes.., somethings didn’t quite work out (i.e. closing Gitmo). Every reasonable person knows every POTUS wins some, and loses some. THE POINT IS, Obama laid out MANY specifics at the outset, and was most certainly doing so by this time in the campaign. Again, you might be able to sell BS to knucklehead, but not me. Good luck with that.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:25 pm

Our President is running ads saying willie will raise your taxes 2000 dollars per year and the proof is in the wsj.

That is what you cons will vote for and the reason I think he could promise to seize all your assets and you cons would vote for that too.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
2:27 pm

Sheesh, Logic is used to dealing with Cons who think Fox News is “fair and balanced”.

Don’t expect too much.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:28 pm

“I would never vote for Bill Clinton.”

I guess this intellect is as good as it gets here.

Nothing but deflection of my argument.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:29 pm

“THE POINT IS, Obama laid out MANY specifics at the outset,”

Close Gitmo – still open

End Bush tax cuts – extended them

Stimulus would grow the economy – never happened

Lower unemployment rate – still sky high

I can keep going on and on and on, sport.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:30 pm

“I guess this intellect is as good as it gets here.’

You said willie, sport. The only person I know in politics who has ever gone by the name willie, is slick willie.

Keep trying, sport. Maybe one day your fried brain cells will grow back.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:31 pm

“And from Politifact”

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try again.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
2:32 pm

Logic,

He promised to pass a new health care law. Done.
Push Wall Street reform. That’s done too.
He also said he would establish a credit card bill of rights, ramp up loan programs for small businesses and expand eligibility for Medicaid. Done, done and done

I can keep going on and on and on, son.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:32 pm

Logic,

willie robme not slick willie.

I thought this was clear but happy to break it down for you.

SlickRick

August 8th, 2012
2:33 pm

@ Logic was never intended for libs – “4 years in and we have NO DETAILS from Obama about when he will create jobs and lower unemployment rates like he promised in 2008.”

POINTS OF FACT: 1. Obama has created, like, millions of jobs since he has been President, dude; 2. unemployment rate has, like, fallen since it peaked, dude.

Them there’s facts even a know-nothing conservative can’t dispute (but will anyway, no doubt).

How’d you like them @pples?

Schn@rt

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:34 pm

“He promised to pass a new health care law. Done.”

Yep, and he killed his own party by doing it.

“Push Wall Street reform. That’s done too.”

And the economy is in shambles. Done.

“He also said he would establish a credit card bill of rights, ramp up loan programs for small businesses and expand eligibility for Medicaid. Done, done and done”

You obviously have never owned a small business, met a payroll or owned a credit card.

“I can keep going on and on and on, son.”

I don’t doubt that from the person who acted like a little child yesterday with rants about right wingers shooting up mosques.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:34 pm

“Then you should head back over to your masters house, sport.”

I think I will stay a few minutes to see if there are any better arguments than yours.

SwamiDave

August 8th, 2012
2:34 pm

The whole “Romney Hood” metaphor is laughable from its foundation. It assumes that allowing people (rich or otherwise) to keep more of what THEY EARN is “stealing” from the poor. That falsely assumes that the confiscated earnings were THEIRS; they are not. This is just another example of the philosophical emptiness of the collectivist / liberal theology.

It is not unlike the equal silliness of the attempted association of Romney with the death of a cancer patient as is being done by a pro-Obama PAC. It is patently dishonest and has no basis in reality when (a) Romney was not leading Bain when the steel mill was closed, (b) his health insurance was SECONDARY to hers provided by her job at the time of his job loss & years beyond, and (c) her death occurred almost 6 years after the events mentioned in the ad.

The ad is without foundation BEFORE remember that Romney & Bain are not obligated to provide health coverage for individuals!

As said earlier, when there is little to nothing of value on which to base a campaign, what we are getting from PrezBO and his shills is the most you can expect.

-SD

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:34 pm

“I thought this was clear but happy to break it down for you.”

Considering that most of your comments are written in the way a ten year old would type them..

My point: take remedial english.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:35 pm

“Obama has created, like, millions of jobs since he has been President, dude; 2. unemployment rate has, like, fallen since it peaked, dude.”

So that MUST be why unemployment has been over 8% his entire presidency.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:36 pm

“unemployment rate has, like, fallen since it peaked, dude.

You must be one of those GED kids who never passed math.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:37 pm

SD,

willie is campaigning on his pac welfare lie.

Our President is not campaign on his pac lie.

See the difference or are you too blind to see it.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:38 pm

“Them there’s facts even a know-nothing conservative can’t dispute

Happy to disappoint you, sport.

Employers add 163K jobs, unemployment at 8.3%

http://finance.yahoo.com/video/companynews-18928726/employers-add-163k-jobs-unemployment-at-8-3-30176485.html

zeke

August 8th, 2012
2:38 pm

since romney likes to bet big….ie $10k with rick perry during primary, how about an independent cpa/tax lawyer review romneys returns filing a nonclosure agreement. if romney paid little (guess someone needs to define that) or no taxes for some of the last 10 years then he pays harry reid’s charity and vice versa.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
2:38 pm

swami claims the Romeny/cancer story is BS and then spends 2 paragraphs dissecting it?

LOL. Ok…..

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:39 pm

“Our President is not campaign on his pac lie.’

Remedial english. Please enroll today.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:39 pm

w lost 9 million jobs. Fact.

Our President recovered 4.5 million jobs. Fact.

He will need another term to recover the rest.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:40 pm

“swami claims the Romeny/cancer story is BS and then spends 2 paragraphs dissecting it?”

Says the guy who doesn’t know the difference between a Sikh temple and a Mosque.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:40 pm

Logic,

My writing is bad.

campaigning.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:41 pm

“w lost 9 million jobs. Fact.

Pats by 3.

“Our President recovered 4.5 million jobs. Fact.”

Saints will win the 2011 SB.

Bottom line: getalife is not good with predictions/facts.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:41 pm

“My writing is bad.

Well duh. Stevie Wonder could have told you that.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:42 pm

I never claimed to be perfect.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:42 pm

“I never claimed to be perfect.”

Stop deflecting.

Kyle Wingfield

August 8th, 2012
2:43 pm

JDW: Politifact took the TPC study hook, line and sinker. How is that a rebuttal to what I’ve written?

You’ve also ignored that TPC ignored the dynamic effects of the plan. Like I said, those effects may or may not happen. But to argue that the only result is higher taxes on the middle class is wrong.

Darwin

August 8th, 2012
2:44 pm

None of this matters. If the government could eliminate deficits without imposing drastic cuts to popular programs, it would have been done a long time ago. You cannot balance the budget by closing loopholes, cutting waste/fraud/abuse. One would have to drastically reduce defense spending, as well as cutting programs for the eldery (including increasing medical care). It’s unfortunate that people still believe this smoke and mirror routine by Republicans. It plays because once the Republicans get into office, they stop talking about government spending. Blame the voters not the politicians.

getalife

August 8th, 2012
2:44 pm

“But to argue that the only result is higher taxes on the middle class is wrong.”

So, the WSJ was wrong?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
2:44 pm

Logic, direct quotes from you:

You must be one of those GED kids who never passed math.
My point: take remedial english.
the person who acted like a little child
Maybe one day your fried brain cells will grow back.
Remedial english. Please enroll today.

And I’m the one acting like a child? Can you finish a sentence without demeaning someone who disagrees with you?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:47 pm

“And I’m the one acting like a child? Can you finish a sentence without demeaning someone who disagrees with you?”

1: Yes.

2: Demeaning? I told a guy to enroll in a remedial english class because his grammar is horrible. Sorry if that offends you, sport.

I love it how you act like a victim though. Trying to take the focus off of that rant you posted yesterday?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
2:49 pm

Trying to take the focus off of that rant you posted yesterday?

Hah, no. I posted the same thing on Jay’s Blog.

I used to say “Strange how every time Conservatives lose the white house abortion clinics start blowing up and all kinds of hate-filled people come out of the woodwork”

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:52 pm

“Hah, no. I posted the same thing on Jay’s Blog.

I’m sure your left wing comrades were amused.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
2:53 pm

Conservatives are only comfortable discussing terrorism when it comes from Muslims – never when it comes from Conservatives.

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
2:54 pm

Yeah @Finn
I am looking at @(IL)Logic’s 2:29p He (or she) is REALLY hurting in the comprehension department. Totally lacks the capacity to keep the argument in the realm of a CANDIDATE WHO PRESENTS A CONCRETE PRESIDENTIAL POLICY PLATFORM DURING A CAMPAIGN rather that the take-my-word-for-it approach. He morphed it into a WHETHER THE EFFORTS WERE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT! I thought I pre-empted that Finn in the latter half of my post??

Sheesh, you’re right Finn. This guy is not so smart.

retired early

August 8th, 2012
2:56 pm

Kyle

Please stop with too often repeated lie that people making under $30,000 pay no taxes.
It is very easy to check with the IRS…hell I’ll do the math for, here we go.
Gross income $30,000
Standard deduction $6350
Personal exemption $ 3750
Net taxable income $20,000
From the IRS tax tables this person owes $2530 in taxes. Not “negative taxes”.
A person making $20,000 would roughly $1200.
S…O…M…E peoples…those with several children, do have enough exemptions to pay nothing.
I hope this stops the lies……but I won’t hold my breath, you probably will just ignore my post, because it “works” better in your arguments.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:57 pm

“Conservatives are only comfortable discussing terrorism when it comes from Muslims – never when it comes from Conservatives.”

Don’t know of any conservative terrorists, sport. Perhaps you can enlighten us all with your new revelation.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
2:57 pm

He morphed it into a WHETHER THE EFFORTS WERE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT!

Maybe the fear is that Romney might state something in the affirmative and it might, God forbid, not materialize during his Presidency!

Luckily, we have other candidates (with a pair of stones) to choose from.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:59 pm

“He (or she) is REALLY hurting in the comprehension department. Totally lacks the capacity to keep the argument in the realm of a CANDIDATE WHO PRESENTS A CONCRETE PRESIDENTIAL POLICY PLATFORM DURING A CAMPAIGN rather that the take-my-word-for-it approach. ”

Guess you have a selective reading comprehension problem, sport. Maybe instead of acting like a child, you could actually go back and read a few of my comments about how your messiah is a total liar and about how his promises were lies.

“Sheesh, you’re right Finn. This guy is not so smart.”

I’d bet my degree is stronger than yours, sport.

