2012 Tuesday: Voter fraud, not suppression, is real

It’s an election year, so we’re being treated to the usual back-and-forth about whether requiring voters to show a photo ID at the polls is an attempt to suppress voting or just voter fraud.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder — never hesitant to politicize an issue — last month likened voter ID laws to Jim Crow-era poll taxes that suppress minority voting. Of course, neither he nor any plaintiff in a court challenge to a voter ID laws has produced any evidence that suppression has taken place. I’ve always thought it is insulting to minorities to suggest they are incapable, or unmotivated, or whatever, when it comes to obtaining a free, state-issued photo ID.

On the contrary: Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp noted in a recent interview that since the General Assembly passed our voter ID law in 2006, the number of minority voters has soared — between both the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections, and the 2006 and 2010 gubernatorial elections. That’s strong evidence against the idea that the law is suppressing voting by minorities. (H/t: Georgia Tipsheet)

Critics of voter ID requirements argue that voter fraud is non-existent, and that champions of these laws are trying to solve a non-problem. A new book by two leading supporters of voter ID laws aims to take away that argument, too.

In “Who’s Counting?”, conservative journalist John Fund and former Civil Rights Commissioner (and one-time Georgia resident) Hans von Spakovsky argue that a current U.S. senator may be in office thanks to voter fraud. Byron York explains in a Washington Examiner column about the book:

In the ‘08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

York adds: “With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.”

At the very least, those 1,099 examples — and 177 convictions, so far — represent far more evidence in favor of voter ID laws than opponents have ever mustered for their case.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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472 comments Add your comment

From the Center

August 7th, 2012
11:14 am

I think photo ID’s should be required. I really do not understand why it is an issue for some people.

Oblama

August 7th, 2012
11:14 am

Dead people vote democrat.

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August 7th, 2012
11:15 am

I’ve always thought it is insulting to minorities to suggest they are incapable, or unmotivated, or whatever, when it comes to obtaining a free, state-issued photo ID.

It’s not meant to be an insult. It’s what these racists democrats truly believe and, above all, including God, country and their own family, they do not want to lose one vote.

It’s just so slimy.

Oblama

August 7th, 2012
11:18 am

Why are the left fighting voter I.D.’s ? Dead people don’t need voter I. D.’s .. they all voter democrat.

ragnar danneskjold

August 7th, 2012
11:19 am

Good contrast between the faux race-baiting concerns of the left vs the conservative distress over proven manipulation of election ballots. No real hope for remedy so long as the master of the Fast and Furious cover-up remains the most powerful prosecutor in the land.

Slick Rick

August 7th, 2012
11:19 am

Zzzzzzzzzzzz. AG is “never hesitant to politicize an issue.” Tell me, dear Kyle, who in modern ‘Merican politics isn’t hesitant to politiize an issue. A: Nobody, for they all are. Your disingenuosness is both extremely annoying and tiring.

Schneeeert

Oblama

August 7th, 2012
11:24 am

Hanging chads didn’t work……. voter I.D. will. We have I. D. to get S.S. We have I. D. to get a driver’s license. Got to have an I. D. to get welfare. What’s the problemo? ‘Cause dems want illegals (the dead, non citizens, criminals with felonies, the insane, etc. ) to vote democrat. That is the only reasonable conclusion.

Jefferson

August 7th, 2012
11:25 am

You got nothing.

Oblama

August 7th, 2012
11:28 am

Notice little ricky did not answer the question or address the issue of voter I.D. No use him arguing – can’t win the debate. Voter I. D. stops illegal voters in their tracks. Ricky thinks illegal voters have a right to vote democrat. Right little ricky?

Oblama

August 7th, 2012
11:31 am

Leftists were born without a conscience and a sense of right and wrong. Cheat to win elections – sure why not if it advances the cause. Whatever it takes to keep Obama in power. Tat is why democrats oppose voter I.D.

