The work of a madman
The accused Colorado gunman appears in court Monday. AP Photo
The suspect in Friday’s horrific shooting at a Colorado movie theater appeared in court today and didn’t speak a word. Police have said he isn’t speaking while in their custody, either, so it could be some time before we learn whether there was any kind of motivation for the man charged with murdering (as of now) 12 people and wounding dozens more.
My rule of thumb in these cases, absent any evidence, is to begin by assuming they are the work of madmen with thoughts and beliefs unthinkable to the vast, vast majority of us. Until investigators and reporters closer to the situation uncover more about the accused, I would argue that’s a good working basis for all of us.
At Hot Air, Mary Katharine Ham has compiled an excellent series of brief sketches from various news outlets about the 12 who have died so far (there are others with life-threatening wounds), complete with photos. I’m struck that survivors said five of the 12 died protecting others, including two soldiers and a Navy veteran who gave their lives.
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This post is rather late in the day and pretty brief, and there are reasons for that. Among other things, I have a family funeral to attend tomorrow and two speaking engagements soon afterward for which I need to prepare today. I plan to post something tomorrow morning, but it may be a couple of days before I’m blogging on a regular schedule again. Thanks in advance for your patience, and please try to keep it clean on the comment threads in the meantime.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 23rd, 2012
2:40 pm
Sorry about your loss, Kyle.
Slick Rick
July 23rd, 2012
2:50 pm
Well done, Kyle – no Obama/Democrat bashing for a change. What a welcome change of pace!!!
Slick Rick
July 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm
I’ll add: too bad we needed a mass killing to make it happen.
ragnar danneskjold
July 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm
I misperceived the headline, thought it was about ObamaCare.
Oblama
July 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm
Time to reconsider the electric chair for these mass murderers. Some times a rabid animal has to be put down.
markie mark
July 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm
I believe that some human beings are unfortunately, innately evil. This is probably one of those times where we will never be satisfied with a conclusive “why” , because there probably wont be a good reason.
southpaw
July 23rd, 2012
2:59 pm
You and your family take care, Kyle.
As long as Holmes took to plan his attack, he had to have SOME motivation. I’ll be interested in hearing what it is. He doesn’t look as crazy as Jared Loughner, but looks can be deceiving.
You heard it here first, folks: We’ll hear renewed calls to ban weapons for everybody (except law enforecement and military) before we hear why Holmes went after so many innocent people.
Hillbilly D
July 23rd, 2012
3:00 pm
This was an irrational act and there’s no way to make sense of an irrational act. Unfortunately, when people like this are hell bent on evil and destruction, there isn’t a lot anybody can do, once they reach that point.
And to Kyle, sorry for your loss.
Slick Rick
July 23rd, 2012
3:05 pm
@ Hillbilly D – “This was an irrational act and there’s no way to make sense of an irrational act. Unfortunately, when people like this are hell bent on evil and destruction, there isn’t a lot anybody can do, once they reach that point.”
As apt a description of the current Republican party as any I’ve ever head. Chapeau, mon ami.
curious
July 23rd, 2012
3:05 pm
Something need to be done to help identify these type people. Blindly defending his 2nd Amendment Rights will eventually lead to some sort of gun control.
The NRA needs to take the lead on developing a solution.
WE IS... PENN STATE!
July 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm
I, too, thought this blog would be about The Great JiveTalker’s administration.
Slick Rick
July 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm
@ curious – The NRA can’t see through the fog of bullet smoke. All the NRA cares about is defending peoples’ rights to arm themselves as much as they can, irrespective of why, where, by whom and for what. The NRA can’t “take the lead on developing a solution” since the demise of the NRA and the repeal of the “right to bear arms” is the only solution to our gun crazy problem.
Thulsa Doom
July 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm
curious,
There is no solution for crazy. In a nation of 310 million people there are going to be some nuts walking around. And there’s not a whole lot we can do about it. We don’t want to become a police state and suppress everyone’s freedoms because of the actions of a handful of kooks.
Thulsa Doom
July 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm
” the demise of the NRA and the repeal of the “right to bear arms” is the only solution to our gun crazy problem.”
You think so? Washington DC and Chicago have 2 of if not the toughest gun control laws in the U.S. And ya know what? Gun crime there is as bad or worse than anywhere else in the U.S.
Tealiban Party
July 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm
southpaw
July 23rd, 2012
2:59 pm
You heard it here first, folks: We’ll hear renewed calls to ban weapons for everybody (except law enforecement and military) before we hear why Holmes went after so many innocent people.
I don’t think we need to ban all weapons. But perhaps we should reconsider the ease with which people can access 100 round clips, ammunition purchases over the internet, and the need for the public to obtain assault rifles. Who besides military needs 100 round clips?
Thulsa Doom
July 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm
“Something need to be done to help identify these type people.”
Unless you’re a mind reader you would have little to no way of identifying people like this guy.
brad
July 23rd, 2012
3:21 pm
Tealiban, that’s a good starting point for a discussion. I think the answer to your question is “nobody”. Other thoughts?
bookman parrot
July 23rd, 2012
3:23 pm
Slick Rick,
You are way off base.
Contarded To The Core, Hate for no other reason, except..,
July 23rd, 2012
3:27 pm
I find it ironic that @WE IS PENN STATE would come out here with the camouflaged raciLly tinged rant that he has in not only his name, but references to “jive talking” and all, yet from top to bottom the Peen State debacle was perpetuated by GUESS WHO?? Not much different than this clown with the red hair who indescriminately slaughtered and maimed a ton of innocent people in a SINGLE outing. Now that’s a pretty familiar narrative it seems over the past generation. But oh…he’s “sick” ,”deranged”, etc. No… he’s evil and an @@@hole just like many like him who cannot control their rage because they become convinced that others are trying to impinge upon their opportunities or whatever. Well, there you have it. Make excuses all you want (and many will) you are stuck owning him.
Don't Tread
July 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm
You don’t like civilian ownership of assault rifles, move to The People’s Republik of Kalifornia. They confiscate them there (after telling you to register them “for information purposes only”
yeah, right). Or maybe New York City, home of “stop and frisk”, DC, Chicago…
Groups like NRA exist to protect our rights from those in government (and those who support them) who would take them away because some people abuse the right, such as nutjob up there. That guy looks like he’s completely gone off the deep end. (But the insanity defense most likely won’t work for him.) Colorado still has the death penalty, which is completely appropriate here…do they have the “fast track” program like Texas?
Middle of the Road
July 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm
It’s difficult to decide what is and is not legal with regard to gun ownership. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that the laws already in place vary between states and municipalities. For example, the AR-15 assault rifle and 100-round clips used by Holmes would have been illegal to purchase in Denver but are perfectly acceptable to buy in the rest of Colorado. Seems like an earnest discussion among leaders and lawmakers from across the country need to review what should be done here. IMHO no civilian should be allowed to carry and use the above items. Alas, the two Glocks and shot gun would have still done some harm; but those items I feel are reasonable items to be allowable.
The line needs to be drawn somewhere, and it needs to be universal throughout the country.
GT
July 23rd, 2012
3:30 pm
I guess the guys in 9/11 were crazy too. The fact this happens in Colorado was just a coincidence. And the fact it happens far more times in the United States than the rest of the world combined are all coincidence.
Has there ever been a woman going off the track like this? I guess those macho women don’t sell themselves as believable as much as the Rambo characters. Or maybe women are just innately more intelligent or grounded in reality. Before the movies how many of these things happened? Maybe not even that far back, Gary Cooper never brought this dark side out of his fans. Go to a violate movie and take a survey, you will be shocked how many of those people are far right Christians. We wonder how this stuff happens. Right…
brad
July 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm
@Thulsa: I agree that gun control laws in DC and Chicago have not solved any problems. Since guns can be easily purchased in other states and readily transported, local gun controls are meaningless.
Jefferson
July 23rd, 2012
3:33 pm
Holmes has NO defense, trial should be in about a week.
curious
July 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
Slightly disagree. When some non licensed gun dealer buys several guns within a very short time span, it could be a warning. He bought these guns from licensed dealers, so the sale had to be run through a background check.
Doing nothing is a sure fire method of losing all your rights.
Hillbilly D
July 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm
Slick Rick @ 3:05
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with politics. I think most anybody who knows me knows I’d frown on either side trying to use something like this to score political points.
Contarded To The Core, Hate for no other reason, except..,
July 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm
I watched a Vanguard documentary on life in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro, and these guys spoke to how they aqcuire their weapons though initially they were not going to talk about it. It is no different than how extremely poor communities in this country become flooded with these high powered weapons – corruption in police, politicians, and gun sellers…and other “funders”, as with these militia groups. As is said in many an “urban” crime drama with social message embedding, “they don’t make these guns in the hood”. They surely seem to find their way there though. I’m still trying to figure out where this clown got all the money to purchase all this weaponry and tactical gear! It’s all part of a larger effort; it ALWAYS is.