Ray

August 8th, 2012
3:00 pm

The mortgage interest deduction is a huge percent of the middle classes itemized deductions. Eliminating it on a federal level would be devastating, on so many levels.

Playing cute, and not revealing the itemized deductions Ryan and Romney plan to eliminate or reduce(there are only so many possibilities that will create enough revenue to offset yet another round of Bush-like tax cuts for the those at the top 1 to 3%). Kyle, your speculation that Ryan, and hence Romney, since he is publicly on board, are counting on the growth of the economy to fund the next round of huge tax cuts, is so very optimistic, it borders on preposterous. On top of that, our infrastructure in this country is decaying, and while we have ignored it for the sake of keeping taxes low, and abandoned our space exploration dreams, someone needs to be the adult here.

Jay Bookman’s blog on August 6th, set out the following national figures (showing the total “cost” of the most expensive tax deductions and excluions, and his opinion on Romney’s tax plan): “So let’s look once again at the 20 biggest tax expenditures on the books, as compiled by the Congressional Research Service:

Go to the following link to see the chart: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/08/06/mitt-romneys-plan-to-raise-your-taxes-and-cut-his/

Jay Bookman went on to say “As you can tell, most of those deductions and expenditures — the mortgage deduction, the health insurance deduction — benefit the middle class more than they do the wealthy, which means the middle class would be hurt worse by their elimination or reduction.”

As a retired CPA, I agree.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:00 pm

“Please stop with too often repeated lie that people making under $30,000 pay no taxes.”

Funny, Kyle never made such statements, liar.

What is it with left wingers and not being able to decipher what words mean?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:02 pm

Well, Denial really isn’t just a river in Africa!

Cons can’t even accept the fact that the Sikh shooter was a right-wing, conservative, hate-filled terrorist.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:02 pm

“Please stop with too often repeated lie that people making under $30,000 pay no taxes.”

Try Pearl Vision, sport.

This is what Kyle actually posted: Romney plan raises taxes on those who earn less than $30,000 — a group that now has a negative tax liability.

Do you know what that means, sport?

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
3:02 pm

Darwin, well said.

And all this posturing about Romney is interesting but in the end, useless.

Romney is about 2/1, Obama is 2/5.

I know you heavy hitters have your favorite little pat (get it) upset you quote all of the time. But the bookies must drool when they see you walking up…

Don’t know of any conservative terrorists, sport.

Time for an education then…

On July 27, 2008, a politically motivated fatal shooting took place at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, United States. Motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others.

The deceased was identified as Greg McKendry (60), a longtime church member and usher who deliberately stood in front of the gunman to protect others. Later that night, a 61-year-old woman, Linda Kraeger, died from wounds suffered during the attack. Kraeger was a member of Westside Unitarian Universalist Church in Farragut.

Adkisson, a former private in the United States Army from 1974 to 1977, says that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. According to a sworn affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008:

“ During the interview Adkisson stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. Adkisson made statements that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them into office. Adkisson stated that he had held these beliefs for about the last ten years. ”

Adkisson’s manifesto also cited the inability to find a job, and that his food stamps were being cut. His manifesto stated that he intended to keep shooting until police arrived and expected to be killed by police. Adkisson had a waist satchel with more ammunition, totaling 76 shells of #4 shot.

In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate, and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:04 pm

“Denial really isn’t just a river in Africa!”

Another left wing bumper sticker I saw on a pizza delivery guy’s beat up VW in Little Five Points. I’m always amused by left wingers who post stickers such as “Somewhere a Texas village is missing it’s idiot” on their crappy car while delivering pizzas.

“Cons can’t even accept the fact that the Sikh shooter was a right-wing, conservative, hate-filled terrorist.”

Ok, I’ll play this game.

Jared Loughner was/is a Democrat. A left wing liberal Democrat.

James Holmes is/was a Democrat. A left wing liberal Democrat.

Bull Connor was a left wing Democrat.

Robert Byrd, KKK grand wizard, was a hard left wing Democrat.

Bottom line: All left wingers are members of the KKK and shoot people.

You like that, Finn?

GROW UP.

Andrew Grey

August 8th, 2012
3:05 pm

I am an Independent who voted for Bush the first election and sat out the 2008 election. I can honestly say that if Romney doesn’t come clean about the last 10 years of Taxes I will be voting for BO. Romney’s past positions on a lot of issues are liberal leaning anyhow. I think Obama is pretty centrist and that’s good enough for me. There are nuts on either extreme left or right.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

JamVet gets the “plagiarism of the day” award. Guess at his old age, copy and pasting a link is too hard for him.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:07 pm

JamVet should love this since his party created it.

History Of The Democrats And The KKK…..(Why the Democrats started the KKK)

The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.

The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbu More..ilders and published in his book “Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White,” which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.

“Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective,” Barton said in his book. “Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings.”

Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves and, to this day, the party website ignores those decades of racism, he said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2309727/posts

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:08 pm

a search at Townhall.com reveals the only commentary mention of the Sikh shooter is in conservatives fear it will spur more gun laws.

Cons are not willing or capable of addressing the hate side of their agenda.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:09 pm

The Muslims who flew planes into the WTC were all Democrats since Muslims vote Democrat.

See Finn, I can play this game too.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:10 pm

“a search at Townhall.com reveals the only commentary mention of the Sikh shooter is in conservatives fear it will spur more gun laws.

Then you’ll have no problem posting such findings, sport. Oh wait, you and JamVet don’t know how to copy and paste a simple link. With all that so-called brain power you two have, it’s just too hard to copy and paste a link.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:11 pm

“I can honestly say that if Romney doesn’t come clean about the last 10 years of Taxes I will be voting for BO.’

And no one cares.

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
3:12 pm

Don’t get your panties in a wad just because I posted all that stuff about a conservative terrorist, sport. It’s not as if there is any lack of examples.

And now that your ignorance has been exposed and you you’ve been educated about this particular conservative terrorist, are you for it or agin it?

LOL…

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

August 8th, 2012
3:12 pm

Romney is draft dodging tool, so it makes sense idiots like logic would support him.. loser

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:13 pm

Logic, most of us edumacated libruls understand that the parties reversed in the 60’s. Until the passage of Civil Rights act and Voting Rights act, the Democrat party was the home of the racists, the conservatives, and the sanctimonious types. And Republican party was the home of the liberals.

Once Democrats passed those acts of legislation, the sides switched practically overnight. Ever heard of Nixon’s southern strategy?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:14 pm

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
3:16 pm

Kyle you are embarassing yourself. Please stop.

Romney is proposing trickle down economics all over again and we can see with actual data and by using our memories, IT DOES NOT WORK.

Do you need a special helmut to walk? Sheesh…

southpaw

August 8th, 2012
3:17 pm

Retired early @2:56 – possibly, but not necessarily.
$30,000 income
11,600 standard deduction (married filing joint, for this example)
11,100 exemption for both spouses and 1 child
7,300 taxable income
$733 tax on the taxable income, from IRS tables
$1000 child tax credit becomes a $267 refund.

Finn@2:53 – People other than conservatives commit terrorism!? NOOOOO!!!!!

JDW

August 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

@Kyle…”You’ve also ignored that TPC ignored the dynamic effects of the plan. Like I said, those effects may or may not happen.”

I thing they looked at the history and made a considered judgment that, as in the past and contrary to the WSJ’s assertion, tax rate decreases do not lead to overall revenue gains.

Logical Dude

August 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

Finn McCool “Three months to go before election day and we still have NO DETAILS from Romney on anything.”
Kyle Wingfield “Finn: And as I said, that’s a legitimate criticism of him. Claiming to forecast what his undetailed plan would do, however, is nonsense.”

No, I think it’s a fair assessment of trying to put together what Romney has said, since details are lacking, taking what he says as “details” is the best people can do.

Now, you can talk all you want about what Romney is going to do, but I think that HE HAS NO DETAILS.
Why? Because anything he says is about votes, and not about policy. Just like any politician trying to get elected. And he’s either going to have to provide details, or else he will get smacked for being a politician (and the standard prefix “lying”) and not a leader who is capable of leading the country to greater economic success.

retired early

August 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

Logic

What is your definition of a “negative tax liability”…less than -0- perhaps…sport.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

“Don’t get your panties in a wad just because I posted all that stuff about a conservative terrorist, sport. It’s not as if there is any lack of examples.”

Oh I’m not, sport. I know full-well that you a: Never went to college and B: hate Christians and white people.

Sucks to be you.

“And now that your ignorance has been exposed and you you’ve been educated about this particular conservative terrorist, are you for it or agin it?”

You remind me of the Jared Loughner type, JamVet. Angry and hard core leftist.

Seek help, sport.

Cherokee resident

August 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

Finn – “So I have $400 a month to live on with a family of 4 and, after I elect Mitt, I will have $300 a month to live on?

Maybe you conservatives try once in a while to explain stuff in terms that your constituents can understand??? It’s not that difficult but I understand your desire to keep them stupid.”

If you make $400 a month, you’ll still make $400 a month. The government just won’t be passing out any free money to you when you file your taxes at the end of the year. That’s why people want to keep Obama in, cause he’ll keep feeding the poor what they dont earn. If you want the extra $100 get a 2nd job.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

“Romney is draft dodging tool”

Bill Clinton actually dodged the draft and people like you love him.

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
3:20 pm

Romney has nice hair.

That is all.

NEXT!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:21 pm

“from townhall.com”

Nothing about the guy being a Republican or a conservative. Remember, Nazis hated Jews. Democrats hate Jews. Just ask Israel.

Obama is over

August 8th, 2012
3:21 pm

Corn prices have risen 50% over the past 60 days and yet the Obama EPA still requires 40% of the U.S. corn production to go towards the ethanol mandate. Ethanol lowers average mpg, does not lower carbon emissions, and increases the cost of gas. Obama would have bipartisan support to end this program which would lower the cost of food and gas for consumers in the face of the worst drought in 50 years. But that would require leadership and a sense of responsibility. Thanks Obama.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:23 pm

“What is your definition of a “negative tax liability”

Maybe this can help you, sport.

