The L-O-S-T in T-SPLOST refers to public trust

There’s a saying for politicians and for those of us who cover them: The voters are always right. While we’re bound to be subjected to a round or two of recriminations about who’s to blame for the absolute debacle that was the metro Atlanta T-SPLOST campaign, pay attention to those who show signs of understanding and accepting that saying. They’re the ones who will be most likely to find the way forward from here.

For my part, here’s what I think the voters were saying in their 63-37 defeat of the $7.2 billion tax.

The political class has lost our trust.

If that sounds obvious, consider that it’s also a puzzling situation, given that many of the same people who voted overwhelmingly against the T-SPLOST have been voting in large numbers to elect the same Republican politicians who gave us the T-SPLOST. I think there’s a pretty clear explanation: This is the consequence of having a one-party state.

Georgia has been a one-party state for pretty much 140 years now. The first 130 years, it was a one-party state ruled by Democrats. The past 10 years, it’s been a one-party state ruled by Republicans and Democrats-turned-Republicans. (Note: I am referring here only to the party holding the levers at the state level, not municipal or federal offices.) For most of those 140 years, there has been very little credible, effective opposition from the minority party. I’m sure it was worse for the Republicans at times between Reconstruction and Sonny Perdue’s watershed win in 2002, but the situation is pretty bleak right now for Georgia Democrats. And that means Georgia Republicans feel very little electoral heat, which leads them to act in a very insular way.

That’s played out no more clearly than in their attitude toward ethics: If legislators are wise, they’ll recognize that the lack of public trust on display in the T-SPLOST vote means they can’t very well ignore the support of 87 percent of GOP voters for a lengthening of the proverbial arm separating lobbyists from legislators. If I heard one voter say he thought T-SPLOST was all about rewarding political contributors and allies, I heard it from dozens of voters. Legislators cannot go too far in trying to improve the negative public perception around our lawmaking process.

Geographically, at least as it relates to the T-SPLOST, you can locate the center of that lack of trust along the Ga. 400 corridor. Perdue arguably lost Tuesday’s tax vote two years ago when he reneged on the longstanding promise to end the toll when the original bonds were paid off. An opinion poll conducted for the AJC, published last weekend, showed the 400 toll extension was a factor for 55 percent of voters — and that 64 percent of voters doubted the T-SPLOST would end when promised and be limited to the projects on the list.

Nathan Deal obviously thought he could show some good faith by announcing recently that the tolls would come down by the end of next year, fulfilling one of his campaign promises. But the AJC’s opinion poll showed the maneuver actually made voters less likely to vote for the T-SPLOST by a net 6 percentage points. The reason, in my view, is that it sends a signal that state government decides when and how to make these decisions on purely political considerations. Bad political considerations, it now appears.

There are a couple of ways for elected officials to show they understand this message. First and foremost, they must demonstrate clearly that all available transportation money is being spent as wisely and efficiently as possible.

That means showing transportation spending really is a priority for the state. All revenues from the motor fuel tax should be directed to transportation; currently, part of it goes to the general fund. When the inflation-driven formula for the motor fuel tax dictates that the rate should rise to keep spending level in real terms, state government should let it rise. Where money can be cut from lesser priorities and redirected to transportation infrastructure, it should be cut and redirected.

As for efficiency, the state needs to be much more transparent about which projects are priorities based on pure cost-benefit analysis, and begin spending the money we do have on the highest-rated projects. If that means re-examining the wisdom of balancing spending based on congressional districts — they might be equal in population, but they aren’t necessarily equal in terms of transportation needs — so be it.

The money I’ve talked about so far would probably be skewed toward roads rather than mass transit, if only because a constitutional amendment allowing gas-tax revenues to fund transit looks like a sure loser. Transit should be addressed in a two-step manner: First, create a truly regional (if not state-run) governance structure for mass transit in metro Atlanta that incorporates MARTA and the other transit agencies. Second, allow voters beyond Fulton and DeKalb to vote in a referendum to participate in the system, with specific descriptions of the infrastructure and services that would come with it. If they want to join, let them join the same way Fulton and DeKalb joined MARTA.

If some of that sounds like baby steps, well, that’s because they are. One of these days, the people who run our government — at the local, state and federal levels — are going to realize a little modesty on their part would go a long way toward re-establishing the public trust they’ve clearly lost.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Hillbilly D

August 1st, 2012
11:48 am

This is the consequence of having a one-party state.

I keep telling everybody that nothing has really changed now that Georgia is a one party Republican state from when it was a one party Democratic state but nobody listens.

The political class has lost our trust.

This is obvious. I think in the partisan elections, except for the true believers on both sides, most folks are voting for what they consider the lesser of two evils. In this vote, there really wasn’t much of that, it was basically do you trust them or do you not. Looks like most folks don’t.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
11:53 am

An opinion poll conducted for the AJC, published last weekend, showed the 400 toll extension was a factor for 55 percent of voters

While I don’t see a cite for the poll, nor do I know just how much of a factor is being referred to here–that is an astonishing number, considering how few of these voters are affected in any real way by this 50 cent toll.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
11:55 am

The money I’ve talked about so far would probably be skewed toward roads rather than mass transit, if only because a constitutional amendment allowing gas-tax revenues to fund transit looks like a sure loser.

While I don’t disagree with this (or much else of what you’ve posted, actually–good column!) I have to ask–do you think that gas taxes SHOULD, ideally, be able to be used to fund mass transit?

USMC

August 1st, 2012
11:58 am

Hey Kaseem!

How about SYNCHRONIZING the Traffic lights in the city if Atlanta first, then help clean house at MARTA. MARTA…. It “AIN’T” SMARTA. :-)

…..THEN we can discuss larger “INFRASTRUCTURE” projects costing BILLION$ of Tax payer dollars.

I love how the mainstream media is trying to make this a TEA PARTY victory. What a joke. :-)

Class of '98

August 1st, 2012
11:58 am

I guess the AJC won’t have to be the “watch dog” to make sure the T-SPLOST funds are spent as intented, as the editorial in Sunday’s edition in favor of the referendum said they would.

I’m sorry, that made me laugh out loud when I read it.

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
11:59 am

Anyone else see the irony of the Tea Party having their results party at Hudson Grill midtown?

Debbie Dooley and the rest of her minions should stay in the burbs, rally at their local Applebee’s, and stop clogging the intown streets!!!!!

Darwin

August 1st, 2012
12:06 pm

Republicans have gained power by being anti-government anti-tax. How are you going to change those perceptions when you have a tax you and the business community (who contributes to your party) favors? If people think that government is free or cheap, they’re in for a rude awakening. If people think that full private employment is achieved by low taxes and no regulations, they’re going to have to come to terms with that. If people fee that all taxation is now a form of stimulus which is bad (I guess that excludes defense spending), then we’ll see we’re our future lies. We get the type of government we vote for.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

“Debbie Dooley and the rest of her minions should stay in the burbs, rally at their local Applebee’s, and stop clogging the intown streets!!!!!”

Well, all it says is that your cute little stereotypes exist only in your little mind.

I saw a “Tea Party” flag planted front and center in a front in Candler Park yard last weekend; not exactly Applebees territory… Is it. :-)

larry

August 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

I guess the AJC won’t have to be the “watch dog” to make sure the T-SPLOST funds are spent as intented, as the editorial in Sunday’s edition in favor of the referendum said they would.

I’m sorry, that made me laugh out loud when I read it.

I guess you had a real belly laugher when you read about the problems at the Atlanta Public Schools. But, we didnt hear about that from the AJC, did we? Nope, we heard from the town crier.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

Great to see Americans following the number one rule in politics.

Never ,ever trust politicians.

Make them earn your trust back.

Thank you Americans.

T Harrison

August 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

The shifting priorities and splintering of market share within news media should be part of any discussion about loss of meaningful discussion and compromise between opposing political points of view. Not sure what to do about it, but there it is. How can a trustworthy politician get elected when being trustworthy is too boring to get sufficient press to get elected? I’m afraid things may get worse before they get better.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

I love how the mainstream media is trying to make this a TEA PARTY victory. What a joke.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/312859/tea-party-victories-texas-and-georgia-john-fund

iggy

August 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

“Debbie Dooley and the rest of her minions should stay in the burbs,”

I noticed you forgot the NAACP and the Sierra club who also were againsts TSplat.

You’re Welcome!

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
11:55 am

_______

I don’t have a problem with motor fuel tax going into the general revenue fund. The idea of spending it only for roads and repairs of roads has never made sense to me. How does this balance out.
Put it in the general fund and let the legislature allocate funds as needed for roads.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

from my NatRev link @ 12.10:

The Tea Party’s victories also extended into Georgia’s primary yesterday. Voters in nine of twelve regions rejected a penny increase in the sales tax to fund transportation projects. In metro Atlanta the margin of defeat was 26 points. The tax had been a major priority for Georgia GOP governor Nathan Deal.

Debbie Dooley, the chair of Georgia Tea Party Patriots, said the result wasn’t surprising: “The people are sending a message, and elected officials would do well to take heed: You aren’t getting any more of our tax dollars until you can show you’re responsible and can be trusted with the money you have now.”

Henne

August 1st, 2012
12:11 pm

I second your last sentence. That day cannot come soon enough.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:11 pm

“Republicans have gained power by being anti-government anti-tax…”

Complete and Utter Foolishness!

NO Republicans are “ANTI-government/ANTI-tax…”

But keep spreading lies to promote your Socialist philosophy if it makes you feel better. :-)

kevin3

August 1st, 2012
12:12 pm

When the public is already being taxed on things just to live or make their families ends meet on a monthly basis; you all can understand why this TSPLOST failed! Lies to Untie all of these Counties when that was a mere lie as well. In Fulton/Dekalb County….all who lived there was about to be taken for a ride that would be impossible to stop. When projects are in arear and more project plan for this transportation, managment becomes a grave problem. Tax payers don’t benefit regardless what was said, money would be used for “whatever” they deemped necessary and there would be no turning back if the TSPLOST was passed. You will not be able to tell Geogia tax payers something that is not true and then like what we have all witness, go back on your word once you get what you want! There is only one way to correct Atlanta traffic; take it out of the city and over it or ensure all major interstate highways do what it meant to do. Some smart person now realize that bring all traffic downtown where all major events are held created a major problems for years going back and now see it can’t be fixed in a hurry or in the manner they wish it could. It is sad that tax payers continue to pay for mistakes that are made on the big boy’s end; and then given back to the tax payers to fund more of their mistakes. I see nothing in the future for this traffic issues…..but merely know that we as tax payers can’t fund anymore money for failed projects that has not been done. Take GA400 money and start your Untie Traffic and see where it goes! TSPLOST can’t fund a New Dome, Parking Facilities, Upscale eateries, hotels, etc, to bring in the “next super-bowl” having fulton and dekalb keeping all of the revenues. That is just part of this problem…rail lines, ARC, street cars, etc., where will those actually take the public? They don’t know and if they did, you will not know the truth until you have voted to past this TSPLOST. We are paying to much in gas fees and to have it as high as it is……. you wonder if that was a test to see if we would keep buying for it to stay at the 3.00 level making oil companies more richer. That to needs to be deeply impacted and we not purchased anymore gas if it can’t go down. Stop telling lies to the drivers of these United States of America, we have stockpiles of oil that can be used; if not, we don’t need to be driving or purchasing new vehicles. Soon, that will also be a grave problem for America too! Gas is not that expensive unless you permit it to be! America drivers needs to be treated fairly…….afterall, oil companies have made more than billions from the driving public; they need to stop their greed and soon, they will feel that hurt just as we have.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

NO Republicans are “ANTI-government/ANTI-tax…”

“Man is not free unless government is limited. There’s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

I don’t know how much more anti-government you can get than that.

itpdude

August 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

I take the 400 toll road. Even have a Cruise Card (or do we call it PeachPass now?) to avoid having to scurry up the change or pull out my wallet to pay the toll, much to the detriment of public safety. I really don’t mind paying the dollar a day (it is only a dollar, afterall) to use 400.

However, when Sonny reneged on the 400 toll promise, and did so in a dishonest and disgusting fashion, it confirmed every ugly thing we typically think of politicians. They lie, they cheat, they arrogantly flout their promises, and they have no shame.

The issue was never the dollar. The issue was the lie. We traded a slimy governor named Sonny (who should be investigated for several land deals set up during his term for himself and his buddies) for a current governor who fled the US House to avoid ethics charges, has/had massive debt problems that appear to tie him to certain interests, and is now paying off penalties for campaign misdeeds.

Why the hell SHOULD I trust the same politicians to tell the truth? They’ve been lying to me for years. What’s the saying? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me for the thousandth time, shame on me.

TSPLOST, on paper, should have passed. It had a HUGE advert campaign, backed by business, backed by the black business establishment in Atlanta, backed by the major Republican icons in Georgia (our governor, a US Senator), and white liberal support, particularly intown white liberals. It had a nice mix of public road transit and rail transit.

It still lost. Almost everyone I personally know (anecdotal evidence, I know) who voted “No” argued, “the tax will never go away and the money won’t be spent on the proposed projects.” Why do they say that? GA 400, sales tax for water, specific taxes and fees being stolen from particular agencies to go to the general fund, etc. In other words, they didn’t believe the politicians or captains of industry about the whole damn thing because they’ve been lied to too many times. End of story.

Darwin

August 1st, 2012
12:14 pm

I suggest we now move to vote for and against other taxes (local, state and federal). I don’t want to be taxed for any more unwanted military aircraft made by Lockheed Martin. Please stop my state Medicaid and federal Medicare taxes to the poor and elderly (who squandered their savings on vacations and kids_. Oh, there’s so much more. This is the future – I hope. :-)

the cat

August 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

I voted no but it sure wasn’t because of the whacked out tea party and debbie dooley. Not sure why they are taking credit.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

Romney explains ‘culture’ remark, blames media for bad press

Classic Republican move. Right out of the playbook.

When they step in it blame the “liberal” media

In other words the media they dont control. Like Fox.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

USMC — “NO Republicans are “ANTI-government/ANTI-tax…”

Doesn’t Grover Norquist want to shrink government to the point where it can be “drowned in a bathtub?”

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

I don’t have a problem with motor fuel tax going into the general revenue fund.

that’s good to know, but I’m really interested in Kyle’s take, since he seemed to be implying that he WAS ok with such a thing, personally, but that it would be a “loser” electorially.

(which I tend to agree with, although you never say never…)

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

And Debbie Dooley resides in Dacula. Thanks for playing USMC.

md

August 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

“do you think that gas taxes SHOULD, ideally, be able to be used to fund mass transit?”

No…….if mass transit needs more money, apply a tax to mass transit. Same concept, the users pay the tax.

Barry & The Magic Teleprompter of Destiny

August 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

Ron Paul was the only Presidential candidate this year, from EITHER party, who was willing to give us back our country, regardless of his foreign policy.

On a State Level, the Reagan Republican now has ZERO confidence (and even less trust) in the current State Legislature and Governor.

The push for HOT Lanes already paid for in full by taxpayers, the DNA Sample now needed for a GA State (not Federal) Driver’s License and this ridiculous T-SPLOST are cases in point as to why.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:20 pm

Romney explains ‘culture’ remark, blames media for bad press

“What I meant was, those Jews are really good with money! how is that insensitive? It was a compliment, for Pete’s sake!”

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 1st, 2012
12:20 pm

I don’t have any problem with Mitt not paying any taxes for ten years. He didn’t write the tax laws, congress did.

Maybe he had most of his money in his IRA and the rest in tax exempt municipal bonds. There are lots of legal ways to avoid or postpone paying taxes.

I just have a problem with him being a twit.

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
12:21 pm

Enter your comments here

Never can tell

August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

Is Joseph here today?

Kyle Wingfield

August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

stands: No, I’d favor keeping the gas tax funding roads and use other revenue sources for transit. Besides tolls, which I also think will have to expand, the gas tax is as close to a user fee as we have for roads.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

“I don’t know how much more anti-government you can get than that.”

I would say there is a GIGANTIC difference in ANTI government/taxes and LIMITED government/taxes, but I don’t expect to change your (closed) mind. :-)

The author even gives you a clue…. the word “limited”…
“Man is not free unless government is LIMITED.”

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

Barry & Magic Teleprompter — “Ron Paul was the only Presidential candidate this year, from EITHER party, who was willing to give us back our country, regardless of his foreign policy.”

Just out of curiosity, what was your opinion of Buddy Roemer? I know he didn’t have a snowball’s chance of getting the GOP nomination, but did you look into his positions at all? If so, what did you think?

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:23 pm

apply a tax to mass transit.

you mean, increase the fare to fund all operations? end subsidies?

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
12:23 pm

I hope Debbie enjoyed her commute from Dacula to midtown on those taxpayer funded roads and highways.

Darwin

August 1st, 2012
12:23 pm

USMC – What?
“Republicans have gained power by being anti-government anti-tax…”

Complete and Utter Foolishness!

NO Republicans are “ANTI-government/ANTI-tax…”

Talk about a blogger’s credibility going out the window. OK, they’re the party for big government and deficit spending. Plenty of examples for that.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:24 pm

No, I’d favor keeping the gas tax funding roads and use other revenue sources for transit.

thanks for the clarification.

ImmaLetUFinish

August 1st, 2012
12:24 pm

“Second, allow voters beyond Fulton and DeKalb to vote in a referendum to participate in the system, with specific descriptions of the infrastructure and services that would come with it. If they want to join, let them join the same way Fulton and DeKalb joined MARTA.”

YES!

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:24 pm

“And Debbie Dooley resides in Dacula. Thanks for playing USMC.”

The point went flying WAY over your head. LOL!
(thanks for the stuffed animal prize)

PMC

August 1st, 2012
12:25 pm

Vincent Fort, the Sierra Club and the Tea Partiers all happy at one time, politics sure makes for strange bedfellows.

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:25 pm

The author even gives you a clue…

the “author” was Ronald Reagan.

Old Timer

August 1st, 2012
12:26 pm

Sales tax, Income Tax, Property Tax, Bad economy, Unemployment. Just when does a Politican try to become a Statesman?–Answer–when he gets his hind end beat. The Gold Dome syndrome still dulls minds regardless of Party. The money spent on the TSPLOST campaign could have patched a lot of potholes and sync’d traffic lights.

Steve

August 1st, 2012
12:27 pm

Mr. Wingfield misses one key point about the GA 400 issue. Purdue did not end the tax, he PROMISED to end the tax roughly 1 1/2 years in the future. This gives him plenty of time to “change his mind” (lie) and not end the tax. A politician’s promise is worth it’s weight in feces.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:27 pm

“Talk about a blogger’s credibility going out the window. OK, they’re the party for big government and deficit spending. Plenty of examples for that.”–Darwin

Clear example of the EXTREMIST: You are either 100% for big government or 100% ANTI-government…. No room in the middle to these Socialist ideologues… :-)

getalife

August 1st, 2012
12:28 pm

Did the gambling pass Kyle?

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:28 pm

“the “author” was Ronald Reagan.”

And you still missed the LIMITED point regardless of who the author was. right?

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:29 pm

And USMC, if you’re definitively drawing a parallel between government and liberty, as if it were some zero-sum game where you can’t have one expanding, ever, without the other contracting?

That’s obviously anti-government.

Ronald Reagan and I just can’t explain it any more clearly than that.

And I didn’t want this to turn into an ideological slugfest–I think Kyle’s made some good points, above–but I gotta say, it’s kind of hard for a conservative movement that’s made its bones on being anti-government, expecting those same constituents to turn around and support something that is, for all intents and purposes, an expansion of state government.

Thus, the loss of faith. (and yes, it’s not *just* because of ideological groundings, but they have to play a major role here, in the results of yesterday’s referendum.)

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

“I hope Debbie enjoyed her commute from Dacula to midtown on those taxpayer funded roads and highways.”

Of which your measly welfare check pays very little of… :-)

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

A politician’s promise is worth it’s weight in feces.

That much? really?

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

The Republican Party is not the solution to the problem, the Republican Party is the problem. ~Ronald McDonald Reagan

wallbanger

August 1st, 2012
12:31 pm

Like a lot of my friends, I never heard one credible, black and white description of a specific project and its cost projections. I figured all this money was going to be used by a bunch of “in crowd” wonks sitting around doing a circle jerk for several years and then maybe, coming up with some kind of plan, that, guess what, would require yet another referendum. Been there, done that, too many times. I will never buy a pig in a poke again.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:32 pm

Stands… It the majority of Republicans are for LIMITED government… LIMITED taxes.

NOT ANTI GOVERNMENT…. ANTI TAXES… It’s that simple, but you aren’t interested in the truth, we all know that, you are more interested in Blogosphere “GOTCHA” to stroke your pitiful, little ego.

We get it. :-)

getalife

August 1st, 2012
12:34 pm

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
12:35 pm

you are more interested in Blogosphere “GOTCHA” to stroke your pitiful, little ego.

I’m not the one making unsupportable assertions, USMC. I think you hold some kind of Intertubes title for those.

anyway, love to stay and chat but I really gotta leave the time-vaccuum for awhile. later…

larry

August 1st, 2012
12:35 pm

I just wonder- and i’m changing the subject in a way- how many people who voted no on TSPLOST will vote yes on the charter school referendum?

Barry & The Magic Mushrooms of Ecstacy

August 1st, 2012
12:36 pm

Less of Your Money for the State to WASTE (again) = More Money to Spend at Chick-fil-A

DannyX

August 1st, 2012
12:36 pm

Disconnect between politicians and voters,

Republicans and Democrats each had non binding questions asking voters if they support ending the current practice of unlimited gifts from lobbyists to state legislators.

Combined results:

YES…1,244,468…82%
NO…280,166…18%

Heaven can wait

August 1st, 2012
12:40 pm

“Of which your measly welfare check pays very little of…”

Matthew 25:40

King James Version (KJV)

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

USMC: just saying

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:41 pm

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:42 pm

JamVet

I found an old Bookman column from 7 years ago and found that you posted on it. What this means is that you’ve spent 7+ years blogging day in and day out on the AJC blogs.

What does that tell you?

JohnnyReb

August 1st, 2012
12:43 pm

Kyle, your reference to having two political parties in GA that are close to equal footing causes great concern. Look no further than Nationally to see what “compromise” does for you. On the National level, Conservatives have compromised with Liberals to the point of the country as founded is disappearing. We don’t need or want that in Georgia. Instead, both Nationally and within our state we need to fix the mess caused by Progressives.

A strong Republican Party clearly in control will make mistakes, but that is preferred to having compromise with those whom you share few beliefs and goals.

Butler Reynolds

August 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

…because that two-party system is working so well in Washington DC!

In a way, this was another “never let a crisis go to waste” incident. Given the awful traffic here, politicians thought they could use it as an excuse to raid our already thin wallets.

There’s nothing wrong with mass transit. But all over the country there’s a problem with government-run mass transit. Government mass transit is always 1) a budget buster and 2) does not reduce traffic on clogged government roads.

Meanwhile, let me see if I can find a $1 bill so that I can go ride Megabus.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

“Melt down.”

Speaking of melt down, Romney has taken a 20 point lead among white voters. Libs can mock Romney and white people all they want but without the white vote, Obama is a one term president.

Oh, and I’m glad T-Splost went down in flames. Looks like the libs can go cry in their government funded beer.

Just a thought

August 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

Here’s a thought – take the money that was going to be spent installing a trolley car line from Centennial Park to the King Center and actually do ’something’ that will improve traffic in the city, like invest in extending MARTA to where people actually live. I would use MARTA every day if I could get on in Alpharetta, but it’s waste of money and time to drive to North Springs just to ride for 2 stops.

Heaven can wait

August 1st, 2012
12:45 pm

Logic

You made it back. Try not to allow your obsession with JamVet get you booted again.

SlickRick

August 1st, 2012
12:45 pm

Barry (the spelling-challenged) – allow me to complete the equation for you:

Less of Your Money for the State to WASTE (again) = More Money to Spend at Chick-fil-A = more heart problems and obesity among the uninsured (conservatives, I might add) = more emergency room visits = more taxpayer $$ being spent to help those who claim to be able to help themselves but don’t/can’t + higher healthcare premiums so private insurance and pharmaceutical companies can gouge us even more

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:46 pm

“Nathan Deal obviously thought he could show some good faith by announcing recently that the tolls would come down by the end of next year”

Tolls never come down. In Chicago, governors told their constituents that the tolls would come down after the interstates were finished. Flash forward 10 years later and they’re still there.

md

August 1st, 2012
12:47 pm

“you mean, increase the fare to fund all operations? end subsidies?”

Absolutely………

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:47 pm

“You made it back. Try not to allow your obsession with JamVet get you booted again.”

I called him by another name and I didn’t realize that that was a no-no on Kyle’s blog. I’m not obsessed with him but I do like calling him out for his hypocrisy.

NOTOOBAMA

August 1st, 2012
12:48 pm

I think someone should be brought up on charges for the lies told regarding the TSPLOST on taxpayer funded advertising.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:48 pm

“Debbie Dooley and the rest of her minions should stay in the burbs, rally at their local Applebee’s, and stop clogging the intown streets!!!!!”

Looks like we have ourselves a JR. Rahm Emanuel here. Hey pal, free speech is free speech no matter how hard you and your comrades try to surpress it.

Jack

August 1st, 2012
12:48 pm

Likely the T-SPLOST percentage of loss mirrors the Democratic presidential loss in November.

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

USMC
August 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

Of which your measly welfare check pays very little of…

“Well, all it says is that your cute little stereotypes exist only in your little mind.”

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

Oh, and for the Elizabeth Warren fans out there.

Yeah, she’s a communist who has no idea what she’s talking about.

Little Pow Wow Chow is gonna go down in flames.

jconservative

August 1st, 2012
12:50 pm

I agree with Kyle that the same people who gave us the T-SPLOST will be reelected to office.

Everyone who voted NO on T-SPLOST should vote against every incumbent member of the state legislature on their ballot. But they will not do so.

So we will go through another charade session of the General Assembly next January.

As Kyle noted, single party rule by any other name is single party rule.

SlickRick

August 1st, 2012
12:50 pm

Jack – check the polls. the socialist is extending his lead.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

“I hope Debbie enjoyed her commute from Dacula to midtown on those taxpayer funded roads and highways.”

Not sure what that even means. Did Ed Shultz tell you to write that?

Heaven can wait

August 1st, 2012
12:52 pm

Kyle

Pretty accurate and fair article.

Thanks

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

“check the polls. the socialist is extending his lead.”

link please.

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
12:54 pm

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:51 pm
“I hope Debbie enjoyed her commute from Dacula to midtown on those taxpayer funded roads and highways.”
Not sure what that even means. Did Ed Shultz tell you to write that?

Comprehension can be difficult when you live in a world of conservative paranoia where a comment on traffic congestion somehow equals supression of free speech.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

Slick Rick

shhhhhhh

Don’t say anything. These people think Romney is actually going to win.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 1st, 2012
12:58 pm

The banker class has lost our trust.

fixed your typo…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:59 pm

“Comprehension can be difficult when you live in a world of conservative paranoia where a comment on traffic congestion somehow equals supression of free speech.”

Speaking of comprehension issues, please show me in your last copy/paste of my comment where I said anything about free speech surpression.

Thanks

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:00 pm

“http://www.electoral-vote.com”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Keep on trying!

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
1:02 pm

All revenues from the motor fuel tax should be directed to transportation; currently, part of it goes to the general fund.

Excellent suggestion, Kyle. Has this ever been proposed in the GA legislature.

Also, good job with your headline. As I keep saying, a little s-p-i-c-e goes a long way.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:02 pm

” These people think Romney is actually going to win.”

I distinctly remember back in 2010 when libs were mocking the Tea Party. I remember all their predictions about how the Dems would win.

Flash forward to a few months ago when Scott Walker destroyed the union voters in Wis. I remember the Ed Shultz’s of the lib world declaring early victory in that race.

Man oh man I can’t wait for November.

say it as it is

August 1st, 2012
1:02 pm

@ Billy D ~ Over many, many years, it may also be a consequence of living in a “one paper town” … i.e. one corporation owns AJC, Creative Loafing, and WSB.

@@

August 1st, 2012
1:02 pm

All revenues from the motor fuel tax should be directed to transportation; currently, part of it goes to the general fund. When the inflation-driven formula for the motor fuel tax dictates that the rate should rise to keep spending level in real terms, state government should let it rise. Where money can be cut from lesser priorities and redirected to transportation infrastructure, it should be cut and redirected.

AMEN!!!

When I worked for local government, all budget requests came to my boss. Each department heads asked for a large increase hoping to get, at the very least, a smaller increase. If money came down from on high (state or fed), they struggled to find some way to spend it, never stopping to think they didn’t HAVE to spend every penny that fell from “heaven”.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
1:03 pm

I keep telling everybody that nothing has really changed now that Georgia is a one party Republican state from when it was a one party Democratic state but nobody listens.

What’s that?? Did you say something Hillbilly?? ;-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:04 pm

BTW, went to Chicfila today and it was packed.

In Chicago.

Come on libs, tell us all again how Chicfila will go under because of Cathy’s support of traditional marriage.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
1:04 pm

President Obama will win because steady job growth is the best you can get after a collapse.

The gop will collapse our economy again.

The gop are job killers.

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
1:06 pm

President Obama will win because steady job growth is the best you can get after a collapse.

and when will we see it?

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
1:07 pm

Logic — “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Keep on trying!”

Laugh if you want, but he’s quite accurate, and he *does* fold Rasmussen’s numbers into his. Plus, he freely offers a competitor’s site (run by a conservative Christian) if you don’t like his projections. Just FYI, that competitor is showing 303-235 Obama today.

If you can formally discredit it, I’m all ears.

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
1:07 pm

What does that tell you?

That you do not know how to use a calendar.

That or you are just an inveterate liar.

Or both.

Sad, but not unexpected.

BTW, welcome back to the blog.

Perhaps you can use enough adult self-control to last more than a week this time?

LOL (at you)…

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
1:08 pm

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
12:48 pm
Looks like we have ourselves a JR. Rahm Emanuel here. Hey pal, free speech is free speech no matter how hard you and your comrades try to surpress it.

You’re welcome.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:08 pm

“President Obama will win because steady job growth is the best you can get after a collapse.”

Yeah and LSU will win the 2011 championship and the Saints will win the Super Bowl. Some of getalifes infamous predictions.

“The gop will collapse our economy again.”

Contradict yourself much? How can they collapse the economy if Obama is president?

Gotta do better than that, getalife.

Tealiban Party

August 1st, 2012
1:09 pm

Logic was never intended for libs
August 1st, 2012
12:59 pm

Speaking of comprehension issues, please show me in your last copy/paste of my comment where I said anything about free speech surpression.

Again, you’re welcome.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
1:10 pm

Come on libs, tell us all again how Chicfila will go under because of Cathy’s support of traditional marriage

Well its a shame Kyle does not ban for claims never made. :lol: How silly. And of course, the claimed single store test is “proof”. :roll: See ya Friday night at 8… :lol:

gm

August 1st, 2012
1:12 pm

USMC

The typical right wing hypocrite idiot: Please return your gov VA, Medicare, SSI, Fema when needed, all the gov money that was sent to build roads, bridges, how about corportate welfare, you know the money Mitt used from the gov?

The right wing nut jobs only hate gov when its nothing in it for them, when a natural disaster happens do any one see business handing out checks to help people?

emo

August 1st, 2012
1:13 pm

‘ the majority of Republicans are for LIMITED government… LIMITED taxes.’

Er, that is, unless they’re in power, in which case it becomes “Unlimited government and unlimited deficits”.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
1:13 pm

I forgot remind someone: Free speech does not mean “Free from thought” nor does it mean “Free from consequences”….. as a recent return from being banned should have taught you. :roll:

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
1:13 pm

The long, long line at the local Chick-A-filA brought a beaming smile to my beautiful face. It was worth the wait for the sandwich.

There are many government cronies and do nothings posting their job resumes this morning, they were really hoping to squander all that money.

And that brings an even bigger smile….

Now let’s choke the rest of our government to death.

md

August 1st, 2012
1:13 pm

“check the polls. the socialist is extending his lead.”

He means check the “poll”…….if one were to check more than that one particular poll one would see more than one result…….but that defeats the purpose of throwing out the results of that one poll.

m. noe

August 1st, 2012
1:14 pm

it’s the sales tax, stupid!

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:14 pm

I’m still confused as to whether it is a 1 percent tax or a 1 cent tax. Seen it described both ways even on the official web page. There’s a big difference between the two. Not that it matters now. Looks like we’re back to using the decreasing borrowed federal money for whatever few projects will be let in the future…unless the economy turns around quick and the tax revenues increase.

Dirty Dawg

August 1st, 2012
1:15 pm

That pretty much cinches it…the Tea Party mindset has all but completed its mission of turning this State into the most cynical, the most selfish and most prejudiced in the Union…other than all the others. Was this a great country, or what?