Jack
July 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm
The killer has been watching too much TV: A weak-minded person wanting his 15 minutes of fame.
Kyle Wingfield
July 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm
Oblama: You can point out the ridiculousness of GT’s unfounded claim without resorting to name-calling.
G.I. Joe
July 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm
G.T. can’t help it Oblama. Born with a genetic defect for ignorance. G.T. would probably suggest Holmes get anger management and be released. Strange that G.T. sees this as a gun problem rather than give the responsibility to the one that pulled the trigger.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 23rd, 2012
3:56 pm
Does anyone else find the irony in Slick Rick’s 2:50 and 3:05 comments?
Oblama
July 23rd, 2012
4:02 pm
G. T. does plenty of name calling with the insults hurled at Christians constantly from G.T.’s mouth. What G.T. said was uncalled for and ridiculous. I didn’t start this – just responded in self defense.
HOT AIR
July 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm
G.T. remarks aren’t important enough to comment on. G.T. is trying to stir up controversy where it doesn’t exist.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm
As I mentioned in the thread below, nearly 100 people in the US die each day due to firearms, while a similar number die each day from traffic accidents. IMO, all of their stories need to be told, yet the media will pick out one sensational story like this one and beat it into the ground.
Personally, I’m not fascinated by people like Holmes. Whatever drove him mad doesn’t really interest me, because his “solution” was to harm innocent people. If he wanted to end his own life, so be it, but leave everyone else out of it.
JamVet
July 23rd, 2012
4:10 pm
Though it would never pass the cruel and unusual punishment test, I favor having this person spend the rest of his life behind bars watching home movies of his victims, 24/7. And the walls and ceilings of his cell plastered with their photos…
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm
BTW, I noticed that Kyle didn’t mention the suspect by name. I have to believe that was intentional, and for good reason. The media pretty much turns folks like him into celebrities. If we communally adopted a policy by which you lose your status as a member of society by committing a crime like that, it might possibly reduce the number of incidences. Banish his name.
brad
July 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm
@ GI Joe: I for one, don’t believe for a second that Holmes is not fully responsible for his actions. He deserves to be punished to the full extent of Colorado law. What I’d like to do is make it more difficult for the next guy to be as efficient a killer. To that end, I’d like to see drum magazines outlawed nation-wide.
Hillbilly D
July 23rd, 2012
4:13 pm
yet the media will pick out one sensational story like this one and beat it into the ground.
They make money doing that. If it bleeds it leads. If they didn’t put it on, folks wouldn’t watch but if folks didn’t watch, they wouldn’t put it on. It’s a Catch 22.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm
My alma mater recently lost a promising young student to an auto accident. To me, a story like this is more meaningful.
http://www.hmc.edu/newsandevents/ben-huppe.html
G.I. Joe
July 23rd, 2012
4:17 pm
So someone on here (who I want name) actually blames violent movies for this guy’s rampage? When are you ever going to blame the act on the one that did the act? That’s called responsibility. Holmes is an adult, committed premeditated murder against innocent people, and should get the MAX – death by lethal injection. This is not a right or left “thing” – it’s nothing to do with revenge – it’s JUSTICE.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:17 pm
Though it would never pass the cruel and unusual punishment test
Brother Jam–I saw you drawing attention to all of the blog insulting that goes on here on the last thread. Are we to assume that you will be leading by example from here on out??
BTW, PB and I decided to skip the Doobie Bros concert tomorrow at Chastain in order to save up for a trip to NJ in Aug. You were at the top of our guest list, however, for whatever that is worth.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm
They make money doing that. If it bleeds it leads. If they didn’t put it on, folks wouldn’t watch but if folks didn’t watch, they wouldn’t put it on. It’s a Catch 22.
I know, HD. I guess it’s just the idealist in me who thinks the bully pulpit of the media could be used so much more productively. Seems that only the scumbags get all of the attention. Why not highlight more of the good folks of the world. They could probably build a mini-series just around you.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:20 pm
“I favor having this person spend the rest of his life behind bars ”
Of course not, you’d rather spend millions of taxpayer dollars on an insane scumbag. Shame on you, Vet.
HOT AIR
July 23rd, 2012
4:20 pm
He might enjoy home movies of his victims……….. serial killers do you know.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:21 pm
“But perhaps we should reconsider the ease with which people can access 100 round clips, ammunition purchases over the internet, and the need for the public to obtain assault rifles.”
Or we could outlaw insane people. I vote for outlawing insane people.
Illegal Immigrant
July 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm
In my country he would never make it to trial ……. or even out of the theater.
Contarded To The Core, Hate for no other reason, except..,
July 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm
Gotta love this headline:
“Colorado Shooter Appears ‘Dazed’ in Court” Been hearing this refrain ALL day and frankly am sick of it. “Dazed”?? How about SLLEEEEEEPPY as h3ll?!! I’m sure he’s been put through all kinds of interrogation since his arrest, nonstop! Maybe they should try “enhanced interrogation techniques” and see how they work? People were highly in favor of them and singing their praises still up until, oh about a year ago. There is nothing “dazed” about him. The jerks STAY PLAYIN’ the gullible (people). Amazing.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm
“since the demise of the NRA and the repeal of the “right to bear arms” is the only solution to our gun crazy problem.”
If it weren’t for those “evil” guns, you wouldn’t be posting on this blog. If it weren’t for guns, we’d be speaking Japanese or German right now.
I love how libs always blame the wrong thing. Heck, more people are killed by cars than guns every year but we never hear libs cry “ban cars now.”
Hillbilly D
July 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm
Bruno
Dude, if I see a camera, I turn and go the other way. Somebody else can have 30 seconds of fame, ’cause I don’t want my 15.
fair and balanced
July 23rd, 2012
4:24 pm
No need to discuss the NRA here- they have succeeded in controlling all levels of government and now can put unlimited money in advertising and lobbying with no disclosure. Both presidential candidates cower in fear of doing anything to anger the NRA. We will all be at the mercy of George Zimmermans who may or may not be sane when we go in crowded public places.(All that body armor will require a bazooka or propelled grenade- no problem if you have an NRA membership)
Of course Hollywood takes its share of blame. That trailer that has been pulled of gangsters shooting up a theater and this latest wack job truly believing he was the Joker should make us think about the culture of violence we are perpetuating. Sad – what is a six year old girl doing at a movie like that that starts at midnight. Was that responsible parenting??
” A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state” . This part of the second amendment was thrown in the trash by a conservative Justice who claims to be a literalist and strict constructionist. I assume the NRA got to him and his buds too, How sad.
Anyone want to convince me that selling an arsenal of highpowered weapons and ammo to the latest wack case is within the definition of a well regulated state controlled scheme? And how secure do the free citizens of Colorado feel when they go in the future to any theater? Maybe the framers knew something we can’t apparently comprehend.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:24 pm
Focusing on the political angle for a minute, are there any opinions about how the two candidates responded to the tragedy?? If I were President, I would have likely taken a bit more distant approach. Seems a but false to make the victims your best friends all of a sudden.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:25 pm
GT
Are you the same guy on Jeff Shultz’s blog arguing with people about the Bible?
brad
July 23rd, 2012
4:25 pm
@ Logic: I think you missed the point of his post. He’s calling for a severe punishment. As to taxpayer dollars, it’s been demonstrated that the cost of a death penalty exceeds that of life w/o parole. Not that I don’t think it is well-deserved in this case.
Oblama
July 23rd, 2012
4:26 pm
I will no longer mention this coward murderer by name…… what he did is inhuman and should dealt with like a pit bull that attacks a child.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:26 pm
“If I were President, I would have likely taken a bit more distant approach. ”
But he can’t. The guy has to make everything about himself. For instance, instead of talking about the victims, he goes off about how his own daughters could have been in that movie theater. He just doesn’t have any common sense.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:27 pm
” As to taxpayer dollars, it’s been demonstrated that the cost of a death penalty exceeds that of life w/o parole.”
So a single bullet costs millions of dollars? Geez, what kind of bullet would cost more than life in prison?
curious
July 23rd, 2012
4:27 pm
I love how libs always blame the wrong thing. Heck, more people are killed by cars than guns every year but we never hear libs cry “ban cars now.”
We need to ban certain people from having guns, just like we ban some people from driving.
Ignoring the problem is akin to the ignoring the 9/11 gang learning to fly but not being interested in learning how to land.
Tipoff?
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:27 pm
Dude, if I see a camera, I turn and go the other way. Somebody else can have 30 seconds of fame, ’cause I don’t want my 15.
I was on the show “Real People” back in 1980 after they came to my college to film a segment. I missed the actual broadcast, but folks said I was entertaining.
brad
July 23rd, 2012
4:28 pm
Well, Logic, that’s just not the way it works in our country.
