Obama tramples welfare reform, rule of law
What is it about the rule of law that doesn’t agree with Barack Obama? When he thought the Supreme Court might throw out his namesake, signature health reform, he (falsely) lamented it “would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.” But the president appears to have no compunctions about taking such a step himself.
Last month, it was a decision to partially stop applying immigration law. Yesterday, his administration neutered a key element of one of the signature moments from the Clinton administration: the 1996 welfare reform. As the Daily Caller’s Mickey Kaus puts it:
The guts of the 1996 welfare reform were a) welfare was ended as an “entitlement” (controlled by the feds) and transferred to the states, as a “block grant” subject to certain requirements; and b) one of those requirements was that a certain percentage of each state’s welfare caseload had to be working or preparing for work. A great deal of effort was put into defining what qualified as work, and making sure that work actually meant work and not the various BS activities (including BS training activities) the welfare bureaucracies often preferred to substitute for work.
Yet such training activities are exactly the kind of excuse the Obama administration is offering states that would like to waive the work-to-welfare portion of the welfare reform.
Whereas Chief Justice John Roberts went through legal contortions to keep Obamacare on the books, the administration is taking similar pains to remove this one. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector, one of the key figures behind the welfare reform, explains that the administration can’t just waive the actual work-to-welfare requirement because the 1996 law (which includes the program in question known as TANF, or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) does not allow that. Instead, the Department of Health and Human Services is cramming its rewrite of the law through an unrelated loophole known as Section 402 — the only section of the law subject to a waiver:
Section 402 describes state plans — reports that state governments must file to HHS describing the actions they will undertake to comply with the many requirements established in the other sections of the TANF law. The authority to waive section 402 provides the option to waive state reporting requirements only, not to overturn the core requirements of the TANF program contained in the other sections of the TANF law.
The new Obama dictate asserts that because the work requirements, established in section 407, are mentioned as an item that state governments must report about in section 402, all the work requirements can be waived. This removes the core of the TANF program; TANF becomes a blank slate that HHS bureaucrats and liberal state bureaucrats can rewrite at will.
Quite simply, this is illegal; Rector points to a clarification on this point from the Congressional Research Service back in 2001. We can only guess that, because all Obama’s promises apparently come with an expiration date, the president thinks others’ statements do, too.
Perhaps Obama was merely unaware that welfare reform passed by a much “strong[er] majority of a democratically elected Congress” than Obamacare did, and with much more bipartisan support to boot (including that of a senator at the time named Joe Biden).
Or perhaps Obama knows there would be scant support even among congressional Democrats for undoing the popular and effective welfare reforms — and sees no reason to trifle with the rule of law when it stands in the way of his aims.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
2:33 pm
Really?
md
July 13th, 2012
2:34 pm
Maybe we now know why Obama went to Harvard……it wasn’t to study law, it was to figure out ways around the law.
And regardless of one’s views on DOMA, he did the same there. It isn’t his place to unilaterally change legislation, that belongs to Congress……..
What he doesn’t realize (or maybe he does) is that be setting precedent, it is only a matter of time before the other “side” uses the exact same tactic……then I’m guessing he’ll be screaming from the rooftops about an abuse of power.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
2:35 pm
If it’s all so illegal why doesn’t someone stop it? Oh wait, because it’s all just made up hooey, hyberbole, and scare tactics.
Yawn. It really sounds as stupid as the left wing nut cases that chanted “Bush Lied and Soldiers Died.”
Congratulations.
md
July 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
So Fred…..you OK with any President ignoring the bills put in place by Congress?
Jefferson
July 13th, 2012
2:42 pm
Schill for the GOP, maybe, maybe not, maybe so.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
2:48 pm
md
July 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
So Fred…..you OK with any President ignoring the bills put in place by Congress?
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Yawn. So now the PRESIDENT enforces the laws? That’s a new one on me……….
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
2:49 pm
Come on md (Chicken) Little. Tell me how the sky is falling…………
carlosgvv
July 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
Obama is probably doing this to get votes.
Kyle, you will be hypocritical if it’s suggested here that Republicans won’t do the same thing.
Dearie
July 13th, 2012
3:01 pm
Bill Whittle tells it like it is.
I challenge anyone to watch this and still vote for President Obama. It is worth the time. This is a big decision.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-FGgoReyNE&feature=player_embedded
Mark
July 13th, 2012
3:04 pm
OBAMA 2012!!!
Kyle Wingfield
July 13th, 2012
3:11 pm
Try to get votes? No, carlosgvv, I’m not going to deny they’ll do that.
md
July 13th, 2012
3:13 pm
Fred….are you even capable of having a discussion without insulting someone?
“Yawn. So now the PRESIDENT enforces the laws? That’s a new one on me……….”
If you would like to read up on it Fred, this President has told his DOJ to not enforce various laws and various aspects of laws…….it’s on google if you care to inform yourself.
Now, if you think you can discuss an issue without the insults and drama, do you think any president should bypass Congress if they personally don’t like a law on the books?
It’s a simple enough question……….
Jeffrey
July 13th, 2012
3:16 pm
Any chance the economy has something to do with this? I mean lots of folks can’t get jobs today, how the hell is someone on welfare?
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 13th, 2012
3:21 pm
What can you say about his guy anymore. He goes to great length to prove beyond a doubt that his severest critics were right about him all along. He displays constantly his utter disregard for the legislative branch and the rule of law.
According to his autobiography, while in college he wanted to violently overthrow the government, but says he matured and talked to people, who told him to work through the system. Well, he is slowly working through the system to overthrow us, without any violence.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
July 13th, 2012
3:26 pm
Where are the people who screamed “Imperialist” at Reagan and Bush, when these people didn’t think they had those administrations had approval of congress to launch an attack on some group or country. This is the same thing. Acting unilaterally, without consulting congress.
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
3:32 pm
md, don’t pick on Fred. it’s obvious he’s never read the Constitution where it says the President “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed”. (Article II, Section 3)
md
July 13th, 2012
3:33 pm
“I mean lots of folks can’t get jobs today, how the hell is someone on welfare?”
Watch Stossel’s report on “Out of Work”, in which he intervies people in line at the welfare office. all of which tell him there are no jobs.
He then spent 2 hours in the immediate area and found 40 open positions, one business owner even looking for 12-14 people, but no one would apply……
Decide for yourself……….
