Democrats show their penchant for economic inefficiency in — wait for it — their fund-raising emails

Democrats say they’re worried about Mitt Romney’s fund-raising edge. President Obama himself has mentioned the possibility he’ll be the first incumbent president outspent by his opponent. It turns out there’s a simple explanation.

On Friday night, the Romney campaign sent an email about the Supreme Court’s Obamacare ruling (subject line: “If you haven’t heard”) that concluded:

This November it’s all on the line. The stakes couldn’t be higher.

Donate $10 or more to put a stop to the policies of Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.

Then, about an hour and a half later, DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz sent an email of her own about the ruling (subject line: “This is personal”) imploring supporters:

This law is far too important to too many Americans for Republicans to throw it out.

Give Democrats the resources we need to win and protect this historic achievement — and the lives of millions of Americans. Donate $3 or more today

Silly Democrats. If you want as much money as the Republicans, just ask for it! Besides raising more money, it might help you avoid being in the awkward position of pledging to your supporters, in your third email within 24 hours (subject line: “Let’s make a deal on this email thing”) that you’re just about to shut up:

Friend –

I like sending you emails on Saturdays about as much as you probably like receiving them.

But I’m doing it because the stakes this year are so incredibly high. Your help could be part of what makes or breaks races for Democrats across the country. No joke. That’s the difference your support can make.

So let’s make a deal:

You pitch in $3, or really whatever you can, before our critical FEC fundraising deadline tonight to help those Democrats out: [URL deleted]

And I promise you, this will be the last email you get from me today.

Enjoy your weekend — and thank you, ever so much.

Debbie

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254 comments Add your comment

td

July 2nd, 2012
10:34 am

And much money did the Republicans vs. the Democrats raise since the decision last week?

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
10:34 am

md

July 2nd, 2012
10:34 am

Maybe more would send in donations if they weren’t hoarding it in anticipation of higher hc premiums……they best be saving it as the hammer comes down in the next few years. Ga has a 300 million shortfall in Medicaid, and that is without adding the massive amount of newbies called for by the aca……..cuts coming in what??

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
10:36 am

Desperation on the Dems part. Just wait until these $3 folks find out 75% of the taxes in Oblamercare is targeted to them.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
10:38 am

@td…”And much money did the Republicans vs. the Democrats raise since the decision last week?”

Depends on who you ask. Republicans gave a $4.2 million number and the Obama campaign noted that it was somewhat unseemly to publish daily fund raising scores and they wouldn’t join in. However they did note that their totals were somewhat higher.

We will know when the next round of disclosures is published.

md

July 2nd, 2012
10:42 am

“Unemployment in the 17-country euro currency bloc hit another record in May as the crippling financial crisis pushed the continent toward the brink of recession, official figures showed Monday.”

And the dems want to be more like them??

I know where I’m sending my donations……..and I have issues with both parties, but the one on the left is taking us down the wrong path.

southpaw

July 2nd, 2012
10:43 am

Maybe I should be glad I don’t check my e-mail that regularly. I do get robo-calls from the Romney campaign every so often, but so far nothing from the Obama campaign. Kyle, any idea where the RNC and DNC got their e-mailing lists, or what groups of people are on them? Maybe my status as an INDEPENDENT conservative voter is saving me some junk e-mails.

Road Scholar

July 2nd, 2012
10:46 am

md: “Maybe more would send in donations if they weren’t hoarding it in anticipation of higher hc premiums……”

Poor baby! Shoot most people will waste $3 on the lottery, cigarettes, booze,.. Hoarding? Yeah right!

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
10:47 am

@Rafe…”Just wait until these $3 folks find out 75% of the taxes in Oblamercare is targeted to them.”

Which of course…its not.

More than 3/4’s of the taxes will come from those making $100K plus.

Road Scholar

July 2nd, 2012
10:49 am

Kyle, how do you feel about PACS? I think they should be outlawed. The corporate America buying of America.

Real Athens

July 2nd, 2012
10:49 am

… and columnists show their penchant for farcical and childish witticisms in — wait for it — their columns.

St Simons - we're on Island time, mon

July 2nd, 2012
10:49 am

hey, thanks for publishing this in a national blog, man.
That reminded us. We just sent him & Debbie some more.

Money is speech.
Corporations are people.
Money is people.
People are money.
One dollar = one vote
thank you for visiting planet kolob.
to return to ‘merka, press “home” on your keyboard.
there’s a crew cleaning up the mess there right now.

JohnnyReb

July 2nd, 2012
10:51 am

The Democrats whole approach to fund raising and Citizens United show how contorted their thought process.

They find it absolutely unacceptable that people with money would spend large sums of it to keep Democrats from using the government to force away more of it.

Apparently, any amount more than they have is unacceptable and should be spread to all.

I keep asking who they think would pay for entitlements if not their hated 1%, but it gets really quite afterward.

Kyle Wingfield

July 2nd, 2012
10:54 am

southpaw @ 10:43: I believe you get them if you sign up for them.

clyde

July 2nd, 2012
10:55 am

I wish $10 was the only cost associated with Obamacare.

Chip

July 2nd, 2012
10:57 am

JDW — are you deliberately lying, or are you just delusional and stupid? Obamacare will break the backs of middle-and-lower class Americans. 75% of the cost WILL land on such people. Do your homework, you moron.

Steve

July 2nd, 2012
10:57 am

Obamacare only affects deadbeats who won’t buy insurance. This has been thoroughly debunked as a “tax.”

ragnar danneskjold

July 2nd, 2012
11:01 am

Leftist fund-raising letters always sound like a whine. Time for the voters to give them something to whine about.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
11:01 am

md, you are in it with those folks too.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
11:07 am

In fact, we are all in it together. American society.

barking frog

July 2nd, 2012
11:07 am

The SCOTUS thought
Citizens United was
Citizens Untied and
p e n a l t y spelled tax.

ByteMe

July 2nd, 2012
11:08 am

JDW — are you deliberately lying, or are you just delusional and stupid? Obamacare will break the backs of middle-and-lower class Americans. 75% of the cost WILL land on such people. Do your homework, you moron.

Love them personal attacks you let people do here, Kyle?

As for the topic at hand: silly. Nothing interesting happen this weekend or just on deadline? I was at the pool most of the weekend with the kids. Did “news” happen while I was away? :)

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:08 am

@Chip…”Do your homework, you moron”

I believe it is you that has not done thier homework….even the Heritage Foundation can add and subtract.

$4.3 billion in estimated tax collections….$3.3 from those making $100K plus…

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
11:10 am

Best use of tax money is to spend it, beware of those who want to rip off the gov’t and overcharge.

Kyle Wingfield

July 2nd, 2012
11:11 am

Chip: We can do without the “stupid” and “moron” kind of language.

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:12 am

“Poor baby! Shoot most people will waste $3 on the lottery, cigarettes, booze,.. Hoarding? Yeah right!”

It was a tongue in cheek comment……we all know you are right, they will waste it……but if they had a clue what was coming they would be hoarding it…………

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:13 am

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:13 am

“$4.3 billion in estimated tax collections….$3.3 from those making $100K plus…”

I think you missed a few of the income sources……you may want to google them…..4 billion won’t pay for the band-aids…………

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:14 am

@Kyle…why thank you. Did you have a good weekend…it was a bit warm out there!

@@

July 2nd, 2012
11:16 am

I liked the call from Obama, hisself.

And now I’m the incumbent president. I’ve got gray hair Send money for the Grecian Formula.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/30/exclusive-president-obama-asks-campaign-donors-to-send-him-more-money.html

schnirt

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:16 am

@md…”I think you missed a few of the income sources”

Those numbers are just the Indivdual Mandate collections from the CBO…those are the most complete numbers I have found so far. If you have some more from credible sources I would be happy to check them out.

Mr. Holmes

July 2nd, 2012
11:17 am

Kyle, not sure whether you write your own headlines, but in this editor’s estimation you need to give the ” … wait for it … ” phrase a rest for a while. You use that one in every post, seems like.

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:17 am

JDW…..that link only shows the tax penalty……not the actual taxes that will be used to pay for the entitlements………….

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
11:19 am

Lordy, a 2 year old law — this is nothing new, so why all the fake concern now ? Gov. Deal should be planning for the implementation, hopefully better than he manages money…

Darwin

July 2nd, 2012
11:20 am

I was for Romneycare before I was against Obamacare.

Pizzaman

July 2nd, 2012
11:20 am

As a registered Independent my vote can be bought by either side. But before I give either side my vote I have to know: what do you plan to replace the ACA with? No Republican yet has said. I hear “repeal and replace” all the time but the only action has been to repeal. What are the replacement facts? And remember folks: vote early, vote often!