Number of Americans Paying Zero Federal Income Tax Grows to 43.4 Million

Who Are the Non-Payers?
Using IRS data, we are able to create a profile of these individuals who are outside the federal income tax system. As Table 1 shows, those who file as single or head-of-household are much more likely to be non-payers. One-third of single filers pay nothing in federal income taxes, and almost two-thirds of those who file as head of household pay nothing. In contrast, just 22 percent of married filers are non-payers.
Why do many single filers face zero tax liability? One reason is that single filers tend to be younger and earn lower incomes than married filers—especially single parents who file as head-of-household. As a result, married taxpayers pay roughly 75 percent of all federal income taxes, despite filing only 40 percent of returns.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/number-americans-paying-zero-federal-income-tax-grows-434-million

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:24 pm

“Logic, most of us edumacated libruls understand that the parties reversed in the 60’s. Until the passage of Civil Rights act and Voting Rights act, the Democrat party was the home of the racists, the conservatives, and the sanctimonious types. And Republican party was the home of the liberals.”

Lincoln was a liberal? Oh wait, I forgot that you can’t do simple math.

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
3:25 pm

Hey conwads, the EITC came about in 1975. Who was president then?

Just shut your pieholes already.

retired early

August 8th, 2012
3:25 pm

Southpaw
I went on to say “with enough exemptions (dependents) they may owe no taxes.
The Quote from the Washington made not reference to filing status.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:26 pm

“Once Democrats passed those acts of legislation, the sides switched practically overnight. ”

Sport, more Repubs voted for the Civil Rights Act than Dems. Geez, you really do suck at math.

Robert Byrd died not too long ago and was the grand wizard of the KKK. Not remembering a time when he switched parties.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:27 pm

“Hey conwads”

“Just shut your pieholes already.”

Like I said, left wingers are really little crybabies who have to resort to that kind of behavior.

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
3:27 pm

I see this “Logic” gal is not too bright and didn’t pay attention during History and Civics.

See folks, this is what happens to you when you drop out and settle for a GED.

Cherokee resident

August 8th, 2012
3:27 pm

logical – “Because anything he says is about votes, and not about policy. Just like any politician trying to get elected. And he’s either going to have to provide details, or else he will get smacked for being a politician (and the standard prefix “lying”) and not a leader who is capable of leading the country to greater economic success.”

Aren’t you refering to Obama here? He’s the one who promised change and hasn’t done anything but cash strap this country like no one ever before him! Obama’s the perfect example of your discription you posted. You still gonna vote for him? I’m sure that now you’ll just go on justifying his shortcomings. Proceed…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:27 pm

JDW

August 8th, 2012
3:29 pm

To my earlier point

Also the WSJ bit is based in large part on this fallacy….”The Tax Policy Center also ignores the history of tax cutting. Every major marginal rate income tax cut of the last 50 years—1964, 1981, 1986 and 2003—was followed by an unexpectedly large increase in tax revenues”

Simply not true.

Lets start with 1981. In 1980 prior to the tax reduction receipts in constant 2005 dollars were $1.1976 trillion. Now if you take the prior years receipts and multiply them by the GDP growth of that year you could have calculated an “expected” receipts level of $1.184 trillion so 1980 receipts were 101.2% of “expected”. So lets see what happens when you cut taxes…

In 1981 receipts were 101.9% well that’s a little better maybe Supply Side is on to something…
In 1982 they were 98%
In 1983 the were 88.6%
In 1984 the were 98.4%

OOPSSS that didn’t work…no unexpected gain here

Lets look at 1986

So by 1985 we had recovered from the last “revenue producing” tax cut and receipts were back to 102.2% of expected.

Then in 1986…tax cut…98.7%
1987 they were 104%…again maybe…just maybe
1988 no right back on that ole downward trail…99.2%

How about the “revenue killing” Clinton tax increase of 1993

Well in 1992 receipts were 96.3%
Then Clinton raised taxes…would you look at that revenue in 1993 was back to 100.1% of expected
Then in 1994 102%
And by 2000 it was up to 107%

Wow raising taxes actually collects more revenue who would have thunk it!

Now to Duhbya…the tax cuts were actually implemented over 2001-2003 and I understand .com bubble is in play here as well but facts are facts.

In 2001 recepits were 94.2%
2002 they were 89.3%
2003 they were 90.6%

Only for a single year…2005 did receipts ever equal the 2000 level.

So to say that tax cuts equal “unexplained” revenue gains is simply false.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:29 pm

“I see this “Logic” gal is not too bright and didn’t pay attention during History and Civics.”

Then again, you can’t refute anything, ma’am.

“See folks, this is what happens to you when you drop out and settle for a GED.”

Oh goody, another left winger tries to use one of my insults. I’m flattered.

BTW, I’ll put my degree up against yours any day, ma’am.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:30 pm

Lincoln freed the slaves – an act that put undue hardships on businesses in the form of higher expenses. I thought that was the conservative’s definition of a liberal?????

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:30 pm

“Lincoln freed the slaves ”

Yep, a conservative God loving man, Lincoln, freed the slaves.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 8th, 2012
3:30 pm

The question that answers itself – Cut government to the bone.

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

“Logic” gal seems to believe a $0.15 increase to feed her family of ten is too much to pay so delivery folks can see a doctor.

Why is she so cheap and mean? Did someone put some sand in her vagina again?

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

@Logic
Let’s first address the “degree” thing. The “height” of your degree means nothing to me. I only possess an Associate’s “Degree”, but I make $118k a year. A “degree” is highly overrated; I know many idiots with Master’s Degrees, who don’t know half of what I do. I know many Master’s degreed individuals who don’t even make the money I do! A “degree” does not make one smart. Anyone willing to spend the money and can earn at least a “C” can get one. Secondly, it was me who established the parameters of the argument, so everything you did after that was deflection. I’m sure you miss that important detail as well though. Again, to reiterate. Obama established a SPECIFIC platform detailing SPECIFIC initiatives during his campaign. Romney, STILL has not. Come again?

retired early

August 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

Logic
What’s your point….single filers pay less of the tax burden ?
Hell, they make less…so they pay less.The example I gave of $30,000 is right in the IRS 1040.
Those single individuals pay roughly 12% of net income…Romney paid 15%.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Obama Is No Clinton
Our current president wants to tax and spend even more than Clinton did.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/313324/obama-no-clinton-michael-tanner

Back Seater

August 8th, 2012
3:32 pm

Finn,
Seeing as you are a Democrat, you must have plenty of free Governement cheese, so pass it around, oh I see your commrade Chessy Grits is already using his.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:33 pm

OMG! Millions of people will get better healthcare? So what? This one guy and his nasty-tasting pizza might have to spend an additional $.15 to deliver their product!

We must halt Obamacare right now!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:33 pm

” I only possess an Associate’s “Degree”, but I make $118k a year. ”

Sure you do, cupcake.

” A “degree” is highly overrated

Not if you’re a doctor, a nurse, an engineer, a pilot, a lawyer etc..

You know, jobs that matter.

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
3:33 pm

OOOOOO the “Logic” gal is a keyboard toughgal!!

I went to Harvard, Yale, and University of Chicago.
I make $10,000,000 a day.
I won the Medal of Honor.

See, I can play pretend too little lady.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:34 pm

“Romney paid 15%.’

But..but…you left wingers said that Romney didn’t pay taxes for 10 years.
Geez you guys are a confused bunch.

Sam

August 8th, 2012
3:34 pm

Obama lies; truth dies.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

“See, I can play pretend too little lady.”

The left winger gets angrier and angrier by each post. Can’t wait to see you explode all over the blog.

Obama is over

August 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

CNOOC bid $15 B for Canadian oil firm Nexen last week. Nexen is the firm that was going to ship oil via the Keystone pipeline to U.S. domiciled refineries. Of course we all know how Obama shot down the opportunity to do a North American joint venture that would have created jobs and made the U.S. more energy independent. The Keystone pipeline had support from both parties, the unions, and the majority of Americans.The Canadian government was shocked at Obama’s anti-trade self-centered response and has since focused on diversifying trade away from the U.S. The Chinese have a stronger balance sheet than the U.S. and the Canadians are more than happy to increase global trade. The U.S. can’t keep its fiscal house in order and the current administration has no solutions other than to continue to increase debt. The Canadian economy is better run than the U.S. right now and they are smart to seek out strong trading partners. Thanks Obama.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:36 pm

“This one guy and his nasty-tasting pizza’

I see a pattern here. Whenever a company speaks out against their messiah Obozo, the left demonizes said company.

Case in point: Chicfila and Papa Johns.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:37 pm

Guess this makes left wingers like Finn and JamVet excited. They want everyone to be on welfare like they are.

Over 100 Million Now Receiving Federal Welfare

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-100-million-now-receiving-federal-welfare_649589.html

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:38 pm

A liberal wrote the words to This Land is Your Land.

Had a conservative wrote it the words would probably go like this:

This land is my land
This land is my land
From California to the New York island;
From the red wood forest to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for Me Me Me.

Back Seater

August 8th, 2012
3:39 pm

When will the O’Bama admistration give the penions back to the 20,000 Delphi non union workers. The same company that gave the pensions to the union workers..

Why does Jarrett need Secret Service protection, could it be to keep her mouth shut?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:39 pm

Wrong again. I like the food at Chick-fil-a

I have never been kind about that nasty papa john’s pizza…

Beyond the Middle of the Road

August 8th, 2012
3:39 pm

I just find it astonishing how a few select individuals spend so much time on these forums posting.

Hillbilly D

August 8th, 2012
3:40 pm

I have a friend who barely got out of high school and I’ve seen him make as much in a day as most of us would make in a decade or two. Doesn’t matter, though, he still the same to me as he was way back when, no better, no worse, he’s just got more money.

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
3:42 pm

Not angry little lady “Logic” gal. Just laughing at you and your inability to see the truth.

Keep going, please.

Boast more about your post-GED education please.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:43 pm

I’ll put my degree up against yours any day

Yeah, I bet. Put that WalMart degree on up there!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:45 pm

Takes a big man to post anonymously on a blog claiming they have a better degree than everyone else.

Logic’s got some b@ll$ of steel!

zeke

August 8th, 2012
3:48 pm

i think there is a conspiracy of well to do msm types who will get hit with more taxes if obama wins. it is human nature not to want to pay more. they sure don’t get very excited talking about it as part of the deficit reduction package.

jd

August 8th, 2012
3:48 pm

Romney campaign has used this same tax group, run by a Bush economic advisor, to attack Obama. The hypocrisy never ends with “you people”, does it?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:49 pm

“Takes a big man to post anonymously on a blog claiming they have a better degree than everyone else.”

Poor baby.

