2012 Tuesday: Voter fraud, not suppression, is real

Dead people vote democrat.

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Why are the left fighting voter I.D.’s ? Dead people don’t need voter I. D.’s .. they all voter democrat.

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Zzzzzzzzzzzz. AG is “never hesitant to politicize an issue.” Tell me, dear Kyle, who in modern ‘Merican politics isn’t hesitant to politiize an issue. A: Nobody, for they all are. Your disingenuosness is both extremely annoying and tiring.

Schneeeert

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You got nothing.

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Leftists were born without a conscience and a sense of right and wrong. Cheat to win elections – sure why not if it advances the cause. Whatever it takes to keep Obama in power. Tat is why democrats oppose voter I.D.

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“Leftists were born without a conscience and a sense of right and wrong. ”

Kyle: Send this man a prize for the most ignorant an uniformed post of the day

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Kyle

My point is that there have been convictions in regards to voter fraud, etc on both sides of the aisle, but for some strange reason you only mention one side.

Be honest: Did it have anything to do with “framing” your argument to depict a one sided issue?

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Kyle

Wasn’t a Republican official in MD convicted of voter suppression during the 2010 election?

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“With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats,

I never knew that g gordon liddy, oliver north, haldemann, erlichmann, jack abramoff, duke cunningham, and a couple thousand more felons I could name, voted democratic. This has certainly been enlightening. Thanx wingfield, we can always count on you for objectivity.

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I just renewed my driver’s license and, with the new rules, you have to provide numerous forms of identification (birth certificate, SS card, recent bills proving residency) proving who you are and where you live, etc. Why should voters be able to provide any less credible ID to cast a ballot? You should have valid photo ID to vote…period.

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Below is one way voter fraud is committed with voter id:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/09/Okeefe-Holder

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Why do we continue to allow the mindless rabble to vote? Mob rule was not what our founding fathers had in mind when the wrote the Constituion. Only educated or propertied persons should be voting.

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If it aint…..1135 AM “Kyle: Send this man a prize for the most ignorant an uniformed post of the day”

It is still early, if you read the comments of the rightie wackos on here with any regularity, you’d know this comment won’t even get honorable mention by the end of the day.

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Auntie Christie

There is much stupidity to go around: left and right.

Just read the comments on both Winfield’s and Bookman’s blogs each day.

With that said, even when I disagree there are some good comments from all sides as well.

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1,099 felons stuck their butts out on the line, risked the possibility of more jail time (for $0 gratification!!!) just so they could vote for Al Franken???

Unfrikinbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least if you are going to break a law and risk imprisonment — the DUMBEST criminal in the world would realize — you might as well do it by AT LEAST choosing a crime that has A POSSIBILITY of paying off in some TANGIBLE MONETARY WAY!!!!!!!!!!

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WE have these ALTRUISTIC FELONS (!!!) who are willing to RISK IT ALL…..so they can vote in an election? And for AL FRANKEN?

You folks are BAT~~~~ CRAZY!

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We have Republicans ON RECORD claiming the reason for most of these voter ID laws is to keep minorities from voting. Where are the “on-the-record” staments of Democrats discussing how they are going to commit voter fraud?

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td, join the Bat~~~~ CRAZY crowd!

Step right up!

People found FELONS who were WILLING to go BACK TO JAIL so they can vote for Al frikin Franklin?? How much money would that be worth? AND NOBODY TALKED ABOUT IT???????

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Yeah, there’s more votes cast in a typical big lib city election then there are registered voters and the dummycrats want you to prove that there’s fraud.

And if most of these big lib cities go 94% to the dems, how are the Repugs getting drug into this?

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I don’t mind showing my I’d to vote but I see the same folks year after year and they know I’m not a felon. It would be nice to go back to the days where they might have asked if you were still living at the same address. Nonetheless I still don’t believe there is rampant voter fraud I am though convinced that there is a good chance of computer error that would result in an eligible voter to be nixed. I am very happy that I don’t have to show my papers just to renew my drivers license for a long time but that is because it doesn’t expire for years.

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I think this article has been properly “DEBUNKED…”

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Why do we continue to allow the uneducated rabble and dependents on the system (welfare,TANF, etc) the vote? The will only vote for the candidate that promises more largess from the public trough.

Our founding fathers well knew thier history and knew that democracies always fail, as they must when the hoi-polloi discover they can vote themselves largess from the public trough. The vote is a civic duty and solemn obligation and should only be allowed to those members of society capable of its proper exersize. We would be much better off had we follow the wisdom of our founders.

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Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. How do you expect me to keep all my wittle chiwuns on the reservation if they have to go get IDs and jobs and bank accounts and become responsible citizens? I mean come on.

Are you drunk this morning or something?

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Finn, I would like to know who those GOP members are that are talking about suppressing the vote by requiring an ID. Did you just pull that out of you know where, as usual?

HDB, should be here. She says there is no such thing as voter fraud.

Charlie Rangel’s opponent in the NY Dem primary can give you chapter and verse on voter fraud in NYC. Charlie had that deck stacked.

Funny too, that in FL 2000, the Dems worked hard to deny the military ballots and then turned around and claimed minorities were intimidated when they tried to vote and therefore “disenfranchised”. So, the Civil Rights Commission sets up town halls in Florida and after three weeks of listening to the minority leaders whine about how they were disenfranchised and how it was done, they asked why not one voter could be identified, that did not vote because of intimidation.

They never found one voter. It is always the Dems doing the cheating, so they are the ones who protest against an regulation to tighten voting requirements.

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democrats being responsible citizens, boy, did I get a good laugh out of that one.

Me made a funny.

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“It is always the Dems doing the cheating,”

Really?

Are you just talking as usual out of your backside or do you think that is the case?

Even Kyle knows better than that?

FACTS must not be your friend

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How many people turn out for an election in any state in the average year? Let’s compare those “dozens” to the total.

It must be more than 1%, dontcha thunk it?

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Proof! of voter suppression:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/karoli/shameless-republican-brags-about-voter-id-w

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MORE PROOF! of voter suppression:

http://www.theledger.com/article/20120726/POLITICS/120729446/1374?p=2&tc=pg

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Finn

Direct them to the MD Republican official who was convicted for voter suppression?

But according to Rafe, he either willfully or ignorantly thinks it is just Democrats. Rafe’s own posts not my conjecture.

Of the Indiana Secretary of State who was convicted of 3 counts of voter fraud.

Better yet, facts make Rafe break out, so let him live in his bubble that is void of facts

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Rafe

Rangle was convicted of what?

I not only gave you Charlie White of Indiana who was CONVICTED of voter fraud

I also gave you Paul E. Schurick. A Republican in MD who was convicted of voter suppression.

What else you got with your “it is always the Democrat” LIES?

Is lying a habit for you or did you start today?

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This is just as silly as the thought that illegal immigrants are gonna risk DEPORTATION and maybe even JAIL TIME……so they can vote for Obama (a guy who is sending more Hispanics back than his predecessor!)

mwuahahahahahahahaha

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If the GOP was engaged in voter fraud, they would not be pushing voter ID laws, it would make their work much harder.