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
3:33 pm
Fred’s copy of the Constitution probably doesn’t contain the explaination about the Executive Branch being the one to enforce the laws that the Legislative Branch passes and the Judicial Branch codifies.
Oh, and Fred? The President is the head of the Executive Branch, so, yes, it IS his job to enforce our laws.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 13th, 2012
3:41 pm
I thought he already bought these voters?
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:46 pm
md
July 13th, 2012
3:13 pm
Fred….are you even capable of having a discussion without insulting someone?
“Yawn. So now the PRESIDENT enforces the laws? That’s a new one on me……….”
If you would like to read up on it Fred, this President has told his DOJ to not enforce various laws and various aspects of laws…….it’s on google if you care to inform yourself.
Now, if you think you can discuss an issue without the insults and drama, do you think any president should bypass Congress if they personally don’t like a law on the books?
It’s a simple enough question……….
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So anyone who laughs at you and refuses to scare under the scare tactics of the fearful right is a big meany correct?
Yawn. So tell me what laws are Nathan Steal, our thieving crooked Governor, NOT going to have enforced in Georgia?
Smoke mirrors and fear mongering son, smoke, mirrors and fear mongering. When you can come up with a REAL issue let me know……….
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
3:47 pm
Voters can’t be bought. You can only get them on lease, so every election you have to make another payment.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:47 pm
md
July 13th, 2012
3:33 pm
“I mean lots of folks can’t get jobs today, how the hell is someone on welfare?”
Watch Stossel’s report on “Out of Work”, in which he intervies people in line at the welfare office. all of which tell him there are no jobs.
He then spent 2 hours in the immediate area and found 40 open positions, one business owner even looking for 12-14 people, but no one would apply……
Decide for yourself……….
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Give me their names.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:49 pm
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer’s ineptocracy
July 13th, 2012
3:26 pm
Where are the people who screamed “Imperialist” at Reagan and Bush, when these people didn’t think they had those administrations had approval of congress to launch an attack on some group or country. This is the same thing. Acting unilaterally, without consulting congress.
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OHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! So maybe it’s NOT so illegal then? Or maybe just illegal when a Democrat does it.
Gotta love the hypocrisy.
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
3:50 pm
No, any one that laughs is not a big meany. They probably are a democrat and have never actually read the Constitution.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:50 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
3:33 pm
Fred’s copy of the Constitution probably doesn’t contain the explaination about the Executive Branch being the one to enforce the laws that the Legislative Branch passes and the Judicial Branch codifies.
Oh, and Fred? The President is the head of the Executive Branch, so, yes, it IS his job to enforce our laws.
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Oh so he straps on a badge and a gun polices the whole Country or just DC?
Tell me, how many arrests did President Bush make?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
3:51 pm
“So tell me what laws are Nathan Steal, our thieving crooked Governor, NOT going to have enforced in Georgia? ”
This is known as a deflection, used when someone has been caught in an error or lie in a vain hope that others didn’t notice.
But of course, we did.
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
3:52 pm
Bush did consult with Congress, and the President has the authority under the War Powers act to move unilaterally for a period of time. Again, something democrats don’t understand. Congress approved the actions in Iraq and Afganistan and approved funding for them several times. But don’t let facts get in the way.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:52 pm
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
3:50 pm
No, any one that laughs is not a big meany. They probably are a democrat and have never actually read the Constitution.
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Yeah I know. Anyone who doesn’t walk lock step with you far right wing fanatical nutcases is a “liberal” or a “democrat.”
Yawn. Your talk radio schtick is old. I’ve heard it before. Do YOU have any original ideas or thoughts?
I didn’t think so. We saw the other day that neither Tiberious nor md do either. They can only parrot the days content of talk radio or fox news…….
warren
July 13th, 2012
3:53 pm
Obama is bringing down the entire country, another 4 years will be a disaster, to all those of in the check of the month club,r who are in the 50 percent who pay no taxes, are on SNAP and using your EBT cards for the free money do you realize that 10 trillion in debt? more debt added in one term by Obama than the first 40 Presidents combined.
Who is going to pay for all these programs? Not the half who are not paying taxes, not the 25 million unemployed, not the Chinese who have been loaning the US money of late, another 4 years like this there will be no more SNAP EBT or welfare because there will be no more money.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:53 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
3:51 pm
“So tell me what laws are Nathan Steal, our thieving crooked Governor, NOT going to have enforced in Georgia? ”
This is known as a deflection, used when someone has been caught in an error or lie in a vain hope that others didn’t notice.
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Nope it’s called a vain effort to try to help you to think for yourself there sport.
Mary
July 13th, 2012
3:53 pm
Welfare and Food Stamps 2012!!
md
July 13th, 2012
3:54 pm
“So anyone who laughs at you and refuses to scare under the scare tactics of the fearful right is a big meany correct? ”
Did you ever do current events in school Fred? These are nothing but current events……which means they actually took place. You don’t do yourself any favors by making silly comments without taking the time to actually go and look up the information……..
As for your request for names…….I don’t have them. As I said, go watch the report and then make up your own mind.
Or don’t……it’s a choice………
Not Blind
July 13th, 2012
3:54 pm
I saw that Stossel report. The first guy in the welfare line was named Fred. Next guy , Fred. Then there was a woman. Her name was Fred.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
3:54 pm
“Oh so he straps on a badge and a gun polices the whole Country or just DC? ”
In case you missed it in Civics class, Fred, that’s what the Department of Justice does. You probably don’t recognize that, because this current one has a problem with actually carrying out their duties according to the Constitution. Their ability to turn a blind eye towards anything that might garner them votes is their modus operandi.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:55 pm
warren, calm down. You’ll give yourself a fear induced heart attack repeating all those talk radio lies.
The sky ISN’T falling.
Please show me where China has given us a loan. I’ll wait…….
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
3:55 pm
Fred’ss pulling something, but it’s not a tail. And agian, for Fred, the President is responsible to see that the laws are executed, not for actually executing the law. Small but important difference.
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
3:57 pm
“In an unprecedented move, in June 2011 the U.S. Treasury Department granted the Chinese government direct-bidder status to purchase U.S. Treasuries direct from the U.S. government, reports Reuters. All other central banks must purchase U.S. Treasuries through primary dealers on Wall Street, which then place bids on their behalf at Treasury auctions.
