T-SPLOST vote reiterates: We’re more ‘metro’ than ‘Atlanta’
On Tuesday’s ballots, perhaps no question was more opposite the T-SPLOST in scope and spirit than the cityhood initiative for Brookhaven. Their opposite results — voters soundly defeated the T-SPLOST but approved Brookhaven’s incorporation — create a congruity that helps explain why the tax proposal was ill-designed from the start.
In short: Our region is not becoming more centralized, but less. The popular and political momentum is not toward bigger, but smaller.
Counting Brookhaven, which becomes a city of some 49,000 residents, four of Georgia’s 20 most-populous cities didn’t exist just seven years ago. All four — the others are Dunwoody, Johns Creek and Sandy Springs — are in Fulton and DeKalb counties. So are two smaller new cities, Chattahoochee Hills and Milton.
The biggest reason these areas incorporated was to insulate themselves as much as possible from costly, ineffective county governments. But it’s instructive that, while both Brookhaven and Sandy Springs abut Atlanta, neither of them sought refuge in the big city’s arms.
In fact, the last half-century of our history shows that, while the gravitational pull for the state’s population is toward Atlanta, the drift within the metro area is toward the edges. In 1960, Atlanta was a city of 487,455 in a metro area of 1.3 million. The 2010 census found a city of 420,003 in a metro area of almost 5.3 million. This steady trend toward the periphery did not prevent prosperity.
This is a different development pattern than other large U.S. metro areas have seen, or at least a starker example of a common one. Among the nation’s 20 largest metro areas, the average central city is home to a fifth of its region’s residents. Atlanta dropped below that threshold sometime in the 1970s and now sits at 8 percent. Only Miami and Riverside, Calif., anchor less-centralized regions.
Getting back to the T-SPLOST, the cities to which tax proponents often compared Atlanta have far more concentrated populations. To name a few: Dallas (19 percent of its metro area’s residents live in the hub city), Denver (24 percent), Portland (26 percent), Houston (35 percent), Phoenix (35 percent), Charlotte (42 percent).
To reach those levels of centralization, hundreds of thousands of metro Atlantans would have to move inside the capital city’s limits. Can anyone honestly envision that happening?
Yet, the city of Atlanta stood to receive the highest share of T-SPLOST spending relative to the tax revenues it generated: 140 percent. Gwinnett County, to name one counter-example, was to keep just 74 cents on the dollar.
It’s true that commuters in each county stood to benefit from projects built elsewhere, but those figures were overly skewed. The Atlanta-centric nature of the project list ran counter to the way metro residents have voted with their feet. And that gave the appearance, at least, that the point was not to relieve traffic congestion where it has developed, but to turn that gravitational pull back toward the central city. Which fed into the crucial issue of trust, or lack thereof.
As an Atlanta resident myself, I don’t want to see the city continue its stagnation. But I do think its renaissance will require much more than a force-feeding of transportation funding from elsewhere. If the T-SPLOST’s defeat spurs Atlanta’s leaders to figure out what else they need to do, maybe the whole lamentable exercise was worthwhile.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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ND
August 4th, 2012
3:46 am
When talking about transportation, talking about where people live is only one part of the overall equation. How many people from, say, Gwinnett work in Atlanta, as opposed to vice versa? How many people from Gwinnett commute to Atlanta for other reasons as opposed to vice versa? That’s the real reason why Atlanta needs and deserves a higher portion of transportation funds. Few if any of the 420,000 people in Atlanta ever go to Gwinnett County for anything, whereas a pretty high percentage of Gwinnett’s residents commute to Atlanta regularly for something or another.
ND
August 4th, 2012
3:49 am
“Yes, people have fled the corruption and ineptitude in Atlanta and sought out better places to live, but the level of trust in the governments in those new places, has proven to be a disappointment, as well. People want government that is efficient, trustworthy, competent, and a small part of their lives. So far, they haven’t found it.”
So maybe, just maybe, the answer is not to flee in search of something better but to make the place where you are better.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 4th, 2012
6:10 am
It is apparent that many people are missing the operative point in this discussion.
Everybody talks about “If Atlanta is to grow . . .”.
News flash! Atlanta CAN’T grow. Or at least, it shouldn’t grow any larger than it already is.
We have no water and our primary source will never meet our growth needs.
All this talk about planning for growth is a waste of time.