I will admit that voter ID laws do suppress voter turnout, the dead, the ineligible, the felons, the illegals, and those snow birds who vote in two states tend to stay away from the polls, when ID is required.

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Snow birds are now risking a CRIMINAL charges – to vote in multiple states?

OH THAT HAS TO BE WIDESPREAD – RAMPANT I TELLS YA!

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Bush’s first election (no, not the one in 2000 when SCOTUS installed him) is proof positive that voter fraud and suppression is alive and well, though only inasmuch as would-be Democratic voters were defrauded and their votes suppressed. And…

Schneeeert

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@kyle..ignoring the one sided hyperbole in your example please explain just how current voter ID laws would have impacted the Franken example…Id’s do nothing to address voter roll errors.

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I think Finn is have a breakdown today.

To think that people will not take a chance of getting caught to vote in multiple places or felons voting and even illegals, is a fools mentality.

How do explain the FACT that dead people are caught every year voting? Do the dead people really vote or are these other people committing crimes?

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Rafe

You still looking for that Rangle convicted for voter fraud or suppression?

Oh I see. You post allegations. I post convictions. YOU RUN

hahahahahaha

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Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
12:52 pm

How do all the dead people vote every year?

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I think photo ID’s should be required. I really do not understand why it is an issue for some people.

Me neither. Up here in the Hills, I’ve been asked for picture ID to vote for at least 20 years, usually by a person who is at the same time, asking me how my family is doing.

You have to have picture ID at many places, to cash a check, a lot of doctor’s offices, to buy alcohol, etc. I’m sure that somewhere there is somebody who doesn’t have a picture ID but that person would be quite rare. The proposals I heard would give people who didn’t have one a picture ID for free.

As far as which party gets caught, who cares? Punish the guilty, whomever they are.

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td, where is this list of dead people who vote every year? How long is this list compared to the rest of the turnout?

1) You got no list
2) Even if you do have a list, the list is so short it’s like declaring bankruptcy and then blaming it all on that single pack of gum you bought back in June 2010.!

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“extrapolate ”

My bad

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Ain’t

I haven’t run, I will check, but the last time I did, there were still claims that he cheated. You don’t expect those Dems, in position of authority in NYC, to take those claims seriously do you?

Spanish speakers forced to use paper ballots, that can easily be lost, while Rangel voters pulled levers.

How can any state purge voter rolls, when before they get started good, here comes Eric Holder, claiming voter “disenfranchisement”. He likes the votes of the dead, a solid Democrat voting block.
Florida is trying to purge their voter rolls now, after being halted with Holder suits multiple times. Fortunately a judge put a halt to the harassment from Holder.

Dems prefer a rigged system obviously since they have never proposed any voter reform measures and opposed any proposed by the GOP.

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“allegations” not that crazy misspelled word I posted

My bad again

You post innuendo. I post fact.

If you can’t see the difference, I suggest that you go look it up.

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Why will you not admit your comment that I called you out on was incorrect?

Why will you not address the convicted Republicans?

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“We have strong evidence (Kyle’s phrase) of what the republican intentions are by the purging of legitimate voters off rolls in Fla. ”

Legitimate? must be why they sued the feds for access to Homeland Security’s database……to make sure they were only getting the legitimate ones.

Some folks need to learn to apply some basic logic…………

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Interesting…..people actually complaining about designing a system that stops fraud. I bet these same people jump up and down about fraud at the banks……….

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how do i get a voter ID card? don’t i need ID? and if so, why isn’t THAT ID good enough?

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Rafe

Nothing but allegations. That is all you have?

I presented to you CONVICTIONS of Republican officials and you are hanging on for dear life on allegations.

If indicted and the evidence shows he is guilty, I hope he is convicted, but until that time step up your game.

You post allegations and innuendo. I post convictions and fact.

Thanks for playing. Game, set, match

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Kyle, it is pathetic when you are reduced to citing Hans Spakowsky, the country’s most notorious advocate of voter suppression. And you are just misstating the facts when you state there is no evidence of voter suppression. There is a long history in this country from Jim Crow to the present supporting the fact of voter suppression. The only significant voter fraud in this country is the continued widespread use of voter suppression schemes to voters who are “too ignorant” to vote the right way.

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@ yzeyurbrane – to you, Kyle is “misstating the facts” and to Kyle he is just “re-stating the facts.” Only one of you is right. As a neutral third party here, I can unequivocally say that it isn’t Kyle.

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Kyle, are you a card-carrying member of the Young Republicans; article so blatantly right-leaning…

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Kyle,
Can you explain why someone who has voted for more than 40 years but can’t produce a birth certificate in her state (PA) to get a state id should be disqualified from voting? A 90-year-old delivered by a mid-wife won’t have a birth certificate. The id is not an issue for me. It’s the one size fits all and the hell with you if you don’t have the id, even though you were okay before.

I am waiting for you to tell me how the law can be modified to be FAIR. That is the issue. FAIRNESS.

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Peoples, just do the math!

Voter fraud is SO insignificant that the ONLY REASON for conservative voter fraud concerns is in their hope that they can somehow keep “those people” from voting….or anyone who isn’t like them, doesn’t vote like them, or doesn’t worship the same Jeebus as them.

It’s so BLATANT it’s sad…..

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Ain’t,

I am through arguing common sense. Common sense is that people opposed to reform are benefiting from the corruption. Common sense, if the powers that be, are of the same party and do not want to see a crime, they ignore it. Common sense, if you oppose any effort to boost military turnout and voting, you are suppressing the military vote. Common sense is that people who are eligible to vote, have no problem with Identifying themselves. Common sense says if the GOP was suppressing the legal vote, you could produce one eligible voter, who was denied the right to vote.

The Dems argument that there is no voter fraud and voter ID suppresses the vote just does not pass the smell test.

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Rafe

You produce innuendo. I produce facts.

You can’t handle that, so run along to your fantasy land of lies. Yes I said lies because that is what you did earlier and I proved as much.

Bye bye

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Not pursuing cases of voter fraud (and voter intimidation) is just another facet of “the end justifies the means” Democrat party. There’s nothing wrong with illegal voting as long as it favors them.

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Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
1:34 pm

I got it know. If you are not for potential voter fraud and no id’s then you are a racist!!

You are playing the race card now because you know you have a lame argument on no voter is needed.

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Simple fact is, liberals and conservatives have empowered politicians to legislate their respective self righteousness. Accordingly, the power has corrupted both parties and they will do whatever it takes to wield that power. STOP feeding the politicians, the system is out of balance.

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Voter fraud is SO insignificant that the ONLY REASON for conservative voter fraud concerns is in their hope that they can somehow keep “those people” from voting….or anyone who isn’t like them, doesn’t vote like them, or doesn’t worship the same Jeebus as them.