The People’s Bank of China holds roughly $1.2 trillion in U.S. debt, more than any other entity, and it is now the first foreign government with direct computer access to the U.S. government Treasury auction process. China, however, must sell U.S. Treasuries on the open market.”
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/geithner-thinking-treasury-grants-china-direct-access-buy-143939103.html
Debating with Fred is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:58 pm
Oh I see Tiberius. And the Justice Department NEVER BEFORE under anyone other than President Obama made some issues a priority while slughing off others. Right?
Yawn. The sky is falling.
So much FEAR that you Far right republican nutcases live in. It must be a tough life for you.
But keep giving me those sub 10% tax rates. I’m spending that crap every day. Thanks.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
3:59 pm
I think Fred meets the standards of Kyle’s first new rule to a “T”.
1. Anyone who comes onto the blog with personal attacks and little to nothing of substance to say will be banned permanently.
Either that, or he’s on a mission to prove that liberals are grouchy old people who can’t accept reality and always ignore facts.
I’m just not sure if it’s one or the other, or both.
AmVet
July 13th, 2012
4:00 pm
Obama is bringing down the entire country…
We survived the Reign of Error, didn’t we? (Barely.)
The Obama administration, though very mediocre, is a walk in the park after that endless disaster…
md
July 13th, 2012
4:00 pm
“I didn’t think so. We saw the other day that neither Tiberious nor md do either. They can only parrot the days content of talk radio or fox news……”
Fred….do you ever do any research?
I don’t listen watch either of those much at all…….most of the info actually comes from what might be considered liberal media…….cbs, cnn, yahoo, etc
Again, your assumptions and accusations reflect much more on you than they do me………you are the one that has a tendency to shoot from the hip without reading up on things first.
And you never did answer yesterday whether you were an S corp……did you read up on that yet?
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:01 pm
Not Blind
July 13th, 2012
3:54 pm
I saw that Stossel report. The first guy in the welfare line was named Fred. Next guy , Fred. Then there was a woman. Her name was Fred.
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Oh noes. I’m so crushed.
I’m a 2% though Sport. If I wasn’t so lazy I’d be a 1%. Or maybe if when my wife gets that next raise.
Unemployment line? Not me chief. Been writing MY checks for 25 years. And a bunch for otgher folks as well when I decide to hire them.
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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
4:01 pm
“And the Justice Department NEVER BEFORE under anyone other than President Obama made some issues a priority while slughing off others. Right?”
Another deflection. When you can’t defend your side, go back and bring up issues with the other side, EVEN THOUGH YOUR SIDE PROMISED TO CHANGE the way Washington works.
I’m not sure why so many people keep bringing up the past, when it cannot be changed.
Darwin
July 13th, 2012
4:02 pm
I’m with you Kyle. That lying president who doesn’t know what laws and the truth are all about. Why, he even accused Iraq of having WMDs. Then invaided the country because of 9/11.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:05 pm
And you never did answer yesterday whether you were an S corp……did you read up on that yet?
Never saw it. I got bored with you way before that point. I went to play Empire Builder with my daughter. Got to teach her how to use all the money you dummies keep voting for me to have. I’m loving those sub 9% tax rates you give me. Thanks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Builder_%28board_game%29
md
July 13th, 2012
4:06 pm
“Please show me where China has given us a loan. I’ll wait…….”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/21/us-usa-treasuries-china-idUSBRE84K11720120521
Ayn Rant
July 13th, 2012
4:08 pm
Thank God there’s someone in Washington willing to do something sensible! Legal, illegal, baloney! There are thousands of laws on the books, most of them bad, many vague or comprehensible. Enforcement has always, by necessity, been selective.
Since the welfare-to-work requirement was laid on the states, it’s only sensible to give the states latitude to administer the objectives in the most efficient and effective way, under the circumstances.
Only a fool would expect, or wait for, Congress to do anything useful. Only a fool would pettifog the “legality” of the President’s action in prudent administration of the law.
Congress is incapable of carrying out their basic constitutional duty of budgeting federal expenditures. Congress quarrels over raising the debt ceiling even though the budget proposals of both political parties envision deficit spending over the next 10 years. The House votes to repeal RomneyObamaCare every year, knowing full well that the Senate will not agree and the president will veto it.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:09 pm
Another deflection. When you can’t defend your side, go back and bring up issues with the other side, EVEN THOUGH YOUR SIDE PROMISED TO CHANGE the way Washington works.
See? you are just to simple to figure it out even when I keep telling you. I don’t HAVE a side dummy. i’m an independent. I laugh at you mindless fanatics from BOTH sides of the aisle who haven’t the brains to think for yourselves.
You on the other hand can not even fathom the concept of freedom of thought and independence form a broken philosophy. So you just keep parroting what Rush and the other say just as the lefties parrot Huff.
Ya’ll ALL crack me up. You basically tell the same lies and exude the same hypocrisy. The only difference is who the “boogieman” is. For you it’s “Obama” for them it’s “Bush” and “Romney.”
Yet in the end there is little truth in anything ether one of you says.
But keep on keeping my money safe.
md
July 13th, 2012
4:09 pm
Well Fred….only trying to help. If you are an “S” and have only been taking dividends, you may want to have a visit with your accountant……….
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
4:10 pm
“And the Justice Department NEVER BEFORE under anyone other than President Obama made some issues a priority while slughing off others. Right?”
The DOJ has refused to enforce laws in the past. When they were deemed to be unconstitutional. I never thought that enforcing voting laws, immigration, the defense of marriage act and several other laws were unconstitutional.
JDW
July 13th, 2012
4:11 pm
Well I can’t say I am up on the ins and outs of this. In fact the only place this seems to be big news is here. After lots of searching I did come up with this bit.
“George Sheldon, acting assistant secretary for the Administration for Children and Families, defends the changes to the law as giving states extra flexibility — flexibility that the administration says the states themselves have asked the federal government for.”
So it’s not front page news anywhere and it seems that first the states ask for something, The Adminstration gives it to them and Repugs go nuts…
Par for the course…YAWN
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:12 pm
Hey md? Treasuries aren’t a loan. You lose.