TRUTH

August 7th, 2012
11:33 am

Strangely, a felon who has served his time tends to vote democrat? Hmmm, does that mean there are disproportionately large numbers of the black and brown persuasion, maybe? Hmmmm?

Out of a nation of millions, 1,099 cases brought with 107 convictions adjudicated. Yessirreee, Kyle, major voter fraud issues!!! Ol’ President Obama rode that wave clean into the White House!! Seriously?

Voter suppression is lamented on by both sides (I am Democrat, btw). The GOP has just taken it to a newer level. The down side is the GOP is not to savvy with the internets… These seemingly small skirmishes that Kyle eludes too in Minnesota turn into full blown insanity much like that in Florida and other GOP led states. It is low hanging fruit for the conservative right as it continues to fuel fear.

If any GOP candidate is seriously working for the people, and I will include Democrats, Independents, Green, Tea or whatever the affiliation, there should be no fear of voter fraud. Anything less than that standard IS a suppressible tactic, and can be compared to that of a poll tax. Disenfranchising registered voters is a GOP strategy and they have caught on more than one occasion doing so.

Nonetheless, I, and the rest of the country and world can see and smell the fear in the GOP.

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:35 am

“Leftists were born without a conscience and a sense of right and wrong. ”

Kyle: Send this man a prize for the most ignorant an uniformed post of the day

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:36 am

Kyle

Why no mention of voter suppression and fraud on the Republican side?

It does exist, right?

Kyle Wingfield

August 7th, 2012
11:40 am

If it ain’t @ 11:36: I welcome any investigation, by anyone, finding any voter fraud that should be addressed — by voter ID or other measures.

Puck

August 7th, 2012
11:40 am

There is a simple answer that will end the legal arguments against voter id laws. Provide it free of charge. This includes the photo id as well as any documentation required to obtain the id (birth certificate, social security card, etc.).

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:42 am

Kyle

My point is that there have been convictions in regards to voter fraud, etc on both sides of the aisle, but for some strange reason you only mention one side.

Be honest: Did it have anything to do with “framing” your argument to depict a one sided issue?

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:44 am

Kyle

What happened to Charlie White of Indiana?

Wasn’t he found guilty of voter fraud?

Wasn’t he a government official?

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:48 am

Kyle

Wasn’t a Republican official in MD convicted of voter suppression during the 2010 election?

meno

August 7th, 2012
11:48 am

We have strong evidence (Kyle’s phrase) of what the republican intentions are by the purging of legitimate voters off rolls in Fla. Remember, that wound up giving us the Bush presidency–something, I know cons say we should never think about, but nonetheless something that has been much more damaging than anything Franken has done or will do.

Auntie Christ

August 7th, 2012
11:50 am

“With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats,

I never knew that g gordon liddy, oliver north, haldemann, erlichmann, jack abramoff, duke cunningham, and a couple thousand more felons I could name, voted democratic. This has certainly been enlightening. Thanx wingfield, we can always count on you for objectivity.

Jefferson

August 7th, 2012
11:51 am

May as well post something about the college playoffs.

JP

August 7th, 2012
11:51 am

I just renewed my driver’s license and, with the new rules, you have to provide numerous forms of identification (birth certificate, SS card, recent bills proving residency) proving who you are and where you live, etc. Why should voters be able to provide any less credible ID to cast a ballot? You should have valid photo ID to vote…period.

Dusty

August 7th, 2012
11:52 am

Very clear and accurate evidence of voter fraud, Kyle. Good evidence for voter ID.

But as Ragnar suggests @ 11:19: the ones who backed voter fraud will not condemn the ones who actually conducted and participated in the fraud. Justice is denied.

Kyle Wingfield

August 7th, 2012
11:52 am

If it ain’t: My purpose was to point out there’s a book rebutting the claims that voter fraud doesn’t happen. Imo, liberals and Democrats are the ones who have framed the issue as one-sided by declaring there’s no problem. Like I said earlier, if they would decide instead to investigate and prosecute cases of GOP voter fraud, I’d consider it a step forward.