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:20 am

$86 Billion: Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
$65 Billion: Individual Mandate Excise Tax and Employer Mandate Tax
$60.1 Billion: Tax on Health Insurers imposed on health insurance premiums collected
$32 Billion: Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
$23.6 Billion: “Black liquor” tax hike on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105
$22.2 Billion: Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Took effect in 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980
$20 Billion: Tax on Medical Devices
$15.2 Billion: High Medical Bills Tax
$13.2 Billion: Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”
$5 Billion: Medicine Cabinet Tax
$4.5 Billion: Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage
$4.5 Billion: Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”
$2.7 Billion: Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
$1.4 Billion: HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
$0.6 Billion: $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives
$0.4 Billion: Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:23 am

@md..yes I know…here is a bit from Smart Money…

http://www.smartmoney.com/taxes/income/what-obamacare-may-mean-for-taxes-1335896160486/

Looks like the biggest fund raisers are Medicare and Capital Gains taxes on incomes over 200K. Not taxes that will impact the Middle Class.

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:23 am

“I was for Romneycare before I was against Obamacare.”

Might be wise to learn the difference between a state and a nation………..

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
11:24 am

JDW

Wrong once again.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/30/wsj-chief-economist-75-of-obamacare-costs-will-fall-on-backs-of-those-making-less-than-120k-a-year/

WSJ CHIEF ECONOMIST: 75% OF OBAMACARE COSTS WILL FALL ON BACKS OF THOSE MAKING LESS THAN $120K A YEAR

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:26 am

@md…a nice list…where did the numbers come from? As I have said, and what started this whole thread is that the taxes are not targeted at the Middle Class…they still have $3 left to support the President.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
11:27 am

I just hope they put Ryan on the GOP ticket, he’s a nice en’.

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:28 am

“Not taxes that will impact the Middle Class.”

You need to look at that list again…..just about all of them will come from the middle class…….don’t make the mistake of thinking the consumer is not the one paying for them, as we are.

Hsa? Over the counter drugs? Premiums to providers? Tanning beds? Medical devices? FSA cap?

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
11:32 am

I dunno, I think the GOP is the ones worried, now they feel the increased need to BUY someting…why else would they give their easily given money away.

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:34 am

“@md…a nice list…where did the numbers come from?”

Google……I would recommend doing your own research, that way one can’t say it came from so and so and poo poo any sources. It’s all out there.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
11:34 am

Jefferson

I can tell you what the GOP wants to buy…………………………………………………financial solvency for the good ole USA.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
11:36 am

Kyle

How much of a bump has Romney received in the polls, especially in the swing states?

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:37 am

@Rafe…”WSJ CHIEF ECONOMIST: 75% OF OBAMACARE COSTS WILL FALL ON BACKS OF THOSE MAKING LESS THAN $120K A YEAR”

His OPINON is not supported by the DATA which has been published by the CBO. It is also worth noting that I have seen no published material in the WSJ that supports the claim of Mr. Moore a writer (not chief economist).

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
11:38 am

How many companies have announced that they are dropping their health care benefit?

What is the avg size in terms of employees of these companies?

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
11:38 am

Rafe, I might have belived you but last time they had the complete US gov’t they did not do that. Why do you belive they changed ? I have yet to see any plan from them that is workable.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
11:39 am

How has the stock market reacted to the announcement on Thursday?

I know June was the largest increase since 97, but not sure about Thursday and Friday of last week in terms of the numbers?

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:39 am

To those in favor of adding this giant entitlement program, would you mind informing me of what the next step is in reducing our debt problems. I’m just curious how someone that likes the idea of spending so much plans to move forward.

cbo says this bill will cost 1.7 trillion over ten years (they are usually on the low side with their estimates)……we have 16 trillion in current debt……and we are currently spending 1.5 trillion a year that we don’t have……..in light of what is happening in the EU, what is the plan?? What gets cut??

And for the fun of it, let’s not count on any increase from the economy, because that’s not a given…..the debt is definitely a given…………..

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
11:41 am

md

Republicans in the House can close the check book at anytime that the notion strikes them?

Takes two to tango and both Parties are not doing well with the debt.

Kyle Wingfield

July 2nd, 2012
11:42 am

Mr. Holmes @ 11:17: I have a bad habit of letting an unusual word of phrase slip into my writing too frequently. Often I catch it in the editing process, but with this one I may have been — wait for it — a bit sloppy.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
11:43 am

Kyle

Long way to go but if Obama does win, but he is out raised in terms of funds, will you write an article about that?

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
11:44 am

@md…”Might be wise to learn the difference between a state and a nation”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DrH6P9OC0

Listen to him talk…he really doesn’t distinguish.

iggy

July 2nd, 2012
11:51 am

Wasserman is delusional.

md

July 2nd, 2012
11:57 am

“Republicans in the House can close the check book at anytime that the notion strikes them?”

I believe they have been trying to stick to paying for whatever they spend as they go with reductions elsewhere. Isn’t that the idea of paygo…..that program that was passed with tons of fanfare and then put in the bottom drawer?

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
11:58 am

Enter your comments here

md

July 2nd, 2012
12:00 pm

Personally JDW, the mandate doesn’t bother me near as bad as the entitlements do……..at least the one does have an element of personal responsibility……….

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
12:06 pm

md, cut spending and raise taxes. Shift spending to cover government obligations,1st.

md

July 2nd, 2012
12:16 pm

“md, cut spending and raise taxes.”

And there in lies a problem, as neither party wants to raise taxes……and the piddly amount from just the “rich” doesn’t solve our problem……

Next??

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
12:27 pm

A nice little summary of the “penalty” tax that can be collected under Obamacare:

So, basically, you’re looking at penalties of approximately the following at the following income levels:

Less than $9,500 income = $0
$9,500 – $37,000 income = $695
$50,000 income = $1,000
$75,000 income = $1,600
$100,000 income = $2,250
$125,000 income = $2,900
$150,000 income = $3,500
$175,000 income = $4,100
$200,000 income = $4,700
Over $200,000 = The cost of a “bronze” health-insurance plan

The IRS will collect the penalty-tax, a fact that will no doubt further enrage those who hate Obamacare.

But here’s some more good news for those folks:

The IRS will not have the power to charge you criminally or seize your assets if you refuse to pay. The IRS will only have the ability to sue you. And the most the IRS can collect from you if it wins the suit is 2X the amount you owe. So if you want to thumb your nose at the penalty-tax, the IRS won’t be able to do as much to you as they could if you refused to pay, say, income tax.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-is-the-obamacare-penalty-tax-2012-7#ixzz1zTzvrCTd

So, tell us you chowderheaded liberals out there, why should anyone buy a healthcare plan that will cost upwards of $12,000 per year if the biggest tax penalty they are going to be assessed is $4,700 bucks for being uninsured?

Oh, and find us a adequate healthcare plan that is LESS than $12k per year before you go any further.

Thanks in advance for NOT playing.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
12:30 pm

I am not sure about the Democrats and their fund raising but it seems somewhat infantile. Send $3.00? How ’bout postage stamps or something. OH well.

The front page of Sunday’s AJC had some discomforting facts about ObamaCare policies. For Georgia to follow their directive of the moment, 650,000 more people would be added to Medicaid. Since Medicaid is funded by the STATE and is already overburdened and underfinanced, how can a state adjust to such figures? As some who work with Medicaid & hospitals say “It will push us over the cliff!”.

Another quote about Medicaid from state senator Renee Untermann, who heads the Senate’s Health & Human Services Committee: “There’s no way we can accept more patients.” Georgia is already facing a $300 million Medicaid shortfall this fiscal year.

Why doesn’tt governor Deal go ahead and sign up for this policy? BECAUSE the state will have to pay an additional 4.5 BILLION over ten years. It will come from you the taxpayer. A stipend from the Fed which is promised? It will be paid by you the taxpayer. That’s the government throwing your money into an uncontrollable wind it created.

So, if we do not go ahead with a policy that is impossible to fund. the same poor people without insurnace will still be without insurance UNLESS they go through a jig saw ;puzzle of regulations, agencies, policies and who knows what. Poor people are NOT going to get FREE medical care.

I believe that many who like ObamaCare do not realize that sad fact.

Thulsa Doom

July 2nd, 2012
12:43 pm

Democrats aren’t very bright? No surprise there…

Debbie Watcherman Schittz

July 2nd, 2012
12:47 pm

Not enough of you responded to my Saturday emailings, so I’ve decided to rake the blogs for cash. I know we just stuck it to the middle class, many of you swing voters. But if you would just open up your children’s piggy banks and send the money in, you can help the Democrats retain power. We have ideas for equalization of private pension plans that need to be funded.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
12:50 pm

Oh well, you don’t like the answer.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
12:52 pm

Dusty, blame the cost on the providers, not the payers.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
12:54 pm

Kyle,

Your “Editorial board’s Opinion” gave me a good laugh yesterday. After pages and pages of tryinig to clear the Obamacare fog for the poor peasants, the board was all for GO AHEAD by state leaders to line us up for even bigger debts and federal handholding. Then they smugly added that they just wanted to “find a better way than the present path of paying more for less when it comes to health care ‘

Oh yes, a better way! Add trillions more every year to the country’s unbelievable debt and that will make us feel “healthy, wealthy and wise”. Thank you, editorial board. Just put an Obama sticker on it next time and we will know how you feel.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
12:54 pm

Jefferson, please list for us 5 prominent Democrat elected officials in either the House or Senate and their specific budget cuts in programs responsible for the majority of our $1.5 trillion/year deficit.

md

July 2nd, 2012
12:57 pm

“Oh well, you don’t like the answer.”