You’re problem is that you don’t understand the lies you parrot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=3&feature=plpp_video
md
July 13th, 2012
4:13 pm
“And the Justice Department NEVER BEFORE under anyone other than President Obama made some issues a priority while slughing off others.”
Priorities??
“The President has also concluded that Section 3 of DOMA, as applied to legally married same-sex couples, fails to meet that standard and is therefore unconstitutional. Given that conclusion, the President has instructed the Department not to defend the statute in such cases. I fully concur with the President’s determination.”
Last I checked in the Constitution, it was up the the SC to decide what is and isn’t constitutional…..
Care to show us where that was changed??
md
July 13th, 2012
4:14 pm
“Hey md? Treasuries aren’t a loan. You lose.”
Excuse me? It’s our debt….they are buying our debt Fred. Last I checked, anyone owning my debt was giving me a loan………..
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:15 pm
md
July 13th, 2012
4:09 pm
Well Fred….only trying to help. If you are an “S” and have only been taking dividends, you may want to have a visit with your accountant……….
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I don’t know. I NEVER make any money lol. I think he’s doing a great job.
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm
Fred, just another word for troll.
Just saying..
July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm
A Signing Statement wouldn’t work here?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm
Welfare is a bunch of white people sitting around collecting welfare while moaning and groaning about all the non-whites who are getting welfare.
Welfare includes tax breaks, subsidies, all that other stuff we white folks don’t like to discuss in the same breath as “welfare”.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:17 pm
md
July 13th, 2012
4:14 pm
“Hey md? Treasuries aren’t a loan. You lose.”
Excuse me? It’s our debt….they are buying our debt Fred. Last I checked, anyone owning my debt was giving me a loan………..
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Really? What’s the interest? Where is the mortgage? What are the payments? How do they enforce collection?
I’m all ears.
Jefferson
July 13th, 2012
4:18 pm
Tramples, oh my.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:18 pm
John Daly
July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm
Fred, just another word for troll.
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Uh huh. Because you lack the knowledge to refutre anything I say I MUST be a troll.
Kill the messenger right?
Just keep living in talk radio and fox news induced fear. I’ll stick with freedom thank you very much.
Bless your tender little heart.
md
July 13th, 2012
4:19 pm
“I don’t know. I NEVER make any money lol. I think he’s doing a great job.”
If you are an S and there are dividends from profit, the law also states you best be paying yourself a salary…..if you aren’t, I’d find me another accountant unless you want to share a cell with that one.
Darwin
July 13th, 2012
4:22 pm
OK – so I go out and read the real story. It’s about federal rules from the 97 law that dictate “mind numbing details about how to run a welfare to work program.” Also, Most states and experts agree that these aren’t helpful,” says a statement just issued by George Sheldon, acting assistant secretary for the Administration for Children and Families.
“Many states report that their caseworkers are spending more time complying with federal documentation requirements than helping parents find jobs. We need state workers spending less time filling out data reports and more time helping parents find employment.”
What’s the real crime? Obama didn’t use the do nothing Republican led House of Representatives. He used his powers to act. Who honestly believes the Republicans would do anything that might give the President credit?
md
July 13th, 2012
4:22 pm
“Really? What’s the interest? Where is the mortgage? What are the payments? How do they enforce collection?
I’m all ears.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Treasury_security
China owns part of that 16 Trillion big black hole……….
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:23 pm
This is as fun as watching Jay trying to explain to all the far left wing nutcases that Romney left Bain in 99 and that so called “story” of him being there 3 (or is it 4) more years is a bunch of hooey and has no legs lol.
It’s funny on two levels. One is watching Jay defend Romney and the other is watching rock heads with an agenda and closed mind ramble on mindlessly like………. well here for example lol.
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
4:23 pm
Maybe we now know why Obama went to Harvard……it wasn’t to study law, it was to figure out ways around the law.
My Grandpa used to tell me a story about a man that he knew as a young man (early 20th century). The guy was going away to school, which almost nobody did in those days. My Grandpa said he asked him what he was going to school for. The man replied, “I’m going to learn how to beat people legal”. (And man did he ever learn but that’s another story for another day)
Looks like, these days, that’s been raised to an art form. On the bright side, it doesn’t look like lawyers will be contributing to the unemployment numbers, anytime soon.
the red herring
July 13th, 2012
4:24 pm
i have to give it to newt –he was spot on when he called obama the food stamp president. they even are advertising them in spanish now so as to get more hispanic votes. not only is he the food stamp president he’s the disability president as well. a large part of those people coming off of unemployment are seeking to qualify for disability—- each person approved should have to appear
before a panel of physicians with documentation of their disability. if found to be fraud they should be charged and the physician(s) that assisted them in the fraud should be charged as well.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:25 pm
yeah md……. and?
More fear and quaking
Thulsa Doom
July 13th, 2012
4:26 pm
Just like when he subordinated bond holders interests in GM to those of union interests in violation of federal law this potus has demonstrated that he simply does not care about the rule of law. IOU
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
4:26 pm
“i’m an independent.”
Yeah, Fred, and the Zapruder film proved that JFK shot first . . .
Thulsa Doom
July 13th, 2012
4:28 pm
Wholesale food costs rising. Just more negative news on the Obama economy. Nothing mews there.
md
July 13th, 2012
4:32 pm
“yeah md……. and?”
And what? You referring to the info you requested on China or the info I so graciously provided on s corps in case you are afoul of the law??
Streetracer
July 13th, 2012
4:33 pm
Tiberius (& others)
Just ignore people like Fred. Why go through the frustration of trying to teach a brick?
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
4:34 pm
each person approved should have to appear before a panel of physicians with documentation of their disability.
Actually, most of them have to appear before a judge, as it is now.
Kyle Wingfield
July 13th, 2012
4:35 pm
Darwin @ 4:22: Imagine that! An HHS official defending an HHS policy!
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
4:38 pm
Kyle @ 4:35
That is like posting a survey from a doctor’s group to prove a point about tort reform.
Joseph boyett
July 13th, 2012
4:41 pm
Sorry, Kyle. You are misinformed. Wavier will only be approved if they represent state experiments to more effectively meet the work-related goals of TANF. The memorandum says:
HHS is encouraging states to consider new, more effective ways to meet the goals of TANF, particularly helping parents successfully prepare for, find, and retain employment. Therefore, HHS is issuing this information memorandum to notify states of the Secretary’s willingness to exercise her waiver authority under section 1115 of the Social Security Act to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies, and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families.