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:52 am

Kyle

You do write a right leaning column, so common sense dictates you will be coming from a right leaning perspective on most issues. On something like this it would be nice to show a little integrity and state that it takes place by both Democrats and Republicans.

You purposely framed your article to prove your point. The article in itself is true and has merit, but it is disingenuous to only point out Democrats, when you know damn well Republicans are also involved in this crap.

td

August 7th, 2012
11:53 am

Below is one way voter fraud is committed with voter id:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/09/Okeefe-Holder

td

August 7th, 2012
11:53 am

Should be without voter id laws.

Trolls Bane

August 7th, 2012
11:54 am

Why do we continue to allow the mindless rabble to vote? Mob rule was not what our founding fathers had in mind when the wrote the Constituion. Only educated or propertied persons should be voting.

Jefferson

August 7th, 2012
11:54 am

The burden should not be on the voter, it should be on the state.

Auntie Christ

August 7th, 2012
11:55 am

If it aint…..1135 AM “Kyle: Send this man a prize for the most ignorant an uniformed post of the day”

It is still early, if you read the comments of the rightie wackos on here with any regularity, you’d know this comment won’t even get honorable mention by the end of the day.

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:56 am

Kyle

Thanks for the reply. Didn’t read your 11:52, until after my 11:52 posted.

As for books and articles, you know that you or I can quickly find biased sources that will show that each side is the spawn of the devil, but that doesn’t mean all Democrats or Republicans think that way of the other party or the individuals that make up the parties.

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
11:58 am

Auntie Christie

There is much stupidity to go around: left and right.

Just read the comments on both Winfield’s and Bookman’s blogs each day.

With that said, even when I disagree there are some good comments from all sides as well.

Funkisha

August 7th, 2012
11:58 am

Kyle I agree that vote fraud is real and the example you cited of 1,099 felons voting in MN shows it.

But wouldn’t some, or even all, of the convicted felons have some form of photo ID like a drivers license that would enable them to vote? The information given suggests the voter rolls in that state are not purged of felons and that voting is based on the honor system.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
12:02 pm

1,099 felons stuck their butts out on the line, risked the possibility of more jail time (for $0 gratification!!!) just so they could vote for Al Franken???

Unfrikinbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least if you are going to break a law and risk imprisonment — the DUMBEST criminal in the world would realize — you might as well do it by AT LEAST choosing a crime that has A POSSIBILITY of paying off in some TANGIBLE MONETARY WAY!!!!!!!!!!

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WE have these ALTRUISTIC FELONS (!!!) who are willing to RISK IT ALL…..so they can vote in an election? And for AL FRANKEN?

You folks are BAT~~~~ CRAZY!

td

August 7th, 2012
12:04 pm

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
12:02 pm

“1,099 felons stuck their butts out on the line, risked the possibility of more jail time (for $0 gratification!!!)”

I am willing to bet that at least in some cases there was some “walking around” money exchanged for walking into the polls.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
12:05 pm

We have Republicans ON RECORD claiming the reason for most of these voter ID laws is to keep minorities from voting. Where are the “on-the-record” staments of Democrats discussing how they are going to commit voter fraud?

td

August 7th, 2012
12:06 pm

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
12:05 pm

Proof please?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
12:07 pm

td, join the Bat~~~~ CRAZY crowd!

Step right up!

People found FELONS who were WILLING to go BACK TO JAIL so they can vote for Al frikin Franklin?? How much money would that be worth? AND NOBODY TALKED ABOUT IT???????

sv

August 7th, 2012
12:08 pm

How would a voter ID law in Minnesota prevent felons from voting? Are felons also banned from obtaining a drivers license or government issued ID? Is there a mark on the ID identifying the bearer as a felon?