What a bunch of shiiite. Voter fraud is insignificant… unless the race is close. Already, we have seen several races that were close enough to be tipped by “insignificant” fraudulent voting (essentially, any race in the margin of error, like the 2000 Presidential race or the MN race for Senate). Close elections happen far more often than most folks think they do, and even an “insignificant” number of fraudulent voters can tip those races.

And the reason that this is most concerning to Republicans is that it is DEMOCRATS who do the most cheating. A relatively insignificant (in most cases) amount of cheating, but most of the cheating nontheless.

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@Rafe…”Then why is only one side opposed to reform.”

They aren’t one side understands that voter ID issues won’t fix the vast majority of fraud cases and does’t want to waste time and money.

As Kyle, has failed to dispute, voter ID would not have impacted the Franken example one whit. The problem occurred when the felon got on the roll. The only time a voter ID law impacts anything is when the person voting in not the one listed on the roll and that is not what happened here and I can’t think of a SINGLE EXAMPLE where someone has been convicted of that type voter fraud.

It is just another waste of time on a non-issue.

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“And the reason that this is most concerning to Republicans is that it is DEMOCRATS who do the most cheating. A relatively insignificant (in most cases) amount of cheating, but most of the cheating nontheless.”

I assume you will be posting a link from an unbiased source to back up this claim?

Yeah right

Good day

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“Latinos make up only about 14 percent of registered voters in Florida”

then:

“Funny how 58 percent of the people on the list to be checked are Latino.”

Comparing apples to oranges…..what do registered voters have to do with illegal voters?

Especially when the majority of illegals happen to be Hispanic:

http://www.cbs19.tv/Global/story.asp?S=10180211

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” will someone please logically explain to me all the Dem hoopla against requiring ids to vote? ”

Best I can tell it’s because the other side thinks it’s a good idea.

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“Why no mention of voter suppression and fraud on the Republican side?”

blogspot is ready when you are.

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“Without cheating, Dems would never win.”

Liars rehab is ready when you are

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GE pays nothing in taxes yet brain dead left wingers are silent on the matter. Obama’s own right hand man pays nothing in taxes.

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Vote for the Romney Hood , raises YOUR taxes while he evades paying his….

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@md…”So we shouldn’t try?”

Frankly, no. Ever hear of the Law of Diminishing Returns? It costs too much. When it comes to voting 97-98 percent is good enough.

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“raises YOUR taxes while he evades paying his….”

More DNC talking points from someone who hasn’t a clue how the economy works. Don’t you have a welfare check to collect?

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Logic

You made the statement. Back it up or you are a LIAR

Plain and simple.

But keep lying if that pumps up your ego and gets you through your day

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Logic how ironic for a mooron…

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“Logic how ironic for a mooron…”

PERSONAL ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Logic

Don’t get so excited that you get booted…………

Good day

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AGAIN

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“Don’t get so excited that you get booted…”

Not sure how I’d get booted since it was you that name called, sport.

Keep trying.

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logic

You know about that clock running out on these AJC blog, don’t you?

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Dont worry logic in 90 days it will all be over….tool ..

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No one from either side is claiming they support voter fraud. It’s a really bad thing.

But to claim thousands and thousands of cases when no one can produce more than barely a thousand in a single statewide vote of 2.9 million.

…and then comprehend dem dar facts as significance is totally mind boggling.

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Yeah, Jam, I’d like to see a few of those cases and see what the circumstances were.

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JamVet

Check out the last part of the article. It “suggests” that the voters were Democrats. Not one shred of hard evidence to back up Kyle or the organization in MN.

But it didn’t stop the overall innuendos in how the article was depicted.

Kyle is usually pretty good, but this was nothing less than a hit piece.

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Finn, perhaps someone has a link?

It seems like it would be extremely easy to produce it, no?

Or do you think that the faithful just accept such proclamations as incontrovertible proof?

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When Homeland Security director Janet Napolitano released a report in April 2009 identifying right-wing extremists as a threat to the country, conservatives howled. The general sentiment was expressed by Michelle Malkin, who declared the report a “piece of crap … propaganda … an Obama hit job.” Jonah Goldberg complained that the DHS report failed to stick “to the practice of describing these groups with more specificity and without the catchall, ideologically loaded descriptors.” Well, now that we have learned the murderer of six people at a Wisconsin Sikh temple was a well-known white supremacist, conservatives might want to consider reexamining their claims that terrorists don’t exist on the right side of the political spectrum.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/07/fbi_right_wing_terror_is_real/

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The problem here is that there’s greater evidence of voter SUPPRESSION rather than voter FRAUD!! The GOP is at the vanguard of voter SUPPRESSION…starting with the “Southern Strategy”…states’ rights….

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JamVet

Nice job getting the blog shut down early yesterday with your mindless rant about white people.

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Felons can get ID after they are released. How does having an ID stop voter fraud? It won’t. It will frustrate the very old, the very young and the poor voters who may not have a Government ID handy on election day. I suggest everyone either get the ID or Ask for an absentee ballot so you can vote and mail it in early. Make sure to follow the directions on the Absentee ballot.

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“Vote for the Romney Hood , raises YOUR taxes while he evades paying his….”

May want to check the innards of the hc and cc bills……it was very subtle pickpocketry….so subtle most are still not even aware of it…….

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Kyle Wingfield
August 6th, 2012
6:52 pm

As usual, comments are now going into moderation for the night.

Go hump someone else’s leg, boy, you bother me…

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“Go hump someone else’s leg, boy, you bother me…”

Sorry JamVet, I’m just not into beastiality like you are.

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I don’t see much added cost, I’ve been required to provide ID to my polling station “volunteer” for 30+ years……

people who have no concept of work often can’t see past their outstretched hand.

1) there is training the poll workers again
2) new literature detailing all the details
3) legal work to check that all the details are spelled out correctly
4) a process for handling all exceptions/questions. (This isn’t someone with just an 8th grade education, ya know?)

Now, how about the cost and bureacracy at the place you get the ID?
1) system for verification
2) printing of new instructions
3) training staff
4) additional open hours/ hours of operation may be necessary (people don’t work for free so hire another employee)
5) everyone who is just going for their normal renewals now lose extra minutes of their day (time is money)
etc
etc
etc

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@md…here is a nice state by state list based on actual costs incurred in Ga and In. Total $250 to $750 million not including lawsuits, wasted time and opportunity cost.

http://assets.democrats.org/pdfs/photoid/Dems-report-real_cost_of_voting_ID.pdf

BTW…Voter ID only impacts voter impersonation…there are less than 100 documented cases nationwide in the last 50 years. Including zero in MN 2008.

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logic, the skinny women never gossip? Is that it? And all skinny women can get dates but no fat women can get dates?

You can’t even do a put down without also putting down two other parts of society? 1) women 2) fat people?

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how do i get a voter ID card? don’t i need ID? and if so, why isn’t THAT ID good enough?