States led the way on welfare reform in the 1990s — testing new approaches and learning what worked and what did not. The Secretary is interested in using her authority to approve waiver demonstrations to challenge states to engage in a new round of innovation that seeks to find more effective mechanisms for helping families succeed in employment. In providing for these demonstrations, HHS will hold states accountable by requiring both a federally-approved evaluation and interim performance targets that ensure an immediate focus on measurable outcomes. States must develop evaluation plans that are sufficient to evaluate the effect of the proposed approach in furthering a TANF purpose as well as interim targets the state commits to achieve. States that fail to meet interim outcome targets will be required to develop an improvement plan and can face termination of the waiver project.
The demonstration authority provided by section 1115 and sound evaluation of approved projects will provide valuable knowledge that will help lead to improvements in achieving the purposes of the TANF program.
The memorandum goes on to say:
While the TANF work participation requirements are contained in section 407, section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) requires that the state plan “[e]nsure that parents and caretakers receiving assistance under the program engage in work activities in accordance with section 407.” Thus, HHS has authority to waive compliance with this 402 requirement and authorize a state to test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407, including definitions of work activities and engagement, specified limitations, verification procedures, and the calculation of participation rates. As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.
You should read the actual memorandum before commenting.
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
4:41 pm
Yeah ignore Fred
Why would anyone from any side of the aisle want to take off the blinders? So much easier to feed at the ideological trough whether you are being fed truth or bs.
bhahahahahaha
bhahahahahahah
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
July 13th, 2012
4:42 pm
They BOTH suck, I will remind you (even if you wish to ignore reality once again), that the post also showed a Gallup poll at over 70% saying the EXACT SAME THING.
You lose, son, on every count.
Move on. Or admit you’re wrong again.
JDW
July 13th, 2012
4:45 pm
@Kyle…”Imagine that! An HHS official defending an HHS policy!”
Of course it couldn’t be Republicans going bonkers over a minor rules change requested by several states…could it…in an election year…nawwwwwwww
Cutty
July 13th, 2012
4:47 pm
Maybe if he held a signing statement, like Bush always did, Kyle’s batman undies wouldnt be in such a wad.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:52 pm
treetracer
July 13th, 2012
4:33 pm
Tiberius (& others)
Just ignore people like Fred. Why go through the frustration of trying to teach a brick?
++++++++++++++
You are right. You can’t teach me fear so I won’t be a cowering little fear mongering Republican.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
4:56 pm
md:I forget how old you are. Are you old enough to rmember all the fear mongering about the Japanese when THEY held a bunch of our treasuries?
So how did THAT turn out anyway?
Substitute Chinese for Japanese. Sorry, still not afraid.
Streetracer
July 13th, 2012
4:56 pm
Fred:
If you intend to address me, please spell my name right.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:00 pm
reetracer
July 13th, 2012
4:56 pm
Fred:
If you intend to address me, please spell my name right.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Noted
md
July 13th, 2012
5:00 pm
Not too sure what you are talking about Fred……you asked for info on China…..I graciously provided it for you…..and now I’m supposedly fear mongering……..
Interesting world you live in…….
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:01 pm
“Quite simply, this is illegal”
Wrong.
You should know by now it is not illegal when they do it.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:01 pm
And here is ANOTHER gaff by the Obama Administration………
http://www.thechicagodope.com/2010/11/11/cia-admits-drone-strike-killed-six-in-wisconsin-wedding-party/
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:02 pm
You gave me no info on China md. You linked a wiki page on treasuries.
td
July 13th, 2012
5:03 pm
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
3:47 pm
Have you ever been in a DFCS office? Have ever looked into the eyes of a generational Welfare client and seen total hopelessness? Until you have then you are the one blowing smoke my friend. Welfare reform was a hard fought battle between Clinton and Newt and has been one of the best reform programs in this country.
Without the consent of Congress, Obama has went back and turned a whole segment of the population into slaves of the state totally dependent on the government for their day to day lives.
If this is not the final straw of proving Obama is a socialist then I do not know what is. Everyone of you decent Democrats should be raising h3ll about this move.
albert
July 13th, 2012
5:03 pm
I don’t know what’s more tired and boring. BS columns like this or the empty ridiculous comments from the redneck confederates who post on this site….
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:04 pm
Everyone of you decent Democrats should be raising h3ll about this move.
First, I’m not a Democrat sport, and secondly, I’m not buying your fear mongering right wing radio distortion of what happened.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:05 pm
albert
July 13th, 2012
5:03 pm
I don’t know what’s more tired and boring. BS columns like this or the empty ridiculous comments from the redneck confederates who post on this site….
+++++++++++++++++++
My vote is yankee trolls like you.
Kyle Wingfield
July 13th, 2012
5:06 pm
Joseph boyett @ 4:41: I did read the memo. I find it hard to believe there is a more effective way of “meeting the work goals of TANF” than … keeping the work goals of TANF in place.
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:08 pm
Why don’t you come over and peel the tomatoes for the gazpacho md and we can argue this over some beers lol.
md
July 13th, 2012
5:12 pm
“You gave me no info on China md. You linked a wiki page on treasuries.”
Actually Fred, I provided 2 links….one on treasuries and one on China, but if you noticed, the wiki link also has info on China at the bottom…….
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:14 pm
carlosgvv: Kyle, you will be hypocritical if it’s suggested here that Republicans won’t do the same thing.
———————
Did Our President George W. Bush do it?
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:14 pm
I didn’t notice md. I don’t need to read wiki to know what a treasury is so I didn’t.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:15 pm
JDW: “George Sheldon, acting assistant secretary for the Administration for Children and Families, defends the changes to the law as giving states extra flexibility
———————-
I guess I missed the part of the Constitution that gives the administration the power to change the law.
Obozo: Totalitarian fascist.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:18 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm
Welfare is a bunch of white people sitting around collecting welfare while moaning and groaning about all the non-whites who are getting welfare.
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm
Welfare is a bunch of white people sitting around collecting welfare while moaning and groaning about all the non-whites who are getting welfare.
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm
Welfare is a bunch of white people sitting around collecting welfare while moaning and groaning about all the non-whites who are getting welfare.