HOT AIR
July 23rd, 2012
4:29 pm
When considering punishment you can’t just do what is just cost effective in this case……. the victims deserve J U S T I C E.
Just saying..
July 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm
Sorry for your loss, Kyle.
Hillbilly D
July 23rd, 2012
4:31 pm
“If I were President, I would have likely taken a bit more distant approach.”
I probably would have but I think a President is pretty much damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, when things like this happen. I pretty much give them a pass on it.
Tealiban Party
July 23rd, 2012
4:32 pm
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:21 pm
Or we could outlaw insane people. I vote for outlawing insane people.
What a “logical” solution to preventing such tragedies as these.
Thank you
July 23rd, 2012
4:32 pm
Mitt Romney says President Barack Obama’s decision to meet with the families of victims of the Colorado shooting was “the right thing.”
The Republican presidential candidate spoke to donors in San Francisco Sunday night at roughly the same time Obama consoled grieving families in Aurora, Colo. A gunman opened fire in a crowded movie theater there early Friday, killing 12 and wounding scores more.
Romney said he appreciates the president’s actions Sunday. And he generally avoided partisan attacks, declining to go after Obama by name “in keeping with the seriousness of the day.”
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:33 pm
We need to ban certain people from having guns, just like we ban some people from driving.
Kind of tough in this case, curious, since the suspect had no prior criminal record.
I’m a strong supporter of gun rights, but also support reasonable limitations on the number of rounds per clip. Not to second-guess anyone there, but you have to wonder why someone didn’t try to tackle the shooter while he was reloading.
G.I. Joe
July 23rd, 2012
4:33 pm
We need reform …… 3 months to trial, three months to appeal and three months to a timely EXECUTION of the sentence – not 18 years on death row torturing the victim’s and their families waiting for justice.
Jimmy62
July 23rd, 2012
4:34 pm
Far more people died of car accidents that day. And probably far more died of alcohol-related issues. 1. Why aren’t we making cars illegal? A crazy man with a car could easily kill a lot of people by driving in to a farmer’s market or something. 2. Why aren’t we making alcohol illegal?
Did you know that 14 people died in a truck accident in Texas that same day, yet no one is talking about them, and no one is talking about restricting Constitutional rights because of it.
And far more people die from the drug war each day. If only the anti-gun crowd would focus on preventing deaths by doing things that not only don’t restrict our rights, but actively help people, the world would be a better place.
The NRA, to my knowledge, has never killed anyone. But a lot of people have died as a result of governments restricting their inalienable rights.
Thank you
July 23rd, 2012
4:35 pm
Obama no prize for sure.
With that said, some of the very people who were angered when Bush was attacked for nonsense, do the same with Obama.
Hypocrisy on both sides. If anyone on the left or right can’t see it, not much help for you.
Jimmy62
July 23rd, 2012
4:36 pm
Bruno: Dark theatre, chaos… Probably not that easy to figure out in the middle of it what was going on and who was doing it. Out of all the mass shootings in recent years, this is the one I’m not saying, “If only someone there had a gun.” It was too dark and chaotic, and I would think a responsible concealed carry holder wouldn’t want to draw in that environment for fear of shooting innocents. Unlike the more open and well-lit places where these massacres have happened in the past.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:37 pm
I probably would have but I think a President is pretty much damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, when things like this happen. I pretty much give them a pass on it.
I guess if it brings gratification to the families, then I can’t be against it. If I had a family member there, however, I would likely resent any politicians who tried to bandwagon the event. Let them grieve privately.
Mitt Romney says President Barack Obama’s decision to meet with the families of victims of the Colorado shooting was “the right thing.”
If he disagreed with it, Thank You, do you really think he would say so publicly??
HOT AIR
July 23rd, 2012
4:39 pm
Remember when Rosie O’Donnell screeched at Magnum P.I. on the Letterman Show because he was a member of the N.R.A? Later it was revealed that she owned guns herself and her bodyguards carried guns. Ban the sale of guns to all that openly oppose gun ownership rights. That’s a good starting point. I would also ban guns ownership to convicted felons, drug addicts and those found to be legally mentally ill.
Thank you
July 23rd, 2012
4:40 pm
Bruno
Be as cynical as you feel the need to be. It does not matter outside of your own personal world. Romney said what he said and that is it.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:41 pm
Bruno: Dark theatre, chaos… Probably not that easy to figure out in the middle of it what was going on and who was doing it.
Again, Jimmy62, not really second-guessing since I wasn’t there. However, it seems like it would take a little time to shoot 71 people.
Remembering again a couple of heroes (heroines) from the Norway tragedy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021594/Norway-massacre-Lesbians-save-40-children-Anders-Behring-Breivik-Utoya.html
Just my opinion, but shame on the mainstream media for not publishing their story sooner.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:42 pm
“What a “logical” solution to preventing such tragedies as these.”
Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, Columbine. All tragedies that could have been prevented.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:43 pm
“But a lot of people have died as a result of governments restricting their inalienable rights.”
Chicago has the strictest gun ban in the nation and highest gun crime in the country. Ironic isnt it.
Thank you
July 23rd, 2012
4:43 pm
Bruno
Be honest, some of the same people saying it is all political would be on his a$$ for being insensitive had he not gone.
As HillBilly D said, damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Obama like Bush can break wind and their opponents go into psychotic fits.
Skip
July 23rd, 2012
4:43 pm
Bruno, the families will be on TV every chance they get. No different than most these days.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 23rd, 2012
4:44 pm
It’s a shame but this dude will die of old age in the loony bin.
Illegal Immigrant
July 23rd, 2012
4:45 pm
It is O.K. for the President to attend a tragedy such as this. Like when Bush responded to 9/11. Looked good for the President too…. looked like a leader on national T.V.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:45 pm
“Obama like Bush can break wind and their opponents go into psychotic fits.”
Fast and Furious. Nuff said.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:45 pm
“Like when Bush responded to 9/11. ”
Bush never said “my daughters could have been on those planes.”
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:46 pm
Bruno, the families will be on TV every chance they get. No different than most these days.
Skip–Maybe I’m old-school, but I value privacy. What ever happened to good old-fashioned dignity??
md
July 23rd, 2012
4:47 pm
“In March 2006, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-American, intentionally, as he confessed, hit people with a sport utility vehicle on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to “avenge the deaths of Muslims worldwide” and to “punish” the United States government. While no one was killed in the attack, nine people were injured (none seriously).”
The fact that there were no deaths was an element of luck. Had there been deaths involved, would those calling for bans also wish to ban cars?
Had that kid walked into the theater with a can of gasoline and a lighter, would there be calls to ban gasoline?
Evil does as it pleases for the most part……sometimes we get lucky and stop it before it occurs. More often than not, we respond to it vs prevent it. Police respond to crime scenes, they don’t prevent them.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:48 pm
The guy in the photo looks like Scott Weiland from Stone Temple Pilots.
Thank you
July 23rd, 2012
4:49 pm
“Fast and Furious. Nuff said.”
What? Turn off your shallow partisanship for a moment. I was not defending Obama nor Bush. Simply stating that babies on the left and right cry no matter what the President does or doesn’t do. But if the shoe fits, wear it and have a tissue or two as well.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:49 pm
It’s a shame but this dude will die of old age in the loony bin.
Too bad he’s not a bit nicer looking. Other mass murderers like Manson and Ted Bundy reportedly attract a large female following. What’s up with that??
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:49 pm
md
To libs, only white Christian males can do evil. Muslims are never wrong. See: JamVet.
G.I. Joe
July 23rd, 2012
4:49 pm
This was planned out premeditated murder…. the insanity plea won’t fly here. Good thing it’s not in L.A. however where P.C. is taken to the extreme. Also, he is a white guy so Jessie Jackson won’t get involved.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:50 pm
“I was not defending Obama nor Bush. Simply stating that babies on the left and right cry no matter what the President does or doesn’t do. But if the shoe fits, wear it and have a tissue or two as well.”
Ok. My bad.
Thank you
July 23rd, 2012
4:50 pm
“What ever happened to good old-fashioned dignity??”
Still around. With the internet and 24 hour news it allows more attention seekers to come out of the woodwork than ever before.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:51 pm
The guy in the photo looks like Scott Weiland from Stone Temple Pilots.
Can’t resist a lead-in like that, Logic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dRq0MOfPAo
Used to play this one at full blast in the 90s ^^^^^^
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:52 pm
Still around. With the internet and 24 hour news it allows more attention seekers to come out of the woodwork than ever before.
Good point. Thank you, Thank You.
JamVet
July 23rd, 2012
4:54 pm
Logic, methinks you need to change your name.