In Georgia, you register to vote and they mail you one or at least they mailed me one when they moved me to a different precinct. It doesn’t have your picture on it, though, so just about anybody of the same sex and species could use it, if nobody there knows you. Personally, I think if they’d just put a picture on that, we could quit arguing about this.

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the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

We’re talking about people who’ve served their time, but are disenfranchised because of state laws that don’t re-enfranchise these people upon release, who go to the polls because, I guess, they figure they’ve paid their debt and can go back to voting again–yes?

Sorry, Kyle, but I guess I’ll have to channel my outrage for something more outrageous.

/drive-by

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one other thing:

if it gives 80% of the population a better feeling

Filed for the next time someone from the right explains that we libruls are all about “feelings,” and that it’s the right wing who are the cold, hard, logicians.

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Kyle, the poster at 2:34 should at the very least have his post deleted. If it were me, I would ban him for it.

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Matter of fact Brian Kemp said we have record minority participation since the law went into effect.

I won’t even go into the logic failures in this one! LOL.

So,the huge increase in black voter turnout in 2008 compared to 2004 was dues to Voter ID laws? Of course it had nothing to do with the fact a black (at least part) person was running for the highest post int he land?

mwuahahahahahahahaha. Shuffle them numbers around just so they back your agenda there, td!
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/voting-rights-watch-2012?page=0%2C4#

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Oh, and I think photo ID would be a good idea when buying a gun too. Especially an assault rifle.

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“logic, the skinny women never gossip? Is that it? And all skinny women can get dates but no fat women can get dates?”

You don’t get sarcasm do you.

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Kyle,

You really need some better posters and not name callers.

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I love it when libs post columns from hard left rags like The Nation and then proceed to tell conservatives that Fox News is not real news.

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Coleman lost. Get over it and quit being crybabies and sore losers and making up imaginary bogeyman to explain it away. You are no better than the Dems and boobs in Florida who b*tched that the (W)orst Ever stole the election.

Sadly he won, and the next eight years were a living hell for this country. (Excluding a privileged few.)

But the law of the land was followed and that is what is most important.

So, all in all, I think the Democrats b*tching about picture ID at the polling place is ludicrous.

I think the neocons obsessing over supposed voter fraud is even more absurd.

And I agree with the poster earlier who mildly blasted Kyle for writing about what what appears to be ridiculously unfounded nothingness.

However, it’s his forum and I respect his choice of topics, which are usually much better thought out than this…

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“Sadly he won, and the next eight years were a living hell for this country. ”

Maybe for you but for a lot of people they were a HELL of a lot better than today.

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“You do NOT get to dictate what I think or believe.”

Project much?

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HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama: ‘I’m not the president of black America’

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-im-not-the-president-of-black-america-131351.html

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Maybe for you but for a lot of people they were a HELL of a lot better than today.

And for even more they were a HELLUVA lot worse.

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“And for even more they were a HELLUVA lot worse.”

No. No they weren’t.

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Why was unemployment lower all 8 years of his presidency than they have been under Obama?

It was at 8 percent and going through the roof when he left office.

Nice try though.

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No. No they weren’t.

Yes. Yes they were.

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“It was at 8 percent and going through the roof when he left office.”

It was 7.8% when Bush left office. Unemployment has been over 8% Obama’s entire first term.

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“From someone who uses the term “Logic” in their moniker? LOL.”

Diverting attention away from facts will get you nowhere, sport.

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“Vote fraud has plagued the GOP presidential nominating process since it began. ”

Lie.

“Every changed vote has been in favor of the Goldman Sachs candidate Mitt Romney. ”

LIE.

“Every other candidate has been impacted and the evidence is staggering.”

Lie.

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For Cheesywhatever

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

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It was 7.8% when Bush left office. Unemployment has been over 8% Obama’s entire first term.

7.8 percent and Skyrocketing.

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“7.8 percent and Skyrocketing.”

It skyrocketed under Obama.

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“Shouldn’t you right wingers be off planning your next mosque shoot-em up?”

Can’t wait for Kyle to see that one.

Have fun getting banned, Finn.

BTW, you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about since A MOSQUE HASN’T BEEN SHOT UP ON US SOIL.

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It skyrocketed under Obama.

LOL. Your a clown.

It was going up like a rocket before Obama took office and you know it.

You are a very very small man.

Sucks to be you.

See ya guys.

Kyle has allowed one clown to take over his blog. It gets old going in circles with a 5 year old.

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Finn

FYI, before you spout hate speech you should really know what you’re talking about, sport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism

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stupid people should not be allowed to vote. Period

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Well, here’s much ado about nothin’,

With lots of huffin’ and puffin.’

I hate to say it, Kyle,

But somethin’s outta style,

With libs stuffing the place with bluffin’.

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“No… just set on fire… twice in a row…”

Gotta love the ignorance of the left.

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“It was going up like a rocket before Obama took office and you know it.”

EHHHHHH, wrong again.

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Everybody just stop posting and let Logic exhaust himself chasing his tail.

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A little bit on Romney’s economist!

Hassett’s primary claim to fame is as the co-author of 1999′s “Dow 36000: The New Strategy for Profiting from the Coming Rise in the Stock Market.” Published at the height of the dot-com bubble, “Dow 36000″ urged investors not to delay piling into the market — stock valuations were bound to triple “within three to five years.” Hassett’s prediction is now regarded as the worst stock market call since economist Irving Fisher declared in September 1929 that “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.”

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/07/kevin_hassett_worlds_worst_economist_works_for_romney/

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Finn, curious, cheesy = same person

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Speaking or irony

The king of suspensions is talking about others being banned, yet none of the one’s being mentioned have been suspended or banned from any of the AJC blogs

bwhahahahahahaha

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Speaking of irony……….

Excuse me

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“The king of suspensions is talking about others being banned, yet none of the one’s being mentioned have been suspended or banned from any of the AJC blogs’

Oh, I’m sure you and several other bloggers are from Jay’s site and have been banned before.

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Things just get worse and worse for Obama.

How the mighty have fallen.

Priorities ad ties Mitt Romney to cancer death

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/priorities-ad-ties-mitt-romney-to-cancer-death/2012/08/07/d723d8c0-e084-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html

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“Shouldn’t you right wingers be off planning your next mosque shoot-em up?”

You are aware this reflects much more on you than any individual it is directed at….right?

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“You are aware this reflects much more on you than any individual it is directed at….right?

Yep, and when Kyle sees what Finn typed, I’m sure we’ll never see Finn in here again.

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““No but they sure have been burned.”

By who? The article doesn’t say WHO burned it. OHHHHHH, you already convicted the right for it.”

Their deeds are catching up to their words now… it’s fairly obvious.

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“Their deeds are catching up to their words now… it’s fairly obvious.”

Oh, so you did it?

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“You know this how?”

No evidence that a right winger did it is how.

Thanks for playing.

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Voter Fraud is what the GOP has in Michigan. When Voter’s Vote for a City Council, School District, or other agency the GOP/Republican Governor just voids the selection of the People and appoints a hand picked dictator in a hostile take over of that formerly voter selected agency heads. THIS is Voter Fraud, if it were done in another country GOP would yell and suggest we go to war to protect Democracy. Michigan needs help. Americans should take note of what the GOP stands for and look at Michigan as an example.