Corporate welfare is a bunch of white, asians and hispanics walking around black shufflers to and from the breakroom while the shufflers who hate working for “the man” lay down every chance they get and let the team down because they are entitled to more pay for their laziness.
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:19 pm
Call me by name Criberius
I am not your son
You don’t own this blog, so stop with the faux alpha persona
You RICHARD
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:20 pm
Where’s my beeatch Kamchak, getalife? Did he change his handle??
Jefferson
July 13th, 2012
5:20 pm
I guess you did.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:21 pm
A few more actions like this and Kyle is going to let me start calling Obozo a scumbag again.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:23 pm
The,
Why would he change his handle?
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:24 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward–Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:21 pm
A few more actions like this and Kyle is going to let me start calling Obozo a scumbag again
Why be so kind to dictator? Tell all how you really feel.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:25 pm
“Obozo a scumbag again.”
Show some respect of the office.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:25 pm
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:23 pm
The,
Why would he change his handle?
The mother of all spankdowns in the Bookman column perhaps?
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:26 pm
The,
He is not a dictator.
We are not Syria.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:27 pm
The,
We ignore you.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:27 pm
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:25 pm
“Obozo a scumbag again.”
Show some respect of the office
Show some respect for the will of the people, who are unanimous against the individual mandate. Cons hate dictators, libs love them.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:30 pm
The,
He ran on ACA and won.
That was his mandate.
You lost and can’t get over it.
Time for you cons to grow up and follow Kyle’s rules.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:30 pm
Obozo should show some respect for the office.
Americans will clean up the fascist mess he’s made in November and eject the vermin from our White House.
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:30 pm
Oh my bad
I missed the T and hit a C………. son
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:32 pm
lil bar,
I thought you said he was a socialist.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:35 pm
“Cons hate dictators, libs love them.”
Tell that to daffy and assad.
Who got obl?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:36 pm
You understand that the fascist Nazis were the “national socialist” party, right? Fascists and socialists are two sides of the same coin. They’re both all about government control of the people.
Just like liberal fascist Obozo.
And you voted for it.
Michael H. Smith
July 13th, 2012
5:37 pm
Don’t you love these HACKS that rush to defend the indefensible actions of their PreZdent obumer, when you point them out Kyle?
If the election wasn’t close at hand the Republicans in the House should impeach this little want-to-be tyrant who thinks he is the law, not only that he is above the law he swore to uphold.
I king obumer don’t like this law so I king obumer will not enforce it… So there!
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:39 pm
The Gallup poll stated that a good percentage of doctors indicated that the practice preventive medicine
Gallup no where in that presentation backs up the 30% number within the Jackson Healthcare study
Keep trying
Wrong again
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:39 pm
Assad? Is that the guy Obozo has allowed to murder 10,000 or more of his own citizens?
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:40 pm
lil bar,
You lie.
He is a moderate capitalist like President Clinton and uses his team.
Fact.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:43 pm
getalife, you’re always good for a laugh!
Obozo is campaigning against capitalism. That approach (and this move to eliminate work requirements) works very well with high welfare-hound base.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:43 pm
lil bar,
Engaging in a civil war in Syria ?
Sounds like something the gop would do.
md
July 13th, 2012
5:43 pm
“Show some respect of the office.”
Respect is earned, not given.
Unilaterally deciding what laws are constitutional and what laws should be enforced gets no respect from me…..and I don’t care who the President is. All our representatives swear to uphold their end of the deal when they take the job, and this one isn’t……….there are 3 branches of gov’t for a reason, when he starts showing some respect for the other 2 then maybe he could get some for himself……..
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:43 pm
“high” should be “his”
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:44 pm
lil bear,
“Obozo is campaigning against capitalism”
Prove it.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:45 pm
md,
w did it all the time and you cheered him on.
Why the flip flop?
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward--Again)
July 13th, 2012
5:47 pm
getalife: you cheered him on
——————-
Prove it.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:47 pm
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:35 pm
“Cons hate dictators, libs love them.”
Tell that to daffy and assad.
Who got obl?
Bush got OBL, and khadaffi. Nice work. Check out what the libyan government did for its people under Ghadaffi.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179012
Isn’t this what you libs long for getalife??
How Inciteful Is That!
July 13th, 2012
5:48 pm
Wow! The things some people will do. I’ve heard that some Congressmen have even gone so far as to threaten not to fund laws on the books in order to have theings their own way. Can you imagine.
Michael H. Smith
July 13th, 2012
5:49 pm
‘Cuse me for asking but when exactly did Willaim Jefferson Clinton ever “speak brazenly” of “redistrubeting wealth” as obumer has on many many occassion that parrallels the mantra of Karl Marx?
Clinton was a liberal and likely socialist leaning in many ways but he was never then, or to this day, half the hard core inflexable idologue that this obumer is and always has been.
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:49 pm
David Icke
The man who believes in reptile people.
hahahahaha
Next you will post and Alex Jones link
antinewt
July 13th, 2012
5:50 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/mitt-romney-welfare-change_n_1672173.html
I wonder if Kyle ever is embarrassed at how quickly he cries wolf only to find later details that show the reality to be quite the contrary. No doubt this whole faux outrage by the right is an attempt to change the subject from the bloodying Romney is getting over his Bain misrepresentations.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:50 pm
If you can’t prove it, don’t type it.
The is a liar.
ld
July 13th, 2012
5:51 pm
It seems everyone is unhappy w/what some part of government has been doing–would like to defund some part of government.
Now would be a good time to trim all the branches of government. Have Congress begin with last year’s budget bill(s)–each of them in turn, presume that, unless deleted, each item will be in the next year’s budget–nothing will be added by either party–no arguments on any line of the budget will allowed and no amendments will be allowed. Congress will begin at six o’clock on a Monday morning and have no breaks or recess until the process is complete. Begin with the first line of the last set of budget bills and then go line by line with a roll call vote which will be published online for public purusal. Every line must be voted on up or down in order it appeared on the last budget.
Only after all the cuts are decided can any additional spending be considered and each proposed bill will be addressed line by line in the same manner.
THEN attack the ENTIRE current US tax code in the same manner.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 13th, 2012
5:52 pm
Fred ™
July 13th, 2012
5:01 pm
And here is ANOTHER gaff by the Obama Administration………
http://www.thechicagodope.com/2010/11/11/cia-admits-drone-strike-killed-six-in-wisconsin-wedding-party/
Fred — that’s a fake site.