JF McNamara

August 1st, 2012
1:16 pm

The Republicans put a lot of money behind propaganda to get the messages of “No new taxes” and “Don’t trust government” out to voters. We’re seeing the results of that campaign in not only T-Splost but in the federal and state budgeting process.

Republicans need to switch the message to responsible government and drop the all government and taxes are bad rhetoric. We wouldn’t have needed a vote and the legislature could have done their job if they weren’t so scared of raising taxes to pay for what we need.

The voters are reacting how they wanted, but its turning out to be a thorn in their side.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:17 pm

“Well its a shame Kyle does not ban for claims never made. How silly. And of course, the claimed single store test is “proof”.”

Single store?

Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day: Over Half a Million to Show Up at Restaurants Today

Christians nationwide are vowing to “eat mor chikin” today in observation of Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, an event that was organized to show support for the popular restaurant chain’s stand for Biblical marriage.

According to the Support Chick-fil-A Facebook page, over 610, 000 people have pledged to patronize the eatery today with family and friends.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
1:17 pm

USMC — “NO Republicans are “ANTI-government/ANTI-tax…”

I Report — “Now let’s choke the rest of our government to death.”

The prosecution rests.

Ray

August 1st, 2012
1:18 pm

Kyle makes the interesting point that this election result indicates that Georgia voters are displeased with and distrusting of their political class. How else can you explain a Republican plan, the T-SPLOST, that was voted down overwhelmingly by Republican voters? But, I seriously doubt that we will see any big shake-up among the Republican leaders and legislators at the voting booth anytime soon. The same old political class, which anti-TSPLOST voters are supposedly so distrustful of, will not be voted out of office by the anti-TSPLOST voters. Can you say stalemate?

I also still see a lot of the same old, tired divisiveness between in-town Atlanta vs. suburban Atlanta/the rest of Georgia that has long plagued our region. In-town Atlantans are wary of suburban Atlanta and Georgia state politicians, and suburban Atlanta and Georgia state voters are very strongly against in-town Atlanta politicians. Some of this old divisiveness may be warranted in certain respects, but overall it is just weary and tiresome, and another stalemate that is unlikely to end any time soon.

Overall, how depressing for Atlanta and for Georgia. I think we are now officially about 4-5 years into a long downward slide for Atlanta and for Georgia. Atlanta’s stature compared to other major American cities has taken a hit the last few years, and now that trend is likely to continue. It’s too bad after Atlanta had things on such a good upswing following the 1996 Olympics. Sixteen years later we seem stalemated and stuck in reverse, with little hope for any change of direction.

John from Little Five Points

August 1st, 2012
1:19 pm

If the state of Georgia had placed the gasoline tax in a special fund and spent it only on transportation, we would not need the 1-cent transportation special-purpose local option sales tax.

Just saying..

August 1st, 2012
1:19 pm

So a Georgia government comprised entirely of Republicans may not produce the best governance?
Who knew?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 1st, 2012
1:20 pm

BTW, went to Chicfila today and it was packed.

Well, I stayed the heck away from that place because the word was out that the Gays were going to hold a kiss-in there and I didn’t want to get slobbered on while I was trying to eat lunch. It’s bad enough they want to make me get Gay Married. Now you can’t even go to a fast food place without risking having some hairy dude plant his lips on you.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
1:20 pm

Superspeedy “moving the goalposts” sales alert…. order now before he gets banned :lol:

Kyle Wingfield

August 1st, 2012
1:24 pm

Logic @ 1:14: You really need to review ALL the rules for my blog before you continue.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
1:24 pm

Redneck, try sending your wife next time…. maybe she’ll run off with someone and leave you the entire trailer. :lol: Or instead of asking for the Cop, look for the Construction Worker or the Indian. :lol:

Jefferson

August 1st, 2012
1:24 pm

Parties are for kids, results are for adults. The GOP in GA has no results.

Jose

August 1st, 2012
1:24 pm

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:14 pm
I’m still confused as to whether it is a 1 percent tax or a 1 cent tax

it was a 1 cent tax that equates to approx a 15% tax hike

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 1st, 2012
1:26 pm

While GOP leaders like Sen. John McCain, Speaker John Boehner and Rep. Mike Rogers, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, abandoned her, her base never did. In fact, some Tea Party leaders rebelled against McCain and Boehner for speaking out against Bachmann.
salon.com

These voters are the ones we should fear.

JDW

August 1st, 2012
1:27 pm

In large part this debacle can be traced to the old saw…you reap what you sow.

The Republican party has been sowing mistrust in government since the Clinton era. They have poured untold billions into a marketing machine that includes the NRA, Crossroads, Americans for Tax Reform et al that have hammered home the message that “gubment is bad”. The ideological center of this new Republican Party lies in people like Grover Norquist, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and Jim DeMint. These people have no interest in governing for the benefit of all, they want to “reduce government to a size that can be easily flushed down the drain” while protecting their income streams. So far they have managed to put in motion the wheels that have led us to the largest deficit in history coupled with the lowest tax collections.

Some states have resisted this approach (Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina pop to mind) and still have economies and governments that function. Others like Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi have bought in hook line and sinker and are paying the price in terms of economic growth and quality of life.

This vote is those chickens coming home to roost. The Republicans in Georgia have successfully persuaded the voting public and now find themselves in the impossible position of having to get something done in the environment they have created and surprise surprise cannot. Our infrastructure crumbles but solutions can’t be found, they couldn’t solve the water issue, they sit with their thumbs up their collective rear while health care exchanges will be federally mandated, job creation in the area is none existent, we lead the nation in bankruptcies and bank failures. In fact other than “Go Fish” I can’t think of a single problem that has been solved nor growth initiative taken by this state since Sonny Purdue was elected…not one in 10 years.

Until the voting public realizes they have been sold a bill of goods I am afraid our state will continue to sink economically, educationally and in quality of living. Hopefully it won’t take another 100 years to turn the tide.

middle of the road

August 1st, 2012
1:27 pm

“considering how few of these voters are affected in any real way by this 50 cent toll.”

STands for decibels – you just don’t get it, do you. I never use 400 and pay the toll, but it is the idea that government could make a promise to get something passed (which they did in the case of 400) then go back on that promise when it suits them. It is the PRINCIPLE of the matter (not that I would expect you to know about that).

How would you like it if a politician made it a main plank in his election to get more funding for MARTA, then once he was elected, turn around and take money away from MARTA? Would you vote for him again?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:28 pm

“You really need to review ALL the rules for my blog before you continue.”

Done.

Jose

August 1st, 2012
1:28 pm

The GA-Republicans and the GA-Democrats that wanted to ram through the T-SPLOST out dumbed themselves

they thought by having the vote during the PRIMARY ELECTIONS they could push it through……….. when if they were smart they would have done it during the GENERAL ELECTION when all the OBAMA dummies would have shown up and voted for it

From the Center

August 1st, 2012
1:28 pm

gm

August 1st, 2012
1:12 pm

corporation donate to disaster relief all the time

md

August 1st, 2012
1:29 pm

“the most selfish”

Mind providing your definition of “selfish” so we can all get a basis point…..thanks.

Dave

August 1st, 2012
1:30 pm

Hey Deal – Hey Gold Dome – You take a fee for every tire purchased to be used to recycle the old tires. It was a great idea until you robbed the fund and started using it for your slush fund! And Georgia’s congress is afraid to make Georgia use it as it is lawfully mandated. Deal, You’re a liar. Politicians under the Gold Dome, you’re a bunch of dead beat liars! LOL Laughing over Lunacy, YOU GET NO DAMN MORE UNTIL YOU SHOW YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU GET NOW!

curious

August 1st, 2012
1:31 pm

New business strategy!

Come out against gay marriage and watch your business boom.

KMart will be making their announcement anytime now.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
1:31 pm

JDW… you mean “Government is the problem” from St. Ronnie has, in great part, landed all of us in this absurd situation? :D

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:32 pm

If it was just a 1 penny tax, then why did it say 1% on the ballot?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:32 pm

“Well, I stayed the heck away from that place because the word was out that the Gays were going to hold a kiss-in there”

Then you should have checked the date on that one. Doesn’t happen until the 4th.

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
1:32 pm

“Republicans have gained power by being anti-government anti-tax…”

That’s what their base supports so that’s the rhetoric they get.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:33 pm

“from St. Ronnie”

Funny how libs always mock Reagan and at the same time tell us how Obama is like him. Weird.

Kyle Wingfield

August 1st, 2012
1:34 pm

Stephenson: It was an additional sales tax of 1 percent. In Atlanta, for example, the sales tax would have risen to 9 percent from the current 8 percent.

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
1:34 pm

dB @ 12:29: it’s kind of hard for a conservative movement that’s made its bones on being anti-government, expecting those same constituents to turn around and support something that is, for all intents and purposes, an expansion of state government.

jconservative @ 12:50: I agree with Kyle that the same people who gave us the T-SPLOST will be reelected to office.

Everyone who voted NO on T-SPLOST should vote against every incumbent member of the state legislature on their ballot.

Those two posts just about sum up my opinion on this entire waste of energy. This vote was nothing more than the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. You can’t preach that government is the problem for 30-40 years and then expect your same crowd to go along with something that’s basically government being the answer.

Ideology is good for rousing the bases, but it is disasterous when it comes to governing. When you lock yourself into an ideological position, that keeps you from solving problems when the answer runs counter to your ideology. I wish Georgia nothing but good luck in trying to unwind this debacle.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:34 pm

“Come out against gay marriage and watch your business boom.”

Obama, Hillary and Bill were/are against it.

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:35 pm

And I didn’t run the numbers or see anything about it, but I find it hard to believe a 1 penny tax equates to a 15% increase.

Jose

August 1st, 2012
1:35 pm

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:32 pm
If it was just a 1 penny tax, then why did it say 1% on the ballot?

there are groups trying to pursue legal matters to find out how it could have been done that way on the ballot……………. it was a sneaky move………… can only assume they thought 1% sounded better that 1 cent (15% tax hike)

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
1:35 pm

Come out against gay marriage and watch your business boom

except Cathy didn’t do that

md

August 1st, 2012
1:35 pm

“they couldn’t solve the water issue”

10 years out of 140 and now they are responsible for the water problems??

Short of having Congress re-survey the boo boo up on the GA-TN line, there will be no solution to the water problem. Resources are finite………..Atlanta best start buying land between them and the ocean so they can build that giant desalination plant and build that giant pipeline, as there is no more water in the atl……….

JDW

August 1st, 2012
1:35 pm

@Johnny Reb…”A strong Republican Party clearly in control will make mistakes, but that is preferred to having compromise with those whom you share few beliefs and goals.”

Didn’t Germany, Russia and Japan all try that one party route once upon a time? Don’t China, North Korea and Cuba use that approach today?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:36 pm

“When you lock yourself into an ideological position, that keeps you from solving problems when the answer runs counter to your ideology.”

Obama came to mind when I read that sentence.

Gimme Gimme Gimme

August 1st, 2012
1:36 pm

I don’t agree that the public has only lost trust with the one party State. I think rational thinking voter’s no longer trust the Republican or Democratic parties nationwide.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
1:36 pm

Comprehension requires understanding that “St. Ronnie” is not intended to mock Reagan but rather the glorification of him by the GOP and the invocation of his name as their “god.” But keep trying, one day you may get one of these right.

Jose

August 1st, 2012
1:37 pm

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:32 pm
If it was just a 1 penny tax, then why did it say 1% on the ballot?

of course it could have been that the idiots that designed t-splost wrote the ballot language thus proving we can’t trust them with our money

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 1st, 2012
1:37 pm

Kyle, well thought out and expressed. For once in my life, I would like someone in Government to treat the money they confiscate, like the money I earn, spend it wisely, and be accountable for the actions they take, rather than blame some outside person or event.

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
1:38 pm

0.08 to 0.09 -> Percent change = 100*(0.09-0.08)/0.08 = 12.5%

Newnandawg

August 1st, 2012
1:38 pm

Still having a hard time understanding how our “Conservative” U.S. Rep Westmoreland supported the T-SPLOST tax.

They’re all corrupt now.

JDW

August 1st, 2012
1:39 pm

@Logic…”Libs can mock Romney and white people all they want but without the white vote, Obama is a one term president.”

Guess you missed the news…the lead is growing…

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/poll-obama-leads-romney-in-three-swing-states-130728.html?hp=l9

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:39 pm

Kyle, that’s what I thought. Saw it stated both ways in various places, even the official website fact sheet. Kind of confusing.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:39 pm

“Comprehension requires understanding that “St. Ronnie” is not intended to mock Reagan but rather the glorification of him by the GOP and the invocation of his name as their “god.” But keep trying, one day you may get one of these right.”

So…St Ronnie is not mocking Reagan, huh? Ok.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:40 pm

“the lead is growing”

NY Times poll!!! HAHAHAHAHA

md

August 1st, 2012
1:41 pm

It’s both 1% and 1 cent……as the cent is usually in reference to 1% of every dollar.

JDW

August 1st, 2012
1:41 pm

@KUTGF…”you mean “Government is the problem” from St. Ronnie has, in great part, landed all of us in this absurd situation? ”

I believe you have identified the root cause…which was then exacerbated by Newt…and has been perfected by Grover/Rush et al.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
1:41 pm

See, Logic… you are beginning to comprehend. Now here, hold this grasshopper. :lol:

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
1:42 pm

They tried to sell it as a penny tax to the uneducated

middle of the road

August 1st, 2012
1:43 pm

Stephenson Billings -I am trying to decide if your posts are tongue in cheek…

The T-SPLOST tax would have been 1 penney per dollar, that means every dollar that you spend on things with sales tax on them (cars, groceries, TVs) would be taxes an extra cent per dollar. That is the same as saying 1% (1 cent = 1% of a dollar.

For our county, it would be going from 7% sales tax to 8% sales tax – approximately a 14.3% increase (1 divided by 7).

hmmm

August 1st, 2012
1:43 pm

“Which is why I still think we’ll see a re-vote in a couple of years. As far as I know, every other city/region in other states that has tried this approach voted it down the first time, only to approve it the next go-around” – Kyle W

“Gov. Nathan Deal said Wednesday that he had no interest in revisiting a regional transportation tax after a plan for a 1-cent sales tax was resoundingly rejected by voters.

Deal also poured cold water on the idea of levying a new gas or hotel tax to make up the revenue….

As for the possibility of reviving the 1-cent regional sales tax, his answer was unequivocal.

“I have no interest in that,” he said. “I think the public has expressed their opinion on that. I see no sense in revisiting an issue that the public has rather resoundingly expressed their opinion on.”" -Deal

Kyle was big time wrong. Oh well, now people will just suffer in traffic. Have fun morons.

Newnandawg

August 1st, 2012
1:44 pm

Our “Conservative” Senators Isakson and Chambliss also supported the TSPLOST tax.

Do you think they’d support a new Federal “one penny tax” on the rich? Nope.

Crooks….one and all.

Congratulations GA Voters.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
1:46 pm

“Obama came to mind when I read that sentence.”

You mean when he worked with Republicans to extend the current tax rates?

Is that what came to mind?

When he increased the drone attacks?

Is that what came to mind?

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
1:46 pm

Md, it’s still a bit confusing and deceptive. A 1penny splost tax, like the one that gets passed all the time in Gwinnett and other counties for their schools and roads, is a lot different than increasing the sales tax by 1%. It’s the difference of a total cost of $10.61 to $10.70 (if buying something that costs $10 with a 6% sales tax).

getalife

August 1st, 2012
1:47 pm

Erwin.

Are you blind?

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
1:47 pm

Erwin’s Cat

Did you vote for Deal or any of the other Republicans who pushed the TSPOLST?

Kyle Wingfield

August 1st, 2012
1:47 pm

Stephenson @ 1:39: It was often stated by supporters as a “penny” sales tax to make it sound less imposing. Of course, it is a penny — on every dollar you spend that’s subject to sales tax.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
1:50 pm

Kyle @ 1:47

Subtle marketing. Can be seen and heard every day. Politicians just take the clue from the advertising folks who do it for a living.

Well on the other hand, I guess some politicians do the same for a living as well.

:-)

JDW

August 1st, 2012
1:51 pm

@Logic…”NY Times poll!!! HAHAHAHAHA”

Wow check out Karl Rove…he understands

http://rove.com/election

Jose

August 1st, 2012
1:51 pm

kyle
its trickery
the 1% is not the EFFECTIVE tax rate you pay

look at Numbers post with the calculations

they didnt want to admit it was a tax raise of 12-15% depending on where you live or buy things

just like a rich person in the 35% tax bracket is dumb……… their actual tax rate is lower if they use the loopholes and usually pay much less………

TAXES ARE THE MODERN TOOLS OF SLAVERY AND CONTROL…………. governments use them to allocate POWER

jj

August 1st, 2012
1:51 pm

Sonny is gone, Now it’s time to hold Gena Evans and the SRTA accountable for destroying confidence in Georgia’s public officials. She did a world of good to my commute in Gwinnett County with her lexus lanes. Abolish the SRTA.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:57 pm

“You mean when he worked with Republicans to extend the current tax rates?”

LOLOL!!!!!!!! Obama extended the BUSH tax cuts. The same cuts he claimed he was NOT going to extend.

You libs are too funny.

Jose

August 1st, 2012
1:58 pm

GA TAX RATES

6% income tax
6-8% sales tax
approx 30cents per gallon

yet we see Florida and Texas thrive with SALES TAX ONLY……………..

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
1:58 pm

I found an old Bookman column from 7 years ago and found that you posted on it.

hmm… so you’re just a noob here, Logic?

Centrist

August 1st, 2012
1:58 pm

No kidding. I rarely bother to comment here since I usually agree to the common sense.

Over at the lefist Political Insider, Galloway is avoiding the TSPLOST debacle and celebrating the few liberal wins and giving support to Kasim Reed. I’m done with that leftist blog.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:59 pm

“See, Logic… you are beginning to comprehend. Now here, hold this grasshopper.”

tick…tick…tick….

curious

August 1st, 2012
1:59 pm

At least Obama recognized the mistake of extending the tax cuts.

They haven’t worked up to now, so let’s try something different.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
1:59 pm

“hmm… so you’re just a noob here, Logic?”

Just wanted to make a point that some folks have been posting on the AJC blogs for a very long time.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:00 pm

“Are you blind?”

Hate speech.

Skip

August 1st, 2012
2:00 pm

I see math must be an elective in Georgia high schools.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

Here’s a good example of why we want the government gone-

WASHINGTON, D.C. (WUSA) — The U.S. Government won’t explain, but a 9 News Now investigation has found $30 million in unreported bonuses for fiscal year 2011 – making the already troubled General Services Administration’s total bonus pool nearly $44 million.

Where’s the Occupy protest for this, mealy mouths?

Jose

August 1st, 2012
2:03 pm

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:00 pm
“Are you blind?”

Hate speech.

sorry logic……….. i will be stealing your line
there are so many things it can be applied too

The Snark

August 1st, 2012
2:05 pm

One of your best columns yet, Kyle.

Big D

August 1st, 2012
2:06 pm

OMG! Just back from getting lunch at Chick fil A. That was the most people this part of Georgia has seen since the Union Army marched through here on the way to Kennesaw Mountain. It took more than an hour just to get up to the window to order. About a quarter mile line outside of the shopping center, then another couple of hundred yards to their property then twice around the building. Reminded me of the people cues at Disney Land. People were leaving with bags of Chick fil A. I saw many give up and leave as I was tempted to do, but I was on a mission to show the loons that this is America and people have the right to their opinions.

Dumb and Dumber

August 1st, 2012
2:06 pm

The TSPLOST failed because it was designed to failed by Sonny Perdue. Mission accomplished.

Now lets see the Nathan and the GOPers under the Dome address infrastructure — after 10 years of GOP rule the only transportation infrastructure project in metro Atlanta has been turning an HOV lane into a toll lane at the cost of $110 million in federal funds. Nice effort.

Saw an interesting story this morning on the news about how Nathan Deal is taking millions from a settlement about mortgage fraud to fund economic development in rural areas, but he is not willing to spend one cent to alleviate the mess caused by bankers in metro Atlanta (including Cobb and Gwinnett) to help homeowners.

Nice to have a Governor who cares so little about metro Atlanta — but no worries, he will be overwhelmingly reelected in Cobb and Gwinnett anyway.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
2:06 pm

I Report — “Where’s the Occupy protest for this, mealy mouths?”

Riiiiiiiight next the the Tea Party protest for it.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
2:09 pm

Big D — “I saw many give up and leave as I was tempted to do, but I was on a mission to show the loons that this is America and people have the right to their opinions.”

If no one tried to stop you or otherwise dissuade you from eating there, then how, exactly, was your opinion at stake?

Some people choose to eat there. Some people don’t. Sounds like personal opinions at work to me.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 1st, 2012
2:10 pm

a natural disaster happens do any one see business handing out checks to help people?

No, business is smarter than that. They know that cash draws a big crowd, containing many who have not suffered, but just need some lottery money. Business is usually involved in cooking food, supplying generators, providing medical supplies, and organizing people to help those truly in need.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
2:10 pm

We understand you want govt gone. Of course, food-borne illnesses are not decreasing and in some cases are increasing. Millions of Americans are getting sick as efforts to frustate the implementation of the new law and inspections are blocked. But hey, sure, no government is best. :roll: So much for those kids and adults. :roll: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/food-borne-illnesses-not-diminishing-cdc-finds/2012/07/28/gJQAaFGxGX_story.html

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
2:10 pm

Eat a Peach 0- Did you vote for Deal or any of the other Republicans who pushed the TSPOLST?

yes over Barnes in a minute…as I rule I vote against every incumbent when possible…and always vote for any 3rd party candidate in the primaries …what’s you’re point?

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
2:11 pm

get – no not blind, I still see +8% unemployment…what do you see?

md

August 1st, 2012
2:12 pm

“A 1penny splost tax, like the one that gets passed all the time in Gwinnett and other counties for their schools and roads, is a lot different than increasing the sales tax by 1%. ”

No, those in gwinnett were also 1% of every dollar. The sales tax rate goes up by 1% for the time period specified, then it returns to the old rate (unless more was added in the interim).

Trish

August 1st, 2012
2:14 pm

I find it hard to give credit for the defeat of the TSPLOST to any group or party. I have 53 years of experience to back up my vote yesterday— state and federal level politicians (how I hate generalizations, but in this case, I stand by it) have deliberately lied, misrepresented themselves, or haven’t known enough about the process involved in fulfilling a promise made, for as long as I’ve been following politics and government. I don’t feel the need to give them any more of the money I work so hard for when I watch many of the dollars taken already misused.

Centrist

August 1st, 2012
2:14 pm

curious posted “At least Obama recognized the mistake of extending the tax cuts.”

Do you think there is ,b>any chance at all that the current tax rates will expire on 1/1/2013, or the top rate increased?

Hint: Even if Obama is re-elected, he and Congress are not going to go over the fiscal cliff of across the board tax bracket increases. Congress is not going to go along with the class warfare electioneering (once again by Obama) of increasing the top rate on those productive professional families and small business owners earning over $200/$250K.

Jeffrey

August 1st, 2012
2:14 pm

Good one Kyle. I wonder if these guys will listen. If they don’t I think they’ll be gone in the next vote.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 1st, 2012
2:15 pm

Centrist

Welcome aboard! I’m sure the loons over there will not miss you, as they like to pat each other on the back and you are just a distraction.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 1st, 2012
2:18 pm

All the tax cuts will be extended, regardless of who wins. Obama is just playing to his unintelligent base, with the wealth envy.

No intelligent person believes that raising taxes, while in an economic depression, is a good idea. The economy is not growing, enough to create jobs as it is. What would happen to unemployment if you raise taxes on the top 2 to 3 % of the small businesses that create most of the jobs?

Gimme Gimme Gimme

August 1st, 2012
2:19 pm

Rafe – “I’m sure the loons over there will not miss you, as they like to pat each other on the back and you are just a distraction.”

That was funny and accurate.

Jose

August 1st, 2012
2:20 pm

KYLE wrote
it’s also a puzzling situation, given that many of the same people who voted overwhelmingly against the T-SPLOST have been voting in large numbers to elect the same Republican politicians who gave us the T-SPLOST

its not puzzling…………. conservatives will not follow BLINDLY whatever REPUBLICANS do………. they promise fiscal responsibility and dont act on it CONSERVATIVES TAKE ACTION

LIBERALS JUST ACCEPT ALL TAX RAISES AND ALL NON-DEFENSE SPENDING!

Big D

August 1st, 2012
2:22 pm

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
2:09 pm
Big D — “I saw many give up and leave as I was tempted to do, but I was on a mission to show the loons that this is America and people have the right to their opinions.”

If no one tried to stop you or otherwise dissuade you from eating there, then how, exactly, was your opinion at stake?

Some people choose to eat there. Some people don’t. Sounds like personal opinions at work to me.

Joe, I guess you forgot today is the day your left leaning buddies called for a boycott of Chick-fil-A because their CEO stated exactly the same thing as Barack Obama did prior to his recent desperate attempt at getting a couple of votes. Today has been a thumb in the loons eyes. LOL.

@@

August 1st, 2012
2:22 pm

I picked up a grilled chicken salad at Chik-Fil-A. I’ve already had my annual peach milkshake. Here in Clayton County (home of the Cathy’s) it was jam packed.

My husband wanted me to wait until he got home so we could swap slobber in public. Tacky, tacky, tacky.

I can imagine all the little kids saying…

ew

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
2:25 pm

For a lighter moment regarding the chicken controversy: http://teamcoco.com/video/highlight-07/26/12

Ayn Rant

August 1st, 2012
2:26 pm

Actually, the “lost” refers to the voters frame of mind when they rejected the “splost”! Here was an opportunity to create thousands of jobs, invigorate the flagging state economy, and gain some infrastructure improvements, all for a piddling 1% increase in the sales tax, which no one will notice.

Our elected politicians are too cowardly to take any actions to improve the economy and the infrastructure, so we are indeed “lost”.

Centrist

August 1st, 2012
2:26 pm

Oblamer’s ineptocracy posted “All the tax cuts will be extended, regardless of who wins.”

Of course – but has to be by a lame duck Congress after the election. The only things to be settled before the election are postponements until after. They already did that with a continuing resolution for spending. The talk of the old “Gang of 6″ trying to spark a tax, spending, credit limit grand bargain is a waste of breath until 2013 – but it keeps those geezers away from us for a while.

Don

August 1st, 2012
2:27 pm

All you have to do is:

“First, create a truly regional (if not state-run) governance structure for mass transit in metro Atlanta that incorporates MARTA and the other transit agencies. Second, allow voters beyond Fulton and DeKalb to vote in a referendum to participate in the system, with specific descriptions of the infrastructure and services that would come with it. If they want to join, let them join the same way Fulton and DeKalb joined MARTA.”

That’s a good, rational approach. It’s also the funniest thing I’ve heard all day!

What MIGHT happen is the legislature will create a oversight group filled with political hacks from around the state that will oversee possible coordination between MARTA, CCT and GCT. They will get caught eating expensive meals and will say things like “Breeze is good.”

O House Dawg

August 1st, 2012
2:28 pm

Should could use a Tom Murphy now.

md

August 1st, 2012
2:30 pm

“First of all, he’s right. Normally, you don’t raise taxes in a recession, which is why we haven’t and why we’ve instead cut taxes. So I guess what I’d say to Scott is – his economics are right. You don’t raise taxes in a recession. We haven’t raised taxes in a recession.”

Evidently, it is ok to raise them when the economy is barely moving, just not in a recession.

Not too sure how that is supposed to work, but it seems to make sense to someone……

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
2:30 pm

I picked up a grilled chicken salad at Chik-Fil-A. I’ve already had my annual peach milkshake

Nothing quite as tasty as celebrating bigotry.

Ive got a feeling this is one of those made up scandals like the ” War on Christmas ”

The Cathys are laughing all the way to the bank.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:30 pm

Anyone seen JamVet? I wonder if he’s protesting in front of Chicfila?

Road Scholar

August 1st, 2012
2:32 pm

Kyle : with a gas tax, how do the owners/operators of hybrid and electric cars pay their fair share? Last time I checked, they took up the same space and damaged the pavement as gas cars!

Under Deal’s plan B , how do you like all final decisions on transportation being mad by the gov, someone with no professional transportation experience?

Was the vote against Tsplost a vote against consumption taxes, as proposed by some to replace the income tax based on earnings?

There are some parallels here.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:36 pm

“For a lighter moment regarding the chicken controversy”

The only controversy is how the left is trying to silence free speech. The majority of the country agrees with Cathy.

curious

August 1st, 2012
2:37 pm

Road Scholar
August 1st, 2012
2:32 pm
Kyle : with a gas tax, how do the owners/operators of hybrid and electric cars pay their fair share?

Just like Romney paying his fair share of income tax. Take advantage of the system and let the others pay.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
2:38 pm

More silliness…. Everyone will get a tax cut under Obama plan for the first $250k. Only those making having income above that $250k will pay the rates prior to the Bush Tax Cuts for amounts above $250k. And sensible analysis shows that the return to prior rates will not have adverse consequences for that small group (2 million people) and will raise revenues.

But tell us about the GOP plan to raise taxes on 24 million middle and lower class Americans. And the Romney tax plan to raise taxes on families with income below $200k (95% of Americans) by $2,000 on average. Please do tie it into your prior comments about “making sense to someone”. :roll:

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
2:39 pm

Big D — “Joe, I guess you forgot today is the day your left leaning buddies called for a boycott of Chick-fil-A”

I didn’t forget. And you’re not obliged to take part if you don’t care to, are you? So once again, how, exactly, was your opinion at stake?

“because their CEO stated exactly the same thing as Barack Obama did prior to his recent desperate attempt at getting a couple of votes.”

I wouldn’t say ‘desperate’ at all.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

“Today has been a thumb in the loons eyes. LOL.”

Not in the least. Despite what many on your side might say and believe, I’ve wished quite a few people pleasant meals at CFA recently. I personally don’t care whether the boycott has any lasting effect, and my aim in boycotting CFA has nothing whatsoever to do with harming their business. I simply don’t care to patronize a business that chooses to fund groups that work against my or my friends’ civil rights.

If you choose to go there, then I hope you enjoy your meal. If my wife and I choose not to go there, then I hope you can accept our choice as we accept yours.

md

August 1st, 2012
2:39 pm

“Nothing quite as tasty as celebrating bigotry. ”

I’m a bit confused as to how that works. Chick-fil-a says the exact same thing as the President of the US of A and one is bigotry and one is not, can you explain how that works??

For reference:

“What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,”

Also bigotry by your definition??

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
2:39 pm

The only controversy is how the left is trying to silence free speech. The majority of the country agrees with Cathy.

Ummm wrong

http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Two-Thirds-of-Democrats-Now-Support-Gay-Marriage.aspx

48 percent support gay marriage 44 percent do not.

The numbers go up of course when you get to the uneducated hillbilly republican voters.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:40 pm

“Everyone will get a tax cut under Obama plan for the first $250k.”

Flat out lie.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
2:40 pm

Christians nationwide are vowing to “eat mor chikin” today in observation of Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, an event that was organized to show support for the popular restaurant chain’s stand for Biblical marriage.

Just my opinion, of course, but all of the folks who went out of there way to go to Chick-fil-A today are just as silly as those who are boycotting. In the long run, chicken sales have absolutely nothing to do with the rightness of supporting gay marriage. If you really feel that passionately about the topic, put that same energy into something more meaningful.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:41 pm

“48 percent support gay marriage 44 percent do not.”

Then explain why EVERY SINGLE state has voted gay marriage down where it was on the ballot.

“The numbers go up of course when you get to the uneducated hillbilly republican voters.”

California, Oregon etc are not Republican states.

Try again.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
2:42 pm

Well come on Logic. While this may be your “first foray”, I doubt it…. got real evidence to support your assertion of a lie?

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
2:42 pm

md — “I’m a bit confused as to how that works. Chick-fil-a says the exact same thing as the President of the US of A and one is bigotry and one is not, can you explain how that works??”

Obama: ‘I think same-sex couples should be able to get married’

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/09/11621156-obama-i-think-same-sex-couples-should-be-able-to-get-married?lite

Steve-USA

August 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

Joe Mama- “If you choose to go there, then I hope you enjoy your meal. If my wife and I choose not to go there, then I hope you can accept our choice as we accept yours.”

I hope Joe will not take it as an insult that I agree with him but when this issue came up some of said we would make a personal choice to go elsewhere. No one said we would attempt to stop others from going to chic-fil-a.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

“But tell us about the GOP plan to raise taxes on 24 million middle and lower class Americans. And the Romney tax plan to raise taxes on families with income below $200k (95% of Americans) by $2,000 on average.”

Another lie by KUTGF.

@@

August 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

Love this from George Will.