GOP: Wanted the Auto Industry to DIE; Result would have beenMillion added to unemployment numbers.

GOP: Stalled all continued aid to local Government and Schools after the Bush Tarp Funds went to the Banks and Financial Companies.

GOP: Take over and sell off of Michigan Public Property, including a Public Park which is now a Racially Segregated Golf Club as the Price of Membership excludes the minority public from participation.

GOP: Takes over Schools, Parks, Radio Stations, and Public Facilities and sell them off at discount rates to the only people with funds to make cash purchases… The Super Rich…

GOP: Unseats City Councils, School Boards, and other elected officials as a convince to the State Governor.

IF the GOP wins a few election cycles no reason to doubt they would return to the White Male Property Owners as being the only folk that have the right to vote. They may set a minimum property value at 1 billion just to make it easier to count the ballots.

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“Voter Fraud is what the GOP has in Michigan.”

Not meant to be a factual statement.

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Voter Fraud is what the GOP has in Michigan. When Voter’s Vote for a City Council, School District, or other agency the GOP/Republican Governor just voids the selection of the People and appoints a hand picked dictator in a hostile take over of that formerly voter selected agency heads. THIS is Voter Fraud, if it were done in another country GOP would yell and suggest we go to war to protect Democracy. Michigan needs help. Americans should take note of what the GOP stands for and look at Michigan as an example.

GOP: Wanted the Auto Industry to DIE; Result would have beenMillion added to unemployment numbers.

GOP: Stalled all continued aid to local Government and Schools after the Bush Tarp Funds went to the Banks and Financial Companies.

GOP: Take over and sell off of Michigan Public Property, including a Public Park which is now a Racially Segregated Golf Club as the Price of Membership excludes the minority public from participation.

GOP: Takes over Schools, Parks, Radio Stations, and Public Facilities and sell them off at discount rates to the only people with funds to make cash purchases… The Super Rich…

GOP: Unseats City Councils, School Boards, and other elected officials as a convince to the State Governor.

IF the GOP wins a few election cycles no reason to doubt they would return to the White Male Property Owners as being the only folk that have the right to vote. They may set a minimum property value at 1 billion just to make it easier to count the ballots.

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ProfPalefuddy

Do you have any shred of documentation to back up your ridiculous claims?

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“Great advice to Logic, but if you haven’t realized he does the same things he calls other bloggers out for doing. No self restraint. Can’t seem to help himself.”

So show me where I a: called any particular blogger a name, b: asked someone if they were going to shoot anyone, and c: threw out childish insults.

Thanks.

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return to the White Male Property Owners as being the only folk that have the right to vote.”

Interestingly enough, in Colonial Virginia, all white males of age could vote. George Washington helped get it changed to property owners only, to help the Constitution get ratified in Virginia. Property owners leaned more toward ratification and non-property owners leaned more against it. Even the Founding Fathers could connive, when it suited them.

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“His record speaks for itself.

Ok, so you can’t back up your claims.

Got it.

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If you have to produce a valid ID to hear a speech from Eric Holder, you should have to produce a valid ID to vote.

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“Another bit of unsolicited advice. Stick to the high road. You make your points better when you do. Don’t let a very few goad you into doing something. They win if you do.”

Yeah, I know but I do love to call the left wingers out for their outright lies. The only way they win, is if I get into name calling etc and I haven’t. Kyle is not going to ban me if I follow his rules which I have.

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“He has been placed in “time out” for acting like a kid on a few occasions.”

I love it when Bookman bloggers come over and change names. Keep, is that you?

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Didn’t you know = Kamchak

The emoticon gave it away.

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Hillbilly

Awwww not GEORGE WASHINGTON ?

I”m getting a new bumper sticker. i.e. GEORGE DIDN’T DO IT!

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“returning from idiotic wars started by CONSRVATIVES?”

Hillary and Joe Biden are conservatives?

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I remember when the GOP ran the country, right into the ground. 2000-2008, the lost decade.

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“I remember when the GOP ran the country, right into the ground. 2000-2008, the lost decade.”

Another lie by the left to attempt to take the attention off the fact that Obama is a complete failure.

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“There’s really nothing liberal or conservative about a mass murder spree. ”

Tell that to Finn and JamVet.

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FINN
You still don’t get it.

If is the live ones we respect as they suffer the loss. Doesn’t matter the political party of anyone. It is the sad loss of life that we do not use for controversy.

And you are wrong again about the Iraq war which I presume you mean. That war was approved by Congress which is composed of Democrats and Republicans.

Try to keep your prejudices in order.

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Some quotes on WMDs.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

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What would our political system look like if voting were a mandatory civic duty where you had to pay a fine for not doing it ?

If a person doesn’t want to vote or keep up with what’s going on, do we really want to force them to vote?

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“I remember when the GOP ran the country, right into the ground. 2000-2008, the lost decade.”

Proving once again that memory is one of the first things to go as you get older, Jefferson.

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One out of eight voting registrations is inaccurate, and about a quarter of those people eligible to cast a ballot are not even registered, according to a report released Tuesday by the Pew Center on the States.

The report describes a voting system in confusion, with about 1.8 million dead people listed on the rolls, some 2.8 million with active registrations in more than one state and 12 million with serious enough errors to make it unlikely that mail, from any political party or election board, can reach the right destination. In all, some 24 million registrations contain significant errors.

Even in the current election cycle, access to voting remains an issue. In general, Democrats have argued for the broadest definition of voting with the fewest obstacles, a position that favors their core groups of poor and young voters. Conservatives generally raise questions about whether the system is too open to fraud.

Given those numbers, I’m one of the conservatives who believes the system is ripe for fraud.

Why are dems so opposed to purging the rolls of incorrect data?

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@tiberius…”Proving once again that memory is one of the first things to go as you get older”

If you don’t remember that eight year path of destruction you really should get yours checked out.

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“Yeah, and next you’ll say the GOP wants to take your SS away.”

Only after wingnuts tell us that Obama will take our guns away… oh wait, that really happens…

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“If this isn’t true why do you wingnuts refuse to discuss those years?’

If you could actually read, you’d have read my earlier comments about how unemployment was MUCH lower than it is now.

I’d be MORE than happy to discuss the Bush years.

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@tiberius…”It would certainly stop illegal aliens from voting.”

O do enlighten us to a couple of points….

1). Just how many case of that have been discovered in the las fifty years.
2). If a undocumented worker were so inclined to vote that they created the false documents to register. Why do you think they would come to the polls without them?

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” Why do you think they would come to the polls without them?

Because a lot of polling stations don’t look at voter ID. Illinois for instance.

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If those numbers didn’t convince anyone of the need for Voter ID, it costs each county within the U.S. over $4.00, per person, to maintain voter rolls. It costs Canada 35cents, per person, to maintain voter rolls.