Please tell me you didn’t take that seriously.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:52 pm
Yes, the gop are desperately trying to get off bain and corporate media does.
md
July 13th, 2012
5:52 pm
“I’ve heard that some Congressmen have even gone so far as to threaten not to fund laws on the books in order to have theings their own way.”
In case one isn’t aware, funding is a sole function of Congress…….as is writing and changing legislation.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:54 pm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110401093127AAUlmw9
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:49 pm
David Icke
They Both and U. Is this a more credible source BUDDY??
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:55 pm
Kam,
I am not sure he can tell the difference
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:57 pm
The
David Icke the reptilian people man………. ok
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
5:58 pm
getalife
July 13th, 2012
5:50 pm
If you can’t prove it, don’t type it.
The is a liar.
You are clueless. Change your handle to getaclue, Obama pillow biter.
Cutty
July 13th, 2012
5:58 pm
Kyle and the rest of you Cons would have a better argument if Utah and Nevada, two republican states, hadn’t requested the same waiver you all are claiming broke the law. Silly Cons, tricks are for kids.
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctIpUmJjkAs
Good ole David. Prince’s man.
Oh yeah, he is very credible
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
6:01 pm
If you can’t prove it, don’t type it.
That would kill the comments section on practically every blog in existence.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
6:03 pm
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
5:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctIpUmJjkAs
Good ole David. Prince’s man.
Oh yeah, he is very credible
More credible than you. Care to respond to the Yahoo link? Thought not. Nice of Obumbler to support the coalition with drones. What a spine.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
6:05 pm
willard flubs cnn interview.
Not ready for prime time.
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
6:05 pm
The
It is ok if you follow a guy who believe in reptile people.
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
6:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAGTJErVNBU
getalife
July 13th, 2012
6:08 pm
willard still hiding tax returns.
Definitely hiding something.
How Inciteful Is That!
July 13th, 2012
6:11 pm
In case one isn’t aware, funding is a sole function of Congress…….as is writing and changing legislation.
Does Congress have the freedom to decide which laws, legally requiring funding, to fund. Please, make us aware of the law.
albert
July 13th, 2012
6:13 pm
“My vote is yankee trolls like you”
You don’t know why I am, but it’s very clear that you are one of the confederate rednecks that I mentioned.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 13th, 2012
6:13 pm
They Both, here”s another link.
http://moraloutrage.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/facts-about-libya-under-gaddafi-that-you-probably-did-not-know/
Bury your head in the sand gerbil lover. Obama ruined this for these people.
getalife
July 13th, 2012
6:16 pm
“Dem Governor: McCain Saw Romney’s Tax Files – And Chose Palin”
Sheets!
They BOTH suck
July 13th, 2012
6:18 pm
Ok David Icke fan club President
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
6:22 pm
You don’t know why I am, but it’s very clear that you are one of the confederate rednecks that I mentioned.
Well at least you aren’t bigoted, I guess.
md
July 13th, 2012
6:30 pm
“Does Congress have the freedom to decide which laws, legally requiring funding, to fund. Please, make us aware of the law.”
Congress controls the purse……..and since they write the laws, one would think they have the tools to change them.
No matter what, the President doesn’t have either authority.
Nordlaw
July 13th, 2012
6:32 pm
Why are you guys wasting time replying to Freds post! He playing you guys. Stop replying to Fred’s Post. I G N O R E F R E D!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 13th, 2012
6:33 pm
obozo belongs in a cage.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 13th, 2012
6:34 pm
We don’t have a president, you stand corrected.
How Inciteful Is That!
July 13th, 2012
6:35 pm
Congress controls the purse……..and since they write the laws, one would think they have the tools to change them.
One can think many things but that hardly makes it law now does it. And of course Congress is free to rewrite the law such that it is no longer funded and see if the President will sign it into law but that is not what you suggested in your earlier post, now is it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 13th, 2012
6:35 pm
Hillbilly D
Are you familiar with the practice of “hilling” corn?
td
July 13th, 2012
6:35 pm
I can not believe that there are actual people (even behind an anonymous screen name) willing to condone turning our citizens back into slaves of the state. Childhood poverty rates decreased more then anytime in history since the welfare reform bill of 1996 and now there are people actually wanting people to go back into poverty.
On a good note this will reduce the amount of abortions in the country now because all these women will know if I pop out another baby then I will get a raise for 18 years.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 13th, 2012
6:40 pm
Obama’s given his opponents a huge opportunity to raise the “welfare” issue, to associate him with the unpopular idea of subsidizing women who have children they can’t support, usually out of wedlock–even giving them free community college training that hard-working people who don’t go on welfare can’t get! The GOPs don’t even have to move their heads into the 21st century by calling Obama the “food stamp President.” They can dust off their attacks on the old, hated AFDC program–the welfare part of the welfare state.
obozo brought back the welfare queen.
How Inciteful Is That!
July 13th, 2012
6:41 pm
The highlights of the latest survey, for the year 2010, show that 15.75 million children lived in poverty and that more than 1.1 million children had been added to the total between 2009 and 2010.
Where do you get your data, td.
How Inciteful Is That!
July 13th, 2012
6:44 pm
The goals of the TANF program, as stated by the U.S. Department of Health and Human
Services, are:
1. Assisting needy families so that children can be cared for in their own homes.
2. Reducing the dependency of needy parents by promoting job preparation, work and
marriage.
3. Preventing out-of-wedlock pregnancies.
4. Encouraging the formation and maintenance of two -parent families.
If only Kyle would present data showing us how well the 1996 reform has worked with regard to its goals using some appropriate metrics.
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
6:48 pm
Kamchak
Yes I am. Got a question?
md
July 13th, 2012
6:48 pm
“And of course Congress is free to rewrite the law such that it is no longer funded and see if the President will sign it into law but that is not what you suggested in your earlier post, now is it.”
Why don’t you refresh my memory of what you think I posted and we’ll start again…..
