Senate Dem leader: We’re taking the middle class hostage

Let it be noted that the first “hostage taker” reference in this year’s debate over extending the current income-tax rates should be applied to Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, who made clear in a speech Monday at the Brookings Institution that she and other Democrats will make the middle class pay if they can’t raise taxes on “the rich.”

Murray is the fifth-ranking Senate Democrat, so I take her remarks seriously.

Here are the first two “key excerpts” from the speech as listed on a press release from Murray’s office (these and the entire speech are available here):

… if Republicans won’t work with us on a balanced approach, we are not going to get a deal. Because I feel very strongly that we simply cannot allow middle class families and the most vulnerable Americans to bear this burden alone.

and

So if we can’t get a good deal, a balanced deal that calls on the wealthy to pay their fair share, then I will absolutely continue this debate into 2013 rather than lock in a long-term deal this year that throws middle class families under the bus. And I think my party, and the American people, will support that.

Got that? Murray and her party don’t want the middle class to get thrown under the bus alone, but they are perfectly willing to throw the middle class under the bus so long as “the wealthy” are down there, too. That, in their view, is better than the status quo.

Before sticking to that position, Murray might want to brush up on recent evidence about what the American people will support (note in particular the breakdowns for groups such as 18-to-29-year-olds, Latinos and those earning less than $50,000 a year).

– By Kyle Wingfield

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carlosgvv

July 18th, 2012
1:51 pm

Kyle, I’ve read this five times and I just don’t see her saying anything about “taking the middle class hostage”. Also, I don’t see anything about her being willing to “throw the middle class under the bus”. I guess we’re not reading the same article.

JDW

July 18th, 2012
1:56 pm

@Kyle…bus…hostage…where? :roll:

On the other hand….

“if Republicans won’t work with us on a balanced approach, we are not going to get a deal. Because I feel very strongly that we simply cannot allow middle class families and the most vulnerable Americans to bear this burden alone.”

Preach On Sister, Preach On!

If Republicans try the same nonsense they tried last time this issue came up they deserve to be “thrown under the bus” by the “middle class hostages”.

@@

July 18th, 2012
1:59 pm

It’s that vengeance thingy!

Where would dems be without their victims?

schnirt

Jefferson

July 18th, 2012
1:59 pm

Win some, lose some and some are rained out. Its only money.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 18th, 2012
2:03 pm

The Senate won’t belong to the dummycrats in November so let this lib blow.

Give her the microphone.

Del

July 18th, 2012
2:04 pm

Good old Patty Dreary

Jefferson

July 18th, 2012
2:04 pm

Just pass it on to your employer, I don’t pay taxes, they do.

stands for decibels

July 18th, 2012
2:04 pm

I’ve been on record for years as supporting an end to the Bush era tax cuts for everyone, although I’d prefer that they be phased out hitting the upper quintile (or thereabouts) first, then hitting the next four, oh, 6-12 months thereafter in descending order.

So if this is what happens if the “hostage” is “shot”, meh.

JMHO. I recognize the political stakes rate far more than a “meh.” But I’ll leave that to others to fight over.

1961_Xer

July 18th, 2012
2:09 pm

So… Murray will throw us middle class families under the bus to keep us from being thrown under the bus. Thanks.

You don't say

July 18th, 2012
2:09 pm

Phase out the current rates back to the Clinton rates over the next two years and do the same with the EITC.

You don't say

July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm

And we need both parties to put everything on the table for cuts. Some areas will need more than others, however no area should be immune.

Jefferson

July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm

Brush up your resume too, while the brushing is good. Waitin’ on the Bus, got my brown paper bag and my takehome pay.

Inside Out

July 18th, 2012
2:15 pm

Am I missing something????

Interested Observer

July 18th, 2012
2:18 pm

Republicans support extending the Bush tax cuts for people making $250,000 or less. Democrats support extending the Bush tax cuts for people making $250,000 or less. So, why not just extend the Bush tax cuts for people making $250,000 or less? It’s not often that Congress agrees. So when they do agree, they should take action.

Frankly, I don’t buy the argument that Democrats are holding tthe middle class “hostage.” Democrats are willing to extend tax cuts for 98% of Americans today. It’s the Republicans who are refusing to pass legislation that both parties agree on because Republicans can’t get everything they want.