Voter ID is mandatory in Canada.

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Can’t wait for the left wingers take on this.

Emails: Geithner, Treasury drove cutoff of non-union Delphi workers’ pensions

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/07/emails-geithner-treasury-drove-cutoff-of-non-union-delphi-workers-pensions/#ixzz22teyIhcc

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JDW

Why are you so afraid of voter ID?

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@@@…”If those numbers didn’t convince anyone of the need for Voter ID, it costs each county within the U.S. over $4.00, per person, to maintain voter rolls. It costs Canada 35cents, per person, to maintain voter rolls”

Has zero to do with I’d and everything to do with managing data across jurisdictions.

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Rightwing Troll and JDW

Your lives must be set on suppositions. What if???? All information on Iraq came through the CIA and other Intelligence Groups. Material also came from British Intel which closely backed what Americans had found.

What material Congress received was the same material the president received. Bush & Cheney only passed what info they received to congress which is composed of both parties. Unless you are saying the your own Demo half of congress is perfectly stupid, then go ahead.

And to treat 9/11 like it did not happen or was not caused by terrorists is absolutely brainless. George W. Bush stood before us after that disaster and held us together as a country.

(All of this has been confirmed over & over & over.)

Yep, your memory is not only poor, but very selective. You should be ashamed to pass on the misinformation poured out so many times by people with no sense of truth or patriotism. Running down your own country for political purposes is not patriotism. Yet you do it so often. Today is the perfect example.

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@Dusty…what the hell are you talking about?

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“If you don’t remember that eight year path of destruction you really should get yours checked out.”

I remember those years, JDW. I also know that there is not a single, solitary bill that was signed during that time that anyone can point to as being the cause of the recession. I also know that the 30+ previous years of liberal policies and the GOP’s failure to dismantle them, are the real cause of this current downturn.

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“Based on a gaggle of wingnut bald faced lies… so yes, the congress voted for it based on what they thought they “knew” (which was what they were told by W, Rummy, Cheney, et al…)”

Selective memory? Part of that intel came from the Clinton admin…..and then there were 20+ resolutions in that bastion of worthlessness called the UN…..and as others have stated Congress was privy to the same info. And then let’s not forget that Congress critters with clearance have the ability to look into things on their own………….it went forward with the needed votes. Deal with it….

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Voter ID laws are nothing more than a backdoor way to create a POLL TAX…which has been made ILLEGAL!! Note: it COSTS to get the proper paperwork needed for a “free ID” when prior to 2006 in Georgia (and 2010 otherwise), all one needed to vote was a voter registration card and/or a utility bill!! When a 93 year old registered voter can’t get voter ID because of the inability to get her birth certificate…THAT’S a problem!!

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/93-year-old-woman-who-cleaned-state-capitol-denied-voter-id

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@Tiberuis…”I also know that there is not a single, solitary bill that was signed during that time that anyone can point to as being the cause of the recession.”

There was so much bad there I can’t begin to list it all, these are just some of the economic ones….

The Return to Deficits
Iraq
Tax Cuts for the Rich
Financial Regulation
Telling Us to Go Shopping
Energy Policy
A State of Denial
The Muddled Bailout

Educate yourself read more at:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1872229,00.html#ixzz22tjx9jxD

It will all come back. When it does we can talk about other things like torture and “Mission Accomplished”

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“I was wrong”

heck even the righties knew that…………. When are you ever right is the question you need to ask yourself?

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The GOP really exposed themselves in Texas. The fact that Texas will allow a gun permit as voter ID but not college ID’s just goes to show what they are really trying to do to prevent “voter fraud”.

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JDW:

Don’t get all twitchy, fella.

I was asking why dems are opposed to purging the rolls when there’s obviously a need to unload the dead voters. Look at all the hooplah over Florida’s purge. Could it be because their rolls are in dire need of updating?

‘Ya gotta admit, if someone were to get their hands on voter rolls to do a little “fact” checking, the potential for fraud is there.

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I Report
OBAMA: ROMNEY WANTS VP PETRAEUS

You do know that is just Obamaloney. He wants to set it up that Petraeus turned down Mitt. There is nothing from the Romney campaign indicating that he ever seriously considered Petraeus.

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gm

Amazing in 2000 when Bush stole the election

gm, I will not ask for any proof or link or evidence, just your explanation of how Bush stole the election. This should be entertaining, can’t wait.

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“And to treat 9/11 like it did not happen or was not caused by terrorists is absolutely brainless. George W. Bush stood before us after that disaster and held us together as a country.”

Unlike the wingnuts who deny George W Bush ever happened, nobody is treating 9/11 like it didn’t happen, we’re just puzzled how an idiot like W could dupe you rubes into an unnecessary war of choice…

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gm 5:33

More misinformation! Bush stole no election. Gore lost one. Get over it. Been too long to hold on to that big old lie.

Keep hollering fraud. You’ll be saying the same thing when Romney gets elected. I see you have the setup ready. It’s FRAUD!!!

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When a 93 year old registered voter can’t get voter ID because of the inability to get her birth certificate…THAT’S a problem!!

My first question would be, is this woman on Social Security? Both of my parents, and scores of other people from my area in the same age range, had to get a birth certificate before they could collect their Social Security. Georgia didn’t even have birth certificates until 1919 and compliance was spotty for a couple decades after that. It’s not uncommon for an elderly person to have to get a birth certificate.

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“we’re just puzzled how an idiot like W could dupe you rubes into an unnecessary war of choice…”

I’m unaware that anybody but Congress voted to go to war, Rightwing Troll. Please refresh my memory as to when that vote occurred.

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we’re just puzzled how an idiot like W could dupe you rubes into an unnecessary war of choice…

Guess Hillary Clinton and John Kerry are rubes as well, because they voted for the war. Hillary had Slick Willie to check with before the vote. I guess that rube mislead her. I thought Hillary was the smartest woman in the world and she got duped as well?

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“Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?”

Obama’s own words, JamVet. Perhaps you should spend more time reading.

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“Amazing in 2000 when Bush stole the election’

Love it that the left wingers are still upset that OwlGore lost.

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JDW
The only thing voter ID does is make life hard for 11 million Americans who are eligible to vote but don’t possess the required government issued photo ID.

Yeah, almost as bad as being water boarded, for sure. How anyone lives without an ID amazes me. Do we want these people voting? Obviously, they don’t use the library, or drive to the store, or go to the doctor, or drink alcohol. They do have a rough life, but hey it is America, their choice.

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Obama’s own words, JamVet.

Then post them, liar.

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“Too bad that 97% of the congressional cons voted to get all those kids killed in Iraq.”

Another left winger who “accidentally” left out the fact that MANY MANY MANY Democrats voted for BOTH wars.

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“It was YOUR war.”

Gee, I had no idea I had such power.

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Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
August 7th, 2012
5:44 pm
College ID’s are not accepted in many states, because they have no expiration date on them. You could have graduated 10 years ago and go back to the college town and vote, if that is your ID.