The GOP’s defeat in 1912 — like that in 1964 under Barry Goldwater, whose spirit infuses the tea party — was profoundly constructive. By rejecting TR, it preserved the Constitution from capricious majorities. When Cruz comes to the Senate, he and like-minded Republicans — Utah’s Mike Lee, Kentucky’s Rand Paul, South Carolina’s Jim DeMint, Wisconsin’s Ron Johnson, Pennsylvania’s Pat Toomey, Florida’s Marco Rubio, and, if they win, Indiana’s Richard Mourdock, Arizona’s Jeff Flake and perhaps some others — can honor two exemplary senatorial predecessors by forming the small but distinguished Root-Lodge Caucus

I’d call it the UpRoot the Lodgers Caucus.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/01/george-will-in-the-company-of-madison/

Nothing quite as tasty as celebrating bigotry free speech.

Fixed it for ‘ya, Cheesy.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

Steve — “I hope Joe will not take it as an insult that I agree with him but when this issue came up some of said we would make a personal choice to go elsewhere. No one said we would attempt to stop others from going to chic-fil-a.”

I don’t take it as an insult at all. My only complaint is aimed at people who are dissing others for their personal choice in the matter, whether that choice is to patronize CFA or to avoid it entirely.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

I found an old Bookman column from 7 years ago and found that you posted on it. What this means is that you’ve spent 7+ years blogging day in and day out on the AJC blogs.

Also, special note to “Logic” and to “Sick of Progs”–In case you guys haven’t noticed, we’re trying to get Kyle to keep the blog open in the evening. Every time one of you guys goes off on one of your ridiculous rants against AmVet or anyone else, you set our efforts back another few weeks. Please remember that you are part of a community here. Stop messing things up for the rest of us.

P.S. Choosing an offensive blog name isn’t helping either.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

I would go to Zaxby’s because chick fila tastes like bigotry .

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
2:46 pm

“What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,”

Also bigotry by your definition??

Yes it is. I was vvery disappointed in Obama over this.

Thank god he had an Etch a Sketch moment on that one.

Discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation is no different than discriminating against them because of race or gender.

It will take awhile but eventually you knuckle draggers will be brought around on this issue.

Or maybe you will keep listening to Bill Orielly and believe same sex marriage will lead to people marrying goats or some other non sense.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
2:47 pm

Logic, you can keep claiming the truth is a lie but you ain’t backing it with nothing but bluster. It’s a childish assertion without evidence.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:47 pm

“While this may be your “first foray”, I doubt it…. got real evidence to support your assertion of a lie?”

If there was evidence to back up your claim you’d have already posted it. Instead, you divert attention away from your lies by asking questions and making asinine comments.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
2:48 pm

Nothing quite as tasty as celebrating bigotry free speech.

Fixed it for ‘ya, Cheesy.

LOL. Lamest comeback ever.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:48 pm

Bruno

I wasn’t around when Kyle decided to close up shop for the evenings. Trying to pin this on me will get you nowhere.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
2:49 pm

Hey Joe Mama–Glad to see you hanging out at Kyles. I hope you make it a point to stop by even after Jay returns. I kinda miss some of our knock-down, drag-out fights!! ;-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:51 pm

“I would go to Zaxby’s because chick fila tastes like bigotry .”

No one cares.

Skip

August 1st, 2012
2:51 pm

Sex and chickens, this is what concerns you folks? Strange days indeed.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
2:52 pm

.Then explain why EVERY SINGLE state has voted gay marriage down where it was on the ballot.

Tough to say when the majority of people now support gay marriage.

I would suspect that it wont get voted down outside the South much longer.

Over 63 percent of people born after 1980 support same sex marriage.

Its just a matter of time before the old bigots die off and things will change.

Rodert Rudis

August 1st, 2012
2:52 pm

Too bad for Atlanta. And Decatur, and Rex, and Lithonia, and Jonesboro, and Mableton, and Tucker, and Marietta, and every other community in the environs of Atlanta that desperately needs an efficient, inexpensive, convenient transportation system, not cars. Traffic is Atlanta’s No. 1 problem. Neither the political class, nor the constituents, nor the local media seem to be even remotely aware of this. Yes, they all talk a good game, but when it comes time to play, they’re all on the bench moaning and groaning. I used to live in Atlanta. The trafffic drove me (and my business) away. How I ever managed to live in Atlanta for as long as I did seems like a miracle to me now.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
2:53 pm

Give it a rest logic.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

I wasn’t around when Kyle decided to close up shop for the evenings. Trying to pin this on me will get you nowhere.

He specifically extended the early hours the night you got banned.

I’m not here to get into any soap-opera battles with you or anyone, but you need to grow up or go hang out somewhere else. Capice??

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
2:55 pm

Bruno — “Hey Joe Mama–Glad to see you hanging out at Kyles. I hope you make it a point to stop by even after Jay returns. I kinda miss some of our knock-down, drag-out fights!!”

I’m always willing to lock horns, even with people with whom I disagree, so long as we can do it without being disagreeable. :)

I don’t often post here because my temperature often shoots up past the Publicly Polite range when I do.

That said, there’s a good argument for me to post here. One doesn’t sharpen one’s arguments and rhetoric by always posting them in the Amen Corner. Just as a sword needs to be properly forged and tempered in order to take the best edge, so too do one’s arguments need to be weathered and tested in hostile environments.

@@

August 1st, 2012
2:55 pm

Cheesy:

Thank god he had an Etch a Sketch moment on that one.

Don’t fool yourself. It was Biden’s inconvenient comment that shook up our etch-a-sketch president.

Other than his self-serving support, nothing has changed.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

“you can keep claiming the truth is a lie but you ain’t backing it with nothing but bluster. It’s a childish assertion without evidence.

I keep noticing that you never back any of your claims up with links/facts yet you continue to divert away.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:56 pm

“Tough to say when the majority of people now support gay marriage.”

But then again, they don’t.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

“Give it a rest logic.”

Make me.

BW

August 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

Kyle

Nicely done…now we wait

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
2:58 pm

But then again, they don’t.

But then again, they do.

And the numbers are rising dramatically with each new generation.

Its over.

Kyle Wingfield

August 1st, 2012
2:58 pm

Road @ 2:32: Long-term, I think we’ll move away from the gas tax to something else. Tolls are the most obvious alternative. I think it will be a long time before people accept a system tracking vehicle miles traveled … even if the technology and data are already pretty much in use with cellphones and GPS devices.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
2:59 pm

The dems are adding gay marriage to their platform.

The gop are adding more tea party cons.

The gop will show you a real depression.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
2:59 pm

“He specifically extended the early hours the night you got banned.

I’m not here to get into any soap-opera battles with you or anyone, but you need to grow up or go hang out somewhere else. Capice??”

Like I stated before, he shut it down because other folks got into a fight. I was not one of those folks. He banned me because I called JamVet something other than what his blog handle was.

Kyle Wingfield

August 1st, 2012
3:00 pm

As for your other questions: I think it will be incumbent on Deal to prove he’s choosing projects in a transparent manner, or this lack of trust problem will visit his door as well.

And I don’t think there’s a parallel between this vote and the broader call for shifting to consumption taxes, because no tax was going away or being reduced in this case.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:00 pm

“And the numbers are rising dramatically with each new generation.

Its over.”

No, they’re not. It’s like libs stating that the Tea Party would fizzle out. Never happened and it’s alive and well.

Just because you say something is true doesn’t mean it’s true.

Like I stated before, every time it’s on the ballot, it’s struck down.

See: North Carolina.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

“The dems are adding gay marriage to their platform.”

And they’ll lose a lot of seats come November.

Obama = the best thing to happen to conservatives since Reagan. Worst thing ever for the Democrat Party.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
3:03 pm

Well Logic, since we know your past history under many names and your repeated banning from Bookman’s, we know how fast you move the goalposts. So prove your claim of lies and I’ll be glad to prove my original statement correct. You can do that right? I mean you do have more than internet chest thumping when you claim “lies” or is that just knee jerk reaction? You can do this logically without resort to personal attacks? Let’s see you take an honest challenge while learning to play nice.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
3:03 pm

OBAMA equals DISASTER; FAILED economy!
Let’s hope Americans come to their senses this fall and vote this buffoon out of office.

“The Federal Reserve on Wednesday said the U.S. economic recovery had lost momentum so far this year…”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48444211

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
3:04 pm

Kyle — “Long-term, I think we’ll move away from the gas tax to something else. Tolls are the most obvious alternative.”

Kyle, are you familiar with the system in use on the Dulles Toll Road in suburban Northern Virginia?

getalife

August 1st, 2012
3:05 pm

“Massachusetts became the first state to legalize same-sex marriage in 2004″wiki

See: Massachusetts.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:06 pm

See: North Carolina. ,/i>

LOL . The bigoted South doesn’t count. Heck 50 years ago blacks couldn’t even eat at the same restaurants in the South.

http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Two-Thirds-of-Democrats-Now-Support-Gay-Marriage.aspx

Look at the bottom of the screen.

Facts are facts.

Its over for the bigots.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:06 pm

“Well Logic, since we know your past history under many names and your repeated banning from Bookman’s, we know how fast you move the goalposts.”

Like I stated, you keep diverting attention away from your lies. It gets you nowhere.

“So prove your claim of lies and I’ll be glad to prove my original statement correct.”

LOL

“You can do this logically without resort to personal attacks? ”

What personal attacks?

getalife

August 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

I don’t think government should track our cars or pee.

It is odd reading the gop supporting a tax increase.

Cue the twilight zone theme.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

“The bigoted South doesn’t count. Heck 50 years ago blacks couldn’t even eat at the same restaurants in the South.”

North Carolina went for Obama in 2008. The DNC will hold their convention there.

Keep trying.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:08 pm

“I don’t think government should track our cars or pee.”

Yet you’re fine with it defining marriage.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:09 pm

“Facts are facts.”

A poll is not a fact.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:10 pm

“Massachusetts became the first state to legalize same-sex marriage in 2004″wiki”

And their state is going bankrupt.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:10 pm

Kyle, is it ok to post links?

Here’s a good one.

Black pastors group launches anti-Obama campaign around gay marriage

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/31/black-pastors-group-launches-anti-obama-campaign-around-gay-marriage/

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

Awk! Memory overflow in line 1310! :eek:

Kyle, please disregard my earlier question and replace with this one:

Are you familiar with the system used on I-90/Mass Pike in Massachusetts?

getalife

August 1st, 2012
3:12 pm

Logic,

I don’t think government should be watching in our bedrooms.

They should protect the children though.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
3:12 pm

“Yet you’re fine with it (Government) defining marriage…..”

…as a MAN and a MAN or a WOMAN and a WOMAN or a …. :-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:12 pm

“I don’t think government should be watching in our bedrooms.”

That we can agree on.

Thomas

August 1st, 2012
3:15 pm

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Found this on the web. The real Deal Governor Deal could offer heavy tax incentives for an Asian trolley manufacturer to come in. Stimulus III could provide 586 million to fund a start up Trolleyandra.
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Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:17 pm

I said this a while back about the Atlanta traffic problems. The ONLY way to curb it would be to burn the city to the ground, build on a grid system and create a Chicago style transit system. Atlanta is one of the worst planned cities in the US. It was never designed to house a transit system. Marta is a joke and should be shut down ASAP.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:21 pm

Even the libs in Chicago agree that Obama is in big time trouble.

Obama insults small-business owners

The White House has been in damage control mode ever since those remarks, and Friday’s report showing the economy grew at an anemic 1.5 percent in the last quarter only added to the urgency of Obama’s re-election campaign to find a way to change the subject.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/14087561-452/obama-insults-small-business-owners.html

Dirty Dawg

August 1st, 2012
3:23 pm

I hereby vow to boycott the chicken folks…in the winter when they aren’t serving peach milkshakes and except when my Grandkids want to go…but other than that.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

What I learned from reading these thoughts, is that, those who preach tolerance the most, the libs, are the least tolerant.

Chick Fil A controversy is fueled by people, who are tired of those trying to silence others. If Cathy has an opinion, he has a right to express it. Deal with it. An effort to tie this to bigotry is just another effort to silence the protest over his right to have an opinion, kinda like calling people racists, because they disagree.

And, why all the bitterness over the Tee Splat. It is democracy in action, support it, rather than be so bitter.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

“I hereby vow to boycott the chicken folks”

I’m sure the billionaire Cathy will miss your business. He must be crying in his sweet tea right now.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

“What I learned from reading these thoughts, is that, those who preach tolerance the most, the libs, are the least tolerant.

Of course the libs are intolerant. They make claims that something is true, then when they can’t post a link to back up their claims, they divert attention away to personal attacks. It’s all they have.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

North Carolina went for Obama in 2008. The DNC will hold their convention there.

Keep trying

Nah. You wouldn’t get it anyway.

If you cant see attitudes are changing in this country. That the younger the generation the more they support same sex marriage then there is nothing left to say.

I know you dont like it.

But its coming just the same.

If you are over 50 ( like I assume you are ) then you will probably be gone by then anyway so take heart in that.

Motorist

August 1st, 2012
3:27 pm

If T-SPLOST really wants to improve traffic in metro Atlanta, they should remove the ridiculous Peach Pass lane in Gwinnett County and make it a priority. We should of never had it in the first place. It has not made traffic easier and noone is using it. Waste of money!!!

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Last Fox News poll had Obama ahead by 4 points.

If Obama is ahead in a Fox News poll well ….

That cant be good for Cheesy Grits.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

“If you cant see attitudes are changing in this country. That the younger the generation the more they support same sex marriage then there is nothing left to say.”

No they aren’t.

“If you are over 50 ( like I assume you are ) then you will probably be gone by then anyway so take heart in that.”

Again with the lies.

A dad

August 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

Getting back on topic, why don’t we take all the fees and taxes intended for transportation and put them in a “lockbox” like Social Security? There, that ought to stimulate some fun comments (and yes, I know that SSI funds have been robbed and replaced by paper back by the full faith and credit of the gov’t for years)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

“Last Fox News poll had Obama ahead by 4 points.”

Then again, the election is in November. This time 4 years ago, Mccain had a lead over Obama. It’s funny how elections work ain’t it.

Let’s see, Obama has angered white people, independents, blacks, Jews and Latinos.

Not good.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

They make claims that something is true, then when they can’t post a link to back up their claims,

I posted many links. You just choose not to accept them because they dont fit your narrative LOL

I love the fact that Christians and Conservatives are crying of discrimination against Chick Fil A when it was their own bigotry that started the whole thing.

Oh the irony !!!

josef

August 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

On topic: heh, heh, looks like the voters have made their point. You’re a poltician? You want it? That’s good enough a reason to vote against it. The price of pork is just too high for these trying times.

*******

And the “bigoted South…” Oh, dearie me, are we ever going to realize just how thin that one wears in this day and age…the South evidently HAS rejoined the Union…or the rest of the Union has rejoined the South…nothing going on in one part of the country that’s not going on in the other…
Equality? Ain’t it grand?

willie lynch

August 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

I agree with you on much of that Kyle.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:33 pm

Then again, the election is in November. This time 4 years ago, Mccain had a lead over Obama. It’s funny how elections work ain’t it.

It is. Long way to go. But all things being equal id much rather be ahead right now than behind.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
3:33 pm

R. Hollister — “Chick Fil A controversy is fueled by people, who are tired of those trying to silence others.”

Who’s attempting to silence anyone?

“If Cathy has an opinion, he has a right to express it. Deal with it.”

And he has no right to be exempted from *consequences* arising from the public expression of those views. Deal with it. Or, in the words of Rush Limbaugh, “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.”

“An effort to tie this to bigotry is just another effort to silence the protest over his right to have an opinion.”

No one’s disputed his right to have and express an opinion. The issue is that he stated that his opinions on the matter were guiding principles for the *business.* I’m perfectly willing to accept his personal views on the subject, and had he left it at that, I could have overlooked it and continued to patronize his business. However, when he made it plain that his personal views were key to how he ran CFA, that was it as far as I’m concerned.

Again, Mr. Cathy is certainly entitled to have whatever views he wants and to express them whenever and however he wants. But he’s got no reasonable expectation of everyone separating his personal views from how his business is run if he’s going to *explicitly* tie them together.

willie lynch

August 1st, 2012
3:33 pm

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:31 pm

This coming from the side who’s candidate will only do interviews on one network. Truly a man of wide ranging views and opinons.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/election_2012_vs_election_2008_four_years_ago_today.html

And BTW your wrong. Obama was ahead in the polls this time last year.

I provided a link !!!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

“I posted many links. You just choose not to accept them because they dont fit your narrative LOL”

You posted a link to a Pew Poll. Not exactly the most reliable poll out there.

“I love the fact that Christians and Conservatives are crying of discrimination against Chick Fil A when it was their own bigotry that started the whole thing.

Wrong again. NO ONE cried discrimination. Do you not know what the first amendment is all about?

Bigotry? LOL, keep trying.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

“This coming from the side who’s candidate will only do interviews on one network. Truly a man of wide ranging views and opinons.”

Another lie.

John Birch

August 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

Cathy has every right to be self-righteous and delusional. After all his religious believes are those of the pro-slavery division of a christian sect that started some 1600 years after the death of hrist and yet have the audacity to purport to know the word of god. I’ve had my last filet and the fries suck anyway.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

“And BTW your wrong. Obama was ahead in the polls this time last year.”

You DO realize that there are many polls out there, right?

Ed

August 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

Mr. Wingfield – Your research is rather shallow and seems to blame the 1st republican govenor post civil war. Actually if you or the paper were truly into reporting facts, you would find that the last democrat govenor Roy Barnes and his cronies tried to steal the GA 400 toll money so they could purchase land from their friends. Then some unknown committee votes to extend the tolls till 2050 (I think) without public notice of the meeting or public comment. We have endured broken promise after broken promise from politicians in this town & state. What we object to is the cushy pensions convicted politicians and state employees get anyway.

Then there was the corruption under Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell, in the Fulton County government, DeKalb County government, and the list just goes on and on…..

The policitcal class just does not get it. Who the hell is paying for all their salaires & benefits & pensions. How big a staff all the polictians have. How about the Atlanta Regional Commission, G-DOT, the transportation department of each county or the transportation department of each city.
WE THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR ALL THIS!!!!! And I am only talking about transportation.

Fulton & DeKalb taxpayers pay for MARTA, Grady. In Fulton we have a E-SPLOST we are paying for (don’t get me started on the school board). Our wonderful county commission is handing out pay raises / bonuses while people are lossing their homes. Where is the belt tightening at the city couty or state level?

THE TAXPAYER IS TAPPED OUT!!!! If the media in this town would take their blinders off and really work for the citizens of our fine metro area, then maybe just maybe, we can trust the politicians and you – the media.

Until then – FORGET ABOUT IT!!!!

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

This coming from the side who’s candidate will only do interviews on one network. Truly a man of wide ranging views and opinons.

Hey Fox News is fair and balanced. They cover both sides of the news.

The Republican side AND the Conservative side.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:37 pm

“And he has no right to be exempted from *consequences* arising from the public expression of those views. Deal with it. Or, in the words of Rush Limbaugh, “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.”

What consequences? Chicfil is doing quite well.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:37 pm

“Hey Fox News is fair and balanced. They cover both sides of the news.

Romney has been on CNN, ABC, CBS etc. Keep lying, libs.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

You DO realize that there are many polls out there, right?

Yes and as the link i provided shows. Obama was ahead in most of them.

Just like now.

I gotta know… how does that taste ?

josef

August 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

Okay, according to my faith…

Let’s go there…all you momzerim pull out the shlong and call the mohel..don’t matter if the doc did do it when you were born, no go, not kosher…gotta do it right..at least three drops of blood in the presence of a minyan…

I want a law sanctioning that…after all, it’s been traditional for about 4,000 years now…

The good part is, though, you can buy a Canadian… :-)

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

August 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

For the poll people, you might as well use one of the two who got the 2008 election right.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Mitt Romney attracting 47% of the vote, while President Obama earns support from 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

Most voters under 40 prefer Obama while most over 40 support Romney. The gender gap is alive and well. Obama does about 14 points better among women than men. Among white voters, Romney leads 56% to 35%. Obama has an overwhelming lead among black voters and leads by a two-to-one margin among other minority voters. All of these dynamics are similar to Election 2008.

From Rasmussenreports.com

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

“After all his religious believes are those of the pro-slavery”

Democrats created the KKK. Deal with it.

Also, Muslims will kill homosexuals. Christians, not so much.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

“Yes and as the link i provided shows. Obama was ahead in most of them.”

But not all, like you claim.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:40 pm

What consequences? Chicfil is doing quite well.

Yes they are. They are laughing all the way to the bank over this ” controversy ”

Keep spending money Christian solider.

Would you like fries with that.. LOL

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
3:40 pm

Christians, not so much

More beef, 10% less killing….. :roll:

Paul Jones

August 1st, 2012
3:41 pm

I think TSPLOST lost because we the voters just didn’t trust the politicians to do what they say they are going to do with all that money. I can just imagine some of that money finding it’s way for the new stadium or some other project that they, the politicians deem as a “we have to do it” project. Also, I think that taxing us more in this economy isn’t good timing with people barely getting by as it is.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:41 pm

“Keep spending money Christian solider.”

My money, that I earned, will continue to go towards Chicfila, the NRA etc.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:42 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

Again misses the point.

Will

August 1st, 2012
3:42 pm

T-splost failing proves why we are a second rate city. Our infrastructure still sucks and its evident that until public transportation and road planning are improved we will remain that way. In the meantime, businesses will shun us for better alternatives.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:42 pm

But not all, like you claim.

You’ve officially moved to clown stage.

I know it hurts getting owned.

Its ok . Take a walk around the block.

Second thought at your age dont. LOL

james

August 1st, 2012
3:43 pm

So glad T-splost was soundly beaten. I think
North Georgia folks have had enough of these low
life politicians to see through this tax. Maybe
Atlanta will vote out REED who is just another Atlanta Mayor
who needs to get a real job. Not sure what in the
heck the people over in Augusta area and Savannah area
were thinking by passing this law…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:44 pm

“You’ve officially moved to clown stage.”

Like I stated earlier, libs always resort to name calling.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:44 pm

“Second thought at your age dont. LOL”

Personal attacks get you banned. Also, I’m much younger than you realize.

That Black guy

August 1st, 2012
3:45 pm

USMC

August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm
“I don’t know how much more anti-government you can get than that.”

I would say there is a GIGANTIC difference in ANTI government/taxes and LIMITED government/taxes, but I don’t expect to change your (closed) mind.

The author even gives you a clue…. the word “limited”…
“Man is not free unless government is LIMITED.”
___________________________________________________

That’s because in todays political climate, almost everything has to be taken to extremes.

If you want smaller/limited government, it means you want absolutely NO government of ANY kind, EVAH!
If you say government is necessary, then you want government to control every aspect of life, FOREVAH!

If you disagree with someone, it means you HATE them.
If you agree with someone, it means you WORSHIP them.

There is no room for civil discourse in this country anymore.

The days of talking TO someone are over.
The days of talking AT people are at their zenith.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

August 1st, 2012
3:45 pm

Ok

I pass the baton.

Logic I would say it was fun but spanking you all over these boards really isn’t much of a challenge.

See ya

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

FYI, things work differently over here than they do over on Bookman’s blog. For instance, when you resort to name calling and personal attacks, Kyle will ban you. He doesn’t just ban one side like Bookman does.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

I don’t take it as an insult at all. My only complaint is aimed at people who are dissing others for their personal choice in the matter, whether that choice is to patronize CFA or to avoid it entirely.

Joe–As I questioned above, do you really think that protesting at Chik-fil-A is going to change the political landscape for gay folks even one iota?? If you think about it, their views on gay marriage have been the same for many years. Just my opinion, but I think your efforts would be better directed in the political arena. More or less chicken sales isn’t going to change a thing.

I don’t often post here because my temperature often shoots up past the Publicly Polite range when I do.

Awwww, c’mon, Joe. If I could put up with Jay for the past 3 years, you can handle the crowd here. Kyle’s a sweetheart by comparison. ;-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

“Logic I would say it was fun but spanking you all over these boards really isn’t much of a challenge.”

You’re a legend in your own mind.

LASO

August 1st, 2012
3:47 pm

Transit and roads go hand in hand – it’s part of a COMPLETE transportation solution. @Kyle – makes absolutely no sense to use the gas tax for roads only. Politically, yes – but logically, no. Otherwise – a very thoughtful and well written piece. And I agree with the earlier post regarding the Tea Party. Bestowning credit to them for the defeat of TSPLOST is beyond laughable. This was bound to fail at it’s inception. The current state leaders are unable and unwilling (and quite frankly, uneducated in regards to urban transportation planning) to be a part of the solution. And sadly, even baby steps are well beyond their ability.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
3:50 pm

Logic — “What consequences? Chicfil is doing quite well.”

Then Mr. Hollister has no complaint coming, now does he?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

More or less chicken sales isn’t going to change a thing.

Perhaps, but then again at least profits from any sales they would have from those of us who stay away are not available to go to the offensive causes the company promotes. That is one of the basics of “free enterprise”, right. Otherwise your contention seems to suggest “free enterprise” fails on some levels.

josef

August 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

GOOD FIGHT
@ 3:40

You got it, Mec. Did the poster not see the absurd in that statement, or does s/he actually think it’s sorta okay…just keep the numbers manageable?

mary Jean

August 1st, 2012
3:52 pm

Made my support visit to Chick – Fil – A and happy to report the lines were much longer than usual. This political move by the radicals may actually backfire on Obama. No one wants to have an in your face PDA while they are dining with their children. If I were the gay community I would reconsider. As for T-SPLOST – it was to much state wide tax money going to one area – Atlanta. Most south of Atlanta would ever use it. Trust in big government spending programs, even on the state level, is hard to come by in this economic environment. My heart goes out Chick –
Fil – A who last a long time “family” member last week. I never understand why the news media wishes to give ink to idiots and haters like Rose Anne Barr who recently tweeted than she hoped all people that ate at Chick – Fil – A got cancer and died. She also attacked Christians saying that Chick – Fil – A killed chickens for Christ. Rose Ann no one cares about your opinion.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

R. Hollister — “For the poll people, you might as well use one of the two who got the 2008 election right.”

Just FYI, Rasmussen *also* posted the single most *inaccurate* political poll in modern history in 2010. He was *forty points off* in predicting the US Senate race in Hawaii.

Jose

August 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

POLLS DONT MEAN ANYTHING UNLESS THEY REFLECT THE ACTUALL BREAKDOWN OF PREVIOUS VOTES IN THAT DISTRICT

for liberals that means questioning 56% democrats, 40% republicans and 4% independent in a poll doesnt mean anything unless the historical vote of that area reflects that turnout

this could ACCURATELY reflect CALIFORNIA but not so much FLORIDA-OHIO

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

“Did the poster not see the absurd in that statement,”

Looks like josef totally missed the point. Not surprised.

JDW

August 1st, 2012
3:54 pm

Just not a good week for ole Mittens is it…

“NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Mitt Romney’s tax plan would provide large tax cuts to the very wealthy, while increasing the tax burden on the lower and middle classes, according to a study released Wednesday.

The report — produced by researchers at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center — illustrates just how difficult it would be to recoup government revenue lost under Romney’s plan.”

Of course I am sure his plan cuts his taxes. :roll:

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/01/news/economy/romney-tax-plan/index.htm?source=cnn_bin

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:55 pm

“Mitt Romney’s tax plan would provide large tax cuts to the very wealthy”

GREAT! Since it is rich people who create and run companies and all.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:56 pm

JDW

Besides bankrupting the US and running companies out of the US, what is Obama’s alternative to Romney’s plan?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
3:59 pm

Unemployment has been over 8% for Obama’s entire first term.

So WHY would anyone want to vote for a guy who has no idea how economics works?

Oblama

August 1st, 2012
4:00 pm

This so called kiss in is going to BOOST Chick – Fil – A’s sales if it is carried out. I predict also this will cost Obama votes with independents who have this in your face PDA imposed on them simply because they want a chicken sandwich. Most people don’t want to see PDA while they are eating no matter they be gay or straight. There are millions that disagree with “gay” marriage many are Dems and independents. T-SPLOST was a loser before it got out of the gate. It’s a statement against tax and spend more than Repub and Dem.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:01 pm

Bruno — “Joe–As I questioned above, do you really think that protesting at Chik-fil-A is going to change the political landscape for gay folks even one iota??”

One, I’m not “protesting.” Two, you misjudge my objective.

No, I don’t expect that refusing to patronize CFA will change anything. Then again, as my wife says, ‘let’s not give any money to people who hate us or our friends.” It’s really as simple as that.

“If you think about it, their views on gay marriage have been the same for many years.”

I’m sure they have. And I thank Mr. Cathy for admitting that his personal views are the guiding principles for how he runs his business. Now I know not to go there any more.

“Just my opinion, but I think your efforts would be better directed in the political arena. More or less chicken sales isn’t going to change a thing.”

It’s not about changing anything. It’s about not *supporting* his business and being implicitly in support of the groups and causes he funds.

“Awwww, c’mon, Joe. If I could put up with Jay for the past 3 years, you can handle the crowd here. Kyle’s a sweetheart by comparison.”

Given some of your displays at Jay’s, I have to wonder at your motives at wanting me to hang out here. :D

stands for decibels

August 1st, 2012
4:01 pm

Just FYI, Rasmussen *also* posted the single most *inaccurate* political poll in modern history in 2010.

Rassy’s candidate polling is ok so long as you recognize the house effect and subtract about 2-3 points from the GOPer and add it to the Dem.

Rassy’s issue polling is almost always a complete joke–the questions are invariably scripted to elicit a desired response. They’re not real subtle about it either.

and their made-up “Presidential Approval Index” is probably the silliest metric every flogged to the public.

Road Scholar

August 1st, 2012
4:02 pm

Kyle: Thanks for your responses.

With a turnout like this on your thread, are you going to pay Jay to stay away another week? (Tee Hee!) While I don’t agree at times, you do a good job! Keep it up! We need serious discourse on fixing problems…not whining about them.

Gale

August 1st, 2012
4:02 pm

The ChikFilA flap is a tempest in a teapot. The gay community has been aware of Cathey’s view for years. The man has a right to say what he wants and support whatever group he wants, even if that group promotes discrimination. All the hate on both sides of the issue serves no purpose. Soon or late, same sex marriage will be legal. Some people will always think it is wrong. It matters not. All citizens must be treated equally under the law.

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
4:03 pm

Cheesy – when did 30% become a majority?

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
4:03 pm

Some people must like to go to jam-packed restaurants for fast food. Not me. I stayed home and ate a salad. I chopped up a boiled egg and put on it. It was good. It was cheaper than anything comparable from a fast food restaurant.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
4:05 pm

josef, you do know the past history of that particular poster right? ;) If not, I am sure he can invite you to a Starbucks to discuss his intimate relationship with the Cox big wigs (including his meeting there with a friend on a fishing trip) and why nothing is free. :lol:

100% chest pumping, 0% reality and substance….. ;) Which is why he makes unsupported assertions about “lies”.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 1st, 2012
4:08 pm

If this is indicative of the whining and moaning we’re going to hear when Obama loses in November, I’ll just have to take me a vacation.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:09 pm

Tiberius — “when Obama loses in November”

Sorry, just not seeing it.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

BW

August 1st, 2012
4:10 pm

Kyle

It’s so interesting how many of these posters have nothing substantive at all to your blog topic.

BW

August 1st, 2012
4:11 pm

should read “to add”

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:12 pm

GOOD FIGHT

Is that who he is? I thought it sounded familiar… :-)

LOGIC LIB

Do you know the meaning of the word absurd? That was an absurd comparison you made. But, funny, nonetheless…

*******

GALE

Yeah, like gay folks are surprised…! Tempest in a teapot, for sure…

Gale

August 1st, 2012
4:13 pm

The topic, BW? I think Kyle hit the nail on the head. The public does not trust their elected officials enough to give them more money. What’s more to say?

King Roy

August 1st, 2012
4:13 pm

T-SPLOST is DEAD. just like my political career. The King is dead. Big government is going to soon be out of style because the government is out of funds and the printing press is out of ink. People will be relocating out of Atlanta in droves. No more jobs, no more gub’ment checks. Relocate the state capitol to Macon where it will be more centrally located and the entrenched cronies in Atlanta will be out of power. Major changes ahead. Eat More Chicken’!

KatyWatts

August 1st, 2012
4:14 pm

My complete distrust of politicians, both republican and democrat is the number one reason I voted no. Five years down the road, if this vote had passed, they would have found another reason to reallocate the money and there wouldn’t be one damn thing we could do about it. I say TERM LIMITS FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

King Roy

August 1st, 2012
4:19 pm

Mama – Did Mr. Cathy say he hated you? No,,,,,, that is just your opinion and not fact. Then again, you may be an ordained member of the “Thought Police” , a division of Big Brother, Inc.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
4:19 pm

I was on the fence as to whether or not to support t-splost but there is no doubt that people have lost trust in govt. They lost it long ago and rightfully so. Kyle mentions that the govt needs to prioritize road expenditures based on “cost-benefits” analysis. Are you kidding Kyle? You give govt way to much credit if you think they would actually do that. That’s way too much common sense to expect from govt.