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
6:54 pm
Enter your comments here
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
6:55 pm
My 6:54 is probably my most coherent post of the day.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 13th, 2012
6:58 pm
Hillbilly D
I planted kandy corn this year and last, and I’m having trouble with it blowing over. It seems that the sweeter varieties are susceptible to what is known as lodging, or falling down. Does this practice work ( I realize this is a procedure for next year), and can I mound dirt around the stalks that I’ve already planted this year that are falling over?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 13th, 2012
7:04 pm
Kamchak- Mound dirt around them, water well.
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
7:05 pm
Kamchak
Yes, in my opinion, corn always needs to be hilled. I’d usually try to do it by the time the stalks get a foot tall or a little before. If you wait too long, the corn roots will have run out into the middles and you’ll be digging up roots, trying to hill. If you have a tractor, you can just go down each side of the row and throw the dirt up (be careful, though, it’s awful easy to knock the stalks down). If you don’t have a tractor, a hoe works just fine. Don’t know if you’ve ever noticed but a full grown stalk usually has roots from the bottom of the stalk, right on top of the ground, so it needs all the help it can get.
Don’t know if it will help stalks that you have this year but if I were you, since you already have some blowing over, I’d view as having nothing to lose by trying it. Just be careful and don’t dig up the roots.
If you’ve ever hilled potatoes, it’s basically the same principle.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 13th, 2012
7:06 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin… — thank you.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 13th, 2012
7:14 pm
Hillbilly D
No, I’ve never hilled potatoes. From what I’ve read online you start by planting in a trench, and add dirt as they grow getting level with the garden. And yeah I figured about that nothing to lose, it’s just that being new to this I hate losing even one plant.
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
7:19 pm
Kamchak
I usually don’t like to plant most things in deep furrows. If you get a heavy rain at the wrong time, it can drown your seeds before they come up, or in the case of potatoes, cause the eyes to rot. This stuff is live and learn. And you’ll eventually get a fatalistic view of losing some stuff. You’re at the mercy of a lot things that you can’t control, the weather being the main one. It’s been so dry, most of my corn is firing off without even putting ears on.
You may have already done it but I’d pick the brains of the local old-timers. They’ll know what works in your area better than anybody. The ideal situation is if you can get 2 or 3 of them talking. Just stand back and listen.
I been doing this stuff since I was a kid (my forced labor days
) and I still learn stuff all the time.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 13th, 2012
7:36 pm
Hillbilly D
According to my seed and feed guy, I’m to side dress the corn twice — first when it’s ankle high, then again when it’s chest high. I’m now due for the second dressing and I’m wondering what I can do to save my corn. I’ve also read some accounts where people say just leave it alone and it’ll straighten out on it’s own and some of the least damaged has done just that.
Up here we’ve been blessed with an abundance of rain following those record heat days, and it’s too muddy to even get in the gardens. I’ve got beans that really need picking right now.
How Inciteful Is That!
July 13th, 2012
7:38 pm
Why don’t you refresh my memory of what you think I posted and we’ll start again…..
Do you have difficulty backing up to your original reply to one of my earlier posts?
Hillbilly D
July 13th, 2012
7:43 pm
Kamchak
I try to side dress more than that but the land I’m on has been farmed off and on, for probably 100 years, so you probably have better soil. Corn is what they call a heavy feeder. The problem with side dressing is if it turns off dry, then it can do more harm than good but sounds like your soil is good and moist, so probably not a problem.
We went about 3 weeks without rain (although it rained all around me) but have gotten good rains the last 2-3 days. So my garden is hurting bad but I’m hoping it’ll bounce back, somewhat.
You get more rain in your neck of the woods than we do down here, although we get quite a bit more than the Atlanta area.
It’s a lot of work but it sure do taste good at the supper table, not like that stuff in the store.
md
July 13th, 2012
7:43 pm
“Do you have difficulty backing up to your original reply to one of my earlier posts?”
Not at all, but what you think I mean and what I mean may be two entirely different things…..so clarify for me what you think I’m referring to.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 13th, 2012
7:57 pm
Hillbilly D
Thanks a lot.
Have a good evening.
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July 13th, 2012
8:03 pm
Another late one at the Urinal?
ODD OWL
July 13th, 2012
10:32 pm
Mittens Romney and the Repuklicans are attempting to “swiftboat” President Obama… They scape goat and blame him for what Bush/Cheney screwed up… Repuklicans are cronic projectors… The Romney Repuklicans and their rich, elite Koch Bros. type benefactors who fund them, see nothing wrong with feeding from the public trough and welfare for the rich… But God forbid that a dollar from the Government goes to poor, needy Americans who deserve to be helped until they can get back on their feet… Shame on the Romney Repuklicans…
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 14th, 2012
6:18 am
ODD OWL: Repuklicans…scape goat and blame [Obozo] for what Bush/Cheney screwed up
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Our President Bush and Our Vice President Cheney didn’t rewrite welfare reform laws. They didn’t rewrite immigration laws. They never once proposed or ran a trillion-dollar deficit. They didn’t impoverish record numbers of Americans to the tune of 47 million on food stamps. They didn’t add 5 trillion to the national debt, though they served twice as long as Obozo. They didn’t pass an economy-wrecking fascist government takeover of health care. They didn’t create a panel of bureaucrats to determine which Medicare recipients would live and which would die.
Cronic projector? Still you.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 14th, 2012
6:28 am
How Inciteful Is That!: Does Congress have the freedom to decide which laws, legally requiring funding, to fund. Please, make us aware of the law.
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Yes. The law in question is called the “U.S. Constitution” which gives the power of the purse to Congress. You may have heard of it, unless perhaps you went to public schools.
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
July 14th, 2012
6:35 am
What’s wrong with expecting welfare recipients to work in exchange for the money they are taking from people who earned it?
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July 15th, 2012
2:00 pm
test-
“As the failures of his presidency become more evident, Barack Obama has resorted to the tactics of a typical politician: said Amanda Hennenberg, a Romney campaign spokeswoman.
Well, what else could obozo talk about, the Stimulus?
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July 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
test-
dishonest and totally unsubstantiated attacks meant to distract from his ,”
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July 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
test-
“As the failures of his presidency become more evident, Barack Obama has resorted to the tactics of a typical politician: dishonest and totally unsubstantiated attacks meant to distract from his own record by sm-ear-ing the rep-uta-tion of his opponent,” said Amanda Hennenberg, a Romney campaign spokeswoman.
Well, what else could obozo talk about, the Stimulus?
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