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
3:50 pm

@(IL)Logic

You obviously do not understand this technological world that we live in. You can bet your sweet patootie I am an “Engineer”, the Information Systems type to be exact. I can perform full analysis of your information requirements and design and implement and end-to-end solution to meet the need. You might want to self-regulate rather than try to go toe to toe with me. It’s a losing battle.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:50 pm

“Just laughing at you and your inability to see the truth.’

Back at cha, sport.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:51 pm

“the Information Systems type to be exact. I can perform full analysis of your information requirements and design and implement and end-to-end solution to meet the need. You might want to self-regulate rather than try to go toe to toe with me. It’s a losing battle.

Oh, so you’re threatening my IP address etc, sport?

FYI, Kyle will report you to the FEDS.

Just ask the other bloggers who did that to Tiberius.

Obama is over

August 8th, 2012
3:52 pm

Andrew Grey @ 3:05

You are obviously a plant. Do you really think that a stiff Mormon worth $250mm does not have access to the best accountants available? And Obama a “Centrist”. Please. His entire presidency will be remembered by saying “You didn’t build that.” I am not worth $250mm but have invested in Low Income Housing Tax Credits and Ga. State Film credits to mitigate my tax liabilities. These are two government programs designed to encourage private investment by offering credits, not deductions. How do you think Section 8 housing is built in the U.S.? The Ga. film credit program has created well over $1.2 B in jobs for the State since inception, but all you people seem to care about is stifling the economy by increasing tax burdens rather than stimulating growth.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:54 pm

President Clinton was invited to speak at the Democrat convention. Why no W invite to the Republican convention?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:55 pm

“President Clinton was invited to speak at the Democrat convention.”

Will they be passing out cigars?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
3:56 pm

“You might want to self-regulate rather than try to go toe to toe with me. It’s a losing battle.”

Sounds like a threat.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:57 pm

Kyle, I think you just need to ban anyone who doesn’t agree with “Logic”. Maybe that will stop the temper tantrums?

SlickRick

August 8th, 2012
3:57 pm

@ Logic was never intended for libs – “I’d bet my degree is stronger than yours, sport.”

Say what now? My degree is “stronger” than your degree? Oh, you mean it bench presses more? No. Well then it squats more? No. Well then, its on more performance enhancing drugs? No. Do tell, then, how your degree is “stronger” than mine.

Do you know what a “troglodyte” is?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

I don’t like Starbucks – that coffee tastes burnt.

Back Seater

August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

MiddleClass

August 8th, 2012
1:47 pm

Filter, you are 100% correct. How much time does Mr. Romney need to put a plan into place? If he takes this long to create a plan, I guess we know it would never be implemented.

One year??? Two years?? or Five or More?????

Will the “real” Mitt Romney please tell us his plan?????????

Would you please fill me in on O’Bamas plan, I must have missed that message, surely he has one after 3.5 years, or mabe it went the way of a budget. It must have been on the same message

Rush

August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

Is this the same Clinton who never received 50% of the popular vote?

Bookman

August 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

Coffee is unimportant….we must purchase it to support our cause.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

Bill Gates makes mucho more than “Logic”. I bet his degree is stronger than…..oh, wait.

Larry Ellison makes……oh, wait.

Back Seater

August 8th, 2012
4:01 pm

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
3:54 pm

President Clinton was invited to speak at the Democrat convention. Why no W invite to the Republican convention?

It;s kinda like why Gore didn’t want Clinton around in 2000 or Kerry in 2008

Rush

August 8th, 2012
4:01 pm

Is this the same Clinton who was impeached and voluntarily gave up his license to practice law?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
4:01 pm

“Kyle, I think you just need to ban anyone who doesn’t agree with “Logic”. Maybe that will stop the temper tantrums?”

What tantrums, sport? Project much?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
4:02 pm

Romney has been campaigning for how many years and he still doesn’t have a sold take on a plan of any sort? I mean, if the guy’s job is to work to run the country, maybe he should have a plan?

This is like starting a business without a plan. I guess Mitt fails that business skillz test.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
4:02 pm

“Bill Gates makes mucho more than “Logic”. I bet his degree is stronger than…..oh, wait.”

Keep trying, Finn.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
4:03 pm

“Romney has been campaigning for how many years and he still doesn’t have a sold take on a plan of any sort? ”

Repeal Obamacare, stop federal spending, end bailouts…

Sounds pretty good to me. I think I’ll vote for him.

Up Up and Away

August 8th, 2012
4:04 pm

Has the “sleeping giant” awoke as of today?

:-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
4:05 pm

“President Clinton was invited to speak at the Democrat convention.

He speaks at every convention. Clinton is the only successful Democrat that Obama could find. Everyone else in his party got booted out.

Rush

August 8th, 2012
4:05 pm

Is this the same Clinton from Arkansas? I thought only hillbillies and scarlet necks were from the south?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
4:06 pm

Finn

When you’re not acting like a child, you’re actually fun to argue with. My only beef is with your horrible comment from yesterday. Other than that, it’s been quite pleasant.

Up Up and Away

August 8th, 2012
4:06 pm

Rush

Clinton thumped Bush and Dole in the Electoral College.

Learn how our system works then come back and we can discuss.

As for today. You are dimissed

Up Up and Away

August 8th, 2012
4:06 pm

“You are dismissed”

Excuse me

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
4:06 pm

Even after that embarrassing foot in mouth episode, the serially banned, but highly educated sock puppet still thinks there are no conservative terrorists in this country? (Just conservative heroes like Adkisson.)

What’s left to say?

Well, you guys have fun with this particular troll, he’s funny as hell but bores me…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
4:08 pm

Hey look, JamVet came back from the nursing home to chat with us! YAAAAHHHH!!!!!

“he’s funny as hell but bores me…”

Then why do you continue to come here, post comments about me and then pretend not to care?

Up Up and Away

August 8th, 2012
4:10 pm

Jam

Logic wants to say he loves you, but can’t bring himself to do it

Whether you are here or not, he brings up your name.

You have a groupie and didn’t know it

@@

August 8th, 2012
4:11 pm

A simpler, flatter tax with no loopholes would generate as much, if not more, tax revenue than the current system.

So what’s the hold up?

Never once have I heard the dems advocate for a flat tax. Plenty on the GOP side have, at least, entertained the thought.

Kyle Wingfield

August 8th, 2012
4:12 pm

Logic: Your “degree” talk is making you sound an awful lot like someone I’ve previously banned here.

In any case, your week or so back on the blog has not helped the conversation here. I’m putting you in moderation and will publish your comments if they’re substantive.

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
4:12 pm

@(IL)Logic

You said, “Oh, so you’re threatening my IP address etc, sport?”

Are you retarded are something? Are you popping pills or something? Maybe you are just undergoing some type of psycho indoctrination or something.

What I’d like to know is, HOW DID YOU MORPH MY PROVING TO YOU THAT I CAN MAKE THE SALARY I DO WITH AN ASSOCIATE’S DEGREE INTO CYBERHUNTING YOU DOWN?? I wonder if they let the Wisconson shooter’s girlfriend out on bail yet? Is it YOU?? You are staright up delusional. I bet you have given even Kyle a “WTF” moment with that last one. SheeeeshLouise!!!!!! You are WEARING ME OUT!! And oh yeah…nobody even cares about you like that. Don’t flatter yourself.

ODD OWL

August 8th, 2012
4:14 pm

Logically speaking, when spending is reduced from a 5 % increase to a 3% increase… That is a spending cut of 2%… But as we all know, Republicans employ the inductive method of thinking, which is predicated on a predetermined conclusion… When we employ rationality, logic and deductive reasoning, we get a results thats based on the preponderance of the evidences… Republicans carefully avoid the evidences… The Romney Republican economic plan is nothing more than a Madoff ponzi scheme on steroids…

East Lake Ira

August 8th, 2012
4:16 pm

This has been fun.

Thanks!

Now back up to Triple A and Bookman.

ODD OWL

August 8th, 2012
4:18 pm

Republican flat tax scheme is analogous with another Madoff ponzi scheme on steroids…

Rush

August 8th, 2012
4:19 pm

Up,
Quite familiar with how Electoral College works and glad to see you recognize it as well. I do recall quite a few libs bemoaning the fact that Bush did not win the popular vote but yet became President. If you don’t mind (don’t really care if you do mind) I will excuse myself when I deem it to be time.

Hillbilly D

August 8th, 2012
4:19 pm

Logically speaking, when spending is reduced from a 5 % increase to a 3% increase… That is a spending cut of 2%…

If you spent $100 in 2011 and you were going to spend $105 in 2012 but you decided to spend just $103, you still spent $3 more than you did in 2011

Up Up and Away

August 8th, 2012
4:21 pm

Rush

Sense I was not part of “libs” who did cry about the popular vote, when you bring up the percentages, I will remind you of the EC. So excuse me and do stick around

:-)

Rush

August 8th, 2012
4:21 pm

Odd Owl,

Could you please let us know what classification you would give to Social Security? You seem to be an expert on Ponzi schemes so we await your answer with baited breath.

Rush

August 8th, 2012
4:25 pm

Up,

No worries….assumed (incorrectly) you were one of the complainers. Can’t have it both ways and I do agree the EC should be the yardstick. Also I think you meant “since” instead of “sense” but message was understood and we all make misstakes……for example….voting for BO instead of HC.

Will

August 8th, 2012
4:28 pm

You are exactly correct – no one could possibly know what affect any economic policy proposed by candidate Romeny because candidate Romney has offered no detail regard economic policy.

“Perserve the Bush Tax Cuts, reduce spending and reduce unemployment” are promises, not policy.

By the way, how long have those Bush tax cuts been in place? How’s that working out for our economy?

Up Up and Away

August 8th, 2012
4:31 pm

Rush

Although I will be voting for Obama, I did vote for HC in the primary and the Presidential.

I think Obama has been mediocre, but I’m not too keen on the potential of a Republican WH and Congress.

End of the day, it is time for both parties to wake up. Personally I think we need spending cuts and phased in tax rates back to the Clinton years.

It will impact some people, but I think we need to do away with or modify the EITC. Break even is one thing, but no one should be getting back more than they paid in.

Rush

August 8th, 2012
4:35 pm

Up,

Can definetly agree with your comments with exception of vote for BO. I did vote for him in primary and not HC. Agree with EITC. As a nation we all should pay something for our national defense no matter what your income is. Would be willing to pay higher taxes but only with decreases (as defined as spending less than previous fiscal year even if only $1) in spending. We have to get our current year debt under control and then work on long term debt.

md

August 8th, 2012
4:53 pm

“Give amnesty on the first 25 cents of every dollar repatriated into the U.S.”