Desperately…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
4:57 pm
“Used to play this one at full blast in the 90s ”
Still do. Love that song.
md
July 23rd, 2012
4:58 pm
My intent in posting was not to point out the muslim link, but to point out the intentional use of the vehicle. I remember when he did it, but never saw the first person call for a ban……….
JamVet
July 23rd, 2012
4:58 pm
B, thanks.
Did some volunteer work at Chastain Park this past weekend and grinned like the Cheshire cat thinking about all of the stellar shows that I’ve seen there.
Peace to you and PB.
I’ll catch you later…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm
JamVet
What ever will you do now that Jay has gone on vacation for two weeks? Poor guy needed some rest since his Alma Mater was just crucified on the world stage. Anyhoo, I’m sure his blog will get shut down soon enough when the usual suspects start screaming at each other. I’m also sure you’ll be in the middle of one of those fights.
Let’s see: Will it be a fight about white people, cons or SINGLE PAYER NOW?
You’re too easy, Vet.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
5:01 pm
Logic–This STP song might be more germane to the situation, however:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzT8AoOau1Y
Feelin’ uninspired
Think I’ll start a fire
Everybody run
Bobby’s got a gun
Think you’re kinda neat
Then she tells me I’m a creep
Friends don’t mean a thing
Guess I’ll leave it up to me
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:01 pm
“Did some volunteer work at Chastain Park t”
Oh, did you go out to give away cat food to the Occupy Wall Street folk? I hope your car didn’t get pooped on.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:03 pm
Bruno
Good one, but this gets my blood pumpin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA9TVLK1vNs
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm
Braves picked up Ryan Dempster. A MUCH improved pitcher from our current crop of crap.
Skip
July 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm
Anyone know what rank he held in the militia ? I wondered if he was officer or enlisted.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm
The president got into the act too. He “condemned U.S. gun laws as ‘mistaken’ and urged Washington to review them after a shooter killed 12 people and injured more than 50 others at a U.S. movie theater on Friday,” Reuters reports, quoting his tweet: “Because of the Aurora, Colorado tragedy, the American Congress must review its mistaken legislation on guns. It’s doing damage to us all.”
If one person in that audience, seated in the right location, had been in possession of a Nine with laser sights, a whole lot more people would be uninjured and around to tell their loves that they are fine.
But the theater barred concealed carry.
Well, guess who didn’t have any problems getting their weapons through the door.
That’s right, the criminal.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm
Bruno
AND THIS ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdu9apXE2W4
Oblama
July 23rd, 2012
5:09 pm
Get ready for it ’cause this gutless punk is going to plead insanity. Can I be on the jury please?
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:09 pm
” “Because of the Aurora, Colorado tragedy, the American Congress must review its mistaken legislation on guns. It’s doing damage to us all.””
Good luck with that one. I hope he campaigns on the anti-gun angle because he’ll instantly lose a few states up for grabs.
SwamiDave
July 23rd, 2012
5:11 pm
Slick Rick
“…and the repeal of the “right to bear arms” is the only solution to our gun crazy problem.”
Based on your suggestion for repeal, are you recommending a Constitutional amendment? If so, then you are free to propose that as a means to achieve your intended ends. However, as the right of private citizens to own firearms is guaranteed under our Constitution within our Bill of Rights, ending it would need to follow the prescribed process of amendment.
-SD
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:11 pm
But ..but..but…Bush did it. JamVet said so.
The Hill Poll: Voters blame president most for slow economic recovery
http://thehill.com/polls/239377-the-hill-poll-majority-of-voters-blame-president-for-bad-economy
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm
If strict gun laws are so great why do cities with strict gun laws have more gun related deaths than in cities without them?
BTW, the Colorado gunman is a left winger.
They BOTH suck
July 23rd, 2012
5:17 pm
Enter your comments here
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
5:17 pm
From the lovely JamVet
“It probably was a moronic business decision by the son of the Christian chicken dude.
They already have the agents of intolerance demographic.
All this might do is alienate the other people who might just take their chicken business elsewhere, instead of giving it to bigots and small minded people stuck in the 1950s.”
JamVet must own a large successful business since he gives out business advice over the AJC blogs.
Dusty
July 23rd, 2012
5:21 pm
Well, I am sorry Kyle will be away for a few days, ’specially for a family funeral. But it does sound like his career is going well, what with two speeches coming up soon. Most interesting.
But our sympathies for the terrible tragedy may wear thin before long. Tragedies are so horrible and taxing and no understanding can ever be reached.
I know! BRUNO is going to start school again so we can help him with his homework. What are your subjects, Bruno? Just tell us and we’ll be ready to go!! My pencils are sharpened!
They BOTH suck
July 23rd, 2012
5:21 pm
Logic
Express your unsaid love for JamVet and be done with it.
See if he wants to get a room or something
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm
JamVet must own a large successful business since he gives out business advice over the AJC blogs.
Any particular reason you seem so obsessed with JamVet, Logic??
Slick Rick
July 23rd, 2012
5:25 pm
@ SwamiDave – Your use of wikipedia is mighty impressive. Well done, old chap, well done.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm
What are your subjects, Bruno? Just tell us and we’ll be ready to go!! My pencils are sharpened!
I’m probably going to start off with some Differential Geometry or Tensor Calculus. I need to brush up on my Point Set Topology as well. Can I count on you for some tutoring??
Jefferson
July 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm
SD has brown eyes.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
5:30 pm
Dusty–Some extra brownie points for you if you can figure out what those three course apply to……
Matz
July 23rd, 2012
5:35 pm
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm
BTW, I noticed that Kyle didn’t mention the suspect by name. I have to believe that was intentional, and for good reason. The media pretty much turns folks like him into celebrities. If we communally adopted a policy by which you lose your status as a member of society by committing a crime like that, it might possibly reduce the number of incidences. Banish his name.
*******************
AMEN! I do not want to see this creep’s face or hear his name EVER. And when some ho “reporter” finds is diary or blog ramblings, I don’t want to hear those either. This celebrity treatment only encourages every other unbalanced loser creep who feels invisible to make a name for himself. Put him in a “spider hole” and forget him!
Bob Baldwin
July 23rd, 2012
5:37 pm
Anybody got a solution to this problem?
Or is there no problem sfter all?
Doubt if our Founding Fathers had individuals being armed with “WMDs” when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. If the shooter had been armed with a musket, he might have killed one person.
Shark Punch!
July 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm
Why does the media help make celebrities out of people like this by posting their pictures? I can still picture an online image (though not from the AJC) of the VA Tech shooter pointing his handgun at the viewer. Truly poor taste on that one.
That this was a terrible tragedy should transcend any politics, but lo-and-behold there are enough people from both sides of the spectrum who would attempt to leverage it to support their own personal agenda. Reprehensible.
Dusty
July 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm
So the BRAVES picked up Ryan Dempster? I don’t know much about him. Hope he’s a good pitcher. GO BRAVES! Play another game like you did the other night . From 0 to 9 to a win with 11 to 10! WHAT A GAME!!
With that happy thought, I am off to fix the spaghetti. Where’s that can opener?
Contarded To The Core, Hate for no other reason, except..,
July 23rd, 2012
5:49 pm
@Logic(????)
“Bush never said ‘my daughters could have been on those planes’.”
It’s called (say it with me now)…E-M-P-A-T-H-Y
Of course, this is a totally foreign concept for a person of your character profile. You are obviously one of those who are deluded when it comes to the President. I think the term is O.D.S.
Michael H. Smith
July 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm
Yeah, I got a personal agenda: Let these families grieve their loss and bury their dead in peace without the media and our extemporaneous comments, condolences are sufficient for the moment.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Doubt if our Founding Fathers had individuals being armed with “WMDs” when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. If the shooter had been armed with a musket, he might have killed one person.
Bob–It may not be much consolation to gun-control advocates, but death by firearms have been steadily falling in this country, both in absolute numbers and deaths per 100,000 people.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764212.html
The majority of deaths by firearm are suicides, with almost all of the other deaths committed by felons and gang members. Accidental death by firearms is around 1100 per year, not a very high number considering there are about 235,000,000 guns in the US.
Dusty
July 23rd, 2012
5:54 pm
BRUNO
I am ready and willing to help you with calculus, tea leaf topography and baseline biobuffets. I’m not interested in invariant transformations.of mathematical persuasions.
I’m sure Platinum won’t mind my presence. I’ll stay on “key” and bring my guitar. (Do you happen to have any strings? )
I smell smoke. Later.!!!..
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
5:57 pm
It’s called (say it with me now)…E-M-P-A-T-H-Y
I attribute it more to N-A-R-C-I-S-S-I-S-M and P-O-L-I-T-I-C-A-L P-A-N-D-E-R-I-N-G.