May as well said Santa was going to pay it for us…….neither solves the problem.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
12:58 pm

That is the only solution, md.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm

T, you name em’. I don’t have time for your bs.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
1:05 pm

“I don’t have time for your bs.”

Jefferson-speak for “I got caught making another unsupportable statement by Tiberius”.

What’s the matter, fella? Don’t like to be called out on your nonsensical posts?

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm

Jefferson, You said that “providers run up the cost, not the patients”.

The healthcare you get now is top of the line. The next Obamacare “healthcare”" you get will be assembly line medicine with an aspirin here and an bandaid there with diet & exercise instructions. But YOU WILL HAVE HEALTHCARE at a lower cost!!

You won’t see many doctors but mostly associates, assistants, short trained nurses, aides and secretaries. And you willl pay for it one way or another.

Enjoy!

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm

Dusty I get what you get, paying is the american way.

md

July 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm

“That is the only solution, md.”

Think it may have been a good idea to hold off on adding another giant program until we could get a handle on the ones we already couldn’t afford…….

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm

“paying is the american way.”

Paying for something you never take advantage of is NOT the American way.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm

T, you make crap up – everyone knows it. I didn’t say crap about anyone in the congress, and I not trying to make any points. Get over yourself.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
1:13 pm

md, too late its done.

Thulsa Doom

July 2nd, 2012
1:15 pm

Yep. The Sunday article on Medicaid is interesting. We are broke broke broke and yet the Feds want to add even more Medicaid costs. Sheesh.

carlosgvv

July 2nd, 2012
1:15 pm

Silly Democrats, if you want as much money as the Republicans, just sell yourselves to Big Business as the cons have already done.

Jefferson

July 2nd, 2012
1:16 pm

The US is not broke, there is revenue to be enhanced and spending to prioritize. What is needed is cooperation in reality.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm

Jefferson, the first thing you said is cut spending and increase taxes.

OK, fine. Who in your party of Democrats in a prominent position has recommended SPECIFIC spending cuts on the programs that are responsible for the largest part of our deficit spending?

Just give me 5 names and their recommended cuts, Jefferson.

If not, you prove once again that you don’t know what you’re talking about, and prove that the Democrats don’t really have a plan to cut – just tax.

I’m all for cutting spending FIRST, to see if Congress can actually do the hard work, but not one dime of increased taxes until serious and meaningful cuts are made.

md

July 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm

“The next Obamacare “healthcare”” you get will be assembly line medicine with an aspirin here and an bandaid there with diet & exercise instructions.”

There won’t be any “instructions” Dusty, there will be more “taxes”. As our benevolent masters have now voted themselves the keepers of the masses, folks best wake up if they think tanning beds and cigarettes are the only vices that cause hc costs to go up…….when the masters are done, I’m betting there won’t be too many vices not taxed…….

Want a twinkie? – that will be $20……want a biggie soda……..too bad.

Obesity and heart disease are the number 1 killer…….they are on the radar of our benevolent masters, count on it.

Debbie Watcherman Schittz

July 2nd, 2012
1:20 pm

md

July 2nd, 2012
1:20 pm

“md, too late its done.”

I disagree……Romney wins and it’s history……if he doesn’t, it will be in the cross hairs for years to come……..our misfits have set the precedent on both sides now, one side gets the numbers and unilateral gov’t will occur……

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
1:31 pm

Silly Democrats, if you want as much money as the Republicans, just sell yourselves to Big Business as the cons have already done.

Carlos, there is something in the Bible about man cannot serve two masters. The Dems are already serving the Unions.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
1:32 pm

The libs on here like Jefferson are quick to demand specifics from conservatives and their followers on spending cuts and tax increases, but can’t quite find anybody on their side willing to do the same thing.

C’mon, libs! Butch up your game here. You claim you want cuts and taxes; where are YOUR leader’s CUTS?

Where’s the bipartisan cooperation you so love to tout?

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
1:32 pm

He lied to us?

NS Sherlock! How many times is that so far?

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
1:34 pm

Kyle

Polls did show that a majority didn’t want Obamacare. You can break up the various components and get different results, however the majority were against it.

Are you and your fellow columnists and pundits on the right taking into account that a percentage of those who opposed, said so because the law didn’t go far enough?

I doubt many of those who were against the bill when asked the general question, but fit in the “law doesn’t do enough” category will be voting for Romney.

It is all great to turn on talk radio, read articles, watch the pundits on tv go on an on about what the polls show, but most wont even cite the specifics of the polls because they all do not match the story they are selling.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
1:35 pm

Claiming Obama lied to us is like stating the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.

Both events occur with stunning regularity. :D

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
1:40 pm

Uh Oh, you’re deflecting again.

Surely you’re not buying into the Obama campaign’s “We don’t release figures on fundraising” stupidity, are you?

If they had raised equal to, or more than Romney had raised, they would have been touting that all across their fawning sycophant airwaves.

Silence is golden, bub. Not gold.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/29/obamacare-raises-taxes-on-3-million-middle-class-americans/

JDW

You didn’t like Moore’s analysis and wanted numbers. Looks to me like 76% of the money raised by Oblamercare comes from people making less than 96,000 bucks, leaving 24 % coming from the EVIL rich.

More Oblamer tax cuts for the rich. There are another couple of lies, he is guilty of, encapsulated in those numbers.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
1:43 pm

Tiberius

Romney can raise all the money he likes, until the polls show him winning, especially in the swing states……… Kyle and yourself can deflect all you like.

But keep up the great work

For all that “sleeping giant being woke up” talk, polls are not showing it…… maybe the giant is still drinking his coffee and is still a little groggy

Cutty

July 2nd, 2012
1:49 pm

New drinking game. One must take a shot of their favorite adult beverage every time Wingfield puts a hyphen or ‘wait for it’ in the title of his blogs.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
1:53 pm

@Tiberius…”where are YOUR leader’s CUTS”

Guess in the Republican rush to be the Party of No, you tend to overlook what is actually happening. I hear all the hogwash regarding the fact that a budget has not been approved but guess what. We are operating under the framework of the budget that was submitted and that framework cuts non-security discretionary spending from $450 billion to $410 billion in 2013 and $385 billion by 2015.

The budget also cuts more than $360 billion from Medicare, Medicaid and other health programs over a decade.

All in all this year, the administration details 210 places where programs will be cut or eliminated

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/13/news/economy/obama_budget_cuts/index.htm

So in spite of your whining, posturing and blathering as usual you miss the forest for the trees…cuts are happening already…whats not happening is any meaningful participation from The Party of No.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
1:57 pm

New drinking game. Every time Cutty ads something of substance to the blog- take a drink.

“wait for it”—–

Damn, everyone is still sober

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
1:58 pm

@Rafe…”Looks to me like 76% of the money raised by Oblamercare comes from people making less than 96,000 bucks,”

Then you are blind as a bat…did you miss the bottom part where $2.3 billion of the $4.3 billion come from those making IN EXCESS OF 500% of AGI or at least $120,000?

Or how about just basic math…add up the totals for $96K and under and you get $1.5 billion or about 1/3 of the total $4.3 billion.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
2:02 pm

JDW, you DO realize that those “cuts” are to INCREASES in spending, don’t you?

You DO realize those “cuts” are happening because NEITHER side had the stones to actually cut specific programs, don’t you?

Of course you didn’t.

Modus operandi for you, JDW.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
2:03 pm

Uh Oh, the inertia associated with a nation of voters still getting their arms around this failed policy takes time.

Even you aren’t so stupid as to think polls will show changes in mere days, when the specifics of this plan aren’t even in the public’s mind just yet.

Or maybe you are.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
2:05 pm

And as Paul Harvey would never do, JDW, left out the REST OF THE STORY

The budget would cut more than $360 billion from Medicare, Medicaid and other health programs over a decade.
But that’s a drop in the bucket when compared to the rapid expansion of costs expected for entitlement programs in the not-so-distant future.
And the White House stayed away from fundamental reforms to Social Security.
Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, praised Obama for his “focus on deficit reduction” but said more must be done.
“His proposals would barely stabilize the debt — and at too high a level,” MacGuineas said in a statement.
In the end, many of the proposals in the Obama budget are likely to fall by the wayside since the measure stands no chance of being enacted.
And Obama’s 2013 budget is only the first step in a convoluted process that involves no less than 40 congressional committees, 24 subcommittees, countless hearings and a number of floor votes in the House and Senate.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
2:09 pm

“when the specifics of this plan aren’t even in the public’s mind just yet.”