This type of fraud is real but it is a poor reason to justify voter ID laws.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 7th, 2012
12:08 pm

Yeah, there’s more votes cast in a typical big lib city election then there are registered voters and the dummycrats want you to prove that there’s fraud.

And if most of these big lib cities go 94% to the dems, how are the Repugs getting drug into this?

If it aint one thing it's another

August 7th, 2012
12:09 pm

Kyle

Somewhat off topic: I have heard Boortz attempt to get Dupree to demean Franken as a Senator on two different occasions. Both times Dupree told Boortz that what he has seen and heard himself as well as what he has heard “off record” is that Franken is doing a decent job and gets along petty well with his colleagues across the aisle.

Of course once Boortz realizes that Dupress will not give him and his audience the “red meat” they want, he moves on to another topic.

Jeffrey

August 7th, 2012
12:09 pm

I don’t mind showing my I’d to vote but I see the same folks year after year and they know I’m not a felon. It would be nice to go back to the days where they might have asked if you were still living at the same address. Nonetheless I still don’t believe there is rampant voter fraud I am though convinced that there is a good chance of computer error that would result in an eligible voter to be nixed. I am very happy that I don’t have to show my papers just to renew my drivers license for a long time but that is because it doesn’t expire for years.

td

August 7th, 2012
12:11 pm

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

August 7th, 2012
12:07 pm

If you would have read the article then you would have seen where no one was ever prosecuted before this group pushed for the DA’s to enforce the law.

If you will stand on the corner and sell crack, pot or Meth then for you to walk into a polling place and cast a vote for a person you do not probably even know for $20 or $50 is clearly not so crazy.

TRUTH

August 7th, 2012
12:11 pm

I think this article has been properly “DEBUNKED…”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 7th, 2012
12:12 pm

Melt down @ 12:02. Fire hose please.

Trolls Bane

August 7th, 2012
12:15 pm

Why do we continue to allow the uneducated rabble and dependents on the system (welfare,TANF, etc) the vote? The will only vote for the candidate that promises more largess from the public trough.

Our founding fathers well knew thier history and knew that democracies always fail, as they must when the hoi-polloi discover they can vote themselves largess from the public trough. The vote is a civic duty and solemn obligation and should only be allowed to those members of society capable of its proper exersize. We would be much better off had we follow the wisdom of our founders.

MiltonMan

August 7th, 2012
12:16 pm

“The down side is the GOP is not to savvy with the internets…”

There is more than one internet??? Thank God we have libs around to keep us informed of this.

obozo

August 7th, 2012
12:18 pm

Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. How do you expect me to keep all my wittle chiwuns on the reservation if they have to go get IDs and jobs and bank accounts and become responsible citizens? I mean come on.

Are you drunk this morning or something?

getalife

August 7th, 2012
12:18 pm

Of course, the gop will try to cheat. They have not changed but all the unAmerican and unpatriotic actions by the gop are fopr nothing.

You will lose because you deserve to lose.

Your nominee wants us to trust him on his papers.

There is no trust in government cons.

Put up or shut up.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 7th, 2012
12:21 pm

Finn, I would like to know who those GOP members are that are talking about suppressing the vote by requiring an ID. Did you just pull that out of you know where, as usual?

HDB, should be here. She says there is no such thing as voter fraud.

Charlie Rangel’s opponent in the NY Dem primary can give you chapter and verse on voter fraud in NYC. Charlie had that deck stacked.

Funny too, that in FL 2000, the Dems worked hard to deny the military ballots and then turned around and claimed minorities were intimidated when they tried to vote and therefore “disenfranchised”. So, the Civil Rights Commission sets up town halls in Florida and after three weeks of listening to the minority leaders whine about how they were disenfranchised and how it was done, they asked why not one voter could be identified, that did not vote because of intimidation.

They never found one voter. It is always the Dems doing the cheating, so they are the ones who protest against an regulation to tighten voting requirements.