Michael H. Smith
August 4th, 2012
6:51 am
It’s true that commuters in each county stood to benefit from projects built elsewhere, but those figures were overly skewed.
Overly skewed is an understatement not only with respects to where the most projects themselves went, rather it was as much the design per se’ which was tilted in a direction that has been rejected REPEATEDLY. Et al public mass transportation verses private individual transportation. Fifty two percent of the monies raised were earmarked for MARTA.
My little pep talk with the Mayor of Atlanta:
Kasim Reed wanted the answer, so he said, to why good honest decent folks just don’t trust government – so-called “their government”. I doubt the young man really doesn’t know but for the fun of it I’ll entertain him.
First, If it truly were our government Mr. Reed, perhaps that would make trust a bit easier. For instance, you and I sir have a very big difference in our understanding of what type of government we shall have: You say (Social) Democracy and I say a Representative Republic.
Secondly, Mr. Reed, because of this difference of Democracy -v- Republic, you likely depend on, and would have all others depend on government re-distribution; which seldom happens in Representative Republics where individual property rights are protected from confiscation by the group.
Therefore, you Mr. Reed, probably think: Who in their right mind would reject MARTA and making it the hub wherein the outlying shall become the spokes thereof?
Well, you’re going to be a bit disappointed with that answer Mr. Reed but all those people who were said to have fled would first suggest you question your own sanity before inquiring of ours’: We voted with our feet Mr. Reed, against the kind of things MARTA represents. The means of mobility Mr. Reed is an “acquired privilege”, it is not a “birthright” of individuals. Government’s only obligation in transportation is to provide the individual with “access to mobility” not with the “means of mobility” whereby the individual can travel.
Thirdly, Mr. Reed, don’t expect voters to accept the idea of giving you and other politicians a “blank check” via a gas tax that doesn’t have the necessary legal language to FORCE it back on the ballot for the voters to either end it or extend it. Big legal difference between the use and meanings of “will” and “shall”, as if the lesson of GA 400 wasn’t enough per se’ .
Fourthly, Mr. Reed, when people see “dishonest advertisement” used, as it was seen in this effort with reporters standing beside the Interstates as though I-85 itself from Gainesville to Atlanta was the focus of these tax monies, all that trust you want goes straight down the Chattahoochee into the abyss. If this tax was sincerely to get mommy home to little Johnny boy sooner then the money would go to addressing the Interstates straightforwardly with roads not with 52% more going for MARTA buses and trains. Keep sitting on that porch little Johnny until Mr. Reed accepts the answers he knew all along but refused to embrace.
Address the roads that bring people into Atlanta with the majority of the funds. Make public mass transit a Statewide Public-Private venture(Not a reformed MARTA) using existing rail or rail rights of way. Stipulate in the amendment that this TSPLOST “SHALL” require voter approval to extend it beyond the stated conclusion date
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 4th, 2012
6:53 am
But it’s instructive that, while both Brookhaven and Sandy Springs abut Atlanta, neither of them sought refuge in the big city’s arms.
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Decades of Democrat mismanagement and corruption will do that.
Atlantans aren’t ready to elect competent leadership.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 4th, 2012
7:08 am
ND: So maybe, just maybe, the answer is not to flee in search of something better but to make the place where you are better.
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No, the answer IS to flee the corruption and incompetence voted in by people who don’t share your values:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/business/a-georgia-town-takes-the-peoples-business-private.html?pagewanted=all
A Simple Man
August 4th, 2012
7:24 am
@ Joking
I didn’t place blame in my email. I said there was poor planning. If MARTA, Cobb, Paulding and anyone else can’t work together then there is a cooperation, preparation and planning issue. That’s how I think. Again, if I have to drive thirty minutes to Hightower (H.E. Holmes or whatever it is this week) then I might as well drive the extra five minutes and park at the dome or stadium.
greg
August 4th, 2012
7:40 am
I was in Illinois last week. Toll roads that sucked dollar bills out of my wallet and gasoline was $3.60 a gallon because of taxes. Roads and traffic were terrible.. Maybe MIT could find a solution.
middle of the road
August 4th, 2012
8:08 am
“I’m a native Atlantan, born and raised, and I’ve been harping since I was 20 years-old that we need to stop sprawling out in every direction. ”
No, you wanted to keep everybody clustered together so that the criminals would not have to go searching for victims, and APS could cheat with EVERYBODY.