Bill has been on line for 2 yrs as well as the right and left talking about it

Specifics have been out there. If you haven’t read them, no problem, but they are and have been accessible.

Guess so many thought the bill was going down they are now just taking the time to look at. Who knows?

Like I said, when the polls show Romney leading in the swing states he will need to win, then tell me about all the so called uprising and sleeping giants.

Until that time, you have you supposition and conjecture……. Nothing more, nothing less

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
2:12 pm

“Until that time, you have you supposition and conjecture……. Nothing more, nothing less”

As do YOU, Uh Oh.

You probably missed that particular point in your zeal to spike the ball.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
2:12 pm

Tiberius

I’m not even a fan of the entire bill, just saying that while Romney could get a bounce, until it shows, the talk show host on the right saying…. “he just gave Romney the WH”…… is laughable at best

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
2:14 pm

JDW

I can read, that of the people paying income tax, 76% of those who will pay these taxes are middle to lower class people. 24% of the people paying the tax are “wealthy”. Obviously the wealthy pay more of the total money being paid in taxes.

This is just like the income tax, the 1% pay 90% of the revenue generated to the Fed treasury.

What does this mean?

That Oblamercare is much less a progressive tax than the income tax!!!! Much more REGRESSIVE, as you libs term things.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
2:15 pm

@Tiberius…”JDW, you DO realize that those “cuts” are to INCREASES in spending, don’t you?”

Why no! I was pretty sure that if one spent $450 billion this year and $385 billion in 2015 that was a DECREASE of $65 billion….

of course I can’t change the laws of mathematics like you…WOW that must be really cool… :roll:

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
2:17 pm

I can read but can’t type. First line should read—that of the people paying the Oblamercare tax, vice income tax.

Cutty

July 2nd, 2012
2:17 pm

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
2:17 pm

“the talk show host on the right saying…. “he just gave Romney the WH”…… is laughable at best”

Denying the Romney campaign just received a boost in energy is laughable, too, Uh Oh.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
2:19 pm

“Why no! I was pretty sure that if one spent $450 billion this year and $385 billion in 2015 that was a DECREASE of $65 billion….”

Of course, you actually believe that Clinton gave us a surplus, too, so your expertise in budgetary processes and outcomes is simply non-existent, JDW.

Skip

July 2nd, 2012
2:22 pm

Kyle thinks the cons have the money to buy the presidency, I agree with him.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
2:23 pm

@Rafe…the debate is not whether the Obama budget goes far enough, the point was to correct Tiberius’s erroneous declaration the there were no Democratic options that contained cuts.

If The Party of No wanted to get together and chat a bit about a real plan to cuts spending and raise revenues then we could have a discussion on what is enough. However they continue to act like spoiled 5 year olds and kowtow to His Royal Self Appointed Highness of Taxes Grover Norquist.

As for your diatribe on remissive vs progressive taxes I suggest remedial work…a tax that collects 1/3 of the revenue from the lower 80% of the earning population and 2/3’s from the higher 20%, as does the mandate, is a progressive tax.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
2:26 pm

@Tiberuis…”Of course, you actually believe that Clinton gave us a surplus, too, so your expertise in budgetary processes and outcomes is simply non-existent, ”

And that is just a simple published fact that you can’t admit so you attempt laughable spin. You remind me of a child with chocolate all over their face insisting that the missing cupcake had nothing to do with them.

AmVet

July 2nd, 2012
2:26 pm

Dave R,

There is an interesting debate going on over at Bookman’s about the US Supreme Court’s ruling on PPACA.

What we need is a widely respected constitutional scholar such as yourself to settle this matter.

Come on over and tell us constitutional non-experts why this thing blew up in your face, OK?

LOL…

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
2:30 pm

“What we need is a widely respected constitutional scholar such as yourself to settle this matter.”

Not surprised you’re missing one over there, AmWet.

Not at all.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
2:32 pm

“And that is just a simple published fact”

Oh? Do you believe everything your government tells you, JDW?

Of course you, do! Government = good! where you are concerned.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

July 2nd, 2012
2:49 pm

Obama care isn’t going anywhere folks.

Even if Romney wins ( which he wont ) it still wont get repealed.

Its over . Get over it.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
2:51 pm

JDW

Please stop the twaddle about “billions”. When talking about the financial status of the USA we only mention trillions. That will make your “facts” a little more cognizant.

By the way, people who are “rich” are also American citizens. They are already payng higher tax rates than other Americans. I don’t know how “equal” was changed to “equal but not if you are rich” came to be legal. The love of someone else’s money? What R U gonna say next? “Off with their heads” or “Up their taxes AGAIN”!

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

July 2nd, 2012
2:52 pm

Obamacare upheld, Fast and Furious witch-hunt is over

Stock market up , Obama up in the polls , Gas prices under 3 dollars

Makes for a pretty slow news day at Fox.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

July 2nd, 2012
2:56 pm

Obama’s lead is growing in Florida

He wins that state and its …..

Game Over Cheesy Grits.

carlosgvv

July 2nd, 2012
2:57 pm

Rafe – 1:31

There is something in the Bible about having a conscience. The Dems still pay some attention to that. The Republicans have completely tossed it out the window.

I demand to see Cheesy Grits Birth Certificate- Long Form Please

July 2nd, 2012
2:57 pm

They are already payng higher tax rates than other Americans.

No they dont. Mitt Romney only paid 15 percent.

I pay a lot more than that.

Anderson Cooper

July 2nd, 2012
2:58 pm

The fact is….I’m happy to donate $3.00. Also, I’m elated about muy Bilugas. Gracias Amigoes

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
3:02 pm

Cheesy Grits ( in one of his fits), 2:49

You are correct. “Obamacare is not going anywhere.” Of course not. It is already a dead end, a tax burden forever, a misfit program designed by misfits to mislead Americans.

Congrats on getting one thing right. Obamacare is NOT going anywhere! Its the wreck on the expressway, the hole in the dam, the spark in the dry forest, the bubbling of the magma, the big tree across the road,…….I could go on & on. Obamacare must be removed!

AmVet

July 2nd, 2012
3:03 pm

Are you calling Dusty mistaken? Or worse?

She is a millionaire and she would know about these things.

Besides, she’s not stupid enough to promote an insane scenario where common working shmucks pay a higher effective federal withholding rate than Warren Buffet.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
3:06 pm

Poor Cheesy,

NO matter what Romney paid. His tax rate is still higher than yours and he paid what was owed. He probably has a Charity Foundation going somewhere . Do you?

Maybe you need a new tax accountant. Tax rates are NOT equal for everyone.

Pizzaman

July 2nd, 2012
3:09 pm

md: flexible spending accounts-”Special Needs Kids Tax”? Just where the hell did you get that. We’d had a FSA for years and it allow us to pay what our insurance doesn’t with untaxed money. How many of your other figures are crap like this?

Tiberius, you ole dog! Your figures are not going to matter because your side’s going to “repeal and replace”. Maybe you can answer my question: replace with what?

Vote early, vote often!

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
3:10 pm

AMVET? Who? I don’t answer any misfit that pops up. .

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
3:14 pm

Romney’s tax rate for actual earned INCOME is higher than everybody elses.

The majority of Romney’s money comes from capital gains, which is taxed lower due to it already being taxed once before and because it is used for investment in long-term job creation; something the private sector knows a lot about.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
3:16 pm

“Maybe you can answer my question: replace with what?”

Once again, Pizzaman, “Google” and “GOP heathcare bills / plans” are your friends.

I told you this last week, and you didn’t follow up on it.

I guess liberals are really too lazy to work . . . .

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm

@Tiberius…”Oh? Do you believe everything your government tells you, JDW?”

I got that whole basic math and accounting thing down pretty good. So when I go to the officially published United States of America budget documents for say 1999 and see that in that year the country brought in $1.8727 trillion (just for you Dusty) dollars and spent $1.7018 trillion dollars I can instantly grasp a couple of FACTS…

1) We spent less than we took in…why that is a SURPLUS
2) $1.8727 trillion less $1.7018 trillion is $0.1256 trillion

Then my basic logic skills allow me to say as a published FACT in 1999 the United States of America had a BUDGET SURPLUS OF $0.1256 trillion dollars.

So either my powers of math, accounting and critical thinking exceed your own or you have superpowers…my bet is on the former.

AmVet

July 2nd, 2012
3:18 pm

Yet, you just did, Dusty.

Too funny.

How was your Triple Whopper, Super-sized fries and Diet Coke lunch?

