Mr. President: When will ’somebody else’ build my business?
There was a lot of buzz over the weekend, stretching into today, about these remarks President Obama made during a campaign stop Friday in Roanoke, Va.:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
Well, that’s not so controversial, is it? I’ve had some success in my career in journalism, and I am in the habit of referring to the great teachers I had (in college and before), the great upbringing I got from my parents, and some favorable timing/circumstances along the way. Certainly, there are a lot of successful people who want to “give something back” and do so — to churches, their alma maters, to civic organizations …
Wait, what’s that? Obama wants to steer the conversation toward government? Well, I’m not exactly surprised.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
OK, I mentioned teachers, too — although Obama does not differentiate between those in public schools or, like his own daughters’ teachers and his own college professors, those in private schools. (I’m a public-schools product myself.) And it has become routine for Obama to harp on the roads and bridges as if that’s necessarily something the federal government must or should be involved in.
But that wasn’t enough for Obama. As the saying goes, he went there:
If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
Now, if you’re expecting me to slam Obama for that comment — and the idea that government’s role in the creation of the Internet means every online entrepreneur should get down on his knees and thank government, or gladly hand over whatever amount of her profits government thinks she owes it — you’re going to be disappointed today.
Nope, my question is: Where’s mine?
If “somebody else” is going around building these businesses for people, when do “they” make it to me? I’d love for “somebody else” come “make that happen” for me. I mean, a business doesn’t “get [started] on its own!”
So … when should I expect “somebody” to call and make the appointment for handing off this new business, Mr. President?
– By Kyle Wingfield
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I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 16th, 2012
1:09 pm
Pol Pot would be down with this sentiment.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 16th, 2012
1:11 pm
I wonder if obozo believes in Angka too?
What Angka giveth, Ankga can taketh away, just sayin..
Unless of course you throw foreign trash out of the white house.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
1:16 pm
The sad part is that the very people he lauds as being responsible for the success of others – the teachers – are the ones who are responsible for the significant segment of this population that will believe this Liar-in-Chief’s line of bull.
Halftrack
July 16th, 2012
1:19 pm
Is Obummer saying it took, Acorn, Soros, Unions, graveyard voters,et al. to give him the Presidency. He didn’t do it his way.
John Galt
July 16th, 2012
1:25 pm
When we have had enough of this babble from Obama?
He must be feeling very guilty about the income he is earning since it was due to the efforts of someone else. I suggest if he really believes what he says, he would give it all back immediately.
Odds of Obama giving back his income? Slimmer than winning the Powerball Lottery.
md
July 16th, 2012
1:32 pm
The man is merely laughable at this point……..by his logic, those that created this great nation had to of had help from some form of gov’t……Lewis and Clark must of been following the yellow brick road through the backcountry previously paved by Obama’s ancestors………
His excuses have gone to the next level…………
Gordon
July 16th, 2012
1:37 pm
When a business succeeds, we are to give back to government over and above the taxes we paid. But when a business fails, does the government make us whole? Does all the work and effort that went towards nothing except possibly a leaning experience ever get repaid?
The president completely ignores the fact that it is risk and hard work as well that produces highly successful people.
md
July 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
Makes one wonder if the man even wrote his own books……….did someone do that for him too?
Of course that really is a question rambling around the internet, but one would think it to be true if the man says folks don’t do squat on their own…………..
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
1:41 pm
Typical Republicanism.
Every successful person in America has had a ton of help on the way. In the obnoxious Republican mind though they made it all by themselves. And everyone else is a freeloader who just wants to mooch off them.
In real life the roles are reversed. Its often the poor who work two and three jobs for low pay and probably no insurance. While those with means like Romney and Bush are given every handout, every door is opened wide. They have it very very easy.
You wanna know something about the two candidates know this.
Romney was born rich. He probably got his first Swiss bank account before he turned 18.
Obama not so long ago paid off his student loans. In 2004.
Big difference.
dc
July 16th, 2012
1:41 pm
dang….he must’ve deviated from the prepared text. “Where is my teleprompter, damnit!!”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
Maybe the heat got to obozo and there were no paralegals around to help him out?
joe
July 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
Just about the most idiotic thing this president has said yet…and that’s really saying something with all the horse hockey pucks coming out of his mouth…how anyone can still want to vote for him is asinine…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.”
This is the “thinking” that has killed the America which was once the greatest nation on the face of this Earth.
East Lake Ira
July 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
I see the whiners are out in full force here today.
Businesses are not created in a vacuum. They use the fruits of government spending to create wealth for themselves and have a duty to “pay it forward” to future generations.
Get over yourselves. Taxes are now at an historically low level. Suck it up and pay more.
JDW
July 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
@Kyle…”So … when should I expect “somebody” to call and make the appointment for handing off this new business, Mr. President?”
You remind me of the preacher that drowned once upon a time.
You see there was a flood and most people left in the area including the preacher had climbed to higher ground to await rescue by boat. Shortly a rowboat (interstate highway system) came by and invited the preacher in but he responded no, no the Lord (lower taxes)will save me.
Later the water had risen higher and the preacher found himself on the roof of the porch and a much larger boat (defense spending) happened by. Preacher preacher, they shouted grab this ladder and climb up. But the preacher replied no on the Lord (lower taxes) will save me.
Finally standing on the roof with the water up to his nose a helicopter (The Internet) came and dropped a line. Preacher preacher they called down grab the line and we will pull you to safety. But the preacher replied no no the Lord (lower taxes) will save me.
Of course he drowned. When he got to the Pearly Gates he angrily asked St. Peter how could you let this happen? All my life I have supported the Lord (lower taxes) and now in my hour of need he has abandoned me while those less pure were saved by boats and helicopters (opportunity created by others).
St. Peter replied, you stupid $*& we sent you interstate highways, out of control defense spending and the internet…can’t you see opportunity when it bites you on the @$$?
There is your business Kyle. All you have to do is stop worshiping the false god of lower taxes (Grover Norquist) and open your eyes to the opportunities that others have created for you. It would also help if you were more appreciative.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
1:43 pm
Good to see you are quick to jump right on the Fox News talking points too Kyle.
Its an Election year and you have your marching orders.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
July 16th, 2012
1:44 pm
What a total *facepalm” from the POTUS. Did Elizabeth Warren write his speech?
@@
July 16th, 2012
1:45 pm
I’m thinkin’ he should have started his campaign later in his presidency instead of the first day of. His brain is short circuiting…turning to mush, if you will.
Common Sense
July 16th, 2012
1:45 pm
The message is always the same and very clear from your POTUS.
You have no “right” to what you yourself choose to do or not do.
You are responsible for everyone else.
Thus, we have the perfect argument that individuals do not matter nor count in any manner.
To be significant, to be defended, one must be part of a group.
To be defended by this POTUS one must be a member of a specific group.
Individual accomplishments and rights worthless.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
1:45 pm
The GI Bill
Boy that never created any opportunities for anyone.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
July 16th, 2012
1:46 pm
“It would also help if you were more appreciative.”
*Facepalm” 2.0
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
1:47 pm
Outsource the GOP
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
1:48 pm
You have no “right” to what you yourself choose to do or not do.
You are responsible for everyone else.
Where did he say that ???
Its sort of like Al Gore saying he invented the internet.
Guess what. He never said that either.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
1:48 pm
Mitt Romney the junk bond king..Vote OBAMA 2012..
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
1:49 pm
No more tax breaks for outsourcers.
Dearie
July 16th, 2012
1:49 pm
JDW
July 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
REALLY?????
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
1:49 pm
Deport Mittens..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
1:50 pm
“Did Elizabeth Warren write his speech?”
Silly, rabbit. Everybody knows Elizabeth Warren plagiarizes all her submissions . . .
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
1:50 pm
Bain is going to sink Romney anyway.
That and his unreleased tax returns. Wanna bet there is a reason he doesn’t want you to see them. LOL
Fat Lady isn’t singing but she is warming up.
Del
July 16th, 2012
1:52 pm
We need to understand that Obama never built a business, therefore it should be understandable why he doesn’t fully understand the elements that go into it. In fact the president is so ignorant on the subject of building a business that he doesn’t understand why his policies have been an impediment to expanding sufficient business activity that would significantly lower our current unemployment and heal our economy. We should understand the presidents lack of private sector experience and help him by voting him out of office this November so as to remove the burden of this ineptitude from his shoulders.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
1:54 pm
Actually, the Liar-in-Chief does have a point.
A business owner has to work 80-100 hours per week just to counteract the negative effects of a government gone amok.
So her or she is NOT alone. They have a boat anchor tied to them from day one and every day thereafter.
dc
July 16th, 2012
1:54 pm
of course he said this…because if it’s not really yours, he can take all of it that he wants!!!
Mandingo
July 16th, 2012
1:54 pm
Kyle, is it my imagination or are 90 % of your blog articles about Obama did this , that or the other and it is causing problems for a Johnny Reb somewhere in America ?? Why don’t you write something specific to Georgia politics and outcomes for the state ? Is this the Atlanta Journal or the Fox News Gazette ?
dc
July 16th, 2012
1:57 pm
this’ll sure help entrepreneurs, who are responsible for the vast majority of the job creation in this country, want to put their families money at risk, and work vast hours building a business and hire people…………oh, you think it won’t? I wonder why we have so few jobs. amazing how that works (or doesn’t)
dc
July 16th, 2012
1:58 pm
ahh, when the idiot in chief steps on his dxxx, it’s time to change the subject, huh. too funny
DawgDad
July 16th, 2012
2:00 pm
Having a President so disrespectful of Americans and taxpayers as to utter those words does indeed represent true “change”. This is the face of tyranny – this is how tyranny gains a foothold. It CAN happen again, and it WILL happen here in America if we don’t stand up and be counted.
md
July 16th, 2012
2:01 pm
“Businesses are not created in a vacuum. They use the fruits of government spending to create wealth for themselves and have a duty to “pay it forward” to future generations.”
Pure hogwash…….those “fruits of gov’t” are also available to any and all, yet any and all don’t go out and risk their savings on creating their own business………
People actually make that choice when they choose one of 2 things……….the perceived security of working for someone else, without laying out ones own expenditures, usually comes with benefits, and sometimes allows one to work 8 hrs and go home……….OR, venture out on their own with none of the aforementioned securities in place………
Now, go make your choice and live with it and quit the hogwash about owing anybody anything…..
DawgDad
July 16th, 2012
2:05 pm
… and be careful what you ask for, Kyle. Remember, Government wanted everyone to own a home . . .
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:05 pm
Mandingo, maybe you should consult the archives for all of Kyle’s articles on Georgia ethics reforms, TSPLOST, ans especially on his articles covering all the ballot questions we’ll be voting on in a few days.
Or maybe you should just head elsewhere if you don’t like the subject of his articles.
So, yeah, it is your imagination.
md
July 16th, 2012
2:08 pm
“Its often the poor who work two and three jobs for low pay and probably no insurance.”
And how many put themselves in that position? How many chose not to participate in the opportunity called school? How many do more vs just go to work and go home?
I was there, worked three jobs, poor as dirt……but guess what, that wasn’t enough. I also put myself on the forever plan and paid myself through college……..
Too many think just working 3 jobs is going to be all it takes to get somewhere. And that depends on the individual (and the job) and whether that individual is willing to continue to invest in themselves……if not, they will forever just work 3 jobs………
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
2:09 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012-1:42 pm: This is the “thinking” that has killed the America which was once the greatest nation on the face of this Earth.
Curious: Where does America rank, today, in your eyes?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:11 pm
“Pure hogwash…….those “fruits of gov’t” are also available to any and all, yet any and all don’t go out and risk their savings on creating their own business………”
md, this point of yours needs to be hammered home to everybody. Excellent job!
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
2:11 pm
Why don’t you write something specific to Georgia politics and outcomes for the state ?
The T-SPLOST isn’t specific to Georgia? Do you think Kyle plagiarized his last post from the Topeka Capital-Journal?
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
2:12 pm
Rick Santurom said it best . Mittens is the worst possible canidate for the GOP con machine… hahahaha….losers..
Thomas Heyward Jr.
July 16th, 2012
2:13 pm
Hero of the day and…………………………..Speaking of “Business”.
Since when is it a Federalies “business” to snoop around in Georgian’s coolers——–
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From the AJC————–
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Authorities say a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers ranger is recovering after being repeatedly punched in the face while patrolling a park at Lake Lanier.
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Tim Rainey, the Corps’ operations manager at Lake Lanier, said the attack on Sunday comes after the agency had to reassign shoreline rangers to working the parks because of increased rowdiness and crowds.
Hall County sheriff’s Sgt. Stephen Wilbanks told The Times of Gainesville that the ranger attacked Sunday was patrolling Burton Mill Park when he saw people with alcoholic beverages in a prohibited area. While issuing a citation, the ranger was punched several times before ending the assault by deploying pepper spray.
Authorities say the ranger was taken to Northeast Georgia Medical Center in Gainesville, but was not seriously injured.
Deputies arrested Charlie Brown Jordan, 24, of Suwanee, and took him to the Hall County Jail, where he was charged with obstruction of an officer.
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Please donate to FreeCharlieJordan.com
or………………send commisary payments to Hall County Jail.
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Nip it.Nip it….Nip it.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
2:13 pm
GOP is anti america..
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:14 pm
And how many put themselves in that position?
Very very few. I dont know anybody who ‘Chooses” to be poor
They just didn’t get all the doors open and a silver spoon like Romney.
Congrats on your hard work. I’m sure you got alot of help along the way.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 16th, 2012
2:14 pm
JDW, we’re all anxiously awaiting your defense of Obozo’s “you didn’t build that business” comments.
This must be one of those jobs Americans won’t do. There are Democrats who will give it a try, though.
And no, I’m not implying that Obozo supporters aren’t real Americans. I’m flat out saying it.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:17 pm
I also put myself on the forever plan and paid myself through college……..’
Sounds like Obama . He just paid off his students loans recently too.
I wonder when Romney worked three jobs ? I wonder if he had to get a student loan ?
dc
July 16th, 2012
2:18 pm
what’s terrifying is that, something tells me that these idiots who are currently running our country have no idea how this type of strategy and talk is killing the creation of jobs. I can just see them sitting up there cluelessly wondering why, after spending so much money in the way of the Porkulus “stimulus”, job creation has been so abysmal. Why in the world aren’t “greedy capitalists” putting their money at risk of failure, and working 80-100 hours a week? I mean, all we’ve said is that we the govt deserve our share (say…..75%??)
It’s clear they have NO idea how jobs are created…at least ones that can actually bring value, and make the money that they can then suck off of to fund their govt programs.
Mandingo
July 16th, 2012
2:18 pm
@ Tiberius
Are you Kyle’s illegitimate son ? Thanks for the response to my question but I will wait for your Daddy to answer.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
July 16th, 2012
2:18 pm
If it wasn’t for Gubmint……………….then every small business in America would have done been nuked by crazy Iranians……………or every youth in America would be drug-crazed Zombies fueled by mexican or Columbian Narco-terrists……….or possibly there would be Mooooooslim,/Sharia Law and everybody would be having a head-chopping free-for-all.
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Itn’t that how the rhetoric goes?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
2:19 pm
You folks want the trade and commerce without all the stuff that goes in to making that even possible.
Amazing that people will thank an invisible being (with zero proof whatsoever that he/she/it exists) for anything and everything and yet can’t fathom the thought that they wouldn’t own a business if it weren’t for the laws in this land, the courts, and the security that goes into protecting those laws.
They can’t comprehend that without the railway system, the road system, the mail system, or the Internet system, they wouldn’t be able to sell their creations beyond a radius of several hundred miles.
Without a road or rail system, they would have to hire the people close to them who could actually physically get to work. And how much choice on quality of employee would they have to choose from?
Without the public school system you wouldn’t have masses of somewhat intelligent people to sell your goods to. The more education one has usually the greater their purchasing means.
Without a system of food protections and inspectors you would have a sickly population who probably wouldn’t live long enough to get to an age where they could afford to buy any of your goods.
A society is made up of alot of people pitching in to help create a network and system that allows for trade and commerce in a safe environment with protections and such. You conservatives just want the system to exist in a vacuum (poof, it’s magic…which isn’t a stretch from believing in fairy tales and made up stuff in books from ancient times.). You folks want the trade and commerce without all the stuff that goes in to making that possible.
zebra
July 16th, 2012
2:20 pm
I for one really feel sorry for all these poor, overtaxed small business people. Pretty soon, you won’t even be able to write of your country club membership as an expense or say your brand new Mercedes is a company car and then where will we be, huh?
Do these burdens have no end?
a dad
July 16th, 2012
2:20 pm
Obama believes that because that’s how HE got where he is today. I, repeat that, I, studied all hours of the day and night, worked several jobs to put food on the table, and sacrificed vacation time, etc. in my efforts to get ahead. No one helped me Mr. POTUS, no one.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:21 pm
And no, I’m not implying that Obozo supporters aren’t real Americans. I’m flat out saying it.
Your not a real American. If you hate America so much why dont you just leave? Delta is ready when you are.
What are you gonna do when Obama is reelected ? Are all those people not “real” Americans either ?
Sounds like you are the one who isn’t very American.
md
July 16th, 2012
2:22 pm
“Very very few. I dont know anybody who ‘Chooses” to be poor”
1/3 currently are choosing to drop out of the assistance program called education………
This is a choice, and usually leads to the harder road in life…….and some never recover. Did they not make the choice that put them on that road??
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:24 pm
No one helped me Mr. POTUS, no one.
LOL. Thats priceless.
This is typical obnoxious Republican thinking. Its self centered BS of course..
md
July 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
“Sounds like Obama . He just paid off his students loans recently too.”
Highly debatable considering the man still refuses to allow anyone to see his college docs……wonder how much grant money he received……and why he’s hiding info……the guy is a world class hypocrite.
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
How Huckabee said it:
“…the people born on third base and who think they just hit a triple. …”
No Artifical Flavors
July 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
I like teachers, roads, and bridges. What i don’t like are massive, bloated bureaucracies that suck away hard-earned dollars from the very end product or service being delivered such as our teachers, roads, and bridges.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
How many of the folks who “helped along the way” didn’t get paid to do so? Did the teachers get paid? Did the road builders get paid (with my gas taxes)? Did the police officer get paid?
Cry me a river, Obozotards.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:26 pm
“Curious: Where does America rank, today, in your eyes?”
Mediocre at best, Just sayin’. Our drive to achieve, succeed and lead has been hammered out of us through decades of government education mismanagement.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 16th, 2012
2:26 pm
Did Thomas Heyward really just whine about government checking your cooler and then in his very next comment praise the government for protecting all of us?
Is it a requirement of a dummycrat to be ate up?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
2:26 pm
Hey, who was in charge at Bain from 1999 to 2002?
I was married to my wife during those years and spent a few work weeks away from home. Does that mean I don’t have to claim any children born during that time period?
@@
July 16th, 2012
2:27 pm
1/3 currently are choosing to drop out of the assistance program called education………
Then there’s that unwed mother thingy. That pretty much guarantees poverty for the mother AND her children.
dc
July 16th, 2012
2:27 pm
Cant you just see a remake of the Saturday Night Live “More cowbells” skit….this time, it would be our idiot in chief saying “I’ve got a fever, and I need MORE GOVERNMENT”!
1961_Xer
July 16th, 2012
2:27 pm
Very very few. I dont know anybody who ‘Chooses” to be poor
Sure you do. Almost ALL of the poor have chosen to be that way. Most don’t understand where or when they chose, but they did. They chose not to do their homework. They chose to play football or basketball rather than study chemistry. They chose to get a degree in xxx Studies (xxx= women, gay, lesbian, generational, black) instead of a degree in science or engineering. They chose to spend that $500 on an iphone rather than put it in the bank. They chose to do that methamphetamine rather than run the other way.
Life is a thousand choices, and people are intricately linked to those choices that they make. When I was in grade/high school, I chose to take the hardest courses and put in the work to ace them. Anyone in my school could choose the same path. Most didn’t. Out of school, I chose to put money in a 401k/IRA. Most do not. I chose to not have kids until I was married and had money in the bank… most do not.
People do not consciously choose to be poor. Nonetheless, they do consciously make choices that leave them poor.
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
2:28 pm
md
July 16th, 2012-2:25 pm:
“….the guy is a world class hypocrite.”
And President.
And you’re not.
HAD to be a conspiracy.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
2:28 pm
Did the road builders get paid (with my gas taxes)? Did the police officer get paid?
Yeah, that’s what we’re saying – they got paid with tax dollars. But all you cons can do is whine and moan about having to pay for that kind of stuff.
Whine day in and day out. You can’t swing a dead cat in GA without hitting a Conservative whining about some tax.
md
July 16th, 2012
2:29 pm
“…the people born on third base and who think they just hit a triple. …””
Which would include the Paris Hiltons of the world……..but by golly, Conrad busted his butt so she could be a spoiled brat.
So go out and start your mega-empire and spoil your own offspring………
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:31 pm
1/3 currently are choosing to drop out of the assistance program called education………
This is a choice, and usually leads to the harder road in life…….and some never recover. Did they not make the choice that put them on that road??
Most didnt. They might have other life issues effecting them. The poor deal with a whole load of crap that us middle class and upper class never have to deal with.
I work at a small tech school with about a thousand kids. Most of them very poor. But they are all here trying to make a better life for themselves.
Sometimes they have to drop out. Usually its a family issue. Baby etc.
But they just dont walk out the door and say. Well I choose to be poor. Obama and the government will take care of me. It doesn’t work that way.
Although in the delusional republican mind this is exactly how it happens.
Im saying BS.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
2:31 pm
“…the people born on third base and who think they just hit a triple. …”
That is classic!
DawgDad
July 16th, 2012
2:32 pm
“The GI Bill . . . Boy that never created any opportunities for anyone.”
For your information, GI Bill benefits were EARNED by the people who received them. Personally, I signed a contract with the USG. Part of my compensation for services rendered. I have deep respect for the people who due to misfortune earned their benefits the hard way.
And, once out of the service, I leveraged my GI Bill benefits to the hilt. Helped finance my first house at a very attractive 15% interest rate (courtesy of fmr. Pres. Carter) and helped keep me afloat as I worked my way through graduate school.
md
July 16th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Then there’s that unwed mother thingy. That pretty much guarantees poverty for the mother AND her children.”
One must remember @@, to many on these boards, those choices are somebody else’s fault…….
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
2:33 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012-2:26 pm
“Curious: Where does America rank, today, in your eyes?”
Mediocre at best, Just sayin’. Our drive to achieve, succeed and lead has been hammered out of us through decades of government education mismanagement.
So today you have a better understanding of why other countries don’t necessarily want to be just like us?
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:34 pm
But all you cons can do is whine and moan about having to pay for that kind of stuff.
They are a bunch of deadbeats. They want healthcare but they sure dont want to pay for it.
They want roads and bridges and police. But nope dont touch my income.
Im a earner. Im a small business owner. I worked sooooo much harder than everyone else.
Make everybody else pay but me. Waaahhhhh.
Makes me want to vomit.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:34 pm
“I was married to my wife during those years and spent a few work weeks away from home. Does that mean I don’t have to claim any children born during that time period?”
No, Finn, just those CONCEIVED during those times you were gone.
md
July 16th, 2012
2:35 pm
“Most didnt.”
We choose everything we do…….everything.
“Sometimes they have to drop out. Usually its a family issue. Baby etc.”
And that baby wasn’t a choice? They know where they come from right?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 16th, 2012
2:37 pm
Conservatives don’t believe in local government taxing us to provide police and roads? Link please.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:38 pm
“But they just dont walk out the door and say. Well I choose to be poor. Obama and the government will take care of me. It doesn’t work that way.”
Yeah, it does work that way, Cheesy Grits. Because if they didn’t already know they had a ready safety net from Mama Government to take care of them, they’d work all that much harder to stay in school despite all their personal and family problems.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:38 pm
One must remember @@, to many on these boards, those choices are somebody else’s fault…….
Nobody said that.
Some people do have it easier however.
For example a rich girl gets pregnant at 16. Well Daddy can arrange a real quickie abortion and keep it all hush hush. Ive seen it happen
The poor girl wont get that. She will have the baby and maybe that keeps her from reaching her full potential.
There are a million other circumstances just like this.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:40 pm
“So today you have a better understanding of why other countries don’t necessarily want to be just like us?”
No, I have a better understanding of why many people and countries feel much better about themselves when they drag others down, rather than try to lift themselves up.
Fail, Just sayin’. As usual.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:40 pm
Yeah, it does work that way, Cheesy Grits. Because if they didn’t already know they had a ready safety net from Mama Government to take care of them, they’d work all that much harder to stay in school despite all their personal and family problems.
Actually it doesn’t. But I know you are set in your ways and there is no changing your mind.
I work at the school and see these kids. They come here because they are trying desperately to provide a better future for themselves and their children. They dont want any handouts. They just want a chance.
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please
July 16th, 2012
2:43 pm
For your information, GI Bill benefits were EARNED by the people who received them. Personally, I signed a contract with the USG. Part of my compensation for services rendered. I have deep respect for the people who due to misfortune earned their benefits the hard way.
And, once out of the service, I leveraged my GI Bill benefits to the hilt. Helped finance my first house at a very attractive 15% interest rate (courtesy of fmr. Pres. Carter) and helped keep me afloat as I worked my way through graduate school.
Absolutely you earned them. With your military service.
Another Government program success story. Thanks for sharing.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
2:43 pm
Well, we really can’t expect much from Conservatives – people who bow to the likes of Grover Norquist and sign his pledge (like the 3rd grade mentality they can comprehend.)
yuzeyurbrane
July 16th, 2012
2:43 pm
Obama was just making the common sense point that government has often paid an important role in advancing the private sector. True, true, true. The roads to your business, the police and fire protection, the little tax bump you get from capital gains treatment. Why do conservatives have such a problem conceding the obvious?
DawgDad
July 16th, 2012
2:44 pm
Finn McCool @2:19 pm: To say you don’t understand what conservatives are saying is to point out the obvious. None of the things sponsored by Government happen BECAUSE of GOVERNMENT, they happen because of the will and innovation and aspirations of a free PEOPLE and the financial support of the taxpayers (leveraged or direct). I know you want it to be otherwise, that you somehow believe Government is inherently good and benevolent. Please read your history books, and look around the world.
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
2:44 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012-2:40 pm: “So today you have a better understanding of why other countries don’t necessarily want to be just like us?”
No, I have a better understanding of why many people and countries feel much better about themselves when they drag others down, rather than try to lift themselves up.
Actually, Tib, it’s you who described America as “mediocre”.
DawgDad
July 16th, 2012
2:46 pm
yuzeyurbrane: Don’t be so insulting. That is NOT the point Obama was making.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:46 pm
“I work at the school and see these kids. They come here because they are trying desperately to provide a better future for themselves and their children. They dont want any handouts.”
First of all, why am I not surprised you’re in education. You’re the problem here, Cheesy Grits, not the solution.
Second, if these kids are so damned desperate to provide a better living for themselves, they’d stay in school no matter what hit them.
That’s what winners do.
No matter what the odds are against them.
Road Scholar
July 16th, 2012
2:49 pm
dad: Your parents and grandparents and uncles and aunts didn’t help? No teachers? No mentors? Preachers? Friends? Class mates?
Were you raised by a herd of elephants?
Kyle: Did you prepare a business plan? Get input from a professional? Studied data and processes (economics, law, etc.) Starting/building a business is hard work. You earn your breaks and some may come as “gifts”. You don’t get many “days off”. But as God said to a lottery player who had prayed for a long time and then complained that after years, he had no winnings, ” Meet me half way….buy a ticket!”
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
2:51 pm
DawgDad
July 16th, 2012-2:44 pm: “…that you somehow believe Government is inherently good and benevolent. Please read your history books, and look around the world.”
Gubmint is the problem.
But nobody moves to Somalia.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
2:53 pm
DawgDad, that is not what I’m saying. What i am saying is that people created those government entities to provide those services which go to making trade and commerce possible.
Never in history has government existed for governments sake. Never.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 16th, 2012
2:55 pm
“You didn’t build that”
Should make a great campaign commercial.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
2:56 pm
Just sayin’, in case you missed it, liberals and liberal thought and teachings have been dragging us down to their levels for over 80 years.
But I’m not surprised that you missed that point.
Or any other.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
2:56 pm
you somehow believe Government is inherently good and benevolent.
This is really unbelieveble.
Government is a tool, government isn’t a living breathing thing.
This is like the citizen united fight – in reverse. You’re ok with a company (a tool) having inalienable rights but not a government (a tool.)
This is like people who want to fight terrorism. Terrorism isn’t a living breathing entity. It’s a tool!
SwamiDave
July 16th, 2012
2:57 pm
I demand…
“I dont know anybody who ‘Chooses” to be poor”.
Granted, but you and I know plenty who *strong* make choices that lead to or perpetuate poverty!
- Such as cutting class, hanging out with friends, and generally goofing off instead of attending school or visiting libraries that are provided for them
- Spending all income instead of budgeting and investing a portion that can compound
- Spending discretionary income on cars, TVs, and cell phones that could go toward development of their skills or building value through ownership
- Deciding to exchange their time for more stable wages & benefits instead of developing their own income streams and hiring others
- Taking responsibility for your current position and enacting change instead of expecting politicians to redistribute that which is earned by others to them
Very few people if given the choice would chose Poverty over Wealth, but a large percentage of the “Poor” absolutely make the day-to-day choices that result in their position.
Rich people are rich because they do things that produce wealth; Poor people are poor for the same reasons.
Freedom and Opportunity work every time they are tried; They work when you do!
-SD
MiltonMan
July 16th, 2012
2:58 pm
Obozo – clueless as ever. 57 states; cutting the deficit in half; mis-spelling Israel, etc., etc.
The internet was “created” by the DoD as DARPA; allowing communications if a nuclear attack were to hit US soil. But hey his liberal minions just love stuff like this resulting in fans passing out,
East Lake Ira
July 16th, 2012
3:03 pm
It all seems to boil down to the Cons crying because they don’t want to pay any more taxes even though they pay less now than they have in any time over the last 30 years.
Grow up, pay your own way and stop complaining. You are not oppressed, you are not over taxed, you are footsoilders for the aristocracy.
Get over yourselves.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
3:05 pm
Despite an easily distracted news media and a weekend for the story to cool off, questions about Mitt Romney’s tenure are driving the day again at the start of a new week, and it may only be getting worse for Romney.
mwuahahahahahahahaha
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
3:06 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012-2:56 pm: “Just sayin’, in case you missed it, liberals and liberal thought and teachings have been dragging us down to their levels for over 80 years.”
Tb: Self proclaimed citizen of a mediocre country. That he blames somebody else for ruining.
You ARE a piece of work, bud.
Gotta go; getting someone else, of course, to pay for my Rx. Get you some Zantac while I’m there?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 16th, 2012
3:08 pm
Grow up, pay your own way and stop complaining. You are not oppressed, you are not over taxed, you are footsoilders for the aristocracy. Get over yourselves.
Bingo!
Chip
July 16th, 2012
3:08 pm
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.
Come on, people… this clown has never worked a day in his life at a real job in the real world. A 12-year old Girl Scout with a lemonade stand knows more about business than this moron… and yet the Kool-Aid drinking liberals will cover for him, time and again.
DawgDad
July 16th, 2012
3:08 pm
Just saying . . . WHERE did I say Government “is the problem”? Did I say that? NO! So please stop putting words in my [keyboard]. What I pointed out is what our Founders understood – Government is NOT inherently good and benevolent.
Government serves a purpose. Government can do things that are very difficult in the free market (provide for the common defense, for one). Ceding power to government inherently restricts freedom; we have a Constitution and political system to [hopefully] manage the power invested in our government.
Government can be an enabler and a delivery system, ideally serving the broad interests of the public. Government provides a structure to create and enforce the rule of law. Beyond that, it’s a danger to liberty and freedom. The bridge that is being crossed today, or perhaps already has been, is RELIANCE on government.
Government research did not create the Internet – American people created the Internet. Government played a role in enabling the development of the internet, yes, per the will of the people. But Obama stretches this reality to the leftist limit: his point, his real point, is business opportunity exists at the whim of Government, to be doled out by Government as the leaders see fit. THAT is his real point. Read his words again, carefully, and consider his actions. That is what he’s saying, and he’s VERY dangerous.
MiltonMan
July 16th, 2012
3:09 pm
“What are you gonna do when Obama is reelected ? Are all those people not “real” Americans either ?
Sounds like you are the one who isn’t very American.”
Remind us again about Obozo’s wife and her statement about she was never proud to be an American until her clown husband was the democratic nominee.
GT
July 16th, 2012
3:10 pm
Something happen in this country to make it wealthier than any other on earth. I do believe some parts of this country are pulling the load for the rest of it. If the south had won that war over 100 years ago they would be a English speaking Mexico, just look at them. You got some of the most impoverished, undereducated, diseased, overweight, criminal minded people in our universe living in the south, not to mention the politicians that represent them and their greased palms for doing nothing routine, not unlike a third world country.
If they had won that war the employment that comes south would have stayed north where America was and the workers in this region would be illegals trying to sneak over the Mason Dixon line for a job to feed their family. Only by the failure of the south have they succeeded, and burdened their fellow Americans with their continued failures. To insult this country by thinking especially in the south that you are not wealthy by the grace of God and the bounty of this country to me is clinically nuts on your part. It also explains a lot of the logic this area produces, in their accounting of themselves.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
3:10 pm
“pay your own way and stop complaining. ”
We already DO pay our own way, East Lake Ira.
And yours as well.
Which gives us every right to complain.
Road Scholar
July 16th, 2012
3:13 pm
By “this moron” Chip, are you referring to yourself?
If Romney did stopped working/heading Bain in 1999, wouldn’t there be an office memo, directive, or board record of exactly what was to be done, not done, and by whom? Or do they just come and go with the wind?
GT
July 16th, 2012
3:19 pm
You know what I think they are going to discover. I think Romney just took the corruption he is credited for fixing at the Olympics and moved them off book and off shore using Bain as his vehicle, like Enron accounting with a third party. The bribes were now paid like business deal, thus the sudden change in how Bain did business. Good reason not to show his tax returns.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
3:23 pm
“If Romney did stopped working/heading Bain in 1999, wouldn’t there be an office memo, directive, or board record of exactly what was to be done, not done, and by whom?”
And you KNOW there isn’t one – how – Road Scholar?
James Lee Adams
July 16th, 2012
3:24 pm
Obama needs to apologize-not to Romney about Bain-but to the American people for the sorry job he has done with our economy
Gimme Gimme Gimme
July 16th, 2012
3:27 pm
Using the Liberal logic crime is sponsored by the Government because criminals use roads to commit their crimes.
How out of touch can people be? It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
1961_Xer
July 16th, 2012
3:30 pm
Sometimes they have to drop out. Usually its a family issue. Baby etc.
But they just dont walk out the door and say. Well I choose to be poor. Obama and the government will take care of me. It doesn’t work that way.
Although in the delusional republican mind this is exactly how it happens.
It’s not delusional… its fact. People make choices, and don’t consider the consequences of those choices. Just because the person did not come out and say “I choose to be poor” does not mean that (s)he has not chosen. Look at your own example:
Sometimes they have to drop out. Usually its a family issue. Baby etc
The sex and resulting baby were CHOICES. Because they did not think about the consequences of of sex, of quitting to have the baby, etc, does not absolve them of the CHOICE that they made. What delusional Democrats do is absolve people of personal responsibility for their choices by giving them tax dollars. They reinforce the poor choice with a monetary reward. And YES, they do know that Obama and the Democrats will take care of them. They now have 50 years of example to show them that it is so.
And just because a “rich” person would handle that sex/baby differently does not absolve the poor person either. Just because the daddy of a rich girl will handle the poor choice of his son/daughter differently than a poor person does not absolve he poor person of their personal responsibility/choice.
And finally, the second gist of this column seems to be about taxes, and the liberals deriding conservatives for “whining” about taxes. Might I suggest that those who pay the most will whine the most? When a liberal sees a tax, he says “why not, I PERSONALLY WONT HAVE TO PAY IT”. Those who actually have to pay will yell the loudest. Just like Federal income taxes, those making below about $50k are not going to pay for Obamacare. They are going to get a subsidy. Those who actually pay for Healthcare without a subsidy and those who pay taxes are going to yell the most.
So if you are one of the folks that pay both federal/state income tax and property tax, you are going to yell a lot more than folks who pay NONE. A family of four making $50k in Georgia has about the same effective spending power as a family of 4 making $90k when considering taxes and tax credits. You can expect those making $90k to yell a lot louder about taxes than those making $50k, as nearly 25% of their income is taken in federal/state income taxes and property taxes. You can expect the $50k family to say “give me more” as they are already paying nothing, and getting tax credits and (with obamacare) health care subsidies.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
3:33 pm
Romney vote = vote agaisnt America………GOP … lemmes…
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 16th, 2012
3:35 pm
Herman Cain was more prepared than this Romney Clown.
Common Sense
July 16th, 2012
3:35 pm
“Never in history has government existed for governments sake. Never.”
The most ignorant statement of the day.
zebra
July 16th, 2012
3:37 pm
You can have my country club write-off when you pry it out of my cold, dead fingers.
Taxes are bad, regulation is bad, poor people are bad, corporations that answer to no one are good. This ain’t hard at all.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
July 16th, 2012
3:42 pm
Hard work is bad, Ownership is bad, Successful people are bad, Freeloaders that answer to no one are good. This ain’t hard at all.
GT
July 16th, 2012
3:42 pm
Gimme Gimme Gimme they actually do use that. It helps separate federal crime from state crime. You use a federal highway to take you from one state to the other in committing a crime, you have broken a federal law. Obviously the jail populations are more because of this or they wouldn’t have it. People have gone to jail that would not have in a state situation. Carrying woman across state lines for illicit purposes or carrying stolen items or drugs across state lines, or mail fraud using the US mail, wire or telephones. When we prosecute the imagination opens up to all the things that have been violated that this country has given the criminal, but not our business man, it is a solo act, Hercules didn’t need any of this to succeed.
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
3:46 pm
Somalia is begging for you hard-working entrepreneurs. Nobody here helped you, and you should be even more successful over there with an untapped market, what are y’all waiting for?
GT
July 16th, 2012
3:51 pm
Begging for them Aquagirl! Boat leaves tonight, tickets are free, let see how crowded it is!
Gimme Gimme Gimme
July 16th, 2012
3:51 pm
“Somalia is begging for you hard-working entrepreneurs. Nobody here helped you, and you should be even more successful over there with an untapped market, what are y’all waiting for?”
Does Google have a gibberish translator?
Road Scholar
July 16th, 2012
3:52 pm
Tib: It was a question, Bud! All companies, the military, and government have a chain of command. When someone goes”missing” for a period of time, those in charge reflect changes to the chain of command to others. It’s called internal communication. No one saw any smoke signals. The smoke from the chimney was not white. So when Romney allegedly handed off his leadership roll, how did they know he was gone and who was in charge???? I do not WHAT was done or When, but wouldn’t someone have an official record, esp with the SEC involved?
detritusUSA
July 16th, 2012
3:53 pm
From my experience there is a lot of truth in what the President said about small business. I know many people who inherited their small business from family, sometimes third and fourth generations are running the business. I’m talking about true small business employing 40-50 people.
Now all you grass cutters and yard men, maybe you built your business yourself. Don’t know, and wouldn’t care at all except that most of you are deal in the underground economy and benefit no one but yourself.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
3:56 pm
Romney wasn’t “milling” Road. He was elsewhere.
And grown-ups don’t need memos to know what to do or who to talk with.
They just do it.
Really, if this is the best you’ve got on Romney, you (and the Liar-in-Chief) really have to step up your game.
Of course, you could always campaign on your record, but that wouldn’t go over too well, now would it?
curious
July 16th, 2012
4:00 pm
There seems to be a lot of bitter people here today.
Send the 50% that pay no taxes to Somalia. Don’t know who’ll be serving the fries, but maybe some of the business builders here can figure it out.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
4:00 pm
Sorry.
Read: “MISSING”, not milling.
curious
July 16th, 2012
4:02 pm
Has the person in charge at Bain come forward or was it run by committee?
Jefferson
July 16th, 2012
4:05 pm
Please don’t act like you don’t know how well you have it and have had it made. Work is easy if you have the right tools.
jconservative
July 16th, 2012
4:07 pm
Strange timing for a column on this subject.
We are in the heat of a presidential campaign. Obama has just spent a week making the election all about Romney.
Maybe a column on the incompetence of the Romney campaign team would be more appropriate.
East Lake Ira
July 16th, 2012
4:07 pm
Common Sense
July 16th, 2012
3:52 pm
You assume too much. I more than pay my own way. If you specifically leave, no one will notice or care.
Common Sense
July 16th, 2012
4:12 pm
East Lake Ira,
Your delusions of grandeur are amazing. By your own logic you could not be paying your own way. For if you made enough money, you would NOT be paying enough in taxes.
And if you are not one of those that you are claiming need to pay more taxes, by default you are one that is consuming more in public resources than you contribute.
Either way, you lose.
md
July 16th, 2012
4:14 pm
“It all seems to boil down to the Cons crying because they don’t want to pay any more taxes even though they pay less now than they have in any time over the last 30 years.”
Never mind that that is true for everybody……wouldn’t want to get in the way of a good agenda.
Old Timer
July 16th, 2012
4:16 pm
Obama has a creative mind in his own mind–a symtom of previous pot engagements? Another 100+ days of this?
Gimme Gimme Gimme
July 16th, 2012
4:18 pm
Mr. President-
Could you send someone over to cut my lawn tomorrow. Could you make “someone else make it happen”.
Thanks
md
July 16th, 2012
4:24 pm
“You got some of the most impoverished, undereducated, diseased, overweight, criminal minded people in our universe living in the south, not to mention the politicians that represent them and their greased palms for doing nothing routine, not unlike a third world country. ”
When did Chicago move to the south?
I’ve been all over this great country of ours, and have yet to visit anywhere where the above does not exist………
Common Sense
July 16th, 2012
4:26 pm
“It all seems to boil down to the Cons crying because they don’t want to pay any more taxes even though they pay less now than they have in any time over the last 30 years.”
That statement would apply to everyone wouldn’t it?
Road Scholar
July 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
Tib: Not going to argue a question! I said most companies and organizations have an official record, esp if they are grown ups. So why was his name filed as the CEO with the SEC if it does not matter? Don’t worry…take your time..breathe deeply….I’m out of here!
md
July 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
“I know many people who inherited their small business from family, sometimes third and fourth generations are running the business. I’m talking about true small business employing 40-50 people.”
And??
Go start your own family business, and we promise we won’t say a thing when you pass it on to your kids…….and won’t say anything if you give them an allowance either as there are plenty of poor children that barely get to eat.
Gee people, envy runs deep today.
Get Real
July 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
It is hard to say as there is so much competition but this is arguably the most stupid thing Obama has said to date. He has absolutely no clue as to what makes our economy work and this is another in many deparate attempts to throw out his latest “let’s try this lunacy” and see if it sticks.
Only the most ardent Obama supporters in their Obama soaked Kool Aid brains can rationalize the defense of these statements. Everbody has help along the way but it to rack it all up to government so you need to pay more taxes is such an assanine quatum leap that it is truly laughable…total desparation
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
Best fact check this statement, it is highly inaccurate. What we know today as the Internet -which began as ARPANET – was not created so companies could use it to make money from the enterprise of engaging in commerce.
ARPANET
Misconceptions of design goals
Common ARPANET lore posits that the computer network was designed to survive a nuclear attack. In A Brief History of the Internet, the Internet Society describes the coalescing of the technical ideas that produced the ARPANET:
It was from the RAND study that the false rumor started, claiming that the ARPANET was somehow related to building a network resistant to nuclear war. This was never true of the ARPANET, only the unrelated RAND study on secure voice considered nuclear war. However, the later work on Internetting did emphasize robustness and survivability, including the capability to withstand losses of large portions of the underlying networks.[5]
Although the ARPANET was designed to survive subordinate-network losses, the principal reason was that the switching nodes and network links were unreliable, even without any nuclear attacks. About the resource scarcity that spurred the creation of the ARPANET, Charles Herzfeld, ARPA Director (1965–1967), said:
The ARPANET was not started to create a Command and Control System that would survive a nuclear attack, as many now claim. To build such a system was, clearly, a major military need, but it was not ARPA’s mission to do this; in fact, we would have been severely criticized had we tried. Rather, the ARPANET came out of our frustration that there were only a limited number of large, powerful research computers in the country, and that many research investigators, who should have access to them, were geographically separated from them.[6]
Packet switching pioneer Paul Baran affirms this, explaining: “Bob Taylor had a couple of computer terminals speaking to different machines, and his idea was to have some way of having a terminal speak to any of them and have a network. That’s really the origin of the ARPANET. The method used to connect things together was an open issue for a time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
obumer needs to do some research before he misspeaks on the subject of the why the Internet was created. Many of us know when he is BS’ing on the hopes that no one call him out on his use of ignorance.
MarkV
July 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
What might be surprising, but what has become a new normal for Kyle and his sycophants on this blog, is to take perfectly reasonable words of the President and mock him and insult him.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
“So why was his name filed as the CEO with the SEC if it does not matter?”
Don’t know and don’t care, Road.
I don’t play small-ball like you Obama myrmidons do.
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
I thought the internet (earliest version anyway) came about to aid communication, mainly within the defense department, but what do I know?
Ronnie Raygun
July 16th, 2012
4:37 pm
A conservative is what you get when mommy and daddy tell Jr. that he’s the most special person in the world, and they’re dumb enough to believe it into adulthood.
zebra
July 16th, 2012
4:38 pm
“Let me be clear: The bottom 50% of wage earners pay virtually NOTHING towards goverment.”
More wingnut ignorance. The 50% number you folks throw around includes all the children, retirees, housewives (like Frau Romney) etc in the country and does not include FICA.
When the Outsourcer’s kids were small, 6 out of 7 folks in his house did not pay taxes. Freeloaders!
carlosgvv
July 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
Kyle, Obama was speaking in a broad and general sense. He obviously didn’t mean the Govt. would come knocking at every door and handing out success.
This take on what Obama said shows both deception and desperation on your part. I know you can do better.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
Envy runs deep mostly with democrats and Marxist. Conservatives and Libertarians have little use for altruism or the hate for people who prosper and enjoy the wealth thereof from their own work efforts.
Go make a million dollars and I’ll be happy for you and yours with hopes government takes very little of it from you – far less than 35%!
Oh and no death tax on what you leave to yours.
Scooter
July 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
If someone starts a business that creates taxable income for multiple people, I think they have paid enough for the “privilege” of government services. Only a classless politicians would allege they were successful without paying for government providing infrastructure and emergency services. Granted, since cutting his teeth in Chicago, class has not been The Obama’s strong suit. Well, unless we’re talking about accentuating class divisions… now that’s something he specializes in.
stopspending
July 16th, 2012
4:46 pm
Hey, Mr. President. I drive the same roads as Chipper Jones and Ted Turner. Why do I not have the big bucks that they have? It is not because I am blogging in the middle of the day instead of working a job so it must be government;s fault. Why, oh why, did the gov not pick me to make the big bucks? I know I can do as good a job as Ted.
md
July 16th, 2012
4:46 pm
“is to take perfectly reasonable words of the President and mock him and insult him.”
Wrong……there is a difference in mocking the person and mocking the ignorance spewed by a person.
His words are pure ignorance in regards to small businesses.
md
July 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
“The 50% number you folks throw around includes all the children, retirees, housewives (like Frau Romney) etc in the country and does not include FICA. ”
No it doesn’t……that number usually refers to income tax and applies only to those with income……
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
4:52 pm
What isn’t surprising to see on this blog is the obumer toadies who rush angrily to attack with vitriol anyone that decries this “INSULT” of a President we now have that has no respect for the laws he swore to uphold, no regard for the facts we he speaks and no shame or apologies for the lies he tells the American people.
JX
July 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
I guess the zebra thinks Mitt Romney will outsource American jobs if he becomes president. Kind of a stretch and silly sounding when compared to someone with no business experience.
Grasshopper
July 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
“When the Outsourcer’s kids were small, 6 out of 7 folks in his house did not pay taxes. Freeloaders!”
I suppose you consider Sasha and Malia freeloaders too then.
Tacky.
MarkV
July 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
“His words are pure ignorance in regards to small businesses.”
His words are true for any business.
JX
July 16th, 2012
5:08 pm
“His words are pure ignorance in regards to small businesses.”
“His words are true for any business”
He has no business experience. He is simply not an authority on business.
You don't say
July 16th, 2012
5:14 pm
“What isn’t surprising to see on this blog is the obumer toadies who rush angrily to attack with vitriol anyone that decries this “INSULT” of a President ”
In the same sentence, he calls people “obume toadies” (Except for being childish bs, this can only be construed as name calling), yet he claims others “attack with vitriol”.
Irony goes great on anything. fruit, roast, salad…… you name it
kyle: Has the sleeping giant woke up yet? Probably going to need some caffeine.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
5:15 pm
obumer is an authority on Big Government Marxism.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
5:18 pm
Obama’s words, as usual, were meant to artificially glorify government and continue his belittling of the private sector.
Plain and simple.
It’s not as if he can run on his record, after all.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
5:20 pm
Yeah I do say… it’s called fighting fire with fire. Anytime Kyle wants to hose these anonymous posters who play the hypocritical role of both sides as good guy, bad guy.
Now come back and try it again when you wake up.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
5:21 pm
Another statement from the man, confirming what some already know, that he is a big government fascist, who has plans to “fundamentally change” America. He knows his economic policy has been a total failure, in resurrecting the economy, but it has served his purpose of growing government and forcing more dependency on government. As more become dependent, then they become more insistent that government programs be preserved and expanded. This expansion is to Oblamers benefit and desire.
He has just slammed every business man and woman in America. All those Arthur Blanks and Bernie Marcus’s out there, who dreamed up an idea, invested their life savings, and worked tirelessly to bring it to fruition. He has told them you didn’t do anything special, that anyone can use the plentiful government assets and do the same. That they were just the winners in life’s lottery.
Dems love to equate success with good fortune, it serves their ideology. They always refer to the unfortunate, the undocumented, the less fortunate, the disenfranchised, etc, as if these people have absolutely nothing to do with their lot in life. To them, the successful are just lucky.
carlosgvv
July 16th, 2012
5:21 pm
Michael H. Smith – 4:52
You’ve managed to post a blog that is 100% wrong.
Keep up the bad work.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
5:25 pm
carlosgvv
July 16th, 2012
5:21 pm
According to you carlosgvv… Oh gee golly wow.
Pal you when have you ever been right? And it sure isn’t this time.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
5:30 pm
I’ll gladly keep up the good work that drives people like Marxist V, You don’t say, carlosgvv, AMbrucie, Aquagirl and Road Squealer over the leftist edge into the socialist abyss.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
5:30 pm
The harder I work, the luckier I get.
Samuel Goldwyn
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
5:32 pm
I’d rather be lucky than good-Richard Petty
Get Real
July 16th, 2012
5:35 pm
Mandingo….turn to channel Bookman for the Obama Kool Aid blog
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
5:35 pm
Michael H. Smith, please use the proper blog handles for those leftists you mentioned.
New rules and all, btw.
Bob D
July 16th, 2012
5:37 pm
The basic flaw in Obama’s reasoning, which causes his whole thesis to collapse, is not recognizing that the businessperson, while taking all the risk and providing creativity and leadership, pays fair market rates to all employees, suppliers, and financiers. No one gives him anything. See grok.typepad.com for a good post on the subject.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
5:38 pm
Hillbilly D
He didn’t win all those races depending on luck only. If luck was the essential requirement, Dick Trickle, would be in the NASCAR hall of fame. How lucky do you have to be, to be named Dick Trickle.
carlosgvv
July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
Michael H. Smith
Your Christian Academy education is so lacking you wouldn’t know “right’ if it bit you on your a*s.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
5:40 pm
Do you really expect me to keep all their phony names correct when they are all phony to begin with? I mean, what does it matter if I alter something that is phony, it ain’t real anyhow, right?
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
5:45 pm
carlosgvv
You really need to address your lack of knowledge rather than mine and you wouldn’t know Christian from Krispy Kreme.
MarkV
July 16th, 2012
5:48 pm
What is so outrageous bout Kyle’s article is the distortion of the meaning of Obama’s words, as well as the snide and ridiculous remarks mixed in. As for the latter:
“OK, I mentioned teachers, too — although Obama does not differentiate between those in public schools or, like his own daughters’ teachers and his own college professors, those in private schools.”
What has got to do with the subject?
Or,
“And it has become routine for Obama to harp on the roads and bridges as if that’s necessarily something the federal government must or should be involved in.”
Yeah, we should not have in this country, unlike any other civilized country, roads and bridges built using money from all the people of the country. President Eisenhower must be rolling in his grave.
But again, the most egregious part of Kyle’s article is the distortion of the meaning of what Obama said.
Obama: “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
Kyle: “If “somebody else” is going around building these businesses for people, when do “they” make it to me?”
Now there is a question: Is Kyle is completely incapable of understanding, or does he willfully pretend not to understand?
If the business is a factory, has the owner brought the bricks, wood etc. and erected the buildings? Did he put together the machines – perhaps mined the ore, smelted the metals, machined them? Does he work in it by himself?
Did Romney build his offices, furnished them, typed and copied his own memos?
What about the internet businesses? Did the owners build the computers from parts they themselves manufactured?
What the President talked about is the undeniable fact they in a civilized society, everybody uses the fruits of work of a huge number of other people in every facet of life.
CK
July 16th, 2012
5:49 pm
For those who criticize the wealthy, successful Americans, and feel they should pay more:
You are just envious of them, and you probably are getting a hand out from the government. Almost half of the US do not pay taxes, but bleed those who work.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
5:52 pm
Oh by the way Tiberius, I wasn’t here for the soap-opera event that broke the brick for Kyle so I’ll have to review the “NEW” rules.
However, as it appears it’s no different than before. Kyle has a great number of self-appointed activist judges adjudicating most of his case for him
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
5:53 pm
Rafe
Dick Trickle was one of the winningest short track racers, of all time. He led the nation in 1972 with 67 wins. His problem was that his big break didn’t come until he was into his 40’s.
And it didn’t hurt ol’ Richard that he was Lee Petty’s son. He had the best equipment from the beginning, in a sport where equipment is the king (no pun intended).
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
6:01 pm
What is the undeniable fact is that when we use something someone else makes we pay them for their efforts or product, it wasn’t given to us as assistance. So that can’t really be called help. It is a mutual exchange of service or product for a fee.
Gee.. come to think of it that sounds like… Gosh dang it, it is… ITS CAPITALISM!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 16th, 2012
6:02 pm
Finn: This is like the citizen united fight – in reverse. You’re ok with a company (a tool) having inalienable rights but not a government (a tool.)
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That’s for damn sure. A company can’t take my freedom. A company can’t take my property (well, except for that libtarded Kelo decision). A company can’t tax me. A company can’t force me to purchase a product I don’t want. A company can’t penalize me for not doing each and every thing that pops into their little heads. A company can’t sent my children off to kill or be killed.
Big Barry
July 16th, 2012
6:02 pm
Same problem, when he attempts to expound on any subject for very long, the cliches run out, and then you see the guy really does think that government is the be all and end all…
Be afraid, be very afraid….”I’m from the government and I’m here to help” etc.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 16th, 2012
6:07 pm
If the business is a factory, has the owner brought the bricks, wood etc. and erected the buildings? Did he put together the machines – perhaps mined the ore, smelted the metals, machined them? Does he work in it by himself?….What the President talked about is the undeniable fact they in a civilized society, everybody uses the fruits of work of a huge number of other people in every facet of life.
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Yep, and the person building the business PAID all those folks for their products and services. That’s free market capitalism. The business owner didn’t compel or force anyone to provide the products and services at no charge–that’s what maggot Democrats do.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
6:12 pm
Hillbilly D
Never argue with an expert, I sure am not. But, Richard took what he was given and was much more successful than Lee. Dale Earnhart, Jr. has not done as well as Richard Petty, even tho he had a much more successful organization and advantages to work with.
As with most things in life, luck plays much less a role, than dedication, determination, preparation, intelligence, and most of all willpower.
The list of those given every advantage in life, who never equaled their fathers is lengthy.
MarkV
July 16th, 2012
6:13 pm
Michael H. Smith @6:01 pm
“What is the undeniable fact is that when we use something someone else makes we pay them for their efforts or product, it wasn’t given to us as assistance. So that can’t really be called help. It is a mutual exchange of service or product for a fee.”
Where in President Obama’s remarks are the words assistance and help with respect to business?
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
6:19 pm
Rafe
The King’s biggest asset, in my opinion, was that he had the killer instinct.
I’ll get back to my rat-killing and y’all can carry on.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 16th, 2012
6:20 pm
Obozo insulted everyone who works for a living, in order to appeal to his parasite base who are mostly unsuccessful due to their lack of ambition, hard work, and personal responsibility.
Obozo’s speech was intended to engender in his parasite base an entitlement mentality wherein they are somehow deserving of some part of the wealth earned by others.
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
6:29 pm
In the interest of aiding those blinded by socialism or those who simply lack word and contextual comprehension skills…
Help 1. Give assistance; be of service
OBUMER: If you were successful, somebody along the line “gave you some help”.
And for the rest as Kyle said he went there… If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
md
July 16th, 2012
6:35 pm
“He had the best equipment from the beginning, in a sport where equipment is the king (no pun intended).”
I understand where you are coming from, but from the beginning, wasn’t the very idea that all cars be “stock” intended to level the playing field?? Hence the name “stock car racing”?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
6:37 pm
If the Liar-in-Chief didn’t intend to (wrongly, btw) elevate the role of government to that of equal or major partner in business, why bother to make the remarks at all?
Spin it, libs, but he believes in the primacy of government over the private sector. You cannot defend his remarks with any logical argument.
md
July 16th, 2012
6:39 pm
What many, including Obama, seem to be missing is the first step one takes when starting a business…..and that would be assuming the risk inherent to every business.
And I have no problem if he wants to go there with the share mentality, but he best get ready to share in the losses too……..but I don’t ever here the left mention those………
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
6:42 pm
md
The “stock” thing went out the window pretty quickly, for safety reasons at first and then for more show business/economic reasons. It’s just a fact of life in auto racing that the more money you have, the better you should run. Money isn’t 100% of it of course but it’s a very high percentage.
And the original quote was from Petty. He’s the one who said it, not me. (It is an actual quote)
md
July 16th, 2012
6:44 pm
Oh I agree with the quote, but personally I’d prefer to be good and lucky……….
Katz P. Ajamas
July 16th, 2012
6:48 pm
The infrastructure is there for everyone to use, whether they pay taxes to build it or not. Successful people are not singled out and given anything special. Maybe some people who have friends in government steering business their way, but most successful people make their own connections.
As for the internet. The govt did not ‘invent’ the internet. The government was a customer who wanted to move data around. The personal communication aspect was an afterthought and most of it was added gratis by developers and users for their own convenience and pleasure. I know, I was a DARPANET user before ‘the internet’ was born.
Your friend Katz
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
6:51 pm
How much did we give Caterpillar to come to Georgia?
MarkV
July 16th, 2012
6:53 pm
In the interest of aiding those who simply lack word and contextual comprehension skills.
The President: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.”
Not even Kyle disagrees with this statement. It is an expression of supreme arrogance for anyone to claim that he/she never had any help in his/her life and endeavor.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 16th, 2012
6:55 pm
How much did we give Solyndra to go out of business?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 16th, 2012
6:56 pm
In the interest of aiding those who live or die by wordsmithing everything to death in an attempt to never make a valid point . . .
. . . your partisanship is showing.
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
6:56 pm
How much did we give Caterpillar to come to Georgia?
Roughly $70-75 million, depending on whose figures you believe.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 16th, 2012
6:58 pm
I think you know quite well that the truly egregious, un-American thing Obozo said, and which most here are rightly condemning Idiot Obozo for, is the part where he claims small business owners didn’t build their business–someone else did.
You’d have to be an economic retard to agree with Obozo on that point.
md
July 16th, 2012
6:59 pm
“How much did we give Caterpillar to come to Georgia?”
Absolutely nothing……….which is what GA would have had Caterpillar gone elsewhere.
What you got was 1400 jobs and the economic activity that goes with it……..
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 16th, 2012
7:00 pm
How much did we give GM to buy the votes of their union “workers” for Obozo?
$25 billion that has yet to be repaid at last check.
Ted
July 16th, 2012
7:00 pm
The lack of civility on this blog is really appalling.
md
July 16th, 2012
7:02 pm
The President: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.”
I do believe the operative word would be “gave”, and it is highly debatable that it would apply to everyone……especially if one were to have paid continual tax.
Dusty
July 16th, 2012
7:02 pm
Well, Kyle got ‘em going today. We leared a lot about our liberal friends here, besides their anguish over another bungled Obama speech.
Let’s see.
Just saying.:….must be Hillary ’cause she believes it is “all a conspiracy”.. Cheesy Grits can’t get over wealth envy. Aquagirl & GT- have secret desire to settle in Somalia, land of free piracy! Goooooo….
MarkV–seems to believe that our country was settled early by pioneers who progressed on government roads, bridges, and man made material from Home Depot while studying at schools on every mountain top along the way.
Pioneers! They did establish the Constitution which keeps us from being dependent on government control. They asked no one to supply “business” for them. Independence!! (Lest U forget!)
That is why Kyle asks in disgusted SATIRE: “When will somebody else build my business for me?”
The president did not use satire. He wants CONTROL and he wants the POWER. I’m afraid he really means that Americans are helpless and need HIM to fill our every need. I disagree !.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 16th, 2012
7:03 pm
Dusty just won “Post of the Day”!
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
7:19 pm
Another quote: “Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.” — Ronald Reagan, 1981
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
7:32 pm
Romney’s Bain Yielded Private Gains, Socialized Losses
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-15/romney-s-bain-yielded-private-gains-socialized-losses.html
Don't Tread
July 16th, 2012
7:34 pm
“if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own”
Well, I suppose that statement certainly applies to HIM, doesn’t it? Other people, not so much. More government is never the answer, except to people who don’t like freedom so much.
@@
July 16th, 2012
7:43 pm
Dick Trickle was one of the winningest short track racers, of all time.
Wha-a-a-a-a-a-a
t!!??!!
What kinda parent would name their son Dick Trickle?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
7:44 pm
tiredofit
“Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.” —
He was absolutely right. The left believes that carbon dioxide is a pollutant, and there are many more trees than cars in this world. So, what is your point?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
7:45 pm
@@
Great, I missed that short description of Dick Trickle!
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
7:50 pm
@@
Dick Trickle isn’t the kind of guy that people would make fun of his name…..to his face. He’s a tough un.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
7:52 pm
The lack of civility on this blog is really appalling.
Not sure, what his gentleman is talking about, the blog seems quite civil considering how strongly people seem to hold their political beliefs.
What is certainly uncivil, is to accuse a candidate for the POTUS of committing a felony, with no evidence whatsoever, and to continue with the attack, when credible people step forward and correct you on your error. This incivility is beyond slinging mud.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 16th, 2012
7:54 pm
Hillbilly
I believe you, with a name like Dick Trickle, he had to be one tough dude, kinda like a boy named Sue.
@@
July 16th, 2012
7:57 pm
Hillbilly:
When it’s just the guys sitting around, there’s no way they’d pass on the opportunity to rib him about his name.
Back to the topic.
12.7 million Americans would not be unemployed without Obama’s help.
schnirt
Hillbilly D
July 16th, 2012
7:58 pm
Eight-year-old Dick Trickle was playing tag with his cousin Verlon on the rafters in a house under construction when he fell two floors to the basement and broke his hip. He was transferred from a local hospital to the University of Wisconsin Hospital with slow recovery. His recovery was so slow that the doctors gave up and sent him home presuming that he would be an invalid for the rest of his life.
He’s one tough dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Trickle
@@
July 16th, 2012
8:05 pm
He’s one tough dude.>/i>
If he suffered that kind of injury and bounced back, I’ve no doubt he could take a little ribbin’ from the guys.
(ISH)
Pizzaman
July 16th, 2012
8:08 pm
A couple days ago I asked 3 questions about Mitt here and on Bookman. I wasn’t able to follow up on Bookman because I got involved in name calling here. I apologize that wasn’t me. Sticks and stones. And thanks Dave for not removing the original questions.
But I did get one question answered. The place of manufacture of the Olympic uniforms when Mitt was in charge. Google says (thanks Tiberius) they were make in Burma. So, even if Mitt wasn’t at Bain then, he was still outsourcing.
But the question I really want answered is about Mitt’s Vietnam draft deferment. I have read that he got a deferment intended only for ordained Ministers.If this is true I deeply resent it, as should all my Vietnam vet brothers.
Vote early, vote often!
Kyle Wingfield
July 16th, 2012
8:11 pm
I’m a little late tonight, but here’s your reminder that all comments will be going through moderation until tomorrow morning.
MarkV
July 16th, 2012
8:12 pm
Dusty @7:02 pm
“MarkV–seems to believe that our country was settled early by pioneers who progressed on government roads, bridges, and man made material from Home Depot while studying at schools on every mountain top along the way.”
Dusty seems not to have used the interstate highway system in her life. Or, perhaps she believes it has been around since the time of the pioneers.
ragnar danneskjold
July 16th, 2012
8:42 pm
Perhaps it is time to take President Obama at his word, and blame his administration for the economy’s failure to thrive. Any autopsy would confirm that the economy was choked to death, strangled by regulations.
Bullet County
July 16th, 2012
8:47 pm
Kyle, if your Father is George Romney its real easy to have your business buildt by somebody else or as Newton Leroy says: “We’re not going to beat Barack Obama with some guy who has Swiss bank accounts, Cayman Island accounts, owns shares of Goldman Sachs while it forecloses on Florida and is himself a stockholder in Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac while he tries to think that the rest of us are too stupid to put the dots together to understand what this is all about.” Newt Gingrich, Mt. Dora, Florida, Jan 26, 2012
Michael H. Smith
July 16th, 2012
9:06 pm
Not even Kyle disagrees with this statement. It is an expression of supreme arrogance for anyone to claim that he/she never had any help in his/her life and endeavor.
I’m a little late myself in getting back on this so it will go through moderation though I’d like to point out that your innuendo “It is an expression of supreme arrogance” is name calling – directed in response to me – the same that you accuse me and others of so often. Your temper is clearly getting the better of you, as so have I. However I did answered your question very accurately much to your chagrin. Which in turn leads you to tactically deflect and convolute into another assertion having been proven wrong on your last one, as you ask where did obumer say it and I pointed it out. Now you are trying to put words into Kyle’s mouth by saying because he didn’t claim something it means he would not or cannot make the statement – which is utterly false.
Kyle may have simply chosen not to say, he didn’t receive any help. But to go one better in besting you, many people can say they never received help or assistance in endeavors they have undertaken in their life and it is nothing but a fact not arrogance as you wrongly insist.
What you can’t get around and this is Kyle’s point: Your PrezDent obumer leans and try to lead others in the direction of government dependence and altruism. That somehow no one has the right to any individual success apart from help others or the government – which again is utterly false absent any arrogance, supreme or otherwise.
MarxV get over your hate of successful people and your envy of their prosperity. This sense you and obumer share which you both want to deposit upon all of us to believe as you do of the rich people owing everybody something because they are wealthy and because they made their fortune in America they owe the Federal obumer re-distributing Government half or more than half of all they have is really sickening – not only MARXIST to its’ core.
Does your coveting of what belongs to others burn your insides like a fire?
Dusty
July 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
Well, all I can say is I’m tickled to know about Dick Trickle.
(And ….thank you,,,, Lil Barry Bailout, for your kind words.)
Samantha
July 16th, 2012
9:22 pm
Barack Obama has no clue. His comments are an outrage to small business people all over the country and, more importantly, reflect his core marxist beliefs. Only Marxism believes that economic growth comes from class. Only Marxism believes that the people in a particular role on the economic ladder create wealth.
How did we get a president so utterly out of touch with what it means to be an American?
Tom(Independent Viet Vet USAF)
July 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Pizzaman@8:06 – Saw your question about Mitt’s Vietnam draft deferment? Do not know, half the stuff I read I do not believe! What about Obama’s military history, did he ever volunteer or even consider it? Who knows, other than himself? Probably best he never joined, remember J Carey, his own troops threatened to do him in in Vietnam? Weren’t they going to throw him off his own boat in Nam? It could have been very dangerous for Obama with the troops in the field. But he was a good Community Organizer from what I hear!!!
don
July 16th, 2012
10:16 pm
To all idiots: You operated a business that depends on a stable society. Other people pay for law enforcement and the courts. In some way, you depend on roads, which other people pay for. Your education was paid for by other people. YOU DIDN’T DO IT BY YOURSELF.
mkurbo
July 16th, 2012
11:35 pm
Obama’s “Elizabeth Warren” like comment on how government is the creator/purveyor of all will go down in history as the most left leaning socialist comment ever made by an American president. It was a disgusting display of liberalism’s misguided view of reality courtesy of a Harvard education no less…
America was created by individuals. Individuals ALLOW the government to collect taxes to be used for infrastructure building that they willingly approve, such that future individuals can continue to create wealth for themselves and growth opportunities in America.
Without individuals and their success in the private sector – there would be no government and resultant public sector opportunities. These comments by Obama and Warren are proof positive that government needs to be reset in size and jurisdiction.
yuzeyurbrane
July 16th, 2012
11:43 pm
dawgdad–your intelligence gets insulted very easily. I think you should get a grip and stay away from hyperbole. Your interpretation of the Founding Fathers thoughts about govt. are inaccurate and your attempt to characterize Obama as a Socialist simply shows you really don’t know what Socialism is. I challenge you to give me a coherent definition which is factually defensible and explain how Obama’s policies meet that definition. You can’t because it would show that Obama is so mainstream that many on the real left get frustrated with him. By the way–the stock market has rebounded from its 2008 depths quite remarkably. All under the “Socialist” policies of Obama.
Old Timer
July 16th, 2012
11:44 pm
Obama can not function without pre arrainged telepromters–Chicago can not text him fast enough.
He has not been a “president” (small P) our country has been without one since the first debates in 2008. My grandad and my dad started their own businesses back in the 1930’s–the country was in depression and Roosevelt did not bankroll them Obama style.
Dirty Dawg
July 17th, 2012
12:36 am
You gotta stop relying on FauxNews for your information, and to use a great Jack McCoy line, ‘Are you that stupid Kyle or do you just think we are?’. The President was referring to ‘the American system’, not someone’s business. Damn I’m gonna enjoy your sniveling self on Nov 7…or will you call in sick? SFB!
Pizzaman
July 17th, 2012
12:47 am
Just read my post and can’t believe it. While trying to compliment you I called you Dave. Have no idea where that came from.
Sorry, Blue Side Up,
Pizzaman
PS: Never ever first but yesterday I was last!
rob
July 17th, 2012
1:04 am
Can we once and for all please understand that GOVERNMENT BUILDS NOTHING BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MONEY!!!! Taxpayers however do build lots of things that the government coordinates…..
jimbo
July 17th, 2012
6:58 am
Damn, conservatives have been reduced to obvious and childish lying. You only have to listen to 5 seconds of the quote to hear that he’s saying that business owners didn’t build the infrastructure that allowed them to build the business. This blatent misrepresentation should disqualify Wingfield from ever being taken seriously as a commentator again. And if the AJC continues to allow this Fox News form of commentary on its opinion pages, then its just as Bush league.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 17th, 2012
7:11 am
The government could pave the road in front of your house twelve times over and it wouldn’t help one bit in bringing a dream to fruition. Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, is filled with magnificent boulevards that would make any city in the world envious. They just doesn’t have any cars driving on them or shops lining them or even people walking on them.
And which country do you think obozo would rather have us be?
Lynnie Gal
July 17th, 2012
7:32 am
You’ll realize the level of help you already have, Kyle, when you start valuing what others do for you. You didn’t become a journalist, father, or educated human being on your own any more than your legs dangle in space and have no ground under them for support. No one is “self made” and it’s impossible to “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.” Think about that image. No one can do it. Human beings are social creatures and depend on each other for our very survival–always have. Conservatives are under the illusion that they do everything for themselves with no help from anyone else.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
7:35 am
What we haven’t seen on this topic is any effective defense of Obozo’s collectivist theory of how an economy works.
If you support Obozo, you’re OK with communism.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 17th, 2012
7:39 am
Why is my comment at 7:11 awaiting moderation?
Do I need to enlist the help of the government to get it freed up?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 17th, 2012
7:39 am
Wooop, there it is!
tiredofIT
July 17th, 2012
7:46 am
I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.
–
This is what happens to your brain when you start your day with “Jack”.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
7:49 am
Only when I had the time to read the whole transcript of the President’s speech in Roanoke, Virginia, and especially to listen to his words, I realized fully the shoddiness – or dishonesty – of Kyle’s reporting and the falsity of the main point of his article.
Here is what Kyle has done: He split – by inserting his comments – the President’s remarks and thus destroyed the context of Obama’s statement in a critical place, which allowed Kyle to twist what the President said into something he could mock and throw as raw meet to Obama’s attackers on this blog, claiming that Obama said that “If you’ve got a business” somebody else was going around building it.
Here is what the President actually said: “Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges – if you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
“SOMEBODY INVESTED IN ROADS AND BRIDGES – IF YOU’VE GOT A BUSINESS — YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT. ” ONE sentence, which makes undeniably clear that the President did not talk about somebody building your business, but about the roads and bridges (and the whole American system) that business people utilize.
The main point of Kyle’ article is a BIG LIE.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 17th, 2012
7:51 am
Meanwhile, back on Earth, if I pay you, that means you work for me. You act on my behalf to accomplish what I want to get done. From the very beginning of time, man paid other men to build roads, protect them from their shiftless liberal neighbors, carry away their trash. Back in the day, before the bureaucracy engulfed these menial tasks, the cost for this was BUDGETED and there was a strict OVERSIGHT as to the disposition of the collected monies. Not anymore. Even the bureaucracy doesn’t know where it all goes and we give it to them. Mind you, they do know where you are and have absolutely no problem locating the next giant chunk of money that they have this overwhelming desire to waste. And they are already thinking about the next chunk after that.
Nobody can call this “help.”
GT
July 17th, 2012
7:53 am
Woman and glass ceilings. Women’s IQ testing just went above men’s IQs for the first time in testing history. Wonder what caused that? Wonder what effect that will have on the futures of this part of society? Wonder if that is universal or just in the US? I wonder how long it will be before more women are going to prison or bragging about how they are irreplaceable?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 17th, 2012
7:55 am
As we speak, the government is borrowing your child’s future from China to fund their ability to bribe various voting constituencies with the money.
We can do with out your help. Thanks anyway!
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
7:56 am
Michael H. Smith July 16th, 2012 @9:06 pm: “MarxV get over your hate of successful people and your envy of their prosperity.”
Kyle’s Rule #2: “Anyone who refers to another commenter by anything other than the handle the latter uses will receive a ban of at least one week.”
I hope Kyle keeps his word.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
8:02 am
“SOMEBODY INVESTED IN ROADS AND BRIDGES”
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Thanks to Obozo’s UN-American $1.5 trillion deficits, wouldn’t that be China?
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
8:06 am
To claim that saying about a statement that “It is an expression of supreme arrogance” is name calling is laughable.
To claim that many people can say they never received help or assistance in endeavors they have undertaken in their life is even more laughable.
GT
July 17th, 2012
8:12 am
Check out what caused women’s IQs to increase and what held them back until recently. Seems to me the universal truth here is the environment causes the IQ and that in turn offers the individuals the opportunities that the enjoy. I might add one of this regions real problems is it doesn’t believe in this as much as other sections of the country. They believe the sweat of the brow outranks the development of the IQ for man or woman. The south is always a slow developing economy because of it.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/07/16/women-beat-men-on-iq-tests-for-first-time/
fair and balanced
July 17th, 2012
8:17 am
“”"”"”"”"”"”"The win didn’t come cheaply. Caterpillar is eligible for job tax credits and a project development grant totaling $45 million, according to Alison Tyrer, spokeswoman for the Georgia Department of Economic Development. That does not include jobs training provided by the state under Georgia’s Quick Start program.
In addition, incentives offered by Athens-Clarke and Oconee counties, valued at more than $30 million over 20 years, include tax abatements and infrastructure construction. “”"
See Caterpillar to move work from Japan to new Georgia plant
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Posted February 17, 2012
So how many of the bloggers get the Presidents point that to lure businesses back to using American workers after all the rampant outsourcing over the last twenty five yeaqrs by people like Romney it is going to take some assistanc from the government???????????????????????????????????????
That Caterpillar plant would not be moving from Japan to the US without government aide.Kyle you have a business you want to move back from overseas? tell us about it.
Don Abernethy
July 17th, 2012
8:27 am
Our President wants the government to own all the businesses.
Bubba Dodd
July 17th, 2012
8:38 am
My take on this is……”I made it in my business in spite of the Damn Government!!!!”
wmr71
July 17th, 2012
8:41 am
this president is a complete and utter dumb&%s with these continued remarks! Soon we will have to allow these same “underprivileged” and non-motivated folks to come live in our nice homes in middle/upper class neighborhoods since I am sure government had a hand in us being able to buy these homes too.
wmr71
July 17th, 2012
8:41 am
this president is a complete and utter dumb&%s with these continued remarks! Soon we will have to allow these same “underprivileged” and non-motivated folks to come live in our nice homes in middle/upper class neighborhoods since I am sure government had a hand in us being able to buy these homes too.
@@
July 17th, 2012
8:42 am
Here we go again.
Stocks: Waiting on Bernanke
CNN–ForexLive currency analyst Gerry Davies said investors will be moved most by Bernanke’s testimony. The London analyst noted heightened speculation the Fed could take action to stimulate the economy through a third round of quantitative easing.
“If you look at it logically, the market doesn’t think too deeply,” Davies said. “But QE won’t really have an effect on the economy. It’s akin to pushing on a piece of string.”
Why don’t we just elect Bernanke, KING OF THE WORLD?
bluecoat
July 17th, 2012
8:44 am
I thought all businesses were the governments.You are told all facilities you must furnish.Break and lunch times.Hours worked before ot pay.What you must post on bulletin board.Taxes you must withold.Days you must give off,or pay a premium if worked.Meet all safety regulations,and told who you must hire.All this while you are totally responsible.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
8:50 am
@@: Here we go again. Stocks: Waiting on Bernanke
——-
Remember when the economy depended on free people and free markets, rather than what Central Planning was going to do?
Vote American in November.
@@
July 17th, 2012
8:52 am
The “rent’s” TOO damn HIGH because government bureaucracy is TOO damn BIG!
They’ve ASSUMED way more than they’re entitled to!
Tap Out
July 17th, 2012
8:56 am
Make people in rural and isolated areas “retroactively” pay more in taxes for the roads and utilities they take for granted…they don’t need our help. Georgia also gets way more in Fed help than they pay into the system. This blog should be called….Right Wing Loserville.
curious
July 17th, 2012
8:57 am
Before Obama ruined it all, things were great with the Tax Cuts and all. Jobs were being created at a record pace. The housing industry, commerical development, auto industry, and stock market were going great guns.
can’t we go back?
Junior Samples
July 17th, 2012
9:00 am
Vote American in November indeed. Now we hear the Mitt outsourced torch bearers uniforms to Burma while running the Olympics in Salt Lake.
Let’s watch how republicans spin this into a patriotic Rorschach test…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
9:03 am
Educate people support free trade, Junior.
Junior Samples
July 17th, 2012
9:05 am
Free trade with military dictators, nice one Barry.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
9:07 am
curious, just to sum up:
Our President Bush’s unemployment rate: 4-6%
Obozo’s unemployment rate: 8-10%.
Care to compare budget deficits or poverty rates?
tiredofIT
July 17th, 2012
9:07 am
“Educate people support free trade, Junior.” The kind of free trade that makes a Jeep cost 180,000 in China. We need tariffs on imports.
@@
July 17th, 2012
9:10 am
LBB:
I do remember!
As it stands now, our two choices are debt or inflation.
I listened to Mitch McConnell last night. His solution was to extend the tax cuts for everyone, then spend the next year working on tax reform.
I’m all for eliminating tax credits and closing the loopholes, either temporarily or permanently. For government? A 5% tax cut across the board.
Money saved is money earned. For business, compliance costs alone would make up for the loss.
The democrats’ solution was to let the tax cuts expire for everyone. For dems, revenge is sweet.
ew
curious
July 17th, 2012
9:11 am
When Obama took office, the economy was sinking faster than the Titanic. You can cherry pick all the numbers you want, but I doubt you can find anyone , with a brain, that wil dispute that.
Wesley T.
July 17th, 2012
9:39 am
This is a pretty cheap shot. It’s quite obvious that the President was (perhaps awkwardly) stating that hard work and personal ingenuity are only part of what makes a successful entrepreneurial economy. Because those private traits can only thrive in a system with a functioning public component. There’s a reason why companies aren’t chomping at the bit to invest in places like Congo, Nicaragua, or Zimbabwe. Because those countries don’t have the rule of law, functioning infrastructure, public safety, and/or public education that’s required for private industry to thrive. No one’s going to create a business for you, but without government support, you won’t have the environment, the workers, or the customers to be successful. Or a marauding band might just come and take it from you.
md
July 17th, 2012
9:41 am
“In some way, you depend on roads, which other people pay for. Your education was paid for by other people.”
I just have to shake my head sometimes…….”other people pay for”?…..could it also be possible that they paid as well? The answer is obviously yes……..
Same with that education……..folks do pay for that, it isn’t free. start with property taxes and go from there……….
TrishaDishaWarEagle
July 17th, 2012
9:42 am
A marauding band of aholes with guns who intend to steal from you to take for themselves and others..hey that’s called the IRS
md
July 17th, 2012
9:44 am
“SOMEBODY INVESTED IN ROADS AND BRIDGES – IF YOU’VE GOT A BUSINESS — YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT. ” ONE sentence, which makes undeniably clear that the President did not talk about somebody building your business, but about the roads and bridges (and the whole American system) that business people utilize. ”
And are we to assume those businesses did not also contribute to the building and maintaining of said roads and bridges?
And to my knowledge, everybody has the same access to those roads and bridges…..including the ones that choose NOT to run a business of their own……….
md
July 17th, 2012
9:50 am
“Georgia also gets way more in Fed help than they pay into the system. ”
And the tax foundation attributes a good bit of that to medicare……you know, those very mobile old people that have a tendency to move a bit further south (and west) when the weather gets a bit too cold on their old bones……..or should we have the gov’t force them to stay up north in those blue states??
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
9:51 am
“But the question I really want answered is about Mitt’s Vietnam draft deferment. I have read that he got a deferment intended only for ordained Ministers.If this is true I deeply resent it, as should all my Vietnam vet brothers.”
Well, since he was doing ministry work in France for the Mormon CHURCH, Pizzaman, you have ZERO reason to be resentful.
When did our Vietnam Vets get so darned sensitive?
md
July 17th, 2012
9:51 am
“Free trade with military dictators, nice one Barry.”
Vs the current communist party of China…..and the difference is??
md
July 17th, 2012
9:54 am
“The kind of free trade that makes a Jeep cost 180,000 in China. We need tariffs on imports.”
Tariffs would be a kneejerk reaction………..and would lead to tariffs on our exports…….so the price goes up on everything………..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
9:56 am
Retail sales down again for the third straight month.
Who warned you Obama sycophants about that, and what it will mean long-term?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
9:58 am
“We need tariffs on imports.”
Yeah, ’cause a trade war always benefits the country that can’t make stuff as inexpensively as another . . .
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
10:08 am
md @9:41 am
“In some way, you depend on roads, which other people pay for. Your education was paid for by other people.”
“I just have to shake my head sometimes…….”other people pay for”?…..could it also be possible that they paid as well? The answer is obviously yes……..”
You need to shake your head more, md, to clear it up. Most people who start business have not paid for the roads they drive on. How much have you paid for building the interstate highway system? Once you start paying for roads and bridges, you have become one of those Obama was talking about – somebody else who “makes it happen” for other people.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
10:10 am
md @9:44 am
“And to my knowledge, everybody has the same access to those roads and bridges…..including the ones that choose NOT to run a business of their own……….”
And the point is what?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
10:16 am
curious: When O[bozo] took office, the economy was sinking faster than the Titanic.
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Oh? When Obozo took office, Our President Bush had already passed TARP and fixed the Didd-Frank housing mess, and the recession ended in June 2009.
Where are the jobs, and why is Obozo still proposing and running trillion-plus deficits?
Obozo: Fail.
md
July 17th, 2012
10:18 am
“Most people who start business have not paid for the roads they drive on. How much have you paid for building the interstate highway system?”
Have a link for that Mark? Can you show me who paid what and when please………….
And my payments to the highway system come out of my taxes, just like some others and businesses. If you really want to go there, a case could probably be made for those that did not pay anything yet still use the roads……..
As for the point…….we all have equal access…….and those businesses aren’t getting any special treatment as he seems to be implying……
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
10:19 am
“Most people who start business have not paid for the roads they drive on.”
Au contraire. Virtually everybody who starts a business has paid for the roads they drive on. Tsk, tsk. Such imprecise wording.
“How much have you paid for building the interstate highway system?
Probably as much, if not more than, YOU.
The point you MISSED (and no one is surprised at that) is that EVERYBODY gets the same benefits of roads, bridges and other infrastructure in life. It’s the hard work that those who actually do to start businesses that is being dismissed by Obama’s clumsy comments. Just as we know he could have been more precise in his wording if he chose to, he clearly chose NOT to be more precise in order to exhibit his love of all things government, and his disdain for the private sector which funds it.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
10:30 am
I will waste my time and reply to MarkV’s statement of last night,
Yes, I drive and have driven on federal highways. They are a support system furnished by government. But they never made a single decision in my life as to whether I would contribute positively or ride to the proverbial “poorhouse”.
That is the crux of the president’s statement that is so false. While government may give a support system, it is not the decision making, the strength, the mind to make or break a business. Nor should it be. We are a country where making your own decisions is vital. We are not told what to think. Another name for it is freedom.
When someone decides that government is the one and all for establishing and continuing business, they have given up on freedom. They wait and want a support system to run things for them. That is why the president’s speech is rejected. Amercans choose freedom over dependency and resent their efforts being identified as the child of government.
If you developed in a total governmental support system, perhaps your lack of interest in self decision and support are understandable. But it is not the American way. Most of us are accustomed to freedom and refuse to give it up.
Jack
July 17th, 2012
10:32 am
Obviously Obama never started a business.
DI
July 17th, 2012
10:40 am
This guy should know. He’s been givin everything. What in the world has he accomplished? Mr. Jive talkin Barry. Wake up people.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
10:44 am
md @
10:18 am
“Most people who start business have not paid for the roads they drive on. How much have you paid for building the interstate highway system?”
“Have a link for that Mark? Can you show me who paid what and when please………….”
md, if would make sense to argue with you only if you made any sense in what you write. A link? For what? A link instead of applying a tiny bit of common sense?
“those businesses aren’t getting any special treatment as he seems to be implying……”
Only in your twisted imagination he seems to be implying that.
All that the President was saying, quite correctly, is that in a civilized society we are all dependent on many other people, and are taking advantage of what those who came before us have done. He did not say that the people who paid for roads and bridges a business uses were paid by only non-business people. To use a simple example, most people living now in California have not paid for building the Golden Gate Bridge – with possible exception of a few very old ones. But they pay for maintenance and repair, thus making it possible for people after them to use it, etc.
“And my payments to the highway system come out of my taxes, just like some others and businesses.”
For the building of it? Good for you. Then you are one of those Obama had in mind when he said “somebody else made it happen.” And for whom somebody else made it happen? For those who came later, when the system was built. And many of them are “making it happen” for people coming after them by paying for extension, repair, maintenance, etc.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
10:50 am
MarkV: Bowing down to his government gods at every turn.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
10:51 am
Dusty@10:30 am
I will waste much less time replying to you.
I can only repeat what somebody else has accused you of, i.e., your writing in generalities. Why don’t you try sometime to write something concrete and specific? For instance, you wrote the following:
“That is the crux of the president’s statement that is so false.” Why don’t you tell us what is false in the President’s statement? Specifically.
md
July 17th, 2012
10:52 am
“md, if would make sense to argue with you only if you made any sense in what you write. A link? For what? A link instead of applying a tiny bit of common sense?”
Too funny…..now common sense makes assumptions that ““Most people who start business have not paid for the roads they drive on.”
And you know that how?? Hence the request for a link…….
John Dewey
July 17th, 2012
10:54 am
Anyone who has started his own small business knows full well that government is not a partner. Government is an obstacle which must be overcome. And that obstacle remains in our path throughout the life of our business. Red tape, regulation, licenses, fees, inspections, property taxes, reporting requirements, tariffs, insurance mandates, and all sorts of other bureaucratic inventions block our paths to success – the success through which America’s businessmen would fund millions of more jobs. If government would just get out of the way.
Kyle Wingfield
July 17th, 2012
11:00 am
Trisha @ 9:22 and 9:44: As you predicted, you’re gone from the blog forever.
Junior: I did not “allow [it] through moderation”; moderation ended around 7 a.m. and I’ve been working on other things. But I’ve taken down it, and the comments referring to it.
md
July 17th, 2012
11:00 am
And Mark…..if one were to do a little research, one would find that there is a growing trend for developers to build the roads leading from/to shopping centers with private funds…….
But I’m sure this president and yourself would try to give that credit to the benevolent gov’t.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
11:03 am
Vote American in November indeed. Now we hear the Mitt outsourced torch bearers uniforms to Burma while running the Olympics in Salt Lake
Yes, but he didn’t outsource the US Space program to Russia! This outsourcing thing needs to be put to rest. Romney should slap Obama down on this. Obama has given all this money to his “green energy” firms, aka, his campaign contributors, so that they could have the products made in China.
His best business friend, probably his only one is Jeff Immelt, the chairman of his Competitiveness and Jobs committee and the CEO of GE. One half of GE’s employees are abroad. They make much of their money overseas and keep it there to avoid paying US Taxes. They pay no federal income tax. Obama should just shut his pie hole on outsourcing as he is the Outsourcer in Chief.
Most all competitive firms outsource jobs, get used to it. Until we lower the corporate tax rate to become more competitive, money will remain overseas and untaxed.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
11:09 am
MarkV
What you call “generalities” is what I call opinion. I haven’t seen any vital statistics presented with your “generalities”. Perhaps you should look at your own source of information before you start condemning mine.
snoqualmiefalls
July 17th, 2012
11:10 am
Successful business’s have benefited in many ways from the largesse of the various layers of government such as roads to transport goods, or using the legal system to settle disputes, or the educational system to train people and on and on. These are all mitigating factors that successful business’s or successful people rely on each and every day, it’s time to admit the obvious folks.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
11:11 am
If Government is so great, beneficial, supportive, and all knowing, why are there all these third world backwater countries spread all over the world? Should we just all bow down and support government or should we just bow down and support good governments, and how do we tell the difference? This blind allegiance, by the left, to anything promoted by the government is a risky habit.
BADA BING
July 17th, 2012
11:11 am
There are a lot of you on welfare, SNAP, WIC, Free Lunch Program, etc, who think that you got there on your own. But somewhere along the way, you had a relative, friend, or an older con artist that guided you, showed you how to milk the system. You didn’t do it by yourself. Years of liberal policies and lazy grifters worked to refine the ripoffs and scams that so much of you take for granted today. The gov’t built the roads and bridges that allow the Post Office to deliver your checks, dozens of gov’t departments have Federal employees that process and determine what free programs that you are entitled to. You didn’t do that. BO
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
11:14 am
Bada Bing
Post of the day, wonderful, turn of the phrase!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
11:20 am
“Successful business’s have benefited in many ways from the largesse of the various layers of government”
Largesse, snoqualmiefalls? Really?
Let’s take a look at the word and it’s definition, shall we?
“1. a. Liberality in bestowing gifts, especially in a lofty or condescending manner.”
Lofty and condescending? OK, you may have a point there.
But gifts? Nope. A gift is something given freely and without payment into the process.
Government must take first, by force, before bestowing it’s condescending largess, sno.
Do you have a permanent crick in your neck from bowing in supplication to your government gods?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
11:21 am
ROFLMGDAO, BADA!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
11:22 am
Yo, Bada! Welcome to the Adult Table!
Don’t be a stranger!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
11:24 am
Government has nothing to give, that it doesn’t first take from someone else.
(Wordsmithing Tiberius, great post above.)
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
11:26 am
md @10:52 am
“Too funny…..now common sense makes assumptions that “Most people who start business have not paid for the roads they drive on.””
You show your lack of common sense to doubt that. Most people starting business are young people. Most of the roads they drive on have been paid by past generations. Most of their contribution occurs after their business becomes prosperous.
Many people who do not start or have business also pay for the roads, but again, the vast majority of any payment for infrastructure we use have been paid for by past generations, while we are paying mostly for what the future generations will use.
JDW
July 17th, 2012
11:26 am
@John Dewey…”Anyone who has started his own small business knows full well that government is not a partner.”
I would say that attitude is simply false. I have started, run and continue to run several businesses. All of which viewed the government(s) as a resource and in the large majority of cases a very large customer. Are there tradeoffs in regulations and procedures sure, but as a businessman that understands that this world isn’t “all about me” I choose to do my duty and not be a naysayer. Now there are occasions that I take exception to a policy and in those cases I work within the system to accomplish change.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
11:26 am
Dusty @11:09 am
You can write as much opinion as you want, but you should not call it a reply to my posts. Statistics are not the only way to make arguments, which is what I write, unlike you.
1961_Xer
July 17th, 2012
11:33 am
If the business is a factory, has the owner brought the bricks, wood etc. and erected the buildings? Did he put together the machines – perhaps mined the ore, smelted the metals, machined them? Does he work in it by himself?
The answer is obvious: he works in it by himself. If he did not put up the money (BY HIMSELF) to build the factory and pay workers, nobody would have shown up with mined ore, smelted metals, and machined them. Obama gives credit to people who have no skin in the game. The show up, get paid a fair wage, and leave. If the factory goes bankrupt, the man who put up the money for it goes bankrupt. The people who built the factory still have their wages for doing so. They had no skin in the game (risk) and lost nothing. Thus, the man who put up the money for for the factory DID IT HIMSELF.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
11:34 am
MarkV
I’m used to not understanding your posts, don’t speak the same language, but what the heck are you saying at 11:26. Gibberish?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
11:37 am
“All of which viewed the government(s) as a resource and in the large majority of cases a very large customer.”
Always thought you were a leech on the public dole, JDW.
“I choose to do my duty and not be a naysayer.”
Strange, but when I grew up, we were taught to always QUESTION government. Being a naysayer as regards government IS the duty of being an American.
Been there
July 17th, 2012
11:39 am
I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please “I don’t know of anyone who chooses to be poor”. You see there’s the truly poor people and then there’s the so-called poor people . . you know the ones who for them it is far easier to live off the government and take free handouts (those are the first in line at every give-a-way for the poor) and yet they have big screen tvs, cell phones, etc. and get their hair and nails done. Now those are the ones who have chosen to be “poor” . . . ask liberals what is your definition of a poor person? I would like to know. They throw that word around like those who throw the word “racist” around. It has become almost meaningless. I grew up poor; I know what being poor means and because I had a desire to do better for myself, I went to work right out of high school and have worked all my life. I have a better life today becaues I made a choice to do better.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
11:41 am
Roads, ports, airports, schools, and government are all available in Haiti as well. You would think they would have many successful businesses building off all the “largess” provided.
md
July 17th, 2012
11:42 am
“Most all competitive firms outsource jobs, get used to it. Until we lower the corporate tax rate to become more competitive, money will remain overseas and untaxed.”
Unfortunately, it seems most of the dem contingent in congress has no idea how business works either as they refuse to pass legislation that would allow that money to come home. They want the all or nothing again, and we are getting the nothing. They can’t grasp the simple concept of bringing it home even at 0% would boost taxes by allowing that capital to circulate in OUR system.
Much like those that keep complaining about States making deals to lure corps within their borders.
Hello people, those corps don’t come in then the net effect is a big fat 0………
@@
July 17th, 2012
11:44 am
This outsourcing thing needs to be put to rest.
AMEN!
The difference between Obama’s outsourcing and Bain’s is that Obama’s was done with MY money, YOUR money.
I wasn’t looking to invest in green energy.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
11:47 am
@@
Good point, investing corporate money overseas is much less egregious than investing taxpayer dollars.
md
July 17th, 2012
11:50 am
“You show your lack of common sense to doubt that. Most people starting business are young people. Most of the roads they drive on have been paid by past generations. Most of their contribution occurs after their business becomes prosperous. ”
And you show your knack for assuming with even more assuming…..again, too funny.
Do you have links for all those assumptions as well?? Most starting businesses are young? That common sense you mentioned earlier dictates otherwise, as the “young” have yet to acquire the resources and needed capital to do their own thing……….
po
July 17th, 2012
11:57 am
Mr. Wingfield – John Galt is a fictional character. Outside of fiction, most business people can thank the government for the internet – which, coincidently, allows anyone to read your views. If readers see it in print, well thank goodness someone decided that public roads were a good thing. And, you know, those pesky laws that protect copyrights (not to mention patents and trademarks) – you’re aware of them – well, the court system, funded by taxpayers – allows those laws to have teeth. Now back to Fox
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
11:59 am
Rafe Hollister, @11:34 am
As I told you before, I can’t help your inability to comprehend thoughts. Perhaps you can try professional help.
md
July 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
“most business people can thank the government for the internet”
And the really bizarre fact…..ALL gov’t can thank business for it’s very existence………..
Goes back to the fact that business can exist without gov’t, but gov’t can not exist without business…..in a capitalistic system.
@@
July 17th, 2012
12:12 pm
Reminds me of that age old question—”What came first, the chicken or the egg?”
Government was born of the people, not the other way around.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
You can tell when MarkV is losing his argument.
He starts losing his cool . . .
snoqualmiefalls
July 17th, 2012
12:21 pm
I see TBan disagrees, no surprise here, but I do have to wonder, when Newt was representing his district, why was that district the main beneficary of government largess/handouts and why didn’t anyone complain at that time about all the Federal government monies going there. If the TBan can expalin that I would be happy to hear him out, otherwise stay at the kiddie table with the Tea people.
melshop
July 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
My grandfather started two restaurants without any government loans or help. They were successful. He then helped, with advice and money, two other Greek men start businesses. My dad started his own computer business when he was laid off in the ’70s. No government help. In fact, he had to fight all kinds of regulations, but he made it work. I have had a career as a reporter. Put myself through college working three part-time jobs, taking on a full load, and working summers. Did have a small $5,000 student loan from the feds, but paid it back with interest. It was not a government favor. It was a business transaction. If that loan hadn’t been there, I would have found another way. I still would have gone to college. My husband and I started a business, again with no help from the government. In fact, if I listed all the regulations and taxes we have to pay (whether we have money coming in or not), it would make anyone wonder how we survive. We had two frivolous lawsuits our first year, a lot of government red tape and constantly changing rules and regulations. We fought through that all on our own at great expense. The government has tried to penalize us up to $2,000 for late tax filing when we owed nothing – we had no money to pay a CPA to do our taxes at the time and our extension had run out. In short, the government had done absolutely nothing to build our business. In fact, it would have destroyed it. We did find help in non-profit groups, researching mentorship programs, calling our congressmen and basically fighting like hell. We stayed up all night to finish our work for the next day. We used our savings to support our business. We are the ones who worried. We are the ones who got out there, found clients, sold them on us and worked to keep them. So, no Mr. Obama, someone else didn’t build our business. We did.
BS Aplenty
July 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
At some point in time, intelligent people acknowledge that all men are created equal under the law but not in fact. We are not all capable of getting a Ph.D. in Physics or an M.D. or a J.D. and there’s more than a few who are incapable of getting a high school diploma. Other people can’t hardly nail two boards together, rebuild an aircraft engine or grow cucumbers. And then there are those people who can sell ice to an Eskimo, persuasively speak to large crowds, pick up a musical instrument and play, write a symphony or who can perform a 360 degree slam-dunk with a basketball. You only have to be minimally observant to see these facts.
Unfortunately, when you have a President who cannot accept that people are different in their God-given talents, then it’s clear why he cannot lead this country (or a shoe store) out of the economic malaise we’re in.
Memo to the People – Time to fire the President and get the leadership we need.
necessary to create products and services and sell them and manage employees is absolutely not given to everyone,
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
12:29 pm
snoqualmiefalls, I suggest you re-read Kyle’s new rules before posting in the manner in which you just did.
Not that I’d hate to see you banned . . .
Rules 1 and 2 (especially 2) apply to you and your last post to me.
1. Anyone who comes onto the blog with personal attacks and little to nothing of substance to say will be banned permanently.
2. Anyone who refers to another commenter by anything other than the handle the latter uses will receive a ban of at least one week.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
12:30 pm
MarkV
I beg your pardon. I did not realize I had approached your throne unjustly. From now on, I shall refrain from illegal comments on your edicts. You shall have happiness in your kingdom of the left from this freedom loving trespasser..
I salute you as the mighty mentor of government control. But I wonder, do they let you out to wander the streets alone? . .
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
12:33 pm
Dusty @12:30 pm
You sound so cute when you are trying to be sarcastic.
jms
July 17th, 2012
12:33 pm
Hard to believe we made him president
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
12:34 pm
I think Dusty is cute all the time.
And I’ve never met her.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
12:41 pm
Thank you, Tiberius. I aint met you neither. But the good feeling is mutual..
jms
July 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
Everyone benefits from our public assets. The homeless guy living under the bridge had a great teacher somewhere along the way. The middle class Facebook and shop online and use the roads to drive to the beach. The poor use heavily subsidized public transit. The question is whether their responsibility to pay for all our public goodies are any less than the successful business person.
@@
July 17th, 2012
12:46 pm
Dusty:
Sometimes I’ll read your posts to my husband. He always smiles and says “That’s my Dusty!”
Tell me…have you and my husband ever met?
(IW&SH)
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
12:48 pm
Those roads you libtards keep harping on weren’t built by government. They were built by Caterpillar who made the heavy equipment, by the quarries that mined and crushed the stone, and by the oil companies and refiners who made the tar for the asphalt. Obozo wants to give government the credit for something built by others.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
12:51 pm
Dusty
You are cute, I can tell, but tell me, do I need professional help or did you not understand MarkV @11:26 as well? If you tell me you understood what he was saying about how to reply to his post, I’ll be off to the nearest government office of professional help.
I don’t know whether to seek help or stay at home waiting on that gov guy, who promised to stop by today and build me a business.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
12:53 pm
@@
I haven’t had the privilege of meeting your husband, you lucky girl. But I can’t help but appreciate his good taste in many things!!! Best wishes to you and you know who!
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
12:57 pm
jms
Yes, indeed, kinda like the old Biblical parable about the talents. According to Obama, the guy who went forth and increased his talents, was no less virtuous than the guy who buried his, because he would not have a talent to begin with had it not been for God (later supplanted by Government).
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
12:59 pm
should be no more virtuous.
Hillbilly D
July 17th, 2012
1:00 pm
Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
1:08 pm
Dear Rafe,
Do you need professional help? Don’t we all!! But….if you can decipher far left natterings, then there is no hope! Reason has departed. You, sir, are sound by all measure!
ByteMe
July 17th, 2012
1:20 pm
If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
So what’s the pronoun “that” referring to, Kyle? The business? Nope, that’s not what he said.
Here’s the full quote all together, so that everyone can see you made this crap up:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
So “that” turns out to be roads, bridges, infrastructure. All necessary for a business to succeed. All paid for by the tax dollars provided by everyone.
#DISHONEST
JDW
July 17th, 2012
1:29 pm
@Tiberuis…”Always thought you were a leech on the public dole, JDW”
Interesting as I have never gotten a paycheck from the government…just company revenue in return for value. You can’t answer the same to the paycheck statement and I am quite sure that you have provided no value.
md
July 17th, 2012
1:32 pm
“Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that”
It’s not at all clear that he was referring to “roads and bridges”, but let’s assume for a minute that he was……..if that’s the case, those businesses actually paid for those roads and bridges…..so he’s still wrong…………
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
1:36 pm
JDW, I just find it very interesting that the amount of devotion to government increases when someone makes their living off of it, while the level of disdain increases for government when you actually work IN it.
“and I am quite sure that you have provided no value”
My medals and ribbons places your statement in the “I don’t know jack —-” column, JDW.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
1:37 pm
ByteMe @ 1:20 pm
See my post @7:49 am. And I do not mind; even appreciate your making the point also. It should be repeated, because Kyle has not deigned to respond.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
1:41 pm
Obozo’s aim on his gaffe-filled speech was to minimize the importance of free market capitalism and maximize the importance of government. It’s as simple as that.
If you like government, welfare, handouts, and getting even with folks who’ve had it top good for too long, you’re applauding his speech. If you work for a living, you’re counting the days until you get to Vote American.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
1:43 pm
Most everyone in America reads what Obama said one way, and Byteme and MarkV read it differently. Surprising? Not quite.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
1:43 pm
Awww Byte Me…before I go to lunch,
Do you know there was TRADE before there were roads, bridges and infrastructure? TRADE was the BUSINESS of acquiring the support you needed. An early example: ” I will trade you two fine clay pots for your deer skin moccasins”. It was business, a primitive instinct to survive.
Business came long before the advantages of roads, bridges, and infratructure and the mammoth world of present day exchanges. Sure, all those things are necessary now but business came long before that level arrived. Business came first and independently.
# HONEST.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
1:44 pm
Some people are incapable of understanding that “building something,” and possibly (not necessarily) paying a miniscule amount of money for that purpose are two very different things.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
1:45 pm
LBB
I see where John Sununu is channeling you, he advised Obama to try the American economic way for a change.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
1:46 pm
Government didn’t build the roads. Taxpayers built the roads.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Revised Downward)
July 17th, 2012
1:47 pm
That Sununu is one smart guy. I’ll have to look for his commentary.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
1:49 pm
“Most everyone in America reads what Obama said one way, and Byteme and MarkV read it differently. Surprising? Not quite.” (Rafe Hollister,@1:43 pm)
I suppose I might imitate md and ask Rafe for a link or how he knows how “most everyone in America” reads what Obama said.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
1:51 pm
The only thing Gov ever built was debt. Everything else was built by citizens. Just because you can confiscate and bundle money and let bids to your campaign contributors, doesn’t mean you built anything. Some people are incapable of understanding that Gov exists to serve the citizens, the citizens do not exist to serve government.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
1:51 pm
Dusty @1:43 pm
You are so right, Dusty. And it is so irrelevant to the discussion.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
July 17th, 2012
1:53 pm
Face it, receptacles, your Klown stepped in it badly, and real Americans have a better idea now as to why he’s failed so miserably to put policies in place that would foster real economic growth.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
1:55 pm
Rafe Hollister@1:51 pm
“The only thing Gov ever built was debt. Everything else was built by citizens.”
Red Alert! Our government people are aliens (according to Rafe).
md
July 17th, 2012
1:57 pm
“Government didn’t build the roads. Taxpayers built the roads.”
And to be precise, those that started businesses built those roads……as those businesses generated the capital from whence those taxes came……….
md
July 17th, 2012
1:59 pm
“the citizens do not exist to serve government.”
Now, now….let’s be honest. I know quite a few that certainly do……some seem to be on these boards…..
md
July 17th, 2012
2:00 pm
“Our government people are aliens (according to Rafe).”
ALL “gov’t people” derive their income from those businesses as well…………..
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
2:06 pm
“Our government people are aliens (according to Rafe).”
“ALL “gov’t people” derive their income from those businesses as well…………..” (md @2:00 pm)
Is md trying to amuse us by a non sequitur?
md
July 17th, 2012
2:09 pm
Actually Mark, I misread your response……my bad on that one. But, they do get their income from those businesses, so it kinda fits the discussion………….
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 17th, 2012
2:09 pm
MarkV
We know who the alien is, alien to the truth.
I am waiting on the Carney barker to tell everyone that misinterpreted (your opinion) this statement, how wrong we all are. It has been out there for almost two days now and they haven’t corrected our interpretation yet.
JDW
July 17th, 2012
2:11 pm
@Tiberius…”My medals and ribbons places your statement in the “I don’t know jack —-” column, JDW.”
Good Conduct and Retirement ribbons aren’t really value…jack
Jefferson
July 17th, 2012
2:12 pm
Maybe you can get him to get you some new sheets.
Bruno
July 17th, 2012
2:14 pm
Cheesy Grits: Every successful person in America has had a ton of help on the way. In the obnoxious Republican mind though they made it all by themselves. And everyone else is a freeloader who just wants to mooch off them.
md: Pure hogwash…….those “fruits of gov’t” are also available to any and all, yet any and all don’t go out and risk their savings on creating their own business………
In reading through the comments, the same two polar opposite points of view keep being repeated. Those on the Left emphasize the fact that without a strong society, no one can be succesful, such that individual effort is only a minor factor in the overall picture. Those on the Right point out that we all have access to the same opportunities in the US, such that individual effort is what is most important in determining a peson’s level of success.
Of course, the truth is somewhere in between. It takes both opportunity AND individual effort to make it.
Per Obama’s comments, obviously he has taken one side over the other. Therefore, we have more reason to vote for him or against him. For me, the reasons to vote against him are now stronger.
wallbanger
July 17th, 2012
2:16 pm
This one really ripped it for me. When I was the first and only student in my high school’s history to go to a private college, when I worked day and night for the first 3 years of school, when I worked hard and supported my two kids growing up, and bought my own home, and supported myself, where was all this help and support? I give it to a few mentors and teachers who advised me, but give me a break!! I was one of 25 in my high school class. If what Obama is saying were true, then all of them would have been successful lawyers. It took a lot more than just “being there”.
MarkV
July 17th, 2012
2:22 pm
Rafe Hollister @2:09 pm
There is no need for any “interpretation.” The words are quite clear, if only you would care to listen.
BADA BING
July 17th, 2012
2:27 pm
I wonder who helped all the successful thugs and murderers who are terrorizing Chicago right now?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
2:27 pm
“Good Conduct and Retirement ribbons aren’t really value…jack”
But commendations are. . . leech.
kelly
July 17th, 2012
2:29 pm
Seems Kyle is playing to his short attention span, anti-Obama base more and more. It’s a little embarrassing to see these same kind of remarks on all the RW blogs. Does Kyle have an independent thought on the subject? Or is it all bad Obama, all the time.
You never can tell
July 17th, 2012
2:33 pm
“But commendations are. . . leech”
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
12:29 pm
snoqualmiefalls, I suggest you re-read Kyle’s new rules before posting in the manner in which you just did.
Not that I’d hate to see you banned . . .
Rules 1 and 2 (especially 2) apply to you and your last post to me.
1. Anyone who comes onto the blog with personal attacks and little to nothing of substance to say will be banned permanently.
2. Anyone who refers to another commenter by anything other than the handle the latter uses will receive a ban of at least one week.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
July 17th, 2012
2:37 pm
Looks to me like Tib violated neither rule.
Next.
Dusty
July 17th, 2012
2:38 pm
Bruno
Most sensible post. You said “it takes both opportunity and individual effort to make it. ”
Seems to me, the question arising here is whether the government should provide the opportunity or whether the individual realizes an opportunity and uses it. Not one the government provides.
Should government provide opportunities for establishing a business? NO. We have already seen the federal government waste money (Solyndra. GM). States are using taxpayer money for the “good of the people’ aka business (Caterpiller,etc)and there seems no end to it.
I can’t help but wonder if the idea of small business is being pushed out of the picture. That makes government control more and more of American life. It is hard to be “neutral” at such a prospect..
You never can tell
July 17th, 2012
2:46 pm
“Should government provide opportunities for establishing a business?”
Hasn’t the SBA assisted in starting many successful business? Maybe you were just meant subsidized in some form or fashion.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 17th, 2012
2:55 pm
“Or is it all bad Obama, all the time.”
Well, if it wasn’t actually all bad Obama all the time, we wouldn’t have much to write about, now would we, kelly?
Maybe if he’d just do SOMETHING good, we could comment on anything else.
@@
July 17th, 2012
3:07 pm
Had this recent “gaffe” been a stand alone “gaffe”, it wouldn’t have received much attention. It wasn’t. Add it to all his other actions/comments touting the “NEED” for government intervention, the outrage is appropriate.
So he’s going off the teleprompter to stir passions?
It’s likely he won’t get the kinda passion he’s hoping for.
Shades of Joe Biden!
The truth will come out in the most inappropriate way.
fair and balanced
July 17th, 2012
3:47 pm
Ao how many of you Obama haters have jobs with companies that provide you health insurance and retirement benefits? Does federal tax deductions and credits have anything to do with your employer’s decision to offer those benefits. Would you have worked there without the benefits???
could it be that this was done to assist employers in attracting workers?
So what role do the feds have in your employment?
Do small businesses get depreciation allowances for buying equipment. Whose providing that incentive to buy equipment and offset taxes on small business income? the tax fairy?
JDW
July 17th, 2012
4:28 pm
@LBB…”Looks to me like Tib violated neither rule.”
Of course not you and Tiberius are bastions of civil discourse.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 17th, 2012
5:08 pm
It’s because I’ve actually READ the rules and don’t have your apparent reading comprehension problem.
Kelser
July 17th, 2012
8:28 pm
to the silly one who saying “cheesy grits” – guess what…you’re wrong. not all americans who are successful had a “ton” of help along the way. In fact, my family had zero help from government, and built our business the old fashioned way. You on the other hand are so simple minded, you wouldn’t know how to start or build a business – because you are a DEPENDENT person. Get out from under the rock and meet some of the ‘greatest generation’ business creators…many of them, including my parents and grand parents had zero help from anyone and became successful. I think you have smoked the same bad weed that Obama did…and suggest you get your money back.
Obambarrassment
July 17th, 2012
8:43 pm
With Obama’s reasoning, I announce my share of the collective claim to the Nobel Peace Prize given to our good, clean, articulate President (it’s an amazing story). By Obama’s own admission he didn’t do anything to win it.
We elected him; so we did.
Barack, I’d like it at my house for a week in late December for Christmastime so I can show it off. You don’t celebrate that holiday anyway, do you?
Obambarrassment
July 17th, 2012
8:49 pm
fair and balanced @ 3:47
No, the health benefits were added enticements companies came up with as a result of federal policies six decades ago that prevented companies from paying market wages called “wage and price controls”.
It was a free-market solution to a government problem, which the mission-creeping federal government has itself taken over recently.
This original problem came from FDR, the first President to put his boot on the neck of the US economy.
Honestly, if government would stop legislating so many solutions, (that they pass before they read) we wouldn’t have so many of these problems blowing up in our faces.
independent thinker
July 17th, 2012
8:54 pm
Maybe one of you Romney fans can explain why the Government is giving tax seductions to businesses like Bail for exporting jobs a s alegitimate job expense? I am sure that is not an example of government assistance to help a business’ bottom line ist ???
Also explain why you are still backing this clown when Michael Steele joined the chorus of Repubs wh said if Romney does not release his tax returns he may not get nominated???????
mark urbo
July 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
Obama’s “Elizabeth Warren” like comment in Roanoke on how government is the creator/purveyor of all will go down in history as the most left leaning socialist comment ever made by an American president. It was a disgusting display of liberalism’s misguided view of reality courtesy of a Harvard education no less…
America was created by individuals. Individuals ALLOW the government to collect taxes to be used for infrastructure building that they WILLINGLY approve – such that future individuals can continue to create wealth for themselves and growth opportunities in America.
Without individuals and their success in the private sector – there would be no government and resultant public sector opportunities. These comments by Obama and Warren are proof positive that government needs to be reset in size and jurisdiction, and sweep clean of socialists.
Think back to Edison, Bell, Wrights, Ford and many others – some self educated – who brought their ideas to life without big government, roads, electricity, or infrastructure. They did not get block grants and loans from a central socialist government or approvals from some government agency to create lights, phones, phonographs, flying machines, affordable cars, etc.
This very software [ Disqus ] used to comment here was a dream in an individual’s head, before it was an idea that became a reality. America became great due to individuals and their self initiative, not big central government directives. To think otherwise is to fall victim to the greatest con in human history, which is that socialism/collectivism leads to a utopia where everyone is treated the same and all outcomes are equal and fair. As history shows – on your way to this socialist utopia or about the time you pull into the station – the economy will meltdown and all will be lost because socialism is NOT sustainable. Your socialist utopia is a smile on an OWS dog.
jon
July 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
You all know that the “that” in “you didn’t build that” refers to rads and bridges – right?