In other news I see that in several places including where i used to live in Peachtree Hills down in Buckhead that the chick fil a supporters are lined up around blocks waiting to get served at CFA in their cfa appreciation day. I gotta say I just love to see people standing up for free speech. Take that hatemongers!

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
4:21 pm

Keep: Perhaps, but then again at least profits from any sales they would have from those of us who stay away are not available to go to the offensive causes the company promotes.

Joe: It’s not about changing anything. It’s about not *supporting* his business and being implicitly in support of the groups and causes he funds.

Keep and Joe–As you may or may not be aware, the Cathys have donated millions and millions of dollars over the years to support children’s causes, specifically in support of foster care. Whatever they have donated to “traditional family” causes pales by comparison.

The bottom line is that none of us are perfect. The good that the Cathys have done for the community far, far outweighs any harm. Obviously it’s your choice whether to support their business or not, but I think your confusing the mountain and the molehill.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:21 pm

King Roy — “Mama – Did Mr. Cathy say he hated you? No,,,,,, that is just your opinion and not fact.”

Didn’t say ‘me.’ Said ‘us or our friends.’

DITTO

August 1st, 2012
4:22 pm

Indeed I agree – no ore big spending programs until the government reduces the debt .. and TERM LIMITS for ALL.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:22 pm

“Do you know the meaning of the word absurd? That was an absurd comparison you made. But, funny, nonetheless”

1: What was absurd about it?
2: Glad I can make you laugh.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
4:23 pm

why nothing is free.

You guessed wrong. NIF was a different poster, a little more substantive in thought. NIF used to post on the old W2W blog using a different name. Think Tennessee and father at Iwo Jima…..

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:24 pm

“If not, I am sure he can invite you to a Starbucks to discuss his intimate relationship with the Cox big wigs (including his meeting there with a friend on a fishing trip) and why nothing is free.”

You must have me mixed up with one of the voices in your head, Keep.

Jean

August 1st, 2012
4:24 pm

Interesting analysis, Kyle. Now can you correct all the “Tea Party Win” stuff in the AJC? Lots of us voted against the T-Splost for reasons that have nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
4:25 pm

Then again, as my wife says, ‘let’s not give any money to people who hate us or our friends.”

More mischaracterization. Its not about hate Joe. Its simply that Mr. Cathy believes in the traditional definition of marriage due to his religious beliefs. Trying to say that its about hate is just more dishonesty from the left.

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:25 pm

Of course the antis are lining up at CFA…it’s avout the only place they can support a supporter…po ole gay folks and their friends have got too many places to go to be able to all line up in one place…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:26 pm

“Sorry, just not seeing it.”

As Bookman once famously wrote: Pats by 3.

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:26 pm

THULSA

It may not exactly be “hate,” but it sho ain’t love neither…juss sayin….

King Roy

August 1st, 2012
4:26 pm

Isn’t ME part of us? You must agree or you wouldn’t have brought it up. Not agreeing on something doesn’t mean we hate you. We don’t. I don’t believe in “gay” marriage. That is basically what Mr. Cathy said. He didn’t say “gays” weren’t welcome. He said they were.

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:28 pm

“You must have me mixed up with one of the voices in your head, Keep.”

KEEP:

Don’t worry…he’s just upset that the voices are talking to and not him! :-)

Atlantan

August 1st, 2012
4:28 pm

Frankly it is simple a 9% sales tax in the city of Atlanta is way too high! Heck 8% makes me choke at times – especially with big purchases. I’m willing to support this type of program when it is better thought out and our sewers are paid.

Real Scootter

August 1st, 2012
4:29 pm

It’s so interesting how many of these posters have nothing substantive at all to your blog topic.

And what did you add that was substantive?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:29 pm

“It may not exactly be “hate,” but it sho ain’t love neither…juss sayin….”

So? Can other folks not have differing beliefs than you, josef?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:30 pm

“And what did you add that was substantive?”

GAZING!!!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 1st, 2012
4:30 pm

Bruno, we’ll have to disagree on that one. But he can keep trying to wow us, lol. ;)

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:30 pm

Bruno — “Keep and Joe–As you may or may not be aware, the Cathys have donated millions and millions of dollars over the years to support children’s causes, specifically in support of foster care. Whatever they have donated to “traditional family” causes pales by comparison.”

I’m aware of that, and that assessment is your opinion, to which you are certainly entitled. I respectfully disagree.

“The bottom line is that none of us are perfect. The good that the Cathys have done for the community far, far outweighs any harm.”

Not to be contentious, but I believe that was the gist of the Roman Catholic Church’s defense to their broad child-molesting scandal, wasn’t it?

Respectfully, I don’t think it’s your place to decide for others whether the harm done rises to some sort of metaphysical standard of ‘greater than the good done.’ I recognize that the harm done has very limited importance to and impact upon you, but as one who is hardly or not even affected, I submit that you’re not in a position to judge that level of harm for those who *are* impacted by it.

Wrong is wrong, and the sort of moral calculus you’re engaging in is troubling to me. It’s certainly your right and choice to decide and proceed therefrom, but I personally can’t dismiss the wrong by papering over it with some right done by the same people.

“Obviously it’s your choice whether to support their business or not”

Thank you for that. And I mean that sincerely.

“but I think your confusing the mountain and the molehill.”

Frankly, I think you’re making a bigger deal out of it than I am. I’m not aiming to harm the Cathy family business or to dissuade others from dining there. I’m not actively protesting or demanding that others join me in my boycott. I’m simply troubled by CFA’s corporate stance, and while they maintain it, my wife and I have determined that we cannot in good conscience patronize CFA (and we had heretofore been regular customers). It’s really as simple as that.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:31 pm

josef

You’re probably the ONLY rational person from Bookman’s blog. The others, not so much.

Gale

August 1st, 2012
4:31 pm

Saw a funny tweet today; something about the ChikFilA “appreciation being so successful, they are considering saying they don’t like the Irish next. :)

King Roy

August 1st, 2012
4:31 pm

If you want to stay home then go ahead and pout. That’s your choice. Won’t bother me the least if you go or stay away. You are the loser. T_SPLOST is a product of the King Roy empire and dead just like my career. Got to big for my britches and the voters put me in my place.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:32 pm

“It may not exactly be “hate,” but it sho ain’t love neither…juss sayin….”

Amen

Their money and their business so they have that right. I find it odd that if one looks into some of the orgs the Cathys / Chickfila donates too, it surely is not about love for sure.

Again, they have the right and others have the right not to go. Simple as that.

There are conservative organizations that boycott corporations and encourage people not to do business with them. So not sure why people are upset that some people have decided not to go to Chickfila.

As long as it is done within the law, I am good with boycotts and people making choices.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:32 pm

“but I believe that was the gist of the Roman Catholic Church’s defense to their broad child-molesting scandal”

Cathy, no Chicfila, has engaged in child molestation and for you to lump them in with the Catholic Church is absurd.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

Doom — “More mischaracterization. Its not about hate Joe. Its simply that Mr. Cathy believes in the traditional definition of marriage due to his religious beliefs. Trying to say that its about hate is just more dishonesty from the left.”

Well, you are certainly welcome to try to persuade me to your way of thinking, but IMO you’re going about it all wrong if you’re going to use words like “mischaracterization” and “dishonesty.”

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

“I find it odd that if one looks into some of the orgs the Cathys / Chickfila donates too, it surely is not about love for sure.”

Oh please tell us the “hate” those organizations spread.

pogo

August 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

josef is always reasonable. Don’t ever lump him in with the geta bunch. We need more like him on both sides.

Peadawg

August 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

“The bottom line is that none of us are perfect. The good that the Cathys have done for the community far, far outweighs any harm.”

You must be a Joe Paterno/Penn State fan. Just sayin….

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:34 pm

“josef

You’re probably the ONLY rational person from Bookman’s blog. The others, not so much.”

This from a blogger who has been put on probation here, booted there.

hahahahaha

Speaking of “rational”, that would not be what anyone on these blogs says about you.

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:34 pm

LOGIC

What was absurd about it? Absurd is when the basic statement is true, but it makes the opposite point of what it is you are contending…

And, for the love of G-d, Mec, who said I didn’t think somebody could have different beliefs than me…? I just want mine sanctioned into civil law, too…you didn’t see my earlier post about your shlong, the mohel and a minyan?

Hey, it’s been traditional and required for club membership for nigh onto 4000 years, now…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

” Don’t ever lump him in with the geta bunch. ”

I don’t and haven’t. The other folks are just downright insane. I remember a few of them that tried to hack other bloggers computers and steal info and reveal IP addresses.

pogo

August 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

josef is one of the only reasonable ones. Don’t ever lump him in with the geta bunch. We need more like him on both sides.

Peadawg

August 1st, 2012
4:35 pm

“(and we had heretofore been regular customers)”

So why the sudden outrage? That’s what I still don’t understand. None of this is actual new news.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:36 pm

“Absurd is when the basic statement is true, but it makes the opposite point of what it is you are contending”

What is absurd about saying Muslims kill homosexuals in the Middle East? It’s true.

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
4:36 pm

Let’ see if I’ve got this correct.

We’re talking about a fast food joint that serves tasteless, overpriced, unhealthy cr@pfood.

And now you cons are going to eat even MORE of it?

Talk about doubling down on the dumb. (I’ll have four sausage burritos and can you super-size those waffle fries? And a Giant Diet Coke, please.)

Might as well stuff yourselves, they’ll only throw it away.

Thank goodness you’ll all have Obamacare to take care of your massive waistlines and impending medical woes…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:36 pm

“Absurd is when the basic statement is true, but it makes the opposite point of what it is you are contending”

Only to you I guess.

King Roy

August 1st, 2012
4:37 pm

Gale – Funny but Mr. Cathy never said he didn’t like “gays” – just doesn’t support or believe in the concept of “gay” marriage. Can’t you understand?

Del

August 1st, 2012
4:37 pm

I agree that the Democrats may be shooting themselves in the foot over this CFA issue and now by including homosexual marriage in their plank. Those Democrat politicians in Boston, Chicago and San Francisco along with so called kiss in activists at Chick-fil-A restaurants will turn off a lot of voters. The left should have simply acknowledged Cathy’s right to express his opinion and only stated that they wouldn’t do business with CFL because of it. An activist agenda will only galvanize Evangelicals to vote along with swaying more Independents to vote for Romney. It could even hurt Obama with the Black and Hispanic vote as many are strong Christian believers.

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
4:37 pm

Bruno, we’ll have to disagree on that one. But he can keep trying to wow us, lol.

I’d agree with WOW, but not NIF.

Frankly, I think you’re making a bigger deal out of it than I am.

Actually, I’m not making any deal out of it at all. I typically patronize Chik-fil-A about 2-3 times per year. and will continue doing the same.

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
4:37 pm

As Bookman once famously wrote: Pats by 3.

hmmm…is Bookman stealing my material too

Kasim Smiff

August 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

No MARTA money! :cry: No GUB’MENT union jobs! :cry: No political Quid pro quo! :cry: No graft, no corruption, no kick-back! :cry: No backroom Nathan deals! :cry:

Kiss my T-SPLAT losers. :lol:

Just Say No to New Taxes

August 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

Repaying the money RoyTheCrook diverted from Ga 400 tolls to Atlantic Station access roads would be a start in earning the public’s trust, as it now stands I would just as soon burn all current and former politicians at the stake as look into their little beady eyes, imho! Prosecuting Roy for his crimes would go a long way in earning my trust!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

“We’re talking about a fast food joint that serves tasteless, overpriced, unhealthy cr@pfood.”

Chicfila gets the highest ratings from Eat this, not that and many other sources. It got an A + from Zagat.

Keep trying, ZamVet.

“And now you cons are going to eat even MORE of it?”

Like I said, left wingers are so full of hate.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

King Roy — “Isn’t ME part of us?”

‘Us or our friends’ in the context in which I used it is my wife + myself, or our friends. If Cathy hates our friends, then we need not be included.

This may help you to understand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra

“You must agree or you wouldn’t have brought it up. Not agreeing on something doesn’t mean we hate you. We don’t.”

I’m not so much concerned with the “we” in your construction as I am with Mr. Cathy himself.

“I don’t believe in “gay” marriage. That is basically what Mr. Cathy said. He didn’t say “gays” weren’t welcome. He said they were.”

I don’t believe I commented on whether or not they were welcome. That’s really beside the point as far as I’m concerned.

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

Hell, all that flattery,…I must not be doing something right! :-)

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:38 pm

Logic

Did I say “hate”? NO, YOU DID. That is the problem with you. You either call names and put words into people’s mouths than wonder why you are pouting from the outside looking in when banned or placed on probation.

So address my posts as they are written or pass me by.

You were called out your 1st day back. Learn to be an adult

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:40 pm

” You either call names and put words into people’s mouths than wonder why you are pouting from the outside looking in when banned or placed on probation.”

I haven’t called anyone names, Peach. Again with the lies.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

Logic — “Cathy, no Chicfila, has engaged in child molestation and for you to lump them in with the Catholic Church is absurd.”

You pretty clearly need to reread Bruno’s post and my reply again, because I did no such thing.

If it’s still not clear to you upon rereading, then I will certainly clarify for you if you ask politely.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

JamVet called Cathy an idiot the other day. Well, looks like that “idiot” is making a lot of money today.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:42 pm

“You pretty clearly need to reread Bruno’s post and my reply again, because I did no such thing.”

You brought up the Catholic Church when it has NOTHING to do with Chicfila. I was dead on with my statement.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:44 pm

Kyle

You can delete my post that is in moderation. Has too many links.

Thanks

Bubba Burger

August 1st, 2012
4:44 pm

Maybe you should have your taste buds checked. Chick – Fil – A, according to a poll done by Consumer’s Reports, was the TOP fast food chain favored by their subscribers….. #1 in cleanliness, #1 in service, #1 in food quality and taste.

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:44 pm

LOGIC LIB

“Absurd is when the basic statement is true, but it makes the opposite point of what it is you are contending”

What is absurd about saying Muslims kill homosexuals in the Middle East? It’s true.

*********

There’s nothing absurd in that…it’s the truth as you say…but then when you follow it with “Christians not so much…” You’ve entered into the real of the absurd….

It’s hardly a defense of Christians….

Not, mind you, that I lump all Christians or Muslims into the same category with their least decent members…

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
4:44 pm

“I don’t believe in “gay” marriage. That is basically what Mr. Cathy said. He didn’t say “gays” weren’t welcome. He said they were.”

No it’s not..at least to my recollection, he said he is in support of traditional marriage…I don’t believe he ever mentioned the “G” word

Old Timer

August 1st, 2012
4:44 pm

that is an astonishing number, considering how few of these voters are affected in any real way by this 50 cent toll.

Translation: I’m OK with those N. Fulton people getting shafted, so long as it’s not me getting taxed an extra $250 per year to use a road when everybody else in GA is getting roads built without tolls.

I’ve seen you use this kind of argument before, Stands, and your argument grates like a pebble in a shoe. I don’t ever want to see you moan piously about injustices done to others when you’re so willing to ignore injustices done to fellow citizens.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:45 pm

“but then when you follow it with “Christians not so much…”

Ok, so please point to all the killings of gays by Christians, josef.

@@

August 1st, 2012
4:45 pm

josef:

You know I likes ‘ya…just not as much as before. Why?

You didn’t defend my right to free speech next door.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

Logic: you asked, so shall ye recieve

Go look up the Family Research Council. Chickfila through their nonprofit Winshape donates to them.

I will get you started

“…one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets’ of a new sexual order.” – “Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys,” FRC publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

JHM see my 4:44

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

Where is the love?

Same-sex ‘marriage’ threatens not only the integrity of the marital definition but also religious freedom.” – http://www.frc.org/fampol/fp96bhs.html

Steve-USA

August 1st, 2012
4:47 pm

Peasdawg – “The bottom line is that none of us are perfect. The good that the Cathys have done for the community far, far outweighs any harm.”

You must be a Joe Paterno/Penn State fan. Just sayin….

*********************************************************************************
Yeah…..because they are so similar.

Absurd Post of the Day….We have a winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:47 pm

“Go look up the Family Research Council. Chickfila through their nonprofit Winshape donates to them.”

I’m not seeing “the hate,” Peach. You guys/gals on the left are always quick to scream HATE and RACISM at the drop of a hat.

Keep trying.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:47 pm

Logic

Where you able to find where I said the Cathy’s or Chickfila “hated” anyone as you asserted?

Don’t be a liar, You posted it

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:47 pm

Peadawg — “So why the sudden outrage?”

If anyone’s engaged in “sudden outrage,” I’d say its the people who are bum-rushing the CFA drive-throughs and the people who are doing the PDAs outside the restaurants.

I haven’t called Mr. Cathy any names, haven’t wished any misfortune upon him or his company, I posted the sad news about the death in his company last week and expressed my sympathies and I’ve wished several posters enjoyable meals at CFA. So I’m not sure where you’re seeing “outrage” on my part. My wife and I simply stopped going to CFA. That’s all.

“That’s what I still don’t understand.”

I’ve explained this to you more than once, but I’ll do it again. So long as Mr. Cathy’s views stayed his own, I was willing to overlook them in the hope and belief that he wasn’t translating them into action with his business. However, when he made it clear that his personal principles were the *guiding* principles for his business and that the business *acted* on them (specifically, supporting groups that are working to deny gay couples their civil rights), that was it for me.

Cathy’s views haven’t been a secret. The fact that he ran his business in accordance with them — including supporting groups trying to infringe others’ civil rights — were. Now they’re not.

“None of this is actual new news.”

Admittedly, it may be a fine distinction, but it is a distinction nonetheless.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:48 pm

“Same-sex ‘marriage’ threatens not only the integrity of the marital definition but also religious freedom.”

Yep, it does.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet USAF)

August 1st, 2012
4:48 pm

Bottom line is that CFA employs black, white, brown, straight, gay or bi-sexual types. They serve with respect all above listed types also. Their business has the most respectful, polite, professional young people in the industry! Free speech is the issue here and the left is once again on the wrong side! How could the good people of Chicago elect such an idiot as Rahm? I guess money can buy an elected office in some places!

Stephenson Billings

August 1st, 2012
4:49 pm

“No, those in gwinnett were also 1% of every dollar. The sales tax rate goes up by 1% for the time period specified, then it returns to the old rate (unless more was added in the interim).”

Oh, so Gwinnett’s “real” sales tax is only 5%? Every receipt I get has a sales tax of 6%.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:49 pm

Bruno — “Actually, I’m not making any deal out of it at all.”

As regards my position, I think you are. You may of course, disagree with that. :)

USMC

August 1st, 2012
4:50 pm

“Interesting analysis, Kyle. Now can you correct all the “Tea Party Win” stuff in the AJC? Lots of us voted against the T-Splost for reasons that have nothing to do with the Tea Party.”–Jean

Thank You Jean! What a joke the mainstream media is!

It was NOT a Tea Party “victory”. Voters had many different reasons, but I think it came down to “What have the politicians done with what they already have?” Right people?

The city of Atlanta can’t even synchronize the traffic lights and MARTA absolutely sucks.

So message to politicians:
Show responsibility with what you already have…
THEN let’s talk about BILLION DOLLAR projects.
Case Closed. :-)

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
4:50 pm

Logic

Again, you LIED as usual and asserted that I said the Cathys hated people

Where is that post?

You are a known liar, name calling and someone who puts words in others mouths to make it seem they said something they didn’t.

It wont be long

tick, tick, tick

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
4:51 pm

“Well, you are certainly welcome to try to persuade me to your way of thinking,”

No chance of that Joe. You’ve got your mind already made up and I’ld have a better chance of getting a tick off a hound than convincing you. Your wife’s statement says or at the very least strongly suggests that Mr. Cathy’s view is based on hate. Is that something you can prove? You can’t peer into his mind or heart and prove that.

Christians aren’t taught to “hate” gays just because they are gay but rather that their lifestyle is in conflict with biblical scripture. Love the sinner. Hate the sin. To simply chalk it up as hate for no other reason than that you simply decided it to be so is a very weak argument. Seems to me that most of the real judgementalism and the real hate lies with people who simply decide to throw out the hate mantra against religious people who view homosexuality as being in conflict with their religious beliefs.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:51 pm

“Again, you LIED as usual and asserted that I said the Cathys hated people”

?

“You are a known liar, name calling and someone who puts words in others mouths to make it seem they said something they didn’t.”

Then again, I never called anyone a name, Peach. Keep trying.

Miss Know it All

August 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

No need to slander some one’s food quality just because you disagree with their beliefs. T-SPLOST had it’s seeds hatched before Nathan Deal came in to office. Atlanta can ta themselves if they want it – I want better schools more than T-SPLOST and that’s where I want my ta money sent.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

Logic — “You brought up the Catholic Church when it has NOTHING to do with Chicfila.”

Bruno brought up the notion of the good that CFA has done outweighing the bad. I pointed out that the Catholic Church tried the same argument in several of the child molestation trials of priests. Given that the RCC has done *far* more good than CFA could ever hope to do, I don’t think CFA’s use of that argument draws much water.

“I was dead on with my statement.”

No, you were pretty far off base, but think whatever you want.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:52 pm

Whenever conservatives disagree with Obama, the left cries racism.

Whenever conservatives vote against gay marriage, the left cries hate speech.

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
4:53 pm

Like I said, left wingers are so full of hate.

Says the serially banned sock puppet of many names who is incapable of stopping himself from his childish antics and incessant need for negative attention. His very other post is some variation of ,”HEY EVERYBODY, LOOK AT ME!”

“Learn to be an adult.”

Word.

Sooner of later, Kyle is going to get absolutely sick of this guy and send him permanently to the blogging land of nod, to the east of Eden…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:53 pm

“I pointed out that the Catholic Church tried the same argument in several of the child molestation trials of priests.”

And I pointed out, twice now, that that has nothing to do with Chicfila.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
4:53 pm

josef,

Look on the bright side. The gays always have the coolest and hippest bars to go to and will always have the Christians beat in that regard. Backstreet and Club Anytime come to mind when I think of my running days years back.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
4:54 pm

If Chick-A-fila appreciation day has JamVet all foamy, then it was a total success!

Eat mor chiken!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

“Says the serially banned sock puppet”

More personal attacks.

“Kyle is going to get absolutely sick of this guy and send him permanently to the blogging land of nod”

Only if I break his rules. Otherwise, not gonna happen.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

That was the first time in my life that I heard chicken was bad for you, by the way.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
4:55 pm

E. Cat — “JHM see my 4:44″

I see it, but I’m not sure what comment you’re looking for from me. That was matter that I quoted from King Roy. Those weren’t my words.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:56 pm

“If Chick-A-fila appreciation day has JamVet all foamy, then it was a total success!”

Yep, and the more he name calls and throws out personal attacks, the more we see.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
4:56 pm

Peadawg — “So why the sudden outrage?”

People get outraged on the blog? Say it aint so.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
4:57 pm

So, am I supposed to boycott every business that believes in REDEFINING marriage???

NO! I can respectfully disagree with the owners’ opinion/politics and still frequent the business.

Grow up people. :-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:57 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…

I always love it when ZamVet tries to act “holier than thou” and yet whenever I venture over to Bookman’s blog, I notice that he constantly calls other people names etc.

josef

August 1st, 2012
4:58 pm

@ @

When? I keep going to your defense there…every chance I get…! You’re one of my heroes…for real…

THULSA, et al

I would posit that preaching damnation to hell fire eternal a pretty nasty attitude…and NO, not all Christians do it and not all brands preach it…but a lot, including Cathy’s do…jus trying to keep it in perspective…

ERWIN’S CAT

Not to draw to thin of a line here, but there is the whole “code word for” thing at work here, so the Cajun two-step with the term “traditional marriage” is, imauo, parsing a bit too Bookmanishly…

Madge From Accounting

August 1st, 2012
4:58 pm

I keep noticing that you never back any of your claims up with links/facts yet you continue to divert away.

IOW – “I know you are, but what am I?”

A PeeWee Herman Moment………..

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
4:59 pm

Madge From Accounting = name changer. Peach? getalife? Keep?

JDW

August 1st, 2012
4:59 pm

@”Logic”…

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
5:00 pm

Well, I’m out for a while. Have fun, folks!

Tom(Independent Viet Vet USAF)

August 1st, 2012
5:00 pm

Joe Mama@4:47 – I’m curious, what groups does his business support that tries to infringe on others civil rights? Maybe I’m incorrect but wasn’t it the lame-stream media that coerced the statement from Mr Cathey? This is the first statement about relationships I’ve ever heard from the CFA family! Sorry to hear about you not wanting to visit CFA anymore but that is your right, I respect that. Are you taking your business to Popeye’s or Church’s now? They are all good for me, and I do not care about their personal views, just provide good serve with respect!!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

“@”Logic””

OH DARN!!!!! You got me with all those sophomoric emoticons!!!!!

Guinivere

August 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

I’m a member of Lesbians for Chick – Fil – A…… no problem with them or their opinion. Stay home if you wish but not me. Not going to let the “kiss in ” radicals control me because I am an independent woman that actually has brain enough to think for myself.. I do my kissing respectfully in private where it belongs.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

Doom — “Your wife’s statement says or at the very least strongly suggests that Mr. Cathy’s view is based on hate. Is that something you can prove? You can’t peer into his mind or heart and prove that.”

Well, I can’t peer into the hearts and minds of the people who were trying to deny African-Americans their civir rights back in the 50s and 60s, but given the firehosings, the dogs, the church bombings and the beatings, I feel pretty safe in defining attempts to infringe upon a group’s civil rights as hatred for the members of that group.

You are, of course, free to disagree with that definition.

“Christians aren’t taught to “hate” gays just because they are gay but rather that their lifestyle is in conflict with biblical scripture. Love the sinner. Hate the sin.”

Do you think that infringing on the civil rights of gay Americans falls under loving the sinners or under hating their sin? :D

“To simply chalk it up as hate for no other reason than that you simply decided it to be so is a very weak argument.”

Dude, *you yourself* just made half of your position about hate. Love sinners, hate sin. :D

“Seems to me that most of the real judgementalism and the real hate lies with people who simply decide to throw out the hate mantra against religious people who view homosexuality as being in conflict with their religious beliefs.”

Believing it is one thing. Donating large sums to groups who are trying to deny civil rights to people is quite another thing,

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
5:01 pm

Joe…sorry, my bad…sometimes it’s hard to tell who is quoting who…

I’m just trying to point out that Cathy said he supported traditional marriage…so I’m not sure where all the anti this and anti that comes from

pogo

August 1st, 2012
5:04 pm

sorry about the duplication. Having computer and connectivity problems and I am typing on two machines. You ain’t that damned good josef!

As for T-Slpost, the losers in my region voted it in. Most of my regions denizens are so dependent upon government dollars for either their jobs or their entitlement checks they will vote for any tax increase that comes by just to keep the free money coming in. They think this was free for them but they were fooled. This one will cost them just like everybody else for everything they buy (except food because many of them are on foodstamps).

For far too many Americans the mental association between tax increase and free entitlement money has become way too predominant. That association is exactly what the democrats have fostered and nutured for decades and that Obama continues to nuture and they have been pretty much successful. The problem is, the money has ran out and the taxes are not coming in because there are no jobs or industry or any hopes of these things. America has come to the sorry state wherein it is now eating itself because of it’s deficit and the entitlement minded political philosophy of the liberal democrats. They can tax the rich to maintain current spending levels (not to pay down the deficit, just to maintain entitlements) but that won’t even make a dent in the deficit and anybody that says it will is a liar, including Obama (who is a liar). After that, there isn’t much left to try but out and out government confiscation of personnal and corporate property and assets and that would only sustain the entitlement beast for a ver, very small while at current spending levels. A couple of years at most and after that, there is nothing left but revolution and anarchy.

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 1st, 2012
5:05 pm

Let me get this straight.

Chick serves gay chickens, or doesn’t. And how do you tell. Is he against serving gay chickens and is that what this is about. Or is it that he does serve gay chickens.

the red herring

August 1st, 2012
5:05 pm

raise the gas tax and especially the tax on diesel to pay for road improvements. raise the tag and licensing fees on large trucks also. the damage to our highways and roads are coming from heavy trucks and overloaded trucks. 100s of cars could travel a section of paved road for a 100 years without damaging it but a heavy (overloaded) truck will break up the paving and crush it within 5 years—don’t think so? just look at intersections that are traveled by these trucks regularly or go to counties where industries such as mining are large parts of the economies—those counties roads get messed up within a few years of being resurfaced. still it is almost a moot point as the truck companies will raise their rates and the price of goods they haul will be raised to pay for it so in the end it all comes back to the consumer/taxpayer. T Splost like the splosts for education would never die. let marta/mass transit pay it’s own way or close it–it’s a classic example of you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it swim…. AJC should show or list the counties in georgia where tsplost passed—everybody doesn’t live in atlanta. kyle–good thoughts.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:05 pm

GODFATHER RAUM EMANUAL UNDER FIRE FOR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CHICK-FIL-A…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/aug/1/picket-chicago-gop-file-human-rights-complaint-aga/

What a fool! LOL!

Barrak Obama and Chik-fil-a held the SAME EXACT opinion on the idea of so called “same sex” marriage when Dear Leader Obama entered office before Obama “EVOLVED”. Hilarious! :-)

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
5:05 pm

josef I get that…sorta…I don’t really see it, but as sensitive to it as…others

so if Cathy came out in support of gay marriage, would you consider that code for “against” traditional marriage?

Bookmanishly…LOL

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:07 pm

What I find so funny in all this is that mine and Unmentionable’s relationship is about as traditional as you can get…

35 + years forsaking all others til death do us part, raised three wonderful kids, tonight doing the monthly “you put HOW much on that card this month,” pillow talk is more often”you need to mow the yard” than whispering of sweet nothings…

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:07 pm

Keep fighting the Strawman (Chik-fil-a), Dems…

Meanwhile, Obama Supporters Barraged With Pleas for Cash…
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/obama-supporters-barraged-with-pleas-for-cash/

tick tock, tick tock…

Pee Wee Herman

August 1st, 2012
5:07 pm

Why has my name been brought in conjunction with this Chick – Fil – A subject. Leave mo OUT – one stupid thing in my life was enough and I am reformed. No kiss in for me.

Rose

August 1st, 2012
5:08 pm

Just the sheer number of comment pages on this blog alone tells you how most people feel about TSPLOST. And you don’t have to be a member of the Tea Party, the Sierra Club or any club to have an opinion about something. As I live in Fulton, I’m already paying, along with Dekalb, for Grady and MARTA. Enough for me.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
5:09 pm

USMC

How is that Electoral College looking for you?

hahahahahaha

:-)

All that talk will mean NADA on election day

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
5:10 pm

E. Cat — “Joe…sorry, my bad…sometimes it’s hard to tell who is quoting who…”

No worries. :)

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:11 pm

Josef @ 5:07

Brother, I love you, but you left out the most important, key ingredients that make up a marriage…
One Man and One Woman. :-)

Is the idea of a civil union so bad???

Pee Wee Herman

August 1st, 2012
5:12 pm

T-SPLOST? I have a Hyundai. Don’t agree with those stretching to compare homosexuality to race. One is a behavior and the other isn’t. There is no honest comparison though I understand your dishonest attempt top make it so. Personally – I have no room for hate in m heart.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:13 pm

CAT

What you say, as you said, I get sorta ( :-) )….I don’t much like the term “gay marriage” myself…marriage suits me just fine, and like I said above, when it comes to describing ours, we’re about as “traditional” as you can get…

Del

August 1st, 2012
5:14 pm

Doom,

You’re correct in your 4:51. The left goes on offense against anyone or any group of people who disagree with their position on issues. The majority of Christians disagree with same sex marriage based on religious beliefs but the left brands those who disagree with same sex marriage as bigots including Christians like Dan Cathy. This issue has gone on the ballot in 28 states and in each state same sex marriage was voted down. In the handful of states where it’s recognized, it was pushed through without a vote by activist politicians. I guess from the lefts viewpoint most Americans or at least half are all bigots.

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
5:15 pm

josef I was at least hoping yours was more exciting than most considering the amount of attention the subject gets….I guessed everyone else thought you were having too much fun :D

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
5:17 pm

Tom — tried to respond to you twice, but the Intertubes swallowed my posts.