The shame of it was that you could have donated that money to Mitt’s Charitable Foundation…

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
3:20 pm

@Tiberius…”The majority of Romney’s money comes from capital gains”

Actually the majority of Romney’s money comes from carried interest which amazingly enough is taxed as capital gains even though it’s really not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/time-to-close-the-carried-interest-loophole/2012/02/07/gIQAJokKxQ_story.html

Real Athens

July 2nd, 2012
3:21 pm

I wonder: Have the folks who tout U.S. Healthcare ever been treated anywhere else for a condition? Has anyone ever priced medication in Mexico or Canada and compared it to what people are gouged for the exact same products in the U.S.?

And then there are all those pesky regulations, we know corporations always answer to the patient instead of the shareholder. Let’s hear it for the status quo!

GlaxoSmithKline to pay $3 billion for health fraud

JESSE J. HOLLAND
From Associated Press
July 02, 2012 1:48 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — GlaxoSmithKline LLC will pay $3 billion and plead guilty to promoting two popular drugs for unapproved uses and to failing to disclose important safety information on a third in the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. history, the Justice Department said Monday.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
3:28 pm

“and see that in that year the country brought in $1.8727 trillion (just for you Dusty) dollars and spent $1.7018 trillion dollars I can instantly grasp a couple of FACTS…

1) We spent less than we took in…why that is a SURPLUS
2) $1.8727 trillion less $1.7018 trillion is $0.1256 trillion”

The problem with you, JDW (among many others), is that you don’t dig deep enough past surface information.

The dollars this country brought in during the time you specified (and used in that report) included SS contributions, so (as has been repeated ad nuaseum to you since you don’t get it), the “surplus” was an accounting gimmick where funds that were supposed to be counted in the SS trust fund were used as General Revenue funds.

Therefore, NO actual surplus existed, JDW.

Even though BOTH sides lied about it.

In the private sector, we call it “cooking the books”. Only in the public sector can people get away with something that would be criminal in the private sector.

Another epic fail on your part.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm

http://tinyurl.com/7gfdgtu

Both campaigns are horrible at messaging

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
3:34 pm

Carlos
There is something in the Bible about having a conscience. The Dems still pay some attention to that.

Yeah, and they donate their used underwear to Goodwill and take the deduction.

Check out which party followers, by far, gives the most to charity. The Dems prefer to give other people’s money, confiscated via taxes, to charity. They think people will not support the poor, unless they use government action, to force them to. They assume their lack of motivation regarding the poor, is universal.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
3:36 pm

JDW

Tiberius is correct. Only if you count the SS, which has to be paid back at sometime, was there a “surplus”.

Yes the left still touts its, however it is really funny when Kyle’s man Newt takes the credit for it as he did at least a zillion times before he dropped out of the race………

snoqualmiefalls

July 2nd, 2012
3:36 pm

JDW… as I have said time and again, TBan makes up his own rules, sets the dimensions of debate with his own set of “facts” and usually concludes with a pithy nasty remark concerning the intellengence of the other commentators, nothing new from that guy… however I do enjoy his “chowderhead” rant, err was that New England or Manhatten chowder TBan? And don’t get him started about “deflection” his new word for 2012, any time you disagree with his world view you are subject to the deflection obiter dictum… Might help if TBan had just a small knowledge of Latin, maybe we all could make more sense of his rants.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
3:38 pm

Finn
Makes for a pretty slow news day at Fox.

No, they cover the news as it exists, unlike CNN, which switches to covering the Queen, or LiLO, or Syria, when Oblamer has a bad day.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm

Good news from JDW!!!!!! We no longer have a national debt or deficit! It’s ALL surplus!!

Whew! What a relief! That is even better than hearing the Braves won a game! (Last night was just a heat stroke!)

td

July 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm

This is the largest regressive tax ever placed on Americans and you can all thank the Democratic party.

“The median U.S. family income is about $50,000. Family health coverage can easily run $20,000 a year — and rising quickly. In that scenario, the coverage mandate is essentially a 40 percent tax on that family, which is now required by law to ensure that every family member has qualifying coverage.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/06/29/is-obamacare-the-largest-tax-increase-in-u-s-history/

carlosgvv

July 2nd, 2012
3:45 pm

Rafe – 3:34

People in America give to all kinds of charities. To the best of my knowledge, they don’t give their party affiliation at the time of donations. So, there’s no way to know who gives the most.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm

Carlos,

The info comes from the 1040, if you paid taxes, you know that.

From Nicholas Kristopf, New York Times

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm

@Tiberius…”an accounting gimmick where funds that were supposed to be counted in the SS trust fund were used as General Revenue funds.”

Those are the rules as they have existed since the Johnson Adminstration. I will tell you like I tell children…you can make up your own rules if you like but don’t expect the rest of the world to play by them.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
3:56 pm

@Dusty….”Good news from JDW!!!!!! We no longer have a national debt or deficit! It’s ALL surplus!!”

Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills a bit… :roll:

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
3:56 pm

“Those are the rules as they have existed since the Johnson Adminstration.”

A simple “You were right, Tiberius” would have sufficed, JDW, instead of your spin.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm

rafe

Not arguing your studies. I have never looked at them to be honest. How do the studies define “liberal” and “conservative”. More people surely define themselves as conservative than they do liberal.

How did the studies take into account those who donate, but do not consider themselves either conservative or liberal?

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm

@Tiberius…”A simple “You were right, Tiberius” would have sufficed, JDW, instead of your spin.”

When and if you are right I will tell you. In this case you are wrong and acting like a spoiled child to boot.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm

Nice denial, JDW.

Pathetic.

Simply pathetic.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm

@Tiberius…if you had said…

Yes, there was a surplus under the current accounting rules that allow Social Securty to be included in general receipts. I would prefer to have that rule changed.

I would have agreed…but you decided to be, as usual a pompus…well it rhymes with pass.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
4:06 pm

Off topic, but like most things Democrat oriented, isn’t it ironical that their oft cited claim on their being no voter fraud in America, is being challenged. Not by the GOP, by the Hispanic Democrat that lost to ole Charley Rangel in the Democrat primary.

They should just tell that guy, go home and be quiet, take your loss, because there is no voter fraud in NYC or America.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
4:09 pm

Just because Blacks in Charlie’s district got to use machine votes and Hispanics were forced to used paper ballots, that they couldn’t read, is no indication of voter fraud. You could lose a few paper ballots along the way, but its a manageable number. I mean ask Eric Holder. Move on along, nothing to see here.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
4:10 pm

“isn’t it ironical that their oft cited claim on their being no voter fraud in America, is being challenged. ”

And you have substantiation that the Democrats or the left in general said there was “no voter fraud in America”?

Or was that just some typical over the top hyperbole?

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm

Rafe

A few quotes if you have them will not constitute being the Democrat Party or the left as a whole.

Thanks

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm

JDW, if I had said the sky was blue, you’d simply disagree with me and say it was green.

Such is the way of liberal debate.

Hillbilly D

July 2nd, 2012
4:27 pm

Thank goodness, neither party has ever gotten my email address (knock on wood). If only they’d quit filling up my mailbox with their stuff. Bills and junk mail are bad enough without that.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm

Uh oh

Just quoting HDB and Finn McCool. It is a Republican tactic according to them to suppress the vote, by wanting voter ID laws. They claim their is no voter fraud in America.

Nancy Pelosi said the whole Fast/Furious scandal was just the GOP trying to get Holder for his efforts to thwart voter ID laws, which Pelosi thinks suppress the vote.

Now, Charlie Rangel is accused by a Democrat of suppressing the Hispanic vote in his district. Charlie who was propped up and taken care of by his mentor Nancy, when he failed to pay his taxes.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm

And moving slightly back onto the topic of fundraising.

Do any of you liberals REALLY believe that the Obama campaign isn’t releasing their fundraising “take” following the SCOTUS ruling because NOW they suddenly don’t have a policy of releasing that information when the media requests it?

Do you really believe that, libs?

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
4:29 pm

Rafe

Thanks for the clarification

TRUTH

July 2nd, 2012
4:31 pm

RePukklikans, always grasping at straws…..jeeeezzz.. How about blogging on the GOP candidate’s platform may be? We’ll wait….

james

July 2nd, 2012
4:37 pm

What has Obama done for you except raise your taxes
and our country’s debt through the roof…. Exactly…..
We need a change and if Mitt sux as bad as Obama vote
him out in 2016….

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
4:44 pm

“How about blogging on the GOP candidate’s platform may be?”

You don’t come here much, do you?

Or is it just a bad failure of reading comprehension you have?

AmVet

July 2nd, 2012
4:50 pm

Flip “I was for it before I was against it” Romney’s platform?

Why ask.

It will be different next week.

But for the specifics of the moment, I suggest following his “Every Millionaire Counts” tour.