John Galt

July 18th, 2012
2:26 pm

Look at all those taking Kyle to task yet were completely silent on Jay Bookman and his “little people” title the other day.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 18th, 2012
2:31 pm

Murray is in a predominantly republican district. She’s listed as a “Blue Dog” and is trying to desperately hang on to her seat via hook or crook. IOW — she’ll say or do anything she has to do to get reelected.

If there is such a thing as karma, I hope she’s creamed by another more “liberal” dem in the Primary.

John Galt

July 18th, 2012
2:34 pm

“A favorite talking point among redistributionists is to say the tax code was much “fairer” under President Bill Clinton, than it has been since the Bush tax cuts of 2003. New Congressional Budget Office (CBO) figures show that the top 1% paid 21.3% of all federal taxes from 1993 to 2000, when Clinton was president, but they paid 25.1% from 2003 to 2008, after the Bush tax cuts. If 21.3% was a fair share in the Clinton years, then the top 1% has been paying much more than its fair share since 2003.”

—Cato Institute

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/the-cbo-on-falling-incomes-and-rising-tax-shares-of-the-top-1/#utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Cato-at-liberty+%28Cato+at+Liberty%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

weetamoe

July 18th, 2012
2:34 pm

Chappaquiddick July 18 1969 : a smart, beautiful young woman abandoned in a watery grave by the former (cowardly) lion of the senate.

@@

July 18th, 2012
2:36 pm

From the McClatchy link:

Yet some of the strongest support for extending all of the tax cuts came from some of Obama’s most reliable supporters, such as young voters, minorities and the poor and working class.

Young voters ages 18-29 favored tax cuts for everyone by a margin of 69-29, the largest margin of any age group.

Latinos favored tax cuts for all incomes by 62 percent to 36 percent.

Whites supported tax cuts for every income by 50 percent to 44 percent.

African-Americans split, 48 percent for limiting the tax cuts to incomes below $250,000 and 47 percent for extending them to all incomes.

And those making less than $50,000 supported tax cuts for all incomes by 53 percent to 41 percent.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/13/156148/poll-majority-want-tax-cuts-for.html#storylink=cpy

^^^ That gives me hope the dem’s class warfare tactics have FINALLY lost their appeal.

There’s no value in pitting Americans against one another.

stands for decibels

July 18th, 2012
2:43 pm

From the McClatchy link:

…wherein we learn that Americans support tax cuts.

Ya don’t say.

Did they ask these Americans how they felt about ponies? And puppies?

jay

July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm

I predict Kyle is gonna be one madly disappointed conservative shill blowhard come the end of the second Tuesday in November.

curious

July 18th, 2012
2:47 pm

Does this mean the Republicans are willing to throw the middle class “under the bus” if they don’t get their tax cut?

Sounds like the Republicans are the ones holding the middle class hostage.

jay

July 18th, 2012
2:48 pm

@@ – “There’s no value in pitting Americans against one another.”

Wrong, you are. It worked very very well for George the Fratboy. If it aids in Obama’s reelection, I’m all for it.

Dusty

July 18th, 2012
2:54 pm

I must say………..

Sounds like the Mafia is writing ;propaganda notes for the Democrats this year. At least , they haven’t said “We’ll bury you in New Jersey !” Well, not yet. I guess “throw you under the bus” sounds a little less murderous. A threat is a threat is a threat and you can bet on that!

Thank you, Patty Murray. And she is a SENATOR representing the people of American in Washington ???

Folks, we are in BIG trouble.

You don't say

July 18th, 2012
2:56 pm

Dusty

Guess you haven’t really looked into the two dolts we have here in GA: Isakson and Chambliss.

And I voted for one of them….

Pizzaman

July 18th, 2012
2:57 pm

I can’t believe what I saw on South Cobb Drive yesterday. A white man, older than I (also white) with an Obama/Biden 2012 sticker. Must have been a Yankee transplant or a mistake!

Kyle, if you Repubs can’t get off this no new taxes and cut what is there, I want you to win. And when your side loose Social Security and Medicare I want to hear Mitt explain how it’s creating jobs. Neither party has any idea what to do except spend REDICILOUS amounts of money trying to BUY the election.