In short: check Wikipedia, Biblical Recorder and we’re going to Popeye’s.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:17 pm

USMC

Okay, Mec, one mo time…marriage is a religiously sanctioned thingie and some theologies are not so limited in their definitions of what is and what is not…civil unions are another matter entirely. As Granddaddy said, “marriages are made in heaven. Civil unions are made at the Court House.” The State has no place in the marriage business, it has every interest in the civil union business. Make it a civil union license bureau and require the same document for any paring which wants state sanction. The European model…

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
5:18 pm

14th amendment

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:18 pm

“I would posit that preaching damnation to hell fire eternal a pretty nasty attitude…and NO, not all Christians do it and not all brands preach it…but a lot, including Cathy’s do…jus trying to keep it in perspective…”

josef,

I feel ya josef but keep in mind that that eternal damnation that they preach doesn”t just mean gays. It means liars, pornographers, fornicators, etc. Its quite a long line. I would be just as damned if not more than you given the fornicatin I’ve done. The reality is that I’m in the same boat for the similar sins of the flesh as any gay and so are many other heterosexuals. But I don’t believe in the concept of any eternal hell where everyone is burning in perpetuity anyway. IMDO this is not what the bible says in regards to hell.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
5:21 pm

Del

Many issues in the history of this nation required the courts.

Should we go through them all. No, but here are two.

Suffrage
Civil Rights

Wouldn’t have need the those “political activists” if the neanderthals had done the right thing, uh?

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:22 pm

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
5:24 pm

Bruno brought up the notion of the good that CFA has done outweighing the bad. I pointed out that the Catholic Church tried the same argument in several of the child molestation trials of priests. Given that the RCC has done *far* more good than CFA could ever hope to do, I don’t think CFA’s use of that argument draws much water.

Sorry, Joe, have to side with the others here. Comparing the Cathy’s support for “traditional marriage” with the Catholic Church’s willful tolerance of crimes against children is a bit over the top. Most importantly, none of the organizations which the Cathy’s support wrote or enacted any of the “traditional marriage” laws. Those laws began hundreds of years ago, and have only recently been challenged. You’re comparing apples and sour grapes, Joe.

BTW, since Obama has also vocally supported DOMA in the past, did that change your support him?? Or did you simply look at the “big picture” and decide that the “good” outweighed the “bad” in making your political choice??

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:24 pm

Josef@5:17

Okay Josef, Touche (as usual), but we just disagree.

BUT, I don’t HATE you or any other HOMOSEXUALS merely because I believe that the definition of marriage should not change from ONE Man and ONE Woman.
(nor do I believe in trying to “rescue” homosexuals as Michele “smoking hot corndog eater” Bachmann does) :-)

Skip

August 1st, 2012
5:24 pm

It’s great that that whole jobs thing is over so you can spend 10 pages on a chicken sandwich. And some wonder why the country struggles.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
5:25 pm

Thulsa Doom @ 5:18

Good points, but to say that some expressing those views bring up the other things you mentoned slightly less than gays, would be an understatement.

Seems may are more in the condemnation of others business, but aren’t to harsh on themselves. At least on the blogs. Not all, but some seem to get down right self righteous when it comes to gays and how their “religion” views it, but not much about their own “sins”, if you will.

ank

August 1st, 2012
5:26 pm

Kyle, i dont often agree with your columns, but i have to give you credit on this one. I think that you nail it on the head. Trust seems to me to be a major player here.

What i would ask you, and all these bloggers, is the following: what percentage of people on this site voted for Sonny (TWICE!), Deal (once), Cagle (TWICE), and the list of republican dominated state offices, including both house and state senate.

I would guess >80%, including just blindly marking a straight republican ticket. Why, because of the R?

Karma bites, doesn’t it.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:27 pm

THULSA

Ah, but so many of them have jumping on gays have “evolved” on those others, you know, like divorce and remarriage! They got ‘em one of the Bookman’s Get out of Leviticus Free Cards… :-)

As for the fire and brimstone hell, it’s Zoroasterian, not even Jewish, much less Christian! :-)

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:29 pm

“Well, I can’t peer into the hearts and minds of the people who were trying to deny African-Americans their civir rights back in the 50s and 60s, but given the firehosings, the dogs, the church bombings and the beatings, I feel pretty safe in defining attempts to infringe upon a group’s civil rights as hatred for the members of that group.”

Joe mama,

The big difference here is that you clearly delineated a variety of *actions* such as bombings, attack dogs, etc. which very clearly showed these people’s hatred of blacks. You can show no such thing regarding Mr. Cathy. All you have with him is an opinion based upon his religious views. Big difference between that and bombings, attack dogs, etc. I’m surprised you can’t see that.

“Do you think that infringing on the civil rights of gay Americans falls under loving the sinners or under hating their sin?”

Rejected. Mr. Cathy is not infringing upon anyone’s civil rights. He is simply stating his opinion. When he refused to serve gays then you would have a case. As of now you do not. And just because you think its a *civil rights* issue does not make it so. That is just your opinion.

“Believing it is one thing. Donating large sums to groups who are trying to deny civil rights to people is quite another thing,”

Again regarding the *civil rights* issue. That is just your opinion and your decision to frame gay marriage as a *civil rights* issue. It does not make it so.

One thing I find interesting is that when California rejected gay marriage in exit polling the groups that most adamantly opposed gay marriage and who carried the day were blacks and to a lesser extent latinos. I believe blacks opposed it 60-40 or more and that proved to be the difference. Perhaps your time would be better spent educating minorities on their *hate* problem vs focusing on Mr. Cathy. Or is that just more of the selective outrage of white liberals?

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:30 pm

USMC

One man and one woman? So, no divorce and remarriage? Or is it just one at a time? Have as many as you want, just keep the paperwork in line? :-)

md

August 1st, 2012
5:31 pm

” And sensible analysis shows that the return to prior rates will not have adverse consequences for that small group (2 million people) and will raise revenues. ”

Does that sensible anaysis show an economy backing up?

And Joe Mama:

Yes, Obama has “evolved” (so he says), but when he made that statement I read of no Mayors telling him to stay out of their cities……did you?

Bruno

August 1st, 2012
5:31 pm

The State has no place in the marriage business, it has every interest in the civil union business. Make it a civil union license bureau and require the same document for any paring which wants state sanction.

josef–Since most people (to my knowledge) are fine with civil unions, why isn’t there more of a push to re-frame the issue in this way from the gay “side” of the issue. Seems like semantics keep getting in the way of what you’re really after–the same benefits that heterosexual couples enjoy.

Beverly Fraud

August 1st, 2012
5:33 pm

But…but…but…who wouldn’t trust Kasim Reed after all he did to help Beverly Hall remain in power after the cheating scandal?

I mean after showing SUCH unparalleled integrity by supporting Hall, how could voters NOT trust him?

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 1st, 2012
5:33 pm

One party criminalizes thought and regulates speech.

Fix this problem in November.

Vote American. Vote Republican. Pardon the redundancy.

Del

August 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

“Wouldn’t have need the those “political activists” if the neanderthals had done the right thing, uh?”

With over half the states in the union passing laws or amendments banning same sex marriage it’s only the highest court that can legalize it as the law of the land. Because there’s no constitutional basis for making same sex marriage the law of the land it will remain a state legislative issue or an issue for the voters in each state to decide. Good luck living among the neanderthals, we’ll outlive you.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

Bruno — “Sorry, Joe, have to side with the others here. Comparing the Cathy’s support for “traditional marriage” with the Catholic Church’s willful tolerance of crimes against children is a bit over the top.”

Except that’s not what I did. *You* brought up the notion of the good CFA has done outweighing the bad; I simply pointed out that using the selfsame argument didn’t help the RCC. Claiming that I’m making that comparison is a clear misrepresentation of what I said.

“Most importantly, none of the organizations which the Cathy’s support wrote or enacted any of the “traditional marriage” laws.”

But they *have* gotten involved in court cases about them. I tried to post the CFA Wiki page; if you go there and look at the section entitled “Controversy regarding LGBT issues,” that section *begins* with a discussion of a CFA-supported group that filed an amicus brief in the Prop 8 case in California.

“Those laws began hundreds of years ago, and have only recently been challenged. You’re comparing apples and sour grapes, Joe.”

Prop 8 began hundreds of years ago? Come now. You’re leaping to a lot of conclusions here, Bruno.

“BTW, since Obama has also vocally supported DOMA in the past, did that change your support him?? Or did you simply look at the “big picture” and decide that the “good” outweighed the “bad” in making your political choice??”

I’ve said several times that Obama wasn’t my first choice, and I’ve criticized him several times on Jay’s blog. If you’re looking for me to excuse him, then you’re looking in the wrong place. And if you’re looking for me to criticize him, I’ll certainly do it. That said, if you’re anticipating that I’ll switch parties based on that (and I’m not saying that’s your objective), then show me a Republican Presidential candidate who will clearly state that he’s opposed to DOMA and wants to do away with it. Then we’ll have something to talk about.

Otherwise, the GOP’s got no high ground on this issue from where I stand, Obama may be an abject disappointment to many liberals in this regard, but the GOP is unlikely in the extreme to have anything better from our POV.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:35 pm

BTW

Al’s cuddin’ Gore Vidal died…RIP, you old fraud…

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:35 pm

josef,

No doubt. There lies an incredible amount of Christian heterosexual hypocrisy on the issue of hetero marriage and divorce alone. I think that the only time divorce is suitable in the bible is in the event of divorce and some other allowances such as severe abuse but that’s about it.

As for the issue of an eternal hell don’t get me started. I was agnostic for many years because I had a difficult time reconciling a loving God with the idea that he would let sinners who didn’t make it into heaven burn into writhing hellfire for all of eternity for the sins of one meager lifetime. Especially when Jesus paid for all the sins of the world in only 1 day of suffering. I like Scout’s views and others but we would go round and round on this subject all day long.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
5:35 pm

Why is will robme not in jail for not paying taxes for 10 years?

10 years should get 10 years in a federal penitentiary.

Arrest will robme.

Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American

August 1st, 2012
5:35 pm

Homosexuals have the same right to marry as anyone else. They just can’t pervert the meaning of the word by pretending that it’s possible to marry someone of the same sex.

Real Americans know what marriage is.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
5:36 pm

“nor do I believe in trying to “rescue” homosexuals as Michele “smoking hot corndog eater” Bachmann does) ”

That is the technique she employs when her husband needs an extra hand or mouth at the cure the gays clinic he operates.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:38 pm

“Seems may are more in the condemnation of others business, but aren’t to harsh on themselves.’

Eat a peach,

As 2 pastors told me the biggest hypocrites in the world are usually some of the people sitting in the front pew at church. And from Doomy’s own personal experience the biggest ho I ever knew was the most church going girl I ever knew.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
5:38 pm

Doom — “The big difference here is that you clearly delineated a variety of *actions* such as bombings, attack dogs, etc. which very clearly showed these people’s hatred of blacks. You can show no such thing regarding Mr. Cathy. All you have with him is an opinion based upon his religious views. Big difference between that and bombings, attack dogs, etc. I’m surprised you can’t see that.”

Because Cathy *funds* groups who take action against gays. I’m surprised you can’t see that.

“Rejected. Mr. Cathy is not infringing upon anyone’s civil rights.”

Denied. He’s funding those who are trying to do it.

“He is simply stating his opinion.”

No, he’s clarified that his opinion is also his *company’s* opinion.

“When he refused to serve gays then you would have a case. As of now you do not.”

Rejected. You don’t get to decide my opinion on this, Doom.

“And just because you think its a *civil rights* issue does not make it so. That is just your opinion.”

And I’m not asking you to share it, Doom. I’m surprised you can’t see that.

“Again regarding the *civil rights* issue. That is just your opinion and your decision to frame gay marriage as a *civil rights* issue. It does not make it so.”

Persuasion, Doom. Give it a try.

“One thing I find interesting is that when California rejected gay marriage in exit polling the groups that most adamantly opposed gay marriage and who carried the day were blacks and to a lesser extent latinos. I believe blacks opposed it 60-40 or more and that proved to be the difference. Perhaps your time would be better spent educating minorities on their *hate* problem vs focusing on Mr. Cathy. Or is that just more of the selective outrage of white liberals?”

No, it’s just your ham-handed attempt at race-baiting, Doom. :D

getalife

August 1st, 2012
5:38 pm

I don’t care what you do with your junk, I care about willard hiding his papers.

Eat a Peack

August 1st, 2012
5:39 pm

Del

Nice side step on those “political activist” judges.

Must be heart wrenching for you that they would ban legal segregation, allow people to vote, etc.

Thanks for reply.

hahahahaha

:-)

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
5:39 pm

md — “And Joe Mama: Yes, Obama has “evolved” (so he says), but when he made that statement I read of no Mayors telling him to stay out of their cities……did you?”

Don’t know. What kind of food does Obamarama serve? :D

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:40 pm

BRUNO

I would agree with that. The problem is so long as we keep calling it a marriage license and a marriage license bureau, we’re trapped into a “separate but (not quite) equal” argument…once we get to the point of requiring the same document and registration of civil union for one and all in state recognition, we can go full tilt boogie into the is too-is not nyanh nyanh over what “marriage” is…

getalife

August 1st, 2012
5:41 pm

Real American will not vote gop for another collapse.

It will take a decade to clean up their last collapse.

Joe Mama

August 1st, 2012
5:41 pm

Everyone, be well and drive safely. I’m out.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
5:41 pm

josef- Try to keep the sickening details to yourself. I cannot even imagine!

ew

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:41 pm

“Yes, Obama has “evolved” (so he says), but when he made that statement I read of no Mayors telling him to stay out of their cities……did you?”

md,

Its that selective outrage thing again with white liberals.

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
5:42 pm

Thusla Doom

I hear you. If those same bloggers were calling out their own “sins”, they might have some credibility whether I agreed with them or not.

Since they don’t, I can only laugh at them. Oh well, it certainly isn’t the majority so that is a good thing.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:42 pm

Joe Mama,

We’ll see you tomorrow. Welcome to Kyles.

pogo

August 1st, 2012
5:43 pm

Political Correctness is the storm bringer for the new Orwellian state that is our world. Free speech has been trampled upon by it and companies and the government now conduct their business based upon it. Ultimately, even the people that were so in love with it will despise it because what it will finally deliver to them will be total control of both their minds AND their bodies by “The State”. Without Freedom of Speech, freedom is gone forever and we are now about there. But beware for all of those that are so enamoured of PC. What is considered to be Political Correctness today may be totally different tomorrow dependent upon what kind of leader/dictator you have. That leader could very well be a fascist, a communist, a socialist, a marxist, a religious fundamentalist or any number of other un-pleasant psycho leaders. But when laws are passed based upon present day political or socialogical whims it is hard to undo them.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:44 pm

“One man and one woman? So, no divorce and remarriage? Or is it just one at a time? Have as many as you want, just keep the paperwork in line?”–Josef

I couldn’t have said it better myself, josef. :-)

I don’t get the “no divorce and remarriage” part.
Is that supposed to change the definition of marriage?
I don’t see how.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
5:44 pm

Another friendly reminder to our cons friends.

You will be the minority one day so stop discrimination or it will happen to you.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:45 pm

“If those same bloggers were calling out their own “sins”, they might have some credibility whether I agreed with them or not.”

Eat a peach,

If it made you feel better about some of us conservative critics/hypocrites I would start by calling out my own sins. But who the hell wants to hear that boring litany of crap for days on end about Doomy’s lasciviousness. Besides the girls would just say EWWWW! and be driven from the blog outta pure disgust.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:45 pm

THULSA

I’ve always been kinda partial to the Catholic purgatory… :-)

When I was in Catholic school, the priest teaching religion (remember that Rolly Hosiery didn’t discriminate in admission practices so we had a large Jewish and Protestant component who were in separate religion classes) explained it to us as : “it means you better be nice to everyone you meet so you’ve got more friends to pray you out!” :-)

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
5:46 pm

getalife

Not sure how unreal of an American an individual is because they vote GOP. I would probably disagree on numerous issues with a good percentage of them, but they are real Americans.

Those words make you appear to be basically the same as some of the right leaning bloggers at Bookman’s and here at Kyle’s place.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:46 pm

“You will be the minority one day so stop discrimination or it will happen to you.”

Who is discriminating, Getalife???

By your definition, everyone discriminates. Maybe you are right.

‘Pass the duche from the lefthand side…’
:-)

MiltonMan

August 1st, 2012
5:48 pm

Elephant ears Reed sure looked like a big loser last night.

We love to see him run on the state level and get buried like the Tunisian basketball team the other night.

jj

August 1st, 2012
5:48 pm

Save the State 200k and fire gena evans and her cronies. She created this mess with the toll road extension lie and the lexus lanes.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:48 pm

Just because someone disagrees with Homosexuality, doesn’t mean they HATE Homosexuals.
Get over it, people. :-)

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:48 pm

USMC

One man, one woman… not one man five women…or one woman five men…you just gettin snicky on the one at a time thingie…? Of course, you could do like the Newt and make b*stids out of your own spawn, eh? Gotta make sure the paperwork is in line… :-)

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
5:50 pm

Thulsa Doom

Thanks for the reply. Just saying some seem to get very adamant about that particular “sin”.

End of the day, unless they are fighting and suppressing their own urges and feelings, I’m not sure how it impacts their daily life.

One thing to say I am against it, another to pump it up as if they were somehow being impacted in a negative manner. Again, it doesn’t appear to be the majority, so that is a great thing.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:51 pm

Joe mama,

We’ll see you tomorrow but in the meantime try to come up with a more reasoned response to the comparison you made between Mr. Cathy and the hate groups of the 60s with their bombings, attack dogs, fire hoses, etc. Your answer on the subjective is non-responsive.

As for your last comment on race baiting that is also non-responsive. Your retort does not address the selective outrage of white liberals such as yourself. Please address the selective outrage head on as opposed to dodging it with a deflection to something about race baiting.

DawgDad

August 1st, 2012
5:51 pm

“For my part, here’s what I think the voters were saying in their 63-37 defeat of the $7.2 billion tax.

The political class has lost our trust.”

Kyle, this strikes me as a TERRIBLY BAD mis-read of the vote. I live in Cherokee, a heavily (exclusively???) Republican/Libertarian County. We voted 79-21 against. Would we vote out the current regime? NO!!! We re-elected incumbents Chip Rogers and Phil Gingrey, among others.

It is certainly true we do not inherently “trust” government. There have to be checks and balances in the system. We understand and embrace our uniquely American Constitutional principles and values underlying its creation. We have not “lost trust” in the political class; our distrust is the SAME general distrust framed into the Constitution by our Founding Fathers.

Kyle, your comments quite frankly reflect what I would expect in leftist talking points. You should understand this. Shame on you.

MiltonMan

August 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

“Another friendly reminder to our cons friends.

You will be the minority one day so stop discrimination or it will happen to you.”

Can’t wait either clown. Preferred hiring – sign me up

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2012
5:54 pm

First, create a truly regional (if not state-run) governance structure for mass transit in metro Atlanta that incorporates MARTA and the other transit agencies

For the mass transit part Kyle, here is my thoughts and desires.

First, DUMP MARTA COMPLETELY! Second create a truly Statewide public-private passenger rail service using existing rail infrastructure with to include use of shuttle services from previous existing agencies consolidated as one state agency minus the MARTA board and all the gub’ment unionized workers formerly employed by local county transit authorities. Third, more usage of flex-car services.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:54 pm

WHINER

What “sickening details” are you talking about? Your fevered little imagination is working overtime, Mec. All’s the “details” I gave were just how traditional mine and Unmentionable’s relationship is…and you find THAT sickening….hmmmm…now I’m REALLY beginning to wonder… :-)

md

August 1st, 2012
5:54 pm

“Thank goodness you’ll all have Obamacare to take care of your massive waistlines and impending medical woes…”

Ever thought that some would eat more of that kind of stuff BECAUSE they now have to buy insurance??

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
5:54 pm

It’s already happening, gitmo. Our “president” discriminates against success and he hates whitey. Unless, of course, whitey goes on food stamps. And likes queers.

Matz

August 1st, 2012
5:55 pm

What’s not to trust? We need to LEARN from our state officials! It’s time for Gov. Shady to start giving money-management seminars!

My sources tell me he’s out of the $4mil personal financial hole he was in when he was elected CEO of our fine state! All that in ONE term, on just $135K per year! WELL DONE, SIR! Now… rent us one of those nice conference rooms over at the motel off I-85, and print up some little packets. We’ll bring our sharpened pencils and open minds. Time to share that knowledge with the citizenry! (Invite that Dave Ramsey loser, too!)

MiltonMan

August 1st, 2012
5:56 pm

“Would we vote out the current regime? NO!!! We re-elected incumbents Chip Rogers and Phil Gingrey, among others.”

and good thing you did – Beach is nothing more than a crooked wannabe. He supported keeping the 400 toll & supported the T-SPLOST. The guy has now lost a local election in Alpharetta & now a multi-county election. Hopefully, this is the last we have heard from this clown.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
5:56 pm

josef

Make that three. We already have two “suspects”.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:56 pm

PEACH

“End of the day, unless they are fighting and suppressing their own urges and feelings, I’m not sure how it impacts their daily life.”

Yep…

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
5:58 pm

“Unless, of course, whitey goes on food stamps. And likes queers.”

Bigot much?

Bet you were on a 1st name basis with Ken Melhman, Larry Craig, Mark Foley and the gang over at the “Log Cabin” Republican organization.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
5:58 pm

josef- two guys lying together in a bed???????

Really man, think of yourself only.

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 1st, 2012
5:58 pm

Marriage should be between a couple and their pastor. It’s basically and foremost a religious issue.

josef

August 1st, 2012
5:58 pm

BOTH

I’m thinking of opening a bar catering to them…looks lucrative… :-)

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
5:58 pm

” Just saying some seem to get very adamant about that particular “sin”.”

Eat a peach,

Here is what I see as happening and the way Christians are possibly viewing things. I think many Christians when they look at our society they see a loss of moral values starting with Roe v Wade in 73. The moral decay then continues with the legalizing and explosion of porn in our society to the degree that we see it today. Its everywhere. And then of course as we’ve talked about the rampant divorce rate, out of wedlock birth rate, the open promiscuity and sexual revolution of the 60s through today, etc.

I’m guessing that when some Christians see this overall incredible decline in morality nationwide they look fair or unfairly at the legalization of gay marriage as being the last straw in the fight to keep us a moral nation and in the good grace of God. Fair or unfair that’s just the way I think some Christians out there are viewing this and I know a few that openly draw parallels between the moral decline of our society vis a vis Soddom and Gomorrah. Gay marriage is only one component of that supposed decline but I think some Christians may view it as the final straw in our decline. Not the only straw of course but just the final one.

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 1st, 2012
5:59 pm

And spending money should be decided by the legislature. Not put to the public for a vote.

USMC

August 1st, 2012
5:59 pm

Ground Control to Major Kyle…. Ground Control to Major Kyle…

iggy

August 1st, 2012
6:00 pm

Chick fil A Canton Ga. The drive thru line, excluding the autos already in the parking lot, was 44 deep. Backed up to the 575 exit ramp.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:00 pm

josef

Make it “exclusive” so only they know and can count on no one telling because most will still be going home to the “family”

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:01 pm

josef

My bad……… “traditional family and values”

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:01 pm

they both suck,

Larry Craig body language->

Tap….tap tap tap…..tappety tap….tap tap tap.

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:02 pm

Ok, so please point to all the killings of gays by Christians, josef.

I’m not josef, and based on your debating style, I doubt that you’ll look into this, but it does happen in this world. It may not garner the headlines, or happen enough to make the news, but there are cases.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/28/world/africa/28uganda.html

As the most outspoken gay rights advocate in Uganda, a country where homophobia is so severe that Parliament is considering a bill to execute gay people, Mr. Kato had received a stream of death threats, his friends said. A few months ago, a Ugandan newspaper ran an antigay diatribe with Mr. Kato’s picture on the front page under a banner urging, “Hang Them.”

On Wednesday afternoon, Mr. Kato was beaten to death with a hammer in his rough-and-tumble neighborhood. Police officials were quick to chalk up the motive to robbery, but members of the small and increasingly besieged gay community in Uganda suspect otherwise.

But Uganda seems to be on the front lines of this battle. Conservative Christian groups that espouse antigay beliefs have made great headway in this country and wield considerable influence. Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity, James Nsaba Buturo, who describes himself as a devout Christian, has said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:02 pm

If the islamoloonies found out about your behavior, they would push a brick wall over on top of you and your sicko boyfriend. The liberals love the islamoloonies. I simply request that you do not discuss what you do with your sicko boyfriend. I am the hated enemy.

How sick is all of this?

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:02 pm

WHINER

You’ve never lain in a bed with a member of the same sex? Silly boy…of course, what YOU were probably doing there with him? Well, you’re right…eeeewww…disgusting! :-)

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:04 pm

TD

What’s up?

haha

:-)

md

August 1st, 2012
6:05 pm

“Don’t know. What kind of food does Obamarama serve?”

Nice sidestep there Joe…..as for the food, last I checked the chicken sandwich had no opinion either.

My point, and I really don’t care if gays marry, is the hypocrisy from the left on this particular issue. If they are going to condemn folks for stating a particular belief, they need to do it for those on their “side” that do it as well………

Matz

August 1st, 2012
6:05 pm

Presuming to tell other adults whom they are allowed to marry and how you feel about their desire to marry (as if anyone gives a rat’s fuzzy) is akin to me telling you when and how you should take a dump, what you should be reading while you do so, how to clean yourself afterward, and how I feel about imagining you do it.

Ewww. Nosy people are gross.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:06 pm

josef

You can name it “Down Lows”……… “Closet Capers”

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:06 pm

BROSEPHUS

Thanks for doing the post…I was trying to boil it down vis a vis Uganda, but you did far better than I could have…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:06 pm

Matz – Do you often describe in public what happens when you take a dump?

pogo

August 1st, 2012
6:07 pm

Another term to beware of is the much touted term “diversity”. For those that preach this progressive political gospel it only applies to those “special” groups it ordains as deserving it. For those that the “judges” on the left deem as not to be worthy of this special umbrella, because they disagree with them on a political or religious basis (or their race) they are not to be included and are in fact to be considered the enemy. Anytime that any group is considered deemed “special” by politicians it ultimately means that even worse inequality will ensue and the society will suffer.

Also, whenever politicans enter a freedom of speech issue such as those in Chicago, New York and Philadelphia have pertaining to CFA, everyone, gay, straight, black, white or anything else should be very, very concerned. They are essentially selling out free speech in return for votes and they are diminishing our freedom as a society.

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
6:08 pm

All you people still standing in line for your overpriced chicken sandwich for lunch need to get back to work.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:08 pm

they both suck,

So if josef opens a gay bar we gonna head up there after midnight? You know that if its anything like backstreet then all the hotties including the dancers are gonna be there late night- prime hunting ground.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2012
6:08 pm

“Another friendly reminder to our cons friends.

You will be the minority one day so stop discrimination or it will happen to you.”

Perhaps you libs should have thought about that kind of political reality 140 years ago.

Suck it up losers and enjoy the next 130 of your minority years!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:09 pm

Larry Craig should be the hero of the left but obviously, they hate everybody. A guy that calls himself a Republican and then goes and assaults other men in a public restroom, soliciting all sorts of sicko, deviant, filthy behaviors. Priceless. One of them.

But yet they hate him.

Weird, isn’t it?

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:09 pm

TD

I’m good with who I am and I know you are, we are there

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:09 pm

WHINER

Yep…and if you and your type ever got that kind of theocratic power, you’d do the same. Your posts would translate nicely into Arabic or Persian…

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:10 pm

josef

Reading the conversation, I figured that was the direction you were headed. One of those, “out of sight, out of mind” type things.

md

August 1st, 2012
6:11 pm

“One man, one woman… not one man five women…or one woman five men…you just gettin snicky on the one at a time thingie…? ”

And to me, with 16 trillion in debt, this is the bigger issue. Once that line is crossed (and it has been), where does precedent allow for a new line to stop??

SS didn’t plan on families with 22 spouses………

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:11 pm

“Why is will robme not in jail for not paying taxes for 10 years?”

Go arrest him, getalife. Go oh, I dare you. I double DOG dare you.

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

BOTH

Yeah, Closet Capers, the perfect name! :-)

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

I report

Who is they? and when did “they” say they “hate” Craig?

You sure know a lot about what people said, even if they didn’t say it.

You need a brain or a clue. Probably the later, but you will have to turn your brain on to achieve the other.

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

Ask yourselves this question, junkfood junkies.

When is the Chicken Shack gonna have a Customer/Rube Appreciation Day?

Where YOU, the gullible, get a discount on their overpriced slop?

PT Barnum was right. LOL at you suckers.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

Our economy is the pits, even the stock market, spoonfed obozobucks as it is, will collapse.

The dummycrats adopt a queer platform to their agenda.

Are you stupid too?

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

Brocephus,

What up man? Fooball season right around the corner- Roll Tide.

Don’t mean to but in on your conversation but in response to gay persecution no one does it better than the Iranians. A few times a year they regularly hang known gays for being gay. Usually they hang a couple of adulterers- always women of course, a thief or 2, a couple of Jews for whatever reason but do they really need a reason to hang a Jew in Iran?, and I think last time 4 gays for being gay. They brutal brutal they are.

Matz

August 1st, 2012
6:12 pm

Report/Whine,

There’s reading, and there’s comprehending what you just read. Please try to work on that second one, mmm-kay? I’ll bet your Mommy would like some help setting the table now, as your dinner’s almost ready. That’s a good boy.

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
6:13 pm

Yep…and if you and your type ever got that kind of theocratic power, you’d do the same. Your posts would translate nicely into Arabic or Persian…

Whiner translates to Khomeini in Persian. Just sayin’

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:13 pm

josef

At minimum, you can count on 3 regulars that we know of and you know they have “friends”…….

hahahahahaha

:-)

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:13 pm

I report,

Our President crushed aq and got obl.

Not much love there .

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:14 pm

“Our “president” discriminates against success and he hates whitey.”

I wonder if he hates his white half?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:14 pm

Oh yeah, josef, if my neighbor likes to get it on with livestock, I should welcome the addition to my view with open arms, uh-huh.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

Bro

What’s up my man? Hope all is well with you and yours

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

md

Unmentionable says that the anti gay marriage folks would get a lot more traction if they hit it from the cost to SS for survivor’s benefits,,,, :-)

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:16 pm

gitmo – The ME is ate up with al Qaeda surrogates. The muslim brotherhood rules.

You consider this a victory?

iggy

August 1st, 2012
6:16 pm

“All you people still standing in line for your overpriced chicken sandwich for lunch need to get back to work.”

LOL!!

Vet, my chicken sammys are delicious, you should try one and quit being such a big crybaby.

“Waaahhh waahhh, mommy, they wont agree with me, waaahh”.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:17 pm

“Where YOU, the gullible, get a discount on their overpriced slop?”

If you think Chickfila is overpriced then you must be a very poor person. Chicfila is no more overpriced than anything else out there. Same price as Wendys etc. Then again, if you think it’s overpriced then you’ve obviously never eaten there.

Since you think it’s “slop” then you must have the worst taste in food. I’ve never heard a single person say that their food is slop.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:17 pm

JamVet,

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The sandwich is good. Its the waffle fries and the cole slaw that suck. Overpriced? Yeah. I would have to agree on that. But I will say though that their ice cream cones are dang good. I just won’t go out of my way to get one is all. Besides- Doomy gettin fat.

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:17 pm

WHINER

Man, your mind is a regular porno shop…! :-)

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:18 pm

obozo called his white grandmother a typical “white person.”

I’m just gonna leave it at that, thanks!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:18 pm

“Our economy is the pits, even the stock market, spoonfed obozobucks as it is, will collapse.”

The left wingers aren’t smart, are they.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:18 pm

“Its the waffle fries and the cole slaw that suck.”

Their waffle fries are awesome.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

Victor Hill in runoff for Clayton County Sheriff. LMAO!! The citizens of Clayton County are just plain stupid.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

“Since you think it’s “slop” then you must have the worst taste in food. I’ve never heard a single person say that their food is slop.”

Where are the Thulsas and Freds?

Both who defending Chicfila but have said they are basically no fans of their food.

Fred had the best posts about it

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

“Our President crushed aq and got obl.”

Since Obama has never shot a gun or been in the armed forces, I’d have to call you a liar for that statement.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

“Waaahhh waahhh, mommy, they wont agree with me, waaahh”.

I’ll second that guys order just so you can have another… “Waaahhh waahhh, mommy, they wont agree with me, waaahh”, moment brucie wilcox

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

TD

Beat me to it

Thanks

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:20 pm

I apologize, I really shouldn’t quote obozo, the mental defective.

My bad.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:20 pm

Dow is at 13,000 and your job creators are doing better than ever so where are the jobs?

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:20 pm

josef,

Just make sure the bar is amenable to hot late night women and me and TBS will be there. It’ll be like bringing the gazelles to the lions. Or in my case maybe bringin them to a hyena.

Matz

August 1st, 2012
6:21 pm

Haters… please DO enjoy your meal! Heck, life is short. Please eat quickly so you can get an extra sandwich down before you feel full, and then enjoy dessert!

http://caloriecount.about.com/chick-fil-nutrition-m38

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:21 pm

Logic

I’m not a “single” person, but their food is slop…no need for me to boycott…don’t eat it anyway…bleeeah!