Look for the gawdy big bus with the dogs tied to the top…

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
4:53 pm

I’d say don’t give up your day job, AmWet, but since you’re a member of the moocher and freeloader class, that would be a wasted effort on my part.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
5:13 pm

Tiberius…”JDW, if I had said the sky was blue, you’d simply disagree with me and say it was green.”

In general if you say the sky is blue the sun has set and there are dark clouds covering the moon and stars. However contrary to all evidence you cite outdated and inappropriate information to attempt to make your misguided point.

Such is the way of Conservative “debate”.

NOTE: In Tiberiusville there is no debate only pronouncements from the High and Mighty Poohbah..who just got some great new threads or so he thinks.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
5:18 pm

Why can’t libs act like grownups and admit when they are wrong?

Of course, if they did that, they’d be spending all their time admitting they were wrong, and they’d have no time to post their nonsense.

getalife

July 2nd, 2012
5:19 pm

The first Presidential election tainted by billionaires united corruption where the incumbent is out raised by the opponent will end with a win for the incumbent.

Four more years if you will.

getalife

July 2nd, 2012
5:21 pm

Why can’t cons act like grownups and admit when they are wrong?

Because they are not gown ups and run from the truth like children.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
5:21 pm

@Tiberius…”Why can’t libs act like grownups and admit when they are wrong?

Of course, if they did that, they’d be spending all their time admitting they were wrong, and they’d have no time to post their nonsense.”

All Hail…his exalted majesty the Grand Poohbah has made another pronouncement. :roll:

getalife

July 2nd, 2012
5:23 pm

murcdoch thinks willard will lose.

I agree.

getalife

July 2nd, 2012
5:32 pm

If you want to go back to a depression vote gop.

Cosby

July 2nd, 2012
5:32 pm

Personally, I think that all contributions should be taxed a 75% and all the funding goes toward securing Social Security, then we would not have to listen to the horse squeze ads on TV and Radio..

AmVet

July 2nd, 2012
5:39 pm

That hater boy just loves me.

And I love just making him spit, sputter and show his nasty ass by doing nothing more than posting over here. (Like Bugs says, “Ain’t I a stinker?)

Skip

July 2nd, 2012
5:41 pm

When it gets down to two give em each $300 million and find out who’s best with money.No other contributions.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
5:42 pm

getaclue says

If you want to go back to a depression vote gop.

When did we get out of the depression?

I would say if you want to remain in a depression, vote Oblamer, for he has shown a great deal of skill in keeping us in one. If you are tired of living in a depressed economy, try someone else, for goodness sake.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
5:44 pm

Nancy Pelosi doesn’t think much of the freeloader class AmWet belongs to.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
5:49 pm

Skip
When it gets down to two give em each $300 million and find out who’s best with money.No other contributions.

Any incumbent other than Barry would probably come out ahead on the money management front, as they fly around on taxpayer money and campaign without using any of their 300M.

Barry has shown that he doesn’t handle money well, maybe, because he never had to, he mysteriously just showed up and someone funded his education, his foreign travel, his home, etc.

carlosgvv

July 2nd, 2012
5:50 pm

Rafe – 3:54

Since many people donate to charities but do NOT take it off their taxes, I stand by my original statement.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
5:50 pm

Hillbilly D,

I get a whole lot of political mail, too. Just got a picture of Romney. Looks very presidential!!

By the way, I am glad you did not have a Bambi Brouhaha recently. Was she raiding your garden or just dropping by?

BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS

July 2nd, 2012
5:52 pm

the dems have a long list of supporters, they should just impose a reelect obama tax on them. of course, all those making over $250K would be exempt.

Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy

July 2nd, 2012
6:11 pm

I stand by my original statement.

Not surprised Carlos, I didn’t figure you to give up your lifelong distorted version of reality, based on facts indicating you were wrong. You couldn’t support Oblamer, otherwise.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
6:18 pm

I’d say debating with JDW is like debating with a child, but I’d hate to be accused of insulting children.

Ray

July 2nd, 2012
6:31 pm

With regard to unsolicited emails/newsletters/mailers and fund raising request, over the years I have noticed I get request based on which ballot I used in the primaries.

“Independents” are now 40% of the voting population. Before too long, it will not “pay” to offend or insult “members” of any party.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
6:50 pm

@Tiberius…”I’d say debating with JDW is like debating with a child, but I’d hate to be accused of insulting children.”

You can say anything you like…after all you are the Grand Exalted Poohbah of Tiberuisville. A town where normal rules don’t apply and the Poohbah has new clothes…or does he?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
6:52 pm

JDW, you are free to debunk anything I post with facts.

I’m still waiting for your first successful effort.

Pizzaman

July 2nd, 2012
6:56 pm

TB: went to google and found any and all types of “idea’s” but NO specifics. Like it or not the ACA has specifics. For example the $500 million the GOP “claims” will be “taken” from Medicare has been proven over and over to be a lie. It is, in fact, a 130mil cut to the subsidies that the government pays insurance companies for Medicare C. C and D are Bush’s and the Repubs are going to go to great length’s to repeal that. And, of course, who are some of the biggest contributors to the Repubs? Insurance (Medicare C is a “bonanza for them) and Pharmaceuticals whose bonanza is Medicare D. So don’t try to tell me the Repubs have every one’s interests at heart.

Vote early, vote often!

Thomas Heyward Jr.

July 2nd, 2012
6:57 pm

The good news?
.

Only 1 eighth of the U.S. cattle population will vote for John Kerry Junior in November.
Ditto the Oblama.
.
Only a small percentage of the above would be stupid enough to send “10 dollars” to either candidate.
.
Freedom-Lovers out number the cows 3to1.
.
Carry on.
.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

July 2nd, 2012
6:58 pm

Ron Paul………2012.
.
It never too late for liberty.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
7:04 pm

“For example the $500 million the GOP “claims” will be “taken” from Medicare has been proven over and over to be a lie.”

So when the GOP makes that claim, it is a lie, but wen the Democrats admit the same thing, they’re telling the truth?

Got it, Pizzaman.

“went to google and found any and all types of “idea’s” but NO specifics.”

Then your search skills are officially deemed to be hopeless.

gm

July 2nd, 2012
7:12 pm

65% approve some of Obama care, could some one explain what plan does the GOP have for health care?

The right wing nut jobs never have a plan but always a Monday morning QB, Obama ads on outsource in chief is working in swing states, what a bunch of idiots on right to stand by and vote for Willard who have sent jobs in several countries and stand in front of people saying will a straight face he will bring jobs back, this is down right un American.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
7:18 pm

“could some one explain what plan does the GOP have for health care? ”

Once again, Google is your friend.

I know you’re a liberal, gm, but please try to break out of your DNA structure and actually do some work, will ‘ya?

“Willard who have sent jobs in several countries”

And of course the only people who still believe those lies (already debunked) are Obama campaign spokespeople, and YOU.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
7:19 pm

@Tiberius…”JDW, you are free to debunk anything I post with facts.”

Why I already did. In 1999 the US ran a budget surplus. it is an accepted fact. In fact published and certified as an audited financial fact. However, in Tiberusville such facts don’t apply according to The Grand Exalted Poohbah. Course the jokes on him isn’t it? Or more aptly is him.

Ask yourself Tiberius why is it you are banned and yet people follow you around to make sport of…it ain’t your rosy personality or the fountain of truth spewing forth from your words.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
7:23 pm

“Why I already did.”

And yet, you did not. Using SS funds to make political hay by claiming a surplus in General Funds is dishonest.

Which is probably why you support the practice.

Liberals – World Class Deceivers.

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
7:28 pm

@Tiberius…as I said earlier make your own rules if you like, but don’t expect the rest of the world to play along. See that’s sort of a problem when one person thinks they can change the rules. Do it enough and you end up getting sentenced to professional help…which is just what you need.

Rob Shields

July 2nd, 2012
7:31 pm

Only an idiot would approve of raising taxes on themselves and not raise taxes on the top 10 percent. If I were in the top 10 percent and you gave me a tax cut, it would be dumb as hell to hire new workers when I’m getting the same amount accomplished with a smaller workforce. Trickle down my A– I’ll keep the tax break and I would hire anyone else. It would be stupid to do such a thing when I’ve cut back my work force numbers giver them a lower hourly wage and still getting it done keep up the good work and keep on voting for incumbents .

Old Timer

July 2nd, 2012
7:35 pm

When it comes to Obama Care, Obama, Harry Reid and Nncy Pelosi make Pinocchio look like Hones Abe.

Old Timer

July 2nd, 2012
7:40 pm

Repeat without lost letters–When it come to Obama Care, Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi make Pinocchio look like Honest Abe. Since Obama had a hard time raising taxes on the high earners, he decided to pick on the regular folks that usually don’t have a voice–but they can vote.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
7:44 pm

So according to JDW, it’s OK to be dishonest, so long as the rules SAY you can be dishonest.