What a deal….they currently get to keep 100% of every dollar by investing it in other countries….and you want to charge them a surcharge to bring it home. I doubt you would get very many takers when they still get 100% by saying no thanks.

md

August 8th, 2012
4:57 pm

“Please alllow me to derail your argument with a one SPECIFIC thing Obama stated in his campaign as a mission of his Presidency:”

He also passed legislation to help those few folks that were getting charged high fees when they didn’t pay their credit card bills on time……he fixed that by making the rest of us pay for them instead……..

Then he passed a hc bill as he said he would…..but has to this day failed to tell the middle class that it will be them that has to pay for it…..

md

August 8th, 2012
5:02 pm

“Romney is proposing trickle down economics all over again and we can see with actual data and by using our memories, IT DOES NOT WORK.”

Can one please explain how trickle up is supposed to work….I have yet to see any example of that in the real world.

SwamiDave

August 8th, 2012
5:04 pm

Finn:

“swami claims the Romeny/cancer story is BS and then spends 2 paragraphs dissecting it?

Yep. Because unlike Senator Reid, I back up claims with facts or actual examples.

Same things happen when liberals dispute the proven claims that large numbers of Americans pay no taxes using their “evidence” as incomplete calculations based on IRS tax tables completely ignoring tax credits that the vast majority of those filers claim. Ergo – Kyle’s contention that cutting CREDITS that are government transfer payments to the poor is not a “tax increase” is correct.

Glad to help.

-SD

md

August 8th, 2012
5:09 pm

“but all you people seem to care about is stifling the economy by increasing tax burdens rather than stimulating growth.”

The hard part for many is understanding that the gov’t is first and foremost technically a leech on said economy…….until they understand the fundamentals, they have no chance of seeing the bigger picture.

@@

August 8th, 2012
5:12 pm

In any case, your week or so back on the blog has not helped the conversation here.

Neither have the left-wing provocateurs, Kyle.

This says it all after your 4:12:

East Lake Ira @ 4:16.

This has been fun.

Thanks!

Now back up to Triple A and Bookman.

keeinitreal

August 8th, 2012
5:14 pm

“If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you’re a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind.”

Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. quotes (American Writer, b.1922)

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
5:17 pm

@@

Kyle is a big boy and does his job very well. “Logic” needs or needed no help in putting himself in the position he is in. That is not a new thing for him.

Do others also play that game? yes, but I am sure Kyle will weed them out as he sees fit

Good day

md

August 8th, 2012
5:18 pm

Not exactly the paradigm of “substantive”:

“Hey conwads, the EITC came about in 1975. Who was president then?

Just shut your pieholes already.”

“See folks, this is what happens to you when you drop out and settle for a GED.”

“Why is she so cheap and mean? Did someone put some sand in her vagina again?”

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
5:29 pm

The level of discourse here will only go up with you know who gone.

Another reality is that more than one-third of Americans pay no income tax.

And shockingly (or not) nearly 5,000,000 households in this country make somewhere between $50,000 and more than $1 million and pay NO federal withholding taxes. Every single year.

4,300,000 make between $50,000 and $100,000.

Another 485,000 make between $100,000 and $500,000.

And the remaining 18,000 make $500,000 or more.

THOSE are the true freeloaders, not the shmucks making $32k per year with a wife and three kids…

SwamiDave

August 8th, 2012
5:31 pm

Up:

Romney was not my first selection in the primaries, but he & a Republican House / Senate will beat what we have now.

I agree that we need spending cuts, but oppose any of the so-called compromises that tout “spending cuts & tax increases” because the increases on taxpayers are immediate with cuts promised in the future (never to occur). Frankly, America’s taxpayers pay more than enough in taxes to satisfy the constitutional role of government and the “other side” (those receiving government benefits) never hold up their end accepting restraint. To that end, it is time for government and its dependents to make the gesture of good faith and accept cuts without obligation to taxpaying Americans. Once they show resolve in accepting cuts to expenditures, we can discuss revenues; not before!

We agree on the EITC and break-even. If you can reduce your tax liability to zero within the law, so be it. We should not be using the tax code as a means to redistribute the earnings of one group of Americans to another. I would go so far as to say that all Americans should be paying something toward the constitutional role of our government. It’s called responsiblity & it is a minimum we should expect of citizenship.

To your earlier point, there seems to be a number of areas where we CAN work as long as we are not focusing on what we “can’t” do. The question is where we take the first steps & I will be working to see that we advance achievement and opportunity (not dependence and redistribution).

-SD

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
5:32 pm

@md

You obviously just parachuted into this whole thing, without getting the background on ANYTHING I posted. I won’t waste any more of my time. Revisit the thread dude. I’m WORN the h377 out!

(and I bet people wonder why my screen name is such) *mozeys off into the susnset*

Jefferson

August 8th, 2012
5:32 pm

Its true, Romney is only in it for his crowd.

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
5:38 pm

BUT FIRST…! This whole “RomneyHood” thing.

Nothing more than the President using his wit to connect with the people. Let’s face it, in the U.S. it is as mich a popularity contest as it is a policy contest. Who doesn’t like to be tickled every now and then?? It was clever. It STUCK, and it’s works. Why? Because Romney fails to adequately define HIMSELF.

Paul

August 8th, 2012
5:38 pm

You guys are screaming for details from Romney? It’s been 4 years and I am still waiting for details from Obama.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
5:41 pm

the gov’t is first and foremost technically a leech on said economy

Ummm, the government provides the framework so an economy can exist in the first place. Try selling your products with no monetary policy, laws regarding personal property and ownership, contract laws, etc.

Go ahead and try it.

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
5:45 pm

Finn, I missed that one.

All I can say is unbelievable.

That Black guy

August 8th, 2012
5:45 pm

At this point in 2004, how detailed was Obama’s economic plan?

md

August 8th, 2012
5:46 pm

“The level of discourse here will only go up with you know who gone. ”

In his defense, it takes 2 to tango….he wasn’t the only guilty one……

skydog

August 8th, 2012
5:48 pm

Thanks Kyle,

“Sport” was annoying.

That Black guy

August 8th, 2012
5:48 pm

Logic was never intended for libs

August 8th, 2012
2:09 pm
“We know the other side is going to lie and make stuff up.”
___________________________________________
Harry Reid says “Ok, you got me”

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
5:49 pm

Take it up with Kyle.

Sure seems like he has a good handle on who needs to go and who doesn’t…

md

August 8th, 2012
5:49 pm

“You obviously just parachuted into this whole thing, without getting the background on ANYTHING I posted. I won’t waste any more of my time. Revisit the thread dude. I’m WORN the h377 out! ”

I did…..as I usually do before jumping in. And then I respond to what I see as the inaccurate posts on the blog. You were the winner on this thread as you had a few that were debatable….

Care to debate them or prefer to just cut and run? I’m open to sensible solutions, but yours weren’t sensible……..

md

August 8th, 2012
5:53 pm

“Ummm, the government provides the framework so an economy can exist in the first place. Try selling your products with no monetary policy, laws regarding personal property and ownership, contract laws, etc.”

As I said, first one has to understand the fundamentals. You think the barter system was put in place by a gov’t??

In reality, the private sector CAN function without “gov’t”, but that is not true in reverse in a capitalistic economy……….gov’t can not exist in said system without the private sector generating the needed funds to operate……..very simple concept.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
5:56 pm

The private sector can function without government?

LOL. Sounds like someone has never had a job…..or bought or sold anything in their lives.

the red herring

August 8th, 2012
5:56 pm

Romney’s two years of taxes plus his charitable contributions amount to almost 14 million. stack that up against obama + reid + pelosi + axlerod combined for those two years if you can get their returns (not gonna happen)—- those people have lied continuously for their entire careers. Bringing John (heinz) Kerry into this mix is ridiculous —the men that served with Kerry are the ones that forced his hand on lying about medals—now the supreme court has said it’s ok to lie about them—go figure…. obama and his media friends are going to distort and lie as much as possible to get him reelected. best be prepared for all of that. instead of focusing on romney’s interaction with the heads of state in england, poland, israel the media focused on a misstatement by one of romney’s staff— face it–if the media wouldn’t tell things straight for hillary against obama they sure will not do it for romney. it’s sad when you try and compare life long government leaches like obama/michelle/axlerod/reid/pelosi to someone who had been extremely successful running private businesses and saving an american disaster of an olympics. no comparison and if you think so then you are really biased.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 8th, 2012
5:57 pm

At this point in 2004, how detailed was Obama’s economic plan?

TBG

At this point in 2012, how detailed is Obama’s economic plan?

All I know he wants to do is raise taxes. He says he wants to extend the Obama Tax Cuts, but not for the people making over $250K. So, that gets us 80B to apply to our 1.3T deficit. What next, professor? Don’t believe we have any details as we have had none in the past 3.5 years.

Obama seems to try the ole catch as catch can approach. Someone suggests a new tax or cancelling a tax exemption and he jumps right on that sucker, yeah, that is a good idea. Hasn’t worked at all, but some want to give him another try and maybe he will catch a good idea from someone.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
5:57 pm

The barter system?

No one is claiming government invented the barter system or capitalism or any other kind of economy.

md

August 8th, 2012
5:59 pm

“With barter, an individual possessing any surplus of value, such as a measure of grain or a quantity of livestock could directly exchange that for something perceived to have similar or greater value or utility, such as a clay pot or a tool.”

Some have a tendency to put the cart in front of the horse and then deem that to be how it is and always was……gov’t came out of the barter system, not the other way around.

md

August 8th, 2012
6:01 pm

“The private sector can function without government?”

Absolutely…….you really think IBM and Microsoft can’t do business between themselves without having a gov’t in between them??

Really??

SheeshLouise

August 8th, 2012
6:04 pm

@md

If you TRULY read and UNDERSTOOD my entire “schtick” on this particular topic by Kyle, you could not in good conscience make the last statement you did to me. You are just not worth my time. Time to actually enjoy the rest of my day. I have no bib for you. Well, it’s in the washer now. Heavy use last few hours.

md

August 8th, 2012
6:06 pm

Suit yourself Louise…..you made the comments and I responded……if you don’t wish to defend them so be it.

JDW

August 8th, 2012
6:07 pm

@md…”In reality, the private sector CAN function without “gov’t””

Maybe in theory but go ahead and name one…my guess they would end in revolt or war.