G Mare

August 1st, 2012
6:21 pm

ANK@5:26, I am a left leaning, progressive, liberal. I voted No on tsplost & No on allowing the state to take over the charter schools decisions. I have NEVER voted for any of the politicians you listed – just to set the record straight.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!

@@

August 1st, 2012
6:21 pm

josef:

When? Does this ring a bell?

“______________, I don’t think I could’ve shown the restraint you did.”

Don’t know if all these accounts are legit, but if so, it’s no way to win friends and influence people.

“Canadian Court: Marriage officials must marry homosexuals”
January 10, 2011
“The Saskatchewan Court of Appeal declared this morning that proposed legislative amendments that would have allowed Saskatchewan’s marriage commissioners to refuse to perform same-sex ‘marriages’ on religious grounds are unconstitutional.”

“Army: court-martial Chaplains for ‘religious, conscience’ objection to homosexuality”
March 24, 2011
“The U.S. Army has officially threatened military chaplains they must either embrace the new openly homosexual military, resign from service, or face court-martial for their ‘religious, conscience’ objections.”

“Tory MP calls for churches to be banned from holding marriages if they refuse gay couples”
PinkNews, September 2, 2011

“Lesbian couple mulls action against Christian wedding cake baker”
November 16, 2011
“An Iowa baker who politely declined to provide a wedding cake for two lesbians based on her Christian values may face legal action from the couple.”

“Gay rights activist calls for boycott of Salvation Army Christmas fundraiser”
November 28, 2011
“Gay rights activists who object to the Salvation Army’s biblical stance on homosexuality are launching their annual call to shut down the organization’s Christmas fundraiser.”

“Case of counseling student forced to undergo pro-homosexual ‘sensitivity training’ goes to court”
December 2, 2011
“After losing at a lower court, a counseling student at a public university in Georgia who was threatened with expulsion because she expressed discomfort with counseling homosexuals, is pleading her case before an Appeals Court this week.”

“Macy’s fires woman for refusing ‘transgender’ man access to women’s fitting room”
December 8, 2011
“A woman has been fired from a Macy’s department store for denying a man dressed as a woman access to the women’s fitting room. ‘I had to either comply with Macy’s or comply with God,’ said Natalie Johnson.”

“A New Jersey judge ruled against a Christian retreat house that refused to allow a same-sex civil union ceremony to be conducted on its premises, ruling the Constitution allows ‘some intrusion into religious freedom to balance other important societal goals’.”
January 12, 2012

“Amsterdam chief rabbi suspended for gay stance”
January 18, 2012

You and I have discussed this, josef. Couples like you and Unmentionable should be leading the way, not letting aggressive activists define who you are. It hurts your cause more than helps it.

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:22 pm

BOTH, THULSA

Okay, but remember, Y’ALL have to claim you’re really gay! :-)

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:22 pm

I report,

Yes our President won the no fly zone mission in Libya .

@@

August 1st, 2012
6:23 pm

Oops! Third paragraph should not be in slanties.

Don’t know if all these accounts are legit, but if so, it’s no way to win friends and influence people.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:24 pm

they both suck,

I defend Mr. Cathy’s right to free speech. As for CFA I don’t really care for their food but that’s just me. The only thing I resent is people like Joe Mama insisting its all about hate. Its just gotta be about hate in his opinion. Can’t be about anything else. Why can the man not get it through his head that Mr. Cathy and many others I suspect simply don’t agree with gay marriage due to their religious views and leave it at that?

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

Doomy, how much do they charge for those sandwiches? $5 or more?

For what iggy and the guppies spend there every year there, I bought a nice grill and plenty of real food to cook on it.

But then these are the people who think McDonalds is also great, Budweiser is the king of beers and that foul cola is the real thing.

But it’s all OK by me.

In this country it is perfectly legal to be dumb and EASILY manipulated by the liberals on Madison Avenue and in Hollywood…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

gitmo- You were the first to blubber when Cheney built the air force that obozo used to put down the scraggly, rat infested Libyan army.

al Qaeda thanks you.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

josef

Well if the late night brings in some of the “shoe show”dancers like Back Streets did, it will work itself out. I’m getting old, use to bring my own

;-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

“I’m not a “single” person, but their food is slop”

To you and other angry libs, sure. To the rest of us, it’s great.

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:26 pm

@ @

I hope you don’t think that “restraint” was in reference to YOU…if so, please, please understand it was not at all your direction, but others…if I caught you in the broad sweep, I sincerely apologize…next time I’ll be more judicious in doing that…

Favor…would you link me the Dutch rabbi one if you have it close at hand…

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:26 pm

“You were the first to blubber when Cheney built the air force”

What years did he do this?

@@

August 1st, 2012
6:26 pm

Victor Hill in runoff for Clayton County Sheriff. LMAO!! The citizens of Clayton County are just plain stupid.

I’m offended.

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:27 pm

Doom

You know I’ve been preparing the bunker for the season. I’m kinda nervous about my alma mater though with this Crowell thing. I hope that guy stays out of West Montgomery.

Re persecution, check that NY Times article I linked. They specified Northern Nigeria, which is Muslim controlled area, with Boko Haram regulating Taliban-style. I think people would be surprised if they knew which nationalities were running through Northern Nigeria. Thanks to Exxon/Mobil and Shell, our two countries are deadbolted to each other.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:28 pm

” how much do they charge for those sandwiches? $5 or more?”

$2.50, JamVet. Real expensive, huh.

“Budweiser is the king of beers ”

Bud hasn’t been the “king” in a very long time. Maybe you should take a marketing class.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:28 pm

I guess nobody is still watching the Olympics. Day one all the libs were nattering on and on. Day two, the still nattered but it was much more subdued nattering. Day three or whatever day it is for this colossal waste of money and energy, they seem to have fallen silent.

You came around to my side, didn’t ya?

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:28 pm

I report,

cheney?

Where in the heck did they find a match for his heart?

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:28 pm

I report: facts are not your friend

I guess you mean when he was Sec of Defense for Bush Sr

Cheney’s most immediate issue as Secretary of Defense was the Department of Defense budget. Cheney deemed it appropriate to cut the budget and downsize the military, following President Ronald Reagan’s peacetime defense buildup at the height of the Cold War.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:29 pm

“The only thing I resent is people like Joe Mama insisting its all about hate.”

When mayors/aldermann try to curb free speech…

Yeah, where did anyone get that idea from?

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
6:29 pm

Our President crushed aq and got obl.

And the GOP chickenhawks are HIGHLY upset about that!

They wish OBL was still alive. Because that makes Barry look as bad as their beloved George.

That hate this prez – and pretty much all non-Republicans – much more than they love this country or support the troops.

But that ain’t exactly news, is it?

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
6:29 pm

Can’t even get a good beer with lunch at Chick-Fil-A. What good is that.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:29 pm

“Yes our President won the no fly zone mission in Libya .”

??????????????????????????????????????????????

Jenn

August 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

Oh, good grief. Stop with the party politics already. This isn’t about a one party system, Republicans or Democrats, it’s about almost every single one of our politicians, of either party, being complete crooks. They’re all crooks. We’ve lost our trust, because they are all crooks, and it has nothing to do with party. Atlanta is mostly Dem, there is blatant nepotism and graft among political leaders, and our politicians squander our money for all the world to see . The rest of the state is largely Republican, and the same can be said for those politicians as well. Two different groups of corrupt, self-interested politicians, both doing the same thing. Stop trying to divide people, and keep the focus on the politicans and officials, all of them, no matter what party, who have abused our trust.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

Stifle yourself, suck, you don’t even contribute with all this incessant babbling.

Go hang out at whackerman schulz’s webpage, would ya?

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:31 pm

josef,

I won’t tell em I’m gay. I’ll just let them assume it while they imbibe ever more. It lowers their defenses, rendering them helpless and vulnerable. Standard modus operandi when it comes to chasing women in a gay bar.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:31 pm

“And the GOP chickenhawks are HIGHLY upset about that!”

If you think Obama got Osama, then you obviously have a hatred for our US forces.

“They wish OBL was still alive.”

Not meant to be a factual statement.

“much more than they love this country or support the troops.”

More hate from our beloved JamVet.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:31 pm

I report,

When have you been right about anything?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:31 pm

“When have you been right about anything?”

Oh the irony.

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:32 pm

@ @

How do you stop the lunatic fringes of any group? The GOP can’t do it, the Christians can’t do it, the Democrats can’t do it, the Native Americans can’t do it…etc. The best we can do is to “lead” by example…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:33 pm

As much as al Qaeda still makes the news, helping Syria nowadays, I was kinda wondering if OBL might still be alive.

Just sayin…

Del

August 1st, 2012
6:33 pm

It’s likely that many homosexuals perhaps even the majority would prefer being straight. It seems that political correctness could be an impediment for finding a possible cure for those who would rather be living life as a heterosexual. Homosexuality may very well be a curable emotional disorder that with focused research could produce a cure for many. There have been reports that some homosexuals have been able to change their sexual persuasion and gain an attraction for the opposite sex. The left may be doing a disservice to many by its attempts to make homosexuality a normally accepted lifestyle.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:33 pm

“How do you stop the lunatic fringes of any group? ”

Give them a Coke and a smile.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:34 pm

” I was kinda wondering if OBL might still be alive.”

OBL was more of an Occupy Wall Street kind of guy.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:34 pm

obl is dead.

GM is alive.

Buy Chevy.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
6:35 pm

Ya. Amvet has a little hibatchi grill, pats out potted meat burgers then sits downs what he thinks is an upscale dinner.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2012
6:35 pm

But then these are the people who think McDonalds is also great, Budweiser is the king of beers and that foul cola is the real thing.

Never touch the stuff and I eat Chick-fil-a most often than not when it infuriates wack-jobs like you and that bigoted 1st amendment violating kook in Chicago who is threatening to use the powers of a city government to silence a man’s speech and religious views by retaliating against his business.

BADA BING

August 1st, 2012
6:35 pm

SPOILER alert, don’t read if you don’t want today’s results

Chik Fil A WINS GOLD

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:35 pm

Del- Excellent commentary. It goes beyond whether these freaks like women or not, what they do like is disgusting their fellow human beings.

Their fifteen minutes of fame, sicko style.

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

They BOTH

All’s well here. Thought I’d peek in for a while and laugh at the numptiness that is prevalent on AJC blogs. :)

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

The Games are rocking, as always.

I know they could never be as scintillating as a Cubs game, Andy, but they are a close second!

$2.50?

No wonder they suck!

Is that for the soybean or the sawdust sandwich?

Too funny…

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

Remember when w cut and ran from Tora Bora to occupy Iraq?

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

Remember when w said the economy is fine and then it collapsed.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

Why else would people eat bugs on TV? They are worthless and need to distinguish themselves somehow.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

GM is alive.

Buy Chevy.

WHEN HELL FREEZES!

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

Bro

I hope for Crowell’s sake that he gets himself straighten out. Not just for football but long term regarding his life.

Being from Columbus, I know the area he grew up in. Easy to find trouble 24/7 if you want it. Big college scene didn’t offer him trouble opportunities, he brought trouble from C-town.

When he chose the Dawgs over AU and Bama, a good friend of mine who still lives in Columbus told me he doubted he would make it because it was already know he had a propensity for being a “bad boy”.

I wish him the best and hopefully he can turn it around.

raven5

August 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

Gvt Deal has made the right decisions on both account. He is not willing to revisit or charging Gas and Hotel/Motel taxes to fund this transportation. Some body is really looking at the real problem for all of Georgia tax payers. Before we enter 2013, I would like all Counties Commissioners stop thinking about “self”, friends, etc., and look at how we are permitting our cities to become “slums”, vacant strip-malls, drawing in all types of things! It has been really sicken to me that we can try and fund big projects off the back of poor citizens of Georgia but leave out old unimportant one’s off of the radar. When you talk about mass-transportation for all of Georgia……..no stones or any particular cities needs to be left out of the arena. Wherever it starts if agreed on, it should stop at all major cities with some inbound transportatons to get where all riders needs to get. When you focus on one major particular city, you lose out on other cities. It is greed when you want to make all of the revenue from a project that needs to have all counties input. Really, did you think we were going to fall for this TSPLOST? There were no clear beginning or ending! Nothing was concrete to us as to how all of the “unting was going to begin” rather, it only sited hundreds of projects using tax payer’s money that could run far beyong 10 or more years…by then, most of us would be gone! The real problem is….to much traffic coming into atlanta bogging down so that people would come in spending their money. In fact, that was the whole ideal in the beginning. That backfired and now it is a great big problem for all of Fulton and Dekalb County which are the biggest of the them all. There were really no intent on fixing or Untie Atlanta…it was perely getting the money to do whatever they wanted. I don’t think this traffic in Atlanta will ever be solved….it was just a trick to get your YES vote and your “hard earn dollars.”

JamVet

August 1st, 2012
6:39 pm

iggy, you seems exceptionally upset and nasty this evening. Even for you.

Wassup?

Bad news from the IRS? Your ex? The gas company?

Pace yourself, igs.

This is going to be a brutal summer and fall for you Flip Robme RINO fans…

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:40 pm

THULSA
@ 6:31

:-) :-)

BOTH

Are you thinking what I’m thinking? :-)

G Mare

August 1st, 2012
6:40 pm

Del@6:33, eewwew. You are truly a bigot, not mention ignorant!

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:40 pm

Andy er I report has never been shy about his bigotry.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

“No wonder they suck!”

ZamVet reminds me of UGA fans who always say that other teams suck after losing big to those other teams. LSU for instance.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

JamVet,

I eat there maybe twice a year but I think the last time I ate there it was like $8 for a basic combo which is usually $5 or $6 at other fast food joints. I just don’t think its worth it so I don’t go there and like I said I’m just not into their fries or slaw. Besides like ya said its all really bad, horrible food for you anyway.

Brocephus,

Don’t get down too much on West Montgomery. I grew up in Southlawn off Air Base Blvd. You east side uppity folks just think you all that. Seriously I didn’t read the link but I have read lately in the last year or so stepped up attacks by the hard line Muslims in northern Nigeria against Christians and animists so attacks against gays wouldn’t suprise me in the least. Just an even easier target for them. Al Qaeda and other Muslim extremists are starting to gain some footholds in a few hot spots in Africa in Nigeria and in the horn of Africa. Nigeria seems to be getting to be a powder keg and its a pretty important country due to its oil status as an OPEC member and the fact that its easily Africa’s most populous nation. A very diverse nation as well so it’ll be interesting to see what happens in the future in Nigeria. My feeling is that there’s going to continue to be some religious bloodshed there and its gonna get worse with the Muslims there.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

Remember when obumer said the unemployment rate would not go above 8%, and that was five trillion borrowed dollars ago, including the loss of a “Triple A” credit rating?

Isn’t trivia great.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

I don’t know who Andy is but I like the Chicago White Sox. First place. Almost swept the Rangers.

The cubbies remind of the dummycrat party, much noise, plenty of idiots to fill the stands, always losers.

hahahahahahaha

Eat a Peach

August 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

Del

Guess with all of that sound background and information you provided, you fought the good fight to “straightville”.

Must have been tough going for you.

If you do not mind sharing, tell us about it.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

“Bad news from the IRS? Your ex? The gas company?”

Oh the irony.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

“I don’t know who Andy is but I like the Chicago White Sox.”

Same here.

md

August 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

“Unmentionable says that the anti gay marriage folks would get a lot more traction if they hit it from the cost to SS for survivor’s benefits,,,,”

It will have to be amended, there is no doubt……..how amended is the question.

As for those waffle fries, hate them. If I wanted a friggin baked potato I’d order one……I have to get them to cook them extra, extra crispy if and when I get them……

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

GMARE

Deep psychological problems relative to sexual identity stemming back from early childhood… :-) ..

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:43 pm

josef

Someone didn’t wait for you to open the bar. They started at home.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:43 pm

“GM is alive.

Buy Chevy.”

GM stock is garbage, massive recall on the Volt.

I’d buy Ford over Chevy. Heck I’d buy a FIAT over a Chevy.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:44 pm

“The cubbies remind of the dummycrat party, much noise, plenty of idiots to fill the stands, always losers.”

And they both live in the past.

Dems – JFK

Cubs – Santo

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:44 pm

They BOTH

If he get’s caught up in West Montgomery, he’s done. If he thinks that Athens/Clark Co. PD was tough on him, MPD will chew him up and spit him out. Coach Barlow got Crowell to talk with Nigel Carr who finished up at Bama St. after being kicked off Florida St.’s team. Carr did two years in Montgomery without incident. Hopefully Crowell will follow suit.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

I report

This is not your blog. You talk BS, so don’t get upset when you are called out.

Keep it moving

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

“Hopefully Crowell will follow suit.”

He’ll end up like Dyer who just got kicked off his SECOND schools team.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

Youk, Liriano, Peavy, Konerko, de Aza, Perzinski, Sale. We rock.

Go ahead and mouth off about the Bears, we’ll be turning Marshall loose shortly and all you will do then is grin and………Bear it!

Da Bears!

Del

August 1st, 2012
6:46 pm

G Mare@6:40pm…not worthy of a reply other than to advise you that this isn’t Bookman’s blog. I’ve heard that Kyle has little patience for personal insults.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
6:46 pm

Chevy, Dodge…BLEH. Junk junk junk!

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:46 pm

Bro

I’m pulling for the kid. Hometown boy. Be great if he can get it going and make the NFL. Would be even better, regardless of NFL, if he just learns to put down the negative friends and trouble and really shines in life.

md

August 1st, 2012
6:47 pm

“Victor Hill in runoff for Clayton County Sheriff. LMAO!! The citizens of Clayton County are just plain stupid.”

Well…..what does one expect from a county that elected a school board that thought it was a real good idea to fight among themselves until their system became unsanctioned………of course and unsanctioned system might explain the voting for Victor the crook…..

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:47 pm

suck – Blubbering in public is what we used to call a “spectacle.”

If you don’t like the heat…..

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:47 pm

“You are truly a bigot, not mention ignorant!”

And here we go again with the left wing attacks.

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:48 pm

Doom

I used to hang out over there. I stayed in Capitol Heights for a while, so I can’t talk much. ;)

Nigeria’s already had quite a few incidents. The initial powder kegs have blown, but there may be secondary blow ups. I had a friend who got caught up in an incident between Muslims and Christians over there. They’re gunning people down in the streets. You just don’t hear much about it over here. Nothing makes the news here until they blow an oil pipeline or something.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:48 pm

“Be great if he can get it going and make the NFL.”

Crowell is an overrated player. Period.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:48 pm

Gmare

Say what you have to say. An IT recruiter is not qualified to say what gays are or want to be, unless he is one.

Thanks and hang tough

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:48 pm

TBS and Brocephus,

I follow recruiting a little bit since I bet so much on college football and with heralded 5 star recruits like Crowell its the same story every year. Half of them get it,have their heads screwed on straight, and turn out to be the real deal. Trent Richardson is a case in point- great character kid, incredible work ethic, great persona about that young man. Crowell is the opposite so far. Lack of a work ethic, somewhat of a prima donna, found out going against college guys is a little different and you can’t get by on just talent alone. Take the top 10 guys in the country and there’s always 3 or 4 of them that wash out due to narcissism and being pampered all their lives. The rest usually make it and make it big time. Nice to see Trent Richardson GETTING PAID!!!! It remains to be seen what will happen with Crowell but from what I’ve seen he just doesn’t have the great character intangibles that Trent has.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:49 pm

I report

have a tissue

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:49 pm

“I don’t know who Andy is”

He is the guy that hates everyone and calls me gitmo .

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:50 pm

BROSEPHUS

Nigeria is a tinderbox…the Biafrans were right, imauo. And the al Qaaeda faction is gaining ground rapidly in Syria, it seems…the Alawi, Druze, Christians and Shia appear to be sitting ducks if something doesn’t happen and quick. The Kurds, though, are doing their thing there like in Iraq…so, there is some good news coming out of that debacle..

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:51 pm

TD

To date you are correct, but like any young kid, he can turn it around if he works at it. Hopefully AL State will be the catalyst he needs to get it going.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
6:52 pm

Brocephus,

The one girl I almost married grew up in Capital Heights. Not a bad area either. Just kinda old is all. If you read the paper regularly you do read about small incidences in Nigeria and flare ups here and there but I didn’t know it had gotten to regular gunning down incidences in the streets. Its a powder keg sho enough.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

yosef- Good commentary. You are absolutely correct. The Kurds are going to carry that whole country, on the shoulders, if they have to. Notice how al Qaeda doesn’t attack them? They would get their a$$ kicked if they did.

md

August 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

I “strongly dislike” (hate is too strong) Bama, but that kid benching 600 lbs is a beast……..

@@

August 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

josef:

The only thing I can find on the Rabbi in Amsterdam is at gay sites. Seems he made the mistake of saying gays could be converted. For that, he was suspended.

Lead by example? Can’t do that from your sanctuary.

(ISH)

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

They BOTH

Can’t argue with that. Sometimes, you’ve gotta leave the homies behind.

BADA BING

August 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

Henceforth CFA waffle fries will be known as Religious Freedom Fries.I ordered a CFA sandwich with a side order of revenge, best served cold.

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:55 pm

BOTH

Are you saying some folks can’t hold their likker… :-)

Not So Casual Observer

August 1st, 2012
6:55 pm

The most telling comment last night came from the Chairman of the Committee that created the list of projects.

Mayor Bucky Johnson, of Norcross, stated, “I can’t think of one thing we would do differently”. We must elect some of the least talented, short-sighted, unimaginative people to ever hold public office – well, at least Norcross does!

getalife

August 1st, 2012
6:55 pm

The big bombs hitting Syria’s military are our covert operations.

China 30 medals.

USA 29 medals.

Go USA!

kayaker 71

August 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

Great to see that Chick-fil-a has gleaned all of the support of the Atlanta community. Cars backed up on the interstate waiting to enter the drive thru. Rosie O’Donnell can shove it.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

The Kurds don’t mess around. You won’t catch them kowtowing to the enemy, like obozo, for instance. They’re like Bush/Cheney.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
6:57 pm

Yeah, gitmo, we know, We’re supplying al Qaeda and you do not see the problem.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
6:57 pm

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
6:58 pm

Doom

Let’s just say that we’re probably going to have an influx of asylum cases from Nigeria in the future.

—————

josef

I don’t think there’s been a definitive link between AQ and Boko Haram, but the similarities are there. I’ve talked to people first hand about the different nationalities present there which receive little notice outside of security circles.

BADA BING

August 1st, 2012
6:59 pm

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To eat at the CFA on Wednesday, 8/1.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
6:59 pm

“He is the guy that hates everyone and calls me gitmo .”

Gitmo = hilarious. Doubt he hates everyone.

josef

August 1st, 2012
6:59 pm

@ @

I’ll have to go digging on that…I was just wondering what “brand” he is…we’ve got our Taliaban, too! :-)

As for leading…we put in our time back in the immediate post Stonewall days…we’re retired now and have left it to the younguns… LOL

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

“Go USA!”

Surprised you’re not cheering for Cuba or Russia.

Not So Casual Observer

August 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

Another attempt at demonizing a business by the GLBT community and their cohorts in the media has failed. Hopefully this is simply the beginning of the end for groups who have an unpopular agenda but claim a superiority in thought that is unfounded and based upon an odd definition of “hate”.

To the GLBT community if you disagree with their positions then you “hate” them. Sort of sounds like the Obama backers who claim anyone who disagrees with their ignorant, socialist leader is a racist.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

Go to chick fila and order a hate sandwich with some bigotry fries.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:02 pm

World News with Diane Segway? I think not. Exploiting local news storys with Diane Segway? I think so.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:03 pm

“Go to chick fila and order a hate sandwich with some bigotry fries.”

I did and as it turns out they are DELICIOUS!!

getalife

August 1st, 2012
7:03 pm

Logic,

I am a proud Independent with no party or ideology.

I support our President cleaning up the gop mess.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:04 pm

“Go to chick fila and order a hate sandwich with some bigotry fries.”

Whatever you hate, I like. I’ll go there 3 times a day if it means you don’t like it.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:04 pm

Not so Casual

Why no mention of the conservative leaning American Family Association that has active boycotts against numerous companies for offering domestic partner benefits?

I see them boycotting as no problem. They are well within their rights as are those who have decided to forgo Chickfila.

I do not recall companies such as Delta, Home Depot, Coca Cola breaking any laws by offering those benefits just like the Cathys / Chickfila broke no law by expressing their views.

So are you for or against the AFA boycotts?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:04 pm

“I am a proud Independent with no party or ideology.”

Flat out lie.

josef

August 1st, 2012
7:04 pm

BROSEPHUS

Boko Haram does seem to be an indigenous pack of wack-os…they’re too loony even for al Qaeeda from what I gather. That seems to be the evaluation of most of my Nigerian colleagues, Muslim and Christian alike…

WHINER

The Kurds are a truly interesting lot…I like ‘em…

Jm

August 1st, 2012
7:05 pm

L-O-S-T refers to Atlanta’s future

And Atlanta’s marbles

kayaker 71

August 1st, 2012
7:05 pm

getalife, 7:00,

That statement probably wins the trophy for the most stupid and ignorant comment made to date.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
7:05 pm

“Let’s just say that we’re probably going to have an influx of asylum cases from Nigeria in the future.”

Bro,

Bring em. The ones I’ve known are good, hard working people. The only thing is I hope all the good people don’t try to just up and leave and let despotic Muslim terrorists take over.

getalife

August 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

chick fila’s business plunged so you cons need to eat there everyday.

You are already fat and lazy so one day is all you got.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

getalife
August 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

Go to chick fila and order a hate sandwich with some bigotry fries.

I have to admit. This one was funny and gave me a good chuckle.

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

“Another thing that money can’t buy is culture.” – Mitt

Del

August 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

Say what you have to say. An IT recruiter is not qualified to say what gays are or want to be, unless he is one.

Thanks and hang tough

Well now if you’re directing that feckless comment at me without the stones to address it directly, I’ll enlighten you. “I.T. recruiter”, I built the business and owned it after a long sales and marketing career that included management positions in Fortune 500 companies. I did well financially and I’m not ashamed of my success or do I begrudge the success of others. Additionally, I don’t I find it necessary to curry favor with fellow bloggers who agree with my views by telling them to “hang tough” because most of my fellow conservative bloggers can do so without my encouragement. That’s in sharp contrast with most of the group think left, which evidently includes you. Carry on.

Jm

August 1st, 2012
7:07 pm

How’s it feel Kyle?

No alternative plan. Just a: make do with what we got

Atlantans are retarded. It’s all the yanks and halfbacks I guess.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:07 pm

I hope the LGBT will bring their wallets to CFA Friday and put some more cash in Cathys pocket.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:08 pm

TD and Bruno

A few months ago, I read a story in Mens Journal about Lagos. Basically one of their writers went over and spent a few weeks there. Pretty crazy. Might be able to find the story on line. An interesting read to say the least.

Jm

August 1st, 2012
7:08 pm

Atlanta: no resurgens

getalife

August 1st, 2012
7:09 pm

kayaker,

I don’t even bother to read your crap.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
7:10 pm

Maybe you libs could stage a North American Man Boy Love Association appreciation day, although I’m not sure that it would garner the same response as Chick-fila-A.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:10 pm

Have another drink. Hopefully it is top shelf

And no you do not have the background to say what gays are or want to be even if you built a business.

So hang tough………

Come out of that closet

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
7:11 pm

iggy I thought the rhetoric sauce was great on the hate and for dipping the bigotry

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:11 pm

Gmare

If others call them “like they see them”, you do the same.

Hang tough

BADA BING

August 1st, 2012
7:11 pm

Did you hear about the dyslexic who voted Yes on TSPLOST because he wanted to unite Atlanta?

getalife

August 1st, 2012
7:12 pm

I think cathy’s decision to voice his bigotry was a horrible business decision.

G Mare

August 1st, 2012
7:13 pm

Del@6:46, it’s only an insult if it isn’t true. :)

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:13 pm

Before Kyle shuts it down, everyone have a great night and keep the “spirits” at bay

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
7:14 pm

I enjoyed my lunch salad with a beer from one of the local microbreweries. It had a hint of blueberry. Try that at your Chick-Fil-A.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:14 pm

All I will say is my 2 hate sandwichs and bigot fries, hit the spot. My hate resvoir was a bit low, hence, I needed a double dose!!

Hate sandwich…hilarious!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 1st, 2012
7:15 pm

I know what’ll work, a Planned Parenthood Appreciation Day. Bring along your two year old and we’ll wipe it out too!

Lines around the block, I tell you.

md

August 1st, 2012
7:16 pm

“Go to chick fila and order a hate sandwich with some bigotry fries.

I support our President cleaning up the gop mess.”

So Get, you support our President and think those that think marriage is between one man and one woman are bigots??

You do know who said this:

”I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian … it is also a sacred union.”

So, by your own logic, you support a bigot….correct??

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:16 pm

“I think cathy’s decision to voice his bigotry was a horrible business decision.”

Ya think! CFA may well have broken its own record for one day sales.

Del

August 1st, 2012
7:17 pm

Someone posted about vermin migration due to lost habitat. Pretty good analogy.

Brosephus™

August 1st, 2012
7:17 pm

josef

I think they started off as an independent group. I think they are beginning to link up with “kindred spirits” throughout the ME. I haven’t seen evidence in tactics that scream AQ, but I think it’s only a matter of time.

—————

Doom

Many of them are hard working, but there’s an element of them who are Grade A scammers. Many of them who live here now still keep their ties to the homeland, so I don’t think they will abandon Nigeria completely.

—————

They BOTh

Calling Lagos crazy is pretty much accurate from what I’ve gathered from friends who have been there.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
7:18 pm

they both suck,

Lagos is a big, bustling city. I got a friend that flys for Southern Air- google it sometime. Its a very interesting airline to say the least. He flys to hot spots all over Africa and the world in general doing things for our govt. . We didn’t talk about Lagos last time I saw him but I was kinda surprised to hear him say a lot of good things about Addis Ababba in Ethiopia which I thought was still just a mess.

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
7:18 pm

I think cathy’s decision to voice his bigotry was a horrible business decision

what bigotry you’re not much of a businessman are ya get?…he could have been talking about a Chinese Ghost Marriage for all you know….he just said he supports traditional marriage…I’m sure the polygamists are offended as well

getalife

August 1st, 2012
7:19 pm

md,

The dems are adding gay marriage to their platform so our President flipped flopped.

It is a civil rights issue so they should be treated the same.

You cons are running out of people to discriminate against.

md

August 1st, 2012
7:19 pm

“So are you for or against the AFA boycotts?”

There is a huge difference between a private organization or private individuals boycotting a cause and gov’t officials doing the same thing…….that is where the line has been crossed.

BADA BING

August 1st, 2012
7:20 pm

Dress Code for GLTB day
Friday, 8/3

Meat Is Murder Tshirt
Save The Whales Tshirt
Boycott CFA Tshirt
Rainbow Nation Tshirt
Stop The War Tshirt
Fur Is Murder Tshirt

Don’t forget to wear it tight and bring your Chap Stick

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:20 pm

“chick fila’s business plunged so you cons need to eat there everyday.”

Link please.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:20 pm

Probably tomorrow CFA will begin selling Chicken BIsGOTS.

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
7:21 pm

I ride by Chick-Fil-A every Sunday on my home and I keep wondering when they are going to open so I can try them out.

kayaker 71

August 1st, 2012
7:21 pm

Obviously getalife and lots of you libs feel that people other than you don’t have a right to an opinion about social issues. If you don’t agree with a liberal, then you are the enemy and are open to being called names, vilification, being demonized for your opinion……. so, in the spirit of getalife’s comments, I will point out to him that there is a special place that his opinion belongs….. it is tubular in shape, dark, moist and rather dirty and saved especially for him and Rosie.

Del

August 1st, 2012
7:21 pm

Wife just called she’s been in line at a Cumming Chick-fil-A for over an hour. She said the crowd was unbelievable. My daughter and I can hardly wait for those great sandwiches.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:22 pm

“The dems are adding gay marriage to their platform ”

And they’ll lose big.

md

August 1st, 2012
7:23 pm

“I think cathy’s decision to voice his bigotry was a horrible business decision.”

What I find funny is the sudden outrage when everybody and their brother knows CFA is closed on Sunday…..and they all know why.

To even think they wouldn’t believe in OMOW as marriage is the comical part………

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:23 pm

CFA Bigots and Gravy.

josef

August 1st, 2012
7:23 pm

THULSA

Speaking of Addis Ababa…my Ethiopian friends tell me that it has done a 180 degree turnabout and is off and running…a lot of the exiles have been going back home and taking their coins with them and investing. They say it’s beginning to move out into the outlying areas now…fingers crossed, they say…

BROSEPHUS

It does seem that they are home grown, and al Qaeeda seems to be pretty adept at coopting the homegrown…

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:24 pm

Obama once again supports our enemies.