Got it.

And you wonder why liberals have no firm set of principles?

Serious Robuck

July 2nd, 2012
7:47 pm

I love how Kyle’s columns inspire original thought and mature behavior. Sort of like Fox and Limbaugh.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
7:51 pm

“I love how Kyle’s columns inspire original thought and mature behavior. Sort of like Fox and Limbaugh.”

And yet, using the Fox and Limbaugh meme is not even remotely original. :D

Go figure.

saywhat?

July 2nd, 2012
7:57 pm

Democrats show their penchant for economic inefficiency in — wait for it — their fund-raising emails

Republicans show their penchant for economic inefficiency by- wait for it- running the nations economy into the deepest ditch since the great depression.

I think I will vote for the group with crappy e-mails.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
8:00 pm

“Republicans show their penchant for economic inefficiency by- wait for it- running the nations economy into the deepest ditch since the great depression.”

And yet no matter how many times you repeat that, saywhat, it still isn’t true.

But don’t let history and facts get in the way of a good whine . . . ;)

saywhat?

July 2nd, 2012
8:04 pm

Riiigght tiberius. Its only not true in wingnuttistan, where 2000-2008 never happened. Keep making stuff up here at the kids table, they will believe anything.

Serious Robuck

July 2nd, 2012
8:06 pm

Tiberius, sweetie.

I wasn’t trying to be original. Should that be my goal? Your moniker is very cute and original. I’ll give you points on that. Your arguments, however, hint at the same tired GOP talking points we’ve been subjected to since Ronnie Ray Gun’s. No points for you on substance, sweetie.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 2nd, 2012
8:08 pm

The House as early as next week will pass legislation prohibiting the IRS from receiving any money from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to implement the 2010 healthcare reform law.

Toast.

saywhat? Not banned at Bookman's because I'm not a lying sack of excrement, and proud of it.

July 2nd, 2012
8:09 pm

Oops! I forgot to use my new screen name. Good night all. I’m off to go enjoy some constitutional universal healthcare!

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
8:09 pm

@Tiberius…”So according to JDW, it’s OK to be dishonest, so long as the rules SAY you can be dishonest”

You got nothing. What’s ok with me,as it relates to the subject at hand, is that the rules are made by duly elected officials. If I don’t like them I will vote for someone to change them and if enough people agree then the rules will be changed.

However, unlil then the pronouncements of a pompous…well you know, with a emperor complex are worth nothing…save entertainment value. Which, btw is dwindling fast.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
8:09 pm

“I wasn’t trying to be original.”

Then I would suggest that you refrain from excoriating others on that which you yourself do not engage in.

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
8:12 pm

I accept your surrender, JDW.

md

July 2nd, 2012
8:13 pm

“Even if Romney wins ( which he wont ) it still wont get repealed.”

Where you been……don’t you know Obama changed the rules……laws don’t have to be repealed anymore, don’t like them, just ignore them……….

Romney just has to issue an executive order claiming he doesn’t plan to enforce the aca any longer……isn’t that how Obama does it??

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
8:15 pm

Looks as if the White House isn’t practicing and fiscal constraint.

Their salaries increased a couple of million this year over last year.

And the White House calligrapher (who knew we even had one, let alone needed one in this digital day and age) now makes $97,000 per year.

Way to tighten those belts, Obama!

md

July 2nd, 2012
8:15 pm

Pizzaman….do you ever google before inserting foot?

“The “Special Needs Kids Tax” takes effect Jan. 1, 2011: This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. (Page 1999/Sec. 9005/$14 billion)”

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
8:17 pm

@Tiberius…”I accept your surrender, JDW.”

Lucky for you this isn’t a duel or you would be dead right about now. This isn’t Tiberiusville so reality reigns. Why would I surrender an insurmountable advantage?

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
8:23 pm

“Why would I surrender an insurmountable advantage?”

Advantages, JDW?

After you admitted that you condone and support our elected officials lying to us about budget surpluses?

Don’t really see one, son.

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
8:34 pm

oooooooooopssssssssssssssssssss

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
8:35 pm

And that’s all folks!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone behave themselves and have a super evening………

JDW

July 2nd, 2012
8:38 pm

@Tiberius..”After you admitted that you condone and support our elected officials lying to us about budget surpluses?”

:roll: The Exalted Grand Poohbah of Tiberuisville has spoken…gives me chills you sound just like the Wizard of Oz before he turns to face the music…one day you shall have to face the music and be exposed for the fraud that you are.

However, in the real world, I expect that day has come and gone.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 2nd, 2012
8:53 pm

RUSH: All right. I’ve about had all this I can take. Free riders, a penalty for free riders. What an attitude shift this is toward the uninsured. What an about-face this is. Pelosi, the Democrats are pushing for Obamacare back in 2009 and 2010, and they were bombarding us with heartbreaking stories about the 30 to 50 million people who had to go without health insurance. And they weren’t free riders, they were victims. They were victims of a mean country, victims of the rich, victims of corporations, victims of small business. They were victims of the 1%. We were even told that 45,000 people die every year because they couldn’t get health insurance, and now all of a sudden they’re a bunch of freeloaders?

So now Nasty Pelosi is a tea bag-ger?

fair and balanced

July 2nd, 2012
8:55 pm

Tiberius:
“”"”Republicans show their penchant for economic inefficiency by- wait for it- running the nations economy into the deepest ditch since the great depression.”

And yet no matter how many times you repeat that, saywhat, it still isn’t true.”"”

if you did minimal research you would see how laughable those statements are.

Ronnie the Saint passed EMTALA which forces hospitals to treat everyone regardless of citizenship or ability to pay if they crawl into an emergency room- pure socialism with no source of funding except the insured

George W. created free Medicare drug give away with no source of funding – cost in the billions by now.
Papa Bush created the Mandate called ADA with no souce of funding
Should I go on or do you just throw crap out to see if someone calls you on it??????????

Tiberius - Banned from Bookman's and proud of it!

July 2nd, 2012
9:00 pm

fair and balanced (and if that moniker isn’t false advertising, I don’t know what is), maybe you can step up the dialogue a bit and, rather than listing things that merely increased the deficit (a problem to be sure, but not the main reason why we are in a recession), maybe you can provide specific policies and laws enacted that went directly to the many things that actually DID cause this recession and implosion of our economy.

I won’t be holding my breath waiting.

RC---(R--apoi)

July 2nd, 2012
9:00 pm

Well, I’m with Sister Dusty and all the other godly people on here that want to get rid of this Moochers Tax. We have a Constitutional right to mooch. Heck, just look at the Bible—it’s full of beggars and moochers. Besides, how’s the electronics industry and the motorcycle industry going to stay in business if their customers have to spend money on insurance, instead of the latest doo-dads?

I’m mighty proud of old Nathan and that crooked fine FL gov. for coming out and saying they ain’t going to pay for no more Medicaid. If we left these uninsured people alone and kinda pretended they wasn’t there then pretty soon they’d die out and the problem would be solved. But no, the do-gooders have to step in and want them to have medical care.

You know, I kinda agree with they guy that said we ought to put Ryan on the ticket. If we don’t do it quick the movie industry’s going to snap him up cause he’s a dead ringer for Dracula.

Have a good night everybody.

fair and balanced

July 2nd, 2012
9:06 pm

“Just to be clear, the Medicare drug benefit was a pure giveaway with a gross cost greater than either the House or Senate health reform bills how being considered. Together the new bills would cost roughly $900 billion over the next 10 years, while Medicare Part D will cost $1 trillion.”

http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republican-budget-hypocrisy-health-care-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html

Of course that is of no concern if you are a Republican since a Republican president gave away the store for free. Just like the trillion or morehe wasted in Iraq.Now if Obama did that-can you imagine the ruckus?

Bullet County

July 2nd, 2012
9:29 pm

Kyle, what email did Newton Leroy send to help him retire his campaign debt?

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
9:37 pm

Well, the Braves are dragging tonight (4-1 Cubs 8th inning) so I thought I would run over here for a bit of discussion. Uh oh and too bad….

Poor Redneck, looking for another undercover location. OK. You can sneak a few in over here, but I am so glad you are just a real liberal and not a real Southerner.

As to the current conflagration, we had a nice place here until a few days ago. Let us return to that.

And where is Bruno? I read that physicists are sure they have discovered the “God particle”. They said that the Higgs boson might be it or something!! This is the kind of thing that Bruno loves. Not me. I’m sorta the “What in the world is that?” Bruno knows!!

Go Braves and hurry up!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 2nd, 2012
9:57 pm

The only time anyone will ever find the “God particle” is right after they die.

It’ll be the first thing they see.

What ever these heathens think they’re hunting is like a really fast piece of matter.