Does using capital letters like that prove the point any better, Contarded??
jconservative
July 23rd, 2012
6:00 pm
I am frankly surprised by how little of this type crime we have in this country. The al Qaeda’s of the world must be of real low intelligence. This could happen on a scale of X100 everyday if al Qaeda had any ability at all.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm
I’m sure Platinum won’t mind my presence. I’ll stay on “key” and bring my guitar. (Do you happen to have any strings? )
She’ll be happy to accompany you on piano, Dusty.
Unfortunately, she banned from her performances after I threatened to start “the wave” in order to liven things up a bit…….
Road Scholar
July 23rd, 2012
6:04 pm
Guns are legal under the 2nd amendment. And in keeping with all the talk in the recent past about what our founding fathers thought when writing the Constitution…they approved the ownership of single shot muskets. Now why do the citizenry need assault weapons? Is Bambi armed to the teeth?
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
6:06 pm
“Any particular reason you seem so obsessed with JamVet, Logic??”
Nope, just don’t like the guy.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm
Dusty
Dempster is good.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm
“Of course, this is a totally foreign concept for a person of your character profile.”
“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
So tell me what I’m missing there, sport.
Matz
July 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
Experts estimate that 1 in 25 people is a sociopath, and hence incapable of experiencing empathy. The capacity simply does not exist in their brain structures, although they can learn to fake it from watching others. From reading what’s written here, it would appear that percentage triples or quadruples on a conservotard blog.
They BOTH suck
July 23rd, 2012
6:13 pm
“Nope, just don’t like the guy.”
Do you post the same tripe and cry over every person you do not like?
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
6:14 pm
” From reading what’s written here, it would appear that percentage triples or quadruples on a conservotard blog.”
Funny how left wingers always call right wingers names and then go off and shoot up movie theaters, universities and army bases.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 23rd, 2012
6:14 pm
“Do you post the same tripe and cry over every person you do not like?”
No, but I do like to mock and ridicule people like you.
They BOTH suck
July 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
“No, but I do like to mock and ridicule people like you.”
Keep demonstrating your intellect. It amazes even the right leaning folks on this blog. See the earlier post from a right leaning blogger as example A.
Good day
Lord Help Us
July 23rd, 2012
6:20 pm
Movie theater dark and crowded…
tear gas begins to disperse and people start to panic…
gunshots start…panic and confusion escalate…
I do not understand how one can think that, in this scenario, more people with guns…as in, more shooters, more bullets flying…would make for a better result.
Skip
July 23rd, 2012
6:27 pm
Lord, that’s where friendly fire comes from.
Bob Baldwin
July 23rd, 2012
6:27 pm
Bruno July 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Bob–It may not be much consolation to gun-control advocates, but death by firearms have been steadily falling in this country, both in absolute numbers and deaths per 100,000 people.
True. We haven’t had any deaths from A or H Bombs since WW2, but I don’t expect that to be a valid justification to let anybody have them. Otherwise, we would not have a problem with Iran, N. Korea, etc. having them.
Matz
July 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
I don’t think there’s anything more we can do. This country was founded by rebels and thieves. We are the wild, wild west. Our entire culture glorifies it. We elect Presidents based on how closely they can emulate John Wayne’s swagger, or offer a hushed synonym to “make my day” to our most dangerous enemies. Those who say the other guys are trying to or planning to take our guns away are lying. (You didn’t send them money did you? Hahaha!) If they react to this insanity by actually trying to do what the cold dead finger crowd dread, it’ll never work.
This is the world we made, folks. This is the world we live in.
They BOTH suck
July 23rd, 2012
6:34 pm
Woodstock
Time for weak minded individuals like you to address what people post not what you say they posted.
F. Sinkwich
July 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm
RIP, Sally Ride.
Our nation’s first female astronaut.
Plus she was pretty hot.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
I never thought I’d have to clarify but I guess there are some simpletons around.
The second gun would have laid the laser dot on the bridge of the first shooters nose and, well, blowed his brains out. End of massacre. It seems pretty simple to understand. Do you perhaps think the second gun toter would have excitedly helped out the first?
Weird.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
6:43 pm
This country was founded by rebels and thieves. We are the wild, wild west.
I guess we must have read different history books, Matz. The one I read states that our country was founded by people seeking religious freedom and freedom from oppressive governments. And yes, freedom comes with a price, a price I’m willing to pay.
Lord Help Us
July 23rd, 2012
6:43 pm
‘I never thought I’d have to clarify but I guess there are some simpletons around.’
No need to clarify.
It is quite simple. As evidenced by the shooter in this case, not all gun owners are sane. Imagine that 10 people in that audience are packing…shots, panic and confusion begin. Perhaps one or two accurately assess the situation, but, there is a good chance that in the panic and confusion several inaccurately assess the situation.
One could assess that the person shooting the initial shooter is the ‘bad guy.’ Perhaps, in the dark, and amidst the panic and confusion, multiple gun carriers inaccurately assess the situation.
If it were you, you would probably soil yourself and then shoot yourself…
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm
Wait a minute. I just got word that our country was actually founded by Al Gore.
Bruno
July 23rd, 2012
6:49 pm
Special for Matz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA51wyl-9IE
For my buds JamVet and TBS also ^^^^^^^^
md
July 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm
“Anyone know what rank he held in the militia ?”
“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution
jconservative
July 23rd, 2012
7:00 pm
“… what our founding fathers thought when writing the Constitution…they approved the ownership of single shot muskets. Now why do the citizenry need assault weapons? Is Bambi armed to the teeth?”
The Supreme Court has said for over 200 years that the Constitution is a “living” instrument and changes with the times. So AR-15’s are legal under the 2nd Amendment as well as the “single shot muskets”.
md
July 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
” As evidenced by the shooter in this case, not all gun owners are sane.”
And as evidenced by the drug cartels, not all gun owners are law abiding either……..Mexico has an assault rifle ban…..the only ones that have them now are the criminals……..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
“And in keeping with all the talk in the recent past about what our founding fathers thought when writing the Constitution…they approved the ownership of single shot muskets.”
Nominated for the dumbest post in the history of Kyle’s blog.
As the words ” single shot muskets” doesn’t appear in the U.S. Constitution, Road Scholar, “keep and bear arms” becomes the open-ended wording that we not only live by, but what the Founding Fathers approved.
Congratulations. You had to go really far down in the intelligence quotient to get nominated in this category.
md
July 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm
“keep and bear arms”
I think one must also remember that they too had a “history” of arms…..they were quite familiar with the concept of evolving weaponry.
What a shame
July 23rd, 2012
7:33 pm
“And yes, freedom comes with a price, a price I’m willing to pay.”
Outside of your taxes, please tell us the price you have paid or willing to pay.
Did you serve in the military, some form of police force or employment along those lines or waiting to start that type of employment?
If not, sounds a little more talk than walk
Hillbilly D
July 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm
Braves picked up Ryan Dempster. A MUCH improved pitcher from our current crop of crap.
Some reporter evidently jumped the gun on that because Dempster is wearing a Cub uniform, tonight. The trade still may happen but it hasn’t happened yet.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm
Posters keep asking why we need assault rifles and 100 round clips. They are hard to justify, until you think of the defenseless people in Syria. I am sure that at one time, they thought they would never need them either. Better to have and not need, than need and not have.
The way this country is going, Bashar Assad’s third cousin or someone like him may someday offer free stuff to everyone, and get himself elected President of the US.
@@
July 23rd, 2012
7:56 pm
He certainly looks like a madman.
It’s kinda eerie when one reads this article from 2008.
Jack Nicholson warned Heath Ledger on ‘Joker’ role
It’s that ol’ life imitating art thing.
The magnitude of lives lost overwhelms the senses.
Sorry to hear about your loss too, Kyle.
Mr_B
July 23rd, 2012
8:22 pm
Bruno: Earlier in the evening you opined that person like the Aurora shooter should become “unpersons.”
Allow me to second (or third) the motion.
As regards the lethal injection angle, allow me to point out that life w/o parole is much cheaper, and can be much more punishing. My guess is that this scumbag never planned to live until morning anyway.
Mr_B
July 23rd, 2012
8:23 pm
Kyle: our thoughts are with you and yours.
Mr_B
July 23rd, 2012
8:28 pm
“The way this country is going, Bashar Assad’s third cousin or someone like him may someday offer free stuff to everyone, and get himself elected President of the US.”