Obama authorizes secret U.S. support for Syrian rebels

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

Del

August 1st, 2012
7:24 pm

K-71,

You’ve just described the place where left wing ideology originates.

iggy

August 1st, 2012
7:24 pm

Yes, I would like one Hate Sandwich and one order of bigots and gravy.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:25 pm

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
7:26 pm

The dems are adding gay marriage to their platform

do you really believe this election will be framed by social issues?

josef

August 1st, 2012
7:26 pm

bada

Still got a t-shirt a friend had made for me back in college…”Nuke a Gay Whale for Christ!”

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:26 pm

“You’ve just described the place where left wing ideology originates.”

The sewer?

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:27 pm

josef

You are going to wake up straight, so you might want to warn Unmentionable. Because that is what you really want to be.

And you didn’t even know it…..

:-)

hahahahahaa

;-)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:28 pm

” She said the crowd was unbelievable. ”

I was at the one in downtown Chicago and the line was out the door. Someone said they were taking a sackful of food to that idiot aldermanns office. I would have gladly taken some to Rahm but he’s so short I wouldn’t be able to find him.

kayaker 71

August 1st, 2012
7:28 pm

joseph, 7:26,

That’s a hoot.

Jm

August 1st, 2012
7:28 pm

So the worst decision in Atlanta history has been made

And you want to talk about chicken biscuits

Ok

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:29 pm

Erwins’ Cat

My guess is that it will be a wash. Not going to gain or lose them much, but we will see.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:29 pm

kayaker 71

I actually thought getalife was a special ed student. I almost felt bad for him up until someone said that he was a grown-up.

BADA BING

August 1st, 2012
7:30 pm

Thulsa….. did you hear the tribute poem to BackStreet ( you mentioned it earlier)

The explosion split the night
Sound pierced street and alley
The echo tattooed on my mind
Like a yodel in the valley

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
7:30 pm

Does Chick-Fil-A serve hamburgers and hotdogs. They’re true American classics.

Del

August 1st, 2012
7:30 pm

CFA sandwiches are here. Y’all enjoy the evening.

Erwin's cat

August 1st, 2012
7:30 pm

Jm for once the voters got it right!

G Mare

August 1st, 2012
7:31 pm

Much love to Josef & TBS for backing me up. Hi, Guys. BTW, received an answer from AJC re Jay’s blog. It will resume when Jay comes back. YAH. That said, I will continue coming here, too, because I think Kyle has a “good head on his shoulders.” And I much appreciate him for putting up with us “displaced persons.”

Bruno & Doomy, despite that we will never agree on much, I’m glad to know that you are alive & posting. Must also say that I don’t recall either of you getting really nasty, unlike oh I don’t know, maybe DEL?

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
7:31 pm

josef,

That’s what he said about Addis Ababba. He had nothing but good to say about it which just shocked me. I was probably confusing it with Mogadishu. The wars with Tigre and Eritrea ended a while back if memory serves me correctly so I guess it would only make sense that AA was getting it together. He loved it better than any place he flies to in India which surprised me. The hotel he and a lot of other Westerners stay in and the foreigner qtr of town is supposed to be pretty nice from what he was telling me.

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
7:31 pm

That 7:29 look like a cheap shot at another blogger. That sort of behavior seems to be quite common with the self-proclaimed tolerant conservatives around these parts.

josef

August 1st, 2012
7:32 pm

ERWIN’S CAT
I agree with you on the election and social issues, low on the list. Same with foreign relations.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:32 pm

Gmare

Kyle has indeed been a gracious host. We do not agree on too many political issues, but I do like his writing style.

@@

August 1st, 2012
7:32 pm

As for Reid’s assessment of the state of Senate races, he told HuffPo that “We feel comfortable in the Senate,” but said the growing influence of independent political groups could tip the balance of power toward the Republicans.

“Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election,” Reid said. “They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, ‘Hey, we just bought America. Wasn’t so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.’”

When was the last time Harry looked in a mirror? He’s white, he’s old, and lately, he’s been very angry.

Thulsa Doom

August 1st, 2012
7:33 pm

“Must also say that I don’t recall either of you getting really nasty,”

G- Mare,

Just give me a chance. I’ll show you nasty I will!!!!!

Hillbilly D

August 1st, 2012
7:34 pm

Had something of a strange revelation today, if that’s what you’d call it. I was in the grocery store and I was hungry and they had this big picture of a mighty tasty looking BBQ sandwich with 99¢ in big yellow letters right next to it. I thought to myself, you know, that looks mighty good and you’re hungry, you might want to partake in this. But then I got closer and wouldn’t you know it, there was some fine print. Turns out the 99¢ was for a Coke, if I purchased the sandwich and nowhere on the sign, did it mention how much the sandwich was. So I says to myself, you know most everything you see these days is based on deceit and/or lies. Is it any wonder the world is in such a mess?

So I just came on home and ate me a mater sandwich.

BADA BING

August 1st, 2012
7:34 pm

oops wrong poem have to find the right one

Logic was never intended for libs

August 1st, 2012
7:34 pm

“That 7:29 look like a cheap shot at another blogger.”

Not gonna fly here, Numbers. I didn’t call the guy a name. Just said that I thought he was a special ed student. You should learn how to comprehend the english language for a change.

They BOTH suck

August 1st, 2012
7:34 pm

TD

Too funny

And I’m gone.

Kyle Wingfield

August 1st, 2012
7:36 pm

That’s it for tonight, everyone. Comments are in moderation until tomorrow morning.

josef

August 1st, 2012
7:40 pm

GMARE

Like you, I’m grateful for Uncle Kyle’s welcome of us displaced persons…I try to check in from time to time here since there’s a lot of my old buds from Jay’s here…

As for the back up….oh, Honey, that chile is a trip! He can throw a queen fit to put me to shame…
:-)

Numbers-R-US

August 1st, 2012
7:41 pm

@ 7:34,

I did not claim that you called anyone a name. Perhaps it is you that should learn the subtleties of the English language.

md

August 1st, 2012
7:43 pm

Wonder if ole Harry knows the media has been running it’s own agenda unchecked for decades (in both directions)….usually old white guys.

Citizens United just leveled the playing field.

@@

August 1st, 2012
7:48 pm

Well, I see the lights have been turned off. I’ll just stumble around in the dark.

The critics, after all, were right. There are plenty of good reasons for an individual to avoid patronizing Chick-fil-A—not just the company’s opposition to equality for LGBT humans, but also the plight of the chickens whose slaughtered flesh Chick-fil-A laughingly sells.–Justia.com

Can’t help but laugh at THAT one.

LGBT and the plight of chickens!!??!!

laurie

August 1st, 2012
8:26 pm

I agree Kyle. I think making GDOT projects more transparent, publishing cost benefit analysis for all or most requests, and outlining the methodology used to select funded items, would be a good start. Also, any future TSPLOST type amendments should be smaller in scope, targeted at smaller regions that will see direct impact, and have a shorter duration than 10 years.

dabir dalton

August 1st, 2012
8:54 pm

1) For quite some time Republicans have elected on a no new tax platform.

2) Republicans have spent years drilling into the public’s perception that govt. can’t be trusted

3) Conservative Republican voters are well known for electing the most dishonest of men into political office Perdue – Deal – Ralston – In Nov. once again conservative republicans will attempt to vote Mr. Flip flopper personified into office when they vote for romney.

Conservative republicans have sowed the wind of mistrust and dishonesty for years and now it is their turn to reap the whirlwind.

Intown

August 1st, 2012
8:56 pm

In regard to mass transit: Kyle, I thought we had a regional governance structure. It was supposed to be GRTA.

In regard to T-SPLOST vote, it’s just a shame. The voters in Augusta, Columbus and freakin’ Jessup care more about their economic future than metro Atlanta. Unprecedented in GA.

ragnar danneskjold

August 1st, 2012
9:33 pm

I respectfully believe our host errs. The T-SPLOST vote has nothing to do with “diminished trust” of elected officials. The elected officials might think that – in that rarefied society , it’s always about “me.” Those cultists who magnify the importance of our noble leaders also would assess “diminished trust” as the warning bell from the voters, sniffing, “the rabble is revolting.”

I believe the voters think for themselves, and as a general proposition believe government is spending too much. This vote was an opportunity to stand athwart the spending machine and yell, “stop.” And the voters did.

yuzeyurbrane

August 1st, 2012
11:01 pm

Kyle, you are right about the hubris of the ruling class and many of the actions you propose would help this disconnect. I don’t know if it is one party rule per se that causes this but no doubt it is a factor and for 140 years corruption has largely been part of the political culture. And it has often centered upon transportation because that has always been a big pot of gold. But it has also been in other areas where there are large govt. expenditures with little transparency. And whenever the average folk begin to see that they really are all being shafted by the same corrupt folks in power, they have all too often been manipulated by ugly wedge issues appealing to the darker side of their natures.

seabeau

August 2nd, 2012
6:13 am

What Alanta really needs are more reservoirs,not more highways. If you build more roads,more people will come,and more roads will be needed. Stop expanding now and have a more liveable city later!!!

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
7:58 am

Mornin’.

How’s everyone enjoying “Declare Victory and Waddle Home” day?

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
8:17 am

What Alanta really needs are more reservoirs,not more highways.

Might need ‘em, but building new reservoirs is a lot easier said than done these days, given how many people lay claim to these water basins.

Comprehensive water conservation efforts (I’d prefer positive rather than negative reinforcement methods) would go a long way in the meantime.

Del

August 2nd, 2012
8:18 am

Just out of curiosity a question for Kyle or a regular, is it customary for Kyle to close down his blog each day in the early evening?

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
8:24 am

Del @ 8.18, I’m not exactly a regular, but I am interested in how these blogs are managed, so I had been paying attention…

And the answer is “yes.” Kyle decided relatively recently that rather than dealing with the usual drunken outbursts that accompany night-time postings, he’d just shut it down overnight.

Jose

August 2nd, 2012
8:25 am

intown doesn’t get it and is just selfish

the rest of metro atlanta was not going to pay higher taxes for projects that only benefit INTOWN……….. an analogy is how liberals complain the poor pay for tax cuts for the rich

the T-SPLOST was top heavy with projects for DEKALB, FULTON, CofATL…………..

Interested observer

August 2nd, 2012
8:25 am

I knew there was a reason to keep reading this ultra-conservative blog; every now and then I actually agree with Kyle, and this was one of those occasions.

TSPLOST came down to trust, and trust in government is gone. Some of that has to do with the constant attack on government and taxation to the right that has been so successful that the GOP faithful don’t have any faith in any government, even that led by the people they elect. And they’re correct in not having any faith. It turns out that there’s little difference between a Democrat and a Republican once they’re elected. All of those GOP candidates for the legislature say they’re for smaller government and less government intrusion, but the General Assembly each year passes hundreds of bills that enlarge government and make it more intrusive.

I disagree with Kyle on a minor point. I think we actually had a two-party state for a year or two as voters moved from being Democrats to being Republicans.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:26 am

“I did not claim that you called anyone a name. Perhaps it is you that should learn the subtleties of the English language.”

I never said that you did claim that I called him a name, Numbers. Perhaps you should learn to read.

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
8:27 am

We’d probably save a lot of water in GA by simply declaring all homeowners’ associations covenants forbidding anything but thirsty front-yard grass turf null and void, for starters.

Of course I’d see that as a positive reinforcement, since I think homeowners should be able to — nay, ENCOURAGED to, raise crops in their front yards if they wish. YMMV.

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2012
8:30 am

Looks like Romney may drift farther to the right to please the Tea Party.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/mitt-romney-move-emboldened-tea-party/story?id=16906367

Are we EVER going to what Romney truly believes?

Don Abernethy

August 2nd, 2012
8:30 am

Distrust in government is not just local. Washington is at the top of the list.

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2012
8:33 am

going to know**

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
8:33 am

Logic,

You claimed that you did not call the guy a name and used that claim as your basis for attacking my post where I called you out for taking a “cheap shot” at another blogger with your use of the “special ed” line. Your subsequent attempts to deflect are entertaining though. Carry on.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:35 am

“Are we EVER going to what Romney truly believes?”

He believes the opposite of what Obama believes.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
8:35 am

Mitt believes in the American Dream, Peadawg.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:36 am

“You claimed that you did not call the guy a name and used that claim as your basis for attacking my post”

Project much? Attack?

“Your subsequent attempts to deflect are entertaining though. ”

Says the guy who says I “attacked” him.

Carry on.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:37 am

“Looks like Romney may drift farther to the right to please the Tea Party.”

GREAT! I applaud him for it!

@@

August 2nd, 2012
8:38 am

Business groups retool after tax defeat

What does that mean, exactly…that they’re gonna have to come up with some new tools?

schnirt

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
8:40 am

Says the guy who says I “attacked” him.

I actually said, “You claimed that you did not call the guy a name and used that claim as your basis for attacking my post where I called you out for taking a “cheap shot” at another blogger with your use of the “special ed” line.”

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
8:42 am

Are we EVER going to [know] what Romney truly believes?

I am going to defend Mitt, here.

He is only a little more blatant in his willingness to adapt his “core beliefs” in order to win than most, and that’s because, as a governor of a Northeastern state, he had farther to travel, ideologically, than most in the running for the GOP nomination. (Obviously guys like Buddy Roemer and Gary Johnson didn’t make that shift, because they didn’t have to, since they didn’t really expect to win. In the case of Huntsman, it was a more principled decision, I guess.)

You can allow yourself to be upset by it, or you can do as I do, which is to wryly respond, when asked what I think of Romney, that “I’d have seriously considered the 2002 version.”

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:43 am

Numbers-R-US

Go cry to someone else, ok. I’m not arguing with you about my observations of getalife anymore.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:43 am

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:44 am

MORE bad news for left wingers.

Jobless Claims Increase

The number of U.S. workers filing applications for jobless benefits rose last week, continuing an uneven pattern that suggests job creation was likely modest in July.

Initial jobless claims, an indication of layoffs, increased by 8,000 to a seasonally adjusted 365,000 in the week ended July 28, the Labor Department said Thursday. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires had forecast 370,000 new applications for jobless benefits last week.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577564761715307088.html

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
8:46 am

Just for those playing at home, I assume this “Logic was never…” guy is the same one who used to post (incessantly) as “Communist AJC,” years back. Were I Nate Silver I’d put the probability of a match at around 97%.

Having said that, I will play by Kyle’s rules and refer to him by his current screen handle, trollish though it may be.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
8:46 am

Go cry to someone else, ok. I’m not arguing with you about my observations of getalife anymore.

Cry? Argue? Deflect. Much. OK.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:48 am

“Having said that, I will play by Kyle’s rules and refer to him by his current screen handle, trollish though it may be.”

Keep trying, stands.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
8:48 am

“Jobs!. Jobs! Jobs… Jobs… Jobs!” – GOP 2010 campaign.

Where are those jobs, cons.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
8:50 am

I saw a post from Kyle where he informed us of the return of “Logic…” starting yesterday.

weetamoe

August 2nd, 2012
8:50 am

TEA party groups all over the country have demonstrated their faith in government by working within the system to elect conservatives from local office all the way to the senate. They just have a different view of government accountability than those who continue to smear them with everything from offensive homosexual epithets to comments about where they live—and a different view from occupiers who rely on defecating and micturating on police (government) cars to solve perceived inequality. Citizens who came together in TEA party groups did so after listening to Rick Santelli in Chicago and reading the WAPO 21March report of the CBO comparing Obama’s projected deficits with Bush’s real deficits.

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2012
8:52 am

““Jobs!. Jobs! Jobs… Jobs… Jobs!” – GOP 2010 campaign.

Where are those jobs, cons.”

Jobs!. Jobs! Jobs… Jobs… Jobs!” – Obama 2008 campaign.

Where are those jobs, Obama?

BADA BING

August 2nd, 2012
8:53 am

I heard that they were going to pass a special TSPLOST, just to relieve traffic congestion around Chik Fil A restaurants.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:54 am

“Where are those jobs, cons.”

Huh, so Obama is a Republican? I mean, he is the president who said that he would put a “laser-like focus” on the economy.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
8:54 am

@Peadawg…”Are we EVER going to what Romney truly believes?”

Romney believes he would like to win and is running a marketing campaign that panders for votes while suppressing his negatives…like not paying much in taxes, somehow accumulating $100 million in a 401K (in spite of the virtual mathematic impossibility), and making a fortune in a legal but very distasteful way.

He is hoping the American public focuses on the average performance of the Obama Administration and forgets all about the debacle of Duhbya whose policies he intends to resurrect.

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
8:55 am

Numbers @ 8.50, I might add (and I apologize to one and all for going all soap-opera here), I only mentioned that bit about LWNIFL = Communist AJC since he’d thought it would be cute to attack our JamVet for posting regularly over the past, what was it, seven years, he’d claimed?

Given that this guy has been posting regularly for over four years, himself, it seemed almost as laughable at that trash-bag of Drudgian talking points he mistakes for an ideology.

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2012
8:56 am

“like not paying much in taxes”

Hell according to Harry Reid, he didn’t pay any taxes. I really wish Romney would man up and release more tax returns to put this to rest once and for all.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:56 am

“like not paying much in taxes”

MSNBC talking points alert!

“and making a fortune in a legal but very distasteful way.”

I seriously doubt he cares if you think he made his fortune in a distasteful way. John Edwards made his millions off of other people’s suffering but the left NEVER said anything about that.

“debacle of Duhbya whose policies he intends to resurrect.”

Unemployment was never 8% under Bush. No matter how many times you lie about Bush, Bush never had to deal with 8% unemployment.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:57 am

” I really wish Romney would man up and release more tax returns to put this to rest once and for all.”

Yeah, Romney should release them in October just in time for the election in November.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
8:57 am

The Republican measure would extend all the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels, but end breaks passed in 2009 that help about 25 million middle-class households.

So Republicans want to effectively give the wealthiest another tax cut and make the middle class pay for it.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
8:58 am

@”Logic”

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
8:59 am

“he’d thought it would be cute to attack our JamVet for posting regularly over the past, what was it, seven years, he’d claimed?”

You guys are so funny! You throw out words like “hate speech and attack” anytime someone calls out your asinine comments. As far as JamVet goes, I’ve read a lot of his vile comments on Bookman’s blog and call him out over here when he pretends to play the victim.

You guys are too easy.

“Given that this guy has been posting regularly for over four years, himself, it seemed almost as laughable at that trash-bag of Drudgian talking points he mistakes for an ideology.”

LOL!!!!!!! Again with the paranoia.

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2012
8:59 am

“I seriously doubt he cares if you think he made his fortune in a distasteful way.”

That’s obvious. But a lot of voters DO care.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:00 am

“@”Logic””

OH NOES!!!!!!! Not the emoticons!!!!!!!!! Hey, how about using that infamous face palm illustration that Bro uses? I mean, that never gets old, right?

Jose

August 2nd, 2012
9:00 am

to un-paraphrase rodney king

cant we all not get along

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August 2nd, 2012
9:00 am

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2012
8:52 am

Pea,
Good job…
as to the latter, I’d suggest asking the filibustering GOP Senators and as my favorite pundit would say, the GOP House is laser focused on jobs, jobs, job-bortions… :)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:01 am

“But a lot of voters DO care.”

Just the ones on the left. They don’t have anything on Romney so they have to manufacture a problem.

LIKE: War on women, war on poor people, racism etc.

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
9:02 am

Hell according to Harry Reid, he didn’t pay any taxes.

Come on, PD–Reid didn’t make that assertion, he claimed that a Bain associate had made this assertion. So it’s heresay on his part, but he never claimed otherwise.

(FWIW, I don’t think that was a real bright move on Reid’s part, but then I’m the guy constantly going broke overestimating the intelligence of the American public, so…)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:02 am

“the GOP House is laser focused on jobs”

The GOP passed several budgets only to have them shot down by Harry Reid and the soon to be kicked out of office democrats.

See, this is too easy.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
9:03 am

Mitt lacks culture.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:03 am

“Reid didn’t make that assertion”

REALLY????

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada turned heads this week by suggesting that Mitt Romney is withholding his tax returns because he didn’t pay taxes over a 10-year stretch.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2018828906_taxesromney02.html

Your Google must be broke.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:04 am

“Mitt lacks culture.”

Yeah, that’s it.

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
9:05 am

REALLY??

yes, really. I heard/saw what Reid actually said, as opposed to merely what a news writer decided to interpret.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:06 am

” I heard/saw what Reid actually said, as opposed to merely what a news writer decided to interpret.”

Oh, so you were with him when he said it. Gotcha.

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
9:07 am

Anyway, I gotta produce. Might be back if Kyle’s got something new to chew on.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:07 am

“Anyway, I gotta produce. Might be back if Kyle’s got something new to chew on.

It’s ok, stands. I’m not gonna rub it in.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 2nd, 2012
9:08 am

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:02 am

Too easy?

Ha! They were shot down because of the asinine riders that were attached to them…as the House GOP knew they would be.

And while I’m at it, your 0901 shows your illogical thinking (?) The House GOP has presented more anti women legislation than any before it.

I do hope you are a rich Republican and not one of those other Republicans…

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
9:08 am

Fortunately, Israel has culture and that’s what lets it thrive economically, unlike Palestine.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
9:09 am

I do hope you are a rich Republican and not one of those other Republicans…

Now that’s rich.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:10 am

” They were shot down because of the asinine riders that were attached to them…as the House GOP knew they would be.”

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

” your 0901 shows your illogical thinking (?) The House GOP has presented more anti women legislation than any before it.”

Yeah, that’s it.

“I do hope you are a rich Republican and not one of those other Republicans…”

Why, because you’ll demand that I pay my fair share to you?

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
9:15 am

Trading firm Knight Capital is being forced to raise money after an erroneous trading position wiped out $440 million of the firm’s capital, Knight said in a statement on Thursday.

Yikes! Those glitches can hurt.

Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak

August 2nd, 2012
9:16 am

Why, because you’ll demand that I pay my fair share to you?

Socialism — BOO!

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
9:22 am

Doom — “We’ll see you tomorrow but in the meantime try to come up with a more reasoned response to the comparison you made between Mr. Cathy and the hate groups of the 60s with their bombings, attack dogs, fire hoses, etc. Your answer on the subjective is non-responsive.”

I suggest that you make your peace with it, because it’s all you’re going to get from me. If you find it poorly reasoned, shrug.

“As for your last comment on race baiting that is also non-responsive. Your retort does not address the selective outrage of white liberals such as yourself.”

If you want to talk about selective outrage, we can certainly talk about your own, too.

“Please address the selective outrage head on as opposed to dodging it with a deflection to something about race baiting.”

If you think that I’ve left specific points unaddressed, you can certainly point to them and ask me to address them, as opposed to dismissively calling my response deflection.

Pro Tip: one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
9:22 am

Now just stop that Kam…. you’re scaring the children and they’ll just take to their bunkers and cry. :lol:

iggy

August 2nd, 2012
9:24 am

CFA results.

“Pastor Rick Warren also tweeted that Cathy called him and told him the company set a world record Wednesday”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/02/huckabee-chick-fil-appreciation-day-beyond-anything-could-have-imagined/#ixzz22OXB0lUy

This Friday I hope the lbgt crowd brings the wallets along with their lips.

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August 2nd, 2012
9:25 am

Logic,
Though I do enjoy your “logic”, I have a job and can’t stay to banter with you. You do bring to mind some bumper stickers I have though.

1. Voting is like driving, if you want to go forward, choose D. If you want to go backward, choose R.

2. Vote republican, it’s easier than thinking.

3. And just for you. There are only two kinds of Republicans, The Rich and the Duped.

Oh..just thought of another one. I think; therefore I’m a Liberal.

Have a great day following your masters. :lol:

tiredofIT

August 2nd, 2012
9:28 am

Numbers-R-US
August 2nd, 2012
9:08 am

Fortunately, Israel has culture and that’s what lets it thrive economically, unlike Palestine.
+++
Then why do they need billions from the USA?

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
9:28 am

md — “Nice sidestep there Joe…..as for the food, last I checked the chicken sandwich had no opinion either.”

You asked if certain mayors had asked Obama not to come to their cities. Well, why would they, considering they didn’t ask Mr. Cathy to not come there?

You’re conflating asking Obama not to come with asking Mr. Cathy not to set up franchises. Apples and oranges.

“My point, and I really don’t care if gays marry, is the hypocrisy from the left on this particular issue. If they are going to condemn folks for stating a particular belief, they need to do it for those on their “side” that do it as well………”

I’ve clearly said that if you want me to criticize the President for what he said, I’ll do it. I don’t know what else you’re expecting from me past that.

@@

August 2nd, 2012
9:29 am

HEY! Yasmin Neal, author of the bill to ban male vasectomies was defeated.

Sometimes, Clayton County voters get it right.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:31 am

“1. Voting is like driving, if you want to go forward, choose D. If you want to go backward, choose R.”

Forward? High unemployment, exploding debt and a stagnant economy is forward? Huh.

“2. Vote republican, it’s easier than thinking.”

Bumper sticker on a run down VW Golf in Little Five Points.

“3. And just for you. There are only two kinds of Republicans, The Rich and the Duped.”

And there are two kinds of Democrats: Poor and dumb.

“I think; therefore I’m a Liberal.”

Another bumper sticker I saw on a car in Little Five Points. The guy driving it was delivering a pizza.

Del

August 2nd, 2012
9:32 am

Normal… And just for you. There are only two kinds of Democrats, The Rich and their Duped.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
9:32 am

What was that! Reid heard from a Bain Capital investor that Mitt did not pay taxes for ten years! Wow! Mitt should release his birth certificate and clear that matter up. I mean, Mitt should release his tax returns and clear that matter up. Of course he should also release his birth certificate because I have also heard that he was not even born in the US.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
9:33 am

Logic — “The only thing I resent is people like Joe Mama insisting its all about hate.”

Yes, must be people *like* me who said it, because I haven’t said any such thing.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:34 am

Ironic that the left made fun of the right for asking about Obama’s birth certificate and now the left is crying for Mitt to release his taxes.

Libs, if Mitt didn’t pay taxes, the IRS would have been after him years ago.

You gals got NUTHIN on Mitt.

BADA BING

August 2nd, 2012
9:34 am

2 victories claimed this week………..

Tea Party wins victory over TSPLOST

Sweet Tea Party wins victory for CFA

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:35 am

“Yes, must be people *like* me who said it, because I haven’t said any such thing.”

Um Joe, you have me confused with someone else.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
9:36 am

Then why do they need billions from the USA?

Because a good high quality culture is also high maintenance, unlike Palestine’s.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
9:38 am

the IRS would have been after him years ago.

I must have missed our invasion of the Cayman Island post office boxes. Do tell us more.

kayaker 71

August 2nd, 2012
9:40 am

If Romney’s tax return didn’t reflect the amount that liberals think should have been paid, don’t blame Romney, blame the system. I am sure that Romney didn’t break any laws minimizing his tax burden, just like any limousine liberal would have done. Do you look for ways, within the law, to pay more to the government every April? Just like Republicans wanting to see Bozo’s college records….. it’s all a ploy to find something to discredit the candidate. Nothing more.

Del

August 2nd, 2012
9:40 am

Logic was never intended for libs,

I think you’re a regular on Kyles blog. I asked this question earlier generally, is it Kyles custom to close down his blog in the early evening or did he just begin doing so?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:43 am

“I must have missed our invasion of the Cayman Island post office boxes. ”

I guess you think Mitt is the only guy to ever have offshore accounts.

Other folks who have offshore accounts: Bill and Hillary Clinton, John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam), Obama’s staff members, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Bush Sr and Jr, Al Gore….

Pretty much every millionaire in politics have offshore accounts.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
9:43 am

They don’t have anything on Romney

We already have Mitt lying about his taxes in 1992. Mittens wanted to run for Gov of MA but you have to show residence for 7 years. Mitt lied and said he had been paying MA taxes all along but his tax records revealed he was really only paying taxes in Utah.

So, we can add election fraud to the Mitt repertoire?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:44 am

“is it Kyles custom to close down his blog in the early evening or did he just begin doing so?”

He started that a week or so ago because Tiberius and some other folks got into a big fight during the evening hours when Kyle wasn’t around. Someone tried to pin it on me but I was not around when that fight went down.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
9:44 am

This argument that if Romeny had done anything illegal the IRS would have been after him is bogus…how do you know they haven’t been? They may very well be after him on a regular basis and may have forced him to pony up in years past…we just don’t know.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:44 am

“We already have Mitt lying about his taxes in 1992.”

No you don’t. Because if you did, it would be major news.

Keep trying.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
9:44 am

Logic — “Um Joe, you have me confused with someone else.”

Not confused, I just saw that you quoted someone else when you said that and I didn’t catch the original commentor.

FWIW, I haven’t accused CFA or Dan Cathy (or anyone associated with CFA) of hatred or anything like it.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
9:45 am

Logic has no proof of his 9:43 statements?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:45 am

Ironic is libs getting upset over Romney and taxes yet NOT ONE of you cared when Obama’s own staff members didn’t pay taxes and got caught.

Tim Geitner comes to mind.

Del

August 2nd, 2012
9:45 am

Logic,

Thanks

barking frog

August 2nd, 2012
9:46 am

Del
check the updated rules
for Kyles’s blog.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
9:48 am

ooops, that should be 2002, not 1992

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 2nd, 2012
9:48 am

Del, the evening shutdown is about 3 weeks old. It began when some of the more irresponsible members of that other blog decided to infiltrate this one, then further decided to identify bloggers over here (like me) with past names and personal information about them. They also blatantly violated Kyle’s then-existing rules of decorum.

Needless to say, it caused immediate problems and a swift response from Kyle.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
9:48 am

@”Logic”…”Other folks who have offshore accounts: Bill and Hillary Clinton, John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam), Obama’s staff members, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Bush Sr and Jr, Al Gore….”

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

S. Jackson

August 2nd, 2012
9:49 am

And yet these same voters who scream they don’t trust our elected leaders keep blindly re-electing the incumbents overwhelmingly. A perfect example is Balfour out of Gwinnett County. As crooked as they come. A big abuser of the system. Yet, he gets re-elected very easily. Nothing ever changes.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
9:49 am

As the AP reported in June 2002:

Mitt Romney the former Salt Lake City Olympics chief now running for Massachusetts governor paid property taxes on a Utah home as his “primary residence” between 1999 and 2001 and received a $54,600 tax discount as a result.
The distinction which Utah officials said was made in error fueled the debate about whether Romney meets Massachusetts’ residential requirements to be governor. The state Constitution requires a candidate to live in Massachusetts for seven years prior to election.

And as the Boston Globe explained that same month:
At the center of the case were Massachusetts tax returns Romney filed while in Utah. Romney filed in 1999 as a part-year Massachusetts resident and in 2000 as a nonresident.
Romney changed those returns to Massachusetts resident in April, after deciding to run for governor, saying his longtime tax advisers at Pricewaterhouse Coopers had made a mistake.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
9:49 am

Logic — “Ironic that the left made fun of the right for asking about Obama’s birth certificate and now the left is crying for Mitt to release his taxes.”

In the case of Obama’s BC, the REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawaii verified and validated it before the 2008 election and said that there was nothing in it that would preclude Mr. Obama from taking office if he were to be elected. I have a hard time believing that a Republican Governor would say that if there really *was* something fishy about it.

“Libs, if Mitt didn’t pay taxes, the IRS would have been after him years ago.”

IMO, the point that Democratic operatives are trying to make is not that Romney didn’t pay his taxes — they’re trying to use his taxes as a wedge. If they can demonstrate that Romney paid a very low percentage of his income in taxes, or that he took huge deductions that the average American wouldn’t be able to use, then he can be painted as a fatcat on par with the Wall Street banksters.

The beauty of it is that Romney’s returns could be 100% legal and 100% above board in reporting his finances, but that the Democrats could *still* make him look bad for it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
9:50 am

You mean those returns that showed that Mitt was a Utah resident at the same time he claimed to be a Mass resident, all the while claim “Trust me, I filed as a Mass resident?”

And those tax returns that Mitt “signed” but did not read even under penalty of perjury?

The majority of voters want to see those returns.

GFY

August 2nd, 2012
9:50 am

Wow. Thought this blog was about TSPLOST in the metro area. Looks like it’s Bookman’s minions with nothing to do since he hasn’t produced a new blog in some time now. He must be prepping for his big day at Chick-Fil-A tomorrow.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:50 am

“Logic has no proof of his 9:43 statements?”

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz who refuses to release tax returns invested in Swiss Banks, Foreign Drug Companies, State Bank of India

Nancy Pelosi made up to $5 million in offshore investments last year – invests in company called ‘outsourcing pioneer’

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/07/11/nancy-pelosi-made-up-to-5-million-in-offshore-investments-last-year-invests-in-company-called-outsourcing-pioneer-in-romney-ads/

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
9:50 am

K71 — “Just like Republicans wanting to see Bozo’s college records….. it’s all a ploy to find something to discredit the candidate. Nothing more.”