Sounds very reasonable, as there should be expiration dates. I suppose the Texas GOP went back and amended their law to make expiration dates legal. After all, democracy is about the participation of as many citizens as possible, right?

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I agree that the Iraq victory was all George Bush. Why are we arguing this?

toodles

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***** meant REQUIRE expiration dates….. not expiration dates legal….****

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“the Bush years were a stroll in the park”

Low unemployment rate, not nearly as much debt…

I miss the Bush years.

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It’s funny how JamVet ONLY gets angry when soldiers die when a Republican is president. He never ever ever says a word about soldiers who died in Korea or Vietnam.

BTW, JamVet. Many soldiers have died under the Obama presidency yet you STILL blame Bush.

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OH, 5:51

Any ignoramus who does not know that war is hell and forgets that a war is still being fought with terrorists in Afghanistan and Bush is not president now and went to war with bi-partisan Congressional approval……such a person should refrain from showing his ignorance and prejudice.

It isn’t a pretty sight and has become a repetitious rendering. Take a Tylenol every night, fellow, and you may feel better. But the prognosis is doubtful. You’ve been sayng the same misinformation for so long.

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Dusty

It’s obvious that the guy is a very angry person. His rants are the same now as they were 10 years ago.

Bush is evil, Cheney is the devil, Repubs are mean, Halliburton, Enron, Wall Street blah blah blah. White people are nazis and Christians are part of the taliban (his words btw).

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The anti-war crowd does themselves no favors when the dems controlled the whole shooting match for 2 years and elected to double down in Afghanistan……..like it or not folks both parties were/are involved. All this silliness about which one did what is a bit comical. There were yes votes for both wars, and yes votes to continue….it is what it is.

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“After all, democracy is about the participation of as many citizens as possible, right?”

Two points, Tealiban.

1. No, it is not. Democracy is nothing but one person – one vote.
2. We are not a democracy, so your point carries no water.

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“democracy is about the participation of as many citizens as possible, right?”

Ask Rome. The USA is a Constitutional Republic. Funny how left wingers can’t even get that right.

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“When 5% of the population gets 44.2% of the benefit and 20% gets 66% that equals tax cuts for the rich.”

Maybe the bottom percent should go to school, get a degree in something relevant and then they too can pay more taxes for dead beats.

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The anti-war crowd does themselves no favors when the dems controlled the whole shooting match for 2 years and elected to double down in Afghanistan……..like it or not folks both parties were/are involved. All this silliness about which one did what is a bit comical. There were yes votes for both wars, and yes votes to continue….it is what it is.

I can’t see where Obama’s actions in Iraq/Afghanistan were/are much different from Bush’s. The major reason troops are leaving Iraq is because that’s what Iraq wants.

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JDW:

Who are “those people”?

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“We are talking about poor and old people…get real.”

And both can get a valid drivers license or a state issued license.

But you already knew that.

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“how are they getting by without government assistance, WHICH, should require some sort of government issued ID.”

BINGO

I wrote that earlier and NOT ONE SINGLE LEFT WINGER said a peep.

To get welfare, a person HAS to show a valid photo ID.

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@@@…”If they’re old, they’ve likely got a government issued Social Security card. If they’re poor, how are they getting by without government assistance, WHICH, should require some sort of government issued ID.”

Of course they have a Social Security card that’s how they registered and were verified…unfortunately that is not an acceptable government issued photo ID and is not accepted as Voter ID so even though they are registered, eligible and verified THEY CAN’T VOTE.

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Logic was never intended for libs

August 7th, 2012
6:01 pm

“Voter ID laws are nothing more than a backdoor way to create a POLL TAX”

More lies from left wingers.”

Really….if you have to PAY to get a birth certificate in order to get a “free voter ID”….that IS basically a backdoor POLL TAX!!

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@”Logic”…”most of them have a drivers license of state ID card”

And yet 11 million don’t…guess you missed that little point.

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A Social Security card isn’t enough to draw a check when you get 65 (or whatever age it is for you). You have to prove how old you are and that takes a birth certificate. It’s a pain in the butt to get one, if you don’t have one, but it’s done every day. You also need to apply for your Social Security a year before you want/are eligible to start drawing. It takes that long to go through the process.

As a for instance, Daddy had been a registered voter for years, was a WWII vet, had a Georgia Veterans Drivers license (still does), but he still had to have a birth certificate, to prove he was old enough to draw his Social Security. He didn’t have one so he had to go through the state and get one. I forget how many but there are several things they will accept as proving when you were born. One is family Bible records and I forget what else. I do know that you have to have more than one thing (seems like it was 3) off a list of several.

That would apply to anybody born in Georgia before 1919 and to an awful lot of people, especially in rural areas, that were born in the 20 years or so, after that. It was about WWII before people really started to comply with birth and death certificates, in Georgia.

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“if you have to PAY to get a birth certificate in order to get a “free voter ID”….that IS basically a backdoor POLL TAX!!”

HDB is a very confused person.

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“God you are ignorant…NO THEY DON”T”

Yes. Yes you do.

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“WRONG!! A library card or voter’s registration card along with Social Security card is all that’s needed!! ”

Common documents asked for are proof of income, ID, and utility bills or other proof of residency.

Guess you don’t even read the links that you post.

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Hillbilly:

To my way of thinking, all things are possible if the motivation is there.

One of my most treasured possessions was a Social Security card my Dad got for me. It was available only to veterans (metal). My billfold went missing with the card inside it.

Didn’t care about the money or anything else in the billfold…but that card meant world to me.

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Why is anyone surprised that the party of the godless would stoop to simple vote fraud? I mean the leader of said party is a man that advocated for infanticide!!! Besides, vote fraud is a civil right in Chicago.

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@”logic”…take it up with the USDA, you know the ones that make the rules. A link to which I included so you might educate yourself and you unsurprisingly ignored.

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Americans want the voting process to be as secure and reliable as possible. Democrats don’t. Honest elections favor Republicans.

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O’dear maybe they can sign on the internet from thier spanking new computer in their nice house after work tonight.

Nope, but if they had an ID they could use the FREE computers at the library. People who make life hard on themselves, don’t get to complain about the hardship.

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Not a shred of evidence of voter fraud and state Republicans pass legislation making it harder to vote, close polling sites in Democratic areas, eliminate or reduce early voting, and use every dirty trick such as phone messages telling people the election is another day than it really is. Mike Huckebee even suggested that Republicans go into Democratic areas and let the air out of tires on election day. Anything to steal an election. As far as felons voting Democrat, I guess the right wing white supremacist who just killed six people in a temple, (i.e. felon) would vote Democrat if he got the chance, eh?

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Every time I buy a six pack of beer I’m required to show my proper identification. This always annoys the hell out of me because I’m sixty years old, and couldn’t be confused with a twenty year old in the most favorable lighting, let alone the glaring neon’s at the super market. stupid laws, passed by stupid politicians, elected by stupid voters. I can never figure out why I’m stupid and I vote isn’t a popular bumper sticker.