Sick of Progs

August 8th, 2012
6:08 pm

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
August 8th, 2012
5:41 pm

the gov’t is first and foremost technically a leech on said economy

Ummm, the government provides the framework so an economy can exist in the first place. Try selling your products with no monetary policy, laws regarding personal property and ownership, contract laws, etc.

Go ahead and try it

Hmm, government buildings are decked out with high quality materials and architecture, government workers are typically unmotivated and semi-productive, pension plans are generous for the non productive workers, and we keep getting added b.s. fees on anything we pay for…. utilities, phone bills, oil changes, tire changes… Done with the B.S. of government needs more! Government sucks out loud!!

JDW

August 8th, 2012
6:08 pm

@md…”Absolutely…….you really think IBM and Microsoft can’t do business between themselves without having a gov’t in between them??”

I don’t think either would exist

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 8th, 2012
6:08 pm

Carrie Dann ‏@CarrieNBCNews

Asked about VP, TPaw talks deep bench, plugs Sandoval, Martinez, Jindal, Rubio, Haley, McDonnell, Ryan, Portman, Petraeus

Dis game is ova.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 8th, 2012
6:11 pm

I tend to agree with @@ and md.

the red herring

August 8th, 2012
6:14 pm

RE: EITC— it should be abolished — failing that — any person that receives another type of government aid should not qualify for it. Try selling that a politician on either side of the aisle. It will not happen–I have contacted many politicians in the past concerning this and none (at least from Ga.) will stand for eliminating it. Put bluntly they are more concerned with their own reelection than with a fair tax code for everyone. Why exactly do people not understand the reason the TEA party is gaining ground— they are the ones making common sense. The b.s. that the media tries to paint
them as racists/homophobes/etc is crap. They are simply mostly middle age folks that are tired of being over taxed and want the country to have a balanced budget in order that their children will have a decent place to thrive and raise their kids too. My folks were life long democrats until they observed what jimmy carter and crew did to this country. They saw the light then and never voted democratic on the national level after that.

md

August 8th, 2012
6:19 pm

“Maybe in theory but go ahead and name one…my guess they would end in revolt or war.”

Well of course in theory (and practice if needed)……after all, the idea of gov’t was to make it easier to do the basic exchange. But, that can also be a double sided sword. Since that same private sector has to generate the capital to operate said gov’t, there is and always will be a point of equilibrium in relation to growth of the private sector.

Michael H. Smith

August 8th, 2012
6:25 pm

redefining as many proposals and words as necessary to reach a desired conclusion, not a credible analysis.

You have fully exposed the Marxist democrat’s Fascist/Socialist Modus Operandi.

obama and company are growing more desperate by the day and it shows. False claims, false innuendos and false insinuations are going to fail as a of deflection to distract the voters attentions from focusing on the miserable record of the President and his Party.

Five trillion dollars of deficit spending in less than one four year term in office, loss of our Triple A credit rating, unemployment remains over 8%, looming uncertainty over regulations and more taxes. This is the record obama is running from, he dare not run on any part of it.

md

August 8th, 2012
6:28 pm

“Maybe in theory but go ahead and name one…my guess they would end in revolt or war.”

Ironically, this nation was born of that revolt over the very same concept…..

That Black guy

August 8th, 2012
6:33 pm

md

August 8th, 2012
5:46 pm
“The level of discourse here will only go up with you know who gone. ”

In his defense, it takes 2 to tango….he wasn’t the only guilty one……
______________________________________________________
he would know that if he took a look at the post just about his 5:29. They were comments from the left.

but it’s easier to blindly blame 1 side i guess.

md

August 8th, 2012
6:37 pm

tbg….yep. Selective reading……

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
6:38 pm

TBG

Good point, however I think it is the consistency that drove the decision. Yes it goes on from all sides, but when certain ones are consistently in the mix, I guess a decision was made.

He will be alright and work his way back on to both blogs on a regular basis.

Dusty

August 8th, 2012
6:38 pm

WHAT? Logic is to be moderated? What is this? The Bookman Annex?

The liberal band of thieves that hangs around here is usually calling names, insinuating the worst, insulting Romney (and you Kyle) in every possible way. Logic responds to them in a much finer state that is given to him and he does it with facts. HIs name calling is very limited and compared to liberal comments, it is almost invisible. He is straightforwardly honest. So he’s being RUN OFF!

Kyle, you are being unfair. It’s your blog but you are being unfair. Your efforts to be broadminded and fair have narrowed extremely. I am disappointed.

Michael H. Smith

August 8th, 2012
6:42 pm

If you approve of what is known as the law of the jungle then the private sector would wonderfully without any government. However, if individual rights of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and the protection of property mean anything to you then you will need a government but not just any government, because some forms governments do not recognize individual rights or the individual’s ownership of property: Such as democracies, social or otherwise and of course communists.
Therefore the founder wise beyond their years sought to establish a Representative Republic to protect everything they felt dear to the best human interest as they spelled it out in the Declaration of Independence in separating themselves and their posterity from bonds of an absolute despotism.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
6:42 pm

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please:

Nearly four years into his term and he still has not laid out a plan.

He is trying to run out the clock without taking a position

It isn’t going to work.
——————————————–

Fixed.

Obozo has done nothing to cut the deficit in half as promised, or reform entitlements.

Obozo: Do-nothing fascist failure.

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
6:44 pm

“The liberal band of thieves that hangs around here is usually calling names”

Name calling about name callers. WOW. But not surprised. Typical, matter of fact.

Oh the irony. Some put it on everything. Toast, turkey, salad

You name it

Everyone have a great night and and even better tomorrow

JDW

August 8th, 2012
6:44 pm

@md…”there is and always will be a point of equilibrium in relation to growth of the private sector.”

Therein lies the rub…by 2000 we had it in balance…then came Duhbya and it will take a while to rebalance.

JKL2

August 8th, 2012
6:46 pm

finn- Cons can’t even accept the fact that the Sikh shooter was a right-wing, conservative, hate-filled terrorist.

Sorry he couldn’t do as good of a job as the left wing, liberal, hate-filled terrorist in Colorado.

JDW

August 8th, 2012
6:48 pm

@dusty…”Logic responds to them in a much finer state that is given to him and he does it with facts. HIs name calling is very limited and compared to liberal comments, it is almost invisible.”

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
6:48 pm

Hating out “leech” government is certainly popular out there on the lunatic fringe, but this juvenile talk of how corporations could exist just fine without the government is pure unadulterated nonsense.

And re that second 6:38, snicker, guffaw, etc…

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
6:49 pm

Dusty

While people go too far on all sides, let’s cease with the fiend selective outrage.

I do not think that either party or any politician isn’t called every name in the book on the AJC blogs.

It is there if you are willing to see it and most of all acknowledge it.

Kyle: look forward to your next column to see where we agree and disagree.

Again, everyone have a great evening.

Bless your hearts

Michael H. Smith

August 8th, 2012
6:50 pm

Therein lies the rub…by 2000 we had it in balance…then came Duhbya and it will take a while to rebalance.

brucie, I’m calling you out on that one. The facts absolutely proof you wrong. Greenspan, Rubin and Summers had more to do with the economic collapse the George Bush could ever have dreamed of doing. Check out the Frontline documentary completely, wherein is the truth.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/

Dusty

August 8th, 2012
6:51 pm

They BOTH suck, 6:44

You must be the expert on namecalling. Tell us about it.

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
6:53 pm

Dusty

Did someone steal your blog name? If so, Kyle needs to ban them.

“The liberal band of thieves that hangs around here is usually calling names”

Next topic

And bless your sweet heart

Nite nite

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
6:55 pm

Dusty

almost forgot……..
Go BRAVES

They need to win this game tonight

Michael H. Smith

August 8th, 2012
6:56 pm

corporations could exist just fine without the government is pure unadulterated nonsense.

The strongest corporations would do very fine without government but not very many people outside of those few corporations would be able to bear the existence. There is your pure unadulterated nonsense put to the test and found lacking in reality.

Dusty

August 8th, 2012
6:57 pm

That’s right JDW 6:48

Did Logic’s facts hurt your lil feelings? I see it made your fingers itchy. Tell the truth and the itch goes away.

Michael H. Smith

August 8th, 2012
6:58 pm

Too tired to continue for tonight

Pleasant evening to all.

JDW

August 8th, 2012
6:59 pm

@mks…I won’t deny that there were other factors, however to use a bonfire analogy…others stacked some wood…Duhbya piled it on, added gasoline and hit it with a flamethrower.

Here is a good read on the issue.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
6:59 pm

MHS: The strongest corporations would do very fine without government but not very many people outside of those few corporations would be able to bear the existence
———————-

Why would that be? Are consumers so irrational as to do business with companies who screw them?

Your lack of faith in free people and free markets makes Real Americans sad.

Dave

August 8th, 2012
7:01 pm

And you can’t give a credible analysis because your guy won’t lay out a plan. Trust us, trickle down works after a hiatus of 12 years. I don’t like the incumbent but why in the world would I vote for a guy who says he’s better but wants me to just believe that. Reminds me of hope and change a few years back.

JDW

August 8th, 2012
7:01 pm

@dusty…yeah that was it all those “facts”. :roll:

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
7:02 pm

The strongest corporations would do very fine without government.

NOT in this country.

Maybe in some con utopian corporatocracy that doesn’t exist. ..

Dusty

August 8th, 2012
7:05 pm

They BOTH suck 6:53

Nobody stole my ID. I despise unfair treatment and that is what I see here. So I said so.

GO BRAVES! Now, for that, I support whole heartedly. They know how to play as a team.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:06 pm

Dave: Trust us, trickle down works after a hiatus of 12 years
———————

Go get a job from a poor person. Thanks to Obozo, there’s 100 million of them in the U.S. on welfare.

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
7:12 pm

Off Topic:

Someone get Randy Travis some help before he is really “digging up bones”………. his own

http://www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta-music/randy-travis-arrested-naked-1493952.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm

Estemex

August 8th, 2012
7:12 pm

Mitt the Twit’s Tax plan is to raise taxes by $2,000 on everyone making under $200K. And giving a tax credit of $175,000 to those that are making over 1 Million. 95% of all Americans will see their taxes go up under Mitt the Twit’s Tax Plan.

They BOTH suck

August 8th, 2012
7:13 pm

Dusty

Fair enough, but not sure if calling names about name callers is the answer.

Kyle will get to all of them in due time. I have a good hunch, that is exactly what he is going to do.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:15 pm

Estemex: Mitt the Twit’s Tax plan is to raise taxes by $2,000 on everyone making under $200K
————————–

You’re a liar.