That He created.

brad

July 2nd, 2012
10:01 pm

Just because you don’t understand what they’re doing at CERN is no reason to label them as “heathens”. But I guess that’s the con way…attack what you can’t understand.

Hillbilly D

July 2nd, 2012
10:06 pm

Dusty @ 5:50

This time of year, she coulda been a he. Little early for them to be in velvet yet. I suspect it was because of the size and the fact it was alone. Most does would be traveling with fawns this time of year. Anyone, It was fleeing from some hooligans going down the road and didn’t see me ’til the last minute. Glad it did for both of us.

Hillbilly D

July 2nd, 2012
10:08 pm

****Anyone should be anyhow. (The ol’ brain ain’t what it once was).

Uh Oh

July 2nd, 2012
10:13 pm

lights out

enjoy

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
10:34 pm

Awwww….the Braves lost 4 to 1….must be the heat!

HILLBILLY D

I am glad that deer didn’t lay you out like a rug on the road. Now that’s a bit embarrassing ! Makes your face turn red and no telling where else…

One time long ago, we were visitng the state park down in the Okefenokee with all the alligators. There were a lot of deer there who had gotten friendly with all folks. My ten year old daughter was eating potato chips. One big fellow rushed over for a taste and scared her to pieces. For one thing, his entire nose was covered with ticks and he was not a pretty sight. (Neither were the alligators to my way of thinking!)

Anyway, the swamp is a mysterious beauty and an interesting place to visit.

getalife

July 2nd, 2012
10:51 pm

Did you get over the health care decision yet cons?

You know if it fails to control costs (like opting out), there is only one plan left.

Single payer and it works.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
11:19 pm

Kamchak,

When did you get back from the Steppes or should I say released?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 2nd, 2012
11:27 pm

So you have one of these sad stories to tell us all about too?

No.

Another episode of one word answers to a simple(ton’s) question.

Are you gonna regale us with another of your, “OH NOES! GASOLINE WILL CONTINUE TO RISE UNTIL THE ELECTION AND IT WILL BE $5-6 A GALLON! OBAMA IS DOOMED! rants?

Are you going to tell us that you can not make it with suckling on the government teet[sic] because the world is just to hard for you to make it on your own?

No, see above.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Dusty

How’s the tomato growing thing working out for you?

Just got back up here in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. to save mine.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 2nd, 2012
11:37 pm

Sooth

Not much to see. A couple of gardens with 150′ of white mountaineer white runners, 300′ of purple hull peas, 300′ of black-eyed peas 6 tomato plants (better boys — I woulda planted more but after giving away plenty last year, I threw away just as many) and maybe 150′ of kandy corn.

Dusty

July 2nd, 2012
11:45 pm

Kamchak,

Actually I think my tomatoes are doing very well, thank you. Even though they sat in their little black boxes for several weeks, I really made an effort to save them (finally). They are close together right besides the back door but I did dig a fairly deep trench, put in lotsa fertilizer and a little soil, put the plants in and placed new top soil around them. The old soil was full of hard red clay clumps.

Had someone here doing repairs on the house and he kindly put up stakes and little plastic ties. I have been pouring water on the plants, ’specially the last few days. Some are about three feet tall now. Haven’t seen any flowers yet but I have hope.

By the way, the gentleman who staked the plants brought some purple tomatoes from his garden. They were really good. He said he first bought some on the Cherokee Reservation and saved some seed and now grows them every year. He also brought a bright yellow tomato. All very tasty. You know. Good mayonaise and tomato sandwich. You just can’t beat it.! Have you ever heard of purple tomatoes?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 2nd, 2012
11:48 pm

Dusty

Purple tomatoes?

No, but I have seen black ones.

Hillbilly D

July 2nd, 2012
11:51 pm

Kamchak

If you’ve got a freezer, you can freeze tomatoes, if your inclined. They can be canned, too, but that’s a lot of work.

Hillbilly D

July 2nd, 2012
11:53 pm

Those tomatoes are probably Cherokee Purples. Never had any but I’ve heard of them. They’re supposed to be an heirloom variety.

Real Athens

July 2nd, 2012
11:58 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 3rd, 2012
12:00 am

Hillbilly D

I hear ya, but what I like most about tomatoes is a fresh, off-the-vine sliced for a whatever, bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich with quality mayo , or chopped for a salad ( there is a great local creamery that has the best buttermilk for homemade ranch dressing) .

Canning and freezing is for cooking tomatoes and there are so many companies that do it better than me.

Dusty

July 3rd, 2012
12:02 am

Kamchak,

Sounds like you have a real garden with a good combination. Lotsa work! But a black tomato? (That reminds me of my grilled chicken I tried last week end, Black!) Purple tomatoes are dark red with a hint of green which does give a purple cast to them..

I hope I have enough tomatoes to give away. Nobody else around here has a vegetable plot. Maybe I will surprise them.

HILLBILLY D, have you ever heard of purple tomatoes?

Dusty

July 3rd, 2012
12:09 am

Well, I”d better get some sleep and dream of Cherokee purple tomato sandwiches. You gardners take it easy. I hope it cools down tomorrow for me and all the gardens. Like them, I don’t have any A/C. G’nite….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 3rd, 2012
12:11 am

Sooth

The beans are for mom, she will can them. I enjoy beans but I love peas. I’ll give those to family members also (they can do the shelling!) and I’ll blanch and freeze all that I want for the winter. About a third of my corn got blown over by last night’s storm so I’m not sure how much of that I will see. I did a googledy search and found out that corn bred for sweetness is susceptible to getting knocked down like that.

Hillbilly D

July 3rd, 2012
12:11 am

Kamchak

I prefer a fresh tomato, too, but in the winter time, I just thaw ‘em out and eat ‘em, like I would a canned tomato. Not as good as fresh but it’ll get you through the winter. lol I never do any cooking with tomatoes but that’s just me.

Dusty

See my 11:53.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 3rd, 2012
12:30 am

Sooth

Not much can top fresh ice-cold watermelon.

My mom’s sister had a farm in east Ga. and every year she’d call and say when to come and pick beans, peas, okra and squash. Squatting in the August sun picking peas was not my idea of a quality summer vacation, but knowing that it was my labor made the subsequent meals special. And yes, during the two hour ride back to the ATL, my sister and I shelled peas in the back seat of the car.

@@

July 3rd, 2012
6:53 am

NS Sherlock! How many times is that so far?

I just spent five minutes trying to track down the comment from NS Sherlock.

Must be the heat.

the red herring

July 3rd, 2012
7:31 am

the democrats will still vote for obama even though he’s selling snake oil. it will come down to the republicans being able to point out the new taxes on the middle class clearly so that independents will be able to see they have been lied to. So far if pelosi and obama’s lips are moving they are usually lying or distorting the truth. Why was the bill back loaded with the taxes instead of having them start when the debts started climbing—so that obama could fool the voters thru this election and then he would have his 4 more years of decline but yeck I’d love to jet around to all those golf courses. If you don’t think this bill will effect your insurance and what you pay, If you don’t think this bill will effect the middle class dramatically with increased taxes, if you don’t think you’ve been lied to then you’re a democrat. Sad times for americans. Wait till all the employees of mom and pop businesses learn their fate—oh but that’s right the pain doesn’t start till 2014 so Obama’s banking on being back in office before then. Go figure.

AmVet

July 3rd, 2012
7:42 am

so that independents will be able to see they have been lied to.

Alas, all of those gullible independents…

Approval [after they ruled to uphold the national health care law] of the Supreme Court among independents edged up five points, to 53%.

And…

Washington (CNN) – Thursday’s landmark Supreme Court decision upholding the country’s health care law appears to have had exactly zero impact on the presidential election so far, and has produced virtually no change in opinions on President Barack Obama or Republican challenger Mitt Romney, according to a new national poll.

@@

July 3rd, 2012
8:27 am

Obama Is Already Blowing His Second Chance at Selling Health-Care Reform

The president could be convincing the public his reforms are needed. Instead, he’s trying to skirt the subject entirely.–The Atlantic

There’s a reason for that. Getting caught with his “tax down” causes him to shrivel.

From the Center

July 3rd, 2012
8:30 am

November can’t get here quick enough !!!

Kyle Wingfield

July 3rd, 2012
11:37 am

There will be no more comments on this thread. All comments on all threads will be going through moderation until further notice.

Dirty Dawg

July 3rd, 2012
11:46 am

Admittedly, Repugs have it all over the Dems when it comes to discipline and adherence to ‘the Party line’ and the ‘anointed’ talking point of the day/week/campaign, not to mention their fund raising acumen. What I want to know is just who are the men behind these cretins? After all, surely you don’t believe that dweeb Grover Norquist hasn’t been able to corral all those Repugs on his own. There’s got to be somebody, or somebodies, that he reports to. And as for the effectiveness of their propaganda machine, so was Joseph Goebbels’ – at least until it wasn’t.