Sorry, Rafe, but the Assad family doesn’t have a lot a patience with ballot boxes. The US is not Syria, and never will be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Syrian_Corrective_Revolution
fair and balanced
July 23rd, 2012
8:36 pm
Am I the only one offended by this paper and the TV and internet showing multiple pictures of the latest wack job/publicity seeker ? Who cares what he looked like in court or how he and his attorney acted? When he is given that fatal needle in his arm (probably never when the psychiatrists defend him as a nut job in exchange for their fame) I will want the picture on the front page along with pictures of the victims.
dabir dalton
July 23rd, 2012
8:38 pm
If he is a “Mad Man” then he is not responsible for his actions. However his actions in collecting weapons – ammo and body armor as well as the bombs set to explode in his apartment when the police entered. All clearly show that he knew what he was doing and intended to create havoc and kill as many people as possible. No Kyle he is not a mad man but someone who made the choice to give in to his predatory instincts by imitating his hero the Joker.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm
Assad’s third cousin would be an upgrade from what we have now.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 23rd, 2012
8:53 pm
Mr B
When in Rome as they say. Americans would not tolerate someone forcing himself into power, but we might make a mistake and elect the wrong kinda guy, that we later would have to forcibly send packing. Hopefully our military would do it for us, but if not, the second amendment allows us to deal with tyranny, if need be.
md
July 23rd, 2012
9:09 pm
Venezuela has what I’d call an elected dictator…….getting into power and then changing the term limits for a President should be a big warning sign. Seems the masses down there aren’t too bright.
md
July 23rd, 2012
9:19 pm
“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
The problem with that statement has nothing to do with race…..it has to do with jumping the gun. Just like he did in the Cambridge fiasco.
Here’s the clue…..if a jury finds Zimmerman acted in self defense, how does it look then?
A smart man would have not said much of anything other than “let’s wait for ALL the facts”.
Mary Elizabeth
July 23rd, 2012
9:25 pm
My condolences to you and your family, Kyle.
Old Timer
July 23rd, 2012
11:36 pm
Kyle family first–God Bless.
marko
July 24th, 2012
5:51 am
Adam Yahiye Gadahn, an American-born spokesman for the terror network Al Qaeda, cited America as an example where Muslims in the West have tools at their disposal for a holy war against “the enemies of Islam.”
“America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms,” said Gadahn, who is known as Azzam al-Amriki. “You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an identification card.
“So what are you waiting for?” he asked in a matter-of-fact tone.
It’s a strange world we live in. Voters are required to show multiple documents before they’re allowed to exercise their most fundalmental right, but terrorist can buy assault weapons with no questions asked.
Mr_B
July 24th, 2012
6:49 am
md: So expressing sympathy with the boy’s family, the people who have to live with the loss of their son, is premature? If Zimmerman is telling the truth, does that make the death of a teen-age son any less disturbing to his parents?
Mr_B
July 24th, 2012
6:58 am
Rafe: For all of human history, the military has a much better record of installing tyranny than overthrowing it, although “removing the wrong man from power” is often a convenient excuse to grab it. Statements like “we might make a mistake and elect the wrong kinda guy” don’t reflect a lot of faith in democracy.
Actually, we have done that exact thing several times in the past. The last time was in 2004.
fair and balanced
July 24th, 2012
7:11 am
two hundred years of judicial interpretations of the second amendment went out the window with the Heller decision. It is called judicial activism and is the same as Chavez changing the term limits after getting supposedly elected Another sign d NRA control over the entire federal government. Neither Heller or Chavez actions are good signs in a democracy.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 24th, 2012
7:56 am
“America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms,” said Gadahn, who is known as Azzam al-Amriki. “You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an identification card.
Never mind the utter absolute BS of this statement, without an FFL you can forget all about getting anything fully auto, but who in the hell would quote al Qaeda as some sort of informational source?
We get sicker everyday, don’t we?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 24th, 2012
7:58 am
Speaking of sick, how about Hillary having a staff full of muslim brotherhooders?
Do the words “useful idiot” ring a bell?
Mr_B
July 24th, 2012
8:07 am
Do the words “useful idiot” ring a bell?
Yeah, now that you mention it, it does bring someone to mind.
Mr_B
July 24th, 2012
8:08 am
although I’m not too sure about the “useful” part.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:14 am
If strict gun laws are needed then why do cities with the highest gun crimes have the strictest gun laws in the land?
Come on libs, answer that question.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:15 am
“Another sign d NRA control over the entire federal government.”
Wow, I had no idea the NRA was that powerful.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:16 am
“The problem with that statement has nothing to do with race…..it has to do with jumping the gun. Just like he did in the Cambridge fiasco.”
Anything is a racist to left wingers because they can’t argue facts. Anytime anyone speaks out against Obama, the left cries racism.
gadem
July 24th, 2012
8:22 am
I believe in the 2nd amendment with the exception of assault weapons…I see not civilian purpose for those. They are not hunting weapons. Those are truly weapons of mass destruction. I am in favor of a ban of ALL assault rifles and related equipment.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/arrested-separate-dark-knight-incidents-16842256#.UA6S5_Un_lg
JDW
July 24th, 2012
8:24 am
Yes Kyle he is a madman. What does it say about a society that allows madmen to legally purchase the arms required to execute the plot? “a well regulated militia” has no connection whatsoever to an individual right to bear arms. Any reasonable person should be able to see that phrase refers to the right of a state to have such an organization…the National Guard is an example.
So long as we allow the NRA et al to drive policy we will be forced to endure the episodes on a regular basis.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:24 am
“Those are truly weapons of mass destruction. I am in favor of a ban of ALL assault rifles and related equipment.”
And that makes you a liar when it comes to believing in the 2nd amendment.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:25 am
“So long as we allow the NRA et al to drive policy we will be forced to endure the episodes on a regular basis.”
Americans overwhelmingly support the 2nd amendment. If you don’t like that then move.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 24th, 2012
8:31 am
The “assault” rifle jammed almost immediately. He switched up to the shotgun and the Glocks.
Notice how facts never seem to enter the minds of a liberal? They just babble what CNN tells them?
gadem
July 24th, 2012
8:32 am
Logic, there are ALWAYS exceptions. Any reasonable person can see that assault weapons are not needed for the general population. If that is the case, make explosives and explosive devices legal too.
gadem
July 24th, 2012
8:33 am
I “report” those were the words of the investigators, not CNN. Are you defending the madman? Will you become his pen pal?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 24th, 2012
8:34 am
And how about having al Qaeda and liberals both on record against “assault” rifles, birds of a feather….
JDW
July 24th, 2012
8:45 am
@Logic
I suppose using your “logic” everyone is entitled to their very own nuclear arsenal.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:48 am
gadem
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Just because a weapon is banned doesn’t mean it’ll stop people from buying them.
Again, if strict gun laws are needed then why do the cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest gun crime rates?
FYI, gun laws don’t deter people from purchasing them.
Rightwing Troll
July 24th, 2012
8:49 am
This Joker guy needs to go into the general population of the prison were they’re holding him, that would save the taxpayers money and give those folks in Aurora a small measure of justice…
Large capacity magazines should at the very least require a screening or background check beyond the cursory glance that is required for a gun purchase. Guns don’t need to be outlawed but weapons of mass destruction serve no purpose in a civilized, lawful society. The NRA is a political group as evil to the core as any other, they lie cheat and steal just like the rest of them. For them and their ilk to assert this could’ve been prevented if someone in the theatre was armed is laughable at best.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:50 am
“I suppose using your “logic” everyone is entitled to their very own nuclear arsenal.”
Yeah, JDW, that’s exactly what I meant. My gosh you are too smart. You really got me there.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:51 am
“al Qaeda and liberals”
They have a lot in common. Both hate Christians and Jews. Both want to curb free speech.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
8:52 am
“They just babble what CNN tells them?”
Too bad no one watches CNN.
Mary Elizabeth
July 24th, 2012
8:59 am
From Bill Moyers:
“Every year there are 30,000 gun deaths and 300,000 gun-related assaults in the U.S. Firearm violence may cost our country as much as $100 billion a year. Toys are regulated with greater care and safety concerns. . . .
“We are fooling ourselves. That the law could allow even an inflamed lunatic to easily acquire murderous weapons and not expect murderous consequences. Fooling ourselves that the Second Amendment’s guarantee of a ‘well-regulated militia’ be construed as a God-given right to purchase and own just about any weapon of destruction you like. That’s a license for murder and mayhem and it’s a great fraud that has entered our history. . .
“The killer in Colorado waited only for an opportunity, and there you have it — the arsenal of democracy transformed into the arsenal of death and the NRA, the NRA is the enabler of death — paranoid, delusional, and as venomous as a scorpion. With the weak-kneed acquiescence of our politicians, the National Rifle Association has turned the Second Amendment of the Constitution into a cruel hoax, a cruel and deadly hoax. I’m Bill Moyers.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/watch-living-under-the-gu_b_1691100.html
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July 24th, 2012
9:02 am
If everyone in that theater had been cradling an assault rifle while they watched the movie, how many of you think that El Freako would still have burst through the exit door?
Yep, there is a reason why both al Qaeda and the dummycrats would love to disarm us.
It’s sick, I know, but how much more obvious can it be that they side up with the murderers?
@@
July 24th, 2012
9:05 am
Why do gun advocates resist? It’s simple.