InBrookhaven
August 4th, 2012
8:13 am
For me T-SPLOST had nothing to do with improving traffic. If they want to do that, all they need to do is time lights and remove several 4-way stops that should be 2-way stops. These cost next to nothing. Then add a few right-turn only lanes. Done. And they would save tens of millions of dollars compared to these pork-barrel projects for their cronies.
ch
August 4th, 2012
8:14 am
After years of watching the spendthrift ways of city and county government is it any shock that the last thing these people need is more of other peoples money to spend? Each new “administration” builds parks that go unused to have a place to hang their names and favor their friends in construction. I can’t believe that these officials put their names on streets, while in office! Fortunately, the next generation change these streets to their own names. Meanwhile, there are whole neighborhoods that have been totally abandoned by the police.
ch
August 4th, 2012
8:24 am
Hey Kyle Wingfield, Thanks for the article. Never would have seen this in the old ajc.
GT
August 4th, 2012
8:49 am
The state government loves to watch the city twist in the wind.
The contrast between the populations that newly incorporate and the city populations couldn’t be more different. The contrast between Atlanta and the rest of the state is huge. It is not just black and white, it is college educated to high school drop outs. Culturally enlighten to cheaply entertained and on and on.
What I have noticed over the years is the small towns in the state are picking up the bad city habits much more so than the good ones. Drugs, prostitution, corruption, gangs are now found in the hinterlands. You get a good look at it in the state high school football championships and the ball players getting in trouble at UGA. Most still have no business going to higher educational facilities from rural Georgia, they are unprepared educationally and thugs socially. I also notice most of the metro population is transplants from places outside of Atlanta. The ones closer into the city tend to be white college educated flight from rural uneducated dull Georgia and the ones outside like John’s Creek tend to be out of state transferred here by corporations educated up north or the midwest in much better systems. Yet the Atlanta and state governments tend to be the good old boy systems that grow up where they now sit in power. This familiarity breeds corruption and it was this corruption the people voted against both times last Tuesday.
atler8
August 4th, 2012
9:01 am
Michael H. Smith
Perhaps you should have also addressed your latest points of this morning to The Atlanta Chamber of Commerce as well as Mayor Reed. He became a big public face of the “pro” forces in the referendum but I really don’t recall seeing him truly jump wholeheartedly into the fray on the issue until the chamber (i.e. the BIG business community) got his ear & ramped up it’s propaganda/ spending arms & made it’s wishes known for us little folks to tax ourselves to largely benefit them That’s the only kind of tax BIG business ever supports anywhere, it would seem.
Once I saw where the chamber was pushing & spending lot’s of money was when I decided to sit out the vote. I have personally noticed that the chamber, & more particularly the national version of it, are never on the side of the little people in any issue.
They have morphed into a politically one-sided big money tool for a specific ideology to the extent that some large chambers in various cities across the country have dropped their affiliation with the national organization. The Seattle Chamber comes to mind as one of the more recent to leave the organization.
The power exuded by big business in this state, as exemplified by the local chamber, is a major reason why worker’s rights in Georgia are among the weakest in the nation…& I am not talking in terms of supporting unions so don’t misread what I am saying here.
Another poster this morning or over night wrote something like the leaders of Georgia “clearly have a clear vision of leadership…” I am not quoting verbatim but that is one of the silliest things I have ever seen posted on an AJC blog in years. On what planet does that poster live? The legislature is year in and year out an embarrassment to anyone who is paying attention & thinking rationally or with any sense of moderation, a word used in our state motto by the way, but seemingly given short shrift in this state.
Our friends in the legislature with that “clear vision” made us proud this last session by tackling the “fetushood” issue among others while skirting real reform & real leadership sat waiting on the backburner.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 4th, 2012
9:04 am
GT makes some good points. There are no doubt fine individuals distributed through all areas of the state and in Atlanta and the other cities. But it seems to me that there is a sort of “sweet spot” geographically where the most responsible, better educated tend to congregate, and that’s in a doughnut around Atlanta (although the doughnut is bigger on the north side than the south).
atler8
August 4th, 2012
9:12 am
GT
Brilliantly said, my friend!
You hit the nail on the head several times a few minutes ago but your note on “corruption” echoed my posting here of last night & on other occasions on AJC blog threads.
Additionally, I wonder if anyone else has noted the truth of what you pointed out regarding the tendency of those athletes to get into trouble?