Vote early, vote often!

Dusty

July 18th, 2012
3:10 pm

Jay @ 2:48

Jay, in case you haven’t noticed, Bush is not in this election although I wish he was or somebody like him. So put down your AK47, hide the gang tatoos and try to control your envy of rich and successful people. Let the Dem senators in Washington carry out the threatening maneuvers. They have had more practice.

Dusty

July 18th, 2012
3:14 pm

You don’t say @2:56

Alll I’ve got to say about Isakson and Chambliss, is this: If you don’t like them they must be good.

jay

July 18th, 2012
3:16 pm

Dusty – Oh brother! I guess I ought not to be surprised, however, since reading comprehension never was a strong suit of the unwashed, anti-”elites” conservative crowd. In case YOU didn’t notice (which, clearly, YOU did not), the Fratboy was used as a counterpoint to @@’s wrongheaded assertion that “There’s no value in pitting Americans against one another.” Next time, please try reading AND comprehending (that’s why they call it “reading comprehension”, duh!) before responding. Thank you.

Mike

July 18th, 2012
3:17 pm

Republicans think the country needs more rich people. Democrats think the country needs more poor people.

Inside Out

July 18th, 2012
3:18 pm

@@,

Will you please tell me has there EVER been a time when Americans have not been pitted against one another???? This country has been built on competition and what is competition if not one vs. the other??? And in this country, it is not just one do a bit better and the both do well, its I win, and crush youand run you out of business or you do the same to me…… The Red-heads have really jumped the shark with this one…..

Shine

July 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

Gag———raise taxes on large incomes AND cut spending. When will the kook Republicons grow up?

Dusty

July 18th, 2012
3:20 pm

Pizzaman, 2:57

So there was an old white guy on Cobb Drive with an Obama sticker on his bumper. Why were those guys with nets and strait jackets chasing him?

Shine

July 18th, 2012
3:23 pm

Dusty, they wanted a cool bumper sticker too, not a drag Romney the kook sticker.

Ray

July 18th, 2012
3:23 pm

Dusty why do you have to be so nasty and bitter all the time? Is it possible for you to communicate your thoughts (and often good ideas) without the all that drippy venom? I often vote Republican, contribute to Republicans and volunteer for their campaigns, so please don’t go off on me down that path, again.. It just more pleasant to hear a true debate on issues, than all this name calling.

Bruno

July 18th, 2012
3:28 pm

Kyle, I’ve read this five times and I just don’t see her saying anything about “taking the middle class hostage”. Also, I don’t see anything about her being willing to “throw the middle class under the bus”.

I have to agree with Carlos that Kyle’s characterization was a little over the top.

However, what is even more over the top is the ongoing Democrat meme that somehow the “rich” aren’t paying their fair share in taxes. If we’re going to address the budget crisis head-on, it will take a shared sacrifice. Letting the Bush/Obama tax cuts expire in their entirety is one approach.

Ultimately, we’re spending waaaay too much as a country. During Bush’s reign, we spent an average of $ 2.5 T per year. now, the new “baseline” budget figure is $3.5 T. We haven’t had that much inflation in the past few years to justify an almost 50% increase in spending. Cut, and cut now.

DannyX

July 18th, 2012
3:28 pm

Pew Research poll. July 12-15, 2012

“Do you think raising taxes on income over $250,000 would help the economy, hurt the economy, or not make a difference?”

Help…44%
Hurt…22%
No Difference…24%
Unsure…11%

“Do you think raising taxes on income over $250,000 would make the tax system more fair make the tax system less fair, or not make a difference?”

More Fair…44%
Less Fair…21%
No Difference…25%
Unsure…10%

Frontman

July 18th, 2012
3:29 pm

DebbieDoRight,
“Murray is in a predominantly Republican district.”
Huh? She’s a SENATOR. They are elected statewide. The WA House delegation has 5 long-term Dems and 4 Reps. Both US Senators are Dems.
And, if you think Murray is a Blue Dog, then you probably thought that Ted Kennedy was a conservative.