Most of us would have preferred that the weekend be a time to mourn and pray for the families of the 12 people killed and 58 wounded by this madman. Unfortunately, while families of the victims were grieving, policitians and advocacy groups were already railing against guns and calling for more gun control laws.
Leftist creep has become all too obvious.
Rahm Emmanuel let the cat out of the bag when he said…”Never let a serious crisis go to waste.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 24th, 2012
9:06 am
And for the silly canard that an armed moviegoer would have started shooting wildly, accidentally killing a bunch of fellow innocents and then crapped his pants, we will never know. Because guns were BANNED in the theater.
Moron liberals, unreal.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:07 am
In this country, there are people that are evil, crazy, insane…
There are also people that are unstable, alcoholics, drug addicts…
There are also people that are insecure, uneducated…
There are millions here illegally…
There are also people that are responsible, secure and educated…
Guess which ones CAN’T go to a gun show, buy lots of assault weapons and ammunition and then walk into the nearest mall and open fire?
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:10 am
Forgot one…
There are people that would soil themselves and shoot someone by accident if then ever faced a situation like this…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:12 am
“From Bill Moyers”
And I stopped reading.
td
July 24th, 2012
9:13 am
fair and balanced
July 24th, 2012
7:11 am
“two hundred years of judicial interpretations of the second amendment went out the window with the Heller decision”
That would be about 50 years of bad liberal interpretation of 2nd Amendment has been put back to the original intent.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 24th, 2012
9:13 am
Project yourself on others all you want, Lord Help Us, but I don’t know very many former front line infantrymen that would pee their pants and empty their clip into the ceiling if confronted with such a situation.
Maybe in your world….
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:14 am
Mary Elizabeth
More people die from cancer, cars and heart attacks. Should we ban those?
““The killer in Colorado waited only for an opportunity, and there you have it — the arsenal of democracy transformed into the arsenal of death and the NRA, the NRA is the enabler of death”
So the NRA is to blame for Holmes?
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:15 am
“There are people that would soil themselves and shoot someone by accident if then ever faced a situation like this…”
Then again, you have nothing to back that up with.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:16 am
Mary Elizabeth
I know that most of the time you mean well when you post and opinion but you are flat out wrong if you think banning guns is the answer. Like I posted several times, the cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest gun crime. Not one single lib can answer my question about why that is.
Can you?
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July 24th, 2012
9:17 am
The proof is always against the liberals-
Two teens were shot and injured by a 71-year-old central Florida man who refused to stand by while the young men allegedly tried to rob an Internet café.
Williams is apparently seen firing two shots at Henderson, who quickly heads for the front door. The 71-year-old then begins to fire at both of the young men, who appear to panic and hurriedly fall over as they flee the scene.
Who crapped their pants in this situation? Yep, the liberals did.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:18 am
“Guess which ones CAN’T go to a gun show, buy lots of assault weapons and ammunition and then walk into the nearest mall and open fire?”
I’ve been to many gun shows and I’ve never seen anyone buy lots of assault rifles. Ever. You’re either lying or you’re just ignorant.
td
July 24th, 2012
9:23 am
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:18 am
“You’re either lying or you’re just ignorant”
If this was not Kyle’s blog and his trying to keep it civil then I would answer this question.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:24 am
‘but I don’t know very many former front line infantrymen that would pee their pants and empty their clip into the ceiling if confronted with such a situation.’
Oh yes, the 101st Chairborne.
My point was about the number of people that, if carrying concealed in that theater (dark, crowded, panic, confusion), would either inaccurately assess the situation or panic themselves.
JDW
July 24th, 2012
9:30 am
@Logic…”Yeah, JDW, that’s exactly what I meant”
So where do you draw the line….assault weapons are ok…how about machine guns or rocket launchers. Problem with your “logic” is that it has no end. If individuals have the unfettered right to weapons then they are entitled to anything.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:31 am
‘I’ve been to many gun shows and I’ve never seen anyone buy lots of assault rifles. Ever. You’re either lying or you’re just ignorant.’
So have I…but you didn’t answer the question.
Here’s one more question for you to deflect: can a person that is unstable, mentally deficient, uneducated, insane, illegal, etc. go to a gun show and buy an assault weapon?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 24th, 2012
9:33 am
There are two types of people that shoot wildly. muslims and liberals. That’s why they usually die at a ratio of 20 to 1 when confronted by trained riflemen or why some three year old kid sitting on their porch gets killed by stray bullets.
JDW
July 24th, 2012
9:34 am
@logic…”More people die from cancer, cars and heart attacks. Should we ban those”
What a great idea…o wait we spend Billions each year trying to do exactly that.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:35 am
“can a person that is unstable, mentally deficient, uneducated, insane, illegal, etc. go to a gun show and buy an assault weapon?”
Not sure about illegals since gun shows do background checks. If a person is a law abiding citizen, then yes.
No deflections there, sport.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:36 am
“What a great idea…o wait we spend Billions each year trying to do exactly that.”
We spend billions trying to ban cars, cancer and heart attacks? Huh, who knew.
td
July 24th, 2012
9:37 am
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:24 am
And if there would have been someone shooting back at this fool then how much attention would he had to pay vs picking out people to randomly mow down?
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:37 am
“So where do you draw the line….assault weapons are ok…how about machine guns or rocket launchers.”
Um, sport, rocket launchers aren’t allowed to be sold to people. You can go over the top all you want, but you know full-well that rocket launchers, missiles etc are not sold to the public.
Assault weapons are fine in my book since it’s rare that they’re ever used to gun down people in America.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:38 am
“If this was not Kyle’s blog and his trying to keep it civil then I would answer this question.”
It wasnt’ a question.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:39 am
‘Not sure about illegals since gun shows do background checks.’
For someone that a few posts ago touted their ‘experience,’ you just failed…
Dealers at gun shows check id’s and do background checks. Right next door to the dealers at the gun shows are ‘private citizens’ that can sell you an assault weapon with no id check at all.
Apparently, you have never been to one…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:39 am
JDW
Since I answered your question, answer mine.
Why do the cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest gun crime rates?
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:41 am
“For someone that a few posts ago touted their ‘experience,’ you just failed…”
Then
“Dealers at gun shows check id’s and do background checks.”
You answered your own question, sport.
“Right next door to the dealers at the gun shows are ‘private citizens’ that can sell you an assault weapon with no id check at all.”
I’ve never seen anyone right next to a door selling assault weapons, sport. Did you go to a gun show in Mexico?
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:41 am
“Apparently, you have never been to one…”
Yep, you got me, sport. I’ve never been to a gun show before. Nope, never.
JDW
July 24th, 2012
9:42 am
@logic…”Huh, who knew.”
Why anyone that can use “logic”. Every hear of cancer research? How about all the cash auto companies spend on research into safety. Why do you supposethat is.. Why to eradicate or ban each cause of death.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:42 am
‘And if there would have been someone shooting back at this fool then how much attention would he had to pay vs picking out people to randomly mow down?’
Don’t know and neither do you. What I can imagine is a dark, crowded theater. Shots are fired, panic and confusion escalate.
My take on this scene is that more people with weapons (some that would wet their pants) that inaccurately assess the situation or panic might make the situation far worse.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:43 am
‘Yep, you got me, sport. I’ve never been to a gun show before. Nope, never.’
Well, then you should know that private sellers at gun shows do not check id’s or do background checks. Pay attention next time you go, sport…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:48 am
“Why anyone that can use “logic”. Every hear of cancer research? How about all the cash auto companies spend on research into safety. Why do you supposethat is.. Why to eradicate or ban each cause of death.”
There is nothing in your rant about banning cancer, sport. Try again.
td
July 24th, 2012
9:49 am
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:42 am
I will quote you: “Don’t know and neither do you.”. I know I carry and would not be wetting my pants.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:49 am
“Well, then you should know that private sellers at gun shows do not check id’s or do background checks. Pay attention next time you go, sport…
I don’t go to gun shows to check out “illegal” gun sales, sport. I’m not a paranoid individual like you.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:49 am
JDW continues to deflect and not answer my question. Typical lib.
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July 24th, 2012
9:50 am
Check it out, 12 people died and 71 were wounded and some suggest it would have been worse if there’d been another gun there.
And then they go on to illicit that there is some nefarious private transfer of “assault” weapons to the mentally deranged, an underground arming of the insane industry, if you will.
Who’s wet their pants?
JDW
July 24th, 2012
9:50 am
@logic…”Why do the cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest gun crime rates?”
Because they waited until the problem was out of control to act. The area was already flooded with weapons. Additionally there is the problem of import, cities that have a problem can’t control import.
A better example is London. Weapons were strictly controlled in the 70’s and guy violence is almost non-existent. You can dig into American history for tangible examples…what was the first thing the new sheriff in town did to clean up…why ban guns in town.
td
July 24th, 2012
9:53 am
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:43 am
“Well, then you should know that private sellers at gun shows do not check id’s or do background checks.”