One of the rare times we agree, sir. :)

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:51 am

Tiberius

I remember some folks like KUTGF and others doing that on Bookman’s blog.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
9:51 am

@Del…it was a meltdown of epic proportions…I’d like to tell you who but I might get sued…

:lol:

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
9:51 am

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:52 am

“As the AP reported in June 2002:”

Not seeing a problem there, sport.

Gimme Gimme Gimme

August 2nd, 2012
9:52 am

I like the strict moderation, must be a hassle for Kyle though. The name calling on the other thread is tiresome.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:53 am

“Top 10 possible things Mitt is hiding by not showing his tax returns:”

In other words, it’s paranoid delusion.

Othea

August 2nd, 2012
9:53 am

Bottom line: most believe T-SPLOST is all about public transportation in the Atlanta area. The general public isn’t interested in dumping more money down the toilet. First, the politicians have to show the voters that they can spend wisely on what we really need the government to do and not spend on wasteful programs that have no place in the public sector. Does the state really have any business operating golf courses?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
9:53 am

from previous link:
8. Is Mitt a Felon?

Relatedly, in 2011, Mitt Romney signed a financial disclosure form and sent it to the Federal Election Commission. In it, he stated emphatically that he had no active role in the company after February 1999. That claim appears to be contradicted by a number of other documents.

It’s a felony to lie on an FEC financial disclosure form . Some forms of tax evasion are also felonies. Mitt’s tax returns might offer proof that he committed a crime.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:53 am

“The majority of voters want to see those returns.”

No they don’t.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

@Joe…”The beauty of it is that Romney’s returns could be 100% legal and 100% above board in reporting his finances, but that the Democrats could *still* make him look bad for it.”

Now Joe, Mittens is a smart guy. Do you really think he would keep taking the hits if he could just release say 10 years of nice clean “100% legal and 100% above board ” tax returns….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

Ironic that the same group that demands the “47% of American who pay no taxes — oops I mean no federal income taxes” with no evidence of any unlawfulness have absolutely no issue with Mitt paying 13% or less on his income and investments. But then consistency is often missing with “conspiracy” theorist and birthers.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

“The beauty of it is that Romney’s returns could be 100% legal and 100% above board in reporting his finances, but that the Democrats could *still* make him look bad for it.”

Then again, more people are paying attention to how bad Obama is as president.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

Yes they do.

Othea

August 2nd, 2012
9:55 am

Kool – Obama committed felonies by doing coke and he admitted it publicly. When are we going to see him prosecuted?

kayaker 71

August 2nd, 2012
9:55 am

The Clinton’s combined wealth now exceeds 100M dollars. John Kerry and his wife are worth over 750M and change. Al Gore has managed to parley global warming into a 100M dollar fortune. Nancy Pelosi and her husband are worth well over 35M, Diane Feinstein has amassed closed to 80M, Colin Powell 45M and the Bush family fortune stands at about 60M. JFK is supposed to have been worth nearly 1B dollars in trust money prior to being president. If wealth is the ax that liberals have to grind, there hasn’t been a Democratic president since Harry Truman who was worth less than several million dollars, placing him solidly in that evil 1% that liberals keep crowing about. Liberals, your indignation is pretty selective.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
9:56 am

Did you know that offshore bank accounts and investing in foreign companies are totally different things…of course you do…any fool knows that.

Gimme Gimme Gimme

August 2nd, 2012
9:56 am

“The majority of voters want to see those returns.” who watch MSNBC

“the majority of voters want to see Obama’s educational transcripts” who watch FOX

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

“Is Mitt a Felon?”

Good ole DNC talking points. Rachel Madcow would be so proud of you.

BTW, I saw Bookman on that show and this is how it went down.

Madcow: Jay Bookman joins us tonight from Atlanta. Jay, good to have you with us.

Bookman: Uh….uh…..phew…uh….uh….good…..uh…to be here…uhh…..

Madcow: What is going on down in GA?

Bookman: Uh…uh….phew…uh…uh…the extremists have ….uh…uh….taken over…uhh….

Pretty much the worst interview I’ve ever seen.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

“Yes they do.”

No they don’t.

Rock Gaines

August 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

Kyle, this is well thought-out. Your idea of a referendum to let voters in other counties decide on whether they want to join MARTA is a good one. I know this failed many years ago, but times change.

I really hope that just because T-SPLOST failed, the sense of urgency to solve the transportation problem does not fail.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 2nd, 2012
9:58 am

“Top 10 possible things Mitt is hiding by not showing his tax returns:”

1. Nothing
2. Nothing
3. Nothing
4. Nothing
5. Nothing
6. Nothing
7. Nothing
8. Nothing
9. Nothing
10. Nothing

There. Covered.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
9:58 am

And Logic, I suppose you didn’t see the problem with Dennis Hastert and the male interns? Or Larry Craig and the airport bathroom?

They were Republicans so all is good, right?

GFY

August 2nd, 2012
9:58 am

All righty since this has degenerated into a Bookman column……….

So the libs are up in arms about the tax rate a presidential nominee may have paid but yet not a word about the Treasury Secretary actually not paying his legally owed amount. That is rich……..pun intended.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:58 am

If I had a dog it would look like the one Obama ate.

Obama hates dogs.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
9:59 am

Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

How exactly did those folks get a hold of your info? From what I’ve read, it’s illegal for people to steal info from other folks on this blog.

iggy

August 2nd, 2012
9:59 am

If Bookmans hand picked extremeists had taken over GA they would of course be refered to as the moderates, just the every day man/woman/trans etc.

Choleen

August 2nd, 2012
9:59 am

No one cares about Obama doing coke as long as they get their check from the gub’menet. No one gives a hoot about Romney’s tax returns they just want to assure they will get their gub’ment check by reelecting their care giver Obama.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:00 am

“And Logic, I suppose you didn’t see the problem with Dennis Hastert and the male interns? Or Larry Craig and the airport bathroom?”

I love the diversions from the left. I’m also not sure what those people have to do with Romney.

Do tell.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 2nd, 2012
10:01 am

“Mitt’s tax returns might offer proof that he committed a crime.”

Or they might offer proof that Elvis is still alive, Finn.

Probably more the latter than the former.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:01 am

“Looks like it’s Bookman’s minions with nothing to do since he hasn’t produced a new blog in some time now.”

Pretty much. Like I said yesterday, some of them have been blogging for almost an entire decade. No life, no friends and no money.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:02 am

JDW — “Now Joe, Mittens is a smart guy. Do you really think he would keep taking the hits if he could just release say 10 years of nice clean “100% legal and 100% above board ” tax returns….”

He *is* a smart guy, which tells me that he’s worried about something in the returns becoming public knowledge. Again, it could be totally legal and totally above board, and yet he could recognize that it (whatever it is) would hurt him in the election.

I think he’s calculated that sweating it out and taking the hits is less damaging than whatever the tax returns show is likely to be.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:02 am

Logic

Hint: Kyle is not big on bloggers going after his counter parts at the AJC.

But do carry on

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:03 am

“which tells me that he’s worried about something in the returns becoming public knowledge.”

If you know that then could you please give us all the winning lotto numbers?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:04 am

“Kyle is not big on bloggers going after his counter parts at the AJC.”

I didn’t see that one in the rule booklet. I didn’t call Bookman any names. Just mocked his interview on Madcow’s show.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:05 am

Ironic is libs getting upset over Romney and taxes yet NOT ONE of you cared when Obama’s own staff members didn’t pay taxes and got caught.

Tim Geithner comes to mind.

Geithner voluntarily submitted to having his tax returns audited and he corrected all errors that were found in that audit and it was well publicized. Mitt, on the other hand, refuses to release his returns for scrutiny. Mitt is hiding his tax returns from the public for a reason and it clearly is a reason that Mitt believes to be harmful for his campaign. Even McCain turned him down as his VP candidate after reviewing his returns.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
10:05 am

@kayaker 71…”If wealth is the ax that liberals have to grind, there hasn’t been a Democratic president since Harry Truman who was worth less than several million dollars, placing him solidly in that evil 1% that liberals keep crowing about.”

It’s not about the wealth per se. It’s about the desire to pay less than one’s fair share in taxes. Ask anyone on your list if they support legislation that ensures that the wealthy pay a comparable tax rate to the working population and you will get a yes…ask Mittens et al the same question and you get a no. That’s the difference.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:05 am

Logic — “Then again, more people are paying attention to how bad Obama is as president.”

I’d start paying attention to the electoral vote map if I were you.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:05 am

Logic

Do what you have to do. I just figured I would pass on the information.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:07 am

“Geithner voluntarily submitted to having his tax returns audited and he corrected all errors that were found in that audit and it was well publicized. ”

Like I said, the left picks and chooses what to be outraged over.

” Even McCain turned him down as his VP candidate after reviewing his returns.”

Link please. I’ve never read that about McCain.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:08 am

Logic — “If you know that then could you please give us all the winning lotto numbers?”

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

No refunds. Satisfaction not guaranteed. :D

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:08 am

“I’d start paying attention to the electoral vote map if I were you.”

I will in November.

Oblama

August 2nd, 2012
10:09 am

The majority of voters would like to see Obama’s birth certificate…. yet to be produced. Romney would like to see Obama’s birth certificate……….. asked for but never produced. What are you hiding Obama?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:09 am

“Do what you have to do. I just figured I would pass on the information.”

Understood. I went and re-read Kyle’s rules and didn’t see anything about mocking other AJC writers. People do it all the time on Mark Bradley’s and Jeff Shultz’s blog. Pretty funny too because those two make fun of themselves as well.

JDW

August 2nd, 2012
10:09 am

@Joe…”I think he’s calculated that sweating it out and taking the hits is less damaging than whatever the tax returns show is likely to be.”

Agreed! But, I do think there is at least a 50/50 shot there is something in there that would cross the line. It might be drawing salary from Bain while “uninvolved”, contributing undervalued assets to his 401K or crossing the line on wealth transfer to his children. It is a target rich environment!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
10:09 am

Yeah, let’s hold a Presidential nominee to the exact same scrutiny we hold a cabinet member. You folks are grasping at straws.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:10 am

I’d like to see Obama’s grades since the left talks about how much smarter he is than the rest of us.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
10:10 am

Jon Stewart plowed into Harry Reid hard last night. Deservedly so.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:10 am

Logic — “Like I said, the left picks and chooses what to be outraged over.”

To be fair, only *some* of us are outraged over it. Personally, I think it’s a cagey political move on the part of Obama’s political team. They’ve clearly adopted the Rove tactic of going after your opponent’s strong points and undercutting them in any way possible.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

Maybe the left could do to Mitt what they did to Palin by going through his trash cans and having an entire newspaper staff read e-mails for a week only to come up with NUTHIN!!!!!!

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:12 am

” I think it’s a cagey political move on the part of Obama’s political team.”

And it’s not working. If it were, Obama would be way out in front instead of tied.

“They’ve clearly adopted the Rove tactic of going after your opponent’s strong points and undercutting them in any way possible.”

And if the economy was strong it would work. When Obama’s economic record is the worst since Jimmy Carters\’s, that strategy won’t work.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

Logic — “Maybe the left could do to Mitt what they did to Palin”

Come now; Governor Palin did *herself* in.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

Finn, I’d have to say that a Presidential nominee should be held at a minimum to the same standards we hold cabinet members, if not higher standards.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

“Jon Stewart plowed into Harry Reid hard last night.

And no one cares because Jon Stewart is an angry little man.

Erwin's cat

August 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

The majority of voters want to see those returns

No they don’t…only the left lunatic fringe

Brosephus™

August 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

“Where are those jobs, cons.”

Huh, so Obama is a Republican? I mean, he is the president who said that he would put a “laser-like focus” on the economy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w

Courtesy of Georgia’s own… Notice, he did say he had a plan to create private sector jobs. I don’t recall any plan being submitted yet. What gives?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:14 am

“Come now; Governor Palin did *herself* in.”

You totally missed my point.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:15 am

“Notice, he did say he had a plan to create private sector jobs. I don’t recall any plan being submitted yet. What gives?”

Not sure what that video has to do with the president of the United States.

kayaker 71

August 2nd, 2012
10:15 am

JDW, 10:05,

And just what would you call a “fair share”? The top 1% of taxpayers pay 21.2% of all federal taxes paid. The top 2-5% pay 14.5%. The top 5% pays 36%. The Bottom 50% pays 2.98%. Do you call this fair?

St Simons - we're on Island time

August 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

how many jerbs did those jerb-creators create with that hoarded monay?
i mean that’s the Republican ‘logic’ and all, ‘don’t punish the jerb creators

Again, its not what’s illegal about Lord High Hair-gel’s (no) taxes,
its what’s SO WRONG about it being legal.
what a pickle.
If he doesn’t show them, he’ll be 10 pts down by Oct 1st,
If he does show them, it’ll be over that flippin day.
Maybe you guys should try to run out the clock, like Little Nero
with a Cowboy Hat did.
Either way, Four More Years. Prepare the Hope Camps.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

kayaker 71

Ever notice that the left never asks Obama, Kerry or the Clinton’s to ever pay their fair share?

Funny ain’t it.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

“Either way, Four More Years. Prepare the Hope Camps.”

I can’t wait to watch libs cry in their government funded beer.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:18 am

“He has only released one year, to the McCain campaign he released 23 years. And he’s telling the people, ‘I’m not going to give you what I gave John McCain’s people in 2008.’ And when he gave them 23 years, John McCain’s campaign looked at it and went, ‘Let’s go with Sarah Palin.’ So whatever’s in there is far worse than just the first year.”

I heard Mitt can be heard mumbling “make it go away…” more frequently these days. It’s up to Mitt. Release the Kracken, Mitt. I mean, release the returns, Mitt.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:19 am

Logic — “And it’s not working. If it were, Obama would be way out in front instead of tied.”

This is why I keep telling you to look at the EV map. Obama’s gained significantly since he took that route.

“And if the economy was strong it would work. When Obama’s economic record is the worst since Jimmy Carters\’s, that strategy won’t work.”

I don’t know how old you are, but I voted for Reagan in 1980, and he didn’t just hammer on how crappy Carter was. He laid out plans, he explained what he wanted to do and he gave DETAILS. He drew a clear choice between Carter’s poor policies and his own.

Romney hasn’t done that. He’s woefully short on details and specifics, and from what I can tell, he seems to be relying on voter discomfort with Obama’s policies to do all the heavy lifting for him. Well, for someone who’s light on foreign policy and military experience, I’d think Romney could at least lay out some details — but on the few occasions that he has, they get blown away.

An alleged business whiz like Romney shouldn’t have so much trouble putting out a detailed plan. And he should be getting better marks from economists when he does. Obama’s not doing a great job, but from what I can see, Romney’s all sizzle and no steak.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 2nd, 2012
10:19 am

Maybe the left could do to Mitt what they did to Palin by going through his trash cans and having an entire newspaper staff read e-mails for a week only to come up with NUTHIN!!!!!!

That’s on the to-do list.

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:19 am

Logic — “You totally missed my point.”

Then please, by all means, elaborate.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:20 am

I can’t wait to watch libs cry in their government funded beer.

That GOP-approved AG bill is far-reaching.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
10:20 am

St. Simons… Hope Camps :lol: And with recent changes in women’s healthcare, they should be even more fun, right? :lol: Cue the poutrage and the troll posts in 3….2…1….

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:21 am

Ever notice that the left never asks Obama, Kerry or the Clinton’s to ever pay their fair share?

Obama pays his fair share per his released tax returns.

Erwin's cat

August 2nd, 2012
10:22 am

Mitt is playing the left with the tax returns…

Income taxers of left are helping sway the independents toward Mitt

Brosephus™

August 2nd, 2012
10:22 am

Not sure what that video has to do with the president of the United States.

That doesn’t surprise me. That video was in response to the 2010 campaign on jobs. Your attempt to paint it as a presidential issue is only half the case. I’m merely pointing out that the president wasn’t the only one focused on creating jobs. The fact is, neither party has done jack.

That said, I’ll let y’all partisans do what y’all do best….

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:23 am

“Obama pays his fair share per his released tax returns.”

Double standard much?

kayaker 71

August 2nd, 2012
10:24 am

Probably the best all around president that we have ever had in this country was Harry Truman. David McCullough’s biography is a stunning read. Among other instances of humility that he exhibited was his refusal to accept free postage or charge for speeches given after he was out of the WH. He retired to his boyhood home in Independence, Mo with a yearly federal stipend of $17,500. Harry, we could sure use you now.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:24 am

“I heard Mitt can be heard mumbling “make it go away…” more frequently these days. It’s up to Mitt. Release the Kracken, Mitt. I mean, release the returns, Mitt.”

You should really post a link to the quote above that last remark, Numbers. Remember, Kyle doesn’t like it when people post something without the proper link.

Thanks

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:25 am

“And no one cares because Jon Stewart is an angry little man.”

He could be, but you were surely know about that

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:25 am

“This is why I keep telling you to look at the EV map. Obama’s gained significantly since he took that route.”

We’ll see come November.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:26 am

“That video was in response to the 2010 campaign on jobs. Your attempt to paint it as a presidential issue is only half the case.”

You responded to MY quote that Obama said in 2008 and 2009, Bro. Make sense?

St Simons - we're on Island time

August 2nd, 2012
10:27 am

‘government funded beer.’

no, dude. Those govt funds were diverted to the Snoop Dawg concert
on the white house lawn. It starts about 10 min after the polls close.
Saaaaang it – ’snoop dawwwwgy dawwwwg

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:27 am

“The fact is, neither party has done jack.”

Unemployment was MUCH lower under Bush for 8 years. I’d go with Bush over Obama any day of the week when it comes to the economy.

Your guys knows NOTHING about how the economy works.

“You didn’t build that, someone else did” -BHO

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:28 am

“He could be, but you were surely know about that”

English please.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:29 am

“Cue the poutrage and the troll posts”

Name calling alert! Name calling alert!

Brosephus™

August 2nd, 2012
10:29 am

You responded to MY quote that Obama said in 2008 and 2009, Bro. Make sense?

I responded to your quote that you were responding to someone else’s quote about conservatives. It makes perfect sense. I just didn’t want to go through the hassle of posting every post on that subject. That’s why I also included the quote you responded to. I didn’t just respond to your quote only. Go back and look.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:29 am

“Unemployment was MUCH lower under Bush for 8 years. I’d go with Bush over Obama any day of the week when it comes to the economy.”

Has Jeb or Neil Bush entered the race?

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:30 am

Double standard much?

Given Mitt’s failure to release the comparable returns as President Obama, yes, there does appear to be a double standard at work.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:30 am

Logic just like “Joseph” is too funny

:-)

Oblama

August 2nd, 2012
10:30 am

Birth certificate never produced…. what’s Obama hiding? You say nothing? Then I say Romney, ta records never produced….. what’s Romney hiding? Using your logic, I say nothing. Case closed. This election is not about birth certificates and tax records. It’s about the economy and who has a clue how to turn things around. Obama is a trial lawyer…….. knows little to nothing about economics. Like Samuel L. Jackson said in Ebony magazine “Obama has no (bleep, bleep ) plan to save the economy. I voted for him ’cause he’s black.” Fine, I ‘m voting for Romney but not ’cause he’s white but because Obama’s clueless.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:31 am

Oblama

Still crying over the birth certificate bs?

But your not a “birther”, right?

JOE COOL............

August 2nd, 2012
10:32 am

Been a good little min since I’ve been on here…. I see the party has moved over here temporarily.
WHAT I miss?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:33 am

“Given Mitt’s failure to release the comparable returns as President Obama, yes, there does appear to be a double standard at work.”

Like I said before, if Mitt hadn’t paid his taxes the IRS would have been after him decades ago.

Wake me up when you actually have proof of Mitt not paying taxes.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:33 am

You should really post a link to the quote above that last remark, Numbers. Remember, Kyle doesn’t like it when people post something without the proper link.

Logic,

Please specify the precise quote that you seek a link to. After all, I didn’t build it, someone else did.

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2012
10:34 am

Another fail for Obama:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/01/us/syria-rebels-us-aid/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

STOP POLICING THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD

We have too many problems here at home to worry about.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:34 am

Did Obama ever shut down Gitmo like he promised back in 08?

T-SPLOST

August 2nd, 2012
10:35 am

T-DONE. Not to be revisited. The voters have had enough government WASTE.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:36 am

“He has only released one year, to the McCain campaign he released 23 years. And he’s telling the people, ‘I’m not going to give you what I gave John McCain’s people in 2008.’ And when he gave them 23 years, John McCain’s campaign looked at it and went, ‘Let’s go with Sarah Palin.’ So whatever’s in there is far worse than just the first year.”

THAT ONE, NUMBERS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Erwin's cat

August 2nd, 2012
10:36 am

So when Mitt releases his tax returns and it shows that over the past 10 years he has paid over $100M in taxes and gave over $100M to charity … then what?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 2nd, 2012
10:37 am

If the liberals are reporting Mr. Romney to the tax man, it would probably be wise if the tax man checked out the liberals first, just sayin…

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:37 am

Like I said before, if Mitt hadn’t paid his taxes the IRS would have been after him decades ago.

You have no proof to support that claim unless you claim to have access to the names of the persons that the IRS goes after. Do you, Logic. Wake up yourself.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:37 am

Are any of the bloggers ex employees of Cox or any of their affiliates?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:38 am

Like I said earlier, Obama is spending a ton of money on ads and they’re not working.

Rove: The Obama Ad Blitz Isn’t Working
Three months and $131 million in spending haven’t moved the president’s poll numbers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577563002812933574.html

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:38 am

“then what?”

They’ll still cry and whine like they always do.

Brosephus™

August 2nd, 2012
10:39 am

then what?

Move on to the next target. That’s the way modern politics operates.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:40 am

“You have no proof to support that claim”

Mitt’s never been in trouble with the IRS.

Check. Mate.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:40 am

” Wake up yourself.”

You sure do sound a lot like HDB. Always chasing rabbits down holes etc.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:41 am

So when Mitt releases his tax returns and it shows that over the past 10 years he has paid over $100M in taxes and gave over $100M to charity … then what?

Then I would calculate his tax rate to determine whether or not he paid his fair share on that income. As for his giving to charity, that’s between him and his church. I think charitable contributions to churches should not be tax deductible as a matter of maintaining a clearer separation between church and state. Nor should Olympic horse training expenses be deductible by you people.

Jane Doe

August 2nd, 2012
10:41 am

T-SPLOST Most people only know it was a big spending tax the politicians want ……….. just send me your pay check and we will send you back what we don’t need. Good luck with that. #1 reason this failed? DISTRUST of the government – be it state or Federal Government. If a politician’s lips are moving they are probably telling an untruth.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
10:43 am

Move on to the next target. That’s the way modern politics operates

Bro, not always….sometimes they just claim its a fake… see: birthers. :roll:

Joe Mama

August 2nd, 2012
10:43 am

Logic — “We’ll see come November.”

Indeed.

“Unemployment was MUCH lower under Bush for 8 years.”

And job losses were higher. In fact, during the entirety of his administration, the monthly new jobs figures only exceeded the 150K/month figure (the minimum needed just to keep up with population growth) 25% of the time.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:43 am

http://projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/maps/?mod=wsj_elections_2012_nav#r=pres&v=states

Yep not working.

From the same WSJ. Check out the map than click on the swing states:

OH, FL, WI, VA……………. yes you guessed it, Romney is not leading

hahahahahahah

So what did Rove have to say?

You can go to his website and he doesn’t have Romney winning

hahahahaa

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:44 am

“Then I would calculate his tax rate to determine whether or not he paid his fair share on that income.”

There is nothing in the tax code about paying a fair share or anything.

” I think charitable contributions to churches should not be tax deductible”

Then again, no one cares if you like it or not.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:44 am

Everyone be good

If “Joseph” stops in, tell him I said hello

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:44 am

You sure do sound a lot like HDB. Always chasing rabbits down holes etc.

You silly rabbit. You call those “holes” that you dig. :lol:

Jane Doe

August 2nd, 2012
10:44 am

This blog is not about tax returns today…….. slander Romney on Jay’s site if you have to – we don’t need your conspiracy theories, gossip and lies here.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:45 am

“OH, FL, WI, VA……………. yes you guessed it, Romney is not leading”

Then again, it’s August. Not November.

Erwin's cat

August 2nd, 2012
10:45 am

Numbers – That’s up to the IRS to decide, not you or sense of right and wrong…or is it right or left?

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:46 am

“You silly rabbit.”

HATE SPEECH! Calling someone a rabbit is racist.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:46 am

Then again, no one cares if you like it or not.

You should change your blog name then, for clarification.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:47 am

Logic

Right leaning bloggers have been saying that for two months

“It is only June”, “It is only July” now “It is only Aug”………….. I’m sure even you get the picture

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:47 am

“You should change your blog name then, for clarification.”

Ok, sure HDB.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:48 am

Jane Doe

Then instead of crying about what others post, contribute to the topic

Just saying

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:48 am

“Right leaning bloggers have been saying that for two months”

Left leaning bloggers claimed that Dems would hold the House and Senate in 2010. Didn’t happen. Polls showed Dems leading in those polls.

Left leaning bloggers claimed that Walker would lose in Wisconsin….twice.

Didn’t happen.

Polls have a funny way of being wrong. Again, it’s August.

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
10:49 am

“contribute to the topic

What topic? There are 4-5 topics right now. Be specific.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:49 am

What polls?

Polls showed Dems losing in 2010 and Walker winning?

next topic

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:50 am

That’s up to the IRS to decide, not you or sense of right and wrong…or is it right or left?

Contrary to popular con opinion, the IRS does not decide what is “fair”. They decide what meets their determination of compliant per existing code and whether or not to pursue any activity they deem not to be compliant with the code. I, on the other hand, am free to assess published returns and determine whether I think the results are fair, as is anyone else. If only we had Mitt’s returns so we could each make that determination for ourselves.

El Mongol

August 2nd, 2012
10:50 am

They SUCK – You mean the right sucks. Never seen you criticize the left ONCE – at least not in the last year. If I’m wrong prove it. Be honest and change to The RIGHT SUCKS. hehehehhehhehehe!!!!

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:50 am

“Polls showed Dems leading in those polls.”

Link?

Thought so

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 2nd, 2012
10:51 am

There are legal ways to postpone, defer or exempt income from taxes. This is not an issue. Time to move on to something else.
Like, why do we want to elect a corporate vulture as president.
Or why would we want someone totally inept in foreign policy and public relations (diplomacy) skills as president.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:53 am

El Mogol

You go back at look it up. I have said numerous times that the Democrats govern no better than the Republicans. Never said I didn’t lean left, but Democrats are as corrupt as Republicans

Called out Obama for taking Super Pac money after crying about the Republicans do it.

So whatever “sock puppet” name you are using because you do not wish to let us know your usual blog name, you are lying.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
10:53 am

“You should change your blog name then, for clarification.”

Ok, sure HDB.

Logic,

You appear to be having difficulty keeping up with your replies.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 2nd, 2012
10:55 am

” I, on the other hand, am free to assess published returns and determine whether I think the results are fair, as is anyone else. If only we had Mitt’s returns so we could each make that determination for ourselves.”

Numbers, you ALREADY think the tax code and Romney’s rate is unfair. Seeing his returns will not change your mind, nor that of anyone else, therefore, it is a waste of time for Romney to succumb to the Peeping Tom’s on the left.

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2012
10:58 am

So when Mitt releases his tax returns and it shows that over the past 10 years he has paid over $100M in taxes and gave over $100M to charity … then what?

Pure speculation, but I imagine someone(s) will clarify just what percentage of that charity was, in fact, directed the LDS.

Not that there’s anything illegal/immoral/fattening about that of course. But it will remind everyone that when you hear about how incredibly “charitable” conservatives are (allegedly), it’s due to their willingness to fork over a lot of money in support of their Sky Friends’ private clubs.

/drive-by

Erwin's cat

August 2nd, 2012
10:59 am

Numbers = Birther

md

August 2nd, 2012
10:59 am

“Reid didn’t make that assertion, he claimed that a Bain associate had made this assertion. So it’s heresay on his part, but he never claimed otherwise.”

Well, if he knows it’s hearsay on his part, then there is only one reason he even threw it out there…….raw meat for the gullible.

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 2nd, 2012
10:59 am

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
10:50 am
“Polls showed Dems leading in those polls.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Piggy Sue Too

August 2nd, 2012
11:00 am

The only returns that count are in November .. polls and minds change. There are skeletons yet to be found in the closet. Stay tuned.

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
11:01 am

He said that the other author Romney cited, Harvard economist David Landes, would find Romney’s thesis that culture accounts for economic differences “dangerously out of date.”

Romney, speaking to a crowd — which included GOP mega-donor Sheldon Adelson — of about 40 Sunday at the famed King David Hotel, talked about why the Palestinians and Israelis had such drastically different levels of economic development.

Oh. So now Mitt’s nonsensical rants about culture are taking shape. He was just sucking up to that Maccau casino owner, Sheldon Adelson, that is currently under investigation for suspected illegal activities. Has Mitt promised to make Sheldon’s “troubles” go away if he gets elected. Inquiring minds want to know.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 2nd, 2012
11:02 am

Seeing his returns will not change your mind, nor that of anyone else, therefore, it is a waste of time for Romney to succumb to the Peeping Tom’s on the left.

Have to disagree. Mitt has already been previously shown to make false statements about his tax returns and to be deceptive. The voters are entitled to know more than what the “rate” is but also if false claims have been made.

I can agree that there is nothing in those returns likely to change your mind and my mind, but there are many who may change their mind based on what is revealed.

Thug

August 2nd, 2012
11:03 am

My GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGreat grandpappy was the “second” slave
of this nation…when do i get repatriated?

who’s got sharpie’s # (or spike le)

Numbers-R-US

August 2nd, 2012
11:03 am

Numbers = Birther

Erwin,

I am not interested in Obama’s birth certificate. I’m interested in Mitt’s tax returns and I think Mitt should also release his birth certificate just to be fair to Obama since he already has released his.

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 2nd, 2012
11:04 am

Mitt has no legal obligation to release his returns, and there is probably nothing illegal in them, but he is losing a lot of votes by not releasing them.
But then, he may lose more votes if he does release them.

El Mongol

August 2nd, 2012
11:06 am

Sucks – baloney. You are a liberal for Obama. We all know it. Why the deceit? Just come out of the closet for Obama. Be proud.

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 2nd, 2012
11:06 am

My guess is the returns will show a lot of money put in off shore tax shelters. May or may not be illegal. But will cost him a lot of votes if people find out he did that, if he did.

Kyle Wingfield

August 2nd, 2012
11:06 am

It appears y’all got a head start on the topic I was writing about upstairs.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

August 2nd, 2012
11:06 am

Israel has a culture of peace.

The Palestinians have a culture of violence.

Don’t have a problem with Mitt’s statement at all.

md

August 2nd, 2012
11:07 am

“Other folks who have offshore accounts”

I’m a man of meager existence, but even I have a foreign account and trade in foreign stocks. For those that may have missed it, we now live in a global economy and like daddy used to say…..don’t put all your eggs in one basket.

@@

August 2nd, 2012
11:08 am

Actually…

Reid said the person told him: “Harry, he didn’t pay any taxes for 10 years.”

“He didn’t pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that’s true? Well, I’m not certain,” Reid told HuffPo. “But obviously he can’t release those tax returns. How would it look?”

Like he’s keeping his powder dry until he can see the whites of Obama’s eyes?

(Not intended as a racial slur against Obama)

Piedmont South from North Georgia

August 2nd, 2012
11:09 am

Since Mitt has chosen not to release his returns. That leaves it open for voters and the media to speculate on what might be in them. It’s all speculation since nobody but the IRS, his accountants, and John McCain and his staff know.

They BOTH suck

August 2nd, 2012
11:10 am

Mongol

Did you vote for Romney in the primary?

Oblama

August 2nd, 2012
11:11 am

El Mongol – TBS already came out and said TBS leaned to the left. Already admitted it – you just missed it. Obama has TBS in his pocket unless something unknown (really, really bad) comes up. Occasionally TBS does take the politicians like Reid & Pelosi to task – though rare. Say – 98% comments against the right and 2% against the left.

md

August 2nd, 2012
11:14 am

“So when Mitt releases his tax returns and it shows that over the past 10 years he has paid over $100M in taxes and gave over $100M to charity … then what?”

Then, based on agenda, it will be converted to a percentage of something to distort it…..and both sides play that game.

Erwin's cat

August 2nd, 2012
11:19 am

stands for dB – I’m sure Mitt gave at least 10% to his church, I assume you’d prefer he gave that money to one of YOUR approved charities instead? Where’s your next windmill Don?

Duper

August 2nd, 2012
11:22 am

I trust little Barry

Logic was never intended for libs

August 2nd, 2012
11:40 am

“Mitt has already been previously shown to make false statements about his tax returns and to be deceptive.”

No he hasn’t.

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August 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm

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n8whit

August 4th, 2012
11:44 pm

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