Bruno

July 18th, 2012
3:29 pm

Dusty why do you have to be so nasty and bitter all the time?

Ray–Dusty is nice to me. ;-)

DannyX

July 18th, 2012
3:30 pm

“However, what is even more over the top is the ongoing Democrat meme that somehow the “rich” aren’t paying their fair share in taxes.”

See my 3:28 post, doesn’t seem to over the top at all.

Bruno

July 18th, 2012
3:32 pm

The Senate won’t belong to the dummycrats in November so let this lib blow.

Reporter–The Repubs are going to have to win the House, Senate AND the White House if we have any chance of repealing ObamaCare. It’s only too bad the Supreme Court justices forgot all about their vows to uphold the Constitution and interpret the law as written. Roberts took it upon himself to rewrite the damn thing.

Capt Jack

July 18th, 2012
3:33 pm

Anyone starting a conversation with we vs. they or, us vs. them is the reason the US is in mess and should be removed from the process.

Dusty

July 18th, 2012
3:33 pm

Jay, dear heart, 3:16

My reading comprehension is very good. Good enough to spot a devoted do-or-die Democrat a mile off. Their introduction is always “Bush Bush Bush” before they give the “blah blah blah” team cry against the “evil rich” ( even though the “evil rich” are most often Democrats).

PS…You do know that Prez Obama is very rich! And….he hangs out with those elite “frat boys”! Aint it just awful!

jconservative

July 18th, 2012
3:35 pm

The National Debt as of 07/17/2012 – $15,884,155,929,632.05.

Who is going to pay this bill?

@@

July 18th, 2012
3:36 pm

jay:

Wrong, you are. It worked very very well for George the Fratboy. If it aids in Obama’s reelection, I’m all for it.

It was the Iraq war that divided Americans. I find it interesting that, although Obama has gone even further than Bush did in his commitment to defend America against terrorism, there’s no outcry from his previous anti-war advocates.

It’s also interesting that a recent Pew report determined America to be more divided under Obama than it’s ever been.

stands for decibels

July 18th, 2012
3:40 pm

Coupla semi-heretical responses to inquiries/comments.

Who is going to pay this bill?

Same guy who paid it since we started running a debt 200 plus years ago. Nobody. You don’t pay off a national debt. Na gone duit.

And I guess I’ll lie awake nights worrying about our overall debt the day that we have to offer something more than zero percent, or whatever it is, for short term T-bills in order to get people to continue having faith in the power of our currency.

we spent an average of $ 2.5 T per year. now, the new “baseline” budget figure is $3.5 T

And maybe we need to spend that much, yes? It’s around ten grand per person in this, the richest, most powerful single nation ever on Earth.

I guess I don’t get the angst over spending ten grand per person, in principle. Now, failing to come anywhere near close to actually funding that spending, I agree, is not something a nation can do forever. However, see also ^^.

Hillbilly D

July 18th, 2012
3:40 pm

A lot of these modern politicians should get out some old films and watch the old time masters. They could talk for an hour and never say a thing. Either that or just learn to stay away from microphones.

Hillbilly D

July 18th, 2012
3:43 pm

sfd

Andrew Jackson did pay off the national debt but he was the last one to do it. I imagine however long the country lasts, his feat will remain unique.

DannyX

July 18th, 2012
3:44 pm

Dusty @ 3:33- “Good enough to spot a devoted do-or-die Democrat a mile off. Their introduction is always “Bush Bush Bush”

Wall Street Journal Poll June 20-24, 2012.

“When you think about the current economic conditions, do you feel that this is a situation that Barack Obama has inherited or is this a situation his policies are mostly responsible for?”

Obama inherited…60%
Obama responsible…26%
Some of both…11%
Unsure…3%

These results show why Republicans freak out every time that little 4 letter word is spoken…BUSH!

Of course Democrats will bring up &%^#

jay

July 18th, 2012
3:44 pm

@@ and Dusty (ditzy would be more appropriate, but I suspect it’ll run afoul of Kyle’s diktat . . . er, rules . . . and I’m therefore neither calling nor implying that Dusty is “ditzy”) – YOU’RE BOTH WRONG. End of discussion. Have a nice day and good luck in 2016.