You obviously have never been to a gun show or you would know that any “private” seller with a table at a gun show is required to do a background check. It is usually done by the gun show. After the check comes back then the private seller will ship the gun to the buyer. Only Federally certified dealers are allowed to go to a gun show, purchase a weapon and walk out with one. Private citizens are not allowed.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:54 am
‘I don’t go to gun shows to check out “illegal” gun sales, sport. I’m not a paranoid individual like you.’
Neither do I, but that fact that you are unaware of this fact does not reflect well on your awareness…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:54 am
“Because they waited until the problem was out of control to act. ”
That makes ZERO sense. Chicago etc have all had strict gun laws for decades.
Try again.
“Additionally there is the problem of import, cities that have a problem can’t control import.”
Again, that makes no sense. In states where guns are legal, the gun crime rate is lower.
“A better example is London.”
No not really. I’m talking US cities and you’re deflecting to a city from another country entirely.
JDW
July 24th, 2012
9:54 am
@logic…”There is nothing in your rant about banning cancer, sport. Try again.”
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:55 am
“Neither do I, but that fact that you are unaware of this fact does not reflect well on your awareness…’
I’m not as paranoid as you, I guess. If you can back up your claim with facts, I’ll be more than happy to read it.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:55 am
” might I suggest your local reading comprehension program”
Deflections get you nowhere, sport.
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:55 am
‘You obviously have never been to a gun show or you would know that any “private” seller with a table at a gun show is required to do a background check. It is usually done by the gun show. After the check comes back then the private seller will ship the gun to the buyer. Only Federally certified dealers are allowed to go to a gun show, purchase a weapon and walk out with one. Private citizens are not allowed.’
Complete BS…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:56 am
“A better example is London.
London doesn’t have gang problems or black on black violence like the USA does. Try again.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
9:57 am
“Complete BS…”
Then prove the statement wrong.
JDW
July 24th, 2012
9:59 am
@”logic”…so I guess other countries are other worlds in your experience. I am done with you…I can lead a horse to water but can’t make hom drink. So long as misguided souls such as yourself are successful in protecting the gun industry we will continue to suffer both regular massacres and the highest incident of gun deathi the industrialized world.
td
July 24th, 2012
10:00 am
Lord Help Us
July 24th, 2012
9:55 am
“Complete BS…”
No it is your asinine silly bed wetting statements that are complete “BS” my friend. I am telling you what the rules at gun shows are and it does not fit your preconceived, brainwashed mind of a gun show. Like I said you have never been to a gun show and are just making it up as you go to fit your agenda.
JDW
July 24th, 2012
10:00 am
@logic..”London doesn’t have gang problems or black on black violence like the USA does. Try again.”
Too good to pass up…guess you slept through the gang riots last year…
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
10:01 am
“so I guess other countries are other worlds in your experience.”
Nope, I just asked a question about US cities and you go and throw London into the mix. You deflect because you can’t answer the question.
“So long as misguided souls such as yourself are successful in protecting the gun industry we will continue to suffer both regular massacres and the highest incident of gun deathi the industrialized world.”
What’s so stupid about that comment is the fact that no matter how many bans you put on guns, people will always find a way to get their hands on them.
FACT: Weed, meth etc are all illegal but people still get them.
Try again, sport.
@@
July 24th, 2012
10:01 am
Off-topic!
Eurozone crisis live: Germany’s credit rating outlook lowered to negative–Rating agency cuts outlook on three Eurozone countries.
Europe editor Ian Traynor reports that “a consensus” is building among the German political class that the time may be nearing to cut Greece adrift, and force it out of the euro.
The EU was doomed from its inception.
As the financial authorities prepare for disaster, the Foreign Office should be preparing for a massive political opportunity – to reshape Europe.
Our aim, inside or outside the EU, should be to end the ruinous restriction and over-regulation of our economic life, ranging from agriculture, fishing and the financial markets through to employment laws.
An ER (European Republic)?
schnirt
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
10:02 am
“Too good to pass up…guess you slept through the gang riots last year”
Those “gangs” were Muslim, sport. If you want to talk about that issue, have at it. Besides, those gangs burned up cars and stabbed people.
Should we ban knives and fire, sport?
@@
July 24th, 2012
10:11 am
As I recall, the UK rioters were blacks, whites and Asians raging against the establishment, kinda like our useless OWS crowd.
Mary Elizabeth
July 24th, 2012
10:30 am
Logic, 9:16 am
“. . .you are flat out wrong if you think banning guns is the answer.”
————————————————————————
Logic,
Neither I, nor Bill Moyers, suggested that guns should be “banned.” He and I do suggest, however, that guns need greater regulation in our nation. When toys have greater regulation in the U. S. – for the purpose of public safety – than guns do, then I believe that we need to rethink how we regulate gun control in America.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
10:56 am
“He and I do suggest, however, that guns need greater regulation in our nation. ”
Then tell me how the cities with the highest gun crime rate all have strict gun laws.
“I believe that we need to rethink how we regulate gun control in America.”
Same here. Ban criminals and gangs.
Rightwing Troll
July 24th, 2012
11:20 am
“Then tell me how the cities with the highest gun crime rate all have strict gun laws.
“I believe that we need to rethink how we regulate gun control in America.”
Same here. Ban criminals and gangs.”
It’s too bad Kyle won’t let us libs “comment” like he does the wingnuts… but whatever it’s his blog… It’s frightening how ugly it gets when you all wingnuts and your ilks get together in one place.
Anyway… I can’t help but notice that those same cities with gun laws and high crime rates already have laws against criminals and gangs… ergo that approach doesn’t work either.
Kyle Wingfield
July 24th, 2012
11:22 am
Rightwing Troll: You’re free to comment here as long as you follow the rules. See No. 2.
SBinF
July 24th, 2012
12:22 pm
I wonder why middle class murderers from the suburbs are “madmen” while gang banger murderers from the inner city are thugs.
The guy isn’t mad. He’s a killer. That’s it.
Logic was never intended for libs
July 24th, 2012
12:26 pm
“It’s too bad Kyle won’t let us libs “comment” like he does the wingnuts… but whatever it’s his blog… It’s frightening how ugly it gets when you all wingnuts and your ilks get together in one place.”
Too bad you can’t type a coherent sentence.
Rightwing Troll
July 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
What can I say… I’m a product of the GA education system… that’s what happens when you teach wingnuttery in schools instead of the 3 R’s…
md
July 24th, 2012
1:25 pm
“md: So expressing sympathy with the boy’s family, the people who have to live with the loss of their son, is premature? If Zimmerman is telling the truth, does that make the death of a teen-age son any less disturbing to his parents?”
Mr B….one can express sympathy without jumping to conclusions and possibly putting one’s foot in one’s mouth.
Let’s pretend that Martin turned out to have had more in his background than was/is currently known……suppose the guy was found to be a real honest to goodness thug…….
Now, apply his comment and see how it sounds…………that is why a smarter man would choose his words more carefully.
Common Cents
July 24th, 2012
1:33 pm
Weighing in on the gun control question, I don’t blame my tooth brush or my dentist when I get a cavity and I don’t blame uns for Holmes killing 12 people and injuring scores more. Do we need to make a better toothbrus? Definitely! Holmes should have never been able to stockpile the number of bombs, chemicals and weapons he did in such a short period of time. However, the ultimate responsibility lies with James Holmes and no one else. Not the NRA, not gun manufacturers,not hollywood for making movies and defintiely not his parents (who of course pushed him too hard and didn’t hug him enough).
gm
July 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
Wow, surprise he is not a Mulism from the brother hood, we have so many idiots like M. Bachman and scum bag R. Limbaugh and the racist Glen Beck, who are so bent on accusing people of color as terrorist yet all the major killings have been inside terrorist of sick white males.
gm
July 24th, 2012
4:52 pm
Amazing, Travon Martin had no record was only 17, walking home not bothering anyone yet he was killed and the right wing nut jobs accuse him of being a thug, and the killer goes on misinformed fox and make up a story because a dead man can not talk and the right makes him hero.
This monster kills 12 people and all you hear from the right he had a mental break down, and the right wonders why people around the world look at them as a bunch of bigots and hypocrites””””
Old Farmer
July 26th, 2012
3:54 pm
I do not think that Holmes is a madman. I do not believe he is legally insane. I believe he is putting on an act.
This man knew what he did was wrong. When he was caught he warned the cops that his apartment was full of explosives. This proves he knew right from wrong. A true madman would have seen no need to warn the cops.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
July 29th, 2012
1:38 am
Slick Rick: repeal of the “right to bear arms” is the only solution to our gun crazy problem.
———-
The fascist Democrat wet dream of dismantling the Bill of Rights is not an option.
And tell us why we should believe any effort to ban possession of firearms would be any more successful than the war on drugs.