Estemex

August 8th, 2012
7:23 pm

To Lil Barry or is it little Brain: Whether you like it or not it is PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!! The economy tanked because of GOP deregulation of the Banks and Wall Street. The GOP has been in control of the House of Representative since 2010 WHERE ARE THE JOBS???? The only thing they have done is to pass bill after bill on Restricting a Womans Right to have an Abortion if they want. The War on Women is full steem ahead.

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
7:25 pm

Dusty, go ahead and ban yourself in protest. I doubt Kyle would mind….

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:25 pm

The GOP has been in control of the House of Representative since 2010 WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
————————

Unemployment dropped from 10% to 8% after Republicans won the House.

They can’t do it by themselves–Democrats in the Senate need to stop obstructing.

For more progress, vote American.

TRUTH

August 8th, 2012
7:25 pm

Kinda wondering when ol’ Mitt is going to detail ANYTHING??!!! Can’t get elected if you have no plan. The POTUS has a plan the GOP can’t stand. I love it!

OBAMA 2012

Estemex

August 8th, 2012
7:27 pm

To: Lil Brain

95% of American will get a $2,000.00 tax increase under the Mitt the Twit’s Tax Plan and Lil Brain you two will get a $2,000.00. IT IS PRESIDENT OBAMA NOW AND IT WILL BE FOR 4 MORE YEARS!!!!

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:28 pm

The POTUS has a plan the GOP can’t stand
—————————

Yes, more of the same. More trillion-plus deficits, more months of 8-10% unemployment, more record numbers on the dole.

Fix the mistake of ‘08–vote American.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:32 pm

No one knows what the Democrat plan is because they haven’t passed a budget in years and don’t plan on starting now.

Obozo: Trillion-plus deficits every year. Higher unemployment every month than in any month of Our President Bush’s eight years. Record numbers on the dole.

Obozo is inferior to Our President Bush.

Estemex

August 8th, 2012
7:33 pm

TO: Lil’ Brain

Go get a job and stop listening to Faux News, Rush, Sarah, Mitt the Twit and Drudge.

CAN YOU SAY PRESIDENT OBAMA 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:33 pm

Estemex: 95% of American will get a $2,000.00 tax increase under the Mitt the Twit’s Tax Plan
————————————–

Except you can’t quote the Romney policy to do that.

You’re a liar.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:37 pm

Quick question for you, Estemex…after Our President Bush reduced tax rates for all Americans, did tax revenues go up or down?

md

August 8th, 2012
7:37 pm

“but this juvenile talk of how corporations could exist just fine without the government is pure unadulterated nonsense.”

The “juvenile” part of the equation comes in when one takes what is said out of context. I don’t recall anyone saying get rid of gov’t……

But the fact of the matter remains that gov’t can and does slow down growth if it crosses that point of equilibrium mentioned earlier.

Again, basic math…….the gov’t is merely another “bill” that must be paid by the private sector…..if the sector can not afford to pay it’s bills, it does not grow.

Estemex

August 8th, 2012
7:39 pm

TO: lil’l brain:

MITT THE TWIT HAS NOT PLAN TO HELP ALL AMERICAN’S INCLUDING LIL’L BRAIN. MITT THE TWIT WILL ONLY HELP HIS RICH FRIENDS AND LIL’L BRAIN YOU ARE NOT HIS FRIEND.

All the wars under Bush were not paid; the Medicare Perscription Benefitt was not paid when the GOP passed it. When PRESIDENT OBAMA won in 2008 he had to fix everything get you head out of Rush’s A@@ lil’l brain.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:40 pm

Did revenues go up or down, Estemex? It’s key to understanding President Romney’s plan.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:42 pm

Estemex, did Obozo increase or decrease spending on the Medicare prescription benefit?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 8th, 2012
7:43 pm

Moonbat alert!

md

August 8th, 2012
7:44 pm

“Mitt the Twit’s Tax plan is to raise taxes by $2,000 on everyone making under $200K.”

Might want to do some quick math on what Obama has done to the average Joe….

Start with your credit card rate (a direct result of the cc bill)…..multiply the additional % times ones balance and add it up for the past 2 years.

Then take a look “inside” the aca bill…..not the “mandate/tax/penalty”, but inside the actual bill. The rules for hsa and fas have changed, costing the average Joe plenty….along with the added tax that will be charged providers (hint, providers just up Joe’s premium)…….then add the higher cigarette tax and the tanning bed tax and the………

Point being……taxes are already on the rise, folks are just too dense to look into them.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:50 pm

Estemex, the federal government spends about $10,000 for every man, woman, and child every year. Did you pay your fair share, or did someone in the productive class pay it for you?

JDW

August 8th, 2012
7:51 pm

@md…”the gov’t is merely another “bill” that must be paid by the private sector”

Not really…more like an investment that provides a well maintained operating environment. Just like plants or other capital investments.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
7:57 pm

Some “investment”. We spend more than ever on education and they do a worse job than ever. Just one example out of many.

Government: 90% of it is waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayers.

md

August 8th, 2012
8:04 pm

“Not really…more like an investment that provides a well maintained operating environment. Just like plants or other capital investments.”

Tell that to all these States that are drowning under their pension obligations……

Bullet County

August 8th, 2012
8:21 pm

Kyle, you are aware that this study was conducted by the same Tax Policy Center that Romney et als cited earlier as providing “Objective, Third-Party Analysis That Showed Governor Perry’s Plan Would Raise Taxes On Millions Of American Families”…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 8th, 2012
8:31 pm

More on the felons voting issue:

“There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”
“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. At the end of the day, we charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.”
http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-made-franken-us-senator

Never can tell

August 8th, 2012
8:31 pm

Bullet

Kyle is aware. That isn’t the problem. It is some of his readers that run with it that is scary.

Craig Carlisle

August 8th, 2012
8:38 pm

Barry Thug, Barry Thug
Terrorize the ‘hood’.
Barry Thug, Barry Thug
He’s up to no good !
Flashmob the stores,
poison the mores,
Barry Thug
Barry Thug
Barry Thug.

Rush

August 8th, 2012
8:39 pm

Um….Estemexican,

No head up my backside. I think the black guy asked a very simple question concerning tax revenues after a cut in tax rate. Obviously you did not want to answer said question and went off on different tangent. Congratulations as you will make an effective minion for the Democratic party!

Rush

August 8th, 2012
8:42 pm

Kyle:

I thought Bookman was only one that likes to put people’s comments in moderation. I don’t know the whole story behind Logic (or whatever the name used) so maybe I am off base. At least, from what I can tell, he has not attempted to denigrate individuals on a personal basis. You should see some of the nasty stuff on the sports blogs.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 8th, 2012
8:45 pm

Since Obozo gutted the work requirements in welfare reform, any $2000 tax increase on the poor is a wash anyway.

Obozo: Subsidizing sloth, laziness, and parasitism.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 8th, 2012
8:51 pm

Obama
Has an abysmal record
Has no economic plan
Spreds Obamaloney everyday
Allows our national secrets to leak
refuses to enforce the laws of the land
Has not kept his campaign promises
Has tried to divide this country against itself
Plays the race card
Plays the wealth envy card
wants to raise our taxes
has increased our debt and deficit
has apologized all over the world for US actions
has presided over the downsizing of our military
has not closed our borders
has disparaged our Supreme Court
has not taken any accountability for his poor policies
has wasted our money on non existent “green energy” jobs
has wasted 1 T in his stimulus spending
gave the Queen an Ipod loaded with his speeches
wants to pay his bride for working as first lady

and people support this person.

JamVet

August 8th, 2012
8:54 pm

At least, from what I can tell, he has not attempted to denigrate individuals on a personal basis.

Hysterical.

Given that all you have to do is go back and read his 2:30, 2:34, 2:36, 2:39 and 3:06 for starters…

obozo

August 8th, 2012
8:55 pm

Terrorize?

I don’t go to the hood.

Those people are icky.

obozo

August 8th, 2012
9:00 pm

If you decide not to vote for me
There will be lots of things you’ll never see
No more bling, no more nose candee
It’ll just be a pain livin under Romnee

obozo

August 8th, 2012
9:08 pm

Hairy, Hairy
Quite contrary
Told him to bark like dog
He put a hurtin on the progs

Red- the Communist, not the Republican

August 8th, 2012
9:23 pm

JD Powers has a subscriber satisfaction survey in the Atlantic southeast region and Kaiser Permanente is at the top of it?

In a year when they can’t deny me coverage for my beta blocker medicine, maybe I’ll choose them to pay to provide me health insurance coverage.

Hillbilly D

August 8th, 2012
9:30 pm

In his defense, it takes 2 to tango….he wasn’t the only guilty one……

In all his various incarnations over the years, he never learns. He always let’s himself be goaded into a reaction and the result is always the same.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 8th, 2012
9:44 pm

Well, this is a nice trade off, we lose Logic but we keep the blog.

obozo

August 8th, 2012
9:46 pm

A finer stooge you’ll never see
then my little freak, debbie

obozo

August 8th, 2012
9:59 pm

Hear debbie shriek and hear debbie roar
About Republicans trampling the poor
Sane people giggle but that’s OK
They won’t vote for me anyway

Just Saying..

August 8th, 2012
10:13 pm

“Democrat playbook 101.”

McCain has an out of wedlock black baby. McCain was unhinged by his POW experience. Swift Boat…

Of course Dems invented toxic politics…

Dusty

August 8th, 2012
11:02 pm

What a game!! The score rolled up and down and……finally…..BRAVES won 12 TO 6…..whoopee!

Who said baseball was not exciting? aint so! It’s a great game!!

Lynnie Gal

August 9th, 2012
6:41 am

So, no details on Robme’s tax policy, huh? What a surprise. He sure is secretive about a lot of stuff. Won’t release his own taxes. Just runs ads that are obvious lies about welfare reform that’s meant to be a dog whistle for Joe Sixpack to turn against the poor, all using unlimited contributions from billionaires. He hopes his lies will cover up his secrets and that low information voters will believe his lies. This man is unfit to be president of anything.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 9th, 2012
6:47 am

With the economy in the dumps and people all over the land in misery, look at what obozo is thinking about-

White House: Obama opposes Boy Scouts’ ban on gays – CBS News

Trying to get votes out of another fringe group.

Blair

August 9th, 2012
6:58 am

Democrats are in the business of manufacturing the poor.

Romney is looking to fire their CEO.