Your reference to the corruption in our state government calls to mind a posting by a reader on Jay’s blog several months ago where someone stated that they would rather vote for a corrupt Republican than a (non-corrupt)Democrat. What does that say about the moral compass of that person?
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 4th, 2012
9:19 am
What does that say about the moral compass of that person?
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Democrats are inherently corrupt–they believe that it’s OK for the bottom 90% to confiscate as much private property from the top 10% as they like.
It’s perfectly rational to vote for a Republican who might take a little cash from a lobbyist rather than a Democrat who will take a lot of cash from you.
Dumb and Dumber
August 4th, 2012
9:24 am
Sorry — but this blog misses the mark. We are not thinking more “metro” than Atlanta – the TSPLOST and the Brookhaven votes show that the region is growing more balkanized — not decentralized. Atlanta will be fine — they have mass transit, an airport, universities, job centers and walkable neighborhoods. That combination is found no where else in the state (or much of the southeast). Now if we can only get Kasim Reed to quit pining for the next office and get serious about improving the city….
What the TSPLOST vote did show is that there is still a lot of animosity against the city, competition between the suburban counties and that NOBODY trusts the state.
GT
August 4th, 2012
9:27 am
The real running of the state’s affairs is secondary to the side issues of illegal work force and gay marriage, things that have been there for years and now when we are broke we decide it is time to worry about them. This state has no time nor money for these issues. They should be concentrating on education, health and welfare of our state. How many of these “good people” came to office to worry about our well being? The press has been very protective of the mob of thieves, turning their heads, crediting them for character they don’t have, intelligence they lack and then act stunned when corruption ,usually by the FBI not local enforcement, is discovered. The formula of getting rich in the south is to be a player go along don’t make waves, almost a criminal minded environment.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
August 4th, 2012
9:27 am
Kasim Reed should be true to his own philosophy and raise taxes on his constituents to build infrastructure projects including transit and roads.
Why does Kasim Reed hate creating jobs?
md
August 4th, 2012
9:34 am
“I’m a native Atlantan, born and raised, and I’ve been harping since I was 20 years-old that we need to stop sprawling out in every direction. ”
Sounds fascist to me………who are you to tell others where and how to live?
md
August 4th, 2012
9:39 am
Wow GT…….what a perspective……ATL good, rest of Ga bad.
Get out there and meet some people fella……there is no real difference between Atl and the rest of Ga, all areas have percentages of people from all walks of life……you look silly painting with that broad brush……
Just Say No to New Taxes
August 4th, 2012
9:39 am
If the crooks in Atlanta even try to annex any part of Cobb County, they will be in for open warfare!!
GT
August 4th, 2012
9:39 am
atler8 I heard, this week, either on CNN or network, that only 20% of the polled population knew what a super pac was and that was nationally. I imagine it is single digits in Georgia. The secret of corruption is to keep the population in the dark. An educated population such as Brookhaven wants to disassociate themselves from the cancer of corruption and are not afraid to do so. Under educated people are easily frighten and controlled. They also make loyal followers for such money making operations as FOX. Nixon’s southern strategy abused this section of the world years ago and open it up to the country as a controllable venue for launching self servicing campaigns.
atler8
August 4th, 2012
9:45 am
Lil Barry…
Sorry but that blanket statement is just more of your typical hogwash. Corruption is corruption, party line notwithstanding. And what does your post say about your own personal moral compass?
atler8
August 4th, 2012
9:48 am
Just say no
Your new post here is also very silly and doesn’t bring a thing to the discussion table.
GT
August 4th, 2012
9:49 am
md where did you come from probably rural Georgia. That is my point. You didn’t stay on the farm, most of Georgia’s educated rural population end up in Atlanta take a poll. When you leave rural Georgia who takes your place. I can tell you something else from being four generations of native Atlanta on both side of my family. We don’t stay in Atlanta as a whole either. Most smart people I grew up with are making a living in other parts of the country. Where does that leave Georgia or Atlanta? There is a flight of educated people both from rural to the city and the city to other parts of the country. The only ones that seem to stay are the less talented and corrupt, they can’t work the system if they aren’t from the system.
ragnar danneskjold
August 4th, 2012
9:53 am
Well-argued – the sensibilities of the voters differ from those of the overlords, not just on T-SPLOST, but on the larger issue of “where we want to live and work.” The Atlanta suburbs could exist almost anywhere, and for most of the OTP folks the only virtues in Atlanta are a good baseball team and the inconvenient airport.