Why the big deal about a request most consider nothing more than minor nuisance? It occurs to me that drug dealers don’t ask our kids to show their ID’s. Can’t buy beer? No biggie we’ll just score some meth instead. Stupidity is a gift that just keeps on giving.

Some time ago, I really can’t remember where, I was listening to one of Nixon’s famous expletives deleted tapes. As many of my grey haired brethren may remember, Nixon declared war on drugs. Since that glorious day, We’ve spent billions, and imprisoned millions. Why was Nixon inspired to throw the collective might of the federal government in a war against drugs? Was he concerned about our vulnerable youth, our values, or the vengeance of a wrathful god? Nope, none of these things seemed to concern Tricky Dick. He was however terrified that pot smokers tended to be democrats. In Nixon’s delusional paranoid universe drugs created democrats, and come hell or high water he was going to stop them.

Fast forward. Today we’re lead to believe that voter fraud is a huge problem. Grandma has voted in every election since Dewey beats Truman, but now she needs a picture ID. Thank god we’ve saved democracy. About that war on drugs,not to worry
victory’s just around the corner.

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For the record, I am concerned a great deal about voter fraud. However, I think Kyle’s pointing at a pit bull, and saying check out that scary looking tail. Even though the pit bull may leave an unwelcome surprise on your lawn from time to time, the tail isn’t the problem It’s the other side. The Teeth. By the same token, the problem with voter fraud isn’t caused by casting ballots, but rather by counting them. these silly voter ID laws do nothing to address the larger issue.

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Kyle, other than the 77 convicted of fraud you have no other examples because we all know it never happens, exept those cases where people are actually convicted and in jail. But other than those we know it never happens.

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GOP CONS ARE ALL FRAUDS

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…liberals don’t need truth and evidence.

Well, they certainly are never going to get any of either from you…

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I enjoy reading all of the comments on various subjects. Registering to vote is what is required; if you have done so….you should vote for whomever you prefer. Stopping and preventing people who are register to vote becomes a problem…….and that goes on all of the time. Every legal vote counts and we must stop doing crazy things to keep anyone from voting. There is no such thing as a perfect person running for office……and whomever you prefer to vote for…do it. Really, there is no different in any person running for office, they are both human beings with different agenda….perhaps personal but that is what we are ourselves, personal to vote for those we want to vote for. The rest of the opinions are well perceived and put yourself in the shoes of the person running…you want more votes then the other person to win the office of the President. To put things in a ugly way……we all have been pulled into this “money” contribution for those running for President, and that is what it takes to win……..money! In voting and giving your party the money you want them to have ensure they are honest, forthright and upfront because if they are not, our economy will not get better because it would be focus on the person elected into office with a lot of baggages that was not open up when he had the opportunities to do so!

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Minnesota needs to do a better job of purging the voter registration list of convicted felons.

If that’s their law (and I guess it is), I agree. Whining about it 3½ years later is a bit unseemly, though.

That said, can someone explain to me why people who have served their time, and who are supposed to go back to being productive, taxpaying citizens, should not have a right to vote?

What, pray tell, is the point to that?

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You people are just flat obtuse…

Take Samantha for instance…”all this noise because you have to provide about the same ID as a library card?”

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant. Any one of these will get you a library card…

• Driver’s license
• Student ID card
• Voter registration card
• Printed checks with current address
• Rent receipts or lease
• Social services identification
• Fulton County property tax receipts
• Current utility bill
• Parent/Guardians may use their ID to obtain cards for their children

Only the Drivers License will suffice for voting.

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@Get over it…”intuitively obvious to me that I would need to identify myself to exercise the most fundamental right of citizenship”

Point is that you already had…when you registered.

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@Rafe…”It is not the GOP suppressing the vote, anyone with an iota of individual responsibility who is eligible to vote may do so. Some, however, chose to do nothing and suppress their own vote!”

O’ I see its just your job to make it as hard a possible. That way you can just eliminate those that don’t have transportation, time or money needed to get an ID that is used AT NO OTHER TIME IN THIER LIFE.

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So how would voter ID have stopped this fraud? Felons can’t get IDs?

Also, ID cards aren’t free, Kyle. http://www.dds.ga.gov/drivers/DLdata.aspx?con=1746395936&ty=dl

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The harder requirements are from Congress, something called the Real ID act. They are stupid, but that is what congress does, use the shotgun when ever possible, to get everyone rather than target the guilty.

Kinda like voter ID, 99% of the people have an ID, but rather than require the other 1% to get an ID, JDW and others want to make victims of these poor unprepared people.

As I learned with my children, expectations are everything. If you have low expectations for someone, usually that is what you get. If you will not accept poor performance and attitude, you usually get better results. Victimhood produces more victims.

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My objection is not voter ID laws, it is the way they are being used. It is completely unfair to implement a new ID laws 90 days before a primary, the denial to vote if you only have a voter ID card and any picture ID, and the denial to vote if you only show ANY federal ID.

I think the voter ID card should have a picture on it and only require the OLD rules to get the driver’s license, not the Real ID crap! We are to prevent clear voter fraud, not disenfrancise voters that can only prove they are a citizen.

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I’m not sure if your article proves your point or not. The argument isn’t that there is no voter fraud. It’s that there is no need for a voter ID law to combat voter fraud. With voter ID laws, those same 177 people would have voted. That’s about felons voting, not people voting using another identity. Better luck next time

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Voter I.D. applies to all voters –not just democrats or repbulicans for that matter. People have i.d. in order to drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, get welfare, etc, etc.. A free state i.d. shouldn’t prove to harsh a burden if people truly wish to vote. It is foolish to think all those people acorn signed up (minnie mouse, etc) didn’t vote. Our laws should be reasonable and fair and this is. Our attorney general is playing the race card again in certain states. He also played it when he allowed whites to be intimidated by black panthers at the polls. Good article Kyle and you are spot on!!

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Am I the only one to notice how quiet Al Franken has been?

How dare he quietly go about his work and learn the ropes as a freshman Senator? Obviously there’s some kind of skullduggery afoot.

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@Rafe…”Kinda like voter ID, 99% of the people have an ID, but rather than require the other 1% to get an ID, JDW and others want to make victims of these poor unprepared people. ”

One of your problems Rafe is that you base your arguments on incorrect premises.

First off 99% of the voters DO NOT HAVE AN ID. Maybe 99% of the ones you know but the real number is that 11 million eligible voters do not have photo id…that’s about 5% of the electorate.

The next question, especially for one that claims to be against “gubment interference”, is why should they be required to obtain one if they don’t need it? Their eligibility was confirmed upon registration so it can’t be that. Requiring Voter ID only prevents voter impersonation…not exactly a problem with fewer than 100 cases in the last 50 years…so it can’t be that. So what is the reason, other than of course the oblivious of creating barriers for people that umm…well…we just don’t think meet our “standards” for voting purity?

What is it Rafe?

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