Ronnie Raygun

August 9th, 2012
7:06 am

According to Mitt the Twit’s campaign, anyone without health insurance should move to Massachusetts to get Romneycare. Anyone still believe he will repeal Obamacare? Suckers.

Willis

August 9th, 2012
7:37 am

For a multimillion dollar candidate who parks his money in overseas accounts while he sings God Bless America, the voter gets the drift – the study may be off in some areas, but it is more than wishful thinking that is the basis of the findings.

We know Romney is in the pocket of the rich and powerful, not the average guy.

skydog

August 9th, 2012
7:39 am

I bet you that Logic winked every time he said “Sport”…..creepy.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 9th, 2012
7:49 am

Thanks to Obozo, there’s 100 million of them in the U.S. on welfare

Lil Barry thinks 1/3 of the US is on welfare??

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2012
8:00 am

Since Obozo gutted the work requirements in welfare reform

Not intended to be a factual statement.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 9th, 2012
8:00 am

dog- mumbling to yourself about a hissy fit with an anonymous blogger is what’s creepy, just sayin..

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2012
8:02 am

Trying to get votes out of another fringe group.

That’s not a very nice thing to say about your party’s presumptive Presidential nominee. (although I applaud Mitt for sticking to his guns. apparently. for now…)

Romney first voiced support for gay scouts back in 1994 — a position that his campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said remains his position today.

“I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts, regardless of their sexual orientation,” Romney said in the video from 1994 recently re-surfaced by the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. He added at the time that he supports “the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue.”

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2012
8:03 am

Lil Barry thinks 1/3 of the US is on welfare??

Retired servicemen are welfare queens, apparently.

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2012
8:05 am

Not a peep about Romney’s Gay Boy Scout position over at Drudge.

Developing…

MiltonMan

August 9th, 2012
8:07 am

“So I have $400 a month to live on with a family of 4 and, after I elect Mitt, I will have $300 a month to live on?

Maybe you conservatives try once in a while to explain stuff in terms that your constituents can understand??? It’s not that difficult but I understand your desire to keep them stupid.”

People living on that: (1) Would not vote for Mitt regardless; they have to much to lose for not voting for “free everything” Obozo. (2) Maybe these people should have made better life choices – not having kids they could not afford; receiving a college education that could land them a job – science, engineering, etc.

peep peep

August 9th, 2012
8:34 am

Obama camp denies knowledge of cancer tale it told in May

Oops? President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign washed its hands Wednesday of an independent group’s vicious (and misleading) ad effectively blaming Mitt Romney for the death of a laid-off steelworker’s wife from cancer. Campaign officials flatly denied any knowledge of the facts in the case—but it turns out the widower told the same story on an Obama campaign conference call in mid-May.

“We have nothing, no involvement, with any ads that are done by Priorities USA. We don’t have any knowledge of the story of the family,” Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters aboard Air Force One on Wednesday.

The ad features Joe Soptic, who lost his job and his health benefits after Romney’s Bain Capital closed the GST Steel plant in Kansas City, Mo., in 2001. Soptic later told CNN that his wife had health insurance through her own employer from that point to 2002 or 2003, when she left that job because of an injury—a detail that undermines the ad’s heartbreaking narrative.

“I don’t know the facts about when Mr. Soptic’s wife got sick, or the facts about his health insurance,” deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter told CNN on Wednesday.

But there’s a problem. As Politico first reported, Soptic told essentially the same story in a May 14, 2012, conference call hosted by the Obama campaign.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-camp-denies-knowledge-cancer-tale-told-may-195237581.html

td

August 9th, 2012
8:46 am

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2012
8:03 am

Lil Barry thinks 1/3 of the US is on welfare??

Retired servicemen are welfare queens, apparently.

Lil Barry is making an accurate statement and it shows just how fast we are going to what Obama’s true vision for the country is (European social welfare state).

“”The federal government administers nearly 80 different overlapping federal means-tested welfare programs,” the Senate Budget Committee notes. However, the committee states, the figures used in the chart do not include those who are only benefiting from Social Security and/or Medicare.

Food stamps and Medicaid make up a large–and growing–chunk of the more than 100 million recipients. “Among the major means tested welfare programs, since 2000 Medicaid has increased from 34 million people to 54 million in 2011 and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, or food stamps) from 17 million to 45 million in 2011,” says the Senate Budget Committee. “Spending on food stamps alone is projected to reach $800 billion over the next decade.”

The data come “from the U.S. Census’s Survey of Income and Program Participation shows that nearly 110,000 million individuals received a welfare benefit in 2011. (These figures do not include other means-tested benefits such as the Earned Income Tax Credit or the health insurance premium subsidies included in the President’s health care law. CBO estimates that the premium subsidies, scheduled to begin in 2014, will cover at least 25 million individuals by the end of the decade.)”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-100-million-now-receiving-federal-welfare_649589.html

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2012
8:48 am

You’ve basically surrendered the argument when you refer to every form of public assistance you don’t enjoy yourself with the racially charged term “welfare”, td.

td

August 9th, 2012
9:08 am

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2012
8:48 am

Welfare- Financial and other assistance given to people in need. (World English Dictionary)

The CBO and the Census survey talked about Federal government “Means tested programs” so by a dictionary definition it is a WELFARE program and the statement is accurate. I can not help it if you want to put some type of other connotation to what “welfare” means.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

August 9th, 2012
9:16 am

Corporate welfare / Romney Care / Dumb Arses

Road Scholar

August 9th, 2012
9:17 am

So is Romney running on his record as Governor of Massachusetts?

Ha and his wife are quite a team; they feed off each other. Than please explain Romney’s amnesia concerning the show horse at the Olympics. Can’t remember it’s name, the event, or any details concerning the horse? Real Close!

Kyle, has anyone done a study on the effects/impact of removing the tax deduction on a home mortgage? Effect to revenues (rates being “fixed”), effects to the housing market (like it doesn’t need help), effects if a second home mortgage tax deduction is removed,…?

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

August 9th, 2012
9:18 am

Illogical is for Romney to be elected.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 9th, 2012
9:18 am

“Figures include anyone living in a household where at least one person received a program benefit.”

So, if you live with a grandparent or a person with a disability, you too are one of the 100 million. If someone in your house has been injured on the job – your son, your daughter – you too are on welfare.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

August 9th, 2012
9:19 am

No need to swift boat Mitt , he is doing a great job on his own.

iggy

August 9th, 2012
9:23 am

Just more incompetence from Barry and this “band of thugs.”

td

August 9th, 2012
9:25 am

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

August 9th, 2012
9:18 am

” If someone in your house has been injured on the job – your son, your daughter – you too are on welfare.”

What program are you talking about here? Worker comp or unemployment? Not means tested so therefore not welfare. SSI? Welfare. Food stamps- Those children count in the amount of benefit so it is welfare for the entire household.

SBinF

August 9th, 2012
9:32 am

“First, it’s wishful liberal thinking because the study’s authors acknowledge Romney has not laid out his plan in detail.”

Herein lies the problem. The election is mere weeks away, and Mitt has yet to give ANY details about ANYTHING he plans to do.

MiltonMan

August 9th, 2012
9:33 am

“Ha and his wife are quite a team; they feed off each other. Than please explain Romney’s amnesia concerning the show horse at the Olympics. Can’t remember it’s name, the event, or any details concerning the horse? Real Close!”

Yes that definitely should keep anyone from being the president. Let’s just ignore that Obozo admitted as a “lapse of judgement” to receiving a super sweet deal on his house in the chicago area.

SBinF

August 9th, 2012
9:36 am

At least “Obozo” admitted something. Mitt plays dumb. He wants me to believe he doesn’t know when his horse is competing? That’s a lie. Everyone knows it’s a lie. Why is he embarrassed of his dancing horse?

If it aint one thing it's another

August 9th, 2012
9:36 am

I report

Romney basically has the same position about the Boy Scouts. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your usual nothings.

MiltonMan

August 9th, 2012
9:38 am

“Herein lies the problem. The election is mere weeks away, and Mitt has yet to give ANY details about ANYTHING he plans to do.”

Which is worse than Obozo’s promises???: cut the dsficit in half; that it was “unpatriotic” to add to the national debt; thousands of green jobs, make Washington more transparent then ever before; solve our energy crisis once and for all, etc., etc/

MiltonMan

August 9th, 2012
9:40 am

“Romney basically has the same position about the Boy Scouts. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your usual nothings.”

Who cares what Obozo, Mittie or any other crappy politician thinks about the boy scouts. They are a private institution and can run it like they choose – just like private golf courses, private bars/clubs, etc.

md

August 9th, 2012
9:42 am

“Herein lies the problem. The election is mere weeks away, and Mitt has yet to give ANY details about ANYTHING he plans to do.”

Me thinks some have forgotten how to use google…..there is plenty out there on what he plane to do, but many like to say there isn’t anything as it makes for a better talking point. In reality, it makes one look a bit silly when all they have to do is google it.

Jim in Tampa

August 9th, 2012
9:45 am

Your lame attempts to support Romney are absolutely ridiculous. The AJC should be embarrassed to publish such a useless and shallow article.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 9th, 2012
9:51 am

When do the debates start? Can’t wait to see how Romney dodges every question in those venues.

md

August 9th, 2012
9:53 am

Jim…..that was an awful shallow complaint with no substance to back up the complaint about a shallow article…..

Dirty Dawg

August 9th, 2012
9:58 am

So when a source that has been accepted as ‘non-partisan’ in the past comes up with an analysis that you don’t agree with, Kyle, you – along with Murdoch’s minions at e WSJ – label it ‘liberal wishful thinking’. You are nothing if not obvious and predictable, but we’ve got your number and, by the way, you’re gonna love the next four and a half years.

skydog

August 9th, 2012
10:07 am

Citizens United was the Repubs idea.

Now y`all complain when you get bit.

@@

August 9th, 2012
10:11 am

Can’t remember it’s name, the event, or any details concerning the horse?

Neither did my husband. Didn’t know the names of my cats either. He called my horse “The Hayburner” and my cats, “Those Frickin’ Furballs”.

The dogs’ names, he knew/knows.

SBinF

August 9th, 2012
11:31 am

“.there is plenty out there on what he plane to do, but many like to say there isn’t anything as it makes for a better talking point. In reality, it makes one look a bit silly when all they have to do is google it.”

Oh yeah, I’ve read his 59 point plan. Full of talking points and platitudes, pretty short on policy though.