I’d drop the “Trust” argument if I were you Kyle – only cultists blindly trust politicians, and they are all over at Bookman’s blog.
Michael H. Smith
August 4th, 2012
9:55 am
atler8
I do believe I addressed taxes and business already as many other times in the past. Perhaps you should read my comments on these topics before directing me to do this one thing or the other. As I’ve said many times past and probably leading to it on this blog earlier as a reason for getting rid of businesses taxes not only because consumers in reality pay those taxes but as well it takes a HUGE part of the reason business lobbies government that leads of course to a great deal of the corruption.
Nah my comment went exactly where and to whom I meant them to go. If you like to further address the Chamber of any Commerce then have at it. That bunch already knows where I stand issue by issue in regards to that organization.
md
August 4th, 2012
9:56 am
“md where did you come from probably rural Georgia. That is my point.”
Assumptions also make you look silly………….
And that post is nothing but more uneducated speculation…….if you are counting yourself as one of those “educated”, heaven help us……..you really do need to get out more.
atler8
August 4th, 2012
10:01 am
GT
Thanks for mentioning the super pacs as I had not heard that polling data about the public’s lack of knowledge of super pacs. If you look at the lousy mass media, especially in terms of what is produced on tv & especially the news networks & combine it with the mind-numbing domination of the talk radio format by one ideology, you have a recipe for an ill-informed & uninformed public. And laughably so many of the ill-informed call the pitifully poor CNN “the Communist News Network”. LOL!
What you wrote about Nixon’s southern strategy is very succinct. And to think that that strategy & that administration’s bashing of the “liberal media” were largely pushed initially by the very public face of the vice president, that august statesman Spiro t. Agnew, of later fame for corruption that landed him in prison.
ch
August 4th, 2012
10:08 am
@intown,
What are the borders of your intown mecca? Most intown residential neighborhoods I’ve seen are much worse than those further out. 50’s and 40’s era houses are offered for 20-30K. Its scary that they go unsold. Downtown Atlanta is no New York, or maybe New York in the 70’s. Ooops I just looked try 10k instead.
Old Timer
August 4th, 2012
10:11 am
Atlanta is its own enemy, no one wants to walk the streets at night.
GT
August 4th, 2012
10:48 am
alter8 somewhere the news came to a conclusion first class doesn’t make money. Walter C. would have gone begging in this society of journalist, though I find Brian Williams refreshingly honest and balanced. CNN just had a shake up because they have gone under two other cable news organizations in ratings. I understand a ex NBC news executive is going to take over, good choice. I bet they change that silly format of people keeping em honest. Orson Welles and his invasion of the planet by aliens could play to a panicked audience every night on CNN, same story different verse every night seven night a week.
intown resident
August 4th, 2012
10:53 am
CH- try bringing your1970s pickup and shotgun intown to neighborhoods like Ansley Park,Candler Park, Druid Hills, Morningside, Virginia Highlands, Decatur,Ormewood Park, Oakhurst, Buckhead etc. and you will be amazed at the property values, clean streets, great parks, neighborhood shops and schools. The average house price is around $400,000.00 Of course you can’t park in your front yard and put your cars up on blocks and the neighbors will compain if you throw trash in your yard. I just sold last year a 1950 ranch for $650,000 to have it torn down and 2 million dollar house put up. Sorry bud if your house is underwater cause you live in the burbs.
Brosephus™
August 4th, 2012
10:56 am
I’d drop the “Trust” argument if I were you Kyle – only cultists blindly trust politicians, and they are all over at Bookman’s blog.
So, that explains why you post over there quite often. Got it.
atler8
August 4th, 2012
11:00 am
Michael H. Smith
Sadly my reply to you did not post. It went something like the very condensed version below.
You have now reiterated your feelings about the chamber so I feel justified in pointing out that you should at least have made a brief side reference to them in your recent post that was a blast directed at Mayor Reed, as after all, he is a puppet for the interests of BIG business & does the beckon call of the chamber.
This would have been helpful here because too many readers don’t know what you have posted here before & have bought the kool aid that a Democratic politician can only be an anti-capitalist, marxist, job hating tool of the left. Witness the posting here overnight or this morning where one person asked, “Why does Mayor Reed hate jobs?” It’s a ludicrous right wing talking point at best but one that has been hammered into the minds of Joe Q. Public such that they believe that that is all a Democratic politician can ever be.
