Poll Position: What’s your vote on the T-SPLOST?

OK, folks, it’s once again time to declare.

If you live in metro Atlanta, what is your vote on the T-SPLOST?

  • No (350 Votes)
  • Yes (215 Votes)
  • Still unsure (27 Votes)

Total Voters: 592

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Tuesday is T-SPLOST day across the state, and by late Tuesday/very early Wednesday we should know whether it passed in any of the state’s 12 regions, including the 10 counties of metro Atlanta.

If you’re not up to speed on what this is about, well, I can only assume you don’t live in Georgia and/or have just been released from several months of solitary confinement. I don’t have much more to say about it that I haven’t said in the past: see here and here for the many pieces I’ve written about T-SPLOST.

If you don’t want my opinion, check out the AJC’s compilation of reporting about what the 10-year, $7.2 billion sales tax would mean for transportation infrastructure and traffic relief in metro Atlanta.

If you live elsewhere in Georgia, what is your vote on the T-SPLOST?

  • No (167 Votes)
  • Yes (67 Votes)
  • Still unsure (6 Votes)

Total Voters: 240

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So, vote in the nearby polls. Yes, polls — plural. I’m posting one poll for those who live in metro Atlanta, and another for those who live anywhere else in Georgia. I know, I know, Savannah and Athens and Rome and all the rest are entirely different and deserve their own polls. But 12 polls on one Poll Position post would be way too unwieldy. And I’m going to make a request of those of you who don’t vote in Georgia: Please don’t vote in this poll — it ain’t scientific, but it’s all I’ve got — but feel free to comment in the thread below.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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260 comments Add your comment

Jeffrey

July 27th, 2012
10:34 am

Mr. Holmes

July 27th, 2012
10:34 am

I live in Region 3 (metro ATL) and am voting yes. Is it perfect? No. Does it satisfy everyone? No. But it’s time to stop kicking the can down the road.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 27th, 2012
10:35 am

I vote no for no more TSplotch blog topics!

richard

July 27th, 2012
10:36 am

I live in Cobb and will be voting YES. It is not perfect but I believe it will move us forward.

Jeffrey

July 27th, 2012
10:38 am

I’m voting for it. I live in the city, less than half mile to belt line As much as I love laughing at otpers and the commutes they endure, I think it is best for the city as a whole. I want Atlanta to get its mojo back and hope this helps our city become a destination again for businesses and smart folks.

carlosgvv

July 27th, 2012
10:43 am

Absolutely no. Especially since we’ve learned many of the “improvements” aren’t even starting till 2018 and 2019. By then, pols figure, corectly, that most voters will have forgotten all about this issue and their vote.

Mr. Holmes

July 27th, 2012
10:47 am

I’ve heard several people in the last few days — left-leaning but by no means raging liberal types — say the outcome of this vote determines whether they will stay in Atlanta long-term. I think you can reasonably extend that sentiment out to the entire business community, hence the widespread chamber of commerce support for the referendum.

Kyle, I realize you’ve already gone on record against it, but I hope conservatives will for once acknowledge that roads & bridges & infrastructure don’t just magically appear. Channel your inner Eisenhower, for pete’s sake. Ga government is dominated by the Right anyway, so it’s not like the funds will be in the hands of those dreaded socialists. Let’s step up to our civic duty for a change.

Bobb

July 27th, 2012
10:48 am

Placing any tax on those that get little or no benefit is unacceptable. Highway tax money should come only from those that use the roads and in porportion to that use – gasoline taxes, vehicle registrations, etc.

Jimmy62

July 27th, 2012
10:54 am

Just looking at the list of projects, too many of them cost a lot of money and don’t seem like they’ll do much to improve transportation. Throwing money at the problem isn’t good enough, try again.

Road Scholar

July 27th, 2012
10:55 am

carlosgvv: Most of the projects that would be accelerated with Tsplost monies are not in design, property acquisition, etc. now. The Tsplost projects that do not have federal monies attached do not have the stringent environmental analysis and report approvals. Those bigger projects do. Also, while public involvement and input is not required, the state and locals would be stupid to skip that normal step.These steps delay projects implementation. Also, the revenue comes in each month so , under the recent ruling by the AG that a project must have all the money needed to construct in the bank before going to construction, that will also delay earlier implementation.

To accelerate those projects that get funded on the tail end, bonds could be sold at the present low rates, to get the money earlier. Of course that would deflect some money to interest payments.All projects are suppose to be finished at the 10 year expiration of the program.

Kyle Wingfield

July 27th, 2012
10:56 am

Mr. Holmes @ 10:47: Actually, I’m on record against it because I don’t think the project list is adequate. I’m not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. I’m saying the mediocre — this list — is the enemy of the good.

Kyle Wingfield

July 27th, 2012
10:59 am

carlosgvv: I agree with Road @ 10:55 on this one. If you like the list, you should vote “yes” — on the whole, these projects will be built much sooner with the T-SPLOST than otherwise.

MarkV

July 27th, 2012
10:59 am

“Placing any tax on those that get little or no benefit is unacceptable. Highway tax money should come only from those that use the roads and in porportion to that use – gasoline taxes, vehicle registrations, etc.”

The issue is not just highway tax money.
http://atlantaga.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=4561

Road Scholar

July 27th, 2012
11:02 am

Bobb: How does your food get to you? How does your clothes TV’s, cars,gasoline…etc. get to you? How do your children get to school, doctor, soccer, etc.? By road. (some may actually walk or take transit also) Maybe goods come by plane or train first, but they are distributed to the stores or your home by road. You don’t think that congestion is not a part of the prices you pay? Not apart of the delay you incur sitting in traffic?

carlosgvv

July 27th, 2012
11:03 am

Road – 10:55
Kyle – 10:59

Both of you are making the HUGE assunption that our politicians will actually spend this money where it’s being voted on and not on their pet pork projects and personal property improvements.

Kyle Wingfield

July 27th, 2012
11:06 am

carlosgvv: Is the Internet reception good in your bunker?

Road Scholar

July 27th, 2012
11:06 am

Kyle: Did you attend any public meeting, on line meeting or make comment to the list as it was being vetted to the public BEFORE the list was approved? Did any of the people against the tax? I did! What did Mayor Reed say…200,000 people made comments.

As the Rolling Stones put…You always don’t get what you want! And how would they know what you want if one doesn’t provide input?

iggy

July 27th, 2012
11:07 am

I love the latest TSplost commercials. In so many words…”do it for the children/family”. Typical liberal pandering.

TSplost…NO!!

omg

July 27th, 2012
11:07 am

OMG votes NO!

Kyle Wingfield

July 27th, 2012
11:07 am

Road @ 11:06: So everyone should vote for it because they could have attended a meeting? (Where their comments were not necessarily recorded or even aired, btw.) In that case, why bother with voting — let’s just hold a bunch of meetings!

GaTech Student

July 27th, 2012
11:08 am

Voting YES!

I’m ready to stop sitting in traffic.

iggy

July 27th, 2012
11:08 am

Oh…and the commercials in some confusing manner relate that TSplost will somehow reduce or limit future increases on the gasoline tax.

LOL…such misinformation.

MarkV

July 27th, 2012
11:08 am

carlosgvv @ 11:03 am
“Both of you are making the HUGE assunption that our politicians will actually spend this money where it’s being voted on and not on their pet pork projects and personal property improvements.”

According to that logic, we should not give money to the government for anything. We might as well dissolve it, right?

Chick-fil-A: Not A Choice

July 27th, 2012
11:09 am

Anything that will take away from my financial ability to purchase that Chick-fil-A taste for which my birth-given libido CRAVES, such as this corrupt, asinine Sales Tax proposal that will NEVER die or go away, gets a resounding “No” vote from me.

GOD made me lust after Chick-fil-A.

I can’t help it.

Kyle Wingfield

July 27th, 2012
11:09 am

More seriously, Road, I think the conversation after a list has been compiled is bound to be different from any conversation beforehand. I think that’s probably why these things tend to fail once before being passed the second time.

Road Scholar

July 27th, 2012
11:12 am

carlosgov: The law states that it can only be used for those projects. The Lt Gov and head of the state Senate will appoint a 5 person oversight committee to ensure the monies are wisely spent and the projects are delivered on time and on/under budget. Have you sent in your letter asking to be on the citizens committee? The only name that has been suggested that I have heard is Clark Howard…that would be perfect since he can get dollars out if a turnip! How about Pierre Howard since he was well respected by both sides ?

A Realist

July 27th, 2012
11:12 am

Kyle,
The list is probably as close to ‘Pareto Optimal’ as it can get.
So if you make it more perfect for you, someone else will likely be disadvantaged.
That’s what happens in a political compromise – which this is. It’s as good as it’s gonna get.

Contrary to your statements, there is no Plan B. If there is one show it to me now!

Chick-fil-A: Not A Choice

July 27th, 2012
11:12 am

see also: The GA 400 Toll Booths that were “promised” by our State government to removed back by August 2004 when GA 400 was paid in full

Were the toll booths still there when you drove by this morning?

iggy

July 27th, 2012
11:12 am

“According to that logic, we should not give money to the government for anything. We might as well dissolve it, right?”

Based on lack of govt integrity, responsbility, honesty etc., the answer to your question is…(drum roll please)…for the most part, Yes!

sircharles

July 27th, 2012
11:12 am

I live in Cobb County, I also live in the state of Georgia. With all of the major highways we have that is already in use; there is no way you can untie-Atlanta! Now, the officials who is pushing this TSPLOST knows it; all of you who will vote yes, for the next 10 years and longer you will be footing the bills, funding, the roadbocks, tie-ups, wrecks, etc., off of your 1c taxes added on to what you already pay now. I asked myself, since I been living here 1998, I have seen no improvements on either of the major highways, they were merely resurfaced, widen but still we are in the same mess now as it was back when I came here. So here is my questions…………….where did all of the money go that the Federal Government gave to the state of Georiga. Since it was not used, was it placed into an escrow? Instead of all of Georiga tax payers adding on more taxes to pay, why not use a portion of that money to build “street cars, ARC, Beltline, etc for anything else you want to “Untie” because the more money you take from us as tax payers, you will never use the money you now have in stockpile. Voting no on this TSPLOST is the wright way to go; it will force all those big boys to actually come forth and tell us the truth!

Dusty

July 27th, 2012
11:13 am

I report….10:35

I agree. No more T-SPLOST blog topics.. Enough chicken has been fried also.

Let’s see. Topic? How about “Is Luckovich from Mars? Can’t we send him back?”

Chick-fil-A: Not A Choice

July 27th, 2012
11:14 am

Once the State gets all the “promised” road construction and mass transit projects completed and paid in full, they will find new excuses for which to keep the tax in place to fund other, completely-UNrelated projects and buy votes from the lazy and the gullible.

The State has lied to us before.

They will lie to us again this time.

Vote “NO!” to T-SPLOST on Tuesday, and spend your money on the people you love instead.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 27th, 2012
11:15 am

Looking forward to Wed, to hear the bitter reaction from the elites and the threats they make about making us live with our decision.

Jefferson

July 27th, 2012
11:15 am

Atlanta needs the jobs, tax your way back to employment — that’s the GA GOP solution.

Road Scholar

July 27th, 2012
11:16 am

Kyle: Other than transit versus road, I have not read one comment in any blog that said that people/bloggers even attended any meeting or comment during the lead up to the final list. It is one thing to comment. It is another thing to comment and your comment is dismissed. Hindsight is always 20-20…after the fact. As God told a lottery player who complained that he had not won a lottery…Meet me half way…buy a ticket!

iggy

July 27th, 2012
11:17 am

“Senate will appoint a 5 person oversight committee” Oh yes, another Blue Ribbon commission, like in Revenge of the Nerds,

“Instead, I’m going to organize a special blue ribbon, fact-finding commission made up of myself and miss betty childs. We will get to the bottom of this dastardly deed.”

Mr. Holmes

July 27th, 2012
11:18 am

But Kyle, if my recall of your arguments is accurate, you think the project list is mediocre because too much goes to transit, which of course is the opposite position of Sierra Club, which opposes (stupidly, IMO) because they think too little goes to transit.

It’s a political question, which is why I believe this is as good as it will get for both sides. We have been widening roads, building more freeways & interchanges, extending asphalt further & further out into the piedmont, for FORTY YEARS. Let’s put some modicum of resources into trying something different, while at the same time making improvements that acknowledge the city’s commuting realities.

zeke

July 27th, 2012
11:18 am

First and foremost, THIS BOONDOGGLE DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC CONGESTION! There is too much allocated for marta expansion, yes, all the bus/rail/trolley/beltline projects are nothing more than the expansion of marta, A TOTALLY FAILED SYSTEM! I no longer live in Atlanta, THANK GOD, but I did for more than 10 years. I rode marta maybe 3 or 4 times in that decade! It offered nothing to me, nor does it to 99% of the population! And these projects of the tax are simply to force marta into Cobb, Gwinnett, Cherokee and others who have repeatedly voted against such! Call it racist, but, it is not! It is about keeping the cities and towns safe from the criminal element that uses it to rob, steal, rape, murder and make a clean getaway! One of the few times I rode the train was when with 3 other couples my wife and I got on the train at Lennox and just rode down toward town and returned! When you see the people that get off/on at Lennox, it is obvious that they are not there for the restaurants, or, the shopping at Lennox or Phipps! That is what the other cities and counties DO NOT WANT COMING TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A SUBSIDIZED PASS!

The only way to improve congestion is to build the outer loop, build some direct route roads to take traffic not destined to downtown away from the perimeter, not to it! Paulding made a great proposal for a 75N to 75S bypass that would be less expensive and make a large dent in the congestion! This is the type projects we need, not more marta and more subsidies! It has been some time, so I may not be accurate to the penny on these figures. Just before or just after I moved from the area, the marta board was bragging how they had ended the year with a $12 million surplus. But, in the same article they were telling the truth. Marta had received $166 million from the 1% tax. THEY ACTUALLY LOST $144 MILLION! THIS WE CANNOT AFFORD!

VOTE NO!

MarkV

July 27th, 2012
11:19 am

iggy @11:12 am
“According to that logic, we should not give money to the government for anything. We might as well dissolve it, right?”
“Based on lack of govt integrity, responsbility, honesty etc., the answer to your question is…(drum roll please)…for the most part, Yes!”

I thought this blog was meant to be for mature comments.

A Realist

July 27th, 2012
11:19 am

….and the GA400 booths were put up by the DOT, with no input from the public. No vote, no choice … just pay it! The promise to remove the booths was made without any backing of laws. All it took to break the promise was just to do it. You know what political promises are, yes?

Just like gas taxes – if they go up, you have no control over where the money is spent, except by voting for the politicians who appoint the DOT board. And since there is scant money available from our gas taxes for road construction, you can expect that tax to rise! The population isn’t getting smaller.

Road Scholar

July 27th, 2012
11:21 am

Dusty: Why, do you miss him? (Tee Hee)

A Realist: Good Post.

Sir Charles: Go to GDOT and see their detailed budgets and list of expenditures. The only Fed funds stockpiled are those waiting for the project that they are assigned to to go to construction!!!

Jefferson

July 27th, 2012
11:24 am

The US would never have made it to the moon if the GOP acted like they do today back then. No vision for a future. Tax or not, they have forgotton why they are there.

Chick-fil-A: Not A Choice

July 27th, 2012
11:25 am

Are all the AJC writers and reporters now voting for this extra tax while boycotting & by-passing Chick-fil-A as they drive on already-paid-in-full State & Federal roads to the nearest abortion clinics, McDonald’s, gay-bar places and local headquarters for 0bama Re-Election Campaign?

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

July 27th, 2012
11:25 am

Vote Yes for another permanent 1% sales tax increase!!

Hillbilly D

July 27th, 2012
11:27 am

By now, everybody ought to pretty well know where everybody else stands on this.

The Austrian Brotherhood

July 27th, 2012
11:28 am

Without T-Splost how will the children with cancer get their medicine? Do you really want to be be directly responsible for the death of a child? If you’re not a baby killer, then VOTE YES on T-Splost.

iggy

July 27th, 2012
11:28 am

“I thought this blog was meant to be for mature comments.”

Thank you! If the govt were a private corp they would be bankrupt, kaput, defunct and the reasons for such are almost infinite.

massachusetts refugee

July 27th, 2012
11:28 am

No. No to another penny on every dollar I spend. No to a poorly thought out list of “projects” (a control tower for McCollum? Really??) No to lining the pockets of politicians and politician’s cronies.

A Realist

July 27th, 2012
11:29 am

Zeke,
If you don’t live in the area – you don’t have a dog in this hunt….
And if you use a MARTA train as a getaway vehicle – you’ve found a great way to get caught.

Since most crooks like to use automobiles, we shouldn’t build any roads so they can’t get away easily. If Paulding wants an outer perimeter, let ‘em pay for it the same way Fulton and DeKalb pay for MARTA.

Aquagirl

July 27th, 2012
11:29 am

When you see the people that get off/on at Lennox, it is obvious that they are not there for the restaurants, or, the shopping at Lennox or Phipps!

Anyone want to make a wild guess how zeke figured out “those people” were up to no good? Golly gee, I can’t imagine what clues zeke used.