Though they have had MANY faults amongst them singularly & collectively, I can not think of a single Democratic mayor of Atlanta who did not promote the city, and by extension the metro area, as a great friend & location for business & jobs.
And as for the “dishonesty” portrayed in the roadside settings of reporters, etc., take that up with the media & the moneyed forces of the chamber that most likely led them to do such reporting. Collectively the mass media is a lazy bunch who are easily led by their nose rings, as is true of most of the general public who don’t want to search for any sense of reality nor achieve any sense of responsibility for educating themselves on current events issues but want it to be spoon fed to them.
Just Say No to New Taxes
August 4th, 2012
11:09 am
atler8 – I believe annexation was listed in a previous post as a reason why Dallas and other cities are able to keep their population numbers near the 20% level of their respective metro population. Annexation will not be tolerated in the Atlanta metro area because we will not pay taxes to the crooks in Atlanta! Nor will we ever permit them to speak for us, on any subject.
atler8
August 4th, 2012
11:09 am
GT
Thanks for the great laugh you gave me regarding CNN a few moments ago. It is a pitiful shell of it’s former self & Ted Turner probably pukes if he ever looks at it for a more than a few seconds. I should note that there are some good people working there who are doing a fine job but that use to be the rule, not the exception!!
Hound Blitzkrieg as an example is utterly laughable and hasn’t the journalistic cajones he was born with!
I do hope that you are right about the new choice made to take the helm at that operation.
Now, off I go to mow before the steam bath outside heats up with an appearance of the sun.
G’day!
ragnar danneskjold
August 4th, 2012
11:12 am
Dear Bro @ 10:56, good morning. Missionaries go where they find heathens, right?
ragnar danneskjold
August 4th, 2012
11:14 am
Dear Bro @ 10:56, logic fallacy in your post: I affirmed that all cultists are on Bookman’s blog. That does not mean all on the Bookman blog are cultists. Cultists are a mere subset, albeit a huge one over there.
Hillbilly D
August 4th, 2012
11:16 am
There’s a few lessons to be learned here:
1) All politics is local
2) People are going to live where they want to live and there’s nothing anybody can do to change that
3) At least in North Georgia, pretty much every demographic group voted overwhelmingly against this.
4) When one group makes no bones about how they look down on those who live somewhere different from them and/or choose to live their life differently, they can’t expect that other group to want to do much to help them.
GT
August 4th, 2012
11:19 am
ragnar danneskjold, like FOX or Rush Limbaugh’s ditto heads, I hear ya.
Brosephus™
August 4th, 2012
11:22 am
rags
How many people at Bookman’s, or this blog, post using a name lifted from a “cult classic” novel? Is that not the textbook definition or sign of one being a cultist?
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Hillbilly D
I wouldn’t argue with that. My reasons for my no vote were a bit different, but all in all, that about sums it up.
Jimmy
August 4th, 2012
11:26 am
No one in their right mind outside the city of Atlanta supports anything the Atlanta city government wants.Atlanta is like a foreign country to others in the state.We stay as far away from it as possible.Gen. Sherman was right ,burn it down.
Corey
August 4th, 2012
11:26 am
DON”T DISPARAGE FRONT LINE GOVERNMENT WORKERS THEY ARE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE THE LAWS WORK THAT OUR LAW MAKERS WRITE!!!
Jm
August 4th, 2012
11:33 am
Where do you get your 140% Kyle?
I’ve seen even trade of about 100%
Or like jay, do you just make your own numbers up?
td
August 4th, 2012
11:38 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
August 4th, 2012
6:10 am
Absolutely 100% correct. Metro Atlanta does not have the natural resources to grow any larger. The state needs to look at other areas to grow.
barking frog
August 4th, 2012
11:48 am
Historically Atlanta is a
business center not a
residential center and
workers live outside the
city center and commute.
Telecommuting can help.
Tolls on the intercity interstates would push
more traffic to the bypasses
and city streets.
Corey
August 4th, 2012
11:49 am
Georgia politicians run for office on the small government less taxes mantra and write legislation offering the citizens of Georgia the choice of taxing themselves and act surprised when the citizens say he$